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Speaker 4: I'm Steve grerid Is Thursday, the sixth of February.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to the day's stop choices. Always. Thank you

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Speaker 4: Yesterday, President Trump signed an executive order protecting women and

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Speaker 4: keeping men out of women in sports at the high

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Speaker 4: school and college level. Also, protesters followed Ice operations, warning

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Speaker 1: But where did the leaks come from? Big question?

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Speaker 4: Then later Louisiana Senator Bill Casiy releasing a statement saying

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Speaker 4: he will vote for RFK Junior as the Health and

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that. All of that coming up on

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Speaker 1: AVL today. Let's start here.

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Speaker 4: A federal judges ruled that the Treasury Department must grant

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Speaker 4: limited access, just limited access, to sensitive payment systems, including

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Speaker 4: some related to the Doze cryptocurrency. The ruling, which stems

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Speaker 4: from a legal challenge, could have implications for transparency regarding

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Speaker 4: how the government interacts in its payment systems. Although the

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Speaker 4: judge acknowledged the need for openness in government operations, concerns

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Speaker 4: over national security and privacy have resulted in restrictions on

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Speaker 4: the scope of the records to be released. This decision

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Speaker 4: could set a precedent for future cases involving the disclosure

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Speaker 1: It's a concern. Also, a federal judge has.

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Speaker 4: Put a pause on the Trump administration's plan to buy

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Speaker 4: out federal workers, which was part of a push to

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Speaker 4: the legal and practical issues that could arise from the buyout,

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Speaker 4: potentially impacting thousands of employees.

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Speaker 1: Joining out to discuss this and more.

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Speaker 4: Representative Harriet Higgeman of the Great State of Wyoming, congress Woman.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for being here, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about this.

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Speaker 4: More than forty thousand federal workers said yes, I'll take

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Speaker 4: the buyout and be a payout over about eight months.

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Speaker 1: That they would basically an eight month paid vacation.

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Speaker 4: And those on the left are I mean, they're screaming

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Speaker 4: federal employees had taken early buyout. I guess it's okay

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Speaker 4: for Democrats, not for Republicans.

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Speaker 1: Kind of par for the course, Isn't it That.

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Speaker 2: Double standard raises its ugly little ahead every time you

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Speaker 1: Sure does?

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Speaker 4: How important is this the streamline government? I look, we

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Speaker 1: But how important to.

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Speaker 4: Downsize government to reduce the number of employees we have?

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Speaker 2: But I think there's a bigger issue here that people

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Speaker 2: I think this is exposing a very scary situation because

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Speaker 3: We now have judges saying, oh, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: And we now have.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, clearly under his purview. It's the executive branch.

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Speaker 4: These are executive agencies. You should be able to hire

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Speaker 4: these activist judges seem to go to different directions, you know,

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Speaker 4: and the list is. It's a mind blowing list, Madam congresswoman, And.

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Speaker 1: For me, it's outrageous. But what's more outrageous.

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Speaker 4: USA IDEA doesn't think they have to answer to anyone.

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Speaker 2: That's been very clear, And they do not come within

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Speaker 2: But I have talked to other representatives and they've said

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Speaker 2: They truly do believe that they are a rogue agency

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Speaker 3: We truly do have a rogue.

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Speaker 3: Yet that's what they've been spending money on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it looks like they're spending money on throwing overthrowing

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's very shrill, it's very it's it's full

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what they're defending. And they're attacking Elon Musk.

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Speaker 4: Look from where I stay in Congress from wan, Elon

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Speaker 4: Musk is the messenger. He saying, look, you've got spending

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Speaker 2: No, you know why they're screaming That money is being

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Speaker 4: want to know how the money is being spent. And

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Speaker 2: What do you say in terms in terms of the money,

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Speaker 2: as these other agencies. Abolishing the federal Department of Education,

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Speaker 2: which we should because education is a state issue, not

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Speaker 2: At the amount of money that we spent that we

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Speaker 2: spend on these agencies, it's outrageous. But here's another question

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Speaker 2: we need to be asking, not only in terms of

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Speaker 2: the questions I have is why is the Department of Education?

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Speaker 2: Why do they have weapons at ammunition? Why does the

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Speaker 2: arming these federal agencies? What is the purpose that belongs.

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Speaker 4: it's an incredible expenditure of people going, look, why is that?

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Speaker 2: they're trying to make create a shortage in ammunition because

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Speaker 3: The very same time.

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Speaker 2: But again, I don't know how we got to the

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Speaker 2: federal agencies, and as you say, they're stockpiling weapons at ammunition, again,

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Speaker 2: an expense that we should not be paying for. In

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Speaker 2: addition to looking at their fundamental purpose, the National Forest Services,

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Speaker 2: here we are, the Forest Service is doing everything.

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Speaker 3: Outside of that.

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Speaker 2: We need to get back to the appropriate scope and

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Speaker 2: they were created for and stop this nonsense.

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Speaker 4: Well, you're exactly right, and obviously in Wyoming you know

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Speaker 1: Use of the land the way it's supposed to be used.

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Speaker 4: But I'm of the opinion that the federal government shouldn't

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Speaker 4: it fits in the constitution. That's an argument that we

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Speaker 4: could spend all day on. Let me ask you about

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Speaker 4: guess I've never seen anything like it. I've covered a

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Speaker 1: It is look at a smile on your face.

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Speaker 4: It is absolutely remarkable, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: It's exciting.

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Speaker 2: I was at the White House yesterday for the signing

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Speaker 3: Out of girls' sports. It's an exciting time to be here.

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Speaker 3: We're going to accomplish a lot, and we have Donald

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Speaker 1: We do so about being in the room for that.

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Speaker 4: When it comes to culture wars, it is always been

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Speaker 4: on that one. That's the hill they want to die

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Speaker 4: on as transgender women, which is biological men in women's sports.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, it was tossed out yesterday.

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Speaker 4: The NCAA says they will follow the federal laws now immediately.

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump says, not only will we not allow it

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Speaker 1: He is setting the center not just for the United States,

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Speaker 2: That's why I'm saying USA I D is so incredibly

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Speaker 2: insidious because it's the agency that has been fostering and

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Speaker 2: this cultural stuff is coming from is through USAID. Cutting

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Speaker 2: of who and what we are. I don't think seven

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Speaker 3: Yet here we are.

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Speaker 2: Because of this cultural war that we have been in,

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Speaker 1: Well, congress Woman, I greatly appreciate you being here.

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Speaker 4: The people of Wyoming are lucky to have you, considering

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Speaker 4: the predecessor that was there.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you came on. Look forward to talking to

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Speaker 1: you again. Thank you so much, Thank you greatly appreciate

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Speaker 1: it all.

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Speaker 4: Right, coming up after the break, as you know, President

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Speaker 4: Trump signed a big executive order as we just discussed

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Speaker 4: protecting women, and coming up next a woman who has

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Speaker 4: been fighting for that, who is also in the room.

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Speaker 1: She'll be joining me next year in America's Voice Live