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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I almost famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with our radio whoa Hey everybody, I'm Ben. Whoa boom,

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Speaker 1: I'm Ashley. Oh no, actually wait, actually try again. We

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Speaker 1: cannot start a podcast with a boom that is that's

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Speaker 1: retired and out and about sounded like that's where you

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Speaker 1: actually please, I just need to get that out of

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Speaker 1: my memory. Hi, I'm Ashley. Perfect. How about we start

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Speaker 1: talking about last night's episode. I think we have to

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Speaker 1: start off talking about Dean Um. Everybody knows them friends

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Speaker 1: with him, and I don't care, but I have to

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Speaker 1: say that there's nothing about his behavior last night that

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Speaker 1: I can defend or condone. Wow, really what about it?

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Speaker 1: I just think it was just lazy and completely insensitive

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Speaker 1: and thoughtless to be hooking up with a girl in public,

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Speaker 1: in a pool, in front of the face of the

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Speaker 1: girl who you slept with the night before. Yeah, I would.

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Speaker 1: I was. I was watching this whole episode, Ashley, and

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Speaker 1: I was jotting down my notes, which I usually do,

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Speaker 1: and I actually wrote, and I don't know how this

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Speaker 1: will come off, but I wrote, this episode of Paradise

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Speaker 1: was extra sexual, not just because of the scenes of

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Speaker 1: people looking up, but because of the the connotations and

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Speaker 1: and the verbage and the words being used to kind

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Speaker 1: of explain sex, right, I mean, through this, through this podcast,

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna talk a lot today about virgin shaming,

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Speaker 1: which is a topic that you tweet out about, um

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Speaker 1: about the same thing you just talked about, how Dean

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Speaker 1: hooked up with a girl right after hooking up with

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Speaker 1: Christina and how that fits in the paradise and is

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Speaker 1: that acceptable in paradise? Is totally non acceptable in paradise?

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Speaker 1: Um or not? I mean, there's a there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of themes going on in this episode that I thought

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Speaker 1: really stood out to me, and Dean's was definitely one

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Speaker 1: of the ones that was hardest for me to watch,

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Speaker 1: not only because they black boxed his crotch the whole episode.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the guy was a tent. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: seemed like every time I'd see the guy, it was

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Speaker 1: black box. I didn't notice, howther than that one time

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Speaker 1: where they woke up in the boom boom room. No.

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Speaker 1: I mean because then at the very end of the episode,

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Speaker 1: Member that she like truth or dared him. Oh, the

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Speaker 1: one that she was trying. Yeah. Monday Nights episode she

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Speaker 1: truth or dared him and she said I truth or

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Speaker 1: dare you something, and then they bleeped it out and

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Speaker 1: the next thing you know, he's closing his eyes thinking

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Speaker 1: about dirty thoughts. So he can you know? Yeah it? Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, actually, you'll be able to answer this better

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Speaker 1: than I can. Is it acceptable in paradise? Uh, let's

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Speaker 1: take maybe sex out of the equation for a second. Here.

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Speaker 1: To hook up with somebody, so you're making out with

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Speaker 1: with somebody else in front of that person. Is that

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Speaker 1: an acceptable act in paradise? I wouldn't think that's an

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Speaker 1: acceptable will act any air in life? I would agree,

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Speaker 1: But Paradise is different, right, I mean, you are there

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Speaker 1: to meet somebody, and there are multiple people to meet

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Speaker 1: at once. I'm not claiming it's okay. I'm just asking

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Speaker 1: or does paradise still hold the same standards we should

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Speaker 1: be held to in life. I guess that I'd be

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Speaker 1: hypocritical and saying that's not okay. Considering on the Bachelor

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Speaker 1: of the Bachelorette, the bachelor of the bachelorette is going

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Speaker 1: you know, or during group dates. Like that's just something

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Speaker 1: that we've become accustomed to. Um in Paradise. If they

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Speaker 1: I mean, and and let's let's make this clear. Actually

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Speaker 1: and I both like Dean. We both know that Dean

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Speaker 1: is young, but that's not an excuse for this behavior.

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Speaker 1: It's not an excuse because a lot of guys have

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Speaker 1: insensitively exactly. So for this, for this topic, we are

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Speaker 1: not condoning things behavior. We actually, if he was on here,

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Speaker 1: but we do have to criticize the situation. And it

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Speaker 1: on from that situation. You have to handle that maturely.

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Speaker 1: I believe personally, as a man, you need to confront

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Speaker 1: So when he keeps asking Christina for patients, my interpretation

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Speaker 1: an edit? No, that wasn't even an edit. It couldn't

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Speaker 1: the sea she was sitting on. I was gonna say,

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Speaker 1: But no, you're right, I mean, I don't understand what mind,

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Speaker 1: Like how drunk. Are you to like not realize how

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Speaker 1: Christina's hurt, right, I mean, she's obviously hurt. She she

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Speaker 1: has strong feelings for Dean. I think Dean did say

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Speaker 1: Um if he finds himself Okay, say this is the

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Speaker 1: situation that played out, he ends up sleeping with Christina. Okay,

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Speaker 1: How should Dean have handled it? To be in the

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Speaker 1: most mature way for us to forgive him, move forward,

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Speaker 1: with people by saying, UM, I like you, but you're

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Speaker 1: I know you're not my forever person and right now

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Speaker 1: when you're from what you're saying and we talked about

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Speaker 1: how some people can get away with doing everything and

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Speaker 1: scanning through emails all week reeting these these responses, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of the responses were explaining the situation with

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Speaker 1: you're the best. Um, all right, so tickle monster, be

426
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 1: honest with me, all right. Have you, at any moment

427
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 1: do you feel like landed um somebody of the opposite

428
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 1: sex because of your tickling habits like a post show.

429
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 1: Have you ever been asked to tickle somebody and later

430
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: that night ended up kissing them because of my like

431
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,679
Speaker 1: how good I am at tickling, or just because of

432
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 1: being the tickle monster both? Um? I think yeah, definitely.

433
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 1: There's been a few people who are based on being

434
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 1: the tickle monster and being on the show. Definitely have,

435
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 1: you know, just kind of, like you say, people after

436
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 1: you just because of the doctor thing. And obviously I've

437
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 1: had people come up to me just because of being

438
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,120
Speaker 1: on the show and being Sickle Monster. But I haven't

439
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 1: like converted anyone that's like, oh, I'm not really sure

440
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 1: about this tickling thing, and then I tickled them and

441
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, I don't know now I kind of

442
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 1: like this. So you're saying I've converted to tickling. Yet

443
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: you're saying that there are Tickle Monster groupies out there

444
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean, and I get a lot of hate.

445
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 1: Are you taking advantage of the groupies? I wouldn't say

446
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 1: taking advantage of it. I'm embracing and I'm I know

447
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: means like manipulating anyone or taking advantage of anyone or

448
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: using it to my advantage. Alright, I don't think you

449
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 1: would be. It doesn't really seem like you and watching

450
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 1: last nights watching this week's episode, it was really clear

451
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: that people really enjoy you from the franchise that have

452
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 1: met you and been around you in person. Uh, to

453
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 1: get to the show a little bit, because you know,

454
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 1: I could go on and on about this this weird

455
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 1: fetish with tickling, but we gotta move on. Okay, it's

456
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 1: a habit. Um, so the habit of tickling. You show

457
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 1: up to Paradise late. Is it weird to kind of

458
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 1: enter into Paradise super late in the process. Yeah, it's

459
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: a it's a little it's a little different. I mean,

460
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: you you're definitely coming up with the card stacked against you,

461
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 1: you know, but I'll feel battle. You've got a lot

462
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: of work to do. It's it's not like you've just

463
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: got an open table. I mean, I have a date car,

464
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: but still, um, you know, at this point in the game,

465
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people are starting to have relationships and

466
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: had already kind of made connections, So you gonna have

467
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: to really find something one that was really wanting you,

468
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: or you know, just kind of look for someone who

469
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: hasn't found someone already. I mean, and then we're gonna

470
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: do we don't like the character bash on this episode

471
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: or on this podcast. It's not it's not our game.

472
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: So I really don't want this to happen here. But

473
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 1: what's your thoughts on Jack Stone? I was mad at

474
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: him last night. I mean, you go on this great day,

475
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 1: you seem like a great guy. Um, this girl's into you.

476
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: You come back and within five minutes, you know, jack

477
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: Stone is pulling her aside and then kissing her in

478
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 1: front of you. I'm not a fan of it. I

479
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,959
Speaker 1: was upset with him. I was I was on team Tickle.

480
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: Please explain your thoughts on jack Stone right now. Jack

481
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: Stone and I are like best friends, which is what

482
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: makes the whole thing like so awkward. It's like we're

483
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: practically like roommates um finding over the same girl and paradise,

484
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: and so, you know, I think we kind of had

485
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: the same idea. You watch jack and he sees me

486
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 1: and he's like, what's the christ Jonathan doing this my girl?

487
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: And then on a come back and I'm like, what

488
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: jack doing kiss to my girl? So you know, we definitely,

489
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: you know, create a little controversy there. But but I

490
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: do like jack Stone. We're pretty pretty close. Well, I'm

491
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: not a I'm not a Jackstone fan right now. I'm

492
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: on your team. Until he handles the situation better, I'm

493
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: not gonna not gonna support it. Maybe do it. I

494
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: think we can roll our last question for Tickle Monster

495
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: into our next segment. Did the fact that Kristen Kristen

496
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: right it's spelled Christine, but we'll go with Kristen. She

497
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: it's Kristen, right, Kristen? All right? Um, she thinks that

498
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: she's the virgin in Paradise, like l L you guys,

499
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 1: that's my title. She could try, but um, how did

500
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: you feel about going on a date with a virgin?

501
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: Is that turn off or turn on? No? I had

502
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 1: no no idea going on going into it. And then

503
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: I don't even remember how that came up. It was

504
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: like later or whatever I'm thing, and someone's like, do

505
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 1: you want to date with the perchin? And I was

506
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: like what I mean? It by no means changed my

507
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: impression of her change nothing, But um, I was just

508
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: I had no idea. So everything you saw me doing, everything,

509
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: the way I acted was just totally, um, non judgmental

510
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: at all. Yeah, I mean, um, do you feel like,

511
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 1: you know, Tickle, I want to hear your thoughts here.

512
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: Do you feel like Jasmine was extra mean during this

513
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: these couple of days a year in Paradise? She said,

514
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: no one wants to hang out with a virgin. Pina Colada,

515
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: I was personally victimized. Um. I think Jasmine is a

516
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: very outspoken woman and when she thinks something. She doesn't

517
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: even think about it. She just says that. She says

518
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: what's on her mind, what's on her heart, and sometimes

519
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: that's not what people want to hear. So I think

520
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: I think Jasmin was Jasmine. I uh, you know, I don't.

521
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Speaker 1: And we'll roll this into the next segment here because

522
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: I think it's a topic we need to talk about.

523
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: But um, I don't really appreciate Jasmine's reaction to things

524
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: where she quickly pushes people away. In fact, she made

525
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: the comment last night at some point like all right, done, cook, bake,

526
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,639
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527
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Speaker 1: slash almost famous. Thank you Jonathan for coming on the

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Speaker 1: Almost Famous podcast today. We appreciate you. I'm not kidding.

570
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: Uh you're you're tickling did creep me out? But you're

571
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: not a creepy man. I hope to meet you one day. Uh.

572
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Speaker 1: Continue doing great things um in the area of this

573
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Speaker 1: There you go. Alright, guys, let's get to the callers.

575
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Speaker 1: We asked them about their thoughts on Jasmine, whether she

576
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: was too mean to Kristen. Do you means Matt. Let's

577
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: see what they gotta say. First, We're going to Caitlin

578
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. Hey, Caitlin, Hey, how are you? Hey? Good?

579
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: How are you? I'm great? What do you think about Jasmine? Okay,

580
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. Honestly, I think she's a little harsh

581
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: um the whole Kristen saying. I think the she came

582
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: on to Kristen way like too strong, Like I feel

583
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: like she already had a bad taste in her mouth,

584
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: and it's like, honestly, it's not like her and Kristen

585
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: we're friends prior to the show. So the fact that

586
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: Kristin wanted to take Mad on a date, I feel

587
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: like she should have been more mad at Matt rather

588
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: than like making Kristen feel like terrible about herself. That's

589
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: a really good point. Did did Jasmine mentioned into Christen

590
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: at all um during that break that she was into Matt?

591
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: I forget? I feel like this rings a bell. Well,

592
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: I mean, when Kristen came in jasm and was like, yeah,

593
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: so mass off the hook, like he's not available. But

594
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: then Kristen took Mad aside and she asked him and

595
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: he said, oh, she said I wasn't available, Like that's

596
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: not true. I'm still like looking to date. Yeah, well

597
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: that's all Mad. Then you know Jasmine can't get annoyed

598
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: at her for it. Yeah, there's also like you didn't

599
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: really established, like they weren't actually in a relationship like

600
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: Taylor and Derek are. So this whole thing confused me.

601
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: I mean I almost called Ashley last night, Caitlin, because

602
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: I'm not understanding this whole Bachelor in Paradise deal, right,

603
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you're dating so many people, and there's so

604
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: many options, there's new people coming in every day. Like, where,

605
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: how do you define the relationship in paradise, Caitlin. I

606
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: want to hear your thoughts first on how you define

607
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: the relationship when you're in paradise, and then I guess

608
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: Ashley can be our expertum giving us this advice. I

609
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: don't know, honestly, I'm with you then, like it all

610
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: kind of confuses me. I actually I was gone last

611
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: night at the concert, so I just watched the DVR

612
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: of last night, so it's like fresh in my head.

613
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: But um, I don't know. I think the whole thing

614
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: is weird because you go in and like, you know,

615
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna be dating everyone, and it's not like I mean, yeah,

616
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: there are some sailors relationships that come out of it,

617
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: but I feel like you have to kind of go

618
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: into it with an open mind, like kind of expecting anything. Actually,

619
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: we got to hear your thoughts. You're the expert here. Yeah,

620
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: I want to hear you. I think when it comes

621
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Speaker 1: to defining the relationship in Paradise, it's very similar to

622
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: how it is in the in the real world. I

623
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: think that you probably tell each other like, hey, I'm

624
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: not going to be dating anyone else, and they're like,

625
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: oh great, because I'm not interested in that either. That's

626
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: just how it goes. And if you don't have that conversation,

627
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure everybody's free reign right eight. And I

628
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: think where Jasm and that kind of where at fault

629
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: because they didn't really have that disgustion where it was

630
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Speaker 1: like I think Jasmine went into thinking, Okay, it's just

631
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Speaker 1: Matt and me, but like Matt never said that she

632
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: was he was only going to date Jasmin. You know,

633
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: I guess it's gonna be mutual. I have you know. Yeah,

634
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: as much as I would have liked to, as I

635
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: said on the show, once claim my stake, you can't

636
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: do it unless the other person's all into you know,

637
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: Caitlin before we move on, because we're gonna have to

638
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: take some other callers here. But I think you seem

639
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: to have a pretty good perspective on this, and Ashley

640
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: definitely does. I've got to hear talk about it for

641
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: the last many weeks. Um. One thing that really frustrates

642
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: me and this whole thing around Jasmine, right, was she

643
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: too mean or two nice? I think she was too mean.

644
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: She cut people off too quickly. I think she she

645
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: discounted people, which I don't appreciate. But then she did

646
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: something that I don't know if most people kind of

647
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: catch onto, but it really frustrates me, and I want

648
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: to hear if I'm just crazy, or if I'm complete

649
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: pletely alone, or if everybody agrees with me. And it's

650
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: this idea that once Matt left, then she makes the

651
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: comment I'm just trying to get the rose, which kind

652
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: of makes me cringe every time I hear anyway because

653
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: it's it just doesn't have a lot of significance in life.

654
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: But it is almost this manipulation process where you're you're

655
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: trying to attack the weakest person out there, the one

656
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: person that's loneliest, and make them like you at least

657
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: for that moment, so that they feel like they have

658
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: a chance and they want to give you a rose.

659
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 1: If that makes me mad, like in those moments, everybody

660
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: should be getting mad at those people. Yeah, I agree

661
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: with that. This season seems to be all about getting

662
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: the rose when there's really no connections being made. And

663
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: then I think when Matt swoop in, like he left

664
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: and then Dad's Jason was like, I'm not getting the

665
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: rose now, and then he came back to give dads

666
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: in that rose. I thought that was a super kind gesture,

667
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: and Jasmine kinda was just she was still set with him,

668
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: but like he went to extra mile to come in

669
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: and save her so that she had a chance with

670
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: somebody else. I he just wouldn't give him the benefit. Yeah,

671
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: that was lame. The way she acted. I thought she

672
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: was going to be I thought she was gonna be

673
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: very grateful and relieved at that moment, But she wasn't yeah,

674
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: because everyone was like spooning and then she just wasn't

675
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: having it. Um, you know, so ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. It

676
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: makes me fired up. So with that caitle, we're going

677
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: to send you off to go punch a wall. All right,

678
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: I'll go. Thanks for joining us, Thank you. We're going

679
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: to move on to Tweety in Florida, who has the

680
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: opposite opinion. She thinks Jasmine's being too nice. Hey lady,

681
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: how you doing. I'm doing well. How are you good?

682
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: Why do you think she's being too nice? Because I

683
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: feel like Kristin definitely did it on purpose. I don't.

684
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: She kind of was acting like she was alright, alright,

685
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with you there. I actually feel

686
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: like Kristen just went in with a plan to make

687
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: out and be with anybody who would bring her along

688
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: in the process. I don't think she really had any

689
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: feelings for Matt. Yeah, I agree, she was just sabotaging. Possibly.

690
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: It's so interesting that you guys feel this way, because

691
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: I just didn't. I really watched the whole episode thinking,

692
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Jasmine maybe mean isn't the word you

693
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: want to say. She was too traumatic? Extra, Yes, Yeah,

694
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: that maybe maybe too protective of of Matt. I mean,

695
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: I just felt like he did give her signs. He

696
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: was very clear in his feelings. She could tell that

697
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: he was kind of pulling away, and she as she

698
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: kept pursuing, she just made it harder on him to

699
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: be with anybody. So he finally just had to choose

700
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: to to go out and date somebody that I don't

701
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: even know if they were that into each other. Yeah.

702
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: I don't think that Matt's really into anyone, hence why

703
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: he left. Right. That's a good point. So you both

704
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: watched last night's episode. You're thinking Jasmine was com completely

705
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: fine in her actions, there was nothing wrong with it,

706
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: and and everybody else was overacting. Yeah I do. Yeah,

707
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: I think she kept it. Yeah, tweety real? Have you

708
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: on the line. I have a question. Were you extremely

709
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: thrown off by when Derek said f you too? Oh

710
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 1: my gosh? Overlooked that properly. That showed a dark side,

711
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: and I would not have accepted his apology in that

712
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: moment because his apology didn't seem too genuine. Ben. Did

713
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: you pick up on this? Yeah? I do. I mean

714
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: you go ahead, so sorry? I um, I personally thought

715
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: maybe she should have just taken his rose and been like,

716
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: I'm done with you. Not a bad idea, Ben, Yeah,

717
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: I mean I think maybe last night was one of

718
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: the first times that I just felt like a lot

719
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: of things were going on that we're not authentic and genuine.

720
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: I mean, does that make sense? Like I just felt

721
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: like a lot of last night's episode I was watching

722
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: just kind of not being sold on the fact that

723
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: people are really out to pursue relationships and they're more

724
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: just out to either protect themselves or to keep their

725
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: eyes open for whatever. And walked down the stairs next. Honestly,

726
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 1: I think this season of Paradise has been entertaining. Um

727
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: but but loveless, you know the one. Here's here's the

728
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: topic we should talk about before we let you go here?

729
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: And I have this down in my notes, and I

730
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: was just scanning through my notes to see what else

731
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: I want to talk about on this podcast. But I'm

732
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: getting a feeling that the Amanda and Robbie situation is

733
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: similar to the Evan and Carly situation. Am I wrong

734
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: in this feeling? No, I'm kind of feeling my heart

735
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: towards these people. Okay, So what's interesting about Robbie and

736
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: Amanda is that they've both come from prior season, so

737
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 1: they've been around this a little bit more. It may

738
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: not be as like a sparkly, shiny new process for them.

739
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: They've like had the fame of it all has sunk

740
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: in a little bit, so now they're like just kind

741
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: of confiding each other there because they're on a different level,

742
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: Like they're not really in it. I don't really think

743
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: they're in it just for the fame. I think that

744
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: they actually want to find somebody. Yeah. I mean, Amanda

745
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 1: hasn't talked more than a few words all season, which

746
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: I actually find um encouraging because I think she's keeping

747
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: below the radar to possibly find somebody. She's not out

748
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: to make a name for herself anymore, right, Right, I

749
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: definitely agree. I think that she's really in it for

750
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: love and she doesn't want to move. I believe what

751
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: she says when she says she doesn't want to move

752
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: too fast, and she I think she's in it for

753
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: the right reason. Yeah, Amanda and Robbie are seeming like

754
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: to be the most genuine of this bunch. But hey, Ben,

755
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: you just kind of like breezed over that Derek thing. Well, well, honestly, um,

756
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: I kind of have opinions on that that I don't

757
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: think will be the most popular. Well why not. I

758
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: don't know why you think it was not a good deal. No,

759
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: I think it's a huge I felt like, in a sense,

760
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: he was getting bullied into a situation. Does that make sense?

761
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: Am I wrong in that? I mean, I think I

762
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: was seeing aside it's Taylor correct. So I seeing inside

763
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: of Taylor that we saw on The Bachelor condescending a therapist,

764
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, And I mean I think she's using

765
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: that therapist card to kind of say I know how

766
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: to handle this and you don't, and as a result,

767
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: you need to just follow my footsteps. And I don't

768
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: think that's fair to him. And so I watched it

769
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: and I'm not I mean, I've I've loved watching Taylor

770
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: this season. It's been a completely different person than what

771
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: we saw in The Bachelor until now. And I listened

772
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: to this conversation. I felt bad for him because he

773
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: couldn't process through his feelings, like it takes a while

774
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: to come to the right answer. Reaction is never the

775
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: right um thing in situations of arguments or disagreements, and

776
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 1: he so he didn't want to react, he was taking

777
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: his time and and well, and then I felt like

778
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: he was belittled for it. And I don't appreciate that

779
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 1: in a relationship. It not that's not a healthy habit,

780
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: I guess. And so that's my notes from last night.

781
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna really talk about it because I don't.

782
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: I guess. I'm still trying to process how I felt

783
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: about that conversation. But it was just that it was

784
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: just that one phrase, the way you said it. Yeah,

785
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: I feel like when you're in a relationship, that's not

786
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: the best. Yeah, yeah, what exactly was the phrase? I'm sorry,

787
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm totally spacing on this. I don't have in my notes.

788
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: You don't remember when he's can you believe it? When

789
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: he suddenly he was like, no, I don't remember that.

790
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 1: Definitely missed it then, because this is not a Ben

791
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: Higgins approved line. No, no, that's not fair. No, not

792
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: fair at all. Um, not good. Wish we would have

793
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: talked about it last week he was on the podcast. Um,

794
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: you know, I was cooking dinner while this is going on,

795
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: So I must have missed it. My bad. Are you

796
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: cooking your blue apron? That's cooking my blue apron Um. No,

797
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: but I still I guess even with that being said,

798
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: I kind of still stick to my opinion on their

799
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: follow up conversation was there was little belittle belittling. I

800
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: felt he was a little bullied into it. But yes,

801
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: he should definitely have apologized and felt terrible about that

802
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: comment to her. That's not That's not the right way

803
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: to talk to anybody, woman or man, in any relationship.

804
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: While I found myself to like Taylor more this season

805
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: and I think she's beautiful, um, I still would not

806
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: want her to be my therapist. I find her to

807
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: be like the worst person to talk to you about feelings. Yeah,

808
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: I mean I don't I don't know if we could

809
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: we could even remember one moment in her career on

810
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: The Bachelor that we felt like she's handled a situation well,

811
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: especially warmally normally yeah just said warmly, warmly. Yeah, Yeah,

812
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: you're right. I mean I wonder why that is. But

813
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: I mean I want to see them. I want to

814
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: see them survive. Because when we talked to him last week,

815
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: actually he really did kind of have that. I felt

816
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: like he had the feeling um in his voice when

817
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: he talked about Taylor that things were still going very well. Yeah. Yeah,

818
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: I think they probably are doing well, but we'll see. Okay,

819
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: we gotta move on though. We have way more Jasmine

820
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: to talk about. Are you are you ready? Well? Thank

821
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: you tweety for staying on the line with us for

822
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: so long and giving us so many opinions. Right now

823
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 1: we have to move on to Marie and Emma. Marie

824
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: and hey, guys, how are you're You're in Vancouver home

825
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: of Caitlin Bristow. Yeah, all right? What do you think

826
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 1: about Jasmine? Um? We thought she came out a little strong,

827
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: but it made for good to me, Like I was

828
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: waiting for her to put either christ And or Matt

829
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: in a chokey personally. But where did the word chokey

830
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: com from next season? Did you watch that? No? I'm

831
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: telling you, Ben, um Ben to inform you Jasmine was

832
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 1: known for the chokey on her season because she sometimes

833
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: likes to give guys a little choke when she's frustrated

834
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 1: with them, don't we All Yeah, she really restrained herself,

835
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: but she did jump on him, She stridled him, and

836
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 1: she made out with him right as he got home

837
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: from that date with Kristen, What did you guys think

838
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: about that? We didn't really feel like Matt was that

839
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: into her or else. I don't think he would have

840
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: said yes the other date, Like we understand that that's

841
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: the premise of the show, but I don't know. He

842
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: just didn't seen that into it. And then he died

843
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: to go home and as he kind of threw his

844
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: hand from I think she needs to read that book.

845
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: He's just not that into you. Yeah, it's also a movie.

846
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: You still watch it? Yeah, I've seen it. Just because

847
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: I've seen it doesn't mean I take its advice, but

848
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 1: I'm aware never never exactly. Um, can we backcheck a second?

849
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: So who exactly were we talking to? Are you sisters?

850
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: Best friends? Like? Who? What's good? I was gonna say,

851
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: you're giggling and laughing and like completing each other's sentences.

852
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: This is one of the cutest things I've heard time.

853
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: We spend a lot of times ago. Yeah, we're best

854
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: friend So I'm like Ashley and I complete sentences. Actually

855
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: nice special. Who would you guys want to date in

856
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: this motley group of bachelor's? Oh my god, none, they're

857
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: all done. Are actually all does? And I don't know

858
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: who they're going to pick for the next Bachelor, But

859
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: we think it should be Chris Harris. Honestly, Chris Harrison

860
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 1: for next Bachelor. Chris Harrison has a lot of following,

861
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: He's a lot of backing on this, I know, and

862
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: you should host the show. I think Ben and I

863
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: would be the best host for a Bachelor for Chris

864
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: Harrison Bachelor season. Yeah. I think it's a great. One

865
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: day when the show really jumps its final shark, that'll

866
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: be That will be what happens. Yeah, well they've maybe

867
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: season fifty. Yeah, okay, you know you know the show

868
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: is is hitting its final legs when they ask Ashley

869
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: and I to host a Chris Harrison, there's no more

870
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: going down. That's rock bottom. Before are you girls leave?

871
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: What were you saying? I think that's hitting its peak.

872
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: The show is not hitting rock bottom. Will not happen? Yeah, yeah,

873
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: we need a fresh start somehow. Anyway, you guys before

874
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: you leave, I want to go back to that question,

875
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: so you guys wouldn't want to You wouldn't dat any

876
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: of these guys because you think they're total duds. And

877
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: I have to agree. I think this would be like

878
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: the first tearless, Ashley, I season had I been on Paradise.

879
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: I don't think any of these guys are worth my tears. Yeah,

880
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: I agree with that. Honestly, we missed you on the show.

881
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 1: That's very sweet. Thank you. I count my lucky stars.

882
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: I'm not on this season. I would be Alexis. I'd

883
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 1: be like peasing out, not faking any relationship to stay around.

884
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: These guys are not worthy of me. But awesome. Yeah,

885
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: well he's awesome. Following he's uh yeah. Well, thank you

886
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: guys for your feedback. We really love Thank you for listening.

887
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Speaker 1: This is so meaningful to us. Oh yeah, thanks guys. Okay, perfect,

888
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890
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926
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Speaker 1: the this whole podcast today. Um, we've we've kind of

927
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: skipped around these big issues, right. I mean, I feel

928
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: like this week's episode of Bachelor in Paradise Not didn't

929
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: exactly bring us the content to talk for long lengths

930
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: of time in this podcast, but the underlying tones of

931
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: the episode and Karin's interview gave us some big topics

932
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: to talk about. So to close out the podcast today,

933
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna run a little longer. I hope our listeners

934
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: don't mind. Um, we have some some big topics here.

935
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk Karim, and we're gonna talk er in

936
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: with with a Collar from Amanda Um and hear her

937
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: perspective on the matter, and then we're gonna jump from

938
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: our caller uh to the topic of virgin shaming. Um.

939
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: We we've talked about virginity before on this part cast

940
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: because my co host has stayed true to her morals

941
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: and values and decided to stay a virgin up until

942
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: this point. And that's not exactly We don't want to

943
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: make this personal. We want to talk about is why

944
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: are people shaming others for the virginity? That is a

945
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: topic I'm passionate about. I know Ashley's passing about it.

946
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: Sound okay with me? Um, But before we do that,

947
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: another really big, um, kind of fiery conversation was the

948
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: situation that happened in Paradise earlier this year between Tomorrow

949
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: and Karin, and both of them now have had a

950
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: chance to talk the marrow last week. What you talked

951
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: about last week's podcast, Go back listen to it. It's

952
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: we go into it. This week's Karan. Right now, we

953
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: have Amanda on the line. Amanda, are you out there? Hi?

954
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: How are you guys? Good? How are you? We want

955
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: to talk a little, Karan, are you down? Yeah? I'd

956
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: but I mean I thought sorry I thought it was

957
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: interesting hearing our talk at least space of the first

958
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: time in public about what had happened. Um. Up until

959
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: that point, I had only seen like the legal statements

960
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But UM, for the most part,

961
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: I thought she was pretty genuine. I definitely felt for

962
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: her in every aspect. Uh Like, when I compared though

963
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: to when Domorio was speaking, I thought, I don't know,

964
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: if like he like rehearsed it more, if it was

965
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: like more genuine, I don't know. I don't I've never

966
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: been a situation, so I can't like judge, but he

967
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: seemed to me a little more genuine. I don't know,

968
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: what do you guys think about that. I think they

969
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: both genuinely think that it's a horrible situation that they

970
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 1: wish never happened. I feel like Karin was very genuine

971
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: last night, and UM just being apologetic towards everybody it affected,

972
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: including tomorrow. I think she feels horrible about the kind

973
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: of light that the controversy has put him in. Um.

974
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: She clarified that she was victim. She she wasn't. She

975
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: felt a victim to the media, not actually a sexual

976
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: assault victim. Yeah, I definitely got the vibe that she

977
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:06,919
Speaker 1: really wanted to clarify that that's what she meant by it. Yeah,

978
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: I can express I'm going to express the thought here

979
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: on that I don't want you to to kind of

980
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: talk about it. I wish she would have if that's

981
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: how she feels, which I don't know. I mean, I'm

982
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: not saying she does or does not. I wish you

983
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: would have clarified that. Then once that comment got released

984
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: and she saw the kind of rabbit hole it was

985
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: taking everybody down, Um, she should have came out and

986
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: said I not a victim to tomorrow. You think she

987
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 1: should have said it before yesterday. Yeah, I mean we've

988
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: we've waited months for this, and and as a result,

989
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of accusations made and and and

990
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: and things have gone gone awry. Then if that's how

991
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: she felt she should have clarified earlier. I think that, Um,

992
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: she's especially aptially. Oh no, you're breaking up. Oh sorry,

993
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: I was just saying, sorry, my connection is back. I

994
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: was just saying that, considering the legal and like the

995
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: social support that she had, whether it be from like

996
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: the Bachelor Um family or her her own family, or

997
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: just fans in general, I think that she, by all

998
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: means had like the power to come up again and

999
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: clarify statement. Yeah again, we I guess we won't know

1000
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: unless we're in that position. But um, I'm glad that

1001
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: both of them decided to talk. I think that was

1002
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: that showed a lot of character on their part to

1003
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: come out confront the situation, UM and speak openly about it,

1004
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: because you know, rumors spread, Like I said earlier, accusations

1005
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: are made. UM. At least now we've heard from both parties.

1006
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 1: And and I thought last night Karin, in my opinion,

1007
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: the whole time, I felt like she was genuine. I

1008
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: felt like she was authentic. I think she's both verge

1009
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: of tears the entire time. Yeah, I got put into

1010
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: a situation where they were, um, they weren't a spect

1011
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: to get it to. The One thing, UM that I

1012
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: will say with both parties is you can just tell

1013
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: they were ready for it to be done, Like they're

1014
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: talking about it and it's almost just like, yeah, I'm emotional.

1015
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: Yeah this has been terrible. It's a terrible, but I

1016
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: just want to be done with it. And I think

1017
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 1: that's kind of the feeling I got from Karn last night. Yeah,

1018
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: I agree There's one thing that I don't really believe

1019
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:23,240
Speaker 1: in what Karin said, and that is she's definitely warned

1020
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: of the side effects of her medication, especially about drinking

1021
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: on them. Um. She can say that she forgot or

1022
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: was never told, but you know, when you get the prescription,

1023
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 1: you're told. I'm on a prescription that I'm not allowed

1024
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: to drink on you know whatever. Iman, I get allowed

1025
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: to get sloppy on, and I was on it on

1026
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: the show, and I was warned manything, just like, but

1027
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: you have to clarify, like, I'm on one that you

1028
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: can't drink I mean you can't get sloppy on. Well

1029
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: you can't. Well they tell They would tell me, you know,

1030
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: you can't drink on it, and I'd be like, yeah,

1031
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: I mean I won't. I won't go party hard on it. Um.

1032
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: You're warned, you're warned, you know, you're discouraged against it. Um.

1033
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: Quick question. Did you guys have any inkling that she

1034
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: was on medication while also consuming alcohol in Paradise or

1035
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: you guys that was the first time you guys have

1036
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: heard that I was. I had an inkling. Oh, okay,

1037
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: we've you know, we we had when when we were

1038
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: doing like our conversations about the Bachelor in Paradise controversy. Uh,

1039
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: you know, we did have a lot of callers and

1040
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: people that we're on the show within the show calling

1041
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: in and talking to us, and that was always something

1042
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: that was kind of either brought up as more inquisitive

1043
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: like I wonder if or saying, yeah, I know, she's

1044
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: on medication. I wonder if that's what she took and

1045
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: then started drinking. So we never knew for certain, but

1046
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: we had this idea of something else was going on

1047
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: here because she was correct when she said that the

1048
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: side effects of drinking on medication like that it will

1049
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: black you out, but you'll pere lucid or as as

1050
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison said, normal Karan, which is probably like wild

1051
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 1: but also like conscious. M hmm yeah. So now and

1052
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: everything well yeah again, I mean, how crazy is it

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00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: that we're kind of wrapping up this huge controversy or

1054
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: and and very large conversation that I hope has opened

1055
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: the doors for people to talk more openly about situations

1056
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: like this, right, we know, we never want this to

1057
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: have to be hidden or people to feel shameful for

1058
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: for feelings certain ways, or if Karrent did feel like

1059
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 1: a victim. We want her to be able to express

1060
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: that so that people can come around her and love

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00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: her well. But how crazy is that The Bachelor in

1062
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: Paradise that we're now watching started with a controversy that

1063
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: that literally shook the United States. I mean, it was

1064
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 1: all over everything for so long, and now it's finally

1065
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: kind of coming to an end. The Bachelor in Paradise scandal.

1066
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: Can't come to the phone right now because sad, And

1067
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:04,919
Speaker 1: it's just crazy that what was that time? I'll go back?

1068
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: What was that? A Taylor friend to friends? Oh, I

1069
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: didn't know. I had to add a little pop culture

1070
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: reference to make this podcast as relevant as possible. Oh hey, well,

1071
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: thank you for for calling in and talking king with us.

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00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: No worries, I love you. Guys. Have listen every week,

1073
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: so keep keeping up to listen to this podcast because

1074
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: this week's podcast surprise surprise, you're on it. Ye oh nice,

1075
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: it's nice. Nice. We'll take care guys. Thanks. Thanks all right, Ashley,

1076
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: let's transition here, um into a conversation that was that

1077
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: was kind of brought up last night as you and

1078
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: I were talking and then as we watched um Bachelor

1079
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: in Paradise. Um, We've had some people right into us

1080
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: right um, kind of asking the question of what's going

1081
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: on with the virgin shaming. We don't seem to shame

1082
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: people for their actions. Their anti virgin um, which we

1083
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: shouldn't shame is never a pop, should never be done.

1084
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: But last night, and it kind of feels like this

1085
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: weird element of throughout the Bachelor franchise is being a

1086
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: virgin is always such a surprise, and then it also

1087
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: is used as for the first time last night. And

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00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: I'll talk more about this once I hear your thoughts.

1089
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: It was used as a manipulation tactic. Yeah, it definitely

1090
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,439
Speaker 1: it's it was used last night to bring another girl down,

1091
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: to make her seem less worthy of love and attention

1092
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: from men. We got an email from Laura and she

1093
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: says it seems like anytime there's a version on any

1094
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: Bachelor franchise show, they're constantly publicly criticized for that personal choice.

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00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: Recent examples when Ashley was on Bachelor in Paradise, one

1096
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: of the girls scoffed the camera by saying, what man

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00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: would want to take somebody's virginity? That's just about x um. Yes,

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00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: I remember being I remember watching that and feeling kind

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00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: of crappy, but I also knew that. Well never mind.

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00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: And now Jasmine's comments about it being ridiculous that a

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00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: man would choose Kristen because quote no one wants a

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00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: virgin peanut Colada, and he's implying that if he was

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00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: looking for a wife, he would never want that. Why

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00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: is it that sledge shaming is considered wrong, but virgin

1105
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: shaming is fine. This is a great topic. That is,

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00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: it's legit shaming. Like a lot of people tell me,

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00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: like whether it's to my face or behind my back,

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00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: that no guy is gonna be interested in me these

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00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: days because I'm twenty nine year old virgin, Like guys

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00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: don't want to quote deal with that at that age.

1111
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: And there is some matchmaker out there who was always

1112
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: talking about how I just need to get it over

1113
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: with and that nobody wants nobody wants someone like me

1114
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: right now. And I'm like, great, thank you for making

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00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: me feel super good a up my moral choice. Yeah,

1116
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: you know you've been nothing but great and honest and

1117
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: open through this podcast with kind of your situation. And

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01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: I know you know Becca has joined us earlier, and

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01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: she kind of has a very similar sort of yours.

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Speaker 1: You share your story openly, which I appreciate, um, but

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01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: for for the sake of this conversation, actually, I want

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01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: to I think it'd be interesting if you kind of

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01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: took yourself out of that, you know, if you if

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01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: you pictured yourself, if you just didn't have this personal

1125
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: opinion at it. And we looked at the situation in general,

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01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: and we said, uh, kind of like we talked about

1127
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, how difficult is it, do you

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01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: think emotionally for somebody to kind of carry um, to

1129
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: feel shameful for the action like that, to have to

1130
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: close that hide that in. I mean, Jasmine made those

1131
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: comments and and it's almost like if you are if

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Speaker 1: you are a virgin, you are less than I am,

1133
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: and and what you can bring to a man. And

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Speaker 1: I just I cringe at that because it's so untrue

1135
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: and so false. But it was how I felt after

1136
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: those comments were made last night. Yeah, I mean, I

1137
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: don't know what else to say, but that's exactly how

1138
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: she intended for that to come across, Like why would

1139
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: he want anything to do with you if you can't

1140
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 1: give him that I want to Then there was an

1141
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: interesting moment with Kristen last night though she was talking

1142
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: to Uh, was it was it Daniel? No, who was

1143
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: it Daniel? Oh? Yeah, Daniel is like a horn dog. Yeah.

1144
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: And and so I want to then kind of come

1145
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: into this conversation and quickly wrap it up because I

1146
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: don't want to spend too much time on Daniel. I

1147
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: thought it was disgusting the stuff he was saying last night.

1148
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: Daniel's Daniel's humor. It's it's not humorous right now, it's

1149
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: he's crossed the line. Last season he was funny and sarcastic,

1150
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: but I thought it seemed means spirited yesterday. Yeah, and

1151
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: it felt like he was trying really hard to be

1152
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: funny with every comment he had. He came in very confident,

1153
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: very cocky. Um. I didn't appreciate it. I thought it

1154
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: was disgusting. I don't don't think it's the way you

1155
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: speak to women. Um. But I'm trying to remember what

1156
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: conversation was exactly, but there was Kristen was was kind

1157
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: of talking and sharing her virginity, like, you know, I

1158
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: have something now one up on everybody else here, which

1159
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: I also I don't think the fair fair way to speak.

1160
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: So we have these two sides, right, you have the

1161
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 1: slut shaming, the virgin shaming, somewhere in between. We agree

1162
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: as a podcast in his host, none of that shaming

1163
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: is appropriate at any time, and it should never be

1164
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 1: used to leverage somebody's or to manipulate or leverage yourself

1165
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: on somebody else. That's just not Somebody should like you

1166
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: for who you are as a person, not what you've

1167
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: done or have to offer physically correct correct And I

1168
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: think it's a little bit strange at this point that

1169
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: the franchise is trying to like exploit the virgin like

1170
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: it's like it's a thing now, Like why do we

1171
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: even have to discuss, uh sexual history? I mean, is it?

1172
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: I guess I grew up in um small town in Diana. Uh,

1173
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: most of my friends and most of my family friends

1174
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: were a part of a great church in Warsaw, Um

1175
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, very conservative community. I know a lot of

1176
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 1: virgins that are in there, you know, late twenties, early thirties.

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01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: Is it that rare? I mean, I guess I've I've

1178
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: grown up in a world where it's not rare at all.

1179
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: I have grown up in an opposite world where before

1180
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: the show, if I was making new friends or something

1181
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: and that topic came up. Then I'd feel so weird

1182
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: to talk about it. I've never never felt comfortable talking

1183
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: about it until the show had me talk about it

1184
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: so much. And you know, it's nice that girls, uh

1185
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: who are in my boat look up to me into

1186
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: a certain way and like I make them feel normal. Yeah.

1187
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: Actually you have done UM to kind of close off

1188
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 1: this conversation. I think it's weird. It makes me feel uncomfortable.

1189
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: The shaming of of those kind of things. I don't

1190
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: get it. UM, I I can't quite wrap my head

1191
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: around how anybody UM. First off, kind of with Daniel's comments,

1192
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 1: how anybody can speak UM kind of so vulgarly and

1193
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: so demeaning towards people. UM. But actually you've done nothing

1194
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 1: but lift yourself up, lift others up in the process

1195
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: of this conversation. UM. I encourage you, I guess, to

1196
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: continue to share your story because it might be the

1197
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: only UM encouraging truth they have to this topic. And

1198
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,479
Speaker 1: we need young women and men out there to feel

1199
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: confident in the in the choices and decisions they've made. UM.

1200
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: So please with that right into the almost famous podcast. UM,

1201
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:29,439
Speaker 1: we have a great email set up they'll actually share

1202
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: in a second, um, but right in with your thoughts

1203
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: on the slight shaming, virgin shaming, kind of the shaming

1204
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 1: in general of your sexual choices and acts, um, and

1205
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 1: then how maybe if you feel comfortable enough, how that's

1206
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: affected you, we would love to hear your thoughts, um,

1207
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: And we'd love to hear your opinions. And then if

1208
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: you get a chance, uh, and you've been encouraged by

1209
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: Ashley and her story, right in and tell her. It

1210
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: means a lot to read, um, and and it keeps

1211
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: us passionate about speaking openly about our lives because if not,

1212
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: there's really no choice or point to to us being

1213
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: so transparent with you all. Yeah, Actually, what's the email

1214
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: they can write into? They can write into Ben and

1215
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: Ashley at I heeart media dot com. I get tweets

1216
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: all week long about this, so if you're listening right now,

1217
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: make sure to write it down. Ben and Ashley at

1218
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: I heeart media dot com. And yeah, like Ben was saying,

1219
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: I think, UM, a lot of people say like, thank

1220
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: you for making me feel normal, But when you email

1221
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: me and I read these emails, I'm like, well, thank

1222
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: you for making me feel like I have a little

1223
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: community of my own. That's right. Yeah, I mean exactly,

1224
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 1: We're not. You don't feel alone here, so hey, speaking

1225
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 1: not feel alone. We've asked writers and listeners to write

1226
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: into uh that same email on last week's podcast, and

1227
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: we have some great emails out there to to read

1228
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: and discuss. Actually, you want to run through this real quick. Yeah,

1229
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: let's get a little more lighthearted now. So this girl, Melissa,

1230
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 1: has two questions for us. One, when you were on

1231
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: B I P. Did you get to see your episode

1232
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: before it aired? And did all the people on the

1233
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: show get to see how they were edited before it

1234
01:05:56,120 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: goes out for the world to see. Well, Melissa, we

1235
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 1: do not. So it makes for difficult Monday and tuesdays because,

1236
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 1: especially if you're on the West Coast, you're seeing people

1237
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: react to your behavior before you're even seeing it, and

1238
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 1: it's like, oh my gosh, what do they show what's

1239
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:16,959
Speaker 1: being aired? You kind of feel defenseless in the moment

1240
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: because you know, you just you never know what they're

1241
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: going to show, and you're not always able to like

1242
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 1: talk about the full story because you know they have

1243
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 1: to crunch in the entire story into a certain number

1244
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: of hours every week, So it's it's hard to watch

1245
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: your edit before being prepared to watch it, you know

1246
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah, I mean. And let's let's be

1247
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: clearer too. We hear a lot of excuses from people

1248
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 1: on the show, like I got a terrible editor, that

1249
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: was a bad at it, and I have yet to

1250
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 1: watch um an episode or scenario that I've been a

1251
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: part of that the editing, UM was not how it

1252
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: went on. Yes, yes it's cut short, and yes there's

1253
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: things left out, but the overall tone of the conversation,

1254
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: overall tone of the situation is always UM, I would

1255
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 1: say fairly accurate. You're getting a good depiction of the

1256
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 1: events and the personality. So UM. You know, you can

1257
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 1: be nervous, and I've been nervous before for for an episode,

1258
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 1: but for the most part, if you felt like you

1259
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 1: stayed true to yourself, you're fine. You have nothing to

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Speaker 1: worry about. Um. We have another We have another email,

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Speaker 1: don't you. Yeah, I'm gonna make you feel awkward. UM,

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Speaker 1: that's my favorite. Let me please. Okay, this is from Brianna, Hi,

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Speaker 1: Benn and Ashley. I'm wondering about something that nobody ever

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Speaker 1: talks about. Why is this never brought up. I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about the fantasy suites and the women having that time

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Speaker 1: of the month talk about killing the vibe. Does this happen?

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Speaker 1: Does this happen? And what on earth do girls do

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Speaker 1: if it does happen? Especially for the lead bachelorette. I'm

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Speaker 1: assuming that most girls are on the pill or that

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Speaker 1: they just pray for good timing. What do you think?

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Speaker 1: Love you guys, Brianna? What a good question that I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I can answer. Truly, this has never

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Speaker 1: even crossed my mind. What a great question. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of a question that kind of transcends the

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Speaker 1: bachelor reality with the real world reality, right, so that

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Speaker 1: can happen. Um, it's real life, it's the real world.

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Speaker 1: And I guess my answer would be if that was

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Speaker 1: the situation that existed. First off, we've been very clear

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Speaker 1: the fantasy suite doesn't always include sex. That's not that's

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Speaker 1: not the purpose behind the fantasy suite. So the purpose

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Speaker 1: beyond the fantasy suite is getting to know somebody better

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Speaker 1: than you did before because there's no cameras around. I

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Speaker 1: would hope. I guess in my situation as the bachelor,

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Speaker 1: UM that people felt confid enough, just be honest about

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Speaker 1: that what their situation was. Um, I mean it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's life, it's it's natural, it's the real world. Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's unfortunate. Maybe they'd be maybe embarrassed or like she said,

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Speaker 1: just a big buzz killer. But um, you still have

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Speaker 1: eight nine hours together to get to know each other,

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Speaker 1: to talk life, and that's exciting and that's really what

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Speaker 1: I was hoping the fantasy suit was not anything more

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Speaker 1: than that. Yeah, I mean, if you're really intent on

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Speaker 1: getting sexual, I would say that there's other things you

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Speaker 1: can do. And I guess some people are out there

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Speaker 1: someone that I haven't like experienced everything with. But I

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Speaker 1: don't think that's like really what's on your mind heading

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Speaker 1: into the fantasy set? I don't know, I don't know. No,

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Speaker 1: I mean you're right, I mean, if you're that, if

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Speaker 1: So with that, this has been the Almost Famous podcast.

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Speaker 1: I've been Been and I have been Ashley, and we

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