WEBVTT - Special Coverage: US Attacks Nuclear Sites in Iran

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<v Speaker 2>News headline out right now. Iran reserves all options after

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<v Speaker 2>US hits nuclear sites. Welcome to our coverage for the

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<v Speaker 2>next four hours here. We've been working on it all

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<v Speaker 2>good guests as well. Importantly, Nathan Hager in moments will

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<v Speaker 2>come to us with an update. We'll do that often

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<v Speaker 2>here as the news moves. We have voices from London

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<v Speaker 2>and Moments to Ethan Brodner in Tel Aviv, and of

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<v Speaker 2>course all of our usual Bloomberg news and Bloomberg surveillance

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<v Speaker 2>sources with me on a Sunday is Paul Sweeney. Paul,

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<v Speaker 2>the shock of those headlines last night. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>calm before the storm.

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<v Speaker 4>It was.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, President Trump had been out with some

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<v Speaker 3>statements or later last week saying, you know, basically up

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<v Speaker 3>to two weeks he may consider some strikes against Iran,

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<v Speaker 3>and then of course came out last night with some

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<v Speaker 3>serious strikes against the nuclear facilities here with some of

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<v Speaker 3>the biggest ordinance that the US has, and we'll see

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<v Speaker 3>what kind of response.

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<v Speaker 5>We get from Moran in the days coming forward.

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<v Speaker 2>driving that coverage with Golnar Mountevali as well. We will

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<v Speaker 2>go to conversations, but the new slow right now is

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<v Speaker 2>so thick, so dense, that we will often go to

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<v Speaker 2>Washington to Nathan Hagar for an update here with nine

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<v Speaker 2>nine one FM in Washington.

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<v Speaker 7>Nathan Hager, Tom Paul Good morning. It is potentially the

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<v Speaker 7>most consequential foreign policy decision of President Trump's time in office.

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<v Speaker 7>As we've been reporting, the President has authorized American bombers

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<v Speaker 7>to strike Iran's three main nuclear sites. The President announced

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<v Speaker 7>the attack first on social media and then in an

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<v Speaker 7>address to the nation from the White House. Here are

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<v Speaker 7>the President's remarks in full, as heard across Bloomberg last night.

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<v Speaker 6>A short time ago, the US military carried out massive

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<v Speaker 6>precision strikes on the three key nuclear facilities in the

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<v Speaker 6>Iranian regime for Doeau, Natanz, and s Fahan. Everybody heard

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<v Speaker 6>those names for years as they built this horribly destructive enterprise.

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<v Speaker 6>Our objective was the destruction of Iran's nuclear enrichment capacity

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<v Speaker 6>and a stop to the nuclear threat posed by the

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<v Speaker 6>world's number one state sponsor of terror. Tonight, I can

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<v Speaker 6>report to the world that the strikes were a spectacular

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<v Speaker 6>military success. Iran's key nuclear and Richmond facilities have been

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<v Speaker 6>completely and totally obliterated. Iran, the bully of the Middle East,

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<v Speaker 6>must now make peace. If they do not, future attacks

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<v Speaker 6>would be far greater and a lot easier. For forty years,

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<v Speaker 6>Iran has been saying death to America. Death to Israel.

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<v Speaker 6>They have been killing our people, blowing off their arms,

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<v Speaker 6>blowing off their legs with roadside bombs. That was their specialty.

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<v Speaker 6>We lost over a thousand people, and hundreds of thousands

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<v Speaker 6>throughout the Middle East and around the world have died

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<v Speaker 6>as a direct result of their hate. In particular, so

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<v Speaker 6>many were killed by their General Cassem Solomoni. I decided

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<v Speaker 6>a long time ago that I would not let this happen.

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<v Speaker 6>It will not continue. I want to thank and congratulate

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<v Speaker 6>Prime Minister bb Net Yahoo. We worked as a team

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<v Speaker 6>like perhaps no team has ever worked before, and we've

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<v Speaker 6>gone a long way to erasing this horrible threat to Israel.

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<v Speaker 6>I want to thank the Israeli military for the wonderful

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<v Speaker 6>job they've done. And most importantly, I want to congratulate

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<v Speaker 6>the great American patriots who flew those magnificent machines tonight,

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<v Speaker 6>and all of the United States military on an operation

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<v Speaker 6>the likes of which the world has not seen in many,

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<v Speaker 6>many decades. Hopefully we will no longer need their services

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<v Speaker 6>and this capacity. I hope that's so. I also want

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<v Speaker 6>to congratulate the Chairman of the Joint chiefs of Staff,

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<v Speaker 6>General Dan Raisin Kane, spectacular General and all of the

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<v Speaker 6>brilliant military minds involved in this attack. With all of

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<v Speaker 6>that being said, this cannot continue. There will be either

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<v Speaker 6>peace or there will be tragedy. For I ran far

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<v Speaker 6>greater than we have witnessed over the last eight days. Remember,

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<v Speaker 6>there are many targets left. The nights was the most

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<v Speaker 6>difficult of them all by far, and perhaps the most lethal.

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<v Speaker 6>But if peace does not come quickly, we will go

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<v Speaker 6>after those other targets with precision, speed and skill. Most

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<v Speaker 6>of them can be taken out in a matter of minutes.

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<v Speaker 6>There's no military in the world that could have done

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<v Speaker 6>what we did tonight, not even closed. There has never

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<v Speaker 6>been a military that could do what took place just.

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<v Speaker 2>A little while ago.

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<v Speaker 6>Tomorrow, General Kine, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth will have

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<v Speaker 6>a press conference at eight am at the Pentagon. And

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<v Speaker 6>I want to just thank every and in particular God.

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<v Speaker 6>I want to just say, we love you God, and

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<v Speaker 6>we'll love our great military. Protect them. God bless the

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<v Speaker 6>Middle East, God bless Israel, and God bless America.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 7>And that was President Trump speaking from the White House

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<v Speaker 7>last night alongside Vice President JD. Van, Secretary of State

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<v Speaker 7>Marco Rubio, and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth. As we get

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<v Speaker 7>more of a sense of what was carried out in

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<v Speaker 7>the overnight hours, the New York Times is reporting that

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<v Speaker 7>six B two bombers dropped a dozen bunker buster bombs

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<v Speaker 7>on Iran's underground at nuclear site in Fourdah, the same

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<v Speaker 7>weapons the Times as reporting were dropped on Natan's cruise.

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<v Speaker 7>Missiles were fired at Natan's and the third site at

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<v Speaker 7>Isfahan as well. The Associated Press says this morning that

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<v Speaker 7>satellite images do show damage to the entries at Fordoh

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<v Speaker 7>and the surrounding mountain side. And now, the US intelligence

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<v Speaker 7>community had recently assessed that Iran was not committed to

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<v Speaker 7>developing a nuclear weapon, and of course President Trump just

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<v Speaker 7>days ago had said he would give Iran within two

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<v Speaker 7>weeks before he made a decision to carry out that strike,

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<v Speaker 7>But the President had said he did not believe the

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<v Speaker 7>intelligence community's advice. This morning, Iran is vowing to respond.

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<v Speaker 7>There have been sirens and explosions heard across Israel this morning,

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<v Speaker 7>as the Israeli military says Iran has fired more missiles

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<v Speaker 7>at Israel overnight. Meantime, the Times is reporting that Iran's

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<v Speaker 7>medium range missile stockpile is depleted. Iran's Foreign minister Abos

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<v Speaker 7>Arakchi says the door to diplomacy is no longer open.

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<v Speaker 7>He plans to travel to Moscow today to meet with

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<v Speaker 7>Russian President Vladimir Putin. I'm Nathan Hager in Washington, Tom

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<v Speaker 7>and Paul back time.

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<v Speaker 2>Nathan, thank you so much. We'll be hearing from mister

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<v Speaker 2>Hagar often here across our four hours this morning. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>we're fifty minutes or so away from an important briefing

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<v Speaker 2>by the Secretary of Defense and I believe the Chairman

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<v Speaker 2>of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. It is two ten

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<v Speaker 2>pm in Tel Aviv. Changed Israel. We are advantaged by

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<v Speaker 2>Ethan Browner with us leading all of our coverage out

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<v Speaker 2>of the Middle East from Tel Aviv. Ethan, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much for joining us here on an exceptional Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>How is Israel changed this morning?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, morning, Tom, morning, Paul.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, Israel feels the sense in the air on television,

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<v Speaker 4>radio and people on the street as an enormous gratitude,

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<v Speaker 4>incredible sense of excitement, the belief that this.

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<v Speaker 8>Very very powerful.

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<v Speaker 4>Threat that had been hanging over this country's head for

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<v Speaker 4>a long time. If it hasn't been eliminated, it has

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<v Speaker 4>been very badly damaged. And in fact we're waiting both

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<v Speaker 4>the Israeli officials and everyone, when do you see what we

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<v Speaker 4>can learn about what happened at Foordah from those B

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<v Speaker 4>two's And I think, but you know, even more importantly

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<v Speaker 4>than the specifics of what happened and around us, this

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<v Speaker 4>notion that the United States has embraced this country's outlook.

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<v Speaker 4>The speech that President Trump just gave that you just played,

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<v Speaker 4>it could not have been. It could would not have

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<v Speaker 4>been written by almost by the coued spokesman.

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<v Speaker 8>It was.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a total embrace of the Israeli view of

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<v Speaker 4>Iran and of its own.

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<v Speaker 8>Future.

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<v Speaker 4>And so it's now all that said, everyone is a

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<v Speaker 4>little on edge and afraid, and flights have been were

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<v Speaker 4>canceled all morning, and school is canceled and so forth.

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<v Speaker 8>But we shall see.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that there's a sense of an important corner

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<v Speaker 4>having been turned Ethan.

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<v Speaker 3>What are the expectations about retaliations, either it within Israel

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<v Speaker 3>or the region?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I think that there is enormous speculation about

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<v Speaker 4>what Iran could and might still. Do we know that

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<v Speaker 4>they still have some long distance ballistic missiles. We imagine

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<v Speaker 4>that those four hundred kilograms of highly enriched uranium that

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<v Speaker 4>they have, if they were holding at a place like Florida,

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<v Speaker 4>was they say, was moved in advance.

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<v Speaker 8>Of the bombing.

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<v Speaker 4>So in theory, you could take sixty percent, which is

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<v Speaker 4>what it was enriched to, you could take those containers,

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<v Speaker 4>those canisters, and you can theory make a nuclear weapon

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<v Speaker 4>fairly quickly. Would Iran do that? No one really thinks that.

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<v Speaker 4>But nobody really knows. Could Iran attack American bases and

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<v Speaker 4>so forth, Israeli embassies, All these things are being discussed.

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<v Speaker 8>Nobody knows.

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<v Speaker 4>Iran is very defiant in its public posture. But it

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<v Speaker 4>must be said also that Iran hasn't been this week

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<v Speaker 4>in a very very long time. I mean, all of

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<v Speaker 4>its militias around the region have been taken out by Israel,

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<v Speaker 4>and now it is very much on its back foot

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<v Speaker 4>and led by a man in the late eighties who's

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<v Speaker 4>probably in a bunker Ethan.

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<v Speaker 5>What are the next steps?

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<v Speaker 3>Is a beliad for the Israeli military who's had such

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<v Speaker 3>amazing success in Iran.

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<v Speaker 4>Or amazing success. Indeed, look they're continuing to attack in

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<v Speaker 4>western southwestern around today. Let's not forget that Iran did

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<v Speaker 4>shoot off about forty missiles at Israel early this morning

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<v Speaker 4>Israeli time did. Nobody was killed as far as we know,

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<v Speaker 4>but to seventy or eighty people were hurt, buildings were

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<v Speaker 4>taken down, so they you know, there is still a

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<v Speaker 4>sense that this ballistic missile threat is of enormous significance

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<v Speaker 4>for Israel. The idea that every day, every night this

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<v Speaker 4>country has to run to bomb shelters to avoid it

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<v Speaker 4>is a huge threat. And you know, this is a

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<v Speaker 4>country that is a big part of the digital economy

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<v Speaker 4>of the world. It can't continue in this fashion. So

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<v Speaker 4>they are continuing to try to take out those launchers

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<v Speaker 4>and missile sites. But you know, we'll have to see

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<v Speaker 4>what's going forward. It's still a little unclear what's next,

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<v Speaker 4>and also it's unclear what the US will do next.

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<v Speaker 2>We continue with Ethan Brown, are driving all of Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 2>News out of Tel Aviv. We welcome all of you

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<v Speaker 2>on Bloomberg Television around the world across the nation on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Morning as well, and a serious exam across Canada

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<v Speaker 2>and the United States on Channel one twenty one, Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Matthew coming up with a balance of power shifting in Washington.

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<v Speaker 2>The first we continue with mister Briner.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Ethan, you mentioned the US military. Obviously a very

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<v Speaker 3>dramatic and lethal strike by the US military overnight. Is

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<v Speaker 3>there what is the expectation within Israel about the role

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<v Speaker 3>the US may play in the hours and days to come.

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<v Speaker 4>I think Israel has been extremely careful about expressing too

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<v Speaker 4>much expectation. The idea being that, you know, we make

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<v Speaker 4>it easy and then they want to join the winners.

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<v Speaker 4>That's been the approach. They think that's been an effective

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<v Speaker 4>approach with President Trump. Obviously, the President himself said we

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<v Speaker 4>will go back if we do not get what we want,

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<v Speaker 4>and he didn't specify in this speech, but has repeatedly

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<v Speaker 4>specified that what Israel in the United States together want

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<v Speaker 4>is for Iran to commit not to enriching uranium on

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<v Speaker 4>in soil and to give up as highly enriched uranium.

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<v Speaker 8>Iranda said it won't do that.

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<v Speaker 4>I would say that the Israel is going to continue

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<v Speaker 4>to do carried out and hope that the.

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<v Speaker 8>US will join them when necessary.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Ethan, one final question. I'm sure we'll be speaking

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<v Speaker 2>to you in the coming days as well. Shean Bremer

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<v Speaker 2>of Eurasia Group had a terse tweet or LinkedIn out

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<v Speaker 2>last night where he said, this is the best week

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<v Speaker 2>in the political career of mister Nta who do you

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<v Speaker 2>agree with? That is? This is essentially mister Trump supporting Netanya,

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<v Speaker 2>who is he could only dream of?

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<v Speaker 8>That's correct. I don't think that.

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<v Speaker 4>I think this is an incredibly powerful personal triumph for

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<v Speaker 4>Benjamin Taniah, who this is a guy who was in

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<v Speaker 4>pretty deep political trouble recently, and you know, it seemed

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<v Speaker 4>like it was over for him. And the story I

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<v Speaker 4>wrote for Bloomberg early this morning, I said that that Trump,

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<v Speaker 4>sorry that Natanya had was seen as kind of golden

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<v Speaker 4>a year, the guy who'd be forced out by a

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<v Speaker 4>terrible tragedy failure on his part, but in fact views

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<v Speaker 4>himself as Franklin Roosevelt, the guy who withstood the attack

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<v Speaker 4>on Pearl Harbor and turned it into a massive victory

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<v Speaker 4>for himself in the United States. So that's how I'm

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<v Speaker 4>Natanio sees himself. And look, I think Ian Bremer had

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<v Speaker 4>a point there.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally, Ethan, as you were speaking of Pearl Harbor in

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<v Speaker 2>December eighth, I was typing it into the computer. Ethan Bronner,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much from Tel Aviv this morning. And

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<v Speaker 2>we are on the same page and on the same

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<v Speaker 2>page with Joe Matthew, of course, wired into the politics

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<v Speaker 2>of Washington, his effort with balance of Power. Ethan, I

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<v Speaker 2>go to December eighth, nineteen forty one, not for the

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<v Speaker 2>drama of it or the equivalency of it, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is seared in our childhood. How FDR drove forward a

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<v Speaker 2>dialogue of war. I don't sense a dialogue here. Brief

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<v Speaker 2>as on how Republicans and Democrats will address to say

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<v Speaker 2>on the Sunday talk shows like Faceinination.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, it's a great question here, and obviously you're going

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<v Speaker 9>to hear a different angle from Democrats and Republicans. I

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<v Speaker 9>think Democrats, you can understand, they're going to be asking

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<v Speaker 9>for the right to declare an authorization for the use

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<v Speaker 9>of force. They're going to say that the president is

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<v Speaker 9>acting irresponsibly in some cases. I'm more concerned or more

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<v Speaker 9>interested to hear from Republicans who don't agree, because the

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<v Speaker 9>split that we've seen in Maga that some call a

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<v Speaker 9>civil war, and that might be pushing it a little

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<v Speaker 9>bit far has been fascinating, and this is something that

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<v Speaker 9>weighed heavily on President Trump as he made this decision,

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<v Speaker 9>knowing that Steve Bannon had lunch with him just a

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<v Speaker 9>couple of days ago to urge restraint here. That is

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<v Speaker 9>what preceded the two week announcement. Remember this interview with

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<v Speaker 9>Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruz that really brought this to life.

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<v Speaker 9>Charlie Kirk and the others have been really challenging Donald

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<v Speaker 9>Trump to stay true to his claim on the campaign

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<v Speaker 9>trail to start no new wars. That was the hallmark

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<v Speaker 9>of the first term. That was what's supposed to make

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<v Speaker 9>him different than Joe Biden. And here we are now

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<v Speaker 9>with MAGA trying to on a Sunday morning reconcile itself

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<v Speaker 9>whether it should in fact back the President of the

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<v Speaker 9>United States on something that they're very worried about.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe to the extent we want to get a view

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<v Speaker 3>on how President Trump's backing coalition and MAGA support.

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<v Speaker 8>Who should we look to.

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<v Speaker 3>There are there some figures that will really give us

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<v Speaker 3>a sense of is there a break in his support?

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<v Speaker 9>I think it's some of the names that I just mentioned.

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<v Speaker 9>It's Steve Bannon. Who's really been driving this. It's going

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<v Speaker 9>to be Tucker Carlson, who the President called cuckoo, remembering

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<v Speaker 9>that Tucker Carlson stumped for Donald Trump. All of these

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<v Speaker 9>guys were on the trail with him to try to

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<v Speaker 9>get him elected, and they still call themselves tried and

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<v Speaker 9>true supporters. Whether that breaks now is going to be interesting.

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<v Speaker 9>They may back him on an isolated strike, but guys,

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<v Speaker 9>we're all waiting to see what Iran does next and

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<v Speaker 9>if it does strike US interests in the region, this

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<v Speaker 9>is going to feel real different.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe, get to the hegxith press conference, frame out the

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<v Speaker 2>relationship of the Pentagon to the White House. Last night

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<v Speaker 2>we had President Trump with the Secretary of State, the

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<v Speaker 2>Secretary of Defense, the Vice President, all in civilian dress,

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<v Speaker 2>the civilian superiority over our military. Tell us how General

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<v Speaker 2>Cain and the others of the military fit into this discussion.

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<v Speaker 9>These are great questions because there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 9>new faces here at the Pentagon, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 9>them other than Pete Hegseth, have really not been public

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<v Speaker 9>figures so far. Our reporting, my reporting would suggest that

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<v Speaker 9>it's in fact not Pete Hegseth. We should be watching.

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<v Speaker 9>But Steve Feinberg, the Deputy Defense Secretary, who has been

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<v Speaker 9>knee deep in this, working directly with the White House,

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<v Speaker 9>crossing the Potomac to make that connection, while Pete Hegseth

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<v Speaker 9>deals with a lot of hearings and a lot of

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<v Speaker 9>other issues that have put him somewhat on the outs.

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<v Speaker 9>With President Trump, they did stand side by side. We

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<v Speaker 9>should note hegseeth Trump in the cross hallway at the

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<v Speaker 9>White House last night, and Hegseth is going to hold

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<v Speaker 9>forth in this news conference. He'll be the face of

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<v Speaker 9>this publicly. Behind the scenes, it's Finberg working with the

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<v Speaker 9>White House to a great degree, which is really something

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<v Speaker 9>that feels unusual at a time of war.

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<v Speaker 2>But with your expertise on this, Joe Matthew, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the fact is Steve and Andrew Feinberg is a major

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<v Speaker 2>Republican donor. We in the Bloomberg world, folks know him

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<v Speaker 2>all with his work at Cerberus, a clay tennis player

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<v Speaker 2>at Princeton, etc. Etc. What is his competency here within

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<v Speaker 2>the Pentagon?

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<v Speaker 9>Listen, That's not a question that I can probably answer,

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<v Speaker 9>and we have a great team covering the Pentagon on

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<v Speaker 9>that front. He hasn't been on the job for that long.

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<v Speaker 9>Whether he has real military chops is another matter. And

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<v Speaker 9>the same goes for a chairman of a Joint Chiefs

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<v Speaker 9>who's got a great experience on the battlefield but is

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<v Speaker 9>actually pretty new to this job. Remembering that Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 9>wanted to clean house and Pete Hegseth did as well,

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<v Speaker 9>all of this remains to be seen on really, frankly,

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<v Speaker 9>what's the next move. We can't underscore the importance of

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<v Speaker 9>what just happened, but this is not the end of something.

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<v Speaker 9>It's the start of something when we start considering the

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<v Speaker 9>needs of force protection in places throughout the Middle East,

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<v Speaker 9>like Saudi Arabia, like even in Iraq and Syria, where

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<v Speaker 9>we have thousands of US troops the UAE, for instance,

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<v Speaker 9>could all be within the reach of Iran right now.

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<v Speaker 9>And politically speaking, you know, how far does Congress let

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<v Speaker 9>this go without, in fact and authorization for the use

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<v Speaker 9>of force. That's going to be a big question in

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<v Speaker 9>the weeks ahead, because this is not likely to be

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<v Speaker 9>something that stops tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe, what do we expect from the Democrats here? There's

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<v Speaker 3>some reporting that they were not even briefed on this

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<v Speaker 3>operation here.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, what's the actually interesting. It's not going to help

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<v Speaker 9>the conversation. Like Tom said, coming up after we're done here,

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<v Speaker 9>when we turn to the Sunday morning shows here on Bloomberg,

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<v Speaker 9>they were already concerned about this. They were already calling

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<v Speaker 9>out Donald Trump for preparing a strike like this. Now

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<v Speaker 9>that he's done it, and they weren't in the loop.

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<v Speaker 9>That goes for a lot of things around here. We've

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<v Speaker 9>got a reconciliation process that they're not involved in as well.

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<v Speaker 9>It's a familiar feeling for Democrats, but when it comes

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<v Speaker 9>to national security, it has a bit of a different tinge.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Matthew, thank you so much for Balance of Power.

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<v Speaker 2>Who will be with us through the show this morning,

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Matthew in Washington, we say good morning to you

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<v Speaker 2>on Bloomberg Television, on Bloomberg Radio worldwide, a special Good

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<v Speaker 2>Morning in ninety nine one FM in Washington. There will

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<v Speaker 2>be a briefing here in forty minutes scheduled by the

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<v Speaker 2>Secretary of Defense of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs

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<v Speaker 2>of Staff. Well see who else shows up for that briefing.

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<v Speaker 2>in Washington, Nathan.

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<v Speaker 7>Hager, Tom Paul. It is a wider war in the

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<v Speaker 7>Middle East this morning. Last night, President Donald Trump said

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<v Speaker 7>American bombers had completely and totally obliterated Iran's three main

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<v Speaker 7>underground nuclear sites at Ford OH and Ton's and Ishfahan.

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<v Speaker 7>In an address to the nation from the White House,

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<v Speaker 7>the President said there would be far greater attacks if

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<v Speaker 7>Iran does not make peace. This morning, the Associated Press

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<v Speaker 7>as satellite images showed damage to the entries and surrounding

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<v Speaker 7>mountain side at Ford Oh. The UN's nuclear watchdog had

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<v Speaker 7>worn against an attack like this because of the risk

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<v Speaker 7>of radiation leaks, but right now the International Atomic Energy

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<v Speaker 7>Agency says there is no sign of increase in off

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<v Speaker 7>site radiation levels, and Iran's Red Crescent says there were

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<v Speaker 7>no deaths from last night's attacks. This morning, Israeli Prime

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<v Speaker 7>Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says the strike was done in full

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<v Speaker 7>coordination with his country. Now Iran is vowing to respond.

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<v Speaker 7>There have been sirens and explosions heard in Israel this morning.

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<v Speaker 7>Iran's Foreign minister of bas Arakchi says the US crossed

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<v Speaker 7>a very big line last night that had also bombed

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<v Speaker 7>the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty and the International rule of Law.

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<v Speaker 7>European Commissioned President Earth Levanderline says, now is the moment

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<v Speaker 7>for Iran to engage incredible diplomacy while warning the country

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<v Speaker 7>cannot obtain a nuclear weapon. China just released a statement

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<v Speaker 7>strongly condemning the US strikes and calling for a ceasefire,

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<v Speaker 7>particularly from Israel. Iran's foreign minister says he will head

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<v Speaker 7>to Moscow today to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

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<v Speaker 7>That is Iran's strongest ally in the region. I'm Nathan

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<v Speaker 7>Hager in Washington, Tom and Paul.

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<v Speaker 2>Nathan, thank you so much, greatly appreciated for the markets today.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's remember it is Sunday. Little trading on the Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 2>launch bed. There is one thing trading in Paul. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>frankly surprised Bitcoin is down so little. As a thermometer,

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<v Speaker 2>a global thermometer of the moment Yep, it really hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>declined all that much. Off the shock note of this.

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<v Speaker 3>Geop and Tom, you know, Dan Curtis are from Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 3>Television out of London.

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<v Speaker 5>Some really good helpful news here.

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<v Speaker 3>Just to keep us up the date, Oil, We'll begin

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<v Speaker 3>trading six pm Eastern time tonight. US treasuries open eight

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<v Speaker 3>pm Eastern time tonight.

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<v Speaker 5>US equity futures will open around.

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<v Speaker 3>Six pm Eastern time tonight, and the currencies around five

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<v Speaker 3>pm Eastern time on Sunday, So it's later today.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll starting to get a sense of the market's reader.

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<v Speaker 2>I pick it up at seven pm as a traditional thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it'll be a little bit earlier this time around.

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<v Speaker 2>But look to Bloomberg this evening for the Asia morning.

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<v Speaker 2>His book of thirteen years ago is definitive. It is

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<v Speaker 2>indispensable when leaders really matter. It is a set of

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<v Speaker 2>chapters of leadership in times of crisis for America. Gotamacunda

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<v Speaker 2>joins us, of course, with Yale University, in this case

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<v Speaker 2>a book from the Harvard Business Review of years ago. Professor,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for beginning our conversation this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>We are alluding to December eighth, nineteen forty one in

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<v Speaker 2>our memories is a protocol process of going to war.

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<v Speaker 2>Did the president breach that protocol last night?

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<v Speaker 8>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Completely, We're not even in the universe of protocol. But

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<v Speaker 1>that is not a set of laws and rules that

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<v Speaker 1>we've been forced in my lifetime. So we're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to start now.

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<v Speaker 2>When you look at Indispensable, and I look at the

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<v Speaker 2>chapter leading up to World War Two, which is on

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<v Speaker 2>Chamberlain and then over to Churchill, is well from where

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<v Speaker 2>you sit and the synthesis of your books and the

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<v Speaker 2>presidency is this a nation behind its president, not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And so there's always a rally around the flag effect

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<v Speaker 1>during a crisis. And I think the first opinion polls

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<v Speaker 1>will probably be pretty supportive, but because they usually are,

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<v Speaker 1>but most pulling for this beforehand was not supportive of

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<v Speaker 1>a strike. And I heard the discussion about whether the

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<v Speaker 1>MAGA movement will fracture over this. I doubt that it will.

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<v Speaker 1>You're already seeing major people there who had yesterday opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to strike today saying the president. The president has acted wisely.

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<v Speaker 1>But for the country as a whole, I think a

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<v Speaker 1>lot depends on what happens next. It is at this

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<v Speaker 1>point the Iranians move not ours, that will determine how

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<v Speaker 1>things play out.

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<v Speaker 5>Gotham.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think pushed President Trump to make this move? Again,

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<v Speaker 3>a pretty a very substantial move in terms of really

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<v Speaker 3>aggressively deploying US military in a very sensitive.

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<v Speaker 5>Part of the world. What do you think was his motivation?

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<v Speaker 1>It really is and it's worth sort of emphasizing that

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<v Speaker 1>there was no urgency here, right He had said, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>giving you two weeks. The Arians had signaled they were

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<v Speaker 1>open to negotiations, These facilities were not going anywhere. The

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<v Speaker 1>Iranians were not about We're not within weeks of a

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<v Speaker 1>bomb or anything like that. So it seems kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like and getting inside the head of the president is

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<v Speaker 1>always difficult. He saw the Israelis having an extraordinary tactical

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<v Speaker 1>and operational success, and you can't overstate just how effectively

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<v Speaker 1>it Israeli attacks event and he kind of wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>get in on it. And also, you know, observed that

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<v Speaker 1>there were a handful of targets that they could not

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<v Speaker 1>strike that we could. And again we don't have bomb

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<v Speaker 1>damage assessment from any reliable source, yet we don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how well these strikes worked.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you expect over the next coming days and weeks,

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<v Speaker 3>got them from the US Congress, both sides of the aisle.

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<v Speaker 5>In terms of response to this news.

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<v Speaker 1>So many Democrats will be outraged that they weren't even

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<v Speaker 1>briefed in, and that again is.

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<v Speaker 8>A violation of the law.

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<v Speaker 1>The law requires that you brief in senior Democrats as

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<v Speaker 1>well as senior Republicans when you're doing this kind of operation,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Trump administration just ignored that. But at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, I think Democrats probably don't want to be

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<v Speaker 1>seen as being completely opposed to a successful operation if

0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:32.080
<v Speaker 1>it is successful. So there's going to be some There's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be some cross currents there, as there are

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<v Speaker 1>on the Republican side, where Ran Paul I think has

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<v Speaker 1>already come out and saying he opposed these actions. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to see a lot of waiting and seeing.

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<v Speaker 1>The domestic politics are going to depend a lot on

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<v Speaker 1>how the r onind respond and how we respond to

0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:51.520
<v Speaker 1>that response. But I will note so Robert Kagan had

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<v Speaker 1>a really powerful article in the Atlantic yesterday pointing out

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<v Speaker 1>that administrations that were a lot more sort of careful

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<v Speaker 1>about civil rights and domestic rights than the Trump andministration

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<v Speaker 1>have used wartime to crack down domestically, and there has

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<v Speaker 1>to be some concern that the Trump administration is going

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<v Speaker 1>to do that here too.

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<v Speaker 2>I look at you. I think Kagan piece American democracy

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<v Speaker 2>might not survive a war with a run. That's very

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:17.880
<v Speaker 2>strong language. Here got a Macunda. The basic idea and

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<v Speaker 2>my heritage is on a presidential effort of military force

0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:27.080
<v Speaker 2>the nation in some way rallies around him. At this

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<v Speaker 2>press conference in thirty minutes. Is there going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a nation rallying around the Secretary of Defense.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there will be some, but this administration has

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<v Speaker 1>done everything possible to counter that. I mean, you even

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<v Speaker 1>have them releasing photographs of him in the situation room

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<v Speaker 1>wearing a campaign hat, you know, during a military strike.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just impossible to imagine any previous president doing that,

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<v Speaker 1>both out of you know you shouldn't, but also just

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<v Speaker 1>because if you do want the country to rally to,

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<v Speaker 1>you should give some signs that you respect and value

0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:04.240
<v Speaker 1>half the country.

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<v Speaker 3>How do you expect President Trump to play this in

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<v Speaker 3>the days ahead? I mean, this is it appears at

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<v Speaker 3>this early stage a wonderful military success.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you expect him to play this up or to

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<v Speaker 5>try to.

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<v Speaker 3>Just move forward and not you know, expose any tentral

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<v Speaker 3>riffs in his support?

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<v Speaker 1>I think he will continue to play as success. But Paul,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to emphasize, we don't know if this

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<v Speaker 1>was a success. R Let's just you know, go down the.

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<v Speaker 2>List, right.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know where the uranium hexafluoride is, so we

0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:16.320
<v Speaker 1>we just don't know, right, like is it buried under

0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:19.120
<v Speaker 1>four doah? Is it in the tons is fahan The

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<v Speaker 1>IAEA has said that they've just lost track of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and at sixty percent that uranium is quite close to

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<v Speaker 1>being ready to be weaponized. So if, just hypothetically speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>if we damaged but did knock out but did not

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<v Speaker 1>knock out four DOH, they likely will have enough centrifuges

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<v Speaker 1>there that if they choose to make a sprint to

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<v Speaker 1>a bomb, they might be able to do it relatively quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>If we completely destroyed FOURDAU, then it's a different situation,

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<v Speaker 1>but we don't know yet, so it's very sort of

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<v Speaker 1>very early to be announcing that we have complete success here.

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<v Speaker 3>So Galtam, I mean again, this was a significant escalation

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<v Speaker 3>by the US. What do you think the US is

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<v Speaker 3>willing to deal with in terms of retaliation here? If

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<v Speaker 3>there is retaliation, is this going to be something that

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<v Speaker 3>could drag the US into maybe a little bit more

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<v Speaker 3>involved situation.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's the fear on everybody's part, including I'm

0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:15.680
<v Speaker 1>sure the administration, which does not want that the Iranians all.

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<v Speaker 1>There are at least some reports that the Iridiance have

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<v Speaker 1>already started GPS janning ships in the Straits of Hormones

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:24.520
<v Speaker 1>if they really wanted to escalate, blocking the Straits would

0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:26.520
<v Speaker 1>be a way they could do that, and that's probably

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<v Speaker 1>still within their military capability since they can use mines

0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:31.640
<v Speaker 1>instead of other things to do that, but that would

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<v Speaker 1>have consequences right on the world price of oil. The

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese would probably be very unhappy if they did that,

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<v Speaker 1>so they may not choose to take that step. That

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<v Speaker 1>means that more like attack on US forces and the

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<v Speaker 1>Gulf attack sort of in the Gulf area, sort of

0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:48.280
<v Speaker 1>attack on American embassies, things like that, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>just sort of events have a momentum all of their

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<v Speaker 1>own in which they could do that. And if Americans

0:30:54.440 --> 0:30:57.960
<v Speaker 1>die in Iranian retaliation, then there's gonna be pressure on

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump, on the President to do bond once again.

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<v Speaker 2>Professor one final question, and I guess I go from

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<v Speaker 2>Clash of Civilizations a thought from the Charles River up

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:14.880
<v Speaker 2>in Boston years ago. The clash of civilizations over Ian

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<v Speaker 2>Bremer Eurasia groups every nation for themselves. Wow, if we

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<v Speaker 2>set up a change of our foreign policy, Secretary of

0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Rubio symbolizes that for the nation, what is the foreign

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<v Speaker 2>policy coming out of state?

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<v Speaker 1>It's not clear that foreign policy is coming out of

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<v Speaker 1>state because I mean, apart from all the hats that

0:31:37.640 --> 0:31:40.520
<v Speaker 1>that Secretary of Rubio is wearing. We keep seeing that

0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:43.840
<v Speaker 1>Trump make statements to conflict with his If I were

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<v Speaker 1>in state, what I would be really worried about is

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<v Speaker 1>the signal we just sent is the way you make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that the United States does not attack you is

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<v Speaker 1>to already have nuclear weapons.

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<v Speaker 9>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>The North Koreans demonstrated that, and the Iranians and the

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<v Speaker 1>Iranians who didn't have them more vulnerable. There have to

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<v Speaker 1>be quite a few countries the world that are looking

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<v Speaker 1>at this and saying, well, the non proliferation regime is over,

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<v Speaker 1>because the air audience were signaling that they would negotiate

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<v Speaker 1>and we and we struck anyways, and so they've got

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<v Speaker 1>to be thinking that given this, given what's happened, the

0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:14.719
<v Speaker 1>right thing for them to do is make a sprint

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<v Speaker 1>to acquire nuclear weapons as fast as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Gunna, thank you so much, really appreciate it. This morning

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<v Speaker 2>professor Yale University got a mcunder with his really incredible

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<v Speaker 2>books and the presidency of the nation. Paul, I think

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<v Speaker 2>the questions here into this press conference is actually where

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<v Speaker 2>is policy coming from? And I remember Bush the younger.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a surprise while they're making decisions at the

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<v Speaker 2>White House. I'm unsure of this statement, Paul Sweeney. Can

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<v Speaker 2>we say all decisions are coming from the White House?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that is so?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, It certainly seems like it, not just in military situations,

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<v Speaker 3>but on pretty much all policies seems to emanate from

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<v Speaker 3>the White House. And that's the way the President is

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<v Speaker 3>comfortable managing his administration.

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<v Speaker 2>Of extraordinary ability. With his tours of duty at Reuters

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<v Speaker 2>in Jerusalem posts, Dan Williams has provided really granular coverage

0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 2>for Israel in the levant for all of Bloomberg News,

0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:15.640
<v Speaker 2>and he joins us now from Jerusalem. Dan Williams, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for taking time in your afternoon on our Sunday

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<v Speaker 2>morning here in New York. Dan, I look at the

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<v Speaker 2>change in Iran and it projects to their support of

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<v Speaker 2>Hezbola to the north in Lebanon, of maybe Gaza and

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 2>certain forms as well, and other things. As the President said, Iran,

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<v Speaker 2>the bully is the bully diminished.

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<v Speaker 10>This morning, I think the Middle East power structure has

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<v Speaker 10>been reordered dramatically, possibly more than seen in a single

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<v Speaker 10>instant in decades. If ever, this is something that many

0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:55.360
<v Speaker 10>in the Middle East were anticipating. Some dreading, some hoping

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<v Speaker 10>for going back decades, the conclusive potentially invention of the

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<v Speaker 10>US superpower, with US firepower putting paid to sites in

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<v Speaker 10>Iran that would design specifically to withstand conventional attacks, including

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<v Speaker 10>by Israel, which is arguably the Middle East's mightiest military power.

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<v Speaker 11>So what we've seen now is Trump upending.

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<v Speaker 10>Effectively a status quo that was in place, that was

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<v Speaker 10>shaken admidly by eight or nine days of Israeli strikes.

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<v Speaker 11>But nonetheless this changes the equation utterly.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan, it is so important you bring us up and

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:36.040
<v Speaker 2>this goes back to October of nineteen eighty one. Paul

0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Squeeny brought this up earlier. Dan Williams, is framed around

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<v Speaker 2>the sea change of the War of nineteen sixty seven,

0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:46.800
<v Speaker 2>seared in a memory of a certain vintage as the

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<v Speaker 2>assassination of anwar sadat is all of Israeli leadership and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe even Western leadership. Are they at risk this morning

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<v Speaker 2>because of this bombing last night.

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<v Speaker 10>That's an extraordinarily good question. It's very acute. It would

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<v Speaker 10>seem that you're referring mainly to the prospects of upheaval

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<v Speaker 10>within Iran against the Iranian leadership.

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<v Speaker 11>Is that what you're referring.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go there as well. I think you can go

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<v Speaker 2>both ways. It can be threats to the Iranian leadership,

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<v Speaker 2>including the ayatola, or the other way, as we saw

0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:24.160
<v Speaker 2>with Rabin in with Sadat decades ago. Which is that

0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:27.160
<v Speaker 2>where we are this morning, where everyone I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 10>Say risk, I wouldn't say the Israeli leadership is at

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:32.960
<v Speaker 10>any risk. Indeed, there was an assassination of Prime Minister

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:37.280
<v Speaker 10>Rabine exactly three decades ago that was over risk taking

0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 10>and peacemaking with the Palestinians. If anything, the current leadership,

0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 10>specifically the Prime minist in NATANIAO, despite his very significant

0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:50.600
<v Speaker 10>dipping popularity over judicial reform efforts two years ago, over

0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:54.319
<v Speaker 10>the disastrous October seventh attack of Hamas which begun this war,

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<v Speaker 10>I think you're going to see his popularity increase with this,

0:35:58.040 --> 0:36:01.479
<v Speaker 10>including critics, and we've seen this already, the opposition leader

0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:05.200
<v Speaker 10>rallying to him regular critics in the Israeli media, admitting

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:07.480
<v Speaker 10>that this war the way conducted it, and in fact,

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:11.120
<v Speaker 10>the way he conducted contacts with President Trump, such a

0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 10>President Trump decided to intervene that all works in Etenil's favor.

0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:19.400
<v Speaker 10>I think he has as solid a position as he

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<v Speaker 10>had had in recent memory in Israel.

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<v Speaker 11>As for Iran, there's been.

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<v Speaker 10>Much speculation that this situation could effectuate a regime change.

0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:31.040
<v Speaker 10>I think we should be cautious about predicting that, if

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<v Speaker 10>only because under threat of external action or under external attack,

0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:38.440
<v Speaker 10>people tend to rally to their flag, even if in

0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:41.319
<v Speaker 10>quieter times they were less likely to do so, even

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:44.000
<v Speaker 10>if in quiet times they were unhappy with their government,

0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:46.959
<v Speaker 10>with a regime that rules over them. However, it's quite

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:50.280
<v Speaker 10>possible that in the long run, with this Iranian regime

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<v Speaker 10>having seen its prestige dented, having been humiliated like this,

0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:58.480
<v Speaker 10>seen its military might which provided it with a degree

0:36:58.480 --> 0:37:02.040
<v Speaker 10>of domestic cloud as well so blunted by the combined

0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:03.840
<v Speaker 10>force of Israel Israel in the United States.

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<v Speaker 11>Right once that.

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<v Speaker 10>Dust settles, we could actually see some serious change in

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:10.040
<v Speaker 10>the internal dynamics of Iran.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Dan, what do you think the next steps are

0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:15.319
<v Speaker 3>for Israel here? I mean it feels like maybe we're

0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:19.720
<v Speaker 3>waiting to see what Iran does, but that's not Israel

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't tend to wait and see what people do.

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<v Speaker 5>They tend to act. What do you believe the next

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<v Speaker 5>days will hold for Israel.

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<v Speaker 9>Well.

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<v Speaker 10>Indeed, a couple things happened within short order of the

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<v Speaker 10>world learning of these attacks ordered by Trump on these

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<v Speaker 10>three sites in Iran, these three nuclear sites.

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<v Speaker 11>One was it Israel announced it it has.

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<v Speaker 10>Pursued its own nightly attacks, including one set of sorties

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<v Speaker 10>against one of the sites attacked by the United States,

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<v Speaker 10>It's Fahan, showing that the US must have struck some

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<v Speaker 10>nuclear targets there. Israel is coming in perhaps on a

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<v Speaker 10>mopping up operation, perhaps addressing targets that weren't addressed by

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<v Speaker 10>the United States. As far as Israel's concerned, the work continues.

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<v Speaker 10>There was also a missile in New Avs salvo Byron

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<v Speaker 10>against Israel, quite a bit of damage six am pretty

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<v Speaker 10>much the entire country going down to shelters. That would

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<v Speaker 10>seem par for the course. The big question is was

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<v Speaker 10>that all was Iran basically ticking a box in terms

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<v Speaker 10>of its retaliation keep in minded as yet to retaliate

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<v Speaker 10>to my knowledge against the United States. Perhaps it sees

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<v Speaker 10>Israel as a US proxy and that's a safer retaliation option,

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<v Speaker 10>especially if it's a one off. If indeed is a

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<v Speaker 10>one off, I think what we're going to see now

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<v Speaker 10>is very very very careful consideration with the part of

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<v Speaker 10>the Uranian leadership, whether they should do an entire review

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<v Speaker 10>of their position, whether they should capitulate on their nuclear program,

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<v Speaker 10>submit to US and Israeli by extension demands regarding uranium enrichment,

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<v Speaker 10>and in doing so preserve themselves, because it would appear

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<v Speaker 10>to me the choice now faced by the Uranian leadership

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<v Speaker 10>is between self preservation i Regime preservation, and preserving a

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<v Speaker 10>nuclear program that has been significantly debraded, possibly retarded by

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<v Speaker 10>months or even years. It's basically like guarding a JEALOPI

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<v Speaker 10>of a nuclear program, even in the knowledge that will

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<v Speaker 10>actually extend the military strikes suffered by the regime, potentially

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<v Speaker 10>toppling it in an irrevicable manner. So I think it's

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<v Speaker 10>quite a binary choice, and I think the Israelis and

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<v Speaker 10>possibly the Americans, I think Trump actually made this quite

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<v Speaker 10>clear and his statement are banking on the Iranians now

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<v Speaker 10>doing an about face diplomatically, and this really bringing about

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<v Speaker 10>dramatic change in the entire disposition, the entire direction of

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<v Speaker 10>negotiations and the future of the nuclear program i e.

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<v Speaker 10>And effective shutting down of what remains of the nuclear

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<v Speaker 10>program should Iran agree to do that, Dan, It's.

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<v Speaker 3>Been an extraordinary time in Israeli history since October seventh,

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<v Speaker 3>so much change, most of it to the military benefit

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<v Speaker 3>of Israel. Is there a view in Israel that things

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<v Speaker 3>are really potentially different now?

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<v Speaker 11>Yes, so it feels like a revolutionary moment.

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<v Speaker 10>October seventh was a cataclysm Hamas. Basically it was a

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<v Speaker 10>game changer in terms of an attack on Israel. What

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<v Speaker 10>Israel suffered from that attack, completely surprised by a ostensibly

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<v Speaker 10>fath inferior force. Hamas showed great original thinking, quite the

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<v Speaker 10>military virtuosity if they like, they really pulled off a surprise,

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<v Speaker 10>a shock attack on Israel. But it also changed the

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<v Speaker 10>rules as far as Israel's concerned. If Hamas came along

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<v Speaker 10>with a game changer, then Israel's actually going to change

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<v Speaker 10>the game. And the new game as far as Israel

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<v Speaker 10>Is concerned, is going in the offensive, destroying all potential

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<v Speaker 10>threats in all neighboring countries and also Iran, which is

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<v Speaker 10>what considered this arch foe and so far would appear

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<v Speaker 10>with all the costs involved, and the costs have been

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<v Speaker 10>very significant to Palacinians and Ghazatisraeli's, especially on the home front,

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<v Speaker 10>it would appear that the Israeli campaign is being pursued

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<v Speaker 10>to its full and may even succeed.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Williams in Jerusalem. We look forward to you're reporting

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<v Speaker 2>here in the coming hours. Dan Williams with Ethan Bryner

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<v Speaker 2>in Israel this morning