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Speaker 1: Warning, Today's episode contain's spoilers for Wicked for Good, The

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Speaker 1: Mighty nine, and.

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Speaker 2: The Metroid franchise.

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Speaker 1: Hello, I'm Rosie Knight and welcome to XRGC or Ripchat,

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Speaker 1: a weekly roundtable with our producers and special guests to

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Speaker 1: talk about all the things we're excited about in BB's TV,

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Speaker 1: comics and pop culture. In today's episode, we are joined

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Speaker 1: by Amelia Emboing to discuss two very different worlds of magic.

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Speaker 1: We will be talking our mostly spoiler free reactions to

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Speaker 1: Wicked for Good with Amelia and super producer Joel, as

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Speaker 1: well as digging into the lore of the books and

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Speaker 1: what changes from the movie to the musical to the

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Speaker 1: book and back again. And then in segment two, Amelia

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Speaker 1: will be joining me to give us the lowdown on

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Speaker 1: Amazon's The Mighty Nine, the new animation from the world

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Speaker 1: of Critical Role. And in segment three, come and we'll

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Speaker 1: be joining me to talk about the pitfalls of the

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Speaker 1: Metroid franchise inspired by the newest game, Metroid four. But

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Speaker 1: first we're gonna talk about Wicked. Hello, Lovely Witches, Amelia,

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining us. How's it going.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me babes. I'm so

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Speaker 3: excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be delightful. And Joel, thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining us too, Me and you, well, all three of us. Really,

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Speaker 1: I know that we have enjoyed the Wicked franchise throughout

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Speaker 1: its years. Joelle. We did go to a Wicked eat

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Speaker 1: incredible black owned business, super fun. You get to eat

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Speaker 1: the movie as you watch, and I just generally have

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Speaker 1: songs before the movie. The movie definitely kind of threw

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Speaker 1: So I will start with you, Joelle, what were your

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Speaker 4: I was a Wicked Stan growing up saw the place

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Speaker 4: I was one of those haters when the first trailer

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Speaker 4: And the press tour and all of it, it's all

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Speaker 4: of that leads up to here, where I feel both

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Speaker 4: I know what Act two contains, and it's bleak, and

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Speaker 4: it moves at a musical pace, not a film pace,

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Speaker 2: We're moving quickly through things.

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Speaker 4: Things are happening in big musical ways, which is to say,

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Speaker 4: we're just singing our feelings at each other, and not

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Speaker 2: This will absolutely train wreck a movie.

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Speaker 4: Coming out of this movie, Rosie called me on A

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Speaker 4: for good. You can't for good It's a song that

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Speaker 4: the rendition they do of it is bring you to

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Speaker 4: So if I were going to give it a rough grade,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a very fair take. I will say

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Speaker 1: I actually thought that the way that they kind of

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Speaker 1: what were your feelings on Wicked?

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Speaker 5: For good me and Wi could have such a complicated relationship, Joelle,

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Speaker 3: The book person. No, it's not girl, it's bubblegum bullshit.

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Speaker 5: As compared to the book, and like that is that

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Speaker 3: Except for that story. It is it makes me insane.

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Speaker 5: It makes me insane because Wicked is such a deeply complex, difficult,

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Speaker 5: watch more plays because that's not true. So there's no

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Speaker 1: Emileiah tell us that what the ending of the book

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Speaker 5: Yes, And before I get to that, I want to

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Speaker 5: be clear. I do like Wicked for Good, but I

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Speaker 3: Did you do this?

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Speaker 5: So in the novel they're I like just telling you

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Speaker 5: Fierro doesn't turn into a scarecrow. Fierro is murdered. Doctor

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Speaker 5: Diliman doesn't lose his voice. Doctor Dillarmond is murdered. Alphaba

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Speaker 3: Stop it, that's it, that's real.

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Speaker 5: The function of a wicked is to be an exploration

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Speaker 5: No One Mourns the Wicked that like, are people born wicked?

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Speaker 5: that is the entire impetus of Maguire's book is was

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Speaker 3: This dead girl who I felped get murdered. PS will

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Speaker 5: Elfie furious, is like, she's going to take those straight

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Speaker 3: What is wrong with you? And again this is towards

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Speaker 3: Problem. So Dorothy Gaale goes to the Wizard. The Wizard says,

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Speaker 3: Here to kill you.

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Speaker 5: I'm truly just here to apologize for dropping a house

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Speaker 5: I don't know why he's so angry. I'm just here

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Speaker 3: Now, going back to the.

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Speaker 5: Fierro death, Fierro and Alphaba don't have She doesn't like

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Speaker 3: From which Lure is burned the son of a witch.

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Speaker 5: So after everything happens, and after most of his family

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Speaker 5: His wife is like, girl, no, but the rest of

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Speaker 5: the rest of the family is like, sure, you can

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Speaker 3: So all of them are murdered.

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Speaker 3: Will you forgive me? And Elfie flips out. She flips out,

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Speaker 2: And if this is.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know what was happening.

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Speaker 1: They did what now crazy?

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Speaker 2: I just never dawned on me. I don't at first.

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Speaker 4: I don't think Arianna needs to be infantilized or Glinda.

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Speaker 4: But I don't understand why we couldn't have had these

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Speaker 4: Hey, you have some privilege and power. Maybe you're not

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Speaker 1: I I do have to disagree, only slightly, because I

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Speaker 1: that version. Now, guys, before we leave, I could talk

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Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, it's it's still It's still gonna blow the

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Speaker 5: Because I believe all of these people have this level

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Speaker 3: Again? Cancer for play, let's have some. But but I.

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Speaker 5: Think I think it's going to be twofold in a

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Speaker 5: tell me about this ending, like it can't possibly be

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Speaker 5: whether it's good or bad. So I still think it's

436
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Speaker 5: going to blow the roof off. It might even be

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Speaker 5: the last one who can say Joe out any.

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Speaker 4: Forty thousand dollars opening weekend, shorter tail than fifty fifty

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Speaker 4: million opening weekend, and then a shorter tail than the

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Speaker 4: original had.

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Speaker 2: I just don't think the reason.

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Speaker 1: I need to give you a reality check. I love you.

443
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Speaker 1: The first movie opens like one hundred and sixty. I

444
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Speaker 1: don't think there's no way. I don't there's no way

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Speaker 1: it's doing fifty. It's easily over one hundred. I think

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Speaker 1: it could open to two and have like an eighty

447
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Speaker 1: percent drop off. But I also think that they are

448
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Speaker 1: doing double bills, and I do think if I was universal,

449
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Speaker 1: I would have encouraged or offered to basically every press

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Speaker 1: come and see it as part of a double bill,

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Speaker 1: because I actually am very interested to watch the two

452
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Speaker 1: of them together, because I think the second act will

453
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Speaker 1: be complimentary to the first act, as it is in

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Speaker 1: the play. I'm going for a round. I think it

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Speaker 1: could be anywhere between like one hundred and forty to

456
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Speaker 1: two hundred, depending on how much critics impact it, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think that will be much. But I do

458
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Speaker 1: think it's not gonna have as long legs, like you said, Joelle,

459
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Speaker 1: because a lot of the longer legs came from Oscar

460
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Speaker 1: people from people who like those girls are not getting

461
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Speaker 1: their oscars. This movie and the new songs are not

462
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Speaker 1: getting Oscar noms. Golden is gonna win, obviously. Yeah. An

463
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Speaker 1: interesting an interesting end or not end, because I will

464
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Speaker 1: say one of the big reasons in this you can

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Speaker 1: blame on corporate cynicism that this movie had the ending

466
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Speaker 1: it did and actually even expanded out the happy ending

467
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Speaker 1: from the movie is because there will be a Wicked

468
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Speaker 1: three and Ariana Grane is already talking about it, already

469
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Speaker 1: teasing it. They do not want to give up this movie,

470
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Speaker 1: so let's see if it makes enough money for them

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Speaker 1: to try and expand because Amelia, as you've said, if

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Speaker 1: they keep taking from the gregory stuff, there's no way

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Speaker 1: they can keep it being Pg. Thirteen and keep these

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Speaker 1: hooks in people. So I'm interested to see what happened next.

475
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Speaker 1: Definitely a mixed bag, but yes, Wicked for good. It's

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Speaker 1: out this weekend, and I agree with you, Amelia Discourse

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Speaker 1: Havers will enjoy this movie. Yeah, let's go to a

478
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Speaker 1: quick ad break. Joelle, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you, and then we.

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Speaker 7: Will go straight in to the mighty nine and.

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Speaker 1: We're back, and I've joined once again by Amelia. Amelia,

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Speaker 1: thanks for sticking around for a completely different magical world.

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Speaker 1: So if you guys haven't watched Fox Marketerer or The

484
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Speaker 1: mighty nine, we are going to be digging in with

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Speaker 1: Amelia Embowing, one of the foremost Mighty nine and legend

486
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Speaker 1: of Fox Marketer hosts and writers who recently actually hosted

487
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Speaker 1: the mighty nine NYCC panel to launch the show. Amelia

488
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Speaker 1: is an incredible host who was an editor at IGN.

489
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Speaker 1: She was my editor. She was also my editor at

490
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Speaker 1: What to Watch. She's also a brilliant writer with credits

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Speaker 1: at DC Comics, Nerdiced and many more. And she has

492
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: built an incredible relationship with the creatives behind these two

493
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: fantastic animated questing shows that have been a huge smash

494
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Speaker 1: on Amazon Prime. So, Melia, could you tell us a

495
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Speaker 1: little bit about how you started that relationship and what

496
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Speaker 1: your journey to Critical World was.

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Speaker 5: Well, like, it's obviously this world is so intrinsically rooted

498
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Speaker 5: in D and D.

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Speaker 3: I don't play D and D. So my first.

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Speaker 5: Introduction was the legend of ox Machina, which I think

501
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 5: is so remarkable. You know, I love me and misfits story,

502
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 5: and that's very much the energy here. And then beyond that,

503
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 5: like obviously I started doing more and more interviews with

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Speaker 5: them and just.

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Speaker 3: Sort of built a rapport with the cast.

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Speaker 5: Part of that was possible because the woman who gave

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Speaker 5: me my start in this industry as a whole back

508
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 5: in the Amy Poehler Smart Girls days was Rachel Romero,

509
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 5: who was there one of their directors, like one of

510
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 5: their like she can't remember her exact title, but she like.

511
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Speaker 3: It was marketing pr something like that.

512
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Speaker 5: We reconnected throughout that process, and and you know, I

513
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 5: spoke to the cast more, and now we're at a

514
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 5: point where, like we we just have a really good rapport,

515
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 5: so it's really easy to work together or or build

516
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 5: good segments around around that. So far as New York

517
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Speaker 5: Comic Con is concerned, Like I am endlessly so thankful

518
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Speaker 5: that they allow me to participate as a teeny tiny

519
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Speaker 5: part of their world.

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Speaker 3: Obviously on that one, I'm I'm just a conduit.

521
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Speaker 5: I'm just there asking the questions to to to give them.

522
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Speaker 5: You know, the platform seems like the wrong word because

523
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Speaker 5: they wouldn't ever need me for a platform, But like

524
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Speaker 5: you understand, like I'm there.

525
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Speaker 1: Moderation is about helping have the best conversation. Do that,

526
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Speaker 1: but you are actually great at so yeah, it is

527
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Speaker 1: like being a vote. It's kind of like being like

528
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Speaker 1: you said, you're just that to help them share the

529
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Speaker 1: best stuff.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Like there's so I always talk about the difference

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Speaker 5: between like being a moderator and doing an interview, like

532
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Speaker 5: those are two different things. When you're a moderator, I'm

533
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 5: there to make them look good. I am there to

534
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Speaker 5: to act as a act as a conduit between them

535
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Speaker 5: and the audience. And like for me, as somebody who

536
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 5: doesn't play D and D and is broadly just in

537
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 5: love with these shows, I like, I like to come

538
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 5: at it from that perspective because I think something that

539
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 5: has really helped me in this journey and like getting

540
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 5: to know Critical Role better is understanding that I will

541
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Speaker 5: never know more about this world than critters do. And

542
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Speaker 5: so like obviously we come to the other things that

543
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 5: we cover as not no walls, but like these these

544
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Speaker 5: experts who know, like I know more about Lord of

545
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 5: the Rings and the general audience member, I can provide

546
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Speaker 5: a service to the audience in that regard. But when

547
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Speaker 5: it comes to Critical Role, it really challenged me to

548
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Speaker 5: change the way that I come at coverage through the

549
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Speaker 5: way I interview stuff like that, because there's no question

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Speaker 5: that I'm asking that critters don't already know the answer to.

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Speaker 3: So that helped me change the.

552
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Speaker 5: Way that we discuss, discuss all of it, the way

553
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Speaker 5: the way I interview with them, the way I moderate

554
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Speaker 5: with them, et cetera.

555
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Speaker 1: If you're going to pitch the Legend of Volksmakana to

556
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Speaker 1: someone who's never watched it, because it has been a

557
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: way more accessible hit than I think probably even Amazon realized,

558
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: there's a huge imbount base, like you said, so obviously

559
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: it's a smart bet to walk with them. But I

560
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: found so many people who'd never played D and D

561
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: who loved this show. So if somebody hasn't listened to

562
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Speaker 1: Vox Macana doesn't know what they're getting into with the

563
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Speaker 1: Mighty Nine, what would be your pitch on the shows?

564
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Speaker 3: So first and foremost, it's so so critical.

565
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's so very important to know that Mighty nine

566
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 5: and the Legend of Box Machina are completely different stories.

567
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,959
Speaker 5: By design, all of these characters are very different, so

568
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 5: they're all they're all lovable misfits, but in in the

569
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Speaker 5: legend of Vox Macina, they're they're outcasts. In the mighty nine,

570
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 5: they're all very much anti heroes, like they're There's there's.

571
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Speaker 3: Some moral ambiguity in the legend of Vox Machina, but.

572
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Speaker 5: Mostly they are beloved goofy fuck ups that have been

573
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Speaker 5: ostracized for one reason or another. Vexenbax have like are

574
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Speaker 5: are distanced from their father. Keelith is constantly trying to

575
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Speaker 5: prove herself. Pike is like trying to like constantly reckoning

576
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Speaker 5: with her faith. Scanlon is in this go between of

577
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Speaker 5: I want desperately to be loved and to love, but

578
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Speaker 5: I'm afraid to have that or lose that, So I'm

579
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Speaker 5: just going to be a goofy goober, you know, all

580
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Speaker 5: of these things, and in critical or Sorry. In the

581
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 5: legend of Oxmakna, all of them sort of add their

582
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Speaker 5: comic relief at different moments of time.

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Speaker 3: In the ninety nine, that'll be a little bit different,

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Speaker 3: not entirely.

585
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 5: All of these characters are funny in different ways, but

586
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Speaker 5: maybe more snarky than goofy, or maybe just more dead

587
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 5: pan than silly. It is intentionally a much more difficult

588
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 5: story I think Nerdiced was the one who went with

589
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Speaker 5: the headline of mighty nine is all dungeons.

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Speaker 3: No dragons. That's very much true.

591
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 5: Vox Machina is very rooted, like it's it's very much

592
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Speaker 5: a dragon story. There are like that's you're going against

593
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Speaker 5: the Chroma Conclave. That is a huge aspect of all

594
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Speaker 5: of this in this overarching story in mighty nine, it's

595
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Speaker 5: it's different. It's it's still got so much magic, but

596
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 5: it's it's more ground level than you might think. And

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Speaker 5: none of that is derogatory. It's just really important that

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Speaker 5: people understand that they're coming into a story that is, yes,

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Speaker 5: a part of Xandria, but also also like it's grittier.

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Speaker 5: I've used that several times throughout this conversation, but like

601
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Speaker 5: that's that's a great explanation for it is like it's

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Speaker 5: it's more down in the dirt.

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Speaker 3: It's it's more these people, these people deserve to be

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Speaker 3: loved and are lovable, but they are not lovable.

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Speaker 5: Misfits, if that makes sense. They are they are people

606
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Speaker 5: going across their journeys. And I think Travis is the

607
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 5: one who brings this up a lot because it is

608
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Speaker 5: really important to know with Vox Makana, we start with

609
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Speaker 5: the team already together. They're already connected, they already have

610
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Speaker 5: their own little backstories and and that sort of connection.

611
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Speaker 5: In mightighty nine, that is not the case. We are

612
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Speaker 5: watching these people come together, and that journey will be bumpy,

613
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Speaker 5: like not in Caleb's sort of immediately come together, even

614
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Speaker 5: though there's a will they like, will she turn against him?

615
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Speaker 5: Won't she turn against him? That pretty much get the

616
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Speaker 5: episodes are out today, the episode check that it gets

617
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Speaker 5: resolved by the time we get to the other side

618
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Speaker 5: of this, this first batch of episodes. But you know,

619
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Speaker 5: there's always that question, you know, we we we get

620
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Speaker 5: we get them coming together at different points, which I

621
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Speaker 5: think is really important that they released these first three

622
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Speaker 5: because people who go in not knowing that these people

623
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Speaker 5: are not starting together, like it's very important so that

624
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Speaker 5: they get to the other side.

625
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Speaker 3: And all of these are.

626
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Speaker 1: Our well almost our Yeah, they're like.

627
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Speaker 5: They're in the forty to fifty minute range rather than

628
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Speaker 5: the twenty to thirty. So these are longer, deeper, more

629
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,919
Speaker 5: complex stories with a with a deeper darkness to them

630
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Speaker 5: than Vox Machina does.

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Speaker 1: And I would say is and this is set twenty

632
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Speaker 1: years off the Volksmakina, Right, it's like I mean, it's

633
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: like a it's like same well, different timeline. Because one

634
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Speaker 1: of the coolest things about the show, and one of

635
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: the things that I think has drawn so many people

636
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: to it is the original cost of Cret Coral will

637
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: come back and do the voice acting right, So it

638
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 1: is really it's a crazy cast. You have your big

639
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: Vox Marketer people like Travis and Sam, but you also

640
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: have Ashley Johnson, you have Laura Bailey, Talis and Jaffy

641
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: like that, who is another critical role guy. So they

642
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: really do a fantastic job at of bringing in iconic

643
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: voice acting talent. But also in this season we get

644
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: Lucy Lou so they're also kind of broadening with the

645
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: popularity who we get to hear in the show. This

646
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: is in my opinion, and I worked on a piece

647
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Speaker 1: with you when you're still at IGN. We did a

648
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: state of animation piece. Vox Markner and maighty nine are

649
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Speaker 1: a big reason I think that adults are in America

650
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: are embracing animation. So if we have listeners who have

651
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Speaker 1: yet to take that step and still think about Disney

652
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: or still think about kid stuff, how would you describe

653
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: the kind of visual landscape of these shows, because they

654
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: are actually incredibly brutal and bloody, and but the animation

655
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: is stunning.

656
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, uh tit mouse is is so exceptional as an

657
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 5: animation studio. Obviously, there is so much depth to both

658
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 5: Box Machina and Mighty nine, but they are also just

659
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 5: visually beautiful and taking it a step beyond that. The

660
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 5: sound design is so critical for that aforementioned like darkness

661
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 5: that you were discussing, like we watch people die tragically,

662
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 5: it will it will get worse in mighty nine, and

663
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 5: like so much of.

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Speaker 3: That is is.

665
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Speaker 5: Is not just in the core cast's performances, but it's

666
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 5: also in the way that the sound mixing comes through,

667
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 5: like the guttural noises, like the sounds that you make

668
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 5: as you die, Like it's not it's not fluffing those up,

669
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Speaker 5: it's not making it prettier, it's not make it more digestible.

670
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Speaker 3: Obviously, anime is in this.

671
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Speaker 5: Huge moment right now, and I would say to any

672
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Speaker 5: anime fan at all, like you're gonna love.

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Speaker 1: This, and also as well, I would say these are

674
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Speaker 1: two great in road shows for that because they also

675
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: stand apart from many of the other things that we

676
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: are watching at all times, which is homework shows. Now,

677
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: the good thing about both of these shows is if

678
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: you love them, you can go back and have hundreds

679
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: and hundreds of hours of incredible entertainment with these characters,

680
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: with these voices. But you do not have had to

681
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 1: enjoy any of that. In fact, you can just jump

682
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 1: into either of these as an action heavy, violent adult show.

683
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Speaker 1: If you are our listeners and you have listened to

684
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Speaker 1: watched Invincible, which I'm sure many of you have, and

685
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: have We've spoken about a lot of the highs and lows.

686
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 1: This is very akin in the notion of the ways

687
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Speaker 1: that it stretches the boundaries of what you expect to

688
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: see in an act animated series. So I'm really excited

689
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Speaker 1: for everyone to check this out. Amelia. Do you know

690
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Speaker 1: if this world is going to continue to grow as

691
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: the Critical Role success just continues to roll on.

692
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Speaker 5: I mean, so, I don't think Amazon's standing in their way,

693
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 5: because obviously they've ben a huge hip for them. I

694
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 5: would say that more sits on the shoulders of the

695
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 5: Critical Role team, like whether or not they want to

696
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 5: do that now mighty nine is doing, is doing two seasons.

697
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Speaker 3: Right off the bat, which we know already.

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Speaker 5: I don't see a reason why they would stop, especially

699
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Speaker 5: given their incredible partnership with Titmouse. You know, they love

700
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 5: they love working with those teams. I suspect that we

701
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 5: will see all of these campaigns in this form because

702
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 5: we're they're on four now. So I also, like, I

703
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 5: think it's so important that you mentioned the you don't

704
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Speaker 5: have to know all of this, all of this contact

705
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 5: that word uh to dive into this, because that's something

706
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Speaker 5: that that I talked to the cast about so much

707
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 5: in interviews is a you know, talk about why you

708
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 5: made this decision to make it accessible for everybody, but

709
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Speaker 5: be talk about how you've changed it. Because you mentioned Ashley,

710
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Speaker 5: and one of the remarkable things about both vox Manchina

711
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 5: and Mighty nine is that there were so many things

712
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Speaker 5: happening during during the recording of those original campaigns. You know,

713
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 5: Ashley and Laura kept getting pulled into acting gigs and

714
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Speaker 5: so or or life happened like travel, Laura had a baby.

715
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Speaker 3: Uh, you know, there were all.

716
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Speaker 5: Of these things that happened that meant that people couldn't

717
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Speaker 5: always be there to record.

718
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Speaker 3: And now that they're doing them. Now we get more

719
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Speaker 3: of those.

720
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Speaker 5: Characters, and the story is changing and evolving, and it's

721
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 5: still true to the original the original campaign, but there's

722
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 5: also more of it, or it's slightly different, or there's

723
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Speaker 5: there is always a surprise for even the critters who

724
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Speaker 5: know everything and the people who don't. And I think

725
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Speaker 5: to go back to your original point of whether or

726
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 5: not this will continue, Yes, so long as both parties

727
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 5: want to keep doing it. The audience eats it up

728
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 5: because there is something there for the hundreds of thousands

729
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Speaker 5: of critters and also the all of the new people

730
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Speaker 5: who come to the show without knowing anything, and that's

731
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Speaker 5: what's going to keep them fresh for literally as long

732
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Speaker 5: as they want to keep making these shows.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'm very excited for everyone to see The

734
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Speaker 1: mighty nine. We were big fans of volks Makina when

735
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Speaker 1: it came out when we were doing X ray Vision

736
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Speaker 1: kind of early on in our career, and yeah, I

737
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: really excited for people to check this one out. Let

738
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Speaker 1: us know what you think about it in the discord,

739
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Speaker 1: and Amelia, thank you again for joining us with your

740
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: deep insights in the world of Voxmarkana in the mighty nine.

741
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me and a great.

742
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Speaker 8: Time, and we're back and I am here with the

743
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Speaker 8: beautiful super producer Common Laurent.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing, babe?

745
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Speaker 9: I am doing so well. Thank you for having me

746
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 9: Hers so that we could talk about the fabulous meteor

747
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Speaker 9: Roids series.

748
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: Not the Meteoroid series.

749
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Speaker 10: That's how I started calling it earlier on Guys, and

750
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Speaker 10: then I almost called it that when I introduced the show,

751
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 10: but no, it's really called the Metroid prior series Metroid Okay,

752
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 10: So Common, I actually want to ask you, similar to

753
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Speaker 10: when I was speaking to the one full of Melia

754
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 10: who join us today.

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Speaker 1: What's your journey with Metroid because this is definitely a

756
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: franchise that you really love and in the leader to

757
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 1: Metroid Prime for coming out, it was your most anticipated game.

758
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Speaker 1: But we will get to that.

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00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 9: Yes, absolutely it was. We'll get to that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I you know, as you as the listeners will know.

762
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 9: I am a huge fan of Alien. That is like

763
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Speaker 9: one of my favorite sci fi horror franchises, probably the

764
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Speaker 9: top one for me. And if you love Alien, you're

765
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Speaker 9: gonna love Metroid because what is Metroid inspired by Alien?

766
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Speaker 9: And so immediately once I realized those things as a kid.

767
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 9: I put that, you know, two and two together, and

768
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Speaker 9: I just remember thinking.

769
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Speaker 1: Like, oh, this is so cool.

770
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Speaker 9: I would be like, oh, did you know that the

771
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 9: monster in Metroid is called Ripley Ridley because that's the

772
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 9: character's name from Alien and it's an homage. And you know,

773
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Speaker 9: I love to really kind of lay those facts on people.

774
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 9: As a little nerdy child.

775
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Speaker 1: It's important for us to have those things that we

776
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: can nerd out about. You know, it shapes a lot

777
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 1: of our lives. That was like me in comic books.

778
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's important to have those playground things where

779
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: you can be like, well, did you know? Did you know?

780
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely so, I'm glad that was this for you. Do

781
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 1: you remember playing it for the first time and having

782
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Speaker 1: that realization at the end that she's a she's a

783
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 1: little girl.

784
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Speaker 9: Yes, I remember.

785
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: I was.

786
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Speaker 9: I was standing in my neighborhood target playing on a

787
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Speaker 9: little game Boy Advanced handheld demo and it was the

788
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Speaker 9: first game I played, was the Metroid Prime Fusion game,

789
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Speaker 9: which was the game Boy Advance game. And yeah, when

790
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 9: I died in the game, her suit falls off and

791
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 9: it's revealed, Oh my god, she's a bad a woman

792
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 9: who's kicking us over there and immediately fell in love

793
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 9: with the series from there. And yeah, so I have

794
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 9: followed the franchise through lots of different gaming systems, on

795
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 9: handheld and on console, and I was definitely really excited

796
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 9: for the lead up of the Metroid Prime for it's

797
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 9: taken a long time actually since the game.

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Speaker 1: Was gonna say it's not been great.

799
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Speaker 9: Yeah, there's been a rocky road in terms of production,

800
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 9: and so that's always worrisome. You know. I started to

801
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 9: think at one point that we were never even going

802
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 9: to see the game like that they were just going

803
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 9: to like, I hope that we had forgotten about it

804
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 9: and brush it.

805
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: I feel like that for a little bit. I'm not

806
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: gonna lie. There was a moment and I mean it

807
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: was like scraped. It was started.

808
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 9: We started with retro the original studio because m Yeah,

809
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 9: so it had a multiple like starting and stopping moments there.

810
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 9: So that's always worrisome. We see last what was it

811
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 9: earlier this year, we see the first teaser trailer and

812
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 9: you know, I'm excited to see Samus in a purple suit.

813
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 9: Excited about that. I'm not gonna lie, and she's got

814
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 9: a motorcycle.

815
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: Big question I want to ask you, Yeah, how do

816
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: you feel about Metroid not being a two D side scroller?

817
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: Because there's some games that I think can evolve past that.

818
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: But as someone who grew up playing a lot of platformers,

819
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: I really struggled when they made you know, a shut

820
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: over the Hedgehog and suddenly it was a third person

821
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Speaker 1: like you're following someone through a three D world, Like

822
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: I missed the platform and nature and the side scrolling

823
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: nature of it. Of course that has evolved. How do

824
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: you feel, which I mean, obviously this is a character

825
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: I think can definitely successfully exist outside of that, the

826
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: Metroid four is pushing it into an open and well

827
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 1: scenarios that really different.

828
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 9: Yes, yes, the Metroid Prime series is well loved, you know,

829
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 9: and and I do love the first Metroid Prime game

830
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 9: most especially is a very excellent Metroid game. I would

831
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Speaker 9: argue that it's like the only that particular first Metroid

832
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 9: Prime game is the only truly good first person shooter

833
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 9: of Metroid where it's in three D. The other games

834
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 9: are a little bit weaker. They don't really like establish

835
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 9: like the gameplay and the story enough to be really interesting.

836
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Speaker 9: And so when I heard that there was going to

837
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 9: be a fourth game. I was really excited, but yeah,

838
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 9: it is one of those I started thinking about it,

839
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Speaker 9: especially now that we've seen that it is going to

840
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 9: be open world. The open world to me, obviously, I'm

841
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 9: still I should preface all of this and say I'm

842
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 9: still going to buy this game and play it. Yeah,

843
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 9: it comes out because I am a die hard fan.

844
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 9: I played Metroid other M when that came out, which

845
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 9: was very controversial and a very bad game. So there

846
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 9: have been times too when it has been a two

847
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 9: D side scroller and it didn't work, and that is

848
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 9: an you know, Metrod other M is one example. But

849
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 9: for the most part, the franchise is a two D

850
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 9: side scroller game, platforming game, and I think, so far,

851
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 9: in my view, it excels best at that. Yeah, and that,

852
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 9: you know, most recently we had Metroid Dread that came out,

853
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,919
Speaker 9: which was a two D side scroller, very very good,

854
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 9: excellent game. But it's one of those franchises that I

855
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 9: think is tricky to figure out how to adapt into

856
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 9: a three D first person shooter style.

857
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. So let me ask you some some

858
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: hot talking points about this game. There has been a

859
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: lot of controversy because there was kind of the first

860
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: gameplay impressions came out and this was published today by

861
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: polygon Y, and basically a lot of the talk was

862
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: about this character, Miles Mackenzie, who's this kind of Quippi

863
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: nerd from the Galactic Federation, and he's gonna be snapping

864
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: and chatting, and people are kind of freaking out because

865
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: a lot of the thing that and he's white guy, psychic,

866
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: and a lot of people are kind of confused because

867
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that has made Metroids so iconic

868
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Speaker 1: is the quiet, the isolation, Samus's journey on herself. So

869
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Speaker 1: is there gonna be too much Federation law, is there

870
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: gonna be too many characters? Or do you think maybe

871
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: people are so worried? And actually this is just building

872
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: on kind of those little teasers that we got the

873
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: original screens talking about the Galactic Federation, Like does that

874
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: kind of stuff make you excited, worried or not at

875
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: all kind of impact your feelings about the game going

876
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Speaker 1: in As a lifelong fan.

877
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 9: No, I definitely agree that the game's One of the

878
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 9: core elements of the games is that they are happening

879
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 9: in isolation, and Samus mostly is having to explore these

880
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 9: like landscapes in total isolation, which is part of what

881
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 9: makes it kind of scary and kind of, you know, suspenseful.

882
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 9: I this is actually the first I'm hearing about this

883
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 9: Miles character, so it does seem like he is going

884
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 9: to be kind of a Navvy inspired character that is

885
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 9: going to be constantly in your ear, kind of saying

886
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 9: things that you. I am worried about that that to me,

887
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 9: is not a Metroid Prime game player experience.

888
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: Do any of us need an extra white guy in

889
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: our evrrect gast advice? There's enough of that, guys. But

890
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: I will say I'm not gonna lie I have Obviously

891
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: a huge game for me in the last few years

892
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: was Breath of the Wild, as it was for everyone else,

893
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: completely changed the way I played games, not at all

894
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: what you would expect from a Zelda game, in my opinion,

895
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: probably still my favorite Zelda game of all time, taking

896
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: over from a Jura's Mask. So I will say there

897
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 1: are potential spaces where this can work. I also will

898
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: say I really love the newer pokemons, which I know

899
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: have not been hugely popular, from Let's Go Eve to

900
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: Scarlet and Violet. Despite all the issues. The riding around

901
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: on a motorcycle exploring is really fun, and that does

902
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: seem like what they're leaning into here, But from the screenshots,

903
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: it does not necessarily look like it's gonna avoid some

904
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: of the pitfalls of those kind of games like Pokemons,

905
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 1: specifically where there's not necessarily the money or time going

906
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: in to make sure that this which version doesn't have

907
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: weird finishing coints. Yeah, strange glitches and all of that

908
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 1: stuff I've grown up with and lived with my whole life.

909
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: But I do feel like with Metroid Prime four, or

910
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: as it is officially called, Metroid Prime Beyond Correct, I

911
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: do feel like here they would really have to come

912
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: out with a game changing version of an Open World

913
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 1: for it to really hit.

914
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

915
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 9: Yeah, and I think I think Open World is kind

916
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 9: of like a big risk that a lot of games

917
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 9: are taking these days, and it can be it's very

918
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 9: hit or miss. I still think that there are going

919
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 9: to be elements of this game that are going to

920
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 9: be very fun and very exciting. Yeah, and I'm sure

921
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 9: like certain parts. I'm sure riding around on the motorcycle

922
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 9: is probably going to be the most fun part of

923
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 9: it for me. That little tron bike that she that

924
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 9: she has. Yeah, so you know, I think it's good

925
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 9: to take. I'm glad that we're like taking these, but

926
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Speaker 9: I do want them to be more considered a little bit,

927
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Speaker 9: especially with a game franchise like Metroid. Who uh, you know,

928
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,439
Speaker 9: I just feel like the Metroid franchise hasn't hasn't been

929
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 9: done its justice over the years.

930
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: You know, I agree, and I would also say as well.

931
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: The problem, I think is because of that. Everyone is

932
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: hoping that this can be that next level kind of game,

933
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: but it looks empty. That's the biggest problem that a

934
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: lot of people have had. When you drive around you know,

935
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: obviously Breath of the Wild, whether you're on a deer,

936
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: whether you're on a horse, whether you're on a cool motorbike,

937
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: there is on endless things to see. I still have

938
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: never finished that game properly because I just pick plants

939
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: and cook and add things to my book. It feels

940
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: like you're really in another world. Even with Pokemon. There

941
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: are many different lands to explore. There's always Pokemon running around.

942
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: Even if it is not as textured and incredible as

943
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: Breath of the Wild, it is full. What we have

944
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: seen so far is that the gameplay from this does

945
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: not look like it is from twenty twenty four twenty

946
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 1: twenty five. Even the graphics do not look particularly powerful.

947
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: There is on the Wikipedia a very notorious image of

948
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: shit Samus kind of like shooting these aliens and it

949
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:25,240
Speaker 1: looks so zerosy Doom era graphics and then exactly and

950
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: while that could be a choice, because we are also

951
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: getting some really incredible retro throwback games now with like

952
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: Marvel Cosmic Invasion coming out soon the recent Ninja Tittles remasters,

953
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: but that is not what this is trying to do.

954
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: This feels like it's trying to be a tripol a

955
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: game for the Nintendo Switch to that maybe they have

956
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: not necessarily built out the way they need to come.

957
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: What would this game need before we jump off and aboo,

958
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: please do not put that out into the universe. That's

959
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: what you have some met train movie are in a

960
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: metroid movie stars, Sidney, sweetie, you are cussing us. I'm like,

961
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: let's just make Common the star. If we're going to

962
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 1: cast the blonde women, guys, come on Common. What would

963
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:14,919
Speaker 1: you need for this movie too? I mean for this

964
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: game to blow you out of the water and be

965
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: a success, Like what would be the thing?

966
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 9: Uh, oh, my goodness. I think it needs to successfully

967
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 9: tied together the elements from where we left off on

968
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 9: the third game basically, and.

969
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: Also eighteen years ago.

970
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 9: Yeah, eighteen years ago by the way we left off

971
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 9: on the third game, and it needs to kind of

972
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 9: move the story forward. I need to feel like the

973
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 9: open world is justified. I need to feel like it's

974
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 9: not just thrown in there just to just to say

975
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 9: that they did it, you know what I mean? And

976
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 9: I I need it to be I think varied a

977
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 9: lot of what we have seen so far of the

978
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 9: open world shots they've shown it. The one shot that

979
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 9: they keep showing us of the open world is like

980
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 9: a desert, which is, like it.

981
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: Nice, nobody needs that, Yeah, and we need to drive

982
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 1: across the.

983
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 9: Desert, So I'm like, that looks really boring. I want

984
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 9: to see like we saw in the initial trailer. We

985
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 9: saw that really rich kind of it was a cutscene

986
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 9: shot of a really rich, dense green area. But I

987
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 9: want to see more of that, and I want to

988
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,720
Speaker 9: know that there's going to be multiple little like areas

989
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,879
Speaker 9: like that and not just one and then a bunch

990
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 9: of desert surrounding it. You know what I mean.

991
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so exactly. Hoping for a surprise, hoping for a surprise.

992
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: But guys, this movie, this game is coming out in

993
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: just a couple of weeks, so it's gonna be interesting

994
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: to see if this will be another huge flop for

995
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five or if it will be an unexpected surprise.

996
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 9: Well I have I can tell you one thing. Nintendo

997
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 9: is going to be selling a Nintendo switch To to

998
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 9: my household for this game, so well, I am buying

999
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 9: switch too.

1000
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: First of all, switch To. It's worth it, guys. Even

1001
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: if you're just like me and you're just playing games

1002
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:16,919
Speaker 1: you could play on your Switch one, but you're playing

1003
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: them on a giant, beautiful screen really fast. And if

1004
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: you're playing an indie game, it's the most beautiful thing

1005
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: you've ever seen. The indie game on. It does not

1006
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: have a lot of the issues of the Steam deck

1007
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,959
Speaker 1: where it cannot play certain games. But I have yet

1008
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: to commit to a full remastered Triple A game on there.

1009
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: Come and I will tell you and to listeners if

1010
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: you are hoping to buy Metroid Prime for I will

1011
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: say it is going to be seventy dollars if you

1012
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: buy it from Nintendo directly, but there are multiple pre

1013
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: order offers that I saw from multiple different big box

1014
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: stores currently where you can get it for almost twenty

1015
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: dollars cheaper. So shop around, guys. It's Christmas is coming. Ye,

1016
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: you love a discouser out there, The deals are out there,

1017
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: and yeah, let's see what happens. I love a psychic power,

1018
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: I love a girl in a cool mech suit, and

1019
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: I love a motorbike. So fingers crossed, do something a

1020
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: little bit, a little bit different, but we will see you.

1021
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 9: I'm excited. Thank you, Rosie of.

1022
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: Course, thanks for having thanks for joining me. Enjoy the

1023
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: game when it does come out, and we'll definitely we'll

1024
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: definitely have you back on to talk about it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's the episode. Thank you for listening, Thanks to my

1026
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Speaker 1: incredible guests, and we'll be back tomorrow with the biggest

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Speaker 1: nerd news of the week.

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Speaker 11: Bye x ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion and

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Speaker 11: Rosie Night and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 11: Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.

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Speaker 1: Our producers are Common Laurent Dian Jonathan and Fay Wack.

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Speaker 11: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 11: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 1: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny good Then

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