Speaker 1: Hello, listeners of the Therapy Gecko podcast. Welcome. My name
Speaker 1: is Lyle. I'm a gecko human guy thing person. I'm
Speaker 1: a man. I'm in a gecko suit. It's really hot.
Speaker 1: I'm in a park in New York City. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of people around this park, and I want to
Speaker 1: talk to them. I want to get lost in conversation.
Speaker 1: I need to exit my own brain. I need to
Speaker 1: be in life. I need to be I'm attempting to
Speaker 1: get into the flow state today by talking to people
Speaker 1: about their lives. So this is going to be a
Speaker 1: no phone call episode. It's going to be an in
Speaker 1: real life episode for those who are unfamiliar. Real life
Speaker 1: is that when you have a conversation with someone and
Speaker 1: there's no technology involved in the interface between the two people.
Speaker 1: Direct from one person's mouth into my ear, my mouth
Speaker 1: into their ear, and then yes, through technology into your ears.
Speaker 1: So we're in Washington Square Park, New York City. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's all I have to say. Let's talk to some people. Hey,
Speaker 1: what's up, man, what's going on? What's your name?
Speaker 2: Archie?
Speaker 1: Archie. Nice to meet you, Archie. That's your day going.
Speaker 1: Things are good? Things are good, very nice. Why are
Speaker 1: things good?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think things have are very stable, things are serene,
Speaker 4: things are predictable, things are easy.
Speaker 1: Have they always been that way?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: I'm so please please hit me, so things are hold on.
Speaker 1: I just want to recount they were there, stable, serene,
Speaker 1: and predictable, and they were not always this way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well I think I guess what do I
Speaker 4: think there's several reasons why they haven't always been this way.
Speaker 4: First off, I'm just entering a point in my life where,
Speaker 4: you know, I have like a job that's like a
Speaker 4: career job, so I'm like working on that great and
Speaker 4: like showing up to work every like showing up to
Speaker 4: work and just sort of being a worker and enjoying
Speaker 4: that part of life. I also think that, like, you know,
Speaker 4: so that's like I guess the like everyone gets to
Speaker 4: a point in their life where like stuff gets predictable
Speaker 4: in that way. Sure, but you know my life used
Speaker 4: to be I'm someone who is like so prone to chaos. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Like I love working in the gig economy. I love
Speaker 4: I love living a life where it's like I could
Speaker 4: go from like very high highs to like deep cavernous crashes.
Speaker 4: So sort of not being on that for like kind
Speaker 4: of the first time in my life feels pretty wonderful.
Speaker 1: Interesting, And uh, what how did that change?
Speaker 2: How did that change?
Speaker 1: Like did you just gotta you just got a job
Speaker 1: that's more predictable?
Speaker 4: Well, I think, okay, So there's like I I got
Speaker 4: sober four years ago, So I guess that was like
Speaker 4: one of the first things that like sort of was
Speaker 4: like a bid to make my life more stable.
Speaker 1: What it inspired you to get sober?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 4: Mainly because I was gonna die. Yeah, I was like
Speaker 4: pretty sure I was gonna die, either from drugs or
Speaker 4: just killing myself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1: Can I ask what drugs? You were addicted to a whole.
Speaker 4: Lot of things most most of everything, uh, but primarily
Speaker 4: like and means, uh, loved ketamine, loved drinking, Yeah, love
Speaker 4: smoking weed.
Speaker 1: What were you and you're now you're you're gone from
Speaker 1: all those you don't smoke, you don't drink, you know,
Speaker 1: And were you like trying to get away from something?
Speaker 4: I think I well, I mean getting away from myself.
Speaker 4: My friend actually sent me something recently that's like the addict,
Speaker 4: Like the addict lives away from oneself. Yeah, so I
Speaker 4: was completely empty internally, because my entire life has just
Speaker 4: been just bids to try to get away from what
Speaker 4: it's like being inside of myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I said some There was a kid
Speaker 1: who just sat down before you and uh, he was like,
Speaker 1: how you doing? And I was like, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: him the truth, and I was like, I just went
Speaker 1: in to buy a Nintendo Switch to feel something.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, does that ever happen to you?
Speaker 1: And he was like nah, he walked away, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I think I was doing that to
Speaker 1: try to get away from myself. I mean I've done
Speaker 1: that with like drugs too. But I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just always I'm familiar with the idea of like
Speaker 1: you're trying to get away from yourself in some sense,
Speaker 1: and then you want to try to make what's the
Speaker 1: what's the process for you been like off trying to
Speaker 1: make your brain a place where you don't want to
Speaker 1: get away from.
Speaker 4: I think, you know, it's I think part of it's
Speaker 4: my environment, like figuring out, like you know, what what
Speaker 4: do I really like what makes me whole? What are
Speaker 4: the things in my life that like I need to
Speaker 4: like feel complete and for me that's like I'm an extrovert.
Speaker 4: I love being around people. I charge around people. So
Speaker 4: I think that's one thing that I like try my
Speaker 4: best to like make attempts to like constantly feed that
Speaker 4: part of myself. And then also just like you know,
Speaker 4: they're just some things in my life that just make
Speaker 4: me happy. And if I can like do those with
Speaker 4: some frequency, I'm happy.
Speaker 1: What are those things?
Speaker 4: Let's see, I'm a professional yoyaer, so yeah, it's my
Speaker 4: favorite thing in the world. I love to yo yo,
Speaker 4: I love yoyo wing. And that's just something that like
Speaker 4: sort of in a very uncontroversial, easy way makes me happy.
Speaker 4: I play a lot of magic gathering, started getting back
Speaker 4: into that, starting to crack open my dungeons and dragons,
Speaker 4: hyper fixation, Like all of those things like make me
Speaker 4: happy in a very just like easy way, and they
Speaker 4: also all involve community and like the sort of larger
Speaker 4: more conceptual ideas as to like what makes me feel whole.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh I love that. I love that so much.
Speaker 1: So was it hard getting sober? Uh?
Speaker 4: I think the uh getting sober was hard. Staying sober
Speaker 4: has been harder. Yeah, yeah, I think staying sober is
Speaker 4: a lot of maintenance. And it's a lot of things
Speaker 4: that I'm not always especially when things are like fine.
Speaker 4: It's just things that I'm not always like super inclined
Speaker 4: to do.
Speaker 1: Like what.
Speaker 4: Without getting too into the details of what I do,
Speaker 4: I think, you know, like there's a lot of things like, uh,
Speaker 4: I'm trying not to like break my animinity on a
Speaker 4: very specific thing, but uh.
Speaker 2: I do appreciate.
Speaker 4: I have to, like, you know, keep in touch with
Speaker 4: people who are part of my support system, which is
Speaker 4: something I'm not always like inclined to do. If things
Speaker 4: are going well, I have to like make sure that
Speaker 4: I'm being of service to other people. And like I
Speaker 4: work as like a mental health and substance abuse counselor so,
Speaker 4: like I'm around early early addiction all the time, and
Speaker 4: like it's easy for me to like stay in the
Speaker 4: mindset of like, oh, this is something I should obviously
Speaker 4: stay away from, but it's very easy for me to
Speaker 4: focus just on their problems and like completely forget about
Speaker 4: the fact that I suffer from the exact same problems.
Speaker 4: I'm just several years separated from those problems. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: can I ask how old you are?
Speaker 2: I'm twenty three years old.
Speaker 1: Cool, and so you got sober when you were in nineteen.
Speaker 2: I got sober when I was nineteen, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you were mainly like in your addiction phase
Speaker 1: when you were like a kid.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, I started using when I was like thirteen fourteen,
Speaker 4: and then things got bad around sixteen. And you know,
Speaker 4: like I am that, I am someone who like crashes
Speaker 4: very quickly, So I knew I was an addict probably
Speaker 4: by the time I was fifteen years old, and like
Speaker 4: was like very aware of that fact about myself and
Speaker 4: my my dad's been sober for years, so I've just
Speaker 4: been sort of always aware of the fact that like
Speaker 4: drug addiction and getting sober is something that I either
Speaker 4: would deal with or just have to do at some
Speaker 4: point in my life. And it was almost like an
Speaker 4: aspiration growing up because I was like, oh, I feel
Speaker 4: so terrible inside of my unmedicated, sober self that like
Speaker 4: obviously makes sense that I'd like, you know, like this
Speaker 4: is the thing that's gonna work for me. And it
Speaker 4: did for like years, like drinking drugs that absolutely worked
Speaker 4: for me, until it stopped working for me. And like
Speaker 4: once it stops, like things got you know, things just
Speaker 4: it was bad already but you start to see how
Speaker 4: bad things are, and like I was just lucky enough
Speaker 4: to like see it enough that I had the moment
Speaker 4: to be like, all right, I'm done, Like I'm out,
Speaker 4: Like I can't do this anymore.
Speaker 1: And so what's your what's kind of your dreams for
Speaker 1: the future? Man?
Speaker 4: What are my dreams for the future. Well, there's like
Speaker 4: big dreams and small dreams, right, And I'm trying to
Speaker 4: like let go of the idea of like you see,
Speaker 4: I don't know what my life's going to be. I
Speaker 4: don't really want to know what my life's gonna be.
Speaker 4: I've completely bought out of I've fired myself as like
Speaker 4: the arbiter of my own future. Sure, I just want
Speaker 4: to be a person who helps other people. I want
Speaker 4: to be kind to other people and whatever that leads
Speaker 4: me to whatever vehicle in my life that allows me
Speaker 4: to do that most effectively. I would like to continue
Speaker 4: doing that. But I also would like to make finals
Speaker 4: at the national yoyo contest next year. So that's a
Speaker 4: more like that's a more physical dream that we can
Speaker 4: point at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so great, do you have like a like can
Speaker 1: people follow you if they want to see your yo yo?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: They can.
Speaker 4: My instagram is a finite wizard, so like a wizard
Speaker 4: with limited capabilities.
Speaker 1: The finite wizard.
Speaker 4: Finite wizard. Yeah, not that, but just finite finite wizard,
Speaker 4: yeah wizard.
Speaker 1: And how did you get into yo yo ing? I
Speaker 1: feel that's very niche.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay. I got into yo ing when I was
Speaker 4: twelve years old. I my little brother like got one,
Speaker 4: and I like picked it up and I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is kind of cool. And I looked it up
Speaker 4: on YouTube and I saw this yoyo er named Andrew Mader,
Speaker 4: who was the second best yoyoer in the United States
Speaker 4: in the year twenty fifteen. And I saw a video
Speaker 4: of him yo yo ing online and for some reason,
Speaker 4: something clicked to my head where it's like, if I
Speaker 4: can do this, if I can do what he's doing,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna like, I'm gonna be so happy with myself.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna feel so whole with who I am as
Speaker 4: a person. And something about just the hobby made so
Speaker 4: much sense to me.
Speaker 1: Now, what do you think about I have you ever
Speaker 1: seen the yo yo ball?
Speaker 2: The yo yo ball?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: How what do you feel about?
Speaker 3: Yoyo ball?
Speaker 2: Is bullshit? Fake ass?
Speaker 4: Yo yo, fake ass yo yo, get a real yo yo,
Speaker 4: learn some tricks.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, I used to love the
Speaker 1: yoyo ball because it's like the yo yo, but it's
Speaker 1: like it's like if a yo at training wheel.
Speaker 2: Yes, no, exactly, exactly yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now do you have like a particular color of yoyo
Speaker 1: that you like or do you like the like what
Speaker 1: is it? What's the word for it? The ones that
Speaker 1: you went yo? You know, the shit you scratch and
Speaker 1: it makes like a DJ sound.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, uh, well, there's the one I have.
Speaker 4: So I have a signature colorway of a yo yo
Speaker 4: that's just silver with kiss prints on it. Cool, but
Speaker 4: I like on stage, I like using raw yo yo's
Speaker 4: or like silver yoyo's like raw analyzed because I think
Speaker 4: it looks really good. But otherwise I like using like
Speaker 4: I just like any color that's pretty. I don't like
Speaker 4: anything too busy. I like things that are simple but
Speaker 4: also pretty. My friend Remy made a yoyo with like
Speaker 4: that looks like an Italian espresso machine with like red
Speaker 4: caps and stuff.
Speaker 2: It's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, cool, cool, cool man, that's awesome. So so you
Speaker 1: work as as an addiction counselor yes, I do. What
Speaker 1: kinds of things do you do to kind of help
Speaker 1: other people who are dealing with what you deal with?
Speaker 4: So my job, like ninety percent of my job is
Speaker 4: so I work at at a pretty low level position.
Speaker 4: I sort of just started my job sort of. I'm
Speaker 4: like a concierge for people that live in a sober
Speaker 4: living home. So my job is just to sort of
Speaker 4: help people on like a day to day basis, whether
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, just the nuts and bold stuff
Speaker 4: like handing out medication, you know, like conducting your an
Speaker 4: analysis tests all that stuff, making sure that the clients
Speaker 4: are safe. But in like a larger level, ninety five
Speaker 4: percent of my job is helping people who have lived
Speaker 4: a very isolated life find a form of community. Sure,
Speaker 4: because community is like if you are trying to get sober,
Speaker 4: trying to make a major change in your life, I
Speaker 4: think like getting a community that's based on accountability and
Speaker 4: like working together is like gonna get you eighty percent
Speaker 4: of the way there for like maintaining sobriety.
Speaker 2: That feels so nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah we're getting hit by a little wave of a
Speaker 1: win from the fountain.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Community is really important. I mean, that's why like AA
Speaker 1: and all that stuff is very popular. Were you ever
Speaker 1: into any of those things?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: No, I guess I'll just say I attend to A frequently.
Speaker 4: It's like a super helpful program for me. It's like
Speaker 4: how I found the community that like help's where I
Speaker 4: found a lot of good friends. It's where I've found
Speaker 4: this sort of like guidebook to what helps me stay
Speaker 4: sober one day at a time.
Speaker 1: What is the like, do you follow the twelve steps?
Speaker 4: I do, follow the twelve steps. I've done the twelve steps.
Speaker 4: I take guys through the twelve steps. Yeah, what do you?
Speaker 7: Uh uh?
Speaker 1: What are the twelve steps?
Speaker 4: The twelve steps are essentially a loose collection of suggestions
Speaker 4: designed to basically like give someone like a rubric for
Speaker 4: like what they need to do to like make a
Speaker 4: like start sustained change in their life. So it starts
Speaker 4: with it's sort of none of them. It's not actually
Speaker 4: AA's own thing, like it sort of is like a
Speaker 4: mishmash of like things from various religions and various different
Speaker 4: sort of like spiritual movements up until the nineteen thirties.
Speaker 4: So it starts with just like admitting you have a problem,
Speaker 4: and then it starts with like admitting that you are
Speaker 4: not going to be the one to solve that problem,
Speaker 4: and then it sort of goes into I'm not gonna
Speaker 4: go into the whole details about it. Probably I shouldn't
Speaker 4: have even said I was in AA, because like that's
Speaker 4: part of it.
Speaker 1: But well, you're allowed to say you're in it.
Speaker 2: I'm allowed to say him in it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I am, But like you know, I just
Speaker 4: I think part of it is that, like I'd never
Speaker 4: want to be a spokesperson for something that like, uh,
Speaker 4: well I view you right.
Speaker 1: Now as being a spokesperson for yourself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I am, And AA works for me. It has
Speaker 4: been the best thing ever for me. It's awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's I've met some people who it doesn't work for
Speaker 4: and they have great sobriety and have been able to
Speaker 4: find perfect lights.
Speaker 2: But for me, it's been like the best thing that's
Speaker 2: ever happened.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's really awesome. Yeah, so great. And I
Speaker 1: I noticed you got a homie here. Who's Who's Who's
Speaker 1: this good?
Speaker 2: This is my buddy, Caleb Seneca. What's up?
Speaker 1: Very nice Caleb. How do you guys know each other?
Speaker 4: Me and Caleb met on a modeling set three years ago. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: and we fell off for two of those years, and
Speaker 4: then we reconnected when we moved back into the city,
Speaker 4: and uh we've been locked in ever since.
Speaker 2: You're still a model uh here and there.
Speaker 4: It's like my it's like a it's like a thing
Speaker 4: I keep on the back burner always.
Speaker 2: I enjoy the.
Speaker 4: Job, it doesn't add too much stress to my life.
Speaker 4: I'm apparently can still do it, so I enjoy it.
Speaker 4: But that's not like my main thing I enjoy.
Speaker 1: So you said that, like, yeah, that life is very
Speaker 1: stable now in a way that it didn't used to be.
Speaker 1: How are you enjoying that stability compared to what I
Speaker 1: assume used to be a more chaotic way of living.
Speaker 4: So, if I think of my life's sort of goal
Speaker 4: and purpose to be as helpful as possible to other people,
Speaker 4: when my life is stable, there's a lot less I
Speaker 4: need to focus on. Like I'm not like constantly in
Speaker 4: like in like need to fix everything mode with myself.
Speaker 4: I need to just kind of like you know, like
Speaker 4: uh let things, you know, I can like let things
Speaker 4: sort of like work on their own in my own life,
Speaker 4: and that allows me to like be of service to
Speaker 4: other people in the best way possible. Like, you know,
Speaker 4: like being able to show up for other people is
Speaker 4: like one of the first steps like making me feel whole.
Speaker 1: In what ways do you try to show up for
Speaker 1: other people?
Speaker 4: I mean, I think so like my job obviously is
Speaker 4: some level of showing up for other people, but that
Speaker 4: also I'm paid for it, so that doesn't feel necessarily
Speaker 4: like the same thing. But I think something as simple
Speaker 4: as like, uh, I like so I in the yo
Speaker 4: yoing community recently, I decided it'd be cool if I
Speaker 4: like helped yooers pick out their outfits for when they
Speaker 4: go on stage, like if there's like a big like
Speaker 4: competitive aspect to it, and like that's been a really
Speaker 4: cool process and it's a sort of like a dumb thing.
Speaker 4: It's like it's objectively ridiculously silly, but it is fun
Speaker 4: to like help people like, uh, you know, like look
Speaker 4: the best they can and like feel really good in themselves.
Speaker 4: So that's like been like a most recent example, but
Speaker 4: also just like very simple things like you know, like
Speaker 4: being able to be of counsel to my friends as one.
Speaker 2: But also just like.
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of small things that I
Speaker 4: try to do, whether it's just like being there to
Speaker 4: be just like a sounding board for my friends, or
Speaker 4: being someone as simple as like if I'm able to
Speaker 4: do something that my friend maybe can't do or is
Speaker 4: in a position where like he just like physically can't
Speaker 4: do except but work. Like recently, I'm in an apartment
Speaker 4: hunt right now, so being able to, like, you know,
Speaker 4: I have some free time during the day, so being
Speaker 4: able to like go on those tours and like try
Speaker 4: to be of service in that way, you know, it
Speaker 4: sort of like comes up as super case by case. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 4: it's been a really nice talking to you, really nice
Speaker 4: talking to you. It is your name again, Archie.
Speaker 1: Archie, Archie. You've You've inspired me today.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: I appreciate I'm inspired by the positive outlook you have
Speaker 1: on on on life and on yourself. And uh, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try to take that with me beyond this conversation.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Man, Thank you very much for anything else.
Speaker 1: Do you want to say to the people of the
Speaker 1: computer before we go?
Speaker 4: Let's see, Uh, you know, like today's beautiful day, every
Speaker 4: day live, one day at a time. I don't know,
Speaker 4: like that's the best way to do it live, one
Speaker 4: day at a time. I appreciate it. Man, Thank you
Speaker 4: so much.
Speaker 1: Chie'll see you around the universe.
Speaker 2: I see around the universe, dude, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Bye, Acchie. That was a good conversation. I enjoyed. Uh.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed talking to him. I don't know if we're
Speaker 1: trying to think if I have any post interview thoughts,
Speaker 1: but uh, yeah, I was inspired by his message. I
Speaker 1: love a good life transformation. I love a good before
Speaker 1: and after, and I love that he's you know, keeping
Speaker 1: on keeping on. Oh Hey, what's your name, man, James, James.
Speaker 1: Nice to meet you. What's up? James? Has life going?
Speaker 1: It's going well? Actually, yeah, tell me? Why tell me more.
Speaker 6: I went out last night in Brooklyn.
Speaker 3: It was fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you get? Totally totally wasting. I was
Speaker 1: having a good time, okay around.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're filming a video for this dude's music.
Speaker 1: Wait you're oh, you're filming a video for which guy?
Speaker 3: This is Jack?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: This guy?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: What kind of music does he make?
Speaker 5: Pop?
Speaker 1: And you want to tell you want to talk about
Speaker 1: your music? You said, think justin Timberlake and Perell. Okay,
Speaker 1: what and so how do you know this guy through him? Okay,
Speaker 1: my favorite. Just hold the mic.
Speaker 6: He's my childhood best friend.
Speaker 1: Oh okay.
Speaker 6: These are his friends from college. And I know was
Speaker 6: this in the city and he was like, Yo, you're
Speaker 6: in the city. Come come till we're gonna.
Speaker 9: See this music video.
Speaker 1: So what's the video about.
Speaker 6: It's gonna be for his song. It's gonna be promoting
Speaker 6: for a song.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, Jack, do you want to come talk? Yeah,
Speaker 1: have a have a talk. Come, I have a seat,
Speaker 1: we'll have the we'll have the We'll love the man himself.
Speaker 6: Talk.
Speaker 1: Nice to meet you, sir.
Speaker 6: Yo.
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 10: Man?
Speaker 1: What's your name?
Speaker 6: My name is Jack?
Speaker 3: Jack.
Speaker 1: Nice to meet Oh Jack, youman favorite? Just hold the mic.
Speaker 1: Out of there we go. What's up? Jack has life?
Speaker 1: So you got a whole, You got a whole You're
Speaker 1: you got a whole entourage.
Speaker 6: Man, we gotta we kind of put it team together.
Speaker 1: Yeah what so who's who all is in the team?
Speaker 1: Who are these guys?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 6: You know, I'll make music. He makes it with me
Speaker 6: as Zan Jake. So I like social media kind of
Speaker 6: head guy Rocco's photography and co director.
Speaker 1: You got a social media guy, You got a you
Speaker 1: got a Roco on the team.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's on me a long time to find somebody
Speaker 6: named Roco.
Speaker 1: But how did you build this whole entourage?
Speaker 6: Fell together? Okay, I guess I don't know.
Speaker 1: And how long have you been making music?
Speaker 5: For?
Speaker 6: As long as I can remember? Probably started it around
Speaker 6: like twelve thirteen.
Speaker 1: Very nice, very nice? And how's how's the lifestyle?
Speaker 6: I'm exhausted. I live in Philly and I commute to
Speaker 6: New York every day.
Speaker 1: Oh really, wait, why do you commute to New York
Speaker 1: every day?
Speaker 2: I worked?
Speaker 6: I worked the studio job for a long time. Okay,
Speaker 6: got a second job. I teach music in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: Now, oh so nice.
Speaker 6: So now I'm moving up here in about eight days.
Speaker 1: Philly is a great city.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: He used to live in Philly. You used to live
Speaker 1: in Philly, Philly. I used to live in North Philly.
Speaker 1: I went to college at Temple University.
Speaker 6: Oh damn. We went to Drexel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh you went to Drexel. Okay, so you're in
Speaker 1: there more than Debt, dude. Drexel is so expensive. It's
Speaker 1: more expensive than like the IVY leagues.
Speaker 6: It's crazy. And my program director is still talking about
Speaker 6: budget cuts to me.
Speaker 1: But so what is this video about today?
Speaker 6: Colors, bright colors, outside.
Speaker 8: Fun?
Speaker 1: What what inspires your music?
Speaker 6: I just like dancing, and I feel like people don't
Speaker 6: play the kind of music that I like dancing to.
Speaker 6: And it feels like we kind of used to have
Speaker 6: a different vibe going on. A lot of people are
Speaker 6: trying to bring back what's going on with like you know,
Speaker 6: early two thousands hip hop R and B Phurrel Neptune's
Speaker 6: kind of production, and that's the same thing we're doing.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you're trying to make So you're making the
Speaker 1: kind of music that I danced to at my bar
Speaker 1: mitzvah kind of a thing.
Speaker 6: That you know what, I'm gonna go with that?
Speaker 1: I like, well, no, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: like like I got a feeling like you're doing that.
Speaker 6: I don't know less will I am or uh usher
Speaker 6: all right, justin Timberlake, Okay, I don't know something like that.
Speaker 1: So why why were you commuting for so long instead
Speaker 1: of just moving?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 6: Because my rent was about to triple just for moving here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, unfortunately, but you got all these guys. You're not
Speaker 1: living with these guys.
Speaker 6: Oh, they're they're all aside from the Rocco unit, they're
Speaker 6: all from Philly, so that we're moving. They all came
Speaker 6: up on the train this morning.
Speaker 1: Couldn't you guys all? I feel like, can't you guys
Speaker 1: all just get one like giant ass place and each
Speaker 1: pay like seven hundred or something.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm trying to work them into it. They
Speaker 6: keep trying to tellbody they want to finish their degree.
Speaker 1: But man, are you guys? You guys should drop out
Speaker 1: dream you're only young ones.
Speaker 6: I'm trying to say, yeah, he graduated though, so I
Speaker 6: can't talk okay, And are you the only What are
Speaker 6: your contemporaries doing?
Speaker 1: What are your what are you peers doing?
Speaker 6: What are my peers doing?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I got a roommate that works at Lockheed Martin full time.
Speaker 1: Now, okay, so you gotta make a living somehow.
Speaker 6: I don't know he's making he's making a living off
Speaker 6: the bombs.
Speaker 1: Very nice? Has a how's your love life going?
Speaker 6: Oh, I'm I'm a flying solo. I guess I don't know.
Speaker 5: Have you?
Speaker 1: I feel like just but just like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: You're like a cool rapper guy?
Speaker 2: Do you not?
Speaker 1: Does everyone not like is are there not a line
Speaker 1: of people in love with you?
Speaker 6: I would I would think going to a bar and saying, hey,
Speaker 6: i'm a i'm a I'm ake I make beats, I
Speaker 6: make music might not exactly be my my best my
Speaker 6: best line being honest. Perhaps I've I've been told I've
Speaker 6: been giving negative reviews. Wait tell me, have you have
Speaker 6: you tried that? Have you been at have you been
Speaker 6: at a bar? And you're like, oh, I make music. No,
Speaker 6: It's more often, like I don't know, It's more often
Speaker 6: somebody will kind of drag me into something.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, dude, do I talk to him? He
Speaker 1: makes music?
Speaker 6: Should have a ball I have to pick up now?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, But that's but that's the best of both worlds,
Speaker 1: right because you get to brag, but you also get
Speaker 1: to be humble.
Speaker 6: Is it bragging if it's like my third and fourth job?
Speaker 7: I think so?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think so. I think that the fact
Speaker 1: that you are doing something is inherently in and of
Speaker 1: itself worth worth value. I appreciate that depending on whether
Speaker 1: I mean not not necessarily dependent on whether or not
Speaker 1: you make money off of it.
Speaker 6: Fair I appreciate that. Yeah, I agree, Yeah, don't know.
Speaker 6: I'm not making money off YouTube for Spotify, I'll tell
Speaker 6: you that. So are you all for the love of
Speaker 6: it at this point?
Speaker 1: Are you going to miss Philadelphia?
Speaker 6: Oh my god? Yeah, it's so much fun it is.
Speaker 6: I grew up in Houston, so like, I've been in
Speaker 6: the Northeast for like five years, and yeah, Philadelphia's got
Speaker 6: so much character. I'm gonna miss it a lot. I
Speaker 6: you know, beer tastes different in Philly.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, they got the city wise, they don't
Speaker 1: really have a citywise.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's my thing.
Speaker 1: The citywide is the beer. No, it's it's the shot
Speaker 1: and then the beer. Yeah special. Yeah, and they'll do
Speaker 1: I don't know, little themes to it. So look Corona
Speaker 1: tequila whatever.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's fun.
Speaker 6: I like it.
Speaker 1: What's what's next for you?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 1: After your after after this music video?
Speaker 6: Uh, I gotta get back home because I gotta move.
Speaker 6: I'm trying to get approved in an apartment and then
Speaker 6: I'm moving.
Speaker 1: Up your solo that because do you know anyone else here?
Speaker 6: I know a couple of people, but they all got
Speaker 6: their own arrangements and nobody wants to live where I
Speaker 6: want to live.
Speaker 1: So where do you want where you're gonna live.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be in Brooklyn, Okay, well, Bushwick probably Bedstark, that's.
Speaker 1: Why that's that's around where I'm at bedsty Dang. Man,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of cicadas flying by all the time.
Speaker 6: So you're looking for a roommates.
Speaker 1: Oh, I already live in a place. But if not,
Speaker 1: you know you're supposed to come. I'll come over. We
Speaker 1: can share a fridge, Okay. I can have some of
Speaker 1: the food that you put in your fridge sometimes and
Speaker 1: then you can have my You have some of the food.
Speaker 1: I have some saracha sauce. That's all. It's in my fridge. Man,
Speaker 1: my fridge is if you look, two beers and a fridge. No,
Speaker 1: not too, it's two beers and a uh and sacha.
Speaker 1: So yeah, this guy just laughed a lot. Oh thanks
Speaker 1: that guy. You know that guy is over there.
Speaker 6: You got big fans.
Speaker 1: Well, what's your name again?
Speaker 3: Jack?
Speaker 7: Jack?
Speaker 6: Jack? What?
Speaker 3: Uh uh?
Speaker 7: Jack?
Speaker 1: Give me something for the universe, man, Something for the universe.
Speaker 1: Mean something for the universe. You're an artist. You make music.
Speaker 1: Give us some hope, give us something.
Speaker 6: For the universe. For the universe, it's crazy where the
Speaker 6: Epstein files?
Speaker 3: Jack?
Speaker 1: Is that your name?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm horrible names. My brain well, my brain is melting.
Speaker 1: But Jack, very nice to meet you. I'll see you
Speaker 1: around the universe. And good luck, brother, I'll be checking
Speaker 1: out you. You can plug yourself if you want.
Speaker 6: My name is Jack Iris. I'll make music. I'm from Texas.
Speaker 6: Uh if you like, you don't have to call about
Speaker 6: usher and for h listen to me. Cool.
Speaker 1: That's it, beautiful. Nice to meet you, man, see you
Speaker 1: around the universe later on letter on good luck. I'll
Speaker 1: see you guys of course. Bye, guys here, have a seat.
Speaker 1: What's your name? Man, My name is Jason. Jason. What's up, Jason? Okay, Jason.
Speaker 1: Before you sat down, you said I got a lot
Speaker 1: to say. I have a lot of resentments.
Speaker 3: Now I just feel like anything you ask me, I
Speaker 3: gotta answer for.
Speaker 1: You don't have to do anything. This is a public park.
Speaker 3: Oh you ask me anything, I gotta answer.
Speaker 1: Okay, what do you have resentments for?
Speaker 4: It?
Speaker 1: You mentioned having resentments?
Speaker 3: Do I have resentments? Yeah? I think they left. They left.
Speaker 3: I'm alright, I'm alright. Sometimes they come and they go,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm just like over here wandering around west for
Speaker 8: not much going on, riding my bike everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah what so the resentments they come and they go
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah, it's like a cycle.
Speaker 8: Yeah no, I'm matter of fact, shout out to the
Speaker 8: family court. What is family court is where they decide
Speaker 8: you can see your kid or not?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, and they like always pick the woman. It's
Speaker 8: like really unfair over there?
Speaker 1: Is that what you don't have to talk about if
Speaker 1: you don't want it, you know I.
Speaker 8: Could talk about it. Yeah yeah, I'm like dealing with that.
Speaker 8: They got me on child support and then the girl
Speaker 8: she wants they garnished in my check right, oh yeah
Speaker 8: for child support, and then she don't want to let
Speaker 8: me see the kid. But she's okay with taking the money,
Speaker 8: but she don't want to let me see the.
Speaker 1: Kid if they garnished your wages. But you can't see
Speaker 1: the kid.
Speaker 8: Like they let me see him. But she's trying to
Speaker 8: take my rights away. And she made like false allegations.
Speaker 8: She says, I'm crazy, where where's the kid is here?
Speaker 1: And he's over here and they.
Speaker 3: Moved to Staten Island out of all man all borrows.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear that. Man, Yeah, it's just one kid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she said, I'm crazy, But how old is
Speaker 3: the child? He's eight? He's eight, So I'm crazy to
Speaker 3: see my kid, but not to send eight hundred dollars
Speaker 3: a month?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 11: Well?
Speaker 1: How you even? I mean, you know again, we can
Speaker 1: talk about it if you want.
Speaker 3: Your how you're not gonna talk about anything?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What have you been like holding up?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 3: I've been acting a.
Speaker 8: Little Kanye Kanye, Like, I've been storming the courts. They're
Speaker 8: telling me lawyer is like fifteen thousand dollars. I'm not
Speaker 8: paying a lawyer. I'm like, how can somebody change the results?
Speaker 1: Is that what acting Kanye is?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 8: No, I've been like storming them. I've been like harassing
Speaker 8: the courts, like speaking my truth, Like.
Speaker 1: This interview is not this isn't gonna be bad for you,
Speaker 1: is it?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, okay? You know calling the cops on
Speaker 1: the cops? How do you call the cops on the cops?
Speaker 8: Like when the cops ain't behaving, I call other cops
Speaker 8: just try to correct them. And like then I go
Speaker 8: over there every day as soon as they open, and
Speaker 8: every conversation I have, I make sure they know this.
Speaker 3: This is serious. Yeah, but I don't know you asked me, bro,
Speaker 3: I'm just.
Speaker 2: What do you been like?
Speaker 1: I mean it's a difficult situation.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, but.
Speaker 3: I'm good though, because I used to be like a
Speaker 3: drug addict.
Speaker 1: Okay, what do you are? You off of drugs now?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think I saw them other kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, there's another guy actually go to the same program.
Speaker 1: Oh you did? Yeah, okay, cool?
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right. I don't know his story. But if
Speaker 3: you end up in that program, ship was not going well?
Speaker 1: You know, Okay, are things going better.
Speaker 3: For you now?
Speaker 2: I mean way better?
Speaker 3: Like when you're not doing cocaine? Things are better?
Speaker 12: Man?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What like I mean, okay, I know it's hard. I
Speaker 1: know you're in a tough situation. But what's been Has
Speaker 1: there been things that are positive that you're looking?
Speaker 3: Everything is actually positive?
Speaker 7: Really?
Speaker 8: The only thing that's like a little inconvenience Okay, but yeah,
Speaker 8: like I used to.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know anything about addiction and
Speaker 3: stuff like that. I mean, like you know, like the
Speaker 3: fannel epidemic.
Speaker 1: Yeah I know.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so it's like when you're addicted to that stuff
Speaker 8: is like it literally controls you. You know, of course
Speaker 8: you wake up like with these cravings and like you
Speaker 8: need to get it, you know, and now just be
Speaker 8: riding my bike everywhere because you know, my license suspended.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Queens. I live in Queens.
Speaker 1: So how long have you been off of the fedanel
Speaker 1: for three years?
Speaker 3: Three years?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And has it have you replaced it with anything that's
Speaker 1: like like positive?
Speaker 8: So I can't like, I don't really like sit I
Speaker 8: don't watch TV because I don't know how to like
Speaker 8: sit down and like pause. Yeah, I feel so as
Speaker 8: soon as I wake up, I make like my espresso coffee,
Speaker 8: or I gotta start running, or I gotta start go
Speaker 8: to the gym. I bike everywhere, you know, and I
Speaker 8: work now, and I you know, I might. I'm able
Speaker 8: to save my money, you know.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 3: I mean I don't save I buy a bunch of shoes.
Speaker 1: You buy shoes.
Speaker 8: I buy shoes and clothes, get necessary tattoos.
Speaker 1: That's okay, you gotta listen, man. I here's like I'm
Speaker 1: I am a strong proponent of like saving money, trying
Speaker 1: to be financial independent or whatnot. But sometimes when when
Speaker 1: life text is told on you, you got to find
Speaker 1: those little things to make you happy, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 8: I look at it like, hey, you can save money,
Speaker 8: but you also could be doing cocaine and risking your life,
Speaker 8: you know, like right, And when I put it like that,
Speaker 8: it's always like, you know what, Yeah, I'm about this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, but this is weird.
Speaker 8: There's still always something left over, like you know, like
Speaker 8: I save a little bit, like I don't know when
Speaker 8: I want to, you know, but there's something safe, you know.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you got any questions.
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, I got plenty of questions.
Speaker 8: I got you on Instagram. Oh you do have some
Speaker 8: funny stuff. Oh thanks man for ship that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I come here. I come here like once a week
Speaker 1: now and every people like you know, well, I'm curious.
Speaker 1: I'm curious about a lot of things. So okay, so
Speaker 1: life is good because you feel you're sober. Yeah, do
Speaker 1: you do anything? Do you so you know, no drinking,
Speaker 1: no smoke or anything.
Speaker 3: No, No, I don't even want secondhand smoke.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 8: Like I always wanted we to be legal, and now
Speaker 8: I'm like, fucking make cancel that shit again.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm like, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 8: I became like a Karen about my sobriety because oh yeah,
Speaker 8: you know, Karen's.
Speaker 1: Is not good.
Speaker 8: But it's like sometimes that's the way I feel. It's
Speaker 8: not on purpose, it's just like serious to me. Well,
Speaker 8: let's talk about this.
Speaker 1: So the other guy, he was talking about escaping yourself, right,
Speaker 1: and you're talking about drugs or a use of escaping yourself.
Speaker 1: And I and I'm I've never been addicted the fentanyl
Speaker 1: or whatever, but I'm familiar with like doing things and
Speaker 1: in some sort of attempt to like escape yourself, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: And so did give is that what you did? You
Speaker 1: find yourself trying to escape yourself.
Speaker 8: So in the beginning, it was just like there was
Speaker 8: nothing to do, you know, you start smoking weed, drinking,
Speaker 8: and I never felt like like it was controlling me.
Speaker 8: But when the hard drugs came in, like oxy, coldon
Speaker 8: and cocaine, it got to a point where it.
Speaker 3: Was not an option no more, you know.
Speaker 8: And at the very end, I realized you kind of
Speaker 8: realize what you're doing something for when you stop doing it,
Speaker 8: you know, because you're always giving yourself what.
Speaker 3: You need, you know, like like let's say you always
Speaker 3: got a frou.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, can you just hold the mic up right, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8: You realize you always got a fridze full of water
Speaker 8: and anytime you need it you just go there. Right,
Speaker 8: But let's say you don't have no water for a
Speaker 8: whole week. You realize how thirsty you are why you
Speaker 8: drink water and stuff like that. So when you like
Speaker 8: stop consuming and using, you realize like, oh shit, I
Speaker 8: am lonely. Oh shit, I kind of hate myself. Oh shit,
Speaker 8: I don't know how to be around social activities. But
Speaker 8: it's not for everybody, and everybody has to get sober,
Speaker 8: you know, you, But it's okay to like, I feel
Speaker 8: like it's good to speak about.
Speaker 3: It like me, because there's a lot that can't handle
Speaker 3: it and they just like, nah, this can't be me.
Speaker 8: I don't have to stop this, and it's just better
Speaker 8: like to just realize if you're the person that could
Speaker 8: use safely or drink safely, then to like think you're
Speaker 8: not and keep ruining your life, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So how did you learn to do? You still hate
Speaker 1: yourself some some not not really hate.
Speaker 8: Some days I have like self pity, you know, but
Speaker 8: it's not as it's not as low, you know, it's
Speaker 8: not as low.
Speaker 1: How did it get not as love? How did it improve?
Speaker 3: It's like it's like more level.
Speaker 8: It's probably a couple of hours or I probably just
Speaker 8: go for a run or I slip it out and
Speaker 8: like it changes pretty quick, not like before, like you're
Speaker 8: with withdrawing, it lasted weeks and months. You know, it's
Speaker 8: like more human itself. But yeah, yeah no, but I
Speaker 8: don't want to make this depressing. You know, I'm I'm
Speaker 8: a pretty exciting person telling me about Dominican Yeah, you know,
Speaker 8: the only thing I missed about using drugs.
Speaker 3: He used to freestyle a lot, you know, I used
Speaker 3: to you can you you haven't been able to free.
Speaker 8: I like, yo, something's missing here, man, it's not the same,
Speaker 8: you know. Yeah I used to be that guy. Just yeah,
Speaker 8: there's a lot of I know what they do that
Speaker 8: around here or Union Squah Square like that, just come
Speaker 8: to random people, like give me a topic, you know,
Speaker 8: and yeah they got the Dominican Parade tomorrow, know if
Speaker 8: you know about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah that's a big parade.
Speaker 1: So wait, so you can't you don't feel like you
Speaker 1: can freestyle as well when you're not on drugs?
Speaker 8: And I could it just it just doesn't dot fun.
Speaker 8: You know, it's just like he's just I just got
Speaker 8: my little vape. It's like it's cool, but it's not.
Speaker 8: It don't hit like cocaine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, sure, No, A lot of great ideas. I
Speaker 1: think we're formed on cocaine. I mean, like ninety nine
Speaker 1: percent of that's what they're all doing. Cocaine and fucking
Speaker 1: Silicon Valley. That's how they came up with Facebook.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I miss being around the girls and stuff,
Speaker 3: you know, being in the night scene.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 8: Sure, Now I'm like Moran. A lot of spiritual girls
Speaker 8: and stuff. They say they're spiritual.
Speaker 1: I don't know, are you see around a lot of
Speaker 1: like what are you not a girls in recovery?
Speaker 8: You know?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah sure yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8: They don't look bad, but you kind of gotta respect
Speaker 8: the program, yeah, of course, and respect like your own sobriety.
Speaker 8: You know. It's like it kind of don't look right
Speaker 8: because I do care about my sobriety, and it's like.
Speaker 3: If you kind of use.
Speaker 8: Your your like your recovery or your sober thing, oh
Speaker 8: to get that girls. Yeah sure, it kind of looks
Speaker 8: a little a little a little hinge. Yeah what I'm saying,
Speaker 8: you got to church, and you at church and you're
Speaker 8: there for girls. You understand it's kind of disrespecting God.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I understand. But you you get a strong
Speaker 1: relationship with God.
Speaker 3: It's it's it is there. Yeah, I got a relationship, man.
Speaker 1: What's that? What's that look like?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I pray in the morning, I get on my
Speaker 3: knees every day, and I do meditation.
Speaker 1: I do a gratitude list. What was on your gratitude
Speaker 1: list today?
Speaker 3: What's on my gratitude list?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have one today?
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I gotta do a gratitude list because I got
Speaker 8: a lot of ship to complain about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I gotta at least started with the things.
Speaker 1: Do you do the scratch your list every morning?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, let me get let me hear this morning.
Speaker 8: You know that's pretty simple, you know. Grateful to be sober,
Speaker 8: Grateful that I have access. I spoke at a meeting
Speaker 8: this morning. Okay, like my my, you know my story. Yeah,
Speaker 8: Grateful that I'm showing up even if I don't want to,
Speaker 8: for sleep, a place to lay my head, music, coffee,
Speaker 8: my son, my bike.
Speaker 3: Oh, and these stickers I puts on the bike.
Speaker 1: Is it the one that says uh, specialized wheel on
Speaker 1: the wheel? Oh, the one that says robo Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh I like those those are cool and.
Speaker 3: I gotta I gotta TikTok.
Speaker 8: I make like dark comedy, dark comedy on sobriety, Like
Speaker 8: we just kind of make like being an addict is
Speaker 8: pretty funny.
Speaker 3: Like this ship that people do to get high.
Speaker 8: Sure, it's like fucking you buy something for three hundred
Speaker 8: dollars in that fucking six in the morning, You're like, yo,
Speaker 8: I'll give this shit for forty I don't care.
Speaker 2: Right now, can I?
Speaker 1: If only if you want to share it? But what's
Speaker 1: the funniest thing you've done to get high? Ooh da,
Speaker 1: I gotta think about it. I don't know if to
Speaker 1: get high, but to prove that I'm sober.
Speaker 3: I think about this.
Speaker 8: So I had my rehab and I had to get
Speaker 8: drug tested every week with where my you know, urine.
Speaker 8: So somebody told me you could ask somebody for the urine.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So I called my little brother. He was about like
Speaker 8: twelve years old, and I'm like, we have I'm gonna
Speaker 8: give you twenty dollars tomorrow.
Speaker 7: I need you.
Speaker 3: He's like, you need me. No, He's like, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I need your urine. And I put my brother through that.
Speaker 8: I was driving at the time, and I picked them
Speaker 8: up at like around seven in the morning. Posy, if
Speaker 8: the piss is warm, it's like more legit, you know,
Speaker 8: you just it out. So we lived in Queens in
Speaker 8: this in the rehabits. All the outpatient was over here
Speaker 8: in the city. So I literally brought him with me
Speaker 8: so the pists can stay out of warm temperature, you know.
Speaker 8: So I'm I gave I gave him a cup and
Speaker 8: I'm like, take a pic.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 8: I find this funny. Man, like you literally just kidnap
Speaker 8: your brother for his piss, you know. And uh and
Speaker 8: he just like my little brother. He's like, this is
Speaker 8: my big brother. I look up to him, and you know,
Speaker 8: he pissed in the cup and he did everything right.
Speaker 1: Did you end up passing the tests?
Speaker 3: I passed passed, But I wasn't expecting this. I was
Speaker 3: high at the moment. Hope. It's supposedly they lower your
Speaker 3: blood pressure.
Speaker 8: And the guy while he's like taking my blood, he's like,
Speaker 8: your pressure is like I don't know, high or low,
Speaker 8: but it was what it was not supposed to be.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I have this part of the test.
Speaker 1: How did you get the peak? Because don't they make
Speaker 1: you go into it? Like how did you get the pee?
Speaker 1: And they was too strict, they let you go to
Speaker 1: the bathroom by yourself. So I had the little the
Speaker 1: little cup and I had it. I put it inside yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I just one, two, three, put it in
Speaker 1: the cup and I gave it to you. So I
Speaker 1: passed and the guy looked at me weird, but he
Speaker 1: didn't give me a hard time because it's like it
Speaker 1: was just blood pressure.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I drink a lot of caffeine, you know,
Speaker 3: and what else I have I done?
Speaker 12: Man?
Speaker 8: Oh, you know, I don't even think it's probably some
Speaker 8: funny stuff, but there's a lot of embarrassing things, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 8: but it's all good though. It's all good though, not
Speaker 8: like embarrassed. You know, like everybody got a story human life.
Speaker 8: I just feel like people don't talk about this.
Speaker 3: So the TikTok I have, I kind of like every
Speaker 3: sound on TikTok you can find.
Speaker 8: A way to make it your own, right, And I
Speaker 8: just like like make like I write something about like addiction,
Speaker 8: you know, like when you're trying to get in contact
Speaker 8: with the plug at six in the morning and he
Speaker 8: tells you to meet him up at his house and
Speaker 8: then when you get there, he.
Speaker 3: Don't pick up. Yep, it's not a good feeling. What
Speaker 3: else is funny? My bad?
Speaker 8: You asked me some questions, bro, I don't know about
Speaker 8: if I'm getting you both time. One time, my friend
Speaker 8: I called him at like three in the morning. He's like,
Speaker 8: I'm up. And then I get to his house to
Speaker 8: buy some stuff, and the desire to use to get
Speaker 8: high was so strong that I'm like, yo, I just
Speaker 8: got to this guy's house.
Speaker 3: He's not picking up.
Speaker 8: I'm blasting his phone, calling him on Facebook, Instagram, even
Speaker 8: my Space, man like I need to get in contact
Speaker 8: with this guy, you know.
Speaker 3: And then he doesn't answer. So I try to climb.
Speaker 8: I climb through a big gate and I try to
Speaker 8: open his window and his father comes in, like at
Speaker 8: seven in the morning. He's like what are you doing.
Speaker 8: I'm like, your son, he's not picking up the phone,
Speaker 8: but he's like what are you doing? Like how you
Speaker 8: got back here?
Speaker 3: He's like, can you please leave? You know? And I left,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 8: But now that I think about that. That's a little
Speaker 8: I don't think that's normal behavior.
Speaker 1: You know, like it probably wasn't. But I think part
Speaker 1: of you know, that's part of looking back on past behavior. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that probably wasn't normal. But like when you're I think
Speaker 1: when you're in something like that, you have you have
Speaker 1: no discernment.
Speaker 3: You gotta do what you gotta do to survive.
Speaker 1: Well when you yeah, when you're in something like that,
Speaker 1: you're like, you just have no discernment. You just start
Speaker 1: going through whatever it is that your brain is fucking
Speaker 1: telling you to do. And then you mature and you go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was fucking stupid, you know, But then you that's
Speaker 1: part of life. I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: And then this one is a little dark. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm telling you too much.
Speaker 1: Man, only if you will if you want, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you I'll disclaim I put this on the internet. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: tell me if you watch, you know, if there's other things,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 8: But you know, in Queens, prostitution is real big okay,
Speaker 8: And when you get cocaine, you get real horny.
Speaker 1: Sure you can talk about this like that. You you
Speaker 1: you're talking about whatever you want to.
Speaker 8: Mind you don't mind talking about like horniness and all that,
Speaker 8: but you know, people get horny, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people get horned. That's part of life. Yeah, normal
Speaker 1: you can yeah we're not so when.
Speaker 3: You get horning, but you can't get hard.
Speaker 8: So it's like you have the strongest desire to do something, yeah,
Speaker 8: and then this it's gone.
Speaker 3: So they used to be this thing called like back page.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you find like escorts, and every time he showed up,
Speaker 8: it was never the girl in the picture. Sure so,
Speaker 8: and I knew it was never the girl in the picture.
Speaker 8: So I used to get a hide just by calling
Speaker 8: the number and having hope that it actually was her. Yeah,
Speaker 8: And I will call like fucking like thirty numbers in
Speaker 8: one night.
Speaker 1: And you would never meet any of the like sometimes
Speaker 1: that would me like if they keep Sometimes they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is her, this is her.
Speaker 8: I'm like, this is the one with the pink hannies.
Speaker 8: They're like, yeah, it's her, it's her, and I will
Speaker 8: go over there. It was never heard, and I was like,
Speaker 8: I'm not doing this last thing. I'm gonna say this
Speaker 8: might be funny or I don't know. They supposedly like
Speaker 8: a mafia cartel with these people, you know, they traffick
Speaker 8: people and all that. And they sent me so I
Speaker 8: cancel a girl right like they brought her to me
Speaker 8: and I'm like, that's not the girl, bro.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 3: They got upset.
Speaker 8: They're like, you wasted our time, and they sent me
Speaker 8: pictures of people's heads cut off Jesus and like slaughter.
Speaker 8: But you could tell that the pictures were like probably
Speaker 8: in Mexico, you know, they do that type of stuff.
Speaker 1: Okay, And I was a little scared.
Speaker 8: I'm like, and they started harassing me and telling you
Speaker 8: got to pay us their money.
Speaker 7: What did you do?
Speaker 3: I basically got wasted their time?
Speaker 1: No, I mean did you pay them money?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: No, it's just like you didn't. You lied to me.
Speaker 3: You gave me a menu, and when you know I
Speaker 3: asked for a burger, you brought me a vegan burger.
Speaker 1: So how did you So you were at a point
Speaker 1: where you were like I'm done, I just come and
Speaker 1: fucking kill me. But now you want to live? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to live now?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 1: How'd you get there?
Speaker 8: You know? It's like I don't wake up miserable every day,
Speaker 8: you know, like I actually got a lot of things
Speaker 8: to look forward to.
Speaker 3: I got a lot of shoes to wear that I
Speaker 3: haven't had time to wear.
Speaker 8: It's weird things like that, you know, like they say
Speaker 8: material things that, like it's not the most important things.
Speaker 8: But sometimes you who knows, you got a new game,
Speaker 8: you might want to play that game before you die.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, things like that.
Speaker 8: And I never really wanted to die, you know, but
Speaker 8: the way I was living, when I was living like that,
Speaker 8: it could probably get you there. You know, if you
Speaker 8: like wasting your your whole life and wasting your check
Speaker 8: that quick, and like you don't have self respect for yourself.
Speaker 8: You look at yourself in the mirror, you look unhealthy
Speaker 8: and all that, that could probably get you to that point,
Speaker 8: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, hmm hmm.
Speaker 8: But yeah I live Uh I don't know if that
Speaker 8: helps out, but yeah, I live over there by you know,
Speaker 8: city Field.
Speaker 3: No Corona, by the met Stadium.
Speaker 1: Oh no, uh no, I don't, I don't. I'm not
Speaker 1: in a baseball guy, but I know what the metsa are. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I live by their stadium. Okay, yeah, yeah, by the
Speaker 1: Seven Trains. So what what are you looking forward to
Speaker 1: in life these days?
Speaker 3: Right now? Right now? I don't really know, man, like
Speaker 3: things are good right now.
Speaker 8: The thing is, you know, like I feel like a
Speaker 8: lot of stuff is a scam right now. This thing
Speaker 8: is like built for us to fail.
Speaker 1: What's what's a scam?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 8: It's like one job can't even get you an apartment,
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. It's like all these things.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I don't really know what I'm looking for.
Speaker 8: But I think this generation has a lot of what
Speaker 8: I'm not saying you but a lot of us Like
Speaker 8: it's just it's kind of hard out here, you know,
Speaker 8: but I'm not I'm not like really like struggling, like
Speaker 8: I could go eat do whatever, but not like like
Speaker 8: real big goals, like real real big a cheese ones.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think our generation is definitely like having problems, like
Speaker 1: you know whatever, having wanted to have a kid, or
Speaker 1: get married, or have a house or do all these things.
Speaker 8: This this guy, this Dominican do in Spanish, He's like
Speaker 8: he made it sound like he's like, you know, I
Speaker 8: could go to my country today, you know, and I
Speaker 8: could live for the rest of my life only if
Speaker 8: I die by tomorrow at seven seven thirty am.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So basically you can listen to the rest of his life.
Speaker 8: So it's like one of those you know, you kind
Speaker 8: of just get used to it, you know, you just
Speaker 8: kind of but things are way better, man, Like, things
Speaker 8: are way better, you know.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I'm a I don't know you deal with
Speaker 3: social media. I'm asking you a question.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 8: Sure, I'm bad because I got this TikTok and I
Speaker 8: got like I managed to get like in twenty twenty
Speaker 8: two when I wasn't working in the dark comedy. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and I man to got like almost thirteen thousand followers
Speaker 8: and like one hundred and sixty six thousand likes. Okay,
Speaker 8: but like the shame or something of over like the
Speaker 8: overthinking of knowing that even.
Speaker 3: Though I'm being perceived, yeah, like your videos are being watched.
Speaker 8: And then when I saw like people that know me
Speaker 8: in real life see my videos. Like I was cool
Speaker 8: with people that I don't know, like talking about all
Speaker 8: this and see my bit. But when I saw real people,
Speaker 8: I saw like a little Yeah, I don't want you
Speaker 8: guys to see it. But I don't know how you
Speaker 8: deal with it, Like you kind of gotta be yourself,
Speaker 8: you know, how you deal with like some days like
Speaker 8: at night, you know, maybe you have too much caffeine
Speaker 8: and you overthink about like yo, what.
Speaker 1: I oh sorry, basically asking me, how do you not
Speaker 1: ever think? Yeah, yeah, about the social about social media.
Speaker 8: Like social media and the content always being out there,
Speaker 8: because like I did it.
Speaker 1: But like I mean, you put your phone down, man,
Speaker 1: you walk outside here, let me just let's let the
Speaker 1: videos spin. Yeah yeah, I mean you can't ever think it.
Speaker 1: I mean I do ever think it plenty, but like
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I believe me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, coming from the outside is not that deep. It is,
Speaker 3: believe me. Like it's I think it's in it's in
Speaker 3: the person's head, like I see other people doing. I
Speaker 3: don't think anything bad. I'm like, this is fucking great.
Speaker 1: Well, also, like nobody cares about you. Nobody cares, nobody.
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's both. It's both. It's both a tragic
Speaker 1: fact and a beautiful fact that nobody really cares about you.
Speaker 3: And this guy was literally screaming it don't really matter.
Speaker 1: Nobody cares. Yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, nobody cares.
Speaker 1: Nobody listening to you, nobody. Everyone has their own life,
Speaker 1: everyone's doing their own things. So you know, man, what's
Speaker 1: your name again? Jason Jason, Jason, dude, thanks for I
Speaker 1: really appreciate your your vulnerability and your honesty. I appreciate
Speaker 1: you sharing your story with us here. I hope it
Speaker 1: was a positive experience for you. Yeah, and I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Is Is there anything else you want to say to
Speaker 1: the people of the computer before we get out of here?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Yeah, right now, bro, we here were just follow my
Speaker 8: TikTok Sober Facts, Sober Facts, and in my Instagram, I'm
Speaker 8: doing content like I ride my bike like real crazy sure,
Speaker 8: like really get into traffic and all that. You know,
Speaker 8: I've still got to do crazy stuff in the extent,
Speaker 8: you know, like thissk my life and stuff. Okay, I
Speaker 8: got a little constant Yeah you always you always end
Speaker 8: up you know. There was something Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I got the go pro I put it on it.
Speaker 8: Okay, yeah, yeah, Now I appreciate you brought on. Really
Speaker 8: got much to say, you know, I'm grateful. We what
Speaker 8: was this Washington, Washington Square Park? Yeah yeah, shout out
Speaker 8: to Corona Queens. You know, hopefully this video goes up,
Speaker 8: you know.
Speaker 1: Weird walking wrong reveal. Jason, Nice to meet you, man,
Speaker 1: Stay uh, stay safe, okay, don't don't don't crash your
Speaker 1: bike and kill yourself or anything.
Speaker 6: Hi.
Speaker 1: What's your name?
Speaker 10: My name is Ellen, Ellen.
Speaker 1: Nice to meet you, Lyle, to meet you. How's life going?
Speaker 10: That's going great?
Speaker 1: Wait, tell me more. That's such a h That was
Speaker 1: like an instinctively positive answer.
Speaker 10: My mom vacation with my family. We're having a great
Speaker 10: time with friends.
Speaker 1: That's so awesome. Well, how how like how long have
Speaker 1: you had a family?
Speaker 10: I have a ten year old and a twelve year
Speaker 10: old and I've been married for fourteen years.
Speaker 1: Was that any of that difficult?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Was it all?
Speaker 1: Was it worth it?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Would you do it again?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 1: Do you have any advice for someone trying to like
Speaker 1: start a family or like, who's like just started a family?
Speaker 10: Communicate and she be honest.
Speaker 1: Has your like communication with your family gotten like like
Speaker 1: better over time? Yes?
Speaker 10: It has.
Speaker 1: How are they your like children?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: I have a question because you have like kids?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 1: Your kids are like a little older, you know, Like,
Speaker 1: are you are you worried about the future or do
Speaker 1: you think everything will be all right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 10: I worry.
Speaker 1: What do you worry about?
Speaker 10: I worry about that there's too much access to things.
Speaker 1: Well, tell me more.
Speaker 10: With the internet, with social media. I worry about their
Speaker 10: mental health.
Speaker 1: Are you do your kids seem like they have like
Speaker 1: good mental health?
Speaker 10: Yes? But I seemed like that too, And then you know,
Speaker 10: it gets life gets hard.
Speaker 1: When you were ten, what do you remember about your
Speaker 1: life for like, when you were your kid's age.
Speaker 10: When I was ten, it was easy.
Speaker 1: Life was easy.
Speaker 10: Life was easy.
Speaker 1: Do you think life was easier for you than that
Speaker 1: it is for your kids now?
Speaker 11: I don't know.
Speaker 10: Maybe it was less complicated.
Speaker 1: What era of your life has been the least complicated?
Speaker 10: Probably my childhood does right.
Speaker 1: Now feel complicated?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 10: Yeah, you gotta work and take care of your work
Speaker 10: and take care of your family.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's complicated, but see you seem like you're having
Speaker 1: a great time things are. Now there's my family, there's
Speaker 1: your family. Well, I'll let you go, unless if you
Speaker 1: want to keep talking.
Speaker 10: I'm just talking about life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking about life.
Speaker 10: You know, a get go about life?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is that your husband?
Speaker 10: That's my husband and my daughter?
Speaker 1: Had you had you and your husband made at a bar?
Speaker 1: You guys have met at a bar. Don't you ever
Speaker 1: think about it? Didn't you ever think about crazy?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Oh if I just stayed in that night, my whole
Speaker 1: life would be different. Isn't that crazy? What did he
Speaker 1: first say to you at the bar?
Speaker 10: You're too old and too smart?
Speaker 2: He said that to you.
Speaker 11: Yeah, he only dated young girl. Oh, my son really wet.
Speaker 11: He only dated young girls. And I was getting my
Speaker 11: master's degree, So he said I was too old and
Speaker 11: too smart.
Speaker 1: He said you were too old. Were not offended when
Speaker 1: he said you were too old?
Speaker 10: No, I just showed him that I was better than
Speaker 10: all those girls.
Speaker 1: Okay, very cool? Hmm. And what was it like a
Speaker 1: Is it like in a college.
Speaker 10: Town or was it in Hermosa Beach, California?
Speaker 1: For most of Beach, California? Very nice? What was your
Speaker 1: first date after the bar?
Speaker 10: Do you remember a restaurant by in Hermosa?
Speaker 1: What made you fall in love with your husband?
Speaker 5: When?
Speaker 1: When was the moment?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 10: Oh, there's Danny.
Speaker 1: His honesty, his honesty. I guess, I guess the fact
Speaker 1: that he came up to you and immediately said you
Speaker 1: are too old is an indicator of some form of honesty.
Speaker 10: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Well, this is your whole family.
Speaker 10: No, we're we're heading to Cooper'stown.
Speaker 1: Oh the base here, Oh, you got a whole clan.
Speaker 10: I got a whole there's more.
Speaker 1: Are they troublesommer? Are they well behaved? There?
Speaker 10: Well, I'm a principle of an elementary school, so.
Speaker 1: There was the principal of elementary school.
Speaker 10: Well really, I'll mess those kids up if they mess around?
Speaker 1: Really have you?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 1: Do you do you rule with an eye and fist
Speaker 1: or do you rule with compassion?
Speaker 10: Compassion?
Speaker 1: That's nice? What's the number one? What's what's the number
Speaker 1: one issue that like kids are facing these days? From
Speaker 1: from what you observe at.
Speaker 10: The school I work at, They're they're entitled.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think more so than like when when when
Speaker 1: you were a kid?
Speaker 10: What do your parents are? Lawnmower?
Speaker 11: Parents like to plow down all the obstacles in front
Speaker 11: of them so they don't have to deal with adversity. Interesting,
Speaker 11: and then they don't learn how to deal with struggles.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 10: Okay, I gotta go.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well it was very what's your name? Ellen? Ellen?
Speaker 1: Very nice to meet you, and thank you very much
Speaker 1: for chatting with a Get go. You have a great
Speaker 1: life too. I'll see you around the universe. What a
Speaker 1: nice uh, what a nice guest appearance from a from
Speaker 1: an elementary school principal. That was a good interview. Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm Nicole, Nicole. Nice to meet you to meet. What's up, Nicole?
Speaker 1: How's it, how's it going? How's life?
Speaker 3: What's nice?
Speaker 1: What's happening?
Speaker 12: Life is great? Life is great.
Speaker 5: Well, I was just watching people waiting around in the
Speaker 5: fountain without shoes on.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I've seen so many people watching watching their goocha's just
Speaker 5: squatting over the you know the stream.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I get reels of that all the time.
Speaker 5: But I haven't seen this fountain in person, so I
Speaker 5: was just kind of like waiting to see if somebody
Speaker 5: would pop a squat, but so far, no luck. Only
Speaker 5: people waiting around without shoes on, which is also a choice.
Speaker 1: Do you live around here?
Speaker 7: I do?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And what do you go to school?
Speaker 6: You do?
Speaker 1: What do you go to school for?
Speaker 12: I'm a grad student in opera?
Speaker 1: You're a grad student in opera?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So are you like an opera singer?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 12: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Cool?
Speaker 12: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What you seem embarrassed about it?
Speaker 5: It's a very niche interest, extremely niche. Yeah, extremely niche.
Speaker 5: But I am a master's level.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. How your how do you keep your voice
Speaker 1: in check?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 5: I try not to smoke very much. I try to
Speaker 5: do vocalese like warm ups and stuff. I try to
Speaker 5: I try to keep a regular practice schedule, but it's
Speaker 5: the summer, so things are a little bit loosey goosey.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, Now, what's the hardest part about
Speaker 1: being an opera singer?
Speaker 5: About being an opera singer, probably h I think it
Speaker 5: really depends on what kind of opera singer you are.
Speaker 5: For me, like, I'm a soprano, and so you know,
Speaker 5: most opera singers are sopranos. But if you're a tenor,
Speaker 5: if you're a guy, you've got a lot more opportunities.
Speaker 1: So you are in a area with a lot of
Speaker 1: other opera singers, right.
Speaker 12: Which is great, Like that is the best part for me.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like ranger guys. I'm wondering if they're
Speaker 1: gonna I've never ever in my life Beten kicked out
Speaker 1: of this park, but I'm curious. Wait, they're walking past them.
Speaker 12: Have you done a lot of interview is in this park?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: This is the one place. Every single other place I
Speaker 1: go to in the world to do this, I end
Speaker 1: up eventually getting kicked out, but never at this part.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, just look around. There's a woman behind
Speaker 5: us with like two parrots sitting on her shoulder.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 1: Oh, holy shit, there is a moment behind us with
Speaker 1: two bards. Yeah, okay, I gotta go talk to her
Speaker 1: after this. You got this is myself. I don't even
Speaker 1: have to record it.
Speaker 12: I was just wandering. I I wandered in like waiting
Speaker 12: to see something crazy going on.
Speaker 1: So okay, remember I was gonna ask you the opera
Speaker 1: scene Like the other people, there are opera singers cool?
Speaker 1: Or are they like theater kids? What's the demo, what's
Speaker 1: the vibe, what's the scene?
Speaker 5: You know, a lot of there's a lot of crossover. Yeah,
Speaker 5: a lot of a lot of opera singers start as
Speaker 5: theater kids. Because I mean in your your hometown, is
Speaker 5: there an opera is there? Is there an opera stage?
Speaker 5: Probably not, but there's probably a community theater, so there
Speaker 5: there does tend to be the ven diagram is almost
Speaker 5: a circle, I would say, yeah, which might be a
Speaker 5: controversial tape that you used to.
Speaker 1: Be a theater kid?
Speaker 12: Yes, yes I did.
Speaker 1: Do you still identify as a theater kid?
Speaker 5: I think a part of me does. I think a
Speaker 5: part of me really does especially being back in New York.
Speaker 5: I'm like, there's something that there's like a part of
Speaker 5: my child self that like is extremely excited to be
Speaker 5: here just for the clout, I would say, but also
Speaker 5: realistically in my adult brain, I'm like, I'm just paying
Speaker 5: a lot of money to live here and you know, exist,
Speaker 5: and so there's that.
Speaker 12: But it is great. It's a great city.
Speaker 2: I do love it.
Speaker 1: Does singing up or hurt?
Speaker 5: It shouldn't, but sometimes it do be hurting. And when
Speaker 5: it do be hurting, you gotta you gotta stop.
Speaker 1: What happens if you get like a cold, uh, you
Speaker 1: just get you just.
Speaker 5: Gotta either take steroids to try and suppress the symptoms
Speaker 5: to get you through whatever you're getting through, whether that's
Speaker 5: like a show or if you can, you just gotta
Speaker 5: take time off. Unfortunately, do you get grades, Like do
Speaker 5: you have like a person like you sit stand, you say,
Speaker 5: in a room and you sing and then someone go
Speaker 5: like checks or box around. That's literally what graduate opera
Speaker 5: school is like, Yes, like that. That is the majority
Speaker 5: of my classes is getting up. I mean we have
Speaker 5: to take theory and history and all of that good stuff.
Speaker 5: That does you know, that's a separate thing. But a
Speaker 5: lot of the classes are a person of the profession
Speaker 5: and they give you their hot takes, and it's very funny.
Speaker 5: Like the final for singers is called a jury, and
Speaker 5: you stand up in front of a room of older
Speaker 5: like musical people and they give you feedback. But you'll
Speaker 5: have one person give you the feedback of like, oh,
Speaker 5: this song you sang was great in your voice, good job,
Speaker 5: just work on this little thing. And then the next
Speaker 5: person will be like, that song you chose was terrible
Speaker 5: for your voice. I don't know who let you sing that.
Speaker 12: Girl you are you are doomed to failure.
Speaker 5: And then the next person will be like, everything was
Speaker 5: perfect except you mispronounced this word.
Speaker 12: In English?
Speaker 7: Is you know?
Speaker 5: And and but everything else was great. The feedback is
Speaker 5: like wildly different, and so it's kind of hard to
Speaker 5: take something away from it.
Speaker 1: So what's the ultimate goal? Is it like be in
Speaker 1: like the New York Opera?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean that would be wonderful. I actually enjoy
Speaker 5: higher education. So I do hope to be a professor
Speaker 5: someday of music and to carry on carry on the
Speaker 5: legacy of teaching this very.
Speaker 1: This might be a stupid question, but is can it
Speaker 1: can can the voice be taught? Is it not just
Speaker 1: something that one has it?
Speaker 12: It's both.
Speaker 5: I think our anatomy plays a large part in kind
Speaker 5: of where we start. Like if you know some some
Speaker 5: for some people, singing comes naturally. I think we can
Speaker 5: all we all know that, right, Like there are some
Speaker 5: people that we grew up with they just seem like
Speaker 5: they could always singing kind of thing, and then some
Speaker 5: people struggle more so, I think if you enjoy music
Speaker 5: and you enjoy singing, there's a lot that you can
Speaker 5: actually improve on. But we all come from different starting places,
Speaker 5: and I think generally the people who gravitate to opera,
Speaker 5: they usually were like, you know, like the theater kid.
Speaker 5: They got a lot of praise for their voice when
Speaker 5: they were younger, and so they grew up to pursue
Speaker 5: this thing. Like you don't usually see people pursuing opera
Speaker 5: who maybe like are just.
Speaker 1: In it for the people who sound like Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 5: Who sound like shit, but are in it for the
Speaker 5: love of the game, Like usually not so much. Usually
Speaker 5: that's more like casual.
Speaker 1: But yeah, what do you do outside of opera singing?
Speaker 1: Do you have hobbies of some kind?
Speaker 12: Yeah, I I am a learning how to tune pianos.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so I go, I do you tune them
Speaker 1: with your voice?
Speaker 5: Kind of it uses like similar muscles, I would say,
Speaker 5: I would say, because you have to. You have to
Speaker 5: recognize when something's out of tune, which most people can
Speaker 5: do that. Like you play a piano and it sounds
Speaker 5: like shit, like, oh, that needs to be tuned, you know.
Speaker 12: Same with singing.
Speaker 5: You you hear you hear someone singing out of tune,
Speaker 5: and you know, you know that that's happening, so you
Speaker 5: know it overlaps for sure. But yeah, I like to
Speaker 5: go in there and and take the guts out and
Speaker 5: fiddle around and try and put it back together and
Speaker 5: yeah mmmm and.
Speaker 1: A do you plan to stay here in New York
Speaker 1: City or would you go somewhere else to do your opera?
Speaker 12: I really want to stay here.
Speaker 5: There's a lot going on talking to you and Washington
Speaker 5: Square Park and you know, there's a lot to do,
Speaker 5: There's a lot of people to see. There's a lot
Speaker 5: of gooches to be washed in public fountains, Like where else.
Speaker 2: Do you get?
Speaker 1: I do really want to dive into this fountain? Do
Speaker 1: you want to go next?
Speaker 5: Sir?
Speaker 12: Oh?
Speaker 1: You wanted to. You want to photograph my hands? Okay,
Speaker 1: well wait, give me give me one, give me one moment,
Speaker 1: and then we can we can figure that out.
Speaker 12: Ye have beautiful hands.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's there's a gentleman who wants to photograph
Speaker 1: my hands. Nobody's ever asked me to photograph my hands before.
Speaker 12: Low key, that might be like kind of a fetish thing.
Speaker 1: So do you think it's a fetish thing? I don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't mind.
Speaker 12: Someone can to ask what are you gonna do with
Speaker 12: the photos?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just enjoy doing it.
Speaker 5: I can't deny that those are very lovely. They're very
Speaker 5: ergonomically shaped. You could hold a lot of different objects
Speaker 5: with those fingers.
Speaker 1: Do you photograph a lot of people's hands? Really?
Speaker 7: It's it's wonderful to see a possible story within those handes.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna have to like I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have would you would you be willing to
Speaker 1: sit down and tell me more about this hat? You
Speaker 1: don't want to sit down. I gotta know, I gotta
Speaker 1: know more about this hand photography business.
Speaker 7: Just short, I mean, I'm happy to show you one
Speaker 7: I did yesterday.
Speaker 1: Or the day before.
Speaker 7: It's up to you to construct this story that person.
Speaker 1: Wait, who's the last person whose hands that you I
Speaker 1: don't know anyone. I just do it, and do you
Speaker 1: just you go up to random people in the park
Speaker 1: and you ask them to if you can photograph.
Speaker 7: Walking on the street and other places of the city.
Speaker 1: Yes, can I see the most the best picture of
Speaker 1: hands that you have.
Speaker 12: You're gonna end up on Wiki hands the last one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, show me the last picture of hands that you took. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, all right in the meantime, Okay, I'll we'll
Speaker 1: chat while he's pulling with a hand picture. Has anyone
Speaker 1: ever asked you for a picture of your hands?
Speaker 5: I've tried to sell pictures of my feet, but I
Speaker 5: had no buyers. I had no takers really, So if
Speaker 5: you know anyone.
Speaker 1: Have you actually tried to sell pictures I have?
Speaker 12: Maybe it's because I have fat bunyans.
Speaker 1: I don't know where did you Where did you try
Speaker 1: to sell these?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 5: I had like a private Instagram account where I tried
Speaker 5: to sell, but again, like I don't think I was.
Speaker 12: I'm not tech savvy enough to like get into the
Speaker 12: right crowd, you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, I would, yeah, because there's definitely a there's definitely
Speaker 1: a business to it.
Speaker 5: Well, if anyone is really interested in asymmetrical bunyan feet,
Speaker 5: I can I have what they're I have the goods.
Speaker 1: If you genuinely want to, you can. You can uh
Speaker 1: plug your private feet Instagram if you really want to.
Speaker 5: You know, I think I deact. I let the dream die,
Speaker 5: but you're reigniting the dream. I'm wondering if he's going
Speaker 5: to ask for some some feet picks as well as hands.
Speaker 1: You can take pictures of my hands If I don't care,
Speaker 1: Let let you know what, let the universe use my
Speaker 1: body in whatever way is helpful choice. I don't care anymore,
Speaker 1: Just like let let your.
Speaker 12: Body is your art.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my body. I don't know if my body is
Speaker 1: my art, but my body is. My body is resources.
Speaker 1: It's carbon. Yeah, it's something if someone can use it
Speaker 1: to whatever their own. Further that like, if this guy,
Speaker 1: I don't know why he wants pictures of my hands,
Speaker 1: if he really wants to take pictures of my hands
Speaker 1: to you know what, I don't care. I would do whatever.
Speaker 5: Who cares about I'm a little offended he didn't ask
Speaker 5: for a photo of my hand.
Speaker 12: But I mean, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 1: Something special, Nicole, Nicole, is there anything? It's been lovely
Speaker 1: talking to you. I'm I'm, I'm I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: seeing all your hopes and dreams come true.
Speaker 12: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 1: people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 12: Wow? I guess like I would like to say, go
Speaker 12: to therapy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the real therapy, to real therapy, or.
Speaker 12: You know, just talk to chat gybt about you talk
Speaker 12: to chat.
Speaker 1: Gybt for therapy a lot.
Speaker 5: Oh, I mean it's I would say, it's a supplement.
Speaker 5: I think I need you know, I have O c D,
Speaker 5: so sometimes I just need the computer to tell me
Speaker 5: to stop right, Like, I find that it's useful for that.
Speaker 1: How does your OCD manifest itself the most?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: I have like moral OCD moral moral, like existential moral
Speaker 5: OCD in relationship OCD.
Speaker 1: Wait, what is existential moral OCDA?
Speaker 12: Doesn't it sounds No, it doesn't sound bake at all.
Speaker 1: No, I'm big on existential crap.
Speaker 5: Well, I so it manifests for me as like worrying
Speaker 5: about everything I do, negatively impacting either like the environments
Speaker 5: or other people. Oh, sure, Like I used to be
Speaker 5: really obsessive about like plastic use, and I used to
Speaker 5: not let myself drive anywhere just because I'm like, oh,
Speaker 5: but if I like buy this one plastic thing, like
Speaker 5: it's going to exist in the universe forever and it'll
Speaker 5: be my fault and I'll just like spiral out about
Speaker 5: that stuff.
Speaker 1: But so yeah, it's like that, or like, well, you've
Speaker 1: heard the phrase, you know what I'm gonna say, No,
Speaker 1: I guess what. There's there's a phrase that is the
Speaker 1: answer to this. I don't know, tell people there's no
Speaker 1: such thing as ethical consumption.
Speaker 12: Yes, of course I know, and that is sort of yeah,
Speaker 12: I and I didn't find that comforting.
Speaker 1: I heard that. I was like, I'm buying a switch
Speaker 1: to right now. I get me on.
Speaker 12: I'm logged into Amazon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm getting Amazon Prime immediately, I'm getting two of them.
Speaker 12: I'm yeah, ordering everything from Amazon.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, that's really fair, that's really fair. I think what
Speaker 5: helped me was medication and nothing else, honestly.
Speaker 1: Sure what kind of medication.
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm on, I'm on to Alexa and it's a
Speaker 5: SSR and I'm on well viutrin as well.
Speaker 1: Okay, I gotta give.
Speaker 12: It will make you sweat. I don't know like that.
Speaker 12: This what you're wearing now already looks a little bit warm.
Speaker 1: I'm already sweating too much. I yeah, I'm sweating too much.
Speaker 12: Well, are frogs supposed to be a little bit soggy?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 12: Frogs are notoriously wet creatures.
Speaker 1: I'm a gecko. Oh, it's on the side, the kind
Speaker 1: that out.
Speaker 12: Don't put that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Hey, what's up?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 1: Just look at this guy. You're awesome. Man, this guy's sick.
Speaker 12: I feel like I'm hugging your time.
Speaker 1: You're not hugging my time. I you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: what my time? Who cares you guys about anything?
Speaker 5: Dude? Okaystential morality, yeah, existential morality?
Speaker 3: Do you have you have you?
Speaker 1: Do you have you solved it? Or do you still
Speaker 1: feel No?
Speaker 12: I still feel that way.
Speaker 5: It's just not as debilitating because the meds like make
Speaker 5: me focus on other stuff more.
Speaker 3: I no.
Speaker 1: Hearing you say that, it's making me feel like it's
Speaker 1: making me feel good because I'm like, all right, maybe
Speaker 1: the meds could help me not foxate it on fucking
Speaker 1: whatever the hand the hands gentlemen is leaving you're not leaving,
Speaker 1: are you. We gotta talk about hands. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: we'll come. It's a baby, Okay.
Speaker 12: Did he end up taking a photo of your hands?
Speaker 1: He didn't end up taking a photo of my hand.
Speaker 1: I wanted him to come talk, and he talked a
Speaker 1: little bit, but he didn't. He didn't want to.
Speaker 12: I guess he's brave enough to ask for hand.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious now if he's walking around to
Speaker 1: other people asking him to take pictures of their hands.
Speaker 12: I bet he is sup an eye on that man.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you can take my photo. There's a there's
Speaker 1: a young lady with a silver nose. Wow, that looks interesting.
Speaker 1: It's moral, you know. I've thought about that before I've gone.
Speaker 1: I've gone into my head and I'm like, is there
Speaker 1: any way for me to exist that isn't horrible.
Speaker 12: That isn't harmful to other people?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think, I think. I think I honestly here. My
Speaker 1: thought process is that, uh, there's so many ways to
Speaker 1: be actively evil.
Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, I really are.
Speaker 1: There's so many ways to be Oh, oh, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. Uh, oh, thank you. That's so kind. She
Speaker 1: took a polaroid or a little a princey thingy, that's
Speaker 1: so kind, that's beautiful. I guess, and let's I guess
Speaker 1: unless if you're trying. I mean, there's people who are
Speaker 1: actively attempting to be evil.
Speaker 5: To be evil, yeah, but do they in their minds
Speaker 5: do they think of it that way, you know? Or
Speaker 5: do they just think, like, well, there's no ethical consumption
Speaker 5: in their capitalism?
Speaker 12: So I even try, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yes, I mean I don't know, like what, like
Speaker 1: what do you I mean you sing opera? Yeah, it's like,
Speaker 1: well you're not You're not fucking you know, going around
Speaker 1: beating the ship out of people.
Speaker 5: Like what what?
Speaker 3: What is that bad?
Speaker 12: That's true. I do try not to do that. I
Speaker 12: try to be a good person.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think there's I think there's strong
Speaker 1: value in the attempt of attempting.
Speaker 7: I think you do.
Speaker 1: I think you do your best, and then once you
Speaker 1: once you start getting your own brain and just trying
Speaker 1: to kill yourself over it, it's like, what are you
Speaker 1: even doing at that point? Who were you helping by
Speaker 1: just by just shaming yourself.
Speaker 12: For self flagellation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, become self fladulating.
Speaker 3: It's not helpful.
Speaker 5: I think that that is more helpful than saying there's
Speaker 5: no I think that the self flagellation not being helpful
Speaker 5: is probably the most helpful advice, just reminding yourself of that.
Speaker 12: But I don't know.
Speaker 5: For me, it's the meds. That's the only the only
Speaker 5: real real help that I've found.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I've been talking about ketamine therapy
Speaker 1: for a while. You've done it. Okay, all right, all right,
Speaker 1: this interview just got way longer because here's the thing.
Speaker 1: So I was, I went through some like existential depression,
Speaker 1: and I was like, and then I and then I
Speaker 1: started taking vibe ance and then for one month I
Speaker 1: felt amazing. In the month of June was the best
Speaker 1: I had felt in my entire life.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 1: I went on, I like, saw my friends. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm finally back. I finally, after just years of insanity,
Speaker 1: finally I have a people. You know, you know the phrase, oh,
Speaker 1: there's no there. Life is continuously rolling a boulder after hill.
Speaker 1: Not for me, I rolled the boulder on the hill.
Speaker 1: The bowler's on the top of the hill. It's gonna
Speaker 1: stay there forever. The month of June, everything's gonna be
Speaker 1: amazing forever. And now it's Li twenty whatever, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: fucking fuck, my fucking fuck.
Speaker 12: Are you still taking the Vivans?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I still take the vibans, but I'm like, oh no,
Speaker 1: And so now I'm like and so I was I
Speaker 1: was feverently researching ketamine therapy before this. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: now I'm go back. How was your keine therapy?
Speaker 12: It was very interesting. I loved it. I don't know, hmm,
Speaker 12: so I'd alreadyd.
Speaker 1: Did it solve all your problems forever?
Speaker 12: Shockingly? No? But I think it did help. You know
Speaker 12: what it did for me? Tell me it wasn't like
Speaker 12: an immediate.
Speaker 5: Fix to my depression, but it did shake up some
Speaker 5: things that I think I was not wanting to look at,
Speaker 5: like it definitely brought that to the surface.
Speaker 12: Do you want me to tell you about, like the
Speaker 12: whole experience do you want?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 12: Yeah? Like so I did, Yeah, like.
Speaker 5: A ketemine therapy that took place over the course of
Speaker 5: I think like three months where I would go into
Speaker 5: a clinic twice a week, so I would k hole
Speaker 5: twice a week. Yeah, I would take time off work
Speaker 5: k hole. My boss would let me go early from
Speaker 5: work to go k hole, and it was. I would
Speaker 5: go into a cozy little room and adminis self administer
Speaker 5: the nasal spray, and then I would just lay back
Speaker 5: on a couch in a dark room and think about
Speaker 5: my life, except I wouldn't really be thinking.
Speaker 12: I was more like falling.
Speaker 5: And then things that I feel like myself my subconscious
Speaker 5: needed me to examine more closely, would come to the surface,
Speaker 5: and then I would have like a trip that was
Speaker 5: centered around some issue that I wasn't like I wasn't
Speaker 5: examining enough in my non k hold state.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, interesting, And I did.
Speaker 5: That for three months. But I know there's a lot
Speaker 5: of variety to ketymine therapy. Like I've heard of people
Speaker 5: who will take a really low dose of it and
Speaker 5: go to and like have a therapist there and basically
Speaker 5: have like a talk therapy session with a really low
Speaker 5: dose of ketamine.
Speaker 12: That's not what I did.
Speaker 5: I was just they they locked me in a room
Speaker 5: and said cee in an hour. So I didn't necessarily
Speaker 5: have the like guidance of like, yeah, I want the
Speaker 5: one with the person that I But you know what
Speaker 5: I did, I found a way run. So I would
Speaker 5: schedule my therapy sessions for right after the K hole.
Speaker 1: Oh very so I would have the K hole.
Speaker 5: And then I would talk about it with my therapist after,
Speaker 5: and she said that those sessions are some of the
Speaker 5: most productive we'd ever had.
Speaker 1: So right, So, how are you doing now?
Speaker 12: I'm doing much better, doing much better.
Speaker 5: There's there's really something to be said for stability, even
Speaker 5: fleeting stability, the little Do.
Speaker 1: You feel stable?
Speaker 5: Yes, I just moved out of a really toxic roommate situation.
Speaker 5: So I have a one bedroom in New York City
Speaker 5: and I'm paying one thousand and three fifty.
Speaker 1: You pay a thousands girl? Oh about do you pay
Speaker 1: thirteen fifty for a one bedroom in New York City?
Speaker 5: I negotiated the rent down and it was not I
Speaker 5: did not use my feet picks to do so.
Speaker 12: That was not a bartering chip.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you pay you have a one bedroom
Speaker 1: for thirteen to fifteen year. That's insane.
Speaker 12: It was listed for really too.
Speaker 5: It's listed for under two k, which is still good
Speaker 5: for one bedroom here in Manhattan. In Manhattan, Yes, it's
Speaker 5: in Inwood, which I love. I love Inwood, Yes, and yeah,
Speaker 5: it's really north. It's basically as north as you can
Speaker 5: possibly get. While still technically being in Manhattan, but it's
Speaker 5: you know, it's along the one line. It's nice, okay,
Speaker 5: but yeah, I like I met the guy. He's I
Speaker 5: think he's from I think he's from Russia. And he
Speaker 5: he listed the apartment for like under two k and
Speaker 5: I went to visit and I was like, I'm not
Speaker 5: totally sold. And I told him I had another offer
Speaker 5: for like one thousand and three hundred, and he was like,
Speaker 5: if we match that price, would you come and live
Speaker 5: in our building?
Speaker 1: Do you have an offer for a thousand?
Speaker 12: The truth is out. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but the
Speaker 12: lease has been signed.
Speaker 1: So so okay, what else is stable with you?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 12: What else is stable? Well?
Speaker 5: I think so, I mean just having my own space,
Speaker 5: that's a that's a that's its own stability. Like I'm
Speaker 5: more comfortable isolation, I think just because of like the
Speaker 5: way my brain works. I think I function better when
Speaker 5: I have a lot of a loan time, So that
Speaker 5: for me is like a good source of stability. I
Speaker 5: am in a lot of student debt, but I mean
Speaker 5: that's consistent in like money coming in, even if it
Speaker 5: is loans that I'll probably never be able to pay
Speaker 5: off on.
Speaker 12: A professor's salary. But you know it's all good. So
Speaker 12: you know, I have the financial stability.
Speaker 5: I just.
Speaker 12: I have a lot of a lot of stuff in
Speaker 12: the works. I'll say, there's a lot of things bubbling.
Speaker 3: There's po.
Speaker 1: Switch pot excited about I'm excited about.
Speaker 12: The piano tuning pot.
Speaker 1: I'm excited about that.
Speaker 5: I'm excited about I'm excited about starting to teach teach again.
Speaker 5: I'm excited about that, teach voice lessons to kids. What
Speaker 5: else am I excited about?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I'm excited to be in the city in the summer,
Speaker 5: with a place of my own, and the only responsibility
Speaker 5: I have today is installing a shelf.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm happy to hear that things are
Speaker 1: going well for you. Everyone. Pretty much everyone who sat
Speaker 1: down to talk today seemed as though they were up.
Speaker 5: Yeah it's an upday' I mean, like this is the
Speaker 5: if you're gonna have an update in New York City,
Speaker 5: Like this is where all the people who are up
Speaker 5: are gonna come.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I mean, well this is a place
Speaker 1: where you go to get up.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Well, I I was just planning on walking through here.
Speaker 12: I wasn't even to be honest.
Speaker 5: I was sort of lying to at the beginning of this,
Speaker 5: saying that I came for the Gooch exposure.
Speaker 12: But I actually was not.
Speaker 1: I didn't think that you came here it.
Speaker 5: Oh you didn't take me literally, No, yeah, no, that
Speaker 5: was that was an exaggeration of the truth I did.
Speaker 5: I did recognize this fountain. Then I said, oh, that's
Speaker 5: the fountain where the guy was watching his goo chat.
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought this was the friend's fountain.
Speaker 12: I mean, you know a song by any other name.
Speaker 1: What's your name again, Nicole? Nicole, Nicole. This has been
Speaker 1: a great conversation. I very much enjoyed talking to you.
Speaker 1: I hope that I said this already when I when
Speaker 1: I was in first gonna end this conversation, But then
Speaker 1: you start talking about ketamine.
Speaker 12: I hope out.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try I think I'm gonna try it out.
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens.
Speaker 5: I don't think you'll have a bad experience. If that's
Speaker 5: what's been like, you've not wanted to fully.
Speaker 1: No, that's not been the main reason. There's a bunch
Speaker 1: of reasons I would not mind flick. But I'm gonna okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know right now, by my, my, my.
Speaker 5: My.
Speaker 1: Main form of SSRI right now has been this switch to.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna see how that works.
Speaker 12: I haven't tried that one yet, but I've heard good thing.
Speaker 1: Dude, I don't know. I wasn't gonna get it. I
Speaker 1: I thought that. I looked at the new Donkey Kong
Speaker 1: game and I was like, who is this guy? This
Speaker 1: is not my guy. This is a different guy. This
Speaker 1: is not Donkey Kong.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 1: Yes, I've heard, because they redesigned it. But now now,
Speaker 1: apparently I don't know.
Speaker 12: Because Donkey Kong woke, she woke.
Speaker 7: Now I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe he's woke. He looked a little like,
Speaker 1: actually he's less woke. His eyes are smaller, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, smaller eyes, smaller eyes conservative, So he's uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I don't know. Apparently it's good.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna tonight. I'm gonna.
Speaker 12: I'm surprised you were even able to get a switch to.
Speaker 1: I waited in line this morning this morning. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got connected to my inner child this morning. I was like,
Speaker 1: I haven't waited in line to buy a video game
Speaker 1: since nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 5: I don't think kenymine is gonna top that experience for you.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, it's not well.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. Maybe I'll do ketamine and
Speaker 1: play Donkey Kong and that'll work. Yeah that, you know.
Speaker 12: I never tried that, but I think if I tried
Speaker 12: that that much.
Speaker 1: Actually, that's how the guy from Friends died. So I
Speaker 1: don't want to do that.
Speaker 12: But oh really I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Okay, he was playing Actually I don't know if I
Speaker 1: don't know what he was doing, but he was doing
Speaker 1: he was doing ketamine outside of some form of record,
Speaker 1: outside of a medical.
Speaker 12: Are you being for real?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Oh wow, yeah wow, Okay, but you know, well yeah,
Speaker 5: I advocate for the safe use of ketamine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. I advocate for all safe good things.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna be fine. Everything's gonna be fun. Everyone
Speaker 1: in this park is gonna be fine. Everyone's up. So
Speaker 1: everyone's good. We're all getting switched to s. We're all
Speaker 1: uh getting beautiful families. Wow, we're all getting a wonderful
Speaker 1: fulfilling careers. Yes, yes, we're all getting ten million dollars.
Speaker 12: We're all getting our bunions shaved.
Speaker 1: Off, getting our bunions shaved off.
Speaker 12: Have you ever looked at what that surgery is like? No,
Speaker 12: I haven't either.
Speaker 1: It's fucking crocodile, dundee, dude, check this guy out. Oh
Speaker 1: never mind, never mind, I said, sorry, Yes, I said,
Speaker 1: I said it's crocodile, dundee. Check this guy out because
Speaker 1: you looked kind of like you had the Oh thanks,
Speaker 1: but I love your fit of course. Hey you too, man.
Speaker 12: I think that guy was trying to wrangle you.
Speaker 1: You're trying to wrangle me. Yeah, it looks like the crocodile.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I would watch it.
Speaker 1: We didn't have the hat.
Speaker 12: There's a lot of predators around here.
Speaker 5: I've noticed, like there's been two people who've come up
Speaker 5: to you while I've been in this chair who've wanted
Speaker 5: something from you.
Speaker 1: Dude, I don't know where the hands pick guy is.
Speaker 1: I gotta find them or maybe I don't.
Speaker 12: Just you should be safe, you know.
Speaker 1: I promised him a hand pick. I feel bad now
Speaker 1: if I don't give them my hands what's your name?
Speaker 1: One more time?
Speaker 12: I'm Nicole. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: You don't have to be sorry for anything.
Speaker 12: No, I don't have anywhere else to be such a
Speaker 12: yappy mood right now too.
Speaker 1: I started, honestly, honestly kind of at the very very
Speaker 1: very beginning of this podcast, I was like, Fuck, I
Speaker 1: don't think I have the energy to talk today, but
Speaker 1: I you know, we're gonna try, but.
Speaker 2: Towards and you.
Speaker 1: Normally what happens is the first half I have no energy.
Speaker 1: Though the first half I have a lot of energy,
Speaker 1: The second half I have no energy. Today's podcast was different. Today.
Speaker 1: I had a lot of less energy. The first half morega.
Speaker 1: The second half, Oh good, And now I feel good
Speaker 1: good you know what, Nicole, Yeah, everything's fine, Everything.
Speaker 5: Is fine, Everything is going to be fine. And I
Speaker 5: really feel that today I feel like there's an energy
Speaker 5: in the air. Sorry, I just caught a glimpse of
Speaker 5: like the shoe underneath the gecko foot, and I feel
Speaker 5: like I just saw like a peek behind the curtain.
Speaker 1: Faz shoes they break in one month. I buy a
Speaker 1: new one every month. I should just get a nicer
Speaker 1: pair of shoes that don't break down. But I'm lazy,
Speaker 1: and I is there a.
Speaker 12: Specific reason why, like that pair of shoes from Amazon.
Speaker 1: I just go on Amazon and search shoes. I'm not
Speaker 1: a fashion man.
Speaker 12: You could have fooled me.
Speaker 1: Because of the suit. Yeah, I wonder if there's a
Speaker 1: guy over here. He's holding a box of cookies. I'm
Speaker 1: wondering if if I let him sit down, if maybe
Speaker 1: he'll give me I think, I think Do you think
Speaker 1: you will?
Speaker 12: Yeah? I think you should take a chance.
Speaker 1: Enjoyed, Nicole? Is anything else? I say the people of
Speaker 1: the computer before we go to the people of.
Speaker 12: The computer, be boot boom bop be boot boop be bop.
Speaker 1: Don't know what that means.
Speaker 12: Don't know what that means?
Speaker 5: Computers, I speak, I speak computer, and yeah, I think
Speaker 5: all computers will understand.
Speaker 1: I'll throw that in Google Translate later.
Speaker 12: Good you should.
Speaker 1: I'll see her in the universe. I will, I will.
Speaker 1: Apparently they're worth Money's your name, Yuki? You get nice
Speaker 1: to meet you. I actually don't know if I have time. Well,
Speaker 1: let's do a quick wrap up, shall we. Okay, one
Speaker 1: thing that you want to say to the people listening
Speaker 1: up to this podcast before we go anything.
Speaker 9: Think about yourself first and only really Yeah, fun.
Speaker 1: Now I want to talk to you about more things.
Speaker 1: We don't have. How much power batter is on this guy?
Speaker 1: Seventeen percent? Okay?
Speaker 3: Cool?
Speaker 7: All right?
Speaker 1: Richall yu gi. Yeah, why why should we only think
Speaker 1: about ourselves.
Speaker 9: Because no one will will do it?
Speaker 1: Yes, it is.
Speaker 13: I mean at some point, even your parents think about themselves,
Speaker 13: I know, and they they should also live their own life.
Speaker 13: I know, because I need to understand that they also
Speaker 13: need to be like themselves and continue their lives at
Speaker 13: some point, and so you need to cut down when
Speaker 13: they don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we need So you need to.
Speaker 13: Do it yourself and think about yourself for your future
Speaker 13: life and et cetera.
Speaker 1: It is very true. I you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think my most of my life, I thought of
Speaker 1: myself as like a staunch individualist, where I was like,
Speaker 1: I gotta make sure you know, I'm really like mainly
Speaker 1: thinking about my own life. And then I was like, no,
Speaker 1: the key to life is community, and like how you
Speaker 1: want to integrate yourself with other people and you want
Speaker 1: to your life is only me as good as the
Speaker 1: other people in it. And then I flip back and
Speaker 1: forth and I'm like, well shit, you know it's true.
Speaker 1: You as you get older, you start to realize, Okay,
Speaker 1: your parents love you and that's great and you and
Speaker 1: if you're lucky, you grow up that being the default
Speaker 1: your parents love you, Your parents care about you. Then
Speaker 1: as you get older, the amount of people who are
Speaker 1: like you can have friends and you're gonna have people
Speaker 1: in the peripheral of your life that you see, but
Speaker 1: the amount of people who are in your life starts
Speaker 1: to decrease and you start to slowly realize like you're
Speaker 1: exact the only one in your life. So you got
Speaker 1: to make sure unless if you know, you have a
Speaker 1: wife or kids or something like that.
Speaker 13: But and I think the better you love yourself, the
Speaker 13: better you'll be loved on your group and on your community. Yeah,
Speaker 13: because you will like put the limits and all the
Speaker 13: boundaries that you want and it will be like the
Speaker 13: healthier relationships, which means that you first think about yourself.
Speaker 13: And for that, I will encourage you everyone to go
Speaker 13: to a therapist. I'm from friends and like, this is
Speaker 13: not something that's cool yet over there.
Speaker 1: Oh, therapy is not cool in friends?
Speaker 9: No, not yet?
Speaker 1: Why not yet? It's going to become cool?
Speaker 9: Yeah of course. I mean at some point people will
Speaker 9: go crazy and you will have to go.
Speaker 1: Why do you think therapy is not cool in France?
Speaker 9: I think it's still like something that you put as
Speaker 9: crazy people.
Speaker 13: Yeah, for real and people don't understand the value of
Speaker 13: being good with yourself and go into a therapy.
Speaker 9: I'm a teacher. One of the things every time my
Speaker 9: students come to me like with issues.
Speaker 13: Blah blah blah, go to therapists, especially like immigrants, children
Speaker 13: and blah blah blah. Then to go because the duality
Speaker 13: between their lives in friends or in any country, plus
Speaker 13: their origins or parents' origins, it's a messing up moment
Speaker 13: of their lives.
Speaker 1: That's you do you go to a therapist? What are
Speaker 1: you talking about with your therapists?
Speaker 9: My parents? Mostly because I think this is the main
Speaker 9: issue for everyone.
Speaker 1: The main issue for everyone is their parents.
Speaker 13: How so, I mean because the parents lives their life
Speaker 13: for the first time as you are. So they don't
Speaker 13: know how to drive sometimes their life and they have
Speaker 13: to learn with you and when they do it. And
Speaker 13: they were not like us now with all these elements
Speaker 13: that you can have on the internet and everything. So
Speaker 13: they learned not good on a good way.
Speaker 1: Okay, So everything starts with parents because you learn from
Speaker 1: your parents, and how your parents treat you is kind
Speaker 1: of how you feel exactly. Yeah, that makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Do
Speaker 1: you have good parents.
Speaker 3: Try?
Speaker 1: Okay, they try to give kids. I don't have yet. Okay,
Speaker 1: but you want to have kids, Yeah, what are you gonna?
Speaker 1: What do you want to impart upon your children.
Speaker 13: To love themselves, to be confident enough to be like
Speaker 13: in a loving environment where they can share with me?
Speaker 13: Because I think I was not able to share with
Speaker 13: my parents when I was not like feeling good or
Speaker 13: when something was not good for me and they didn't know.
Speaker 13: So I cannot blame them because I was not on
Speaker 13: a safe place to share. Yeah, so I want to
Speaker 13: have like for my kids, if I have ones, a
Speaker 13: safe place for them to share anything they want to
Speaker 13: share with me.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, I feel bad because you're you know, you're
Speaker 1: really being very vulnerable. You're being very vulnerable with me,
Speaker 1: with me right now, and I am like, I'm very
Speaker 1: engrossed in this conversation. But there's at least like ten
Speaker 1: percent of my brain it's like I wonder if I
Speaker 1: wonder if he's gonna let me have a cookie.
Speaker 9: Yeah, of course you know you can.
Speaker 3: You can have them.
Speaker 13: But because we didn't like but you didn't like them, no,
Speaker 13: because we we had like to test it because we
Speaker 13: were visiting, so we had.
Speaker 1: Like, can I see what? Can I see what you
Speaker 1: gotten there? Okay? So you tried it?
Speaker 2: You didn't like it? Andy?
Speaker 9: No, it was one with lemon and I don't even
Speaker 9: know this one.
Speaker 1: Oh this is like a that's like a cream.
Speaker 9: Yeah, we didn't like beat on him, so you can try.
Speaker 1: It's pretty good.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Here, well Norris you did Why didn't you like him?
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 1: But you're visiting from France?
Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Are you?
Speaker 1: How long are you in New York for?
Speaker 13: So we arrived on like last Wednesday and we are
Speaker 13: here until next Saturday.
Speaker 1: What do you observe about New York?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 9: So so loud?
Speaker 1: Where in France do you live?
Speaker 3: Pi?
Speaker 1: Okay, but how do you compare New York to Paris?
Speaker 13: It's so loud, people are like always screaming or stuff
Speaker 13: like this. Uh, but more generous and more friendly. People
Speaker 13: are more generous and friendly here. Of course I'm from Paris,
Speaker 13: so I mean the less Okay, for the first time
Speaker 13: in New York, No second time?
Speaker 1: Okay. Why do you guys come to New York?
Speaker 9: Especially living in Tampa?
Speaker 13: So I come often in the US and it has
Speaker 13: been three years now, so I wanted to come back
Speaker 13: very nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What are the French think of Americans? Do they think
Speaker 1: that we're stupid? You can say yes, if that's the truth.
Speaker 9: I don't think that there.
Speaker 13: They can't think about this because we're that stupid as
Speaker 13: much as American could be.
Speaker 1: I mean's goods.
Speaker 13: I mean, we almost elected the guy who never worked
Speaker 13: in his life, but for real, like never in his life.
Speaker 13: He's famous for probably shitting in his pants on this
Speaker 13: only year of college that he did.
Speaker 1: He's famous for shitting in his pants. Really, what's this
Speaker 1: guy's name?
Speaker 13: This is the rumor that we have, and he has
Speaker 13: been the first runner of the European election last year year?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 1: Can you so we are not Macrown?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 9: No, that's not mcons Bardilla Okay yeah, but.
Speaker 1: And who did you vote for him?
Speaker 9: Of course not?
Speaker 1: Is he like them? Is he like the French Trump?
Speaker 9: I can't even say if he's the French Trump or
Speaker 9: he's far right?
Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's it.
Speaker 13: I mean, this is not the same way that it
Speaker 13: works because we have so many political groups and everything.
Speaker 1: Do do your friends go to therapy or is it
Speaker 1: mainly just you?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 13: No, some of my friends goes, and hopefully most of
Speaker 13: them will go at some point. Okay, I'm doing this
Speaker 13: lobbying for them to go. Mm hmmmm, because I'm paying
Speaker 13: now for them?
Speaker 1: Are you you're paying for your friends?
Speaker 9: You're paying because they come to me to have like
Speaker 9: therapy conversations.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're the therapist exact.
Speaker 9: Either of me or someone else.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, So are you a good person to go
Speaker 1: to for for therapy?
Speaker 9: I don't know. I'm not gonna judge myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to do a lot of people to I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're if a lot of people go to you
Speaker 1: for therapy it pints, you're probably good at it or
Speaker 1: else they wouldn't come to you, like we have to
Speaker 1: ask them.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Do do a lot of your friends go to you for?
Speaker 1: What kinds of things? Do your friends ask you for
Speaker 1: advice about?
Speaker 13: Mostly with their family, because we all struggle with this
Speaker 13: energy we don't have with our parents and immigrant parents.
Speaker 9: My parents are from Turkey.
Speaker 13: They came to friends, so it's not the same way
Speaker 13: that we see et cetera and everything.
Speaker 9: So we mostly have the same issues, all of them.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you guys all have very similar like family
Speaker 1: lives exactly. How old are you? You're three four? Okay,
Speaker 1: and so all your friends like and your friends are
Speaker 1: all kind of same age, yeah exactly, and so you're
Speaker 1: all like from like similar like generation exactly.
Speaker 13: Yeah, okay, the nineties we grew up with Internet, coming
Speaker 13: forms and everything.
Speaker 1: Are you still friends with are still not friends?
Speaker 2: Of course?
Speaker 1: You're friends with your friends, are you? Are you still
Speaker 1: like close with very friends? You get to see them
Speaker 1: very often?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Of course.
Speaker 1: Do they all live in Paris?
Speaker 9: Yeah, we live all on the same area.
Speaker 1: That's so fucking now. How long have you been friends
Speaker 1: with these people?
Speaker 9: Fifteen twenty years?
Speaker 1: It's so nice, man. Yeah, that's a real blessing. I wish,
Speaker 1: you know, I have a group of like there's nine
Speaker 1: of us, and like, you know, I've been friends with
Speaker 1: them for a long time. But you know, we all
Speaker 1: kind of we're all like in the same like East Coast.
Speaker 1: But like if everyone lived in the same neighborhood, I
Speaker 1: mean that would beautiful.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 13: I think we tried to live in the same neighborhood
Speaker 13: because also when you're in friends, it's not like here
Speaker 13: you have to live in Paris to have better jobs
Speaker 13: and everything. So it's all mostly on the same places,
Speaker 13: so then you choose to be still with them. I
Speaker 13: have some of them living in other cities, but it's
Speaker 13: mostly all in Paris.
Speaker 1: What are you most excited for in life moving forward?
Speaker 9: I think I've been kids at some point. Yeah, I
Speaker 9: would love having kids.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you've learned a lot from your
Speaker 1: own parents that you can yeah, either either what to.
Speaker 9: Do or what not to exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, how how often do you talk to your parents?
Speaker 9: Almost like every two days or every day?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't be honest, Like, all right, you sat
Speaker 1: down and you were like, you were like, you have
Speaker 1: to be, you must be.
Speaker 9: It has been like six years now that I'm working on.
Speaker 1: This, so well, I guess well the way you said
Speaker 1: when you said that, and you were like you might
Speaker 1: man can only rely on himself. And it's like you
Speaker 1: have a you have a great community, you're very you
Speaker 1: have a wife, you have your pet, friends all around
Speaker 1: you have you know, you don't seem to rely be
Speaker 1: I mean you know what I mean, But like you
Speaker 1: seem like you have a lot of people in your life.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 9: With bundies that I fixed, it's better now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's great, man cool, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 1: What's your name again, yugi Yi? Thank you very much
Speaker 1: for sitting down and talking to man. I really appreciate.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 1: people before we go? Julie is the best rapper in Frience?
Speaker 1: Who is jew Jewel? Nice to meet you man later. Well, folks,
Speaker 1: I think that was it. I think those were our interviews.
Speaker 7: For the day.
Speaker 1: I think they were pretty good. Who do we talk to?
Speaker 1: We talked to the Yo Yo man. We talked to
Speaker 1: the elementary school principal. We talked to the opera singer lady.
Speaker 1: We talked to uh the general, the other the gentleman
Speaker 1: at the bike talking about getting sober as well. That
Speaker 1: was a good That was a good group of people.
Speaker 1: This was a good episode. I hope you guys enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: I'm debating, Oh this guy left his cookies. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: debating if I should eat a stranger's half eaten cookies.
Speaker 1: I'm not above it. I'm really not above it. I'm
Speaker 1: really really not above it. I'm I might be above
Speaker 1: doing it on camera, but i'm i'm I'm I'm not
Speaker 1: above it. So I might do it. So anyway, thank
Speaker 1: you guys for listening to this. If you're tomorrow, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna drop my uh my, uh well, if you're watching
Speaker 1: this on YouTube, it's already on here. But if you're
Speaker 1: listening to this on the podcast tomorrow, I'm gonna drop
Speaker 1: my Tijuana dance battle video on Spotify, so you should
Speaker 1: check that out. But anyway, uh that's it. What another
Speaker 1: beautiful day of talking to people. Say safe, say words
Speaker 1: in the comments. If you enjoyed these conversations. I want
Speaker 1: to hear what people have to say. I sit down
Speaker 1: here for for for a bunch of time talking to people.
Speaker 1: I want to hear what people have to say. I'm
Speaker 1: curious if you guys have thoughts about the conversations. You
Speaker 1: have thoughts about live your life. Give a like, give
Speaker 1: a comment, give a subscribe, Spotify comments, YouTube comments, whatever. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's it. I don't have anything else to say. I'm
Speaker 1: a get go, I'm getting out of here. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go play my switch to and eat a stranger's half
Speaker 1: eating cookie and try not to think. All right, gak
Speaker 1: bless thank you very much, see you around the universe.