1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A beautiful little fourteen year 2 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: old girl who loved her ballet classes is missing. Where 3 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: is Aliyah? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I'm just nauseous 4 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: all the time right now because I'm so worried about her, 5 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: Like I can't even falldom that this is actually happening. 6 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: As the search continues for missing fourteen year old Elio 7 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: Romires of Syracuse, her ballet instructor Hailey Toy is hoping 8 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: for her safe return home. We just, like we all 9 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: just want to see her home safely. If she ran away, 10 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: if someone has her, like, just let her go home. Secondly, 11 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: the last images of Alia taken from this ring video Doorbell, 12 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: eight digs ago. Around eight m Tuesday morning, Aliyah can 13 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: be seen leaving her Syracuse home for school wearing a 14 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: black jacket, gray and white sweatpants, and a purple Nike backpack. 15 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: So Tuesday morning, she was getting ready to go to school, 16 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: and we know that she did not get on the bus. 17 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: Did not get on the bus. A staggering number of 18 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: child disappearances, kidnaps, and attimpted kidnaps revolve around the route 19 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: to school. En route to the school bus stop en 20 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: route to the school itself, leaving pickup and drop off 21 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: at the school bus stop. A staggering number above forty 22 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: percent of all kidnaps and attempted kidnaps happen related in 23 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: some way to getting back and forth to school. With 24 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: me An All Star to help determine where is Eliah? 25 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: Tipline five to seven four two six seven, five six 26 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: six seven. Repeat tipline for this beautiful young girl just 27 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: fourteen five to seven four two six seven five six 28 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: six seven. All indications are she's on her way to school, 29 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: her normal wake up time, she's dressed for school, she's 30 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: got her backpack, she's on the way. Nothing unusual, no 31 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: family argument that we know of nothing, and she seemingly 32 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:35,679 Speaker 1: disappears into thin air. It's frighteningly similar to the disappearance 33 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: of J. C. Duker, who disappeared on her way to school. 34 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: She was found many years later, having given birth to 35 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: multiple children by her kidnap, her being forced to live 36 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: in a shed for years and years with me An 37 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: All Star panel Katie Reynolds, who is Eliah's dear friend 38 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: and mentor. They dance at the same studio at Instagram. 39 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: Kat dot Reynolds Twitter, kkt Reynolds. Wendy patche California prosecutor, 40 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: author of Red Flags and host of Today with Doctor 41 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: Wendy KCBQ, San Diego. Doctor Teresa Gill, pH d, Professor Psychology, Psychotherapist. 42 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: She is the author of Women Who Were Sex Abused 43 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: as Children. Joseph Scott Morgan death Investigator, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville 44 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: State University. Author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon 45 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: at star of a new series, The Piketon Massacre Returned 46 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: to Pike County on iHeartRadio. Renowned founder and president of 47 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: the Coursen Security Group at courses Security Group dot com. 48 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: Author of The Safety Trap, a security expert secrets for 49 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: staying safe in a dangerous world. Spencer Courson but first 50 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: to leave I Page Crime online dot com. Investigative reporter 51 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: and host of Crime and Scandal true crime podcast LEVI 52 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: Take a Listen to our friends at WNDU. Police are 53 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,279 Speaker 1: looking for a missing fourteen year old out of Syracuse, 54 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: Olia Ramirez was last seen Tuesday morning. She's five nine 55 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: was wearing a black zip up jacket, grain white sweatpants 56 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: with a purple Nike backpack. She's believed to be in danger, 57 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: So this is very important here. Anyone with information is 58 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: asked to call police. The devastated family believe she has 59 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: been kidnapped, the parents saying they knew immediately that something 60 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: was horribly wrong. To you, Levi, page when and where? 61 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: Let's start with where was she abducted? Where do we 62 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: think she was abducted? Bancy? She is in Syracuse, Indiana, 63 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: event is where she was possibly abducted. Syracuse is a 64 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: small town in Indiana, population of around two thousand, eight 65 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: hundred people. A lot of lakes in that town. Very beautiful, 66 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: but a very small town, Syracuse, Indiana. Many people that 67 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: first see the story think we're talking about Syracuse, New York, 68 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: which is a whole another ballpark, much more populated. What 69 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: did you say? The population is here, Levi? About two thousand, 70 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: eight hundred people. And the reason I asked that, obviously 71 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: to you, Jo Scott Morgan, is because the more rural 72 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: or less populated the area is the lower the crime rate. 73 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: Which really you look at this sort of crime through 74 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: a different lens than you would in a big city. Yeah, 75 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: most certainly, Nancy, and the odds that you're going to 76 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: meet up with some type of malevolent force there some 77 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 1: individual it's going to do harm to. An individual is 78 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: lower seemingly, so that kind of narrows your field when 79 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: you begin to think about who may have crossed a 80 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: Leiah's path, who's in her world, who's in her universe? 81 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: Who could give us an idea is to where she 82 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: may have wound up or where she is right now. 83 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: Of course she used Spencer Corsta and found her president 84 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: of Course and Security Group and author of the Safety Trap. 85 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: No one will ever forget Dylan and Shasta Gronee, a 86 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: brother and a sister who lived in very, very rural Cordelaine, Idaho. 87 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: They were spotted at their above ground pool by a 88 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: freak that was driving by on the interstate and in 89 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: the distance from his advantage point he must have had 90 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: a rise in the interstate. He could look over and 91 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: he saw Shasta in her swimsuit at the pool, got 92 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: off the interstate, staked out the family, killed the whole 93 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: family except Dylan and Shasta. He ultimately killed little Dylan 94 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: after many, many molestations and torture. Shasta was rescued because 95 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: the woman in a seven eleven recognized her. That was, 96 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: as we say, in the middle of nowhere and the 97 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: same thing here. Just because you're in a rural area 98 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: does not mean crime cannot enter your life. Spencer Courson, No, 99 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: I think you're completely correct. And one of the reasons 100 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: I think that predators tend to target these small town, 101 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: more intimate communities is because they are more likely to 102 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: be less vigilant and more polite. So someone who comes 103 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: up to a student asking for directions or bating them 104 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: with some kind of language, those individuals are much more 105 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: likely to engage with those strangers rather than to have 106 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: a heightened state of vigilance. What more do we know 107 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: about the area? Take a listen to our friend Abraham 108 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: Sama sixteen years wn d year walk from Eliah's home, 109 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: just a few blocks away from her bus stop, to 110 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: walk from her house to the school bus stop. It's 111 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: not long, It's maybe like a five minute walk. Oh 112 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: walk that Toy believes was the last one Eliah took 113 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: before she went missing. She's she's so young, an idea 114 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: that she's going through all of this right now, she's 115 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: and she might not be safe. We don't know what's happening, 116 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: which is why if Aliah is watching, Toy wants her 117 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: to know this hang in there. You're such a tough, 118 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: tough kid, and people care about you and they love you, 119 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: and we're going to get you home safely, not at 120 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: this hour. Police Alia could be anywhere including Marion, Indiana, Georgia, 121 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: or even Palm Beach County, Florida. Kind of interesting they're 122 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 1: throwing out those particular cities. They said, Palm Beach, Georgia, 123 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: summer in Florida. Why are we getting those locales just 124 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: as a reference a framework. We know that there were 125 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: only four crimes, four violent crimes, and Syracuse, Indiana last year, 126 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: just four violent crimes. So where does this little girl, 127 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: fourteen year old Aliah remember as fit in crime stories? 128 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: With Nancy Grace joining me, Katie Reynolds, this is Eliah's friend, Katie. 129 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: We are being told that there was nothing unusual about 130 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: there that morning. There had been no family argument. She 131 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: has never run away before. What can you tell us 132 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: about your friend? Yeah, so, Aliah, she was a straight 133 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: a student. She was very involved in dance. She loved 134 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: it so much. She was just like any other kid 135 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: that was. She's very involved in all of her academics, 136 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: all of her studies. There's nothing unusual about her. Or 137 00:09:52,920 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: there was nothing that was interesting, or it was it 138 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: was not anything out of the ordinary. We there's no 139 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: suspicion of her leaving or disappearing. She had never run 140 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: away before. Straight a student, that's not easy. My children 141 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: worked all year long to get straight a's for the 142 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: whole year. That's not easy. And at her age, she's fourteen, 143 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: that means she's in the eighth grade, arising ninth grader. 144 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: She's looking at advanced algebra, a lot of detailed science, math, 145 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: English to make all a's. That's very impressive. This is 146 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: not a girl that has ever left home before. Now 147 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: here's a problem. And I write about this and my 148 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: new book, Don't Be a Victim, about all the kidnaps 149 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: and crimes that happened surrounding a school bus route. A 150 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: young girl, Aliana Defriz, was kidnapped from her bus stop 151 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: and the parents had no idea anything was wrong until 152 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: she did not get off the bus around four thirty 153 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: that afternoon. We are learning here that the father, Anthony, 154 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: says he didn't realize Aliah was missing until much later 155 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: in the day when he got a call from the 156 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: school regarding her absence. And we all know Wendy Patrick, 157 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: California prosecutor author red flags that those first three hours 158 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: and a kidnap, especially a child kidnap, are critical. Explain Wendy, 159 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: that's exactly right, Nancy, and I would say that's particularly 160 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: true in a rural area of small town twenty eight 161 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: hundred people. Somebody must have seen something. The reason it's important, Nancy, 162 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: is the distance that a kidnaps child can be transported 163 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: quickly during those first few hours, that precious time block. 164 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: The parents would much rather know sooner rather than later, 165 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: so everybody can leap in action and law enforcement can 166 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 1: start their work. That is what's most critical, and that's 167 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: what's heartbreaking here when from all indications it seems like 168 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: this precious young girl went missing before she even got 169 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: to the bus stop. And then, of course we wonder 170 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: was it someone she knew, Given the small community where 171 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: it's hard to go missing without a trade nobody, as 172 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: you pointed out earlier, nobody disappears into thin air. But 173 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 1: you're right, that's why the father much would have rather, 174 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: all of us would have much rather this has been 175 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: reported sooner. You know, I don't know if it is increasing, 176 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: but it seems as if it is, because it was 177 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: just about ten days ago. We covered the case of 178 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: a little girl elicit Vanal, about twelve years old, and 179 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 1: it's caught on video whereas she's sitting alone out in 180 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: the grass, she's playing with something or reading a book, 181 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: and that's the bus stop and it's in a circular 182 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: grass pattern where the bus comes up to get her. 183 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: And I observed a white it looked like a minivan 184 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: go by several times. It was around about and the 185 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: next thing I knew, out of the right side of 186 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: the video comes a grown male, white male grabs her. 187 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: She fights, fights him off. He still tries to drag 188 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: her back to his vehicle, and she brought him down. 189 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 1: And after she brought him down the struggle, he took 190 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: off and left. Take a listen to our friend reporting 191 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: this regarding Alyssa Bannel. This is w ea Art v 192 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: Olivia ivers for Simmons and Banal. The thought is chilling. Tuesday, 193 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: Alyssa's walk to the bus stop was nearly her last. 194 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: When you look at the video, when you think of 195 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: what could have happened, it's not a nice thought. If 196 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: I would have lost her yesterday, the chances of me 197 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: getting her back would have been very slim nearly every day, 198 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: but now walks her around the corner to the bus 199 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: stop on Pertydo Street and Corey Field Road. Tuesday, she 200 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: didn't needing, instead to tend to her baby as a mom, 201 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: making ends me. She tells me she feels a sense 202 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: of responsibility for what could have been. It's creating guilt 203 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: for not going off there. I mean, but I can't 204 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: let it tear me up because I was going up there. 205 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: None of if this is it's not my fault, it's 206 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: not her fault. This is that man's fault. Doctor Teresa 207 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: Gil joining me, professor's psychology and psychotherapist, Doctor Gil. I'm 208 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: trying to get into the mindset. I'm wondering if this 209 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: is a copycat of what just happened ten days ago 210 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: with Elisabe. Now did somebody see that on TV and 211 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: decide to do it themselves? That video was widely circulated, 212 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: Doctor Teresa Gil. It's it's like the hyena at the 213 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: edge of the watering hole in Savannah waiting for the 214 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: gazelle or the creature to come up to the water. 215 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: It's taken a lamp to the slaughter, grabbing a child, 216 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: and a route to the bus station. Well, it's interesting 217 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: when they talk about abductions, and a number of people 218 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: have mentioned it already that they look at the most 219 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: vulnerable and in a smaller town, the thought is that 220 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: she knew the person that may have abducted her, and 221 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: these things are pre planned. But it usually involves a vehicle. 222 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: It usually involves coming to or from school. She was 223 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: abducted around eight o'clock, and that's the seven to nine 224 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: in the morning when they're traveling to school and the 225 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: bus is usually when abductions occur. Also, girls between the 226 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: ages of ten to fourteen, they really are the most vulnerable, 227 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: and one of the reasons they're emotionally vulnerable is because 228 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: they don't have the maturity to make good decisions, to 229 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: set boundaries, to think about concert coins is to be 230 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: discerning about who they talk to and who they trust. 231 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: But Um, between the ages of ten and fourteen are 232 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: the ones that have abducted, and the older girls usually 233 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: are abducted because there's a sexual component to it and 234 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: so that just me as a mother, but also as 235 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: a therapist, yes, um makes the red flags even more disconcerting. 236 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: And concerns for alcohol, you know, Spencer, of course, and 237 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: it was seeing to me that there would be some 238 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: sort of a video camera or surveillance of some sort 239 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: at the bus stop, um, which I call out for 240 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: in my book, don't be a victim. But sadly there's 241 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: not I know, and nor was there at the bus 242 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: stop in that Florida incidents. Thank God that that autoparts store, 243 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: that that that parts store had a camera there, right. Yeah. 244 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: I think what we what we see with with so 245 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: many security plans, whether it be a school or an organization, 246 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: is that there's a wide divide between policy and practice. 247 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: You know, most school bus stops are supposed to have 248 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: some kind of coverings for inclement weather. This must have 249 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: some kind of a security feature that's supposed to either 250 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: be monitored or in person or remotely. But you know, 251 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: I think it's just so important that parents encourage children 252 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,479 Speaker 1: to participate in their own protection and to you know, 253 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: not be fearful, but to have that healthy sense of 254 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: skepticism and that moderate dose of vigilance which can really 255 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: help everyone to succeed in staying sick. Take a listen 256 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: to our friend Carly Miller at w n DU. Fourteen 257 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: year old Aliah Ramirez has been missing from Syracuse since 258 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: last Tuesday. She is five foot nine and one hundred 259 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: and thirty eight pounds with black hair and brown eyes. 260 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: She was last seen around eight am wearing a black 261 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: zip up jacket, gray and white sweatpants, and a purple 262 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: Nike backpack. Those who know Aliah from a dance studio 263 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: she's been a part of for years describe her as 264 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: a kind and selfless girl, and they say they were 265 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 1: shocked when they learned of her disappearance. I really really 266 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: need her home. I need her home for me, I 267 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: need her home, for her family, for herself, her safety. 268 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: She's two weeks older than my daughter, so they're a 269 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: super close in age, so I just can't imagine, like 270 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: you know, her being missing. And as the days go on, 271 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: I just increasingly become more concerned and more worried for 272 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: her well being. Reynolds, Sights and others say they're doing 273 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: everything they can, from posting on social media to handing 274 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: out hundreds of flyers Prime Stories with Nancy Grace to 275 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: Katie Reynolds. Eliah's friend, tell me about her personality. I 276 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: know she's never run away from home. That's not really 277 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: a factor, and the police consideration right now. Tell me 278 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: about her. Yeah, so she's a very very caring person. 279 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: When I say, like when she was at the studio, 280 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: she was always taking care of her little sister. She 281 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: was in the studio video just helping her all the time. 282 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: She was very, very sweet. She also had like a 283 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: little bit of sass and spunk to her. I mean, 284 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: she was a perfect addition to our Dan's family. She 285 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: was always a team player. That's how I could describe her. 286 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: She was always in it for others and it was 287 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: never a self She was never about herself. It was 288 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: always about other Katy. Did she keep her cell phone 289 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: with her at all times? Yeah, she did, but I 290 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: believe her dad took it away from her. So is 291 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: it your belief that at the time she went missing 292 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: she did not have her cell phone. Actually, we were 293 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: told that she had two phones. One phone was taken 294 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: from her dad and then the other one was bought 295 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: by her aunt Alyssa so that she could keep in 296 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: contact with her Analyssa. So she did have a cell phone. 297 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: Leave Page Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. Do we 298 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 1: know whether she had a cell phone with her when 299 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: she went missing? Nancy, We don't know if she had 300 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 1: her cellphone with her when she went missing, although at 301 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: fourteen years old, I would suspect that she most likely did. 302 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: We do know, Nancy that she also had a Google 303 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: Chrome book that she had for school with her as well. 304 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: I wonder if that is traceable. I'm going to circle 305 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: back to Spencer and Joe Scott on that. But let's 306 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: look at the timeline. We know that her last moments 307 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: that we know where she is were spotted on a 308 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: neighbor's ring doorbell of her leaving her own home just 309 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: after eight o'clock in the morning. We also know she 310 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: never made it to the bus stop. The bus stop 311 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 1: was just a couple of blocks away. That's only about 312 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 1: a ten minute window. Now, let's think about that, Joe 313 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 1: Scott morn a ten minute window. She didn't make it 314 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: to the bus stop. She disappeared in ten minutes. Yeah, 315 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: and it's a very narrow framework that we're talking about. 316 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: You think about She's on foot and I've looked at 317 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: the video footage of her and she's very calm, very 318 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: put together. She does have the backpack on her on 319 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: her shoulders, she's wearing it in an appropriate manner. She's 320 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: carrying an item looks like a bag in her right hand, 321 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 1: almost like something a shopping bag. I'm not really sure 322 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: what's in it. However, one thing caught my eye, Nancy, 323 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: when I was looking at this. There's a freeze frame 324 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 1: image of her in profile that's on the web right now, 325 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: and she's wearing a mask. Now, she's not around to 326 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: anybody else. She's obviously outdoors, so that gives me an 327 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: indication that she's going to be with a group of people. 328 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: In her mind, maybe at least she's thinking, Hey, I'm 329 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: going to the bus stop. They're gonna make me put 330 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: a mask on the bus, so I'm gonna go ahead 331 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: and have that on. And I think that that's an 332 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: important piece of this because this goes to her mindset 333 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: relative to being with groups of people waiting for the 334 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: bus and doing what. You know, we've already heard that 335 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: she's kind of a compliant child, she's well liked. She 336 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: probably does what authority figures tell her to do, so 337 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: she's put together in that sense. Now, you know, where 338 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: she just vanishes is quite the conundrum. And I looked 339 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: at the highway system around here, Nancy, She's not near 340 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: a major interstate. This town doesn't rest there's old US 341 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: Highway six that runs east and west. Now you can 342 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: go east and be in Cleveland, you can go west 343 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,959 Speaker 1: and you can be in Gary, Indiana, or Chicago. So 344 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if somebody is working this route through here, 345 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: as you and Spencer pointed out earlier. Let me ask 346 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: you this, Katie Reynolds, you're her friend and mentor there 347 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: at the dance studio. Does she have a boyfriend that 348 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: he is sixteen years old and he lives in Florida. 349 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: He's fifteen, she's fourteen. Do you know where he lives 350 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: in Florida? Would it might chance to be Palm Beach? Yes? 351 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 1: It is Okay, that's good, Spencer Courson, because if there's 352 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: any suggestion she's gone to be with a boyfriend, which 353 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: right now there's not, they know how to find him. 354 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: They know where he is. Her friends at the dance 355 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: studio know who he is. So certainly police know who 356 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: he is. And so my understanding, they've already looked in 357 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: Palm Beach, Florida and Marrying, Indiana both spots, and so 358 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: far they've come up with nothing, Spencer. So Spencer Coursen, 359 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: what do they do now? Well? I think they need 360 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: to expand the search. And I'm wondering if if how 361 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think the father knew about that 362 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: second cell phone, so the police may not have initiated 363 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 1: a cell phone tracking. You know, they may not have 364 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: initiated cell phone tracking if they didn't know about that 365 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: second cell phone, which could have been very crucial to 366 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: her immediate thing or her immediate retrieval. But also if 367 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: she was going to go to the boyfriend's house, like 368 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: things would be missing from her home, and looking at 369 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: the ring camera video of her, it does look like 370 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: the backpack has stuff in it, but it doesn't look 371 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: like it's packed for a trip. So I think what 372 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: you really need to do is also look at where 373 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: was the boyfriend during this time? Was he on his 374 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: way up to her, was on her way down to him? 375 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: Were they planning to meet somewhere in the middle. Having 376 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: all of those factors, you really just need to start 377 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: looking at the totality of circumstance for everything and really 378 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: hoping that this all works out for the best. Well, 379 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: what I'm saying to you is they've already checked out 380 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: the boyfriend and she's not there. That's one of the 381 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: first things they did leavi page. What can you tell 382 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: me about it, Nancy. I know that they searched a home. 383 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: They're not saying the homeowner was who lived in this 384 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: home in Bonton Beach, which is near Palm Beach, and 385 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: there was no sign of her in that home. So 386 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: that that is what we know about the search in Florida. Also, 387 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, go ahead, yeah, I was just gonna say 388 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: that just because she wasn't at the boyfriend's house doesn't 389 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: mean the boyfriend didn't do something to her. And you know, Nancy, 390 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: if she were planning to meet up with the boyfriend, 391 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: obviously should be caught easily if she was dragging a suitcase. 392 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 1: But what about looking to see if money was missing, 393 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 1: her makeup bag was missing, little things that would fit 394 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: within that backpack that we see on the rain camera 395 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: that would indicate this was some sort of a plan 396 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: to go be with a boyfriend that maybe went wrong. 397 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: So those will be something that investigators will look at 398 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: as well. I'm looking also, and the tune bag she's carrying, 399 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: and it's open. You can look in and see the 400 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: contents of the topebag. It's just like one of those 401 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: it looks like a grocery bag that you'd a fabric bag. 402 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: And her backpack does not look stuffed, not stuffed at all. 403 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: Maybe she's gotten just a chromebook in there. Guys, we're 404 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: talking about and missing fourteen year old girl. The tip 405 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: line for Aliah is five to seven four two six 406 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: seven five six six seven. Listen to our friend Carly 407 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: Miller sixteen years now. If this was your kid, you 408 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: would be doing the same thing. This is not my kid, 409 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: but I'm doing as much as I can because I 410 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: can't even imagine what her parents are feeling like right now, 411 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: and they need people to share lee Is picture and 412 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 1: information in hopes of getting her home safe. Whatever I happened, 413 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: whatever is going on. I just really hope that she's 414 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: okay and I want her to be returned to safety. 415 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: And it just takes one person possibly seeing her, spotting 416 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: something funny or you know, just just about one person. 417 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: So just keep spreading the word. I just want to 418 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: make sure that her face is out there. If you 419 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: have any information about Eliah, please call Syracuse Police or 420 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 1: nine one one BA to Katie Reynolds, this is Eliah's 421 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: friend at the dance studio. Were you saying something earlier 422 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: about her grandmother. Yes, her grandmom actually lives in Florida 423 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: as well, and she has a residency in Indiana. Well, 424 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: she's two habits, so's it's the grandma the one at 425 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: Mary in Indiana. Yes, she is okay. And do you 426 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: know where she the grandma is in Florida. Yeah, she's 427 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: actually next door neighbors to the boyfriend Bryce, right next 428 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: to the bar. Okay. Wonderful. So I know police have 429 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: extended the sort to marry Indian Anna and Palm Beach, Florida. 430 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: They don't think she's a runaway, but they checked just 431 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: to make sure. No sign of missing fourteen year old 432 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: Aliah Ramirez. I want to circle back to doctor Teresa Gill, 433 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: Professor Psychology and psychotherapist. The mindset of someone that steals 434 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: a child from the bus stop again, it's like easy pickings. 435 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: They're little children. They're gathered at the bus stop. It's 436 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: like going to the grocery store and buy a tomato. 437 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: You just picked the one you want. And she was 438 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: quite beautiful, and she stood out and she was fourteen 439 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: and naive, and she was five foot nine and a dancer. 440 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 1: And from what I've read, she was very comfortable on 441 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: people she knew, but she was rather shy and reserved 442 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: around people that she didn't know. So if somebody just 443 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: pulled up a vehicle and asked her a question or 444 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: she would probably have responded. And again, the most vulnerable, 445 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: that's who perpetrators pick. And you know, the fear is 446 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: that when there's a kidnapping, it's usually rare, but you know, 447 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: many times it's for human trafficking and then you know 448 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: murders a result of that at times. You know, it 449 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: just got Morgan, Professor Forensics, shacksonvill State University. You know 450 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: how many times I've tell my twins about don't talk 451 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: to anybody that comes up to you in a car, 452 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: don't try to help an adult. An adult does not 453 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: need a child's help. But then I have watched them 454 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: when a car has pulled up to them, they have paused. 455 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: You can tell a child over and over and over, 456 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: but their children. That's why under the law, they can't 457 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: enter a contract to buy a car, or get married, 458 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: or buy liquor or cigarettes because they don't have the 459 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: mental capacity. They don't quite get it that there are 460 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: wolves in sheep's clothing. Yeah, you're absolutely right, and predators. 461 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: Understand that, Nancy, this is the reality most kids. Most 462 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: kids are compliant when it comes to older individuals. You know, 463 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: they're they're they're around teachers, their parents, that sort of thing. 464 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: You know, do do as I tell you to do, 465 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. So immediately, if someone that is 466 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: at least at a basic level is perceived by them 467 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: to be an authority figure, they'll stop just for a second. 468 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: And then you throw in a little added bonus. Let's say, 469 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: you know the old the old adage, I have candy, 470 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: or can you help me find my puppy? You know, 471 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: of course, Aliah is a lot older than that. How 472 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: would you entice How would an adult entice a fourteen 473 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: year old to come and be compliant? You know she's 474 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: maturing now, she's not completely mature, But how how do 475 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: you get her into a vehicle from this location in 476 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: an area that she knows very well and that people 477 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: know her there? How do you entice her to get 478 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: in there and then leave with you? That's why I 479 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: think that we really have to I'm circling back. I 480 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: think that we really need to look at her circle 481 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: of intimates, those individuals that are immediately around her, who 482 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: has knowledge of her. Who's gonna know this early in 483 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: that this didn't occur late at night. She's walking down 484 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: dark alley or something. Nancy, it's early in the morning, 485 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: all right. Who has specifically targeted her or who has 486 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: facilitated her disappearance? Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we 487 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: were talking about the disappearance of a beautiful young ballet 488 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: student just fourteen years old, Alia Ramirez, who disappears en 489 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: route to the school bus stop. Take a listen to 490 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: Allison Zifheimer, ABC fifty seven. Elia Ramirez was lasting on 491 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: our way to school on April twenty seventh. Now our 492 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: family speaking with Dateline NBC about the investigation. This is 493 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: video from the final time Aliah left her home to 494 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: catch her bus to school. Her father and her mother 495 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: both talked about the days leading up to hers disappearance, 496 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: with her mom telling Dayline that she and her daughter 497 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: had a good day together two days before she disappeared. 498 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: Police are still searching for her and asked to call 499 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: police if you have any information. What do we know? 500 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: We were listening to reporter Alison Zitheimer. It is day six, now, 501 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: take a listen. It's going on day six now of 502 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: no new word and no new information on fourteen year 503 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: old Aliah Ramirez's whereabouts, and as the days continue to 504 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: go on, love One's concerns continue to rise. The Syracuse 505 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: Police Department continuing to investigate the disappearance of fourteen year 506 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: old Aliah Ramirez, who was last seen last Tuesday morning 507 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: at her ound eight am, leaving to catch her bus, 508 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: but never made it to school and never returned home. 509 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: The very next day, Wednesday, a statewide silver alert was 510 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: declared and still continues on almost a week later. It's 511 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: just not one so like have any issues and whatnot 512 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: like this before. As time goes on, it's heartbreaking. Syracuse 513 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: Police officials say, she is believed to be in danger, 514 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: but what else do we know? Take a listen to 515 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: Corinne Roseport Wayne's NBC. Ever since April twenty seventh, the 516 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: Syracuse Police Chief says investigators have been chasing down every lead. 517 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: It's definitely an urgency in locating her. You know, we'll 518 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: given that everything we have. We are working with the 519 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: Indiana State Police. He lies in. All the tools are disposal. 520 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: We start investigating from day one and we haven't stopped. 521 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,959 Speaker 1: We don't plan on stuff until we locate her. Aliah 522 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: is a talented dancer. Chief Lane says Aliah is believed 523 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: to have left Indiana. He says, if you think you've 524 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: seen her, call your local police department right away. He 525 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: also asks that you share information about her on your 526 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: social media pages. If you have relatives out of state, 527 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: share what my Facebook, Instagram, whatever platform they are willing 528 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: to use. But yeah, the more shares would get, the better. 529 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: The more we get her face out there and hopefully 530 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: you reach the right person. Chief Lane says the Ramiro's 531 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: family is cooperating in the investigation and that everyone wants 532 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: Aliyah to be found safe. I'm curious to Spencer Courson, 533 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: why are they so convinced this little girl is no 534 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: longer as they say local. Because of the tightness of 535 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: the community and the surrounding area, they would have known 536 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: if she would had if this had been a runaway, 537 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: she would have been to a bus stop or a taxi. 538 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: Someone would have seen something. With this time of time 539 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: and distance, they would have been able to narrow that focus. 540 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: My question and bringing me for my ignorance on this, 541 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: But at what point would the FBI be brought in 542 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: for this when there's already a cross line concern. It's 543 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: a child. Why is this still a local police issue? 544 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that it is to a local police issue. 545 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: Out to jo Scott Morgan, what do you know between 546 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 1: you and Levi Page. In the event that she has 547 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: crossed state line Spencer, of course, it is correct, it 548 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: would become an FBI issue. Yeah, it would, particularly if 549 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: they're expecting or anticipating that this is some type of 550 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: event where she's been taking against her will, you know, 551 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: specifically a kidnapping. Once that is initiated, you kind of 552 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: flip a switch with the FEDS at that moment in 553 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: time where they're going to be looking for her in 554 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: all of these locations, and all the force that can 555 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: be brought to bear with the FEDS will be brought online. 556 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: My suspicion is at this point in time, more than 557 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: likely the FEDS are aware. You've got Fort Wayne Field 558 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: Office that's not too far from there. My thought is 559 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: that they probably have gotten involved, but they just haven't 560 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: surfaced yet so that the public can see them. Rex. 561 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: My concern was not just kidnapping or runaway, but human trafficking. 562 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: Why do you say that she fits the target demographic? 563 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: Young impressionable, tall, attractive, ten to fourteen. That's the that's 564 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,879 Speaker 1: what human traffickers tend to target. At this point, now 565 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: the father is insisting that she is being held against 566 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: her will, but he's also saying he believes she may 567 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: be in Florida. But why would he think she's in 568 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,720 Speaker 1: Florida but yet being held against her will? Leave my page? 569 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: What if anything, do we know, Nancy? We know that 570 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: at one point she was living with her grandmother in Florida, 571 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,280 Speaker 1: and that's where she came in contact with this fifteen 572 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: year old boy. That they were a couple, boyfriend and girlfriend. 573 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: And we do know that in the Costudy case, the 574 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 1: judge actually ruled that she's not allowed to have any 575 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 1: contact with her grandmother or that fifteen year old boy. 576 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 1: Interesting no contact with grandma or the fifteen year old boy. 577 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,959 Speaker 1: What do you know about that, Katie Reynolds, Um, I 578 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: do know a little bit about that. It sounded like 579 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: they had gotten in a fight Aliah and her grandma, 580 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: But I don't know what that's about. Um. Yeah, I 581 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: believe that she leant her disappearance. She was in contact 582 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: with the boyfriend though, So let me understand the grandma 583 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: lives next to the boyfriend. They're in Florida. She is 584 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: in Syracuse, Indiana. How in the world would she have 585 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: gotten there unless someone came and got her or she 586 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: took a bus. But we don't. It can't be a bus, 587 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: show Scott, because she Oh, it can't be a bus. 588 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 1: What's gone within ten minutes of leaving home? Yeah, And 589 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: this is the key, isn't it. You know, she's fourteen 590 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: years old, Nancy. She has limited resources and limited options. 591 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: It's not like she's a college student. She can't call 592 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: an uber, you know, more than likely. I guess she could. 593 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 1: But it's just one of these things where you have 594 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 1: to have some kind of outside force facilitating this. If 595 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 1: this is something where she has initiated a separation from 596 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,399 Speaker 1: her father, you know, come and pick away from her 597 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: mother too, where have you pre arranged? Have you pre 598 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: arranged a meeting spot? Now? I find it curious as well. 599 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: We had mentioned earlier that daddy had taken her phone 600 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: away from her, and then she goes out allegedly and 601 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: purchases her own phone. You know, you can go and 602 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 1: get a burner phone somewhere. So she took the initiative 603 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: to go ahead and do that, and maybe he was 604 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 1: trying to stem this idea of her meeting up with somebody, 605 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: having communications this sort of thing. And I don't know. 606 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: I think that it's very difficult for fourteen year old 607 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: just to up and vanish without having some help, or 608 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: as Spencer talked about, you go to this really ominous 609 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: side where you have an individual that has snatched her 610 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: for a nefarious purposes. Take a listen to our friend 611 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 1: reported career in rose Port, Wayne's NBC ore cut thirteen. 612 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: Ever since April twenty seventh, the Syracuse Police Chief says 613 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: investigators have been chasing down every lead. It's definitely an 614 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: urgency in locating her. You know, we're given that everything 615 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 1: we have, we are working with in the nastate please 616 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: utilizing all the tools their disposal. So now what do 617 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: we do. What's the next step to you, jes Scott Morgan, 618 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: The next step, Nancy is to get this information out 619 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: on you know, we're in a different world, you know, 620 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: relative to social media. She's gonna pop up, and she's 621 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,280 Speaker 1: on social media anyway. We think that there's a footprint 622 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,839 Speaker 1: of her out there. She has known. You see these 623 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: beautiful pictures of her that look like she's been on 624 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 1: the gram as it were, and people know her or 625 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,879 Speaker 1: have seen her. This is going to be a draw. 626 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 1: So people have to get the word out to her. 627 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: She's not just going to go into a deep dark hole. 628 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: If this has been initiated by somebody in her circle 629 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: that has spirited her away, say to Florida, she's going 630 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 1: to surface down there. However, if we begin to look 631 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: at in the other direction, that's where the fads are 632 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: really going to have to do a deep dive and 633 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: bring upon all of their resources where they can hopefully, 634 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 1: hopefully get her out of the hands of whoever it 635 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 1: is that has taken her. What about it, Spencer Courson, Yeah, 636 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:24,439 Speaker 1: I completely agree. The entire ordeal just needs to raise 637 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: in size and scope and really dial down into what 638 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: actually happened, and so this can be resolved as quickly 639 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: as possible. I would say to try and track the 640 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: cell punch she's carrying, and trying to track that chromebook 641 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: or any other devices. That's the best way to find 642 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: a young girl. The father insisting along with police that 643 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,439 Speaker 1: she is in danger. Tip line five seven two six 644 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 1: seven five six six seven, help us bring Aliyah home. 645 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Kind's story, signing off Goodbye friend,