1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The very words last scene 2 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: on grainy surveillance video sends a chill down my spine. 3 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: Can you imagine a mother's fear when that is what 4 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: she learns about her girl? And I am talking about 5 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: twenty one year old Jessica. You may not have heard 6 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: her name, but you will hear it now. I mean, 7 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: see Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 8 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and Serious XM one 9 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: eleven the Triumph Channel. When I heard about this case, 10 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: I knew we had to cover it because this mom 11 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: is beside herself and when you get to know Jessica yourself, 12 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: you'll feel the same way. But first of all, I 13 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: want you to take a less said to our friend 14 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: Dave Mack at crime online dot com. Jessica, Diane van 15 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: zand Deetzel was last seen on surveillance video at an Albany, 16 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: Georgia area gas station. The last communication, however, was made 17 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: through messenger. Christina Johnson and her daughter messaged about a 18 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: week before she disappeared, but with no answer to her 19 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: follow up messages. Johnson reported the twenty one year old 20 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: missing on March first. The Lee County Sheriff's office says 21 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: the timeframe Diesel went missing is likely between February sixteenth 22 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: and March first. Police information is that the young mom 23 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: intended to visit someone living in a tent near Radium 24 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: Springs Road. Officers went there and interviewed several people, but 25 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: have not found Jessica. Where is Jessica again? I Nancy 26 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: Gracis is Fox Nation of series X twenty eleven. Thank 27 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: you for being with us, with me and All Star 28 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: panel to break you down and put it back together 29 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: again and shed light on what has become of Jessica 30 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: van zand where is she? Police convinced she is in danger? 31 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: With me, Investigator Danny all Day joining me from the 32 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: League County Sheriff's Department. Cheryl McCullum, you know her well, 33 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: founder of the Cold Case Research Institute. Doctor Bethany Marshall, 34 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: psychoanalyst to the stars, joining me out of Beverly Hills. 35 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: You can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. 36 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 1: Bobby Point Event joining me from w A. L. D 37 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: Albany News reporter. But first to a special guest joining me, 38 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: Christina Johnson. This is Jessica's mother, Miss Johnson. Thank you 39 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: for being with us. My first question to you is 40 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: when you first heard the words surveillance video. That would 41 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: scare me so much to think the last time my 42 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: daughter has been seen alive it's on surveillance video. Do 43 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: you remember when they first told you that, Yes, I actually, um, 44 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: if it was, I watched it on the LIVEPD really yeah? 45 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: And then what what? What did you observe seeing my 46 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: child walk in that store and that's the last time 47 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: she's been seen by anybody or you know, in anywhere. 48 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: My heart stops my stomach watching Its chilling. Missus Johnson, 49 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: When you were watching her on the surveillance video, did 50 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: she seem to be concerned? Was she acting like herself? 51 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: Was there anything unusual about her appearance? You know? Um, No, 52 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: I didn't notice anything unusual. She just you know, just 53 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: walked casually walked in the store. I watched it over 54 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: and over. Yeah, she didn't seem under the rest. What 55 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: was she wearing? May I asked? It was a like 56 00:03:55,040 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: a a Nike shirt and or give me my mine's 57 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: not um working too well right now? It's like a 58 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: teal green uh huh. Nike shirt uh huh with a 59 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: swoosh on the front right, and it's some kind of 60 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: a dark pants. Was it a short sleeve long sleeve shirt? 61 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 1: Short sleeve short sleeve and short or long pants? Um, 62 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: they're kind of they looked to me like maybe met 63 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: kaffer or to the ankle almost kind of like kind 64 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: of like a free and was her hair up or 65 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: down up up in like a ball on her head? 66 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: Do you know what time of the day or night 67 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: that surveillance video was taken? You know, I think it 68 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,559 Speaker 1: was early early morning, like an am, like before six am. 69 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: Now why would she have been at a gas station 70 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: before six am or at six am? I don't know. 71 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: Was she getting gas or was she going in for 72 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: coffee or something else? And she tried to make a 73 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: purchase with her her fist damp card. And was she 74 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: in a vehicle or did she walk? We I know 75 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: from what I can tell. Um, well, actually I just 76 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: I can't tell. I can't tell if she was walking, 77 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: did she have a vehicle? Num? Was anyone with her? Well, 78 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: you know there was somebody actually that you can see 79 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: a hand on the door that was holding the door 80 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: aping for her. But that's how you can think. That 81 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: tells me it was most likely a man. So you 82 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: can see a handage on the hand. What tattoos on 83 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: the hand? Really? Can you make out what kind of 84 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: tattoo it looks like letters, letters on the back of 85 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: the palm or the back of the fingers. It looks 86 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: like on the top of the hand, on top of 87 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: the fingers, fingers light near the nail, light near the 88 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: like in between the knuckle and the not the not 89 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: the nail though, got you between the nail and the knuckle, 90 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: Not between the nail knuckle, between the knuckle and the hand, 91 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: Ye got it? Like when you make a fist, that's 92 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: where you would see it. So letters right there. That's 93 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: that's very significant in my mind. Could you make it 94 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: so again? That sounds like a man to me? Could 95 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: you make out if he was white, black, Hispanic, Asian? 96 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: Anything like that? Right? White guys speaking with me right now? 97 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: Is the mother of a missing girl, Jessica van Zimpe. 98 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: Her mother, Christina Johnson, is with me begging for your help. 99 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: Tip line two two nine four three six tips That 100 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: translates to two two nine four three six eight four 101 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: seven seven or two two nine seven to five nine 102 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: six zero three four repeat two two nine seven five 103 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: nine six zero three four two two nine seven five 104 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: nine six zero three four that's the number to call. 105 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna circle back to miss Johnson in just one moment, 106 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: but now to Bobby point Event w A l D Albany. Bobby, 107 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: let's just start at the beginning. When did Jessica go? 108 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: When was she last seen by a human not a 109 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: video surveillance. So we've had different reports from different law 110 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: enforcement and I'm sure mister all Day can kind of 111 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: go into that what they saw the Sheriff's office. But 112 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: we have our last reporter that we've known of from 113 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: law enforcement is outside of a motel actually, and that 114 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: was sometime at the end of February. We have both 115 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: the Lee County Shares Office telling us that as well 116 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: as Okaya, pause, mister point Event. Let me ask you 117 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: a couple of questions right there last saying standing near 118 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: a motel. Do we have a description of what she 119 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: was wearing, who she was with, possible vehicle morning, noon 120 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: or night, and her demeanor any of that. We don't 121 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: have much information about that. We just according to the APD. 122 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: According to Albany Police, she willingly got into a vehicle 123 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: outside of the Luxury Inn which is located in all video. 124 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: And that's that's about all the information that we know. 125 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, do you know what kind of vehicle? Bobby, No, ma'am. Okay, 126 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: let me go straight to investigator Danny old Day joining 127 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: us from the Sheriff's department there in Lee County. Investigator 128 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: all Day, thank you for being with us. What can 129 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: you tell me about that signing of her at the 130 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: Luxury Inn? So through our investigation we have not found 131 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: any evidence to hold that reliable. Is there any surveillance 132 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,559 Speaker 1: video there? No, ma'am, we do not have any surveillance video. 133 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 1: Do they have it? Do they have it at the 134 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: Luxury Inn? I'm not aware of any at this time. 135 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: To the mom, Christina Johnson, have you been to the 136 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: luxury in? Have you noticed if there's surveillance video or not? 137 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: Because I find it really hard to believe they don't 138 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: at least have it where you check in. Actually, when 139 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: that was reported, it was a third party pit and 140 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: later on that evening it actually somebody took a picture 141 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: of the women and the and it was confirmed that 142 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: was not my daughter, it was some other female. Well, 143 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: no wonder, no wonder, Bobby point event and investigator all day. 144 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: It can't be confirmed because it was a different woman. 145 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: So to hey with the video, it's not her. Oh 146 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: Man time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, for those of 147 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: you just joining us, we are on the search for 148 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: a beautiful young girl that will strike terror into every 149 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: mother and father's heart that hears this. This twenty one 150 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: year old girl, Jessica van Zand last thing we know 151 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: for sure at a gas station. She walks in to 152 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: buy something in the gas station, like a quick stop, 153 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: and you see a male hand opened the door for her. 154 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: That's all you can see in the video. And on 155 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: that hand are letters across the knuckle closest to the hand. Okay, 156 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like it at all. 157 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: And the fact that the mother I think I would 158 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: remember knuckle tattoos right there. Okay, I would remember that. 159 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: I mean Cheryl will Collin, director of the Cole case 160 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: Ree Search Institute. That's the kind of thing that sticks 161 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: in your mind. Nancy, here's the biggest issue I have 162 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: with this whole situation right now. You and I from 163 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: Jump Street would start working on the timeline anytime we 164 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: had a cake. We don't have a qualified timeline. At 165 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: this point, we do not know the last person she 166 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: was with. We don't know where she was or what 167 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: she was walking or in a car or with somebody. 168 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 1: We don't know for sure what she was wearing because 169 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: we don't know for sure what day she even went missing. 170 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: You know what, Cheryl, You know you and I go 171 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: way way back to a crime scene in their early 172 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: morning hours. Oh yes, at a dope scene. But Cheryl, 173 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,719 Speaker 1: you know what I don't like. I don't like when 174 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: somebody tells me what's wrong. I don't like that. I 175 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 1: don't want to hear while we can't create a timeline, 176 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 1: I want to hear what we do have and then 177 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: we'll jump off from there. So Cheryl, give me some 178 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: good news. I know we've got the video, so we've 179 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: got that day. But Cheryl, do you think there is 180 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 1: any other day before or after that is incredible sighting 181 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: that we can use to help find this girl. The 182 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: day that she reached out to her mom on Facebook 183 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: mentioner is solid. The day that she walked into that 184 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: grocery store is solid. Okay were they the same day? Cheryl? No? Okay, 185 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: what's the most recent day she's alive after Christina Johnson, 186 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: Jessica's mom. What date did you get the message from her? 187 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 1: But actually that was around the thirteenth was the lifetime 188 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: she'd seen a message, you know. Actually the February fourth 189 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 1: was the lifetime sheehind I she and I had come 190 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 1: first messenger. That was my reassurance that I know that 191 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: February eighteenth was the last time that she had any 192 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: kind of conversation with anyone. Who did she speak with too? 193 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: Im February eighteen, The last person I could tell was 194 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: a young man named Mitch Glaser. Okay, Mick or Mitch 195 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: Mitch m I tc H last name Glaser E L 196 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: A U S I E R. Blosser. Okay, And let 197 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: me ask you about the content of that messagary, what 198 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: are you are you using text? But how are you messaging? It? 199 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: Was messenger? Her messenger? And is she using her phone 200 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: to do that? I know she didn't have a phone. 201 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:50,599 Speaker 1: I don't know whose phone that she was using. Okay, 202 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,719 Speaker 1: quick quick question to investigate her all day? And I 203 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: hear Miss Johnson, the frustration of your voice. I hear it. 204 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: I hear your voice cracking, and I would be doing 205 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: this same thing. Investigator Danny all day with me from 206 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: the Lead County Sheriff's Department. Investigator. That message that she 207 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: sent to Mitch blauser, Are you familiar with it? I am, yes, ma'am. 208 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: What was she saying? Was she upset? So she was 209 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: talking to numerous people on the eighteenth, but no, ma'am 210 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: with Mitch Poshner and doesn't appear she was upset. She 211 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: was indicating to him where she was. Where was she? 212 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: So right now we have basically she was at the 213 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: local motel, the Deep South Motel in Albanny, Georgia. Now, okay, 214 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: thank you, Now we're getting somewhere. So have you looked 215 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 1: at the content of that text, investigator all day? Yes? Okay, 216 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: And you know to you Christina Johnson, Jessica's mother, when 217 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: you last heard from her, and that was on FIB four, 218 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: what did she say? Why was she messaging you? What 219 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: did she want? She just simply asked if I had 220 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: gotten any mail here at my house for her. That 221 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 1: sounds pretty normal, I mean to you, doctor Bethany Marshall 222 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: around Psychoanen's joining me out of Beverly Hills, Doctor Bethany, 223 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 1: when you have a faked message, for instance, someone abducts you, 224 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 1: all right, and they're sending fake messages to make it 225 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: appear that everything is okay. Like, let's just say, Bethany, 226 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: I abduct you, I'm holding you captive, and I get 227 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: your phone, I force you to give me your password, 228 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: and I start sending people message that I find in 229 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: your contacts or I use your last known text, and 230 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: I send these people messages to suggest you're okay. Hey, 231 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: did you get an email from me? It's not that 232 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: kind of message that tells me by the content of 233 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: that message she was alive and well on February four. 234 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: Would you agree or disagree? Agree? That is an authentic 235 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: message from a daughter to a mother with deep, great familiarity. 236 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: The daughter is dependent on her mother, has a relationship 237 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: with her mother, loves her mother, needs something from her mother, 238 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: and she DMS her. So no, this is not some 239 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: perp who took her phone. And back to you, Investigator Danny. 240 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: All day again, Investigator, thank you for being with us. 241 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: I know you have business to attend to today and 242 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: I appreciate you being with us in the search for 243 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: Jessica van Zant. Investigator. Let's fast forward to fib eighteen. 244 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: She texted multiple people that day. I'm saying text message, 245 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: can you trace whose phone she was using? Wouldn't it 246 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: pop up on the recipient's phone? Yes, ma'am. We have 247 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: actually conducted approximately eighteen search warrants and we have located 248 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: the last known phones she used to communicate with. Who 249 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: was it? It's a person of interest being very uncooperative 250 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: with us at the time, So okay, I don't like 251 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: that one bit. Yes, he assaulted an attorney. He has 252 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: not come forward to provide any additional information to help 253 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: us find Jessica. How did you manage to Did you 254 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: get a look at his phone? We did? How'd you 255 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: do that? Did you have a warrant or did he 256 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: just hand it to you? So we executed a search 257 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: warrant as vents, and we also obtained a search warrant 258 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: for his electronic device devices. Does that mean cell phone 259 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: and computer or just cell phone, cell phone, computer, any 260 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: type of external hard jobs. Do you believe Danny all 261 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: Day that she was in that location on February eighteen, Yes, ma'am. 262 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: We can say accurately that she was at Deep South 263 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: Motel on February eighteenth. Guys, we are talking about the 264 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: disappearance of a young girl Bobby point ofment with me 265 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: w A L. D Albany. Bobby, So that moves me 266 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: for from February four to February eighteen, based on multiple 267 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: messages that day and the content the content of those messages, 268 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: we know she was alive that day, but we're two 269 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: months late, Bobby in your sources, guys, Bobby point ofment 270 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: joining me w A L. D Albany from your sources, 271 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: can you place her alive after eighteen? You know, it's 272 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: interesting we haven't had any lucky either placing her alive 273 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: or are kind any any kind of way you know, 274 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: she's kind of gone off the face of the map 275 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: is the way a lot of sources have been telling me, 276 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: and again my source, so a lot of with the investigators, 277 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: and I've kept in contact ago with missus Christina Johnson. 278 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 1: So you know, it's just she just kind of went 279 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: flat off the map around those dates. Crime stories with 280 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about the disappearance of a 281 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: twenty one year old girl last seeing that we know 282 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: of at a local gas station heading in to get 283 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: what coffee, gum, a snack. We don't know. We do 284 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: know that a mail hand opened the door for her. 285 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Bobby point Event at 286 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: w a LB News. Christina Johnson wakes up every day 287 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: thinking of her missing child, twenty one year old Jessica Dietzel. 288 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: Oh my eyes, and I know that it's another day 289 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: and it's for real and this is really happening. I say, God, 290 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: please help me. It's Jessica Dietzel went missing in February. 291 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: Her mother, Christina Johnson, tells me she is not sure 292 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: where her daughter is now or what happened to her. 293 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: She tells me she has not stopped searching for answers 294 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: and is grateful that community hasn't either. Gentlemen, offer to 295 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: scoot out today and they're actually down there recreationally. I 296 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: do it well. Horse can't describe the feeling of gratitude. 297 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: And the community don't care so much. It's been almost 298 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: two months since Jessica went missing. Dropped off them that out. Guys, 299 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: you were hearing our friend Bobby Poutiment speaking to Christina Johnson. 300 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: This is Jessica's mom. But now take a listen again 301 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,959 Speaker 1: to our friend at w a LB. Multiple agencies, including 302 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: the Lee County Sheriff's Office, the Dougherty County Sheriff's Office 303 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: and Albany Police are looking into Jessica's disappearance. When it 304 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: comes to Jessica's case, Christina has always had confidence in 305 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: both the Lee and Dougherty County Sheriff's Office, but not 306 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: with Albany Police. My frustration is that from the beginning, 307 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: I felt like they took it. They had taken it 308 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: too night only. There's lots of speculation from the community 309 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: on why Jessica went missing. Those people that are reported 310 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: missing or whatever might have in the email somebody's dollar son. 311 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: Don't matter what they're doing, what they're out there involved in, 312 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: whoever is. They're human beings. Recently, video conversations have surface, 313 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: leading to possible information in Jessica's case. I take everything seriously. 314 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: I'm everything I'm getting. I'm still I'm getting. I won't it. 315 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: I want any information, send it, send it, Send it. 316 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: The tip line is two two nine seven to five 317 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: nine six zero three four repeat two two nine seven 318 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: five nine six zero three four two two nine seven 319 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: five of nine six zero three four. That's the number 320 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: to call Miss Johnson. I heard a baby in the background. 321 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: Is that Jessica's baby? Yes? Nancy, do you have her baby? 322 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 1: I do tell me about the baby. She turned three 323 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: years of March first, and Tisa absolute princess Lee. We 324 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: call her baby Cakes. Does she has she asked about 325 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: her mom? No, she has not, you know, asked about 326 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: a poor thing. Yea three years old. Guys, I'm taking 327 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: a look at Jessica right now and she's just absolutely beautiful. 328 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: And I don't like that it is being alleged the 329 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 1: police took the case too lightly, Cheryl McCallum, Director Cold 330 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: Case Research Institute. Very often police believe, and very often 331 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: they're right that the person has heard back home to mommy. 332 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: But that's not always true, Cheryl, Well, I don't think 333 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: it's really true here, Nancy. She would not admiss that 334 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: baby his third birthday party on March first. She wouldn't 335 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: have done that. The other thing that concerns me is 336 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: you've got somebody that's lawyered up. Now here's the reality 337 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: of this thing. Albany is a hot spot for this pandemic, 338 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: this COVID nineteen, so people are sheltering in place. His 339 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: cell phone is going to be a money tree because 340 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: if he does not have a job where he is essential, 341 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: he shouldn't have been going anywhere on February eighteenth, But 342 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm saying on February eighteenth, he could have 343 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: and I'm saying now so whatever his movements have been 344 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: are going to be critical for law enforcement. If something 345 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: bad has happened to Jessica and his phone hit somewhere 346 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: where he knows, where he hunts, where he fishes and 347 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: out of the way spot peek and orchard, there's gonna 348 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: be a place where he goes where he feels very comfortable, 349 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: that is secluded, and that's where Detective all Day needs 350 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: to concentrate. Two. Detective all Day, he's joining us in 351 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: Old Daily County Sheriff's Office. Investigator all Day, question about 352 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: your POI person of interest phone? Has it been pinged? 353 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: Have the movements of the phone around the time of 354 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: February eighteenth been looked at? So, Nancy, we do have 355 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: those records. We are going through those records. We have 356 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: a tame location tings from his phone, and we are 357 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: we currently have investigators driving around each location that he visited. 358 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: You know, that's really interesting, Investigator all Day, that you 359 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: guys have already done that. I mean to try to 360 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 1: get phone records from a phone company. It's like pulling 361 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: a tooth. Even with a subpoena, it takes them forever. 362 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: But we are now going on February to March, March 363 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: to April. Two months it's Jessica went and missing, and 364 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: now the sheriffs are out trying to follow those pings 365 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: once they've been triangulated. You know, I want to go 366 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: to doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalysts joining me. Why is it? 367 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: And I always use this because it's such a great 368 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,719 Speaker 1: example of Scott Peterson when he murdered his wife Lacy 369 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: and her unborn child, Connor. He didn't go to someplace 370 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: he had never been. He went to a place he 371 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: knew very well. He was a fisherman. He went out 372 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: to San Francisco Bay where he had fished many, many times, 373 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: countless times, and disposed of her body. Why is it? 374 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: Purps always go back to places they're familiar. And this 375 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: is what I like to do with juries or anyone. 376 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: If you had to hide something, let's just pretend a body. 377 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: If you had to hide something in your own my 378 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: dog blurted out, bethany where would you go? Where would 379 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: you hide it? If you think about it. You're going 380 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: to go somewhere known to you, with which you are familiar, 381 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: a place you have frequented, or that you know. Bethany, 382 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: it's like the dog circling three times before he'll sit down. 383 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: It's like an instinct. And Nancy, think about Kathy Anthony. 384 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: You know she secreted her little girl's body basically in 385 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: our own backyard at her middle school. That's right in 386 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: the woods behind the middle school where she and her 387 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: friends would go and smoke and hang out behind the 388 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: school in that wooded area. You're absolutely right. And here's 389 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: another stat two thirds of all children who are murdered 390 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: by their parents, the bodies are disposed of within a 391 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: quarter mile of the family home. So that goes to 392 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: your theory as well, that it's always a familiar place people. Criminals, 393 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 1: when they get out of jail, where do they go. 394 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 1: They go straight to their mother's house. So you know, yes, 395 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: it's usually a place where there's great familiarity. They've been 396 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: there many, many times. And I think it's because criminals 397 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: perpetrators are very small minded. They are not imaginative. They 398 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: do not have cause and effects thinking. They never think 399 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: they're going to be caught, they don't think about going 400 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 1: outside that they're usual routines because usually Nancy, they don't 401 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 1: think they did anything wrong. They really don't. They had 402 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: can have every rationalization in the world. So they're not 403 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: going to be clever enough to drive to another state. 404 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: I mean, we do see that occasionally, where somebody goes 405 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: on some reckless creaning right to another stage. Well, we 406 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: did just see that in the Gannon Stok case. Yes, 407 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: we did, where the mother, Letitia Stock is accused with 408 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: the stepmother. Yes, stepmother, thank you for that very critical clarification. 409 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: Stepmother takes Gannon's body all the way from Colorado Springs 410 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: down to the Florida Panhandle. Yes, and that is very 411 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: few and far between. Would you agree with that investigator 412 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: Danny all Day that when you are hiding something very 413 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: rarely to purpse, travel too too far away to dispose 414 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: of something. Yeah, so I've seen that previous investigations. They 415 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: always free somewhere where they're familiar with. Like you said, 416 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: they don't believe anybody else has knowledge of that location. 417 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: Now we know that in early March, authorities conducted in 418 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: an extensive search along with volunteers in the community in 419 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: a wooded area near the Flint River, which is a 420 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: long river. It's a long body of water that stretches 421 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: through many many counties to investigator all day, what led 422 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: you to the Flint River? So we received numerous tips 423 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: that her body may have been thrown into the river, 424 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: so we conducted ground search of that area, a ground search, Yes, ma'am, 425 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: we were not able to get into the water. At 426 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: the time. We had severe flooding in our area, so 427 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: we were not able to put any resources into the water. 428 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we were looking for 429 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: Jessica van Zandt missing out of Albany, Georgia. And yes, 430 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: I know New York is Albany, Georgia. It's Albany. I 431 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to our cut seven Brett. 432 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: This is Christina Johnson and speak you to arm Chair 433 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: Detective YouTube channel. I want you to take a listen 434 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: to this. Finally she did just completely cut off from him, 435 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: and then he went on on full flesh tear her 436 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: campaign to tear her apart. You know, the terror campaign 437 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: included that hand it on Facebook? Didn't that? So yes, 438 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: taking it to social media and just oh my gosh, 439 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: and then walking into restaurants if she One time she 440 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: was in McDonald's with a friend and he walked in 441 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: air and started screaming, how you want her? Fifty dollars 442 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,719 Speaker 1: you can have her, was the names and got her 443 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: fired from her job. He when there's a restraining order 444 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: was in effect. He went across the road holler and 445 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: then screaming at her down. You know, it was just 446 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: terrible everywhere she went. She moved around a lot, and 447 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 1: she couldn't got to where she couldn't even keep a 448 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: steady place or anything, and it was just rough. He 449 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: started calling defacts on her early on te which they 450 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: came out and they went and find anything, you know, 451 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: right or wrong. It just hurts me so much. To 452 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: top it all off, she was being stought and harassed 453 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 1: by the ex Christina Johnson, this is Jessica's mother. Special 454 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: guests joining us today. How long did the ex her 455 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: ex husband terrorize her? It started, um, not too long 456 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: after they had met a lot of manipulation and stuff. 457 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: But then she you know, just couldn't absolutely taking no 458 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: more and she made a break from him. And that 459 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:38,479 Speaker 1: was i'd say about two and a half years ago, um, 460 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: two years a little maybe right up two years ago. 461 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: And then at that point he was this full force 462 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: with it. Was he still stalking her and harassing her 463 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: at the time she went missing. Well, the hard part 464 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: about it is that if she went top two and 465 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: stuff like that, then he played on her email and 466 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: she lost her father and when she was lit all 467 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: and he died in a jail. So Kenneth would say 468 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: things such as, you know, I'm just gonna go ahead 469 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: and I'll kill myself for I will end up, you know, 470 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: like your daddy. And then um, you know that our 471 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: child would just grow up without the father, and that 472 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: really played on her heart and her emotions and everything 473 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: about her life. And it was a back and forth thing. 474 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: He would grill her in and then he would treat 475 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: her this this horrible and absolutely this terrorized and the 476 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: story torment her, and then she'd be like, why did 477 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: I do this? And it was just that was it 478 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: was a constant like that to investigator Danny all day. 479 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: I assume you've looked at the X correct. Yes, man, 480 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: we have, and we're continuing to look into him. You know, 481 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, director of Cold Case Research Institute. Earlier we 482 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: heard our friend Bobby Portament, speaking with various guests joining 483 00:29:55,320 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: us in w ald Albany. And it's been argued that 484 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: her case, her disappearance, has been taken very quote lightly, 485 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: you know, Cheryl. When you have a girl, a debutante 486 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: from a prestigious family with loads of money, on her 487 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: way heading off to an Ivy League school for college, 488 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: you can't open a newspaper, you can't go online without 489 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: seeing it. That has not been the case with Jessica, 490 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: and it's so wrong. It's wrong, Nancy. And people think 491 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: they know the ending already, They think they know Jessica already, 492 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: but they don't. And the reality is, if something has 493 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: happened to her at the hands of someone else, that 494 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: means all being has got to kill amongst them, and 495 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: that should never be okay with anyone, regardless of who 496 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: the victim is. And you and I, I've had more 497 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: than one case where the victim was a hooker or 498 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: a drug addict, or somebody that was in a violent 499 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: situation and would not leave. But the reality is, you 500 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: have somebody amongst you that is a danger to everybody, 501 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: not just Jessica. You know, ser I'm gonna call them. 502 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: You could not have said it better. Won't you please 503 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: help find Jessica van Zant, her mother here begging for 504 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: your help. She has a little girl that I understand 505 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: looks exactly like Jessica, even the very same smile. We 506 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: don't want her to grow up without her mother, or 507 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: at least the knowledge of where is her mother, what 508 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: happened to her mother? And grow up thinking, doctor Bethany Marshall, 509 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: whether it's true or not that mommy just left her. 510 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: That's not what happened. That is not what happened. And 511 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: we know what children at the age of two, if 512 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: the mother dies or is removed from the child, that 513 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: that child is presposed to diabetes, heart attack, stroke throughout 514 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: the lifespan premature death. Fortunately the little girl is three, 515 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: so she's beyond that critical stage. And fortunately Elena is 516 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: with her grandmother who loves her so much. The best 517 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: predictor of good mental and physical health for a toddler 518 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: who loses the parent is that they go into another 519 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: very secure home. That is the best predictor and such 520 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: vest and he I know you're right, and thank god 521 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: Christina Johnson is taking care of the baby. But I 522 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: don't want the baby to grow up thinking she doesn't 523 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: know what happened to her mother, and did mommy just 524 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: leave one day and she's got a whole nother life 525 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: and a whole other family in some other location and 526 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: doesn't care about her the baby. I don't want that 527 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: for the baby. There is credible research in my field, 528 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: robust research that shows that if a child an adult 529 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: has a good autobiographical narrative of what happened to them 530 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: and their parents and their family and their life, it's 531 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: a predictor of good mental health. So in order, in 532 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: other words, if you're able to tell your own story, 533 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: if you know the details, if you know exactly what happened, 534 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: there's reliable information, you can cope in the face of 535 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: the known. But if little Elena doesn't know, if there 536 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: are gaps or blanks, we read into that our worst 537 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: possible fears and anxieties, and that could be to predispose 538 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: her to be very mistrustful of men and mistrustful of adults. 539 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: So the investigators are doing heroic work in trying to 540 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: bring all the details and facts to life. It's not 541 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: just for Christina the mother, it's not just for Jessica. 542 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: It's for Elena, because she does deserve to know. But 543 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: to Bobby point Ament W A. L. D Albany, Bobby, 544 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: what is the very latest and what else have you 545 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: guys been able to develop? You know, I have been 546 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: saying in constant contact with my kind text with several 547 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: different agencies that are looking into this. It's not just 548 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: Billy County Share Office, although I believe they are the 549 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: lead investigators on this case. You know, I've contacted them 550 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: several times a week getting information on what's going on. 551 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: They're still doing search warrants. That's the latest that I've 552 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: been told. And what's interesting, Nancy about this story is 553 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: that there's such a huge community response to this. I 554 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: know you guys were just mentioning that people think they 555 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 1: know Jessica. This is this is sparked a conversation unlike 556 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: any other missing person's case that we've had before. It's 557 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: it's sparked a conversation. So we're listening to the community. 558 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: We've had such a huge We get emails all the 559 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,240 Speaker 1: time about you know, let's hear some more about Jessica. 560 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: What's the latest on Jessica. So it's definitely been a 561 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,760 Speaker 1: mission of mine to constantly stay in contact with investigators 562 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: on what's going on. APD ALBNY Police Department held of 563 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: press conferences. I think about maybe two weeks ago. I've 564 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: starked to them last week quote directly from them, suspicions. 565 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: The investigation has not to any suspicions of foul play, 566 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: although they are taking this case very seriously. So that's 567 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: the latest from my contacts on what's going on. They 568 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: may say there's no foul play, Bobby point a minute, 569 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: but I can tell you this, this young girl would 570 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 1: never stay away from her own mother and her baby 571 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 1: girl for this long no way. Now you call it tomato, 572 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: I call it tomato, But this is foul play. And 573 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: we wait as this search and justice unfolds. Tiply two 574 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: two nine seven to five nine six zero three four 575 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: repeat two two nine seven five nine six zero three 576 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: four two two nine seven five nine six zero three four. 577 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: That's the number to call, Miss Johnson. Please know we 578 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 1: are staying on it and our prayers continue. Nancy Grace 579 00:35:54,920 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: Crime Story signing off, Goodbye friend, No