Speaker 1: Welcome back to just be with bethany. Uh So, do
Speaker 1: you remember the Going with Paltrow vagina scented candle? Peo
Speaker 1: believe I'm saying that out loud. Well, it's sold out
Speaker 1: really quickly. So Gwyneth Paltrow, I remember her vagina had
Speaker 1: a vagina sentence, So who's vagina? By the way, who's
Speaker 1: I want to know who's coming Gwyneth Paltrow on here
Speaker 1: so I can ask her who's vagina was the candle
Speaker 1: modeled after? And who were the vagina testers? Like who
Speaker 1: are the vain who are the people the women or
Speaker 1: men just doing all the vagina testing and mixing, because
Speaker 1: it's like mixing a fragrance, Like I like this. It
Speaker 1: has a little bit of guardinia, It has a little
Speaker 1: bit of musk, It has a little bit of patuli,
Speaker 1: it has a little So I want to know like
Speaker 1: the ten vaginas that got mixed into the Gwyneth Paltrow
Speaker 1: vagina candle. But I digress. And this candle blew up
Speaker 1: in someone's house, So I said, it's better than someone's
Speaker 1: vagina blowing up. What did the smell like all over
Speaker 1: the house? And it's so that person has to move.
Speaker 1: Now does she get Do GWYNETHA have to buy that
Speaker 1: person a new home because that person's home smells like
Speaker 1: vagina everywhere? I just want vagina. From what I understand,
Speaker 1: there are people that won't be with certain people because
Speaker 1: they don't have a pleasant smelling vagina. So I just
Speaker 1: want to know who's vagina? Is it? Anyway? Um? But
Speaker 1: all Gwyneth Paltrow, it's just amazing. Let's do the dick's
Speaker 1: dick smelling candle, next penis, the penis candle, the ass candle,
Speaker 1: the tame candle, the crack candle, the balls candle, the
Speaker 1: after sex candle. I mean, I want to be Gwyneth
Speaker 1: Paltrow when I grew up right, just fucking do anything
Speaker 1: you want. I bet you that would all work, Like
Speaker 1: all those candles just would just work. Oh, it's Gwynneth's vagina. Well,
Speaker 1: did she smell her own vagina? She does do yoga,
Speaker 1: she does work with Tracy Anderson, So maybe she's that
Speaker 1: that that um that's flexible, that she smells her own vagina.
Speaker 1: But I will say something, and all you women know
Speaker 1: your vagina doesn't smell the same every single day. Okay,
Speaker 1: it doesn't smell the same every single day. It smells
Speaker 1: different after certain activities. It smells different, uh, during that
Speaker 1: time of the month, and not your vagina doesn't smell
Speaker 1: the same all the time. And I don't I bet,
Speaker 1: I bet a fifth year old vagina. How old is Wanna?
Speaker 1: She's forty eight years old. She's a middle aged woman.
Speaker 1: And I'd like to know what a middle aged, beautiful,
Speaker 1: blonde actress slash empire owner vagina smells like. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to get the candle and then I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to smell one of Poultro's vagina and do and
Speaker 1: see if they smell the same. Because has anyone tested that? Right?
Speaker 1: Do you agree? I mean, what are the odds? What
Speaker 1: are the odds that her vagina smells like that candle? Right? Zero?
Speaker 1: So if any of you have smelled the candle, I'd
Speaker 1: like to know. So we're going to talk to Andy Cowen,
Speaker 1: who has so many job titles I don't think you
Speaker 1: would believe it. He has not only worked at CBS
Speaker 1: for ten years and was a vice president in programming
Speaker 1: and development at Bravo. He hosts Watch What Happens Live.
Speaker 1: He's won a Peabody and an Emmy, has produced dozens
Speaker 1: of television shows. He's written multiple New York Times bestsellers.
Speaker 1: He has a touring show with Anderson Cooper. He has
Speaker 1: his own imprint where he publishes other people's books, and
Speaker 1: he's hosted many different shows. And he's only just begun.
Speaker 1: And to be honest, I just think he really makes
Speaker 1: the whole thing look effortless because he's loving what he does.
Speaker 1: But he's a hard worker and he's only halfway there.
Speaker 1: He's got so much to do, so pretty amazing story.
Speaker 1: And I can't wait to talk to him in a
Speaker 1: different way about business and not just him in my backyard,
Speaker 1: which is how it usually happens. Hi, Andy, this is
Speaker 1: a flip of a switch right now, um, which I enjoy.
Speaker 1: I would normally say that you don't need an introduction,
Speaker 1: but I actually think you do, because I think that
Speaker 1: people know you for just a handful of things, and
Speaker 1: you have had quite a lot in your career. Basket. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's a bountiful basket. It's a bountiful basket. And I
Speaker 1: know you. But when we talk, we talk about gossip
Speaker 1: or what we did that day, or Ben or the housewives,
Speaker 1: and you know this show is about people who have
Speaker 1: had non traditional, circuitous roots to get to where they are.
Speaker 1: Pretty much a started from the bottom. Now they're here.
Speaker 1: So you have a radio channel, a book imprint effectively
Speaker 1: with Anderson, a touring company, a production company. You are
Speaker 1: an award winning producer, and so many different genres. And
Speaker 1: I mean, people don't realize you worked at CBS for
Speaker 1: ten years, even before you were an executive at Bravo
Speaker 1: and a vice president at Bravo. And I don't know
Speaker 1: that I can think of another high power executive that
Speaker 1: is so seamlessly transitioned into being such a successful on
Speaker 1: air talent. So did I get all that right? And
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot more. You've won a Peabody Award,
Speaker 1: You've won an Emmy at least an Emmy. Have you
Speaker 1: won more than one Emmy. I've only won one Emmy.
Speaker 1: And you did get it all right, and I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And it is a secuitous route. Indeed, I think that
Speaker 1: you're a person who has navigated getting to where you
Speaker 1: are in a very uh seemingly effortless way. It look
Speaker 1: you make it look easy. You make it You're very casual,
Speaker 1: you're very relaxed, and I just wanted to ask you
Speaker 1: what you thought you were going to do, Like, what
Speaker 1: did you think you were going to be? Well, what
Speaker 1: I wanted to be, I think in the back of
Speaker 1: my mind, because what I in my in my fantasy
Speaker 1: was that I would be able to be myself on TV.
Speaker 1: But I didn't know how to manifest that. And when
Speaker 1: I was growing up, that just seems so egotistical. It
Speaker 1: was before Instagram, it was before we were all admitting
Speaker 1: that we love to put ourselves out there, and it
Speaker 1: just seemed kind of self centered. So I decided to
Speaker 1: go into news because I thought, well, I could be
Speaker 1: a reporter and maybe I could kind of have some
Speaker 1: fun with that. And in my mind, I thought, well,
Speaker 1: maybe I would be on a morning show or something
Speaker 1: like that, hosting. But I quickly gave up the idea
Speaker 1: of being on camera because my last internship was at
Speaker 1: CBS News and new work and the idea of moving
Speaker 1: from small market to small market kind of trying to
Speaker 1: break into reporting versus moving straight to New York and
Speaker 1: working behind the scenes. I think I just got very
Speaker 1: attracted to the allure of working in New York and
Speaker 1: being kind of, you know, swimming in the with the
Speaker 1: Big Fish. Well, that's so interesting. When I was trying
Speaker 1: to be an actress years ago, I felt like I
Speaker 1: was trying to be someone else, and I thought the
Speaker 1: same thing that you thought. And we're similar ages and
Speaker 1: we came up at a similar time in very different routs,
Speaker 1: But I thought the same thing that you thought. How
Speaker 1: do I be myself? But even hosting felt like it's
Speaker 1: just so much copy and you're confined to being all
Speaker 1: cheery and you have found a way to do exactly
Speaker 1: what you want to do in your own way, and
Speaker 1: you've totally kept it real. Do you consider yourself a brand?
Speaker 1: I guess I kind of do in some sense. It
Speaker 1: used to be that the brands were, you know, the
Speaker 1: networks ABC, NBCCBS, but now the brands seem to be
Speaker 1: the people or the shows. You know. The Housewives is
Speaker 1: a brand. Bravo is one of the few networks I
Speaker 1: think that has maintained its brand identity as all these
Speaker 1: other networks have lost their So I guess, in some theory,
Speaker 1: I mean, in some in some way, I guess I
Speaker 1: am a brand. I don't love the word, but it
Speaker 1: is what it is. Because you think it's a pretentious
Speaker 1: where my personal brand. You think it's like a potential exactly.
Speaker 1: I just think it's I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: use it. Who you're like all right with your brand?
Speaker 1: Like settled down? I agree, But I mean, you don't
Speaker 1: think of yourself this way because I know you personally,
Speaker 1: but you are I had a filter for how I
Speaker 1: would bring people on and who they would be. And
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that are very rich
Speaker 1: and very successful that it didn't want to have on
Speaker 1: here because I didn't feel that they were a mogul.
Speaker 1: And I do feel that way about you. I mean
Speaker 1: when I talk about what I said before, I mean,
Speaker 1: and you've written multiple books, and you have multiple shows,
Speaker 1: and you've had, you know, a lot of success, but
Speaker 1: you're so casual about it and you sort of just
Speaker 1: are are natural about it that I wonder if you
Speaker 1: think that you would have been successful at anything you did, like,
Speaker 1: did you would you feel luckier or smart or both?
Speaker 1: What combination? I feel both really lucky and uh And
Speaker 1: I do think that I'm smart and I am cocky
Speaker 1: enough to think that, Yes, I I think that I
Speaker 1: would have been successful at what I tried to do.
Speaker 1: Now I don't think I would have tried to do
Speaker 1: anything that I wasn't going to be successful at. So
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have tried to be a brain surgeon or
Speaker 1: a scientist or something with math or an accountant, because
Speaker 1: I would be horrible and I'm not interested. But the
Speaker 1: things I was interested in I just always I mean,
Speaker 1: it is such simple advice, but I always say to people,
Speaker 1: if you are passionate about something, you should be able
Speaker 1: to succeed in that, because your passion is going to
Speaker 1: drive you, you know, your success. So I feel like
Speaker 1: everything that I've done, I have done because I thought
Speaker 1: I can do that and I'll be good at that.
Speaker 1: There have been a lot of things that have been
Speaker 1: pitched to me or proposed to me that I've said,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna work. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: do that. So while it may seem like I say
Speaker 1: yes to everything, but I actually only say yes to
Speaker 1: things that I think will work or that I can do.
Speaker 1: I don't know that it seems like that. Knowing you personally,
Speaker 1: you say no to a lot and a lot of
Speaker 1: it could be really lucrative in money making, but you're
Speaker 1: also in a position where you're out there every day
Speaker 1: and whatever you say you can, you can. You could
Speaker 1: lose it all in a second for one student thing
Speaker 1: that you say that you don't even mean. I mean
Speaker 1: you are you afraid of that? Yes, I think about
Speaker 1: it every day, and I have thought it every day,
Speaker 1: just because I think, on the one end, I'm so
Speaker 1: grateful for everything that I have and I am hyper
Speaker 1: aware and it's really heated up in the last six years,
Speaker 1: this cancel culture, and so yes, I absolutely do. And
Speaker 1: I have to say, and you and I talked about
Speaker 1: this too. When COVID started. I really started kind of
Speaker 1: counting my my sheckles and thinking, Okay, well, what happens
Speaker 1: if this goes away? And what happens if that goes away?
Speaker 1: And am I okay? And I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: I think it's it's good to always be in check
Speaker 1: of that stuff. And I think part of the reason
Speaker 1: that I try not to flaunt things where you were
Speaker 1: saying earlier, oh, you know, you know you're you're successful,
Speaker 1: that you seem pretty laid back about it. I think
Speaker 1: that we've both seen so many people just be assholes
Speaker 1: with success and with fame, and I think for me, certainly,
Speaker 1: that's been I knew a lot of famous people before
Speaker 1: I ever became famous as it were, And I think
Speaker 1: that I looked at them and how they handled fame,
Speaker 1: and I said, okay, oh they're cool. Oh they're not
Speaker 1: being cool. And I think that I tried to kind
Speaker 1: of ease into it and keep my ship together as
Speaker 1: it were. Well, that's a good way to ask you.
Speaker 1: The next question, do you what is your relationship with money?
Speaker 1: Meaning do you have noise about it? Do you considers
Speaker 1: a wealthy and who do you ask business advice? Like?
Speaker 1: Who do you go to to ask financial and business advice?
Speaker 1: Are you good at that? What's your whole relationship with
Speaker 1: money and the managing of your affairs? You know, I
Speaker 1: grew up firmly middle class or upper middle class where
Speaker 1: I but I was also I worked every summer of
Speaker 1: my life and I was expected to expected to Oh
Speaker 1: my god. Well, well, first of all, my family owned
Speaker 1: a food manufacturing and distribution company and I worked there.
Speaker 1: I worked in the factory, I drove a forklift, I
Speaker 1: made deliveries, I made copies. This is all different summer
Speaker 1: so and again it was working for my family business.
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, like I was expected to be
Speaker 1: there at seven thirty in the morning. It was a
Speaker 1: union shop, so you had clear break times. You had
Speaker 1: to break at ten thirty for fifteen minutes. You had
Speaker 1: a lunch break at noon for half an hour, and
Speaker 1: then you had to break at like three thirty or
Speaker 1: something for fifteen minutes, and then you got off at
Speaker 1: five thirty. And like it was, I was not expected
Speaker 1: just because I was the boss's kid. I was not
Speaker 1: expected to, you know, I was not given like, oh,
Speaker 1: you can take an hour, because really, are you gonna
Speaker 1: get fired? I was. I was meant to leave. I
Speaker 1: was meant to be an example and not be an asshole.
Speaker 1: And I worked at a push card at Fanuel Hall
Speaker 1: in Boston selling Mexican pullovers and blankets. I worked at
Speaker 1: I was a waiter, I was. I had so many jobs.
Speaker 1: I was a receptionist at a radio station. So I
Speaker 1: definitely always was taught the value of money. You know,
Speaker 1: with the world of social media and filters and you know,
Speaker 1: being making five million dollars a year on TikTok and
Speaker 1: this younger generation, I worry about people really knowing what
Speaker 1: that that that that hard work is really the way
Speaker 1: to be successful, even if you are a social media star.
Speaker 1: And even if you do, you know, filter your eyelashes
Speaker 1: on or your ass on or whatever you're doing. Hard
Speaker 1: work is really the key to success in my opinion,
Speaker 1: Like you have to be a person. Getting on TV
Speaker 1: is not going to make you successful. Putting a fucking
Speaker 1: handbag on TV and talking about it is not going
Speaker 1: to make you a million dollars. Like really just following through,
Speaker 1: executing and working hard. And we you when you and
Speaker 1: I talk, we talked about bullshit. We don't talk about
Speaker 1: the jobs you had in high school that your parents
Speaker 1: made you have. And I think the people need to
Speaker 1: know and hear that you could have all of it
Speaker 1: lined up. But if you're not going to work your
Speaker 1: ass off, and you said you have to have passion,
Speaker 1: you have to love what you do, have the drive,
Speaker 1: but ultimately you have to work your ass off. Do you?
Speaker 1: I mean, don't you agree that's the bottom line? You
Speaker 1: work hard? Don't you work really hard? And I think
Speaker 1: that you know. I remember when I started at CBS News.
Speaker 1: I was an intern there and then I moved to
Speaker 1: New York after school and I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait tables until I can get a job
Speaker 1: at CBS News. Something has to open up. I really
Speaker 1: want to be there, and I moved there, and weirdly,
Speaker 1: a nighttime desk assistant left the morning show sooner, you know,
Speaker 1: right after I moved there and I got that job.
Speaker 1: And when I tell you, first of all, I was
Speaker 1: working like seventy hour weeks at least. I worked so hard,
Speaker 1: but I loved it, and I felt so successful because
Speaker 1: I was getting checks, it said CBS on them. I
Speaker 1: was like, I made it. I made not I just
Speaker 1: I thought I was the ship. I I really thought
Speaker 1: I was amazing. And you know that we did not
Speaker 1: count hours. Our generation didn't count ours didn't count saturdays. Well,
Speaker 1: I was the same way, and it was also it's
Speaker 1: part of seems like it's part of your identity. And
Speaker 1: by the way, we've talked about being a little rudderless. Now,
Speaker 1: I feel like you're in such a social career. So
Speaker 1: you host this fun show, you have cocktails, you see people.
Speaker 1: You don't really have to do anything besides that unless
Speaker 1: you're talking about dating. And I feel like, now since
Speaker 1: the pandemic, you're not having that social stimulation. Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 1: I mean it's weird doing a show. I mean, but
Speaker 1: that's another thing. I mean, I'm just so grateful to
Speaker 1: be able to still do it, but it is so
Speaker 1: weird the idea of doing a show from home. I mean,
Speaker 1: I walk up to my computer, I put my makeup on,
Speaker 1: I turn on all the lights. I'm doing it by myself,
Speaker 1: and then you're done a half hour later. I mean
Speaker 1: it's like, well, where are the people exactly? Exactly? Do you?
Speaker 1: You seem very decisive. I've come to you with different
Speaker 1: projects and you don't really seem to look back like
Speaker 1: you'll say no, yes, I think so. And if you
Speaker 1: don't like it, you just don't like it. Do you
Speaker 1: feel like, I don't know what percentage you go with
Speaker 1: gut instinct decisiveness. Just me, I'm very gut instinct, and
Speaker 1: I've worked for a lot of people who have been
Speaker 1: very research driven, and so that's been an interesting experience
Speaker 1: for me where sometimes I have I have you know,
Speaker 1: I thought that a show was going to be a
Speaker 1: huge hit and it's a bomb, and then we do
Speaker 1: the research on why it was a bomb, and it
Speaker 1: was stuff that I could have never predicted. And I'm
Speaker 1: grateful for that, you know. Intel, So I think that
Speaker 1: programming television is very I think it very Um you
Speaker 1: have to go with your gut, if you if you
Speaker 1: really believe that you know what you're doing. And I
Speaker 1: think there are a lot of people who are very
Speaker 1: skittish and television and who are you know who? The
Speaker 1: development phases endless. I hate development. I ran production and
Speaker 1: development a Bravo for years. Development usually takes so long
Speaker 1: and it's agonizing. And you and I have talked about this.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, the time of you know,
Speaker 1: the time between pitching a show and it actually getting
Speaker 1: on the air is often really long. And I you know,
Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm the sure thing, what are you
Speaker 1: waiting for? That's why we couldn't do movies. I mean
Speaker 1: for the most part of take two years like we like,
Speaker 1: I like. I used to put the cameras on. Put
Speaker 1: the cameras on in my house. This is happening, Get
Speaker 1: the fucking cameras on. Yes, exactly. Well, I think that programming,
Speaker 1: which you still are involved in programming because you produce
Speaker 1: so many things and you have such an voice and
Speaker 1: an opinion and power at Bravo, and I know you
Speaker 1: don't run then at work, and people blame you for
Speaker 1: everything that happens there. But it's not unlike products. So
Speaker 1: being in I have a brand and I have many
Speaker 1: different products, and being in that space, often something comes
Speaker 1: out and then ten other people want to do the
Speaker 1: same project, same product, And I'm always at the school
Speaker 1: like be first, be fastest. But once that's been done,
Speaker 1: you don't want to keep doing it ten times. And
Speaker 1: in television it's so much of like, oh, we're doing
Speaker 1: a lot of cooking shows right now. The home space
Speaker 1: is big right now, or the dating space, and then
Speaker 1: it's like derivative content of the original, and you don't
Speaker 1: seem to like that. You don't like derivative Yeah, I mean, um, however,
Speaker 1: I'm happy jumping on a bandwagon. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: if I think there's some new way to do it,
Speaker 1: or if I you know, if, for example, if dating
Speaker 1: shows were really hot, but I was working with you
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, well what if we build
Speaker 1: a dating show around Bethany Like that to me would
Speaker 1: be in my mind something of a sure thing. I
Speaker 1: don't know what it is. I mean, I'm just spitballing,
Speaker 1: but like, you know, so, yeah, you're on it. So
Speaker 1: what's your parenting style? Like what what do you know
Speaker 1: yet what your parenting styleist because been so young, do
Speaker 1: you have any idea? Like, well, I think that it's
Speaker 1: it's fairly laid back, I think, and I've talked to
Speaker 1: other parents about this. What I'm finding is, I think
Speaker 1: there's great Um I think there's something really positive about
Speaker 1: having a child later in life. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm more zen about where I'm at. I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not losing my ship about everything, and where is this
Speaker 1: kid going to go to school? And I just think
Speaker 1: I'm more are comfortable where I'm at, and I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know what, We're going to get this kid into
Speaker 1: a good school, Like all right, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: lose my mind about this. And um so, I just
Speaker 1: think there are things to sweat and things not to sweat.
Speaker 1: So I'm just trying to be laid back. And I
Speaker 1: want to expose him to as many people and as
Speaker 1: many things as possible. And I want, you know, it
Speaker 1: was really important for him to listen to music. I mean,
Speaker 1: so there's music playing all the time at my house
Speaker 1: and it's not kids music, by the way, it's Grateful
Speaker 1: Den and Madonna. And I want him to appreciate music.
Speaker 1: That's so funny. You a polished so somewhere. I know
Speaker 1: he goes to dead shows you love the dead like,
Speaker 1: and he's like, music is such a part of his life.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. I'm such a type A person, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if I consider you type I consider
Speaker 1: you like type B plus. I don't think you're that.
Speaker 1: You don't sweat everything like me. You don't sweat all
Speaker 1: the small stuff. But when it comes to parenting, I'm
Speaker 1: the same exact way. I was, like, my kid's not
Speaker 1: gonna go to their wedding in a diaper, like it's not.
Speaker 1: It's not that deep potty training or getting into school
Speaker 1: like I just and I just the same thing. I
Speaker 1: think it thinks like business, it's your gut instinct. If
Speaker 1: you go with your gut with kids, it's not there's
Speaker 1: no perfect parent, no perfect kid. But are you do
Speaker 1: you want do you honestly want a life partner? Or
Speaker 1: do you want it? I know you do. You've in
Speaker 1: the past, we've talked about this, and you may not
Speaker 1: necessarily want to do it alone. But as we get older,
Speaker 1: we get more set in our ways and selfish, and
Speaker 1: you have a very full life, So what do you
Speaker 1: And can you work as as hard as you do
Speaker 1: in your business at a relationship or a partnership? And
Speaker 1: do you want that? Even I think that I do
Speaker 1: want it, but I don't seem to be working very
Speaker 1: hard to get it. And it's funny because you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of times I'll be, uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: waste an inordinate amount of time on Instagram kind of
Speaker 1: looking at other people's you know, pages and whatever. And
Speaker 1: a lot of times you see people and they're great
Speaker 1: looking in there, and they're all these shirtless pictures, and
Speaker 1: then you're like, okay, let me, let me put myself
Speaker 1: in the position of dating this person. Now, is this
Speaker 1: who I want as a boyfriends? And I find it
Speaker 1: interesting that it's and uh, Paul has like a small
Speaker 1: social following because he's produced some movies, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: post at all, Like he'll post a picture of a
Speaker 1: sunset once every six months. I've never been in a
Speaker 1: relationship with someone who had social media, which I love.
Speaker 1: By the way, I wouldn't be into like some guy
Speaker 1: taking pictures of himself and filtering himself and showing how
Speaker 1: great his fake life was, and not one of us
Speaker 1: that have to project the bullshit right You're looking when
Speaker 1: it's I Candy and you're like, oh my god, this
Speaker 1: guy is amazing. I want to meet him. And then
Speaker 1: you're like, wait a minute, so exactly, And also, um,
Speaker 1: what do you think of? What does that bother you?
Speaker 1: Does it bother you? Social media and that people's bullshit lives.
Speaker 1: I mean, The Housewives is all about everyone calling everybody
Speaker 1: out on everything and unwatched it happens live no stone
Speaker 1: is unturned. It kind of does. But then on the
Speaker 1: other hand, that's the thing. It's like, well, guess what
Speaker 1: if I was someone else looking in on my social media?
Speaker 1: Am I the person I would want to date? Maybe not?
Speaker 1: I may be like, you know what, that guy is
Speaker 1: kind of a douche. I mean, so you know, it's
Speaker 1: you know, people who live in glass houses, man, you know.
Speaker 1: And also, I mean that's the other thing. If I
Speaker 1: was watching my own show, would I want to date me?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I can't. I'm two
Speaker 1: inside baseball. I mean, I think you're pretty fucking eligible
Speaker 1: and datable. But what you know, So being gay and
Speaker 1: being Jewish has they have been drawbacks to being Jewish.
Speaker 1: Let's start with the easier one. Have there been drawbacks
Speaker 1: and like, has there been any obstacles? Not in the
Speaker 1: entertainment industry, right, No, no, not that I have had.
Speaker 1: And then regarding being gay, I would say I started
Speaker 1: working at CBS News was it was first of all,
Speaker 1: the AIDS epidemic was in full swing, and second of all, um,
Speaker 1: people were really closeted at CBS News. I was not only,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the youngest producers there. I was
Speaker 1: one of not many out people. I worked with a
Speaker 1: lot of older gay guys correspondence and producers who I
Speaker 1: would run into a gay bars. That was sometimes how
Speaker 1: I found out that they were gay. But they were
Speaker 1: very closeted because CBS News was it was just a
Speaker 1: very conservative place, and um it was not. But I
Speaker 1: just was like, look this. I was already out at
Speaker 1: that point, and I was like, look, you know, this
Speaker 1: is just who I am. And so I can't say
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember once being in the control room
Speaker 1: and someone kind of said fagging, and you know, you
Speaker 1: you you you hear things or you feel like, oh wow, okay,
Speaker 1: well that's surprising. I guess I am still living in
Speaker 1: the world in and this is what it is. But
Speaker 1: I can't say that it hurt me. I didn't feel
Speaker 1: like it hurt me. It was still kind of the
Speaker 1: entertainment business, and it was just a different time. And
Speaker 1: your parents were always supportive, like from when I don't
Speaker 1: even know how you were you came out, but they
Speaker 1: were so always supportive. It was always or did they always?
Speaker 1: Did they know you were gay from when you were
Speaker 1: a small boy now, because you're you're what I call
Speaker 1: straight gay. When you were first m Bravo hosting the Reunions,
Speaker 1: Jill Zarin wanted to set you up with someone we
Speaker 1: didn't even know. You seemed like a great straight Jewish
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she wanted to set you up with someone
Speaker 1: because you seem straight. I know it's true, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: h they. I mean, listen, I had a Supremes poster
Speaker 1: in my bedroom when I was growing up, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, And I was listening to Diana Ross,
Speaker 1: and I, you know, I on that I seem pretty gay.
Speaker 1: My mom found gay porn under my bed when I
Speaker 1: was either in a senior in high school or freshman
Speaker 1: in college, and so you know that pretty much tipped
Speaker 1: her off. And then when I came out a couple
Speaker 1: of years later. She always says that that she knew
Speaker 1: I was gay. I was in our production of Carousel
Speaker 1: in high school, and she says, and I quote, well
Speaker 1: when you came prancing onto the stage in Paris, I
Speaker 1: had a pretty good idea. I'm like, I wasn't prancing. Mom,
Speaker 1: she said, oh, yes, you were. You were prancing. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, thank you. That's amazing, that's amazing. You know
Speaker 1: my mother's famous line when I told her I was gay,
Speaker 1: she said, I probably would have hated your wife anyway.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. All right, Well, I won't keep you too
Speaker 1: much longer. I just want to know if there what
Speaker 1: that I'm an introvert and that I'm a homebody and
Speaker 1: never want to leave the house is a surprise to
Speaker 1: people about me. So what is a surprise to people
Speaker 1: about you? Most people except for your best friends and
Speaker 1: your family. Now, what is maybe a surprise to people
Speaker 1: is that I really am just kind of a hippie
Speaker 1: at heart. Like I really am happiest just sitting on
Speaker 1: a beach all day doing nothing, you know, listening to
Speaker 1: the grateful dad, Like you know that's what I want? Well,
Speaker 1: all right, I like that here you go. So I
Speaker 1: just want to thank you so much because I know
Speaker 1: how busy you are and this is your vacation time,
Speaker 1: and I really appreciate it. And I just want to
Speaker 1: acknowledge that you are the one who called me and
Speaker 1: did say you have to do this. You're gonna love it,
Speaker 1: You're gonna be good at it. I loved it, And
Speaker 1: thank you for having well, thank you for having me
Speaker 1: to and have a wonderful holiday. And I appreciate you. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll talk to you all right. That was Andy Cohen
Speaker 1: on speaker because it's just the way would you with
Speaker 1: shows from your home. So anyway, you know, the reason
Speaker 1: I thought that that was particularly compelling is that I
Speaker 1: don't think people know that much about Andy. He's happy,
Speaker 1: go lucky, he's you know, the consummate host. He's effortless
Speaker 1: and casual, and he's always smiling, and he's super charming,
Speaker 1: and you know, he's really deep. He's a really deep person,
Speaker 1: and he just has a very very unique story because
Speaker 1: he's come up in a really interesting way. He was
Speaker 1: an executive and he managed to get himself on camera
Speaker 1: and then managed to be a really successful late night
Speaker 1: talk show host. So I just think he's an interesting story.
Speaker 1: He's definitely a mogul. And even though up friends with
Speaker 1: him and he comes to my house and we chat,
Speaker 1: we don't get into the meat of Matt. We never
Speaker 1: have talked about his childhood. We don't talk really except
Speaker 1: for just how are your parents. They're good. We don't
Speaker 1: get into what makes him who he is. And I
Speaker 1: think you can learn from his story. So I thought
Speaker 1: that was very insightful and in many ways simple. You know,
Speaker 1: work really hard and love what you do, and you'll
Speaker 1: be successful at it. And as a parent, not to
Speaker 1: get bobbed down and obsessed with doing everything right. It's
Speaker 1: all gonna work out. So thank you all for listening.
Speaker 1: I thought that was really great and I'm loving these conversations.
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