1 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: Welcome back to just be with bethany. Uh So, do 2 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: you remember the Going with Paltrow vagina scented candle? Peo 3 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: believe I'm saying that out loud. Well, it's sold out 4 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: really quickly. So Gwyneth Paltrow, I remember her vagina had 5 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: a vagina sentence, So who's vagina? By the way, who's 6 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: I want to know who's coming Gwyneth Paltrow on here 7 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: so I can ask her who's vagina was the candle 8 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: modeled after? And who were the vagina testers? Like who 9 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: are the vain who are the people the women or 10 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: men just doing all the vagina testing and mixing, because 11 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: it's like mixing a fragrance, Like I like this. It 12 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: has a little bit of guardinia, It has a little 13 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: bit of musk, It has a little bit of patuli, 14 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: it has a little So I want to know like 15 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: the ten vaginas that got mixed into the Gwyneth Paltrow 16 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: vagina candle. But I digress. And this candle blew up 17 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: in someone's house, So I said, it's better than someone's 18 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: vagina blowing up. What did the smell like all over 19 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: the house? And it's so that person has to move. 20 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: Now does she get Do GWYNETHA have to buy that 21 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: person a new home because that person's home smells like 22 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: vagina everywhere? I just want vagina. From what I understand, 23 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: there are people that won't be with certain people because 24 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: they don't have a pleasant smelling vagina. So I just 25 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: want to know who's vagina? Is it? Anyway? Um? But 26 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: all Gwyneth Paltrow, it's just amazing. Let's do the dick's 27 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: dick smelling candle, next penis, the penis candle, the ass candle, 28 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: the tame candle, the crack candle, the balls candle, the 29 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: after sex candle. I mean, I want to be Gwyneth 30 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: Paltrow when I grew up right, just fucking do anything 31 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: you want. I bet you that would all work, Like 32 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: all those candles just would just work. Oh, it's Gwynneth's vagina. Well, 33 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: did she smell her own vagina? She does do yoga, 34 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: she does work with Tracy Anderson, So maybe she's that 35 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: that that um that's flexible, that she smells her own vagina. 36 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: But I will say something, and all you women know 37 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: your vagina doesn't smell the same every single day. Okay, 38 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: it doesn't smell the same every single day. It smells 39 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: different after certain activities. It smells different, uh, during that 40 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: time of the month, and not your vagina doesn't smell 41 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: the same all the time. And I don't I bet, 42 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: I bet a fifth year old vagina. How old is Wanna? 43 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: She's forty eight years old. She's a middle aged woman. 44 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 1: And I'd like to know what a middle aged, beautiful, 45 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: blonde actress slash empire owner vagina smells like. So I'm 46 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: gonna have to get the candle and then I'm gonna 47 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: have to smell one of Poultro's vagina and do and 48 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: see if they smell the same. Because has anyone tested that? Right? 49 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: Do you agree? I mean, what are the odds? What 50 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: are the odds that her vagina smells like that candle? Right? Zero? 51 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: So if any of you have smelled the candle, I'd 52 00:02:52,320 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: like to know. So we're going to talk to Andy Cowen, 53 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: who has so many job titles I don't think you 54 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: would believe it. He has not only worked at CBS 55 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: for ten years and was a vice president in programming 56 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: and development at Bravo. He hosts Watch What Happens Live. 57 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: He's won a Peabody and an Emmy, has produced dozens 58 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: of television shows. He's written multiple New York Times bestsellers. 59 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: He has a touring show with Anderson Cooper. He has 60 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: his own imprint where he publishes other people's books, and 61 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: he's hosted many different shows. And he's only just begun. 62 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: And to be honest, I just think he really makes 63 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: the whole thing look effortless because he's loving what he does. 64 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,839 Speaker 1: But he's a hard worker and he's only halfway there. 65 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: He's got so much to do, so pretty amazing story. 66 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: And I can't wait to talk to him in a 67 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: different way about business and not just him in my backyard, 68 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: which is how it usually happens. Hi, Andy, this is 69 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: a flip of a switch right now, um, which I enjoy. 70 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: I would normally say that you don't need an introduction, 71 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: but I actually think you do, because I think that 72 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: people know you for just a handful of things, and 73 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: you have had quite a lot in your career. Basket. Yes, 74 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: it's a bountiful basket. It's a bountiful basket. And I 75 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: know you. But when we talk, we talk about gossip 76 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: or what we did that day, or Ben or the housewives, 77 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: and you know this show is about people who have 78 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: had non traditional, circuitous roots to get to where they are. 79 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: Pretty much a started from the bottom. Now they're here. 80 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: So you have a radio channel, a book imprint effectively 81 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: with Anderson, a touring company, a production company. You are 82 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: an award winning producer, and so many different genres. And 83 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: I mean, people don't realize you worked at CBS for 84 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: ten years, even before you were an executive at Bravo 85 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: and a vice president at Bravo. And I don't know 86 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: that I can think of another high power executive that 87 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: is so seamlessly transitioned into being such a successful on 88 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: air talent. So did I get all that right? And 89 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: I know there's a lot more. You've won a Peabody Award, 90 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: You've won an Emmy at least an Emmy. Have you 91 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: won more than one Emmy. I've only won one Emmy. 92 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: And you did get it all right, and I appreciate it. 93 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: And it is a secuitous route. Indeed, I think that 94 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: you're a person who has navigated getting to where you 95 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: are in a very uh seemingly effortless way. It look 96 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: you make it look easy. You make it You're very casual, 97 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: you're very relaxed, and I just wanted to ask you 98 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: what you thought you were going to do, Like, what 99 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: did you think you were going to be? Well, what 100 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: I wanted to be, I think in the back of 101 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: my mind, because what I in my in my fantasy 102 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: was that I would be able to be myself on TV. 103 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: But I didn't know how to manifest that. And when 104 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: I was growing up, that just seems so egotistical. It 105 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: was before Instagram, it was before we were all admitting 106 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: that we love to put ourselves out there, and it 107 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: just seemed kind of self centered. So I decided to 108 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 1: go into news because I thought, well, I could be 109 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: a reporter and maybe I could kind of have some 110 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: fun with that. And in my mind, I thought, well, 111 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: maybe I would be on a morning show or something 112 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: like that, hosting. But I quickly gave up the idea 113 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: of being on camera because my last internship was at 114 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: CBS News and new work and the idea of moving 115 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: from small market to small market kind of trying to 116 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: break into reporting versus moving straight to New York and 117 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: working behind the scenes. I think I just got very 118 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: attracted to the allure of working in New York and 119 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: being kind of, you know, swimming in the with the 120 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: Big Fish. Well, that's so interesting. When I was trying 121 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: to be an actress years ago, I felt like I 122 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: was trying to be someone else, and I thought the 123 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: same thing that you thought. And we're similar ages and 124 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: we came up at a similar time in very different routs, 125 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: But I thought the same thing that you thought. How 126 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: do I be myself? But even hosting felt like it's 127 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: just so much copy and you're confined to being all 128 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: cheery and you have found a way to do exactly 129 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: what you want to do in your own way, and 130 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: you've totally kept it real. Do you consider yourself a brand? 131 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: I guess I kind of do in some sense. It 132 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: used to be that the brands were, you know, the 133 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: networks ABC, NBCCBS, but now the brands seem to be 134 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: the people or the shows. You know. The Housewives is 135 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: a brand. Bravo is one of the few networks I 136 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: think that has maintained its brand identity as all these 137 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: other networks have lost their So I guess, in some theory, 138 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: I mean, in some in some way, I guess I 139 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: am a brand. I don't love the word, but it 140 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: is what it is. Because you think it's a pretentious 141 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: where my personal brand. You think it's like a potential exactly. 142 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: I just think it's I think a lot of people 143 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: use it. Who you're like all right with your brand? 144 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: Like settled down? I agree, But I mean, you don't 145 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: think of yourself this way because I know you personally, 146 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 1: but you are I had a filter for how I 147 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: would bring people on and who they would be. And 148 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that are very rich 149 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: and very successful that it didn't want to have on 150 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: here because I didn't feel that they were a mogul. 151 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: And I do feel that way about you. I mean 152 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: when I talk about what I said before, I mean, 153 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: and you've written multiple books, and you have multiple shows, 154 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: and you've had, you know, a lot of success, but 155 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: you're so casual about it and you sort of just 156 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,719 Speaker 1: are are natural about it that I wonder if you 157 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: think that you would have been successful at anything you did, like, 158 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: did you would you feel luckier or smart or both? 159 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: What combination? I feel both really lucky and uh And 160 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: I do think that I'm smart and I am cocky 161 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: enough to think that, Yes, I I think that I 162 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: would have been successful at what I tried to do. 163 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: Now I don't think I would have tried to do 164 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: anything that I wasn't going to be successful at. So 165 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have tried to be a brain surgeon or 166 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: a scientist or something with math or an accountant, because 167 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: I would be horrible and I'm not interested. But the 168 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: things I was interested in I just always I mean, 169 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: it is such simple advice, but I always say to people, 170 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: if you are passionate about something, you should be able 171 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: to succeed in that, because your passion is going to 172 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: drive you, you know, your success. So I feel like 173 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 1: everything that I've done, I have done because I thought 174 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: I can do that and I'll be good at that. 175 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: There have been a lot of things that have been 176 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: pitched to me or proposed to me that I've said, 177 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna work. I'm not going to 178 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: do that. So while it may seem like I say 179 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: yes to everything, but I actually only say yes to 180 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: things that I think will work or that I can do. 181 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: I don't know that it seems like that. Knowing you personally, 182 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: you say no to a lot and a lot of 183 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: it could be really lucrative in money making, but you're 184 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: also in a position where you're out there every day 185 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: and whatever you say you can, you can. You could 186 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: lose it all in a second for one student thing 187 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: that you say that you don't even mean. I mean 188 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: you are you afraid of that? Yes, I think about 189 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: it every day, and I have thought it every day, 190 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: just because I think, on the one end, I'm so 191 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: grateful for everything that I have and I am hyper 192 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: aware and it's really heated up in the last six years, 193 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: this cancel culture, and so yes, I absolutely do. And 194 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: I have to say, and you and I talked about 195 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: this too. When COVID started. I really started kind of 196 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: counting my my sheckles and thinking, Okay, well, what happens 197 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: if this goes away? And what happens if that goes away? 198 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: And am I okay? And I think that, you know, 199 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 1: I think it's it's good to always be in check 200 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: of that stuff. And I think part of the reason 201 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: that I try not to flaunt things where you were 202 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: saying earlier, oh, you know, you know you're you're successful, 203 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: that you seem pretty laid back about it. I think 204 00:11:55,480 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: that we've both seen so many people just be assholes 205 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 1: with success and with fame, and I think for me, certainly, 206 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: that's been I knew a lot of famous people before 207 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: I ever became famous as it were, And I think 208 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: that I looked at them and how they handled fame, 209 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: and I said, okay, oh they're cool. Oh they're not 210 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: being cool. And I think that I tried to kind 211 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: of ease into it and keep my ship together as 212 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: it were. Well, that's a good way to ask you. 213 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: The next question, do you what is your relationship with money? 214 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: Meaning do you have noise about it? Do you considers 215 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: a wealthy and who do you ask business advice? Like? 216 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: Who do you go to to ask financial and business advice? 217 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: Are you good at that? What's your whole relationship with 218 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: money and the managing of your affairs? You know, I 219 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: grew up firmly middle class or upper middle class where 220 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: I but I was also I worked every summer of 221 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: my life and I was expected to expected to Oh 222 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: my god. Well, well, first of all, my family owned 223 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: a food manufacturing and distribution company and I worked there. 224 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: I worked in the factory, I drove a forklift, I 225 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: made deliveries, I made copies. This is all different summer 226 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: so and again it was working for my family business. 227 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, like I was expected to be 228 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: there at seven thirty in the morning. It was a 229 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: union shop, so you had clear break times. You had 230 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: to break at ten thirty for fifteen minutes. You had 231 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: a lunch break at noon for half an hour, and 232 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: then you had to break at like three thirty or 233 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: something for fifteen minutes, and then you got off at 234 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: five thirty. And like it was, I was not expected 235 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: just because I was the boss's kid. I was not 236 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: expected to, you know, I was not given like, oh, 237 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: you can take an hour, because really, are you gonna 238 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: get fired? I was. I was meant to leave. I 239 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: was meant to be an example and not be an asshole. 240 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: And I worked at a push card at Fanuel Hall 241 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: in Boston selling Mexican pullovers and blankets. I worked at 242 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 1: I was a waiter, I was. I had so many jobs. 243 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,599 Speaker 1: I was a receptionist at a radio station. So I 244 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: definitely always was taught the value of money. You know, 245 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: with the world of social media and filters and you know, 246 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: being making five million dollars a year on TikTok and 247 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: this younger generation, I worry about people really knowing what 248 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: that that that that hard work is really the way 249 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: to be successful, even if you are a social media star. 250 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: And even if you do, you know, filter your eyelashes 251 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: on or your ass on or whatever you're doing. Hard 252 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: work is really the key to success in my opinion, 253 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: Like you have to be a person. Getting on TV 254 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: is not going to make you successful. Putting a fucking 255 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: handbag on TV and talking about it is not going 256 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: to make you a million dollars. Like really just following through, 257 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: executing and working hard. And we you when you and 258 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: I talk, we talked about bullshit. We don't talk about 259 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: the jobs you had in high school that your parents 260 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: made you have. And I think the people need to 261 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: know and hear that you could have all of it 262 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: lined up. But if you're not going to work your 263 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: ass off, and you said you have to have passion, 264 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: you have to love what you do, have the drive, 265 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: but ultimately you have to work your ass off. Do you? 266 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: I mean, don't you agree that's the bottom line? You 267 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: work hard? Don't you work really hard? And I think 268 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: that you know. I remember when I started at CBS News. 269 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: I was an intern there and then I moved to 270 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: New York after school and I was like, you know what, 271 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait tables until I can get a job 272 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: at CBS News. Something has to open up. I really 273 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: want to be there, and I moved there, and weirdly, 274 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: a nighttime desk assistant left the morning show sooner, you know, 275 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: right after I moved there and I got that job. 276 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: And when I tell you, first of all, I was 277 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: working like seventy hour weeks at least. I worked so hard, 278 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: but I loved it, and I felt so successful because 279 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: I was getting checks, it said CBS on them. I 280 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: was like, I made it. I made not I just 281 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: I thought I was the ship. I I really thought 282 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: I was amazing. And you know that we did not 283 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: count hours. Our generation didn't count ours didn't count saturdays. Well, 284 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: I was the same way, and it was also it's 285 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: part of seems like it's part of your identity. And 286 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: by the way, we've talked about being a little rudderless. Now, 287 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: I feel like you're in such a social career. So 288 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: you host this fun show, you have cocktails, you see people. 289 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: You don't really have to do anything besides that unless 290 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: you're talking about dating. And I feel like, now since 291 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: the pandemic, you're not having that social stimulation. Yeah, it's weird. 292 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: I mean it's weird doing a show. I mean, but 293 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: that's another thing. I mean, I'm just so grateful to 294 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: be able to still do it, but it is so 295 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: weird the idea of doing a show from home. I mean, 296 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: I walk up to my computer, I put my makeup on, 297 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: I turn on all the lights. I'm doing it by myself, 298 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: and then you're done a half hour later. I mean 299 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: it's like, well, where are the people exactly? Exactly? Do you? 300 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: You seem very decisive. I've come to you with different 301 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: projects and you don't really seem to look back like 302 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: you'll say no, yes, I think so. And if you 303 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: don't like it, you just don't like it. Do you 304 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: feel like, I don't know what percentage you go with 305 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: gut instinct decisiveness. Just me, I'm very gut instinct, and 306 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: I've worked for a lot of people who have been 307 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: very research driven, and so that's been an interesting experience 308 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: for me where sometimes I have I have you know, 309 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: I thought that a show was going to be a 310 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: huge hit and it's a bomb, and then we do 311 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: the research on why it was a bomb, and it 312 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: was stuff that I could have never predicted. And I'm 313 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: grateful for that, you know. Intel, So I think that 314 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: programming television is very I think it very Um you 315 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: have to go with your gut, if you if you 316 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: really believe that you know what you're doing. And I 317 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: think there are a lot of people who are very 318 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: skittish and television and who are you know who? The 319 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: development phases endless. I hate development. I ran production and 320 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: development a Bravo for years. Development usually takes so long 321 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 1: and it's agonizing. And you and I have talked about this. 322 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, the time of you know, 323 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 1: the time between pitching a show and it actually getting 324 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: on the air is often really long. And I you know, 325 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm the sure thing, what are you 326 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: waiting for? That's why we couldn't do movies. I mean 327 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 1: for the most part of take two years like we like, 328 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 1: I like. I used to put the cameras on. Put 329 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: the cameras on in my house. This is happening, Get 330 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: the fucking cameras on. Yes, exactly. Well, I think that programming, 331 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: which you still are involved in programming because you produce 332 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: so many things and you have such an voice and 333 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: an opinion and power at Bravo, and I know you 334 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: don't run then at work, and people blame you for 335 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: everything that happens there. But it's not unlike products. So 336 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: being in I have a brand and I have many 337 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: different products, and being in that space, often something comes 338 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: out and then ten other people want to do the 339 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: same project, same product, And I'm always at the school 340 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: like be first, be fastest. But once that's been done, 341 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: you don't want to keep doing it ten times. And 342 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: in television it's so much of like, oh, we're doing 343 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: a lot of cooking shows right now. The home space 344 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: is big right now, or the dating space, and then 345 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: it's like derivative content of the original, and you don't 346 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: seem to like that. You don't like derivative Yeah, I mean, um, however, 347 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: I'm happy jumping on a bandwagon. I mean, you know, 348 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: if I think there's some new way to do it, 349 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: or if I you know, if, for example, if dating 350 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: shows were really hot, but I was working with you 351 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, well what if we build 352 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: a dating show around Bethany Like that to me would 353 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: be in my mind something of a sure thing. I 354 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: don't know what it is. I mean, I'm just spitballing, 355 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: but like, you know, so, yeah, you're on it. So 356 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: what's your parenting style? Like what what do you know 357 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: yet what your parenting styleist because been so young, do 358 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: you have any idea? Like, well, I think that it's 359 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: it's fairly laid back, I think, and I've talked to 360 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: other parents about this. What I'm finding is, I think 361 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: there's great Um I think there's something really positive about 362 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: having a child later in life. I think, you know, 363 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 1: I'm more zen about where I'm at. I'm not I'm 364 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: not losing my ship about everything, and where is this 365 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: kid going to go to school? And I just think 366 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: I'm more are comfortable where I'm at, and I feel like, 367 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: you know what, We're going to get this kid into 368 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: a good school, Like all right, I'm not going to 369 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: lose my mind about this. And um so, I just 370 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 1: think there are things to sweat and things not to sweat. 371 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 1: So I'm just trying to be laid back. And I 372 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: want to expose him to as many people and as 373 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 1: many things as possible. And I want, you know, it 374 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: was really important for him to listen to music. I mean, 375 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: so there's music playing all the time at my house 376 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: and it's not kids music, by the way, it's Grateful 377 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: Den and Madonna. And I want him to appreciate music. 378 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: That's so funny. You a polished so somewhere. I know 379 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: he goes to dead shows you love the dead like, 380 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: and he's like, music is such a part of his life. 381 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: It's so funny. I'm such a type A person, and 382 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if I consider you type I consider 383 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: you like type B plus. I don't think you're that. 384 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: You don't sweat everything like me. You don't sweat all 385 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: the small stuff. But when it comes to parenting, I'm 386 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: the same exact way. I was, like, my kid's not 387 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: gonna go to their wedding in a diaper, like it's not. 388 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: It's not that deep potty training or getting into school 389 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: like I just and I just the same thing. I 390 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: think it thinks like business, it's your gut instinct. If 391 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: you go with your gut with kids, it's not there's 392 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: no perfect parent, no perfect kid. But are you do 393 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: you want do you honestly want a life partner? Or 394 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: do you want it? I know you do. You've in 395 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: the past, we've talked about this, and you may not 396 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: necessarily want to do it alone. But as we get older, 397 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: we get more set in our ways and selfish, and 398 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: you have a very full life, So what do you 399 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: And can you work as as hard as you do 400 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: in your business at a relationship or a partnership? And 401 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: do you want that? Even I think that I do 402 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: want it, but I don't seem to be working very 403 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: hard to get it. And it's funny because you know, 404 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: a lot of times I'll be, uh, you know, I 405 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: waste an inordinate amount of time on Instagram kind of 406 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: looking at other people's you know, pages and whatever. And 407 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: a lot of times you see people and they're great 408 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: looking in there, and they're all these shirtless pictures, and 409 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: then you're like, okay, let me, let me put myself 410 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: in the position of dating this person. Now, is this 411 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: who I want as a boyfriends? And I find it 412 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: interesting that it's and uh, Paul has like a small 413 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: social following because he's produced some movies, but he doesn't 414 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 1: post at all, Like he'll post a picture of a 415 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: sunset once every six months. I've never been in a 416 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: relationship with someone who had social media, which I love. 417 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: By the way, I wouldn't be into like some guy 418 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: taking pictures of himself and filtering himself and showing how 419 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: great his fake life was, and not one of us 420 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,959 Speaker 1: that have to project the bullshit right You're looking when 421 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: it's I Candy and you're like, oh my god, this 422 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: guy is amazing. I want to meet him. And then 423 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 1: you're like, wait a minute, so exactly, And also, um, 424 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,719 Speaker 1: what do you think of? What does that bother you? 425 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 1: Does it bother you? Social media and that people's bullshit lives. 426 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: I mean, The Housewives is all about everyone calling everybody 427 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: out on everything and unwatched it happens live no stone 428 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: is unturned. It kind of does. But then on the 429 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 1: other hand, that's the thing. It's like, well, guess what 430 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: if I was someone else looking in on my social media? 431 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: Am I the person I would want to date? Maybe not? 432 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: I may be like, you know what, that guy is 433 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: kind of a douche. I mean, so you know, it's 434 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: you know, people who live in glass houses, man, you know. 435 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: And also, I mean that's the other thing. If I 436 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: was watching my own show, would I want to date me? 437 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I can't. I'm two 438 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: inside baseball. I mean, I think you're pretty fucking eligible 439 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: and datable. But what you know, So being gay and 440 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: being Jewish has they have been drawbacks to being Jewish. 441 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: Let's start with the easier one. Have there been drawbacks 442 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: and like, has there been any obstacles? Not in the 443 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: entertainment industry, right, No, no, not that I have had. 444 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: And then regarding being gay, I would say I started 445 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: working at CBS News was it was first of all, 446 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: the AIDS epidemic was in full swing, and second of all, um, 447 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: people were really closeted at CBS News. I was not only, 448 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,959 Speaker 1: you know, one of the youngest producers there. I was 449 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: one of not many out people. I worked with a 450 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: lot of older gay guys correspondence and producers who I 451 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: would run into a gay bars. That was sometimes how 452 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: I found out that they were gay. But they were 453 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: very closeted because CBS News was it was just a 454 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: very conservative place, and um it was not. But I 455 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: just was like, look this. I was already out at 456 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: that point, and I was like, look, you know, this 457 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: is just who I am. And so I can't say 458 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I remember once being in the control room 459 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: and someone kind of said fagging, and you know, you 460 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: you you you hear things or you feel like, oh wow, okay, 461 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: well that's surprising. I guess I am still living in 462 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: the world in and this is what it is. But 463 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: I can't say that it hurt me. I didn't feel 464 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 1: like it hurt me. It was still kind of the 465 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 1: entertainment business, and it was just a different time. And 466 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: your parents were always supportive, like from when I don't 467 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: even know how you were you came out, but they 468 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 1: were so always supportive. It was always or did they always? 469 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: Did they know you were gay from when you were 470 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: a small boy now, because you're you're what I call 471 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: straight gay. When you were first m Bravo hosting the Reunions, 472 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: Jill Zarin wanted to set you up with someone we 473 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: didn't even know. You seemed like a great straight Jewish 474 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she wanted to set you up with someone 475 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: because you seem straight. I know it's true, Yeah, I 476 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: h they. I mean, listen, I had a Supremes poster 477 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: in my bedroom when I was growing up, you know 478 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: what I mean, And I was listening to Diana Ross, 479 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: and I, you know, I on that I seem pretty gay. 480 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: My mom found gay porn under my bed when I 481 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: was either in a senior in high school or freshman 482 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: in college, and so you know that pretty much tipped 483 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: her off. And then when I came out a couple 484 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: of years later. She always says that that she knew 485 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: I was gay. I was in our production of Carousel 486 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: in high school, and she says, and I quote, well 487 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: when you came prancing onto the stage in Paris, I 488 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: had a pretty good idea. I'm like, I wasn't prancing. Mom, 489 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: she said, oh, yes, you were. You were prancing. I'm like, okay, 490 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: all right, thank you. That's amazing, that's amazing. You know 491 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: my mother's famous line when I told her I was gay, 492 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 1: she said, I probably would have hated your wife anyway. 493 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: That's amazing. All right, Well, I won't keep you too 494 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: much longer. I just want to know if there what 495 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: that I'm an introvert and that I'm a homebody and 496 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: never want to leave the house is a surprise to 497 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: people about me. So what is a surprise to people 498 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: about you? Most people except for your best friends and 499 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: your family. Now, what is maybe a surprise to people 500 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: is that I really am just kind of a hippie 501 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: at heart. Like I really am happiest just sitting on 502 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: a beach all day doing nothing, you know, listening to 503 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: the grateful dad, Like you know that's what I want? Well, 504 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: all right, I like that here you go. So I 505 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: just want to thank you so much because I know 506 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 1: how busy you are and this is your vacation time, 507 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: and I really appreciate it. And I just want to 508 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: acknowledge that you are the one who called me and 509 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: did say you have to do this. You're gonna love it, 510 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: You're gonna be good at it. I loved it, And 511 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: thank you for having well, thank you for having me 512 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: to and have a wonderful holiday. And I appreciate you. Okay, 513 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: I'll talk to you all right. That was Andy Cohen 514 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: on speaker because it's just the way would you with 515 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: shows from your home. So anyway, you know, the reason 516 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: I thought that that was particularly compelling is that I 517 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: don't think people know that much about Andy. He's happy, 518 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: go lucky, he's you know, the consummate host. He's effortless 519 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: and casual, and he's always smiling, and he's super charming, 520 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: and you know, he's really deep. He's a really deep person, 521 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: and he just has a very very unique story because 522 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: he's come up in a really interesting way. He was 523 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: an executive and he managed to get himself on camera 524 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: and then managed to be a really successful late night 525 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: talk show host. So I just think he's an interesting story. 526 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: He's definitely a mogul. And even though up friends with 527 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: him and he comes to my house and we chat, 528 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: we don't get into the meat of Matt. We never 529 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: have talked about his childhood. We don't talk really except 530 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: for just how are your parents. They're good. We don't 531 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: get into what makes him who he is. And I 532 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: think you can learn from his story. So I thought 533 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: that was very insightful and in many ways simple. You know, 534 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: work really hard and love what you do, and you'll 535 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: be successful at it. And as a parent, not to 536 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: get bobbed down and obsessed with doing everything right. It's 537 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: all gonna work out. So thank you all for listening. 538 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: I thought that was really great and I'm loving these conversations. 539 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: We'll talk soon. Jessie Managing Sarah Katnac is our assistant 540 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: for your managing our Just because moreductions and the Kevin 541 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: more moments from the show. Show you make around the 542 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: Sam Baby with beth. 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