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Speaker 1: the culture in the building right now. When I say queen,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about really Queen Royalty, married to the King,
Speaker 1: came in this game on her own, did what she
Speaker 1: had to do, still surviving, still just dropped the album
Speaker 1: The King and I And if the case you didn't
Speaker 1: know who I'm talking about, we told my motherfucking faith,
Speaker 1: let me fast fast. So listen, we had the season
Speaker 1: on here, seasons running around here, and he said, like
Speaker 1: he's traumatized. He can't even smoke weed anymore, because he
Speaker 1: said big they to smoke so much weed with him?
Speaker 1: Are you anywhere there that I'm not traumatized, but I
Speaker 1: might be near with the higher tolerance like big, but
Speaker 1: I'm not quite as bad because back then, like he,
Speaker 1: it would be a room full of us and like
Speaker 1: hear anybody like you know, he had the hat as
Speaker 1: he wants to, you know, a big blunt, put hash
Speaker 1: in it. And then if you ain't smoking the hash blunt,
Speaker 1: you gotta get out. If you fall asleep, you gotta
Speaker 1: get out, like you know, you gotta get high, like
Speaker 1: you ain't getting hot, you gotta get I'm not that bad, right,
Speaker 1: So now your originally you're from Jersey? Correct? From the bricks?
Speaker 1: I got a friend big up say, on Clinton Avenue.
Speaker 1: It's very rough for that. I went to school actually
Speaker 1: with my high school, but I went to school on
Speaker 1: Clinton and Clinton Avenue and Clinton Place. So how does
Speaker 1: your girl from Jersey link up a bad boy? How?
Speaker 1: How did how did this this stuff? Was? This always
Speaker 1: been your dream was to be a singer or well
Speaker 1: a singer. Yes, I say, I've been singing since I
Speaker 1: was like two years old, you know, since I could
Speaker 1: basically talk. But my initial my initial audience was in
Speaker 1: church and The first song I actually sang when it's
Speaker 1: like when I was like three, was a song from
Speaker 1: the flint Stones. I guess you know the Flintstones. I
Speaker 1: remember in the Jackson's was like my favorite. No, it
Speaker 1: was a song, Okay, you remember the episode when Bam
Speaker 1: Bam and Pebbles performed that something that was like the
Speaker 1: Hollywood Bowl, you remember, so we were on the same
Speaker 1: mates and then they sang Atlanta Sunshine. That that was
Speaker 1: my first song I sang in church. So I mean,
Speaker 1: over the years, I knew I had a gift with singing,
Speaker 1: and then later on I just started as a hobby
Speaker 1: writing music. But I never knew I was gonna be
Speaker 1: a re courting artists. I knew I wanted to make
Speaker 1: money with my voice somehow, but the whole being a
Speaker 1: signed artist to a label and not even in nothing
Speaker 1: to do with church. You know, I sang another places, school,
Speaker 1: I sang every way I could church. A lot of
Speaker 1: people choirs over the church, and then you know why
Speaker 1: to learn that church is kind of like ill because
Speaker 1: it's either like you're either really good or you're like
Speaker 1: really bad, and like people like people like you can't
Speaker 1: you can't really say it you can't really say jerom
Speaker 1: if you need to stop jeroe yourself saying with jero,
Speaker 1: you can't really do that in church, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But so it's either you're really good really
Speaker 1: So how did how did you what made you want
Speaker 1: to say this is gonna be a professional thing? Because
Speaker 1: all of us know that, all of us successful artists
Speaker 1: know that when we start out as a as a
Speaker 1: striving artist, it's not a lot of money. So it's
Speaker 1: it's a lot of it's a lot of what is
Speaker 1: it de motivation not not motivation at first when you
Speaker 1: first started. So how did you transition to say like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with this, I'm gonna make this work.
Speaker 1: You know what, It's crazy because I mean church wasn't
Speaker 1: my only thing. Like I sang. I was the singer
Speaker 1: with my jazz man in school, I did wedding students.
Speaker 1: When I meant want to page it or two, I
Speaker 1: just wanted to sing. And just so happens. You know,
Speaker 1: a few people I knew got uh in the industry,
Speaker 1: but I still was just singing everywhere. That was. It
Speaker 1: was just about singing. Later on, when I recorded and
Speaker 1: taught myself how to arrange records and produce myself, not
Speaker 1: even knowing that would have anything to do with my
Speaker 1: career later won't pretty much. I mean, by the time
Speaker 1: I met Puck, I'm a fast forward. Red Man. One
Speaker 1: of my best friends is rosing Over. Red Man's sister.
Speaker 1: Red was my boyfriend when I was in the ninth grade.
Speaker 1: So like when I heard y'all in the business always
Speaker 1: some of my sessions and checked on me and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But right before red Kind, he was a
Speaker 1: drummer in church when we met, you know, he was
Speaker 1: still he was DJ and sself like prior to Eric,
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of going to meet meeting him in
Speaker 1: sensations and kind of discovering him in that sense. But
Speaker 1: I was just always around it. My daughter's father actually,
Speaker 1: he was a producer and he became a producer with
Speaker 1: Christopher Wims, so I at she graduated from high school
Speaker 1: william New York City. So I was around it. And
Speaker 1: I actually left my full scholarship at Fordham University, my
Speaker 1: academics because my daughter's father told me to move to
Speaker 1: California with him. And yeah, had nothing to do with
Speaker 1: me being an artist. But I got pregnant and you
Speaker 1: know whatever, it just sounded way more fun than living
Speaker 1: in Nork and get to the track. Nonetheless, by that time,
Speaker 1: I was already kind of like super dope at just
Speaker 1: a hobby recording myself. I had already been seeing everywhere.
Speaker 1: But I met this dude yourself as well. I was
Speaker 1: in the gospel group, and we made a couple of
Speaker 1: a B side right because you know, but this is
Speaker 1: when I'm like thirteen fourteen. But the dude that recorded
Speaker 1: us was the lady's nephew. Let me just tell you
Speaker 1: how God works. I ended up right off a Fordham row,
Speaker 1: right off a grand concourse. I didn't know I was
Speaker 1: gonna end up going for them university on the full scholarship.
Speaker 1: Then when I was third team, four team, just so happens,
Speaker 1: I get this full scholarship after my classes, which I was,
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta go because I got the scholarship.
Speaker 1: I would always go to the dude's house. I used
Speaker 1: to get woomans for sneaking out the window to go
Speaker 1: to this studio in the Bronx before I was of
Speaker 1: age to really be doing it. So I really knew
Speaker 1: how to record myself. Like I said, produced myself stacked
Speaker 1: my vocals because he taught me how to use that
Speaker 1: little task camp thing when you could go straight to
Speaker 1: the cassette to work with. So by the time I
Speaker 1: met Puff, I mean it was really I was just
Speaker 1: the ride as my daughter's father. I was his ride
Speaker 1: to the studio and waiting in the lounge and Puff
Speaker 1: was working on his first album and he needed somebody
Speaker 1: to see this part. And it was like she could say,
Speaker 1: you know, and I went in there murdered it like
Speaker 1: I stacked. It was like Mr Puffy, excuse me? Can
Speaker 1: I changed around and I've made I murked it. I
Speaker 1: know I did. As soon as I came out the booth,
Speaker 1: he was like, you want to sign up my new label?
Speaker 1: And I wasn't there for that at all. I know,
Speaker 1: I had on the church girl outfit or something like.
Speaker 1: I wasn't like, yeah, that wasn't like my thing. It's
Speaker 1: like if it happens that way, okay. So I had
Speaker 1: worked with I'll be sure prior to that. But he know,
Speaker 1: he bade me just to do his demos. But again,
Speaker 1: I was just there when my daughter's father he heard
Speaker 1: me singing on the tape and like, oh ship, that's you,
Speaker 1: like come up my ship up. So it was just
Speaker 1: I was in that place at that time. But wherever
Speaker 1: it was that I was gonna sing and make some money,
Speaker 1: it's kind of where I want to be, whether it
Speaker 1: was in a professional recording sense or at a wedding
Speaker 1: or a retirement party. You know what I'm saying. All Right, Okay?
Speaker 1: In the movie right Big Big walks out of the room,
Speaker 1: and I believe Puff says, I'm gonna meet my meet
Speaker 1: my artist. So you was already signed to a bad
Speaker 1: Boy prior to you even know him. Big was on
Speaker 1: that label. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Ben didn't know me either.
Speaker 1: I think when we finally met at that it was
Speaker 1: like this photo shoot because Monty Big had signed to
Speaker 1: bad Boy when Puff was still at Uptown. UM Total
Speaker 1: was signed before me as well, but and Craig mac.
Speaker 1: But when I remember um being, I mean Puff had
Speaker 1: this photo shoot. I had already worked on Usher's first album,
Speaker 1: Marries My Life album. So while I was negotiating, when
Speaker 1: I was doing backgrounds and arrangements, like I was writing
Speaker 1: stuff and laying the demo, and most of the time
Speaker 1: he would keep my backgrounds that I laid down. That
Speaker 1: was like on Usher's first album and then marries My
Speaker 1: Life albums, so that's still publishing. You get absolutely publishing
Speaker 1: and that after AFM honey with them. But yeah, during
Speaker 1: this time, I was negotiating my deal with Bad Boy Records.
Speaker 1: So by the time, you know, Pop had his this
Speaker 1: first photo shoot with his new artist. It ended up
Speaker 1: just being me, Big and Craig Mac at the photo shoot.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember. I don't think total made it right.
Speaker 1: It was just us three and that's where me and
Speaker 1: b first met. And he said he has seen me
Speaker 1: coming in and out the near fact, because back then,
Speaker 1: you know, Puff would have like the whole every home,
Speaker 1: you know, somebody working on something different that he's you know, facilitating.
Speaker 1: Big said he thought I was like a session singer,
Speaker 1: you know, because he saw me going in and out
Speaker 1: of session. We didn't know I was an artist on
Speaker 1: the labeling, like somebody that kind of just got paid
Speaker 1: to do backgrounds, which I kind of was getting paid
Speaker 1: to do that. But I wasn't there as a session thing.
Speaker 1: I was writing. I just was laying down and stuff that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But that's double checks. Hey, okay,
Speaker 1: so um so he sings from the background the vocals
Speaker 1: you're writing, And how is this that had that approach
Speaker 1: when they come to you and they say, we would
Speaker 1: like you to be an artist. Was you expecting that
Speaker 1: that was something you didn't hear me when I was
Speaker 1: at that first session with my daughter's father for Ussher
Speaker 1: and he needed someone to sing that part. As soon
Speaker 1: as I walked out the booth, he asked me that
Speaker 1: I want to sign his new label. It's just that
Speaker 1: in the time of him working out my deal, he
Speaker 1: was also having me right and work on USh You
Speaker 1: and Mary's album before I actually got to working on
Speaker 1: my first project. Yeah, so I was, you know, working
Speaker 1: on doing other things. I actually started working on my
Speaker 1: first album, and because Puff really wasn't known at that time.
Speaker 1: He was known, but he wasn't like what made you
Speaker 1: put your trust in him? Well, you know what, it's
Speaker 1: crazy because I knew nothing about the industry like that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had a few friends that you know, kind of
Speaker 1: made it or got signed and became successful. But um,
Speaker 1: it's crazy because when I tell the story, I remember
Speaker 1: when I came out and he was like, you want
Speaker 1: to sign I'm like it really And he started writing
Speaker 1: down numbers like we're about to work out a deal
Speaker 1: right then, Like I'm like, oh, and it just so happens.
Speaker 1: I have met this attorney who ended up being my
Speaker 1: first attorney. UM in the industry. I met him when
Speaker 1: I was writing with this producer from Jersey and the media.
Speaker 1: I was like, I got a lawyer, Like you better
Speaker 1: I'm not about to work out the deal right now.
Speaker 1: But nonetheless, um, you know, it was just it was cool.
Speaker 1: But it was like, on one hand, like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: mean you're serious. But on the other hand, don't even
Speaker 1: play me, like, don't think. I don't think I'm about
Speaker 1: to do that right here right now, you know, don't
Speaker 1: get me on. It was you know, it was all
Speaker 1: new to him too, but I mean, it was a
Speaker 1: great thing to be a part of it. When I
Speaker 1: talked to my lawyer, he was like, well, I mean,
Speaker 1: and ain't like I had not not so on to
Speaker 1: take what I wasn't even out searching to get this
Speaker 1: type of thing, don't I'll be sure. I kinda was,
Speaker 1: you know, dancing with the idea of getting getting me
Speaker 1: signed on his little imprint. But you know, it wasn't
Speaker 1: something that I was that's all I wanted to do.
Speaker 1: I was like whatever, if I could make some money
Speaker 1: and if I feel like it's gonna work out good,
Speaker 1: you know maybe, But it was just something concrete, and
Speaker 1: it was I heard a little buzz about him. And
Speaker 1: another side board to that story is sidebar mesa justice mother. Correct,
Speaker 1: she used to come to my church. One of her
Speaker 1: cousins was best friends with my cousin in Jersey. So
Speaker 1: Misa used to visit my right and it's so crazy,
Speaker 1: I'm like twit over Leven and they knew she was
Speaker 1: like dating this guy, pump Daddy. I think he was
Speaker 1: still in you know, Howard or whatever. I don't know
Speaker 1: how old I was, but we knew that she was
Speaker 1: dating this puff daddy guy. I didn't know who he
Speaker 1: really was, you know. Fast forward how eight years later
Speaker 1: I didn't think. I never knew I was gonna be
Speaker 1: on to this man's label. So immediately she was kind
Speaker 1: of one of my first confidence, one of the first
Speaker 1: people that kind of really embraced me because we already
Speaker 1: were familiar with each other just from her seeing me
Speaker 1: singing in my church. So when I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, she's like faith from New Jersey, Like I
Speaker 1: know her from my cousin's church. You know that's my
Speaker 1: cousin too. It so immediately like, that's my cousin. So
Speaker 1: we were always pretty close from my entry into the
Speaker 1: actual business, you know, me and me, so so that's
Speaker 1: kind of how our relationship goes back. But it was
Speaker 1: very random. I never you know, it's full circle, but
Speaker 1: you never know the plans that God has for you.
Speaker 1: You know, what was the first time that you got
Speaker 1: into the industry and you was like disappointed? When because
Speaker 1: because you know, we're all lied to what we expect
Speaker 1: and what we're supposed to and then when we finally
Speaker 1: realized it, it's like it's a it's a kick in
Speaker 1: your throat. It's like, so, when when was it? When
Speaker 1: was the first time you got disappointed? Like when you
Speaker 1: realize the industry that you're really in. Than that's a
Speaker 1: good question, but quite a hard one, you know, and
Speaker 1: go on, you know who you're talking to the sh
Speaker 1: out of a bit, like the first time. I mean,
Speaker 1: tell you my first time I think about it, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you my first time. My first time was
Speaker 1: realizing that this was a business. Like I always thought
Speaker 1: that I could just trust my friend or trust forever
Speaker 1: and when I realized that I had to actually like
Speaker 1: read the contracts and go over things and the person's
Speaker 1: word wasn't good. Like that was the first time I
Speaker 1: kicked myself in the ass, and I was like, why
Speaker 1: have my head? Okay, you know, I think, okay, you
Speaker 1: know what, Thank you because that kind of helped me
Speaker 1: in the direction of where I can't go because there's
Speaker 1: many things I can say. But I think one of
Speaker 1: my first subconscious disappointments, whether I really was able to
Speaker 1: handle it or change it or express it or not,
Speaker 1: probably seeing my percentage I got on stuff that I
Speaker 1: wrote on for other people, right, And but you know,
Speaker 1: if you're that's something I learned over the years, how
Speaker 1: to really even understand and get clear on those splits
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying beforehand and all that stuff
Speaker 1: that you got a factor in samples, So was like
Speaker 1: and it wasn't my project to begin with, so I
Speaker 1: definitely wasn't the one choosing how much. But I'm like,
Speaker 1: I wrote the whole bridge and half a hook, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, point oh, oh, like you know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying percent point zero zero six, like you know, but whatever,
Speaker 1: but yeah, something like that probably was my very initial disappointment.
Speaker 1: But then I realized, like, whoa, you didn't ask anybody
Speaker 1: what was that going to be in the first place?
Speaker 1: Or how you want drop that out? So, um, let
Speaker 1: me ask you something like, um, when you when you
Speaker 1: hear when you hear brothers battling, right, it can't it
Speaker 1: can't sit right with you because you you've seen actual
Speaker 1: battle battle like you've seen the worst of the worst.
Speaker 1: So when you see brothers like battling on on wax,
Speaker 1: what's the first thing you think of? Well, it depends
Speaker 1: on if it's something that this is lyrically interesting, interesting
Speaker 1: to me or not, because sometimes I'll be having to
Speaker 1: catch up like, well, what are you mething about? What's
Speaker 1: the song about? You know? Who said? What? Um? Man?
Speaker 1: You know my kids or see Eason you know and
Speaker 1: them might kind of how about like NAS and J
Speaker 1: when you heard the and J. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it's okay when it's when it's just in the spirit
Speaker 1: of um of competition, right. I don't really you know,
Speaker 1: I don't never judge people's creativity anyway. You ain't coming
Speaker 1: at me. I think have you ever think that someone
Speaker 1: that you ever think someone made a record? U? Coming
Speaker 1: at you, do I think, well, I mean specifically, I
Speaker 1: know my my ex husband God blessed dead, but Big did.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, in real life, he wasn't coming
Speaker 1: at me. We were just come on, come on it.
Speaker 1: So this is a fun fact that this is a
Speaker 1: you know, that whole everything, biggie, And there's so many misconceptions,
Speaker 1: but we laugh at certain things that only we kind
Speaker 1: of know. Like what do you mean saying if faith
Speaker 1: have twins, she probably had two. Yeah, I've had a
Speaker 1: couple of things. Listen. Number one, my son c J.
Speaker 1: When I first found out I was pregnant, it was twins. Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: By the time I was four most pregnant, there was
Speaker 1: like a disappearance something they called disappearing twins syndrome. So
Speaker 1: the other, uh the other, you know, I'm something I
Speaker 1: didn't develop. The other didn't developed right, Um, But Big
Speaker 1: and I never had Big never question whether he you know,
Speaker 1: I was forgot about him later on, you know, because
Speaker 1: I was so livid and I just never even you know,
Speaker 1: I just never addressed him to after CJ was born.
Speaker 1: And one I didn't even had to be He just
Speaker 1: was crying one day looking at each and I'm my
Speaker 1: friend was so mad at him, my best friend who
Speaker 1: was my manager now, and she cursed him out, like
Speaker 1: I just I'm the type Like it's like because if
Speaker 1: I go here, I'm like, that's the girl that documentary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Balyn and you said that you were big only to
Speaker 1: stay there together for like two weeks and you looked
Speaker 1: in the apartment. He was like like that you know
Speaker 1: her mom Mary Flowers, Mary Flowers. That used to be
Speaker 1: to promote you know, that was crazy because I see
Speaker 1: the documentary of uncas. Yall sat down, y'all was eating
Speaker 1: and I was talking about how this place you used
Speaker 1: to go get this food, County House Country like so much.
Speaker 1: So what was that? Was a spot in Brooklyn? Yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty four hours, don't close. The whole point of that
Speaker 1: scene was that big was mad greeting so we always
Speaker 1: like she said, I've been thinking of Tim Mills and
Speaker 1: it was pooring y'all, Like it was a big stuck
Speaker 1: up on wild Ship. There's a show in the house.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, like that girl, how does the house
Speaker 1: a little Jersey girl, like just right into Brooklyn even
Speaker 1: though it is the brick little Jersey, But how did
Speaker 1: how did it? Because when I see y'all, like, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie to you, and of course I'm the
Speaker 1: outside of looking in. But when I mean even seeing
Speaker 1: y'all back to when I see y'all, it's like it's
Speaker 1: like it just goes together, like I think be even
Speaker 1: more so than how does the Jersey girl end up
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn? Because that's their substories to that Big used
Speaker 1: to be when we did meet, And you know, I
Speaker 1: hear my way around around Brooklyn already because I used
Speaker 1: to go to as a Kywalkers. I like, he like
Speaker 1: what you're doing up in this Like I'm like, I
Speaker 1: used to go to this rehearsal at the shirts drive
Speaker 1: my homeboy to hear you know, I'm just so I'm
Speaker 1: new Jersey Drive. That's my nickname. That's what they called me.
Speaker 1: But no, we I think it's more hot. Big and
Speaker 1: I bind it. It was like our senses of humor,
Speaker 1: you know, like they used to try and they always
Speaker 1: joke on each other. And he tried to park on
Speaker 1: me and I'm quick on the come back, you know,
Speaker 1: so I could beat Bond. I'm going to front our back,
Speaker 1: Oh ship than we are? We are? We are not
Speaker 1: you go back you normal? Okay, actually I got that
Speaker 1: way to look. There's gonna dude about just start from
Speaker 1: random souls. I don't want to know where your your
Speaker 1: head was at, where your space was at when you
Speaker 1: recorded this, when you wrote it. Whatever. Honestly, I'm gonna start. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gonna see your brother last time. When I listened
Speaker 1: back to that episode, I was like, dah, they said
Speaker 1: she's got smoke listed smokes, So I'm gonna throw um.
Speaker 1: I want to know where you was at, where your
Speaker 1: head was at when you wrote um. I remember that
Speaker 1: your first girl talk into the industry. That was my
Speaker 1: first single, but I believe that may have been man
Speaker 1: I have been no, no, no, it wasn't for Mary.
Speaker 1: This may have been the first off checking song I
Speaker 1: actually recorded when I finally started working on my album.
Speaker 1: But the great thing of the story about that record,
Speaker 1: I remember when I got the hook like it was
Speaker 1: a and Pile was like this too, Like sometimes you
Speaker 1: just you ain't even want to come to the session
Speaker 1: because you just wanted to finish it. No shame, you
Speaker 1: don't even want to get this input. And a lot
Speaker 1: of time it was just like I want to finished,
Speaker 1: you know, before you told me what else to do
Speaker 1: before you say what you think about it. But I
Speaker 1: knew when I finished that hook, I called him like,
Speaker 1: come listen, and he called almost everybody that was in
Speaker 1: any studio in the city to come and listen and
Speaker 1: so but at the time, you know, I was I'm
Speaker 1: super shock. I'm so used to recording by myself, so
Speaker 1: when people staring at me and I had to kind
Speaker 1: of finish it for everybody, was like, from Andre to
Speaker 1: Michael Bivens to this, like everybody just came through because
Speaker 1: he was like, Yo, come listen to this joint my
Speaker 1: new artist. So I kind of knew it was like
Speaker 1: the ship, like everybody, this is big thinking that why
Speaker 1: we're wanting each other's sessions. A whole lot a lot
Speaker 1: of this stuff was recorded already by the time I
Speaker 1: came around. Who produced that, Chuck Thompson and that that
Speaker 1: was like an introduction to the my headspace was. I
Speaker 1: was excited. It was like a way for me to
Speaker 1: mess my church harmonies that I learned from the Clock
Speaker 1: Sisters over a hot ass beat, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it's a classic. It was then I used to
Speaker 1: make stuff off off the top of my head. Now
Speaker 1: I'll be thinking a lot harder about it. But I mean,
Speaker 1: it was just it was it just came out right.
Speaker 1: You know, it was meant to be that way. You
Speaker 1: had that something too. I don't know if you remember.
Speaker 1: I don't remember driving over the bridge in Brooklyn by
Speaker 1: myself when I first heard flex dropping blobs and I'm
Speaker 1: just crying, like thank you. A lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't understand or can't described the first time
Speaker 1: you hear yourself on the radio. That gotta be like
Speaker 1: like like a crivalent to like busting your first night.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I mean, I gotta be real with that,
Speaker 1: Like I'm such a sucker nowadays. I heard your radio
Speaker 1: the other day and they played one of my old
Speaker 1: joys and I was like, fuck that ship, and the
Speaker 1: old me just snuffed me, Like what the fun is?
Speaker 1: You're just saying, are you still well? I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's different. You're a hip hop parties, what I mean.
Speaker 1: You know, most of the time I'm hearing my classic stuff,
Speaker 1: So it's not like I expect to hear my independent
Speaker 1: records on the radio, to be quite honest, unless it
Speaker 1: might be a Santimite station. That'd be like, I like
Speaker 1: this joy, but you know, I hear my that I
Speaker 1: perform all my classic stuff and that's the ship they think.
Speaker 1: Is No, that's what girls on the crowd like. Now
Speaker 1: she's still come on the run in between hip hop.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know he got to rock
Speaker 1: the bell. It's not an old classic. Is actually pick
Speaker 1: you up. I got to the party, to the launch party.
Speaker 1: But yeah, listen to that station though. You know, but
Speaker 1: I'd like to think we kind of inspired that with
Speaker 1: Drink Chance because Drink chats. We are the people that
Speaker 1: have been in this game ten years or more, you know,
Speaker 1: the new guys, they got their own platform you could
Speaker 1: go to, you know, the hot do these sevens of
Speaker 1: the power one on fis. We want to praise people
Speaker 1: who have time in this game. And you know, usually
Speaker 1: when you have ten years or more in this game,
Speaker 1: people want to kick you out, people want to call
Speaker 1: you oh, and that's not what the has happened. We're
Speaker 1: not to happen. We are legends every other genre music.
Speaker 1: They picked them up otter ten years, were allowed us
Speaker 1: to happen in hip hop. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So she said something right now she said, because you're
Speaker 1: a hip hop artist and I feel like you're a
Speaker 1: hip hop artist. No, I didn't mean that. I was
Speaker 1: speaking specifically to him, talking about hearing songs on the
Speaker 1: radio whereas my genre of music. Yeah, there was a time,
Speaker 1: like he said, there was a time when the power
Speaker 1: stations were playing what you considered classic R and B
Speaker 1: artists we were I wasn't considered that, and even all
Speaker 1: the way up until two thousand five. You know, in
Speaker 1: the last ten years, it's been it's a huge shift.
Speaker 1: But I'm not really I'm not mad at that, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, long as I'm getting played somewhere.
Speaker 1: But my point was to like, you're more likely to
Speaker 1: be hearing some rap stuff on a power station as
Speaker 1: opposed to my brand. I yeah, I kind of slide
Speaker 1: through because I got so many records outside movements in
Speaker 1: hip hop music. So yeah, I kind of when you
Speaker 1: came out, it was just it just had that hip
Speaker 1: hop field exact it was. It was on the clue
Speaker 1: about my music. But I meant specifically him being a rapper.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what I'm meant. Um, So what is
Speaker 1: what are you listening to now? If we're going on
Speaker 1: the car right now. What what are you listening to? Well,
Speaker 1: um my, I'm so funny my iPod music, I lose Apple.
Speaker 1: I'm keeping a new way. No guated, she still do
Speaker 1: a little enjoyment. She's still that's not But I kind
Speaker 1: of listened to classic stuff. I mean I do. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of new artists that I appreciate, and and
Speaker 1: you know, there's always just some new fresh talent out there.
Speaker 1: I don't really, but I mean I know on heavy
Speaker 1: rotation it's everything from like earth Wind and Fire to
Speaker 1: your Nita Beaker to your mom's and the thought was,
Speaker 1: just Stevie, wonder your shop up. I listened to so
Speaker 1: much stuff. But then I also listened to a lot
Speaker 1: of gospel music. I listened to a lot of jazz
Speaker 1: music because I studied in saying jazz too when I
Speaker 1: was in high school. So you know, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: a little all across the board. My kids tend to
Speaker 1: turn me onto um the artists that are kind of
Speaker 1: like of the Mallenneial generation. If I don't already know
Speaker 1: who they to see, I don't know what that heard
Speaker 1: that man, That's how that's how everything sounds tonight. I
Speaker 1: mean it's all though, that's it at all. It is
Speaker 1: a few dot I don't A few are like would
Speaker 1: you would you? Would you listen to him up? I
Speaker 1: be listening that okay. TJ put me on a chance
Speaker 1: to wrapp ups nothing. I started like a chance to
Speaker 1: wrap up. Somebody knew how Sun and didn't he just
Speaker 1: past And Danny loves her son too. Um, it's not
Speaker 1: his son, that's just soundings. Yeah, don't glove his Sun.
Speaker 1: Get the phone lead the weapon. That's what's leading the weapon,
Speaker 1: the weapon that is his son. I like him though
Speaker 1: he liked him too. He's like him A good to
Speaker 1: that record, goddamnit, super Dub. I listened to everything, but
Speaker 1: of course I like you know, I like all the classics. Ship.
Speaker 1: We didn't access to it now you don't have access
Speaker 1: to Ship before. Now we could. We're on our tunes.
Speaker 1: We're gonna listening, you know what I'm saying. Well as
Speaker 1: you can plug us up. We were there. So you
Speaker 1: don't like to take advantage of listening to the classic
Speaker 1: shain't nothing like listening to the infamous Small first album
Speaker 1: the first Ship. We'll change. First off, I'm saying, I
Speaker 1: like to listen to classic Ship. That's a part of
Speaker 1: my workout, Like I got my little my workout mixed
Speaker 1: first of all includes all you just said, quiet storm
Speaker 1: shook mines, Um, don't don't super dug do before. She's
Speaker 1: one of the homies mothers. That's we've been all night long.
Speaker 1: How did you come up with that one? Well? I
Speaker 1: was that song was inspired by church, So I was
Speaker 1: kind of trying to think of a well, no, like
Speaker 1: I was referring to like a church record in terms
Speaker 1: of the tempo and the cadence. How would I approach
Speaker 1: So it's a gospel record that kind of something like dan,
Speaker 1: you know, dance when I think of what he's done,
Speaker 1: I could dance all night. So it kind of was
Speaker 1: inspired by that. We just kind of played around with
Speaker 1: the melodies and lyrics. Yeah. I always kind of like, dang,
Speaker 1: you know, this beat might remind me of this. What
Speaker 1: song has the same tempo that has a slick little
Speaker 1: cadence to it that I could kind of sen my
Speaker 1: bite off of and make it my own. So so
Speaker 1: the church do Um, sometimes I refer to rap, I
Speaker 1: mean you will, I'll be writing sometimes I'll be like,
Speaker 1: you know, when he approached like you know that in
Speaker 1: my time, and you know gave me some balls. Know
Speaker 1: you from somewhere? I keep looking at you. What do
Speaker 1: I know you from drink Champs? You know we got
Speaker 1: drop the mixtape. No, we've done we met past. That's
Speaker 1: what I got, right, Okay, Now you got the ultimate one,
Speaker 1: oh makeup song in the world, like whenever anybody is
Speaker 1: bad and anybody and she's always come at So I
Speaker 1: want to hear her version though I can't think, you
Speaker 1: know what horrible, but you know that's like the ultimate,
Speaker 1: like like like when when something goes wrong in relationship,
Speaker 1: that record has to play when you're making up? Do
Speaker 1: you know that that wall? Ironically enough, I was hoping
Speaker 1: when I wrote it it was in the spirit of
Speaker 1: okay because um, you know, Dick was already signed. But
Speaker 1: by the time we got married, and you know, I
Speaker 1: got him to finally move out of his mom's house
Speaker 1: and we moved in together, he went on the road immediately,
Speaker 1: so we really didn't get a whole lot of time
Speaker 1: to really, you know, spend together and making our home.
Speaker 1: You know, I was kind of meeting up with him
Speaker 1: on the road and still trying to get the house
Speaker 1: set up. Still trying to work on my record. So
Speaker 1: it was more from the perspective of this is something
Speaker 1: that I wish he would be saying to me. That
Speaker 1: was why that was really every I was like, I
Speaker 1: wish he would be saying this to me, you know someone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we didn't see the dreams. I definitely yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: I've told this story before. Listen to no. I mean
Speaker 1: that was really that. It was more like this is
Speaker 1: what I want him to be saying. He was going
Speaker 1: all the time, So it was like, damn, I'm you know,
Speaker 1: trying my bad again. And this next one, this next
Speaker 1: one is pretty much self explanatory. I'll be missing you.
Speaker 1: But I got a chance to work with one twelve
Speaker 1: and puff on that. Like, um, how did that record
Speaker 1: come about? Obviously we know from on top of the minds,
Speaker 1: but um how how how was this concept even like
Speaker 1: you know, brought up well after Big Past, I didn't
Speaker 1: really want to do anything. I had probably started recording
Speaker 1: my you know, I may have recorded one song on
Speaker 1: my second album, um, but I kind of shut down.
Speaker 1: I didn't really wanted to record. I didn't I refuse
Speaker 1: to record at Daddy's house. When I finally did start
Speaker 1: back with Court and I was just like every like
Speaker 1: everything you know. Um. But when puff up oas me
Speaker 1: what the idea to do this tribute? You know, he
Speaker 1: was like, I wanted to be the biggest tribute like
Speaker 1: I'd ever done. And none of this came in my
Speaker 1: mind about money and nothing. It was more about like
Speaker 1: honoring big and he what he did say to make
Speaker 1: me want to, you know, go on the studio was
Speaker 1: I want, um the proceeds to go to the kids
Speaker 1: to see j Antiana. So that's really what made me
Speaker 1: do the record. Um, we didn't have this song at first.
Speaker 1: The first time we went into record. What was meant
Speaker 1: to be that tribute? You know that song? I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's it might be how I'm elving in them? But
Speaker 1: oh uh oh miss you, miss you. That was like
Speaker 1: the loop they had and that ship was so sad
Speaker 1: like it was just I'm like, we just quiet like
Speaker 1: for three hours. Nobody came up with nothing, and then
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't do like we I don't
Speaker 1: think any of us like felt like we could do anything.
Speaker 1: So the next day, um, maybe a day or too later,
Speaker 1: when we came back to the studio, they had that
Speaker 1: loop for the with the police thing, and it just
Speaker 1: it just felt different, you know it was. It's like
Speaker 1: in it you can hear where you can go lyrically
Speaker 1: or melodically and express your pain, but it still felt
Speaker 1: like a rejoy, like we can celebrate what he is
Speaker 1: and what he is and wants to us, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm like. So that's what it ended up being, Like,
Speaker 1: let's make it feel like that. I don't want it
Speaker 1: to feel so sad. I don't even know if I
Speaker 1: could sing a couple of blonds on this other track,
Speaker 1: like I was just crying like you know. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it just felt a lot more celebratory when we came
Speaker 1: in with the other track. Okay, so I'm actually two
Speaker 1: more and then we're gonna go into the general joint
Speaker 1: love like this. Where was you a love like this?
Speaker 1: Actually I was. I had just falling in love with
Speaker 1: my ex, my ex my second husband tied, my ex
Speaker 1: husband tied, and this was post I was still not
Speaker 1: wanting to work at Daddy's house. But you know, I
Speaker 1: was into my second album and I had fallen in love.
Speaker 1: So that's really what that song was about. And definitely
Speaker 1: not expectedly, you know, I didn't expect that to be
Speaker 1: like so soon after going through something. But you know,
Speaker 1: I fell in love with him, and that's hard. I
Speaker 1: got a hard study, always took a classes like I
Speaker 1: never knew that with you that I like everybody. You know,
Speaker 1: people in certain countries think me if Thatt Man Scoop
Speaker 1: is a group I do. Oh, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I never places. I've never been like, who are they?
Speaker 1: They're great? You still enjoyed the game? I got one
Speaker 1: more song question, but I want to ask you a
Speaker 1: questions still, I could assist that you really still enjoyed
Speaker 1: the game. Yes, you know what I um because I
Speaker 1: know how to um sustain, you know, and it's not
Speaker 1: so much. I knew how to do it while it
Speaker 1: was being done, but I realized that a god is
Speaker 1: gonna always sustain me. I'm here for a reason. You know,
Speaker 1: I couldn't whatever it is, however, many units like I've
Speaker 1: never measured my success on those type of things. You
Speaker 1: feel me because this is all I wouldn't saying flu
Speaker 1: but this was not my plan. I'm like, I know
Speaker 1: I can sing, I know I want to make money
Speaker 1: doing it, you know, but I also knew you gotta brain,
Speaker 1: so you gotta go to college. You gotta full academic scholarship,
Speaker 1: you know, and should happened. But I'm just like, I
Speaker 1: gotta figure it out. I'm a hustle. I have my daughter.
Speaker 1: When I was like scholarship, I was in a resource
Speaker 1: froom girl, the resource like that's like, yeah, regular school,
Speaker 1: that's a fact. So so. But because most people, most people, Um,
Speaker 1: I get a great example. Uh, when Cameron and Jim
Speaker 1: Jones was beefing, right, Cam had went, I believe Angie
Speaker 1: Martinez and he said, I don't know why Jim is mad, because,
Speaker 1: um he's playing with house money. And to me, I thought,
Speaker 1: I sat back, I said, we're all playing with house money.
Speaker 1: So you know what I'm saying, because the thing about
Speaker 1: it is we're not supposed to be where we're at
Speaker 1: the level of success, even if it's a dis amount
Speaker 1: of success. Even if it's dis amount of success, the
Speaker 1: odds of us actually making it makes us all have
Speaker 1: house money. You know What's what I'm saying. So I
Speaker 1: always look at it. My Baudy should tell me, say,
Speaker 1: look at the person for the positivity in the first
Speaker 1: before you look for anything else. So I just always
Speaker 1: look at it. I just always look at it like
Speaker 1: you know the fact that we survived and we're doing
Speaker 1: things that we love, like we're all. We're all, We're all.
Speaker 1: I mean, back to your point, I definitely I don't
Speaker 1: remember your word and burden, but I definitely enjoy the game,
Speaker 1: so to speak. But I look at it like it's
Speaker 1: just a facet of my life. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't look at it's not you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like it's so much I don't take home with me.
Speaker 1: But it's like, damn, I gotta kind of really sometimes
Speaker 1: taking the perspective, you are someone who is popular to
Speaker 1: some people, you have touch some people with your music.
Speaker 1: So but I don't walk out the house thinking that
Speaker 1: just with that, like you know what I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't even expect that i'd be really genuinely appreciate it
Speaker 1: with somebody be like I love me, like really, oh
Speaker 1: my god, thing like like a I don't you don't.
Speaker 1: I meant, come on, what if you don't know about me? So,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, it's stupid. Everybody has that. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm appreciative for the blessings that I've gotten from it,
Speaker 1: but I know that I'm here for reasons other than
Speaker 1: my musical gift. You know what I'm saying. I've learned
Speaker 1: a lot and learned how to maneuver and how to
Speaker 1: kind of just be chill. You know, they always be
Speaker 1: telling me like, y'all, you've really taught me a lot
Speaker 1: about that because you just be like you could be there,
Speaker 1: you'd be like, no, it's not even worth it. You
Speaker 1: should do this. You know. It's more chest not checkers.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You gotta appreciate it. It
Speaker 1: could be worse, you know what I'm saying. It's when
Speaker 1: you aim to be. But we is something that we
Speaker 1: never thought we could do. I never thought i'd be
Speaker 1: a wrapper, my nigga. So I'll get an about blue
Speaker 1: or not. I appreciate with where I went and where
Speaker 1: I'm at now, if I'm still relevant, somebody still welcome
Speaker 1: to me here with my gona with you, I'll listen
Speaker 1: to your ship. I'm cool with that. The end of
Speaker 1: the day, we really be happy. And that's crazy of
Speaker 1: the mystic with with you know what you guys have
Speaker 1: done with the hand that you were done with, with
Speaker 1: what happened with Big and stuff. You guys but I
Speaker 1: don't want to. I don't want to do that just yet,
Speaker 1: my bad e. But I want to get into this record, um,
Speaker 1: because this is another thing. And when I think of this,
Speaker 1: I think of my wife immediately because I love you.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know about with my name, But listen
Speaker 1: what happened? What I'm frame? Was you back? What was
Speaker 1: you trying to? Obviously it was emotional, but um, you know,
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Speaker 1: good story about that song. That song was actually written
Speaker 1: for j Loo. I didn't write I love it. I
Speaker 1: think I arranged it and kind of, you know, did
Speaker 1: my little harmony stuff that I But it was written
Speaker 1: for j Lo. You no, it was written already. This
Speaker 1: was on my third, my last album on bad Boy, Faithfully,
Speaker 1: and you know, it was one of the songs that
Speaker 1: um you know, puff kind of gave me that was
Speaker 1: mostly written. I may and wrote a section on it,
Speaker 1: but it was for the most part already written and
Speaker 1: it was for Jlo. I don't know what happened. I
Speaker 1: don't know if this was like after they wasn't together.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I had the demo and to
Speaker 1: be just they broke up, he said, let me get
Speaker 1: my record back. No, I don't know. Her voice wasn't
Speaker 1: on it. I just know that it was a rich
Speaker 1: because when I heard the Denmark could totally hear it.
Speaker 1: I can hear it as a J Low record, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's it's a pretty um even
Speaker 1: though it's one of my more popular records. And like
Speaker 1: a lot of the U thirty five and under dudes
Speaker 1: that be trying to haul at me, I'm like, how
Speaker 1: did hell you know about me? Like that? I love
Speaker 1: your video, like after my divorce, like mad young dudes
Speaker 1: was trying to hoel But that was so I just
Speaker 1: kind of I knew it was a hit record. It
Speaker 1: just was like I had to definitely lay back me
Speaker 1: being so used to sing. It's so soulful. It's a
Speaker 1: real simple melody, so to be quite honest, it was
Speaker 1: one of the songs that took a little longer for
Speaker 1: me to or because I had to kind of lay
Speaker 1: back and sing it real pretty, just simple and pretty.
Speaker 1: And I think I took like three fourth sessions just
Speaker 1: to like, you know, lay back like I got. I
Speaker 1: know I'm doing too many. It feels too soul for
Speaker 1: I needed this sound just real pretty, so but people
Speaker 1: appreciate the record now. I heard you kind of allude
Speaker 1: to this earlier. Um What has there ever been a
Speaker 1: time where, like you know, um A and rs the
Speaker 1: executives overbearing, so you had to actually, like you said,
Speaker 1: I know, you said you should be called by yourself
Speaker 1: a lot then you had to switch over. It was
Speaker 1: was there a time you ever had to switch back
Speaker 1: over to what you've been like? Yo, let me just
Speaker 1: keep a skeleton bunch because you know, I'm just because
Speaker 1: I can't really, to be quite honest, other than on
Speaker 1: other people's records where I've been so much produced, you know,
Speaker 1: very few far between Baby Phase when he did that
Speaker 1: single for me, But typically I kind of produced my
Speaker 1: own vocals, so I'm really kind of never had that problem.
Speaker 1: It was more talking about puff, but I think that
Speaker 1: was just the excitement in the beginning. He just wanted
Speaker 1: to be you know, always, And it was like, okay,
Speaker 1: we know you got a good opinion, but I don't
Speaker 1: think it's good about this. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: you're not a stacker, you're not a harmonizer. Let me
Speaker 1: finish my harmonies before you tell me to change something,
Speaker 1: you know. So it was like I have to new sessions.
Speaker 1: I realized, don't even callt him to come listening to
Speaker 1: you know. Okay, that's something because something just that stacker
Speaker 1: and harmonies. Now, stacker is like doubling up. That's called sacker.
Speaker 1: You know, it's called stacking stacking, but in singing sense,
Speaker 1: it's stacking in a unison with the same note harmonies
Speaker 1: when you add a different note creates a fuller sound. Right,
Speaker 1: I got a good question for you. Ever wrote something
Speaker 1: for somebody went to the studio, was like, well again,
Speaker 1: to be honest, when I had that issue. Lucky for me,
Speaker 1: it was posted the error of auto tuning stuff, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like I mean and said, can
Speaker 1: you do that one again? Because it's not quite often
Speaker 1: I've worked on other people's stuff, Like in the beginning
Speaker 1: of my career. That was a little more part of
Speaker 1: my hustle before I had a deal. But you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes I don't just had the time to just sit
Speaker 1: around write songs. I'm usually working on someone, I'm on
Speaker 1: a project. I don't really just have songs to work
Speaker 1: on for other people unless they really like, I want
Speaker 1: you to work on my ship like that, And it
Speaker 1: got to be you know, something that's worked my dying
Speaker 1: wid Jusulia dying exactly because we do a tyger bone
Speaker 1: should oh man, we just let's bring back. But I mean,
Speaker 1: she is a late and it's not often I'm actually
Speaker 1: a boy. Let me tell you that was that was
Speaker 1: actually sexist with me. I'm gonna take that back because
Speaker 1: tiger bone, that's right when I can tell the girl, man,
Speaker 1: you get something with it later straight about that shot,
Speaker 1: you're gonna go sit over. No, no, no, you gotta
Speaker 1: drink because you know, I think I remember something. You
Speaker 1: be honest with me seeing y'all together, and I don't
Speaker 1: mean to get emotional, but it's like I know, big
Speaker 1: Coach signs that like you know, like like like it's
Speaker 1: a certain feeling, like you know when when you're homeboy
Speaker 1: that you trust hangs out with the lady that you
Speaker 1: love and like holding a dad like a certain fell
Speaker 1: and like that. A man just likes that. It's just
Speaker 1: like it's just like your writing them down to Yeah,
Speaker 1: you's the reason why we connected. And I think you
Speaker 1: know it's definitely certainly a supernatural thing. And we know
Speaker 1: he's because I don't even it. It's only because of
Speaker 1: the spirit catched on when you drove up. I didn't
Speaker 1: even know that I was. That was favorite. I know.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to tell you, come on, I'm looking like
Speaker 1: you walk with me. I'm like, comes like, show, don't
Speaker 1: take the shot. You haven't I haven't dropped your stuf in.
Speaker 1: She she whips the brooke these buckets all the time,
Speaker 1: like yo, can I borrow your minds to and people
Speaker 1: like I got I was like, I don't care. I
Speaker 1: just got a lot. I mean where the shower hasn't
Speaker 1: take you didn't the poor big shot. But this is
Speaker 1: like this is the fat, the fat, yea the tiger.
Speaker 1: Last time I had tys that Frances, Oh, she's a veteran.
Speaker 1: She to drink the whole. I'm not gonna lie. I
Speaker 1: wasn't ready for that. That was actually tasty man that
Speaker 1: was not spicy. There's a little spike that's like, you're
Speaker 1: no no right now. So one of the one of
Speaker 1: the one of the most uh it is souls I
Speaker 1: ever met, tag on it. One of the most purous
Speaker 1: souls I haven't met in hip hop. What's Big? I
Speaker 1: always seen them some. Speaking of Branson, I went to
Speaker 1: Branston one time. Only two people I've ever seen behind
Speaker 1: the counter of Branson is red Man and Big. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: red Man and to introduced me to Branson, who introduced
Speaker 1: Big to Branson. Oh this is Branson has to be making.
Speaker 1: I didn't know about Branston because I was boring them
Speaker 1: big Jaws and Big, and I was like, were you
Speaker 1: getting them jows? I was like red Man's uptown Branston
Speaker 1: at the candy store store exactly lottipops, those tall man Eddie,
Speaker 1: Eddie the candy man, and the other the young one.
Speaker 1: Um I think it was Jay No No, I forgot
Speaker 1: his name, but I know Eddie. We used to bump
Speaker 1: hands before in the morning out there, but before before
Speaker 1: Eddie passed. That's when I knew that they had like
Speaker 1: some type of payola ship because one of my homies
Speaker 1: had died from Queen's and we went up to to
Speaker 1: get some. But we had all the champagne and we
Speaker 1: brought all We brought all the champagne right in front
Speaker 1: of Branston. The police just drove by. I didn't say nothing.
Speaker 1: We smoked all the week that we had. You gotta
Speaker 1: think about it. That spot was right around the corner
Speaker 1: dog for like, oh yeah, but the police sation right
Speaker 1: around the police right there, try Burbridge right there, the
Speaker 1: Bronx to the left, the fish stole right here to
Speaker 1: the right. Sometimes you do out there, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying about that? Sometimes too in the morning and
Speaker 1: people out there about me. Did you sit there for hours? Talk?
Speaker 1: You'd be out there for two hours and go on
Speaker 1: side ship with time and you'll sit with the more
Speaker 1: day because they give your free job for two hours
Speaker 1: here get your half hours to go home with. So
Speaker 1: your relationship with what what what little Kim? I see
Speaker 1: recently now it's it's prepared Back then, how was it? Well, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's fair to say that there
Speaker 1: was ever a full relationship ever built. But in the beginning, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I even see pictures. I'm like, oh, damn,
Speaker 1: I remember that, Like, you know, I definitely once I've
Speaker 1: realized this is Big Artists who I've been hearing about,
Speaker 1: that's a part of the crew, because I met the
Speaker 1: guys first. I think the first time I saw Kim
Speaker 1: was at the Big Popa video shoot and I was like,
Speaker 1: who was that girl? And he was like, oh, this
Speaker 1: little Kim. I had heard about it before, but um,
Speaker 1: I think by you know, initially, I was kind of
Speaker 1: trying to be cool with it. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: we worked pretty cool. I see pictures where you know,
Speaker 1: I had on her glasses, she had online. You know.
Speaker 1: I was kind of being cool with it because I
Speaker 1: knew that was BIGS Artists, but I didn't know anything
Speaker 1: about their um involvement. You know, I didn't know there
Speaker 1: was in any kind of relationship. But I was new,
Speaker 1: you know, I was new Today's circle, So I mean,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have known their history. And of course he
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to tell me that ship. But when I
Speaker 1: found out, of course, it was like damn. You know,
Speaker 1: like damn, what the funk all this time? Right? You know,
Speaker 1: but I can't say that, oh she you know with
Speaker 1: some oh she's your friend and then she you know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like that or you know, we didn't really
Speaker 1: build a relationship but have a history outside of me
Speaker 1: meeting her through knowing that she's his artist and me
Speaker 1: already kind of being cool with the guys for a
Speaker 1: few months and you know, like okay, let me. You know,
Speaker 1: he kind of said in the beginnings wanted me to
Speaker 1: kind of be around her, but I think that was
Speaker 1: just that dumb young ship because he realized why do that?
Speaker 1: But now I mean, I think, I mean, just to
Speaker 1: be clear, once a big passed away any ill feelings
Speaker 1: to her. You know, we're not the window for me her,
Speaker 1: ain't anybody else. You know, it wasn't really anything to
Speaker 1: feel a way about. But we didn't necessarily see each
Speaker 1: other and get to conversate. There may have been a
Speaker 1: time or two that I ran into her and kind
Speaker 1: of tried to say and she, you know, may not
Speaker 1: have been really ready to receive this, so it didn't
Speaker 1: go over so well. But story you on tour, Big
Speaker 1: on tour, you're coming through kicking the door, whipping some
Speaker 1: chicken ass something that just okay, yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: went to Virginia. Yeah, that's happening. You're talking about the
Speaker 1: scene in the movie. You shut up, you can't. That's
Speaker 1: why I ate up to this day. You know how
Speaker 1: you know, how did you have to drop on big
Speaker 1: How did you even okay? This is that? That's that
Speaker 1: dumb young ship. I'm at home in New York and
Speaker 1: he always well you know, they had a show, and
Speaker 1: he will always hit me, you know when he gets
Speaker 1: to wherever they're going, you know just how to say,
Speaker 1: what's up. I'm just working on my Um, I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I'm not like a clocking you and all that, but
Speaker 1: he just he would always kind of check and I
Speaker 1: got here boom this particular time, just out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: It's like he was like, yeah, so, um, if you
Speaker 1: call on my room, I'm letting l use my room tonight.
Speaker 1: So and like, why are you telling me that I
Speaker 1: haven't called yet? You haven't not answered yet. You feel
Speaker 1: mean like you're telling too much. So I'm like, what
Speaker 1: do you mean? And I know, going, well, that's a
Speaker 1: lot like you were ain't about to give up your
Speaker 1: room unless somebody be in there. So just immediately I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, Cagney and lazy. I was like, call me home.
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, because you come watch China. Already
Speaker 1: had my whole plan together and I made my flight.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's just a thirty minute flight. I
Speaker 1: already knew the room number because he told me. But
Speaker 1: he's like, don't call my room because such and such
Speaker 1: gonna be using it. And you know you have a session.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? It was so close, you know what.
Speaker 1: I already got the cab. My home girl came to
Speaker 1: keep my daughter. She's like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: What I said, I'll be back on going to Virginia.
Speaker 1: She didn't realized I was really coming right back. I
Speaker 1: got on the flight. It might have been a seven
Speaker 1: dam flight, landed about eight thirty, got to the hotel
Speaker 1: about nine nine thirty. Bump bum, you know. But when
Speaker 1: I got to the hotel, why and I see how
Speaker 1: the role man that he just happened to be he
Speaker 1: ain't seen me though he checking out. I see him.
Speaker 1: I'm do do you know how the cartho? I just
Speaker 1: dipped around to the elevators, get up, stins locked on
Speaker 1: the door, went straight to the door and they said
Speaker 1: who is And I said, like, how's keeping? And the
Speaker 1: girl open the door a little bit and I just
Speaker 1: kicked it in and just started going for broke and
Speaker 1: your favor at the record out. You know, I had
Speaker 1: to go seeing I could have Thank god it was
Speaker 1: one year ninety and fun you know Instagram, Instagra? Who
Speaker 1: are you to day? The old town? Ye know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying that right when doing with tmzad, I wanted it.
Speaker 1: He came into. I came in the room. He that
Speaker 1: I was out T's page. Just like father, I stick
Speaker 1: to the story. He still wasn't that guy, wasn't it
Speaker 1: under right? She thinks like this will enjoy like with
Speaker 1: the cover over like he like yo, faces came in
Speaker 1: head be not in the morning, sitting there. I'm sure
Speaker 1: I don't like that. Who's she? I don't know, so
Speaker 1: you tell me she just stay she carried da I
Speaker 1: don't the next pie after look, sure he was over
Speaker 1: there cough like yo. I said, you gotta be the
Speaker 1: ruly shove. And it wasn't even about it was more
Speaker 1: so like, don't sucking something my telsen. It wasn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't even want to putting hands on nobody. That was
Speaker 1: my intention at the moment. But it was like, son,
Speaker 1: don't tell me no dumb ship like that, like I
Speaker 1: can't let you just think that I'm stupid and I'm
Speaker 1: really believing that, And she wanted to answer the door.
Speaker 1: She might not have got sucked up stick here like
Speaker 1: get that. Yeah, we wanted. I felt bad for after
Speaker 1: that because I was like, look, I don't even funk.
Speaker 1: I was like, well you should have stupid, you should
Speaker 1: he just got Really, I'm like, you shut up. That
Speaker 1: was actually real situation about it. So actually this is
Speaker 1: the last time he was here with Jada kiss Well,
Speaker 1: I don't have to ask you this, Um, did you
Speaker 1: watch The Unsolved? You know what. I haven't, but I've
Speaker 1: been hearing a lot about it and I want to
Speaker 1: catch up on it because, um, you know, and when
Speaker 1: people ask me about it, it's like using a pan.
Speaker 1: So I can't have one that since I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: But certain things that I know when people as a viewer,
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily always no, Okay, this is the story
Speaker 1: of the detective. It doesn't mean it's not a true story,
Speaker 1: but one side. But it's also something that has moved
Speaker 1: other things that may help us in a way. So
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, even though I haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: there you know, things that kind of shift in people saying, oh,
Speaker 1: we hurt that too, Like we know it is some
Speaker 1: of that too, but that doesn't bring us to a
Speaker 1: conclusion to make them arrest somebody. And there's a Johnny
Speaker 1: Depp movie coming out to right right actually played herself
Speaker 1: and that she did a little don't even know that
Speaker 1: when she want when we were out there, Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: she did a little quick seeing um instead of you know,
Speaker 1: they had to just play herself kind of meeting with
Speaker 1: the guy. Oh I didn't see that. I didn't see
Speaker 1: that because I didn't I don't want to watch that
Speaker 1: first one that first. I didn't want to. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just actually just watched it like like a month ago.
Speaker 1: I just went through and like watching like the first one.
Speaker 1: It's actually, Um, it's because you know, in the hood,
Speaker 1: we always say if we know, the police know, but
Speaker 1: we never we never had no proof of that until that,
Speaker 1: Like like everything that we kind of like skeptical or speculating,
Speaker 1: it was the same thing that they did. So I
Speaker 1: kind of appreciated that from that. Obviously, I don't have
Speaker 1: you know, as much interested invested into this as as
Speaker 1: you got. What makes sense makes sense, make sense? So
Speaker 1: I'm sitting back and I'm like a lot of this
Speaker 1: that some of this was just just overwhelming, and it's
Speaker 1: just over like I don't believe that, you know, puff
Speaker 1: had anything to do with the other side, Like I can't.
Speaker 1: I just can't. I just can't. But other things that
Speaker 1: was involved in that I didn't believe, Like I didn't believe,
Speaker 1: like the police knew. I believe the police, I would
Speaker 1: be honest with you. I believe the police guys the
Speaker 1: East Coast, West Coast Big War more than we actually. No,
Speaker 1: the media definitely did well. They made up something that
Speaker 1: didn't really exist. Yeah, it really wasn't that they made
Speaker 1: They actually made it that man, the sort of thing
Speaker 1: was happening at the time. When you see all this
Speaker 1: stuff come around now, it makes you think of back
Speaker 1: about like certain things that came across Like when we
Speaker 1: was in the l A. The FEDS was actually following us,
Speaker 1: Like what the funk? You know, what the fun was
Speaker 1: y'all that day? You know what I mean at the
Speaker 1: Soul training boards, but what happened this day? So you
Speaker 1: always be thinking of all these like different things, but
Speaker 1: you don't know much. So a lot of times you
Speaker 1: hear about certain things, right, we don't that years later
Speaker 1: were like that, why right? People relationship change. It's not
Speaker 1: surprising what you're saying, because remember, years later we find
Speaker 1: him out about all the stuff they were doing the
Speaker 1: FEDS with the Black Panthers, and that's how they were
Speaker 1: beefs between them, and then they had a whole program
Speaker 1: that was like undercover doing stuff. So that's exactly what
Speaker 1: they should have been doing in hip hop and probably,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of obvious they were. Well here's
Speaker 1: the thing. I feel like they were able to um,
Speaker 1: you know, to definitely heighten the fuel the fire more,
Speaker 1: but and not to mention some involvement in the sense
Speaker 1: of whatever their work they were doing with the Death
Speaker 1: Road organization. And that's not too that's not me trying
Speaker 1: to sum it up and pin it on that, but
Speaker 1: I know there was there's clearly been. There's evidence and
Speaker 1: and it's documented that there was involvement you know, with
Speaker 1: the police and death row records or whatever, so um,
Speaker 1: whatever that is. But I think that just they were
Speaker 1: able to certainly um with the media as well, to
Speaker 1: heighten that ship and add to it them it may
Speaker 1: have helped them to cover up some other ship because
Speaker 1: it's just people, you know how that Gold Street niggas gangsters.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Yo, ship is you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Don't get me wrong. We've heard many
Speaker 1: times and it wasn't in court, and it wasn't from
Speaker 1: the people that should be making an arrest. Who the
Speaker 1: person is that actually pulled the childer and killed Big
Speaker 1: and not so much that that mean that's true, but
Speaker 1: I think we kind of got an idea that it's believable.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, we it's not
Speaker 1: up to us too. We can't we can't. We can't uh,
Speaker 1: we can't legally implicate anyone, and we can't arrest anybody.
Speaker 1: So it's like until that, you know, don't matter. It
Speaker 1: don't matter what we think of what our conclusion based
Speaker 1: on all these things is if the l a p
Speaker 1: d doesn't choose to hold somebody at fall for his
Speaker 1: murder us Again, that's why I suggest you watch it, because,
Speaker 1: um it's kind of their point of view, and it's
Speaker 1: like we've never seen that part, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Um me again, Um, obviously I met Big, I never
Speaker 1: got to met meet Tupac at all. I actually had
Speaker 1: a record called l A l A Defending Big and
Speaker 1: um So. But I never got to meet Tupac. I
Speaker 1: never really got and and again all I heard was
Speaker 1: rumor was all I heard was things. I remember me
Speaker 1: landing in l A after it happened, and you know,
Speaker 1: def jam or Tommy Boy, forget what labor I was
Speaker 1: on um As soon as I landed, they had police
Speaker 1: with me, and I was just like what it was like? Yo?
Speaker 1: It was like, Yo, listen, we're not taking no chances.
Speaker 1: You're Jervon's risking all this because y'all put it out there.
Speaker 1: You know, y'all y'all were doing something he wasn't doing.
Speaker 1: Y'all was making the response when we wasn't. That's how
Speaker 1: I think it was because that's what the media made it.
Speaker 1: I mean, because y'all wasn't speaking to us, and he
Speaker 1: was telling y'all could do that. It was just because
Speaker 1: they're doing this, because that's what they was making it.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. You're doing photos shoot for
Speaker 1: a magazine and they put it out and they say
Speaker 1: East coast versus West coast on the vibe. You know,
Speaker 1: it was just they was all feeding into it, making
Speaker 1: it something it wasn't, and Nick was just really just
Speaker 1: feeding off it, you know what I'm Sayings have apologized
Speaker 1: since then because they realized that ship started a lot
Speaker 1: of you know what I mean, that's just started a
Speaker 1: lot of ships. Ship was really real, like you really
Speaker 1: couldn't go to certain places and an't like how this great.
Speaker 1: Let me just tell you something. Um wow, that's nothing
Speaker 1: the other day, but like last year or whatever. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm at I'm at my hotel and Tupox movie came out.
Speaker 1: So in my hotel room package was tickets to the
Speaker 1: Tupac ship. So I'm like, who ship? So I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, cool, I had tickets already. So I walked
Speaker 1: in there and it was the first time like I
Speaker 1: actually was the only East coast, you know, West coast part.
Speaker 1: You know how I hung out with Drake Father, my nigger.
Speaker 1: There was something I said, ainything I don't know you
Speaker 1: would from Mississippi. How you doing it exists? Exists? But
Speaker 1: I stood there like it was the first time, like
Speaker 1: I got I got to live in their world. And
Speaker 1: they really we were really just confused. Motherfucker's because the
Speaker 1: thing about like you to think about even you know,
Speaker 1: you know, New York, we were separated. We established that
Speaker 1: on like we're separated if right, meaning like you we'll
Speaker 1: say you're from Brick City, you'll say you from Brooklyn
Speaker 1: or whatever. But I didn't realize that everywhere else kind
Speaker 1: of does the same thing too, Like like I was
Speaker 1: sitting there and there was like game dude, seeing each
Speaker 1: other's what's talking? But then they then they just walked away,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, pretty much, I don't know what
Speaker 1: I said. I was like, yo, and mind I'm because
Speaker 1: I'm the East Coast through they don't really they don't,
Speaker 1: they don't really, they don't really see me. I don't
Speaker 1: want me. The more work I have one dude. That's
Speaker 1: where the guards me and one dude. So um, And
Speaker 1: that was the first time I got to realize, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I want you know what we were both.
Speaker 1: We were both from manipulated, like we were taught to
Speaker 1: think that we're different from them and they're different from us,
Speaker 1: when really it's the same people just with a different act.
Speaker 1: And we had to do so much ship over there.
Speaker 1: It was like, yo, like you know, I don't have
Speaker 1: a tality back then, you really just and give a
Speaker 1: funk like you know that that's a new Yorkshire. You know,
Speaker 1: we we go anywhere, like man funk all that, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna go nowhere. We got more now we keep going,
Speaker 1: so you know that's that's I don't want to knock
Speaker 1: streight down. So that's how I look and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, like, you know, one thing that that
Speaker 1: I'm curious about is you and big relationship as both
Speaker 1: being artists. How is that dynamic? How does that play
Speaker 1: out to people that are artists with careers of their own? Um,
Speaker 1: I think that probably how do you even have quality
Speaker 1: time to start with? Just even that you know, we
Speaker 1: just met. We were both already artists and it wasn't
Speaker 1: like we were full fledged into It just happened so quick.
Speaker 1: So I think the person that put more thought on
Speaker 1: that than us was I mean, he liked the fact
Speaker 1: that y'all had a relationship. I couldn't there like probably
Speaker 1: on the business. But it's like I didn't even know
Speaker 1: y'all were dating, Like I mean, I can think I
Speaker 1: remember telling him like I think he likes me. But
Speaker 1: you know, it was a matter of like two months
Speaker 1: six you know, two months from us meeting to being married.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't seven days like he's been said. It
Speaker 1: was more like two months from us meeting and actually
Speaker 1: getting married. But you know, I remember being such a
Speaker 1: big deal. It's so funny. I'm like, what the fund is?
Speaker 1: The big deal? Y'all told puff y'all like we have
Speaker 1: to make this big old meet and announced it. You
Speaker 1: are quipped, you have a catheter. I'm trying to the
Speaker 1: next month drinking work. First they called me the only time.
Speaker 1: First of all, first we could hear you first. I think.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's no other guests requested trying your bone,
Speaker 1: because that's what I'm want, Like, come on, get going
Speaker 1: on the baby guy, man, come on, help, let's star
Speaker 1: leave that out there. That's going on the big one. Pause.
Speaker 1: That's that's three fucking great people over. I can't that's
Speaker 1: the way. So rest in peace. I didn't get that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, exactly, rest in peace. I didn't mean that.
Speaker 1: But my son FaceTime with different strokes. There are suns
Speaker 1: weird out. Mopster still alive though, still okay, And I
Speaker 1: say killed name Louis is his name? That college slipping
Speaker 1: backs to see what cocaine has. Two weeks ago was
Speaker 1: there has about in front of the cannon ball. Damn,
Speaker 1: I was punked up with that. Just now, man, I
Speaker 1: feel bad about very cool man. Man, I didn't know
Speaker 1: that not so um so you got don sounds so disappointed. Man,
Speaker 1: that was my god. They compare me to for a
Speaker 1: long time. He's like, now he's still alive. Listen, just
Speaker 1: quite a few people. There's quite a few people who
Speaker 1: had the craziest run in the music industry. Bad boy
Speaker 1: that had one of the craziest one at one point.
Speaker 1: If you didn't think they had the longest run, if
Speaker 1: you ain't hip hop like strange eventI every nowaday, sorry
Speaker 1: you don't have something you didn't you agree, Benji, y'all
Speaker 1: had the illest one. Y'all tours, y'all dice games mostly
Speaker 1: like like like describe y'all first toy like as a
Speaker 1: as a bad boy family together. Let me tell you
Speaker 1: about mine. Okay it was two years ago. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the reunion tour. Okay, hold on part of that, Okay,
Speaker 1: but hold I understand you didn't You didn't go because
Speaker 1: the biggest jealousy or you didn't go because me and
Speaker 1: Big was going through it. But on some other ship.
Speaker 1: You know, I still was about my money and our career.
Speaker 1: Ship was very separate, you know. Um, and they wanted
Speaker 1: me to go on the tour, fucking saying it's promo
Speaker 1: that means free, my niggah. Like I was okay, not
Speaker 1: only on the personal side. I had found out about
Speaker 1: Big and Camp. Then Big was already dating, um, Charlie Baltimore.
Speaker 1: This so I listening happened. Not gonna don't avoid ship
Speaker 1: you dot boyd ship. I'm not angry. It's so good.
Speaker 1: I'm still Yeah, I was doing shows like you know,
Speaker 1: getting Like I want to say, at the time, I
Speaker 1: had maybe two singles out, but I had a gold
Speaker 1: My album might even been gold. But I know I
Speaker 1: had two gold singles for sure, and maybe my album
Speaker 1: almost go. I'm getting paid like sevent just to do
Speaker 1: two songs, three songs on the on the night, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe seventy five gees. Like that was okay for me.
Speaker 1: Why am I gonna go on a tour for free
Speaker 1: and might have to fund somebody up, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like I don't want to even This is
Speaker 1: me trying to be very not around that ship because
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that right exactly exactly like
Speaker 1: hell night doing that, and I um went to l
Speaker 1: A because this producer was saying he would want to
Speaker 1: pay me the write songs for his group, which is
Speaker 1: who I was with in the club to night that
Speaker 1: I met Tupac with when Tres was with Tupac in
Speaker 1: the club in l A. Because I was just trying
Speaker 1: to make money, this makes sense, and they was Tres Tres,
Speaker 1: I don't Trench from Jersey used to be at Brehouse.
Speaker 1: So he was some one like, Yo, my boy, Pad
Speaker 1: want to meet you. I'm gonna I'm gonna be honest
Speaker 1: with you. Right, I hadn't met you. We got we
Speaker 1: gotta take a ball, not okay, right, cool? So I
Speaker 1: haven't met you solo solo cool. You gotta Tau for
Speaker 1: the Birk met you, Oh my god, And I knew
Speaker 1: the most lovable person. I met you in Justice. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: I met you in Justice and um we were just
Speaker 1: there and I had smelled like wee and I knew
Speaker 1: like like the type of person you was. So when
Speaker 1: we visited the picture, I was like that pure and
Speaker 1: I had just like I could tell like, yeah, knew
Speaker 1: that I'm cool. No, I'm cool with everybody, and that's
Speaker 1: not the experience of that that in hindsight, you know.
Speaker 1: But and we were just on everything, just talking about
Speaker 1: this like last night. But you know, it's like nigger,
Speaker 1: you know me a big would I told Big I
Speaker 1: met Pop like I would avoid Biggs calls some time
Speaker 1: to that producer's house that I was working just on
Speaker 1: my little bullshit. You know, we did dumb ship. But
Speaker 1: then this time I took you. I was happy to
Speaker 1: tell him because I knew, like Big did not want
Speaker 1: to believe that. I didn't know Pop, but I knew
Speaker 1: what he said about him, how he felt about him,
Speaker 1: and so when he even had an inkle of like
Speaker 1: at that time, it wasn't confirmed like he really feel
Speaker 1: like that. But it was a little ship. It wasn't
Speaker 1: no social you know what I mean. Like I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was even so much direction at the time,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. That article wasn't out. So I was happy, like, yo,
Speaker 1: I met your boy poking. He told me he liked
Speaker 1: my music and want to do something for me. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking it was he didn't say don't do it, He's like,
Speaker 1: you gonna do it. I was like, yeah, I gave
Speaker 1: him Mark's number told how much it's gonna be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was my he was bigg manager. So after a
Speaker 1: certain point I let him be my manager because I
Speaker 1: didn't have a manager when I got signed. But you know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't something that I was hiding. You
Speaker 1: put it. That's the point I'm making, And my point
Speaker 1: was it Big would have said, don't do it it Big,
Speaker 1: because we know Big wasn't. He wasn't on the garden
Speaker 1: and he probably a little confused, like I don't think
Speaker 1: that's true, because there's no way he could feel that
Speaker 1: he could think. Would you understood how he tried to
Speaker 1: use you as a causual tier the wall? Absolutely, and
Speaker 1: not only I'm not only him. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: at that time, I didn't even know the bigger situation.
Speaker 1: When I went to the studio with cop I didn't
Speaker 1: know he was signed to death Roll. I was on
Speaker 1: stage with Pup at that Source Awards when she said
Speaker 1: that I was there on stage but I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I wasn't say I didn't know what you were talking about.
Speaker 1: I had on a like a champagne colored su Chris Webber,
Speaker 1: me and public I'm confused and clapping at like was
Speaker 1: going on. And even when I went to studio, until
Speaker 1: I walked in a studio, I didn't know Pop was
Speaker 1: signed to death Row. Like I immediately was like, oh ship,
Speaker 1: Like I knew other people from just whatever I've seen
Speaker 1: in the media. I saw probably uh, I don't remember,
Speaker 1: maybe Danny Way corrupt corrupt was there, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But I just started being a cool person,
Speaker 1: my hands smoking with everybody. You know, I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: this hook done. But I felt a little weird because
Speaker 1: I just didn't know he was on death Row. And
Speaker 1: I knew that this guy who runs this label had
Speaker 1: just said something about the president runs my label, even
Speaker 1: though I didn't know boy it was coming from, and
Speaker 1: I didn't know where it was coming from for even
Speaker 1: years after even for a few years after that, you know,
Speaker 1: like there's a whole backstory too. I left that has
Speaker 1: nothing to do a big or two you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So that's yeah, that's so um okay. In
Speaker 1: the movie again, it says, um again, I'm just a
Speaker 1: little into the movie, this can be um false for
Speaker 1: big hands about it and and me as being a man,
Speaker 1: that was my wife. We were just talking about that. No, No,
Speaker 1: that happened, um Big. I think what happened was that
Speaker 1: it was like I don't know what magazine and may
Speaker 1: have been Vibe, may have been sourced one of those,
Speaker 1: or may have been New York something rubble Stone, but
Speaker 1: they were there was an article and this is prior
Speaker 1: to I mean, this is after me going in the
Speaker 1: studio with Tupac. But again, there was no up right,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've heard it before, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know whether it was just it's online, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was on the actual death
Speaker 1: Row release or something like it was never approved something.
Speaker 1: I think they put it out with the girl duel
Speaker 1: singing it. But do you want to know the irony?
Speaker 1: You know what the song was called? Right? I wonder
Speaker 1: why I didn't call you bitch? Right? Yes, imagine you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like this is what I'm singing
Speaker 1: right now in the moment of me like, oh this
Speaker 1: snik is on death ro Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like it was weird, but one what was gonna happen next?
Speaker 1: Until I did never get my mother fucking checking. So
Speaker 1: is prior to that, um big, and Pop work good.
Speaker 1: Well again, I never met Pop. But let me take
Speaker 1: you back before that to the Quad studio night, which
Speaker 1: is another story that has been, you know, differently purported,
Speaker 1: but I remember I wasn't there, but I was at
Speaker 1: our apartment in Brooklyn and Big called me boo who
Speaker 1: crying after that ship happened and telling me, I'm going
Speaker 1: to belve you to check on Pop. You feel me.
Speaker 1: So whether anybody ever said that, but I know that, well,
Speaker 1: I knew before that. I knew he would never that
Speaker 1: wasn't something he would do. I spoke to them soon
Speaker 1: they used to be with me or they're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I don't I know. We ran upstairs and
Speaker 1: the next thing, you know, you know, I think it
Speaker 1: may not have been right away, but you know, by
Speaker 1: the time it got to public consumption, it wasn't more
Speaker 1: than a week later that people were saying that he
Speaker 1: said that or he obviously did say it, that he
Speaker 1: said they had something to do with it. But I
Speaker 1: knew that wasn't the case. Like he did called me
Speaker 1: crying going to check on him. That wasn't fake. He
Speaker 1: don't have to call me. He's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this just happened. Season him and I'm gonna go check
Speaker 1: on my man, make sure you are right, you know.
Speaker 1: And he came home later, but um, you know, he
Speaker 1: still kind of wanted to think that their relationship was
Speaker 1: a little more genuine than what he was here. I'd
Speaker 1: know what. Obviously Pop had shifted for whatever reason. You
Speaker 1: know his feelings about Big. You know, they was young.
Speaker 1: It was a battery back. If they would have met
Speaker 1: with each other, that would be I think he's definitely
Speaker 1: hopefully wasting a one day work it out, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that y'all saw each other at everything. No, no,
Speaker 1: I want a piece of He said, that wasn't That
Speaker 1: wasn't the Pop We like, he couldn't believe that dude
Speaker 1: was doing that. But you know he was with Sugar.
Speaker 1: You know Sugar, Like everybody know that Shug was putting
Speaker 1: the battery in his back, had him, you know, doing
Speaker 1: that type of ship because he had a personal situation
Speaker 1: with Puff, you know what I'm saying that, And you
Speaker 1: know we didn't know about that or you know that
Speaker 1: ship don't come around to you. Hear rumors about that
Speaker 1: ship like it was some personal ship with them that
Speaker 1: that trickled down to beyond pop situation. What I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Pop didn't want to do that, but that you know,
Speaker 1: they built him out of jail and he came out,
Speaker 1: and you know, his loyalty was to that. He can't
Speaker 1: knock him for that, you know what I'm saying. Our
Speaker 1: loyal t was towards Big. It is what it is.
Speaker 1: We didn't just it's no other reason for me to
Speaker 1: dislike that man. We didn't like him because he was
Speaker 1: going against my man. That's my boss, that's my brother,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And that's just how it was.
Speaker 1: And that wasn't really who Pop was. We hung out
Speaker 1: with him before, and that's why Big didn't. That's why
Speaker 1: Big didn't response and do these things, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it supposed to went to that level,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like you know Big, That's
Speaker 1: why he never made a response. That's why he didn't
Speaker 1: even feed into the ship that went down with the
Speaker 1: picture with harding him. He knew who he was, and
Speaker 1: he knew her before for first and foremost what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: But it wasn't nothing to really trip about, you know
Speaker 1: what i mean. But because her partner how how old
Speaker 1: was you because like like you're you're like like like
Speaker 1: that was like the first person like that they used you,
Speaker 1: Like no, but I publicly and people knew of there's
Speaker 1: other people, you know, it hasn't been oh he says
Speaker 1: this and go to that die. But yeah, I think
Speaker 1: in terms of like being um, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: publicly judged in regard to a situation and making it
Speaker 1: seem like it was my situation is way more than your.
Speaker 1: You stayed classy too, you could, you could try, but
Speaker 1: you know, don't get me wrong. I got I was
Speaker 1: very mad at first because I was like, my lord
Speaker 1: and I sued him for saying that once I started
Speaker 1: hearing they saying this, and he was like, I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, like you know, like you're gonna sue the
Speaker 1: MIKEE for saying something you know that don't And I
Speaker 1: was just like thinking of by like, girl, this could
Speaker 1: get really ugly, like you know, I ain't about to
Speaker 1: you know, not even knowing that the ship is way
Speaker 1: bigger than somebody saying something about you, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I didn't know the whole full story, but
Speaker 1: I knew that ship was wrong. But I figured enough
Speaker 1: to well I was like, excuse me, you know what,
Speaker 1: I know what it is. God knows what it is.
Speaker 1: And the only person I was concerned about initially was
Speaker 1: really Big and talking to Big, you know, which I
Speaker 1: never really got to do. Because back to that scene
Speaker 1: when you say he came and he heard about it,
Speaker 1: that was really what you started talking about that happened.
Speaker 1: You know, he was like, what the funking? I'm like, like,
Speaker 1: you're sucking. But I think it was more so him
Speaker 1: hearing about the bigger situation. And this is after Hit
Speaker 1: him Up came out. I noticed before Hit him Up,
Speaker 1: just before hit out article, it was an article saying
Speaker 1: that I traded my Yeah, the picture was one thing,
Speaker 1: but there was an article which Sugar Tupac and Sugar
Speaker 1: was like, um, I traded in my wedding ring and
Speaker 1: took him shop and brought him but I bought him
Speaker 1: the outfit he had one in the magazine. It was
Speaker 1: also heart a cool that they were talking about the
Speaker 1: same stuff. So you're right, it might have been a
Speaker 1: video somewhere too, but you know, it was like it
Speaker 1: was just when I've heard about it, and then Big
Speaker 1: kind of it was right after me coming back from
Speaker 1: l a experiencing that session with him and like him
Speaker 1: kind of breaking on me saying I gotta sunk his
Speaker 1: dick to get my check. I'm just saying I because
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not going to rehash it in that sense,
Speaker 1: because I keep like, yeah, I've talked about it, and
Speaker 1: I don't you know, but yeah, things happened in a
Speaker 1: different way where I was like, this isn't what I
Speaker 1: signed up for, so, you know, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to do that because I've seen another interview. I'm like,
Speaker 1: why did I end up talking about it again? You know,
Speaker 1: it's I talked about it in my book and I
Speaker 1: ain't really trying to like, uh shoot on his uh legacy.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, so to speak in terms
Speaker 1: of just my personal experience, but you know, I know that,
Speaker 1: you know, the way I just felt like it was
Speaker 1: it was definitely some other weird influence, Like I didn't
Speaker 1: I didn't feel comfortable around him on the strength of
Speaker 1: knowing anything other than the fact that Big really fucked
Speaker 1: with him. That's what I can't say. You feel what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You feel me. That's the only reason I
Speaker 1: was like, and I was happy. That's why I was
Speaker 1: happy to tell Big Yo, I met your boy pap.
Speaker 1: If I if I'm trying to funk with this nigga,
Speaker 1: why am I gonna tell you my husband, who's definitely
Speaker 1: about not trying to see me with no other nigga.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like Big, you know, which
Speaker 1: is why I was so offended when he was had
Speaker 1: to order to be out with like nigga white people
Speaker 1: FU killed me if I was trying to you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, So it was just it was
Speaker 1: just weird. It was just all very quick and it
Speaker 1: was just weird, you know. But I think I think
Speaker 1: the fact that when Um I kind of used you,
Speaker 1: I think that when against everybody from that on out.
Speaker 1: Now when uh yea he tried to kind of pull
Speaker 1: the same thing, it backfired and not on um. Just
Speaker 1: now Drake kind of tried to do the same things
Speaker 1: and it backfired on him. Was because those kind of
Speaker 1: like cheap shots, you don't supposed to do that, right,
Speaker 1: certain things like if you're a real guy, you don't
Speaker 1: you don't involve other people money. My situation is with you, right,
Speaker 1: That's why Big, I'm not gonna But that's because I
Speaker 1: did go on the studio. Whether people understand the fact
Speaker 1: that I just didn't know, sir. You know, I ain't
Speaker 1: looking for no sympathy, but I know what it really was.
Speaker 1: I was down there to get money. Like out, It's okay.
Speaker 1: I wasn't tripping off of no getting back at I'm
Speaker 1: trying to make money and I don't want to suck
Speaker 1: a bit up every day and for free. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that tour over there. It's crazy you mentioned Jay
Speaker 1: because I was thinking when we were talking about this,
Speaker 1: how they were able to resolve their ship and look
Speaker 1: how they grew together in a sense of you know,
Speaker 1: business that I could just imagine, you know, imagine what
Speaker 1: that could have been, what they could have done united.
Speaker 1: It would have been crazy. But they they they have,
Speaker 1: they opened up the door to That's what hip hop
Speaker 1: is about now when we talk about getting it right
Speaker 1: and getting it straight and getting on the right path.
Speaker 1: That's the example we use. You know, when he's Wrappers
Speaker 1: out here beating today and doing all this ratchet, putting
Speaker 1: guns or down, why you beat? You've seen what happened.
Speaker 1: But today, sometimes like I feel like that this generation
Speaker 1: feels disconnected from that generation. They're like that's some on
Speaker 1: purpose they felt disconnected because they don't want to feel
Speaker 1: let right, they don't want to People don't know the
Speaker 1: spirit of all of these those things. You know, we
Speaker 1: just had a conversation that kind of enlightened whoever may
Speaker 1: not have known about that, and it might be like,
Speaker 1: oh damn, it was actually a whole spirit in the
Speaker 1: core of you know, the big impacts relationship, what became
Speaker 1: of it and what the you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: there was some type of real spirit inside of that
Speaker 1: in the beginning, you know. So I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people that in terms of speaking on based on
Speaker 1: that story alone or that example, they don't really understand
Speaker 1: that it's more just a beef. They don't really understand
Speaker 1: like what we just talked about, like really history behind.
Speaker 1: He didn't want to believe you know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: that I wouldnerstand myself, Like I remember me making L
Speaker 1: A L A the record to defend Big and bringing
Speaker 1: the big seeing it because he genuinely cared. But I
Speaker 1: think just he was he was because yeah, when I
Speaker 1: couldn't even picture it, he was like, look, we're not
Speaker 1: gonna this tim because they accused me of somebody do
Speaker 1: North and I'm like, nah, be this is how we
Speaker 1: used to see them. It's how they're approaching us like nah,
Speaker 1: I'm like no, nah, and like I've never been before
Speaker 1: in my life at that time, I mean you already
Speaker 1: had that in your hand, Like man, if I got
Speaker 1: to go back there now, this is our mentality, and
Speaker 1: natis mentality, like you know, to their kids, do that
Speaker 1: just now for wreck. You know, you put me on
Speaker 1: the ground, We're gonna pull up. You know that's we
Speaker 1: didn't have that money. It was straight man, you stick
Speaker 1: shift in my life everything is automatic right now. Cheat
Speaker 1: you know it was stick shifting on every my nigga,
Speaker 1: you know, to learn how to da at that point
Speaker 1: you can go to the club, but not knowing that
Speaker 1: the nitya pull up right. There ain't no texting me back.
Speaker 1: You're not sitting in so you know that's how we can't.
Speaker 1: That's that's the ver of that. This game is so
Speaker 1: like on the flip side, I'm happy, ain't nobody catch me,
Speaker 1: you know, pulling up catching rack on nobody's video. There's
Speaker 1: no social media, you know. You know we start some
Speaker 1: of the days when we had to sit around fifty
Speaker 1: left right, guys and guys got ninety niggas for queens.
Speaker 1: You've got landing niggs from Brooklyn. M P Got thirty
Speaker 1: niggas from Browns. Building Chain got two hundred niggas. Gust
Speaker 1: all types of ship they're here at braided ever ships
Speaker 1: with them strange nigga. Nobody's service, No no around here.
Speaker 1: You get to the ball, yo, my bitches, not coming
Speaker 1: to just what are you make straight? Forty dirty days?
Speaker 1: You one of you're a large because I love shout
Speaker 1: out the Red Kwan and met the man that dirt
Speaker 1: your dirty little fucked up is back up days. I'll
Speaker 1: see my drant ship on for like eight months because
Speaker 1: let's set shot. You just wake up and just put
Speaker 1: almos on the side of your bed. What actually not
Speaker 1: taking that to the we would be the album comes
Speaker 1: to the ship that you just ma have stallus cous days.
Speaker 1: People bring you your shoes and shirts and ship lined
Speaker 1: up the days shoes out of the shoes out to
Speaker 1: make you step In the movie where he had two
Speaker 1: sides thirties that they had these the gators right and
Speaker 1: you know the uh what he was there was a twelve,
Speaker 1: he went thirteens. But you know they probably run a
Speaker 1: little smaller in the gator joint and the ships were
Speaker 1: too tight and they ain't had no other options. He
Speaker 1: cut the back of the shoes and made them basically
Speaker 1: made him slides. He cut the back of the n
Speaker 1: gators and performed on the source of forts like but
Speaker 1: you couldn't see because the pants was on that. They
Speaker 1: made him some fucking slidings and cut the whole back
Speaker 1: out and so trained on the back of on the
Speaker 1: back shy. Let me just walk like slipper, Let me
Speaker 1: just back too tight, he moved too much asgott gun
Speaker 1: up manly. So gonna make your old movie. I'm actually
Speaker 1: working on it. Yeah, you set up a home movie.
Speaker 1: You They don't know that because because you know how
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean we're talking about because when I
Speaker 1: see the Death Rowd movie and that's Michelle a. Right,
Speaker 1: even though Michell l A, it didn't coincide, you know
Speaker 1: what what in the movie did, but it also was
Speaker 1: their part of it was just her part of the story.
Speaker 1: I didn't expect it. I didn't understand it, but didn't
Speaker 1: from you as a person who said it very straight
Speaker 1: and give you my very fortom university and true at
Speaker 1: the same time, I am working on a biopic, but
Speaker 1: it's actually a companion to my New York Times best
Speaker 1: selling biography called Keep the Safe. So I wrote a
Speaker 1: book so much answered to Biggie's movie and the Funnies.
Speaker 1: Shit about that is um. When I wrote my book,
Speaker 1: the publishers put it out, and you know, I knew
Speaker 1: about Miss Wallace and the doing the Notorious movie, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't like I was actively a part of you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I went and c J feeling this part and you know,
Speaker 1: you got a sign for your life, right, But it
Speaker 1: wasn't like I was. But when they decided to put
Speaker 1: it out, it was kind of around the song the
Speaker 1: time that they wanted to put out. I mean that
Speaker 1: the Notorious movie was coming out, and that was never
Speaker 1: my plan when I decided to write a memoir. You
Speaker 1: feel me, So I kind of felt weird, like I
Speaker 1: don't want people to think I'm trying to piggyback. So
Speaker 1: that's why I didn't never really go on a book too.
Speaker 1: I didn't promote my book because I felt I couldn't
Speaker 1: get them to change the day. It might have been
Speaker 1: like a month or a few weeks, you know, later
Speaker 1: than the movie. But I just felt strange. I was like,
Speaker 1: people want to clearly think, right, And that's I decided
Speaker 1: to do the book because I was pregnant and refused
Speaker 1: to do a record with the able. I was one
Speaker 1: at the time. You know, that's the only reason I didn't.
Speaker 1: The guy was like asking me for years to write
Speaker 1: a book, and I'm like, okay, that's a cool little
Speaker 1: couple of hundred thousand, you know. Um, That's why I
Speaker 1: did it. But when it decided to be when they
Speaker 1: decided to release it, just so happens. The Toriis movie
Speaker 1: was coming out a month or two before, and I
Speaker 1: was just like, it feels weird. But they was like, well,
Speaker 1: that's not what we're based on our release on this
Speaker 1: is in the book world, and this is the window
Speaker 1: you know how that go, you know, like on the
Speaker 1: whatever day of the week they put out albums or
Speaker 1: you know. Um, So that's why I never really haven't leave.
Speaker 1: My book would have been but it's one of them
Speaker 1: called favorite movie is supposedly based off of my book.
Speaker 1: Loosely based on my book because my book kind of
Speaker 1: ended at me leaving bad Boy, but I got married
Speaker 1: after that. I had a kid after that. So there's
Speaker 1: things that's happened in my life. So obviously I'm gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, try and put some of those things in there.
Speaker 1: But it's kind of based on my book, which is
Speaker 1: my story. But my story isn't based on me and
Speaker 1: bigs withationship, even though that's the most sensational part of
Speaker 1: it and there's a huge part of my life and
Speaker 1: an important part of my life. But you know, there's
Speaker 1: ship that I've been before that used to get my
Speaker 1: be for sneaking out the window to go to somebody's
Speaker 1: studio that I ain't even you know know, I was
Speaker 1: gonna be a recording artists, so you know what I
Speaker 1: used to man niggas when I was a little That's
Speaker 1: why Dick don't really do ship for me now, like
Speaker 1: you're wait, wait let me, I don't want to ship.
Speaker 1: He's title lady right about wow. I mean when I
Speaker 1: was like Fabiro Jase seventeen, I will pretty miss you
Speaker 1: with and only it was just like, oh, I like him,
Speaker 1: you know. So that's why I asked that, doesn't you
Speaker 1: it's gonna be yeah, I'm letting my home lose say
Speaker 1: but you don't right to say why not. I don't
Speaker 1: right the death around nobody wants to hear. Why you
Speaker 1: can't say that? You can say you can't, I can't
Speaker 1: you want to say I'm not like that's the voice
Speaker 1: shocking up now. I was singing this ship. I was
Speaker 1: a maneuver apart. I was trying to make is that
Speaker 1: that has never been something that has driven me in turn,
Speaker 1: Like we were just talking about how people like, you know,
Speaker 1: certain people things coming on to him when we be out,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, why she think you
Speaker 1: don't like you don't have a label, Like so she
Speaker 1: wants to suck you because she thinks she's gonna be all.
Speaker 1: But we know that's kind of like how this culture
Speaker 1: is a lot. But I'm like, I got that out
Speaker 1: the way when I was a teenager. I ain't chick
Speaker 1: trying to get way. I'm here. Don't tell my mother,
Speaker 1: don't watching. This is why to hang on. This is
Speaker 1: why you know that I got your ship. Take ship,
Speaker 1: Come on, Gary, take a ball. This is great. Let's brisk.
Speaker 1: Let's for that last one was hard. I'll take one
Speaker 1: for that. Oh my god, I don't want the one.
Speaker 1: I don't want them more. That's I'll take one more.
Speaker 1: I'll do it. I will don't talk for she don't checking. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. Uh actually never got this
Speaker 1: text before in my life, especially for the last two
Speaker 1: and a half years. Uh, Elliott Wilson had to text
Speaker 1: me it's that good interview with Push. Nice. You guys
Speaker 1: were focused, We were focused. I don't think there are
Speaker 1: any more focus than you've ever been. I just think, well, well,
Speaker 1: you know sometimes you know, like I would like to think,
Speaker 1: Elliott Wilson, I'll pick you up y and and I
Speaker 1: will also because I did, I did take that part
Speaker 1: of be dots when so many people were like push
Speaker 1: Push your this phenomenal body your work, when I yeah,
Speaker 1: and everybody asking them about Drake right, funk that let's
Speaker 1: talk about your body at work. So I'm I'm just sorry,
Speaker 1: just had a moment clarity, but faith, yes, you've got
Speaker 1: to be like the realest woman perfect. Sorry, I'm not
Speaker 1: sorry for you. I'm sorry for anything that people because no, honestly,
Speaker 1: I know I get really, I mean, I'm just I'm comfortable. No, no,
Speaker 1: this to me all the time, I forgot the cameras
Speaker 1: was there sometimes that you didn't But that's why that's
Speaker 1: like you like, you just sugned me real quick, like
Speaker 1: I like, yo, come on, y'all know. But that's why
Speaker 1: I like, I always defended you with that the picture.
Speaker 1: It was because I know you like and I know
Speaker 1: like your lovable person energy. Your energy is just like
Speaker 1: I kid you not. I met you in Justice one
Speaker 1: day and I stood there and I get you a
Speaker 1: hug or something like, you know how people like you
Speaker 1: know I'm Spanish, so when we get a breaking you know,
Speaker 1: we kiss you on the side of your cheek and
Speaker 1: I guess you must have smelled muslim oil and mad marijuana.
Speaker 1: He was like, nigga, you got mad We we do?
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, we don you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And I was like, yo, you know, I
Speaker 1: got you and and we we came out side playing smoke.
Speaker 1: We gave out side smoked and you were so lovable
Speaker 1: and I was just like and it made me think
Speaker 1: back on that picture. I said, that ship it has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with us. He was that happened in
Speaker 1: the industry, where with nobody's situation ain't nothing to me,
Speaker 1: especially when it's a female too. We know. Looking It's
Speaker 1: funny because that picture was the very first time I
Speaker 1: somebody made to sing the picture and thought we had
Speaker 1: hung out several times. That's the first time I met him,
Speaker 1: only because Ruck saying, hey, Tutok want to meet you,
Speaker 1: and you know why, you didn't know how it was
Speaker 1: a little definitely you could see like I did not
Speaker 1: do the FIA because I'm like I did. It was high,
Speaker 1: but it might have been like it was supposed to be.
Speaker 1: So somebody asked you something, is it anything if you
Speaker 1: could do over in in this game, over the one
Speaker 1: thing that you want to do over um? That's an
Speaker 1: okair question to say one thing you want to be
Speaker 1: Because I did a song and it goes um and
Speaker 1: it's kind of a general just like because you're about
Speaker 1: to go into your ship. I was just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, she just throwing off the head. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it's you know, it's like okay. In two thousand
Speaker 1: and five, I came out with my album and Capital.
Speaker 1: That was my first deal after I left the bad
Speaker 1: Boy Just who happened? I got arrested with my ex
Speaker 1: husband saying I was not quiet. I said nothing, no
Speaker 1: finished ahead anyway, getting crazy. I'm not even gonna go there.
Speaker 1: Nothing less. I came out with my album on my
Speaker 1: new label after leaving Bad Boy, and it was like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is the first one that you got, but you
Speaker 1: just got arrested. Even though you're arrested, was a little
Speaker 1: purported and anyway, people basically say, like, you know, I
Speaker 1: had to be a rehab for crack. It was like
Speaker 1: some real bullshit, Like anyway, the real story, I picked
Speaker 1: my husband up from the airport and they checked the
Speaker 1: slug as they found a cigarette case with a joint
Speaker 1: and and you know something that they said was either
Speaker 1: ecstasy or cocaine, but they never sent to a laugh.
Speaker 1: But I happened to be the driver, and I happened
Speaker 1: to be the one that was a famous person, and
Speaker 1: he happened to not say, hey, that was just mine.
Speaker 1: So I happen to have to go down and it's
Speaker 1: all good because you know, I'm no But anyway, I
Speaker 1: still got to be the one to get both of
Speaker 1: us out for me, so why not. Anyway, the point
Speaker 1: I'm making this um and they like, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I got this there, you know, I got this is
Speaker 1: my first thing. So the hook goes, if I had
Speaker 1: to do it all again, I wouldn't take away the
Speaker 1: rain because I know it made me who I am.
Speaker 1: So basically a lot of ship happened. That's okay, I
Speaker 1: don't flow that ship again. Like there's so much stuff that,
Speaker 1: yeah I had I known, and I wouldn't. But I'm
Speaker 1: really not mad because even sometimes i'd be like, people
Speaker 1: think that I'm just like gay. So I guess I
Speaker 1: am in the way of I don't like nobody to
Speaker 1: play me, but I'm not like some bits that like
Speaker 1: to fight, and like all my cousins like all my life.
Speaker 1: I know my cousin's want to me all my life,
Speaker 1: like my grandmother like, so I never was a fighter
Speaker 1: in terms of I want to fight, but I was
Speaker 1: in the industry as a that was a new thing.
Speaker 1: And I'm from the church. I just said I didn't
Speaker 1: never want nobody's things ship with sweet, so I kind
Speaker 1: of had some feel like I feel like you were
Speaker 1: just saying I'm from the church. I'm saying nothing. It's
Speaker 1: like knock knock stamp. I don't like. I don't really
Speaker 1: like the fact that people think that way with me
Speaker 1: because I'm such as I'm saying the fact that I'm
Speaker 1: just cool. I really people help people like, oh, shoot,
Speaker 1: let me connect you. I don't want to know. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be your nothing to pop be like,
Speaker 1: why don't you man? I'm know I would connect you
Speaker 1: with them. I know nothing from it. I don't want that.
Speaker 1: I just, you know, let me help you out in
Speaker 1: whatever way I can. But I'm not that person. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I got kids worried out about
Speaker 1: my letting yours. He's on an artism spectrum, so my
Speaker 1: energy has to go into a more more productive place
Speaker 1: and more progressive place, so um, you know. But then
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I ain't kind of mat that they know,
Speaker 1: don't fuck me. That ship is not sweet either though,
Speaker 1: And I will call my motherfucking cousins from a leven
Speaker 1: grom An avenue and I would want my names from
Speaker 1: Brooklyn and will be like, no, I know it's you.
Speaker 1: I didn't say that with like, we're not wepping. We
Speaker 1: don't be got no weapons, we don't we got no best.
Speaker 1: So so le's have another one. I'm gona have another one.
Speaker 1: Children were talking about another one. Another shot of Tiger
Speaker 1: you gouts a ridiculous line, I'm a I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta go Pepe. Let me go first, the fastest of
Speaker 1: the fast, mad fast. Oh my god, this is mother
Speaker 1: come out with leap hang out. No me, I'm going
Speaker 1: to sleep with Leaves. No, I'm is something. I'm going
Speaker 1: to hang out with le like right there. I'm going
Speaker 1: right there and ship with league r. Come on, leg
Speaker 1: we haven't see your version of the show. We got it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we scorn just now the talk. I'm good water. Did
Speaker 1: you feel you're honestly, this is the most tiger bone
Speaker 1: that we've drank in one episode. This is a new model. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I promise you first this mante this with this many people.
Speaker 1: There's many people like Brandon. No, he had us slod
Speaker 1: on that type. Brandon was on the tyger bone. That's
Speaker 1: my first job. I don't even know where the first
Speaker 1: term there was the first shot out of talk about
Speaker 1: at Night. Yo, you don't remember. Whispering doesn't work. No,
Speaker 1: we got the right here, but I don't know what
Speaker 1: it was. You don't remember we was up there with Chico.
Speaker 1: It was me you Chico Bang wasn't around. It might
Speaker 1: have even been somebody from Jersey with us, like Marky
Speaker 1: Branson had us and you said, red Man put you
Speaker 1: onto the spot. Brad put me on the Branson and
Speaker 1: I introduced Branson the Big. I introduced Big Jacob with
Speaker 1: Juela for the first time. I put five dollars down
Speaker 1: on the wedding ring man with cheegos, you know, Manny
Speaker 1: that that's the biggest gets joy from first. And then
Speaker 1: then Jacob to Julia was like, you know he took
Speaker 1: to see if Judy you know Tito's tricks. Okay, Tito
Speaker 1: was ye green letters, you walk in it like I
Speaker 1: sweep like a few years ago right now, Yeah, to
Speaker 1: go passed away like yeah, yeah, you got your back,
Speaker 1: so hold on, hold on, hold on, Tito passed away. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: a three years that's fight Biggs to with Tito too,
Speaker 1: that's why. And then the chips that Manni's man so
Speaker 1: before Jacob, right yo, that was their hell. You know
Speaker 1: he had the jewels like that's who you used to
Speaker 1: go see first. That was be your man right there.
Speaker 1: Very looks, oh very, I didn't even see that. Nothing.
Speaker 1: Nothing like a lot of ways. Four joint got more
Speaker 1: joints to the little bit horn. It's not a little
Speaker 1: bit a little bit okay, okay, okay, anyone wants it's
Speaker 1: just in case you got no more just in kicks.
Speaker 1: So this is Drake Champs and Drink Champs. We celebrate
Speaker 1: our legends, we celebrate our people who's been here. And
Speaker 1: it's just because there is no other platform, other format,
Speaker 1: any other thing that's like this, because these people they
Speaker 1: want to write us all every time we get we
Speaker 1: have a little bit of years. Why do you think
Speaker 1: that's only an all culture? Why is that only an
Speaker 1: all culture? Is that? Is that a hip hop thing?
Speaker 1: Is it a black and Latin? Because she will say
Speaker 1: that that's documented, that is it is only a hip
Speaker 1: hop is documented and hip hop after you have ten years,
Speaker 1: you are o G and o G is another world.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I'm saying now they say that is
Speaker 1: a little world of calling your old dagger nogga respect
Speaker 1: you because it record said something like that, call you
Speaker 1: o G. But they don't really mean it. They just
Speaker 1: calling you. Oh, you don't really see it. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: fact and that's real ship like because we look at
Speaker 1: it like it's respect, but didn't see I expect you
Speaker 1: because you're still right here, You're still rocking, You're still yeah,
Speaker 1: I get that. It's like, no, when people say you
Speaker 1: a legend or your things like that. That's kind of
Speaker 1: niggas always sending you farewell, like every saying no, I
Speaker 1: don't see degree know a certain word you're using different
Speaker 1: undersity doesn't mean fail well, no, it doesn't mean people
Speaker 1: use the way people use you. Gonna fun with you,
Speaker 1: you legendary. It's two different motherfucking places said, I think
Speaker 1: about the people use it, this society, you know, having
Speaker 1: what you do. So he's like, you know, you're calling
Speaker 1: your old g legend at the same time to get
Speaker 1: that record. You come on, how do you because you're
Speaker 1: a legend. You know, it's kind of like means the
Speaker 1: same anything. I don't look at it. It's definitely of
Speaker 1: the same thing. That's what means you have to have
Speaker 1: established a legas well. It's a good thing, fucking you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. That means somebody paid attention to
Speaker 1: certain steps like that because in kind of thing, nigga, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're so hard for a certain amount of time. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's when you and g because that's what that's supposed
Speaker 1: to suggest. You can from a certain time here. You
Speaker 1: may have a legacy of doing something doing something up.
Speaker 1: But sad as the way people say it that. I
Speaker 1: think that's what the kids saying to that in the streets.
Speaker 1: He told right now, I don't think that of me.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying I was know about. I understand when
Speaker 1: they they they bigging me up, and I understand when
Speaker 1: they come it's like that's what they know. Niggers like
Speaker 1: like saying you're doing more time to sing? Yeah, saying nigger,
Speaker 1: you ain't coming out here. You know you're here for
Speaker 1: this five minutes. Enough cool, you're gonna get the funk
Speaker 1: about Cool with that, but that's not gonna take that.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm takigg like yeah, like I said, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: my nigga, you had jews, You're good. Keep me nobody
Speaker 1: you knew. Ship sunk with you. I'm not expecting about
Speaker 1: day made me some say with me with me something
Speaker 1: just don't like that. What you know what legend legend.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing people from legend be tweaking back and legend
Speaker 1: and you know because I was one of those, Like now,
Speaker 1: I didn't put in that work for that, but I
Speaker 1: get what people saying. I mean like they're just trying
Speaker 1: to give you props. But to me, I could be like, no,
Speaker 1: I think you're saying I'm done. What you gotta think about? Okay,
Speaker 1: back to on the on the sidell what you said
Speaker 1: about how fast if moves. Now for them to say
Speaker 1: legend that ship for their moves, and yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: you see. That's why, that's why they say some classic
Speaker 1: albums is two days right, come no ship, come out
Speaker 1: Friday and say it's a classic by Sunday. I think
Speaker 1: album was a classic, but when did it cleared the
Speaker 1: classic It was not even right like they said Friday's
Speaker 1: album came out and they said it's a classic by Sunday,
Speaker 1: and I said, maybe Sunday of two more years. That's
Speaker 1: what I can't do it love and I love that album,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying that the fact that Timeline and
Speaker 1: they did that, like Reverdy died wasn't cleared a classif
Speaker 1: the year two years later, Ill Mattock shook ones if
Speaker 1: Amos marb album, you know snoop all the times making
Speaker 1: a classic classic Now you can't judge, can't come on
Speaker 1: the day, no, you know Wednesday, it's a class run
Speaker 1: like they run fast, like they did attention to people
Speaker 1: at the end of that year. So what they say,
Speaker 1: you kept my attention for more than it's like it's
Speaker 1: to be. They're forced to work a lot. Like we
Speaker 1: used to put out classics like once that six months
Speaker 1: a year, you know, and made you appreciated artist. You
Speaker 1: didn't flood them. Now you have to just like gotta
Speaker 1: do free freest down just for Instagram. That is just
Speaker 1: like you know, you you you compete, you have to
Speaker 1: constantly and it's just different Master. It's more access so
Speaker 1: it's like whereas it's easier to get your ship heard
Speaker 1: or whether it becomes super popular or not as easy
Speaker 1: as so much ship out there, but it's so much
Speaker 1: more bullshit too. It's like more crowded. So it's like, yea,
Speaker 1: so how am I such a punt? The ship that's
Speaker 1: really hot? So what you do? You know what you like?
Speaker 1: More independent or major? I don't know because I really
Speaker 1: I mean you independence, I don't. I mean my last
Speaker 1: I'm mcking and I I did with Rhino Records, which
Speaker 1: is a subsidiary of Universal. Okay, it's under Universital Atlantic,
Speaker 1: but it's still um. They are who acquired the Masters
Speaker 1: from bad Boy, you know, Puff sold the Masters. He's
Speaker 1: sold them to Atlantic, so that's they do the box set. Okay,
Speaker 1: they owe my ship too good? Feeling so good? I go, yeah,
Speaker 1: taking I gotta do. You got to connect. But uh,
Speaker 1: you know that was a situation of them acquiring the masses?
Speaker 1: What the fun was the what the point I was
Speaker 1: making the first point what you said versus major? But
Speaker 1: I gotta mean show with the game. You know what's
Speaker 1: the crazy about you? You always gonna be a little bro,
Speaker 1: you know, bro to be like whatever you're gonn always
Speaker 1: be a little bro. Like that's what I'm doing. Just
Speaker 1: you gotta be a little bro. I'm not gonna read. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: we're doing rose and once I'm talking about you promised
Speaker 1: us one time. We don't have just yeah, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is no, we're quitting. This is a term that he's
Speaker 1: not gonna say that. He's not gonna say that. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say something. That shot and that drink, No, that's
Speaker 1: a drink because I know that's a shot coming how many?
Speaker 1: Because you know what people knowing more than anyone. So
Speaker 1: why you're not worried about me? Are you funked up?
Speaker 1: My body? So I'm playing now you know what I'm
Speaker 1: cook Uh, Faith your queen and we want you to recognize.
Speaker 1: We want you to understand, We want you to know
Speaker 1: that you appreciate it over here. Yeah, it's because it's
Speaker 1: because again I want to reiterate this, our generation, our
Speaker 1: legacy are people. We forget to pick up our own people.
Speaker 1: We were big up you know everything else. And you know,
Speaker 1: I just I just looked at ancestry dot com. And
Speaker 1: since um, you know, Wakanda came out, excuse me, since
Speaker 1: Black Panther came out, we all want to go, you know,
Speaker 1: research our fucking roots. Anybody want to be from a
Speaker 1: CALMDA right now is what we gotta do. We gotta
Speaker 1: continue to pack each other up because to me, to me,
Speaker 1: it's not about a race. To me, it's not about
Speaker 1: being black, white, Latino or whatever. To me, it's about
Speaker 1: being hip hop. Sometimes hip hop is are nationality. Sometimes
Speaker 1: hip hop is a coach. If we all sit together
Speaker 1: and we all love the same artists, that transition, that
Speaker 1: trans say and transcends, you know, love and general transcend
Speaker 1: and love love of whatever, your love with someone's spirit,
Speaker 1: your love of music, your love is when someone's personality,
Speaker 1: it's love period that transcends. Music plays into that. But
Speaker 1: that lets you know how much of music, you know,
Speaker 1: and the positive size of it is a part of love.
Speaker 1: You feel me. I'm saying, it's just like all a
Speaker 1: lot of energy, and I'm not so deep as bitch.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean not like that, no blaspheme. I
Speaker 1: love the Lord. I grew up in church, but it's
Speaker 1: not so much about the Bible specifically. I'm just like
Speaker 1: a I like the energy. I like to feel good.
Speaker 1: I like to make people feel I'm not a negative bitch,
Speaker 1: I don't you know. I don't want no problems. But
Speaker 1: don't sunk with me either, though. But I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: don't trying to play. You can suck with me and
Speaker 1: I'll be like, Okay, I have a great day. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But I'm just saying, you know,
Speaker 1: I can't come out here. I'm like, where you win
Speaker 1: your crazy? Ya know? Okay? It was like, I love
Speaker 1: you're playing this. I was listening to mend for the Headlock.
Speaker 1: It's all right, they don't want it. We got one shot.
Speaker 1: You know it's gonna be one more. I'm not ship.
Speaker 1: Let's coold him who even asked for the shot? Finished
Speaker 1: my story anyway, I'm not I'm scared the horn. This
Speaker 1: this this horn works like Sonny's kids don't exist. I went,
Speaker 1: I went to a friend. I went to be honest.
Speaker 1: My nig my nigga forty nine, How old are you?
Speaker 1: Forty nine? That's my boy. He's been going to roast
Speaker 1: his nineteen he got, he got a side baby, and
Speaker 1: he just puts taking boat Cabins Fats ship. I'm just
Speaker 1: don't I'm tying you. Listen, man, you don't get a
Speaker 1: Cabins Fats when his side ship. I want to see you,
Speaker 1: got ya, y'all. I'm not just your boy work. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna It's been a very slight shot and I'm my white.
Speaker 1: I maintained that I balanced myself good to that I'm
Speaker 1: not really usually I'm not ready to say. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get to that. Y'all need to nick at the
Speaker 1: moment for the gotty level, because I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: to the gotty levels. My best interview you a little bit,
Speaker 1: a little bit bit. I got drink the last No,
Speaker 1: I'm drink the last one. I'm not gonna. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: to you. I'm quite you, absolutely, queen. I love you.
Speaker 1: Fishy Heppy birthday her birthday just last birthday, shamming. I
Speaker 1: see you. Let's still a birthday. I'll be honest. Oh why,
Speaker 1: I'll be honest. You're stupid shows on jet. We got gifts,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we do, got so we got gifts of
Speaker 1: let the tiger suttle. Yeah, I gotta let we got
Speaker 1: got drink chance somebody two shorts from last time. Actually
Speaker 1: that's not that's that's an extra. I just threw that
Speaker 1: into you don't have shot for what though, I don't
Speaker 1: know what. I'm not taking any more shots to that.
Speaker 1: We did it because because she requested it. Big facts.
Speaker 1: I can see this. She sus me to death, but
Speaker 1: I see it's no way I'm assist. But I'm saying
Speaker 1: the wh I'm done. It's family right there. That's not
Speaker 1: supposed to be that. You know what I mean? You
Speaker 1: know I look out for you all the time. You
Speaker 1: want me? Okay, okay, let me ask you a question,
Speaker 1: right me, moving case solo right now, just met okay,
Speaker 1: so let me ask you a question. It's my birthday.
Speaker 1: I want to I've just freedom. My son is with
Speaker 1: his dad for we funck everything. We're like we over
Speaker 1: the one like I'm down. Fuck it, I'm down. We
Speaker 1: rolled like two nas like we just unsolved. We're seeing
Speaker 1: a notorious movie. We're seeing through a two pat movie.
Speaker 1: We're seeing, Um, Johnny Depp even got the piece of this.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. When is the Seas Faith story? We were
Speaker 1: just talking about that My movie is actually it's not
Speaker 1: a feature film, but I am in a deal with
Speaker 1: viacom and to do a picture based on what we
Speaker 1: were talking about the Pp on my book. Remember it's
Speaker 1: based on my book yeah, before you got the peep
Speaker 1: But anyway, Yeah, it's coming out soon. But I'm just
Speaker 1: kind of I don't know, I wasn't so sure about
Speaker 1: it for so long because I'm like, I'm not really
Speaker 1: pressed like that, you know, but because if it ain't,
Speaker 1: if they don't really be but yeah, but they ain't
Speaker 1: tell my story. They told whatever they told. My story
Speaker 1: is my fucking story. Nobody can't tell my story for me.
Speaker 1: But um, my part of my life and story has
Speaker 1: been depicted in other people's stories, some accurately, some not
Speaker 1: so accurately. But you know, it's I just was kind
Speaker 1: of toying with it. But I think it's gonna come
Speaker 1: out good. You know. I'm like very careful about stuff
Speaker 1: like that. If it ain't gonna be right, it ain't
Speaker 1: gonna be right. It's not like that ain't gonna make
Speaker 1: a difference in my life to do a movie that
Speaker 1: ain't really completely a true story, just to say I
Speaker 1: had a movie on TV. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: who the cares? If that's the case. I've done the
Speaker 1: reality show, you know, a long time ago, and you know,
Speaker 1: like I'm just certain things. I'm just like that don't
Speaker 1: make sense for me, Like that ain't real ship, Like
Speaker 1: my real ship is actually right now, let's shot just
Speaker 1: like this is a little more closer to you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, God, God, damnit man, this real ship? Man?
Speaker 1: You know what, because you know why we get we
Speaker 1: get to hear the stories from sidelines to Herrod, you know,
Speaker 1: from you to to see you, you know, first of
Speaker 1: so beautiful, so coming back to life so put together. Um,
Speaker 1: we want to pick that up. We want to we
Speaker 1: want to salute that, We want to you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, yeah, that's why I got that. But
Speaker 1: I don't know. So, um so really, really, so were
Speaker 1: you after all the things you've done in your life? Really,
Speaker 1: what's next? Like, really, what do you want to do next, Like, um, well,
Speaker 1: music is always going to be a great part of
Speaker 1: my life. And like you was saying, you still love
Speaker 1: the game. It's not so much that I've never lost
Speaker 1: a love for creating great music, whether it's popular, whether
Speaker 1: niggas is really buying it, Like I really get off.
Speaker 1: I know I'm good at that ship. I go on
Speaker 1: the booth and I'm the truth. I'm just saying. I mean,
Speaker 1: you might not hear it, like somebody's looks like I
Speaker 1: never heard this song like Nigi. It was on my
Speaker 1: couple of independent projects. But you know it's like that's
Speaker 1: not why I do it. It's like I have a
Speaker 1: gift for that, but I've also been blessed to understand
Speaker 1: and use my acumen to do other things, Like you're
Speaker 1: doing this thing, you know what I'm saying, You extend
Speaker 1: your life in other ways. Like I was a creator
Speaker 1: and executive producer of R and B Divas. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that right that. You know, although after
Speaker 1: the first season they kind of shifted the creative spirit
Speaker 1: of it, but you know it was a not under
Speaker 1: my belt, you know what I'm saying in that lane,
Speaker 1: So you know I'm always pitching stuff in the in
Speaker 1: the TV world too, So you know, I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to like do the stuff that I can do that
Speaker 1: makes sense for me, you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 1: that of course makes money, but the money has to
Speaker 1: make sense, so all money don't make sense. So I
Speaker 1: know you said that you and Kim patched it up
Speaker 1: after Big God, but I didn't say that. What I
Speaker 1: did say was any any ill feelings that I had
Speaker 1: to Kim or be that what the funk I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be mad at you for if he's dead. But um,
Speaker 1: not until I decided to do The King and Our
Speaker 1: album was I able to. Really, that's so crazy. I
Speaker 1: just did an interview with Hollywood Unlocked. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's okay to mention that on him. Okay, But
Speaker 1: I did an interview up that they were talking about
Speaker 1: the Backboys. I'm getting every the kid stop won't sad,
Speaker 1: and they was like, you know, we see how puff
Speaker 1: watch you all back together, And I was like, hold on,
Speaker 1: let's be clear. You know what I'm saying, Like no,
Speaker 1: me and Sees was actually sitting on the speaker's in
Speaker 1: rehearsal for the Bad Boy Tour. And I had already
Speaker 1: said I want him on this me and big album
Speaker 1: that I'm doing, you know, and that was my first
Speaker 1: I had probably reached out to whoever her manager, and
Speaker 1: maybe even since the track. I don't even know if
Speaker 1: I had to track it, but I probably reached out
Speaker 1: and said I want her on this album and she
Speaker 1: said yeah, through them, but this is my first time
Speaker 1: seeing her, and he was like, Yo, they're o him
Speaker 1: right there. You know. It was really on the humbug.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, shoot, let me go talk to
Speaker 1: but the cameras is everywhere, so we're catching everything. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the camera ship is some other ship. Everybody ain't know
Speaker 1: one like they feel the documentary anyway. But somebody thought
Speaker 1: that Puff brought me and Kim together, and I was like, no, no,
Speaker 1: shade to Puff and that was a good depiction of it.
Speaker 1: But no, I already had reached out to Kim because
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is an important album. If the nigger
Speaker 1: was alive, we definitely did an album together. Not have
Speaker 1: definitely been like Nick and this would be flies we
Speaker 1: you know, whether he was working on who the funk ever?
Speaker 1: Like if the bitches dope up saying you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like, so it just made sense to me,
Speaker 1: especially with that song. We both loved him so but
Speaker 1: it wasn't a tough thing to say you do that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? It was more so me
Speaker 1: and she sitting on the speaker. I'm like yo, He's
Speaker 1: like yo, came. I'm like where He's like she right there.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, ship, let me go talk to it.
Speaker 1: So the camera saw that, so they put it, you know,
Speaker 1: not saying they made it up and said that in
Speaker 1: the documented but people took it like that was the
Speaker 1: moment that, you know, but it wasn't like that. It
Speaker 1: wasn't more so, that's just the ship that I'm on,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm not really tripping like that. Goddamn,
Speaker 1: I don't want to work. It's like, right now, that's
Speaker 1: what I've got. Access's coming, She's coming out, alright. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm saying I don't know, I don't don't care. She's
Speaker 1: coming your ass access before we leave. Okay, what happened?
Speaker 1: Because it's like a big question. You gott to cover
Speaker 1: his because it's a big way. Let me, I'm covering mind,
Speaker 1: it's a big question to drink. What the fuck the
Speaker 1: big eat ass. Yeah, I get that depends on who.
Speaker 1: I don't know. He ain't mine your time. I'm bad
Speaker 1: shem sificating way, that was a pretty question. You look,
Speaker 1: I listen, man make very bigger real horn, right, I'm
Speaker 1: around Jim out too short. It's good. That's got to
Speaker 1: do it, Jim. I'm I'm just saying I'm season but
Speaker 1: now but now de rock Also, um, I see a
Speaker 1: little and he said. He expressed the fact that he
Speaker 1: didn't want people to celebrate March knife. He wanted people
Speaker 1: to celebrate BIG's birthday. What days, So he expressed that
Speaker 1: he said March ninth. He really didn't like people selling
Speaker 1: people do that. People feel like, let me say something, okay,
Speaker 1: because in the movie when you keep referring to the movie,
Speaker 1: you know that scene where and we saw it in
Speaker 1: the press when people saw the people celebrating. But to
Speaker 1: understand like how goold that was and on everything, like
Speaker 1: when you see Angelo basket and it was like when
Speaker 1: we rolled from mind You, it wasn't just in bookly
Speaker 1: we wrote from Frankie Campbell in the city do whatever area?
Speaker 1: What uh JFK, what is that east side thing? That?
Speaker 1: What's that ship? On the East Side. Is that the
Speaker 1: J afterr JFK after your you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: And it was Nigga's in every building was a project,
Speaker 1: whether it was an office building. They was in every window,
Speaker 1: like and look, you saw my answered the basket, Like
Speaker 1: I was in the car with Mrs Wallace. She really
Speaker 1: was sitting there. That's when she realized, I saw it myself.
Speaker 1: I was in the car with her, and I was
Speaker 1: so happy that in that sad moment see her realize
Speaker 1: how people fused with her son, like it was crazy.
Speaker 1: That ship was crazy. She you know, she don't know
Speaker 1: that she was at that time. She didn't realize that
Speaker 1: that was like, you know, I was in the car,
Speaker 1: I saw her life. Oh my god, you know we're good,
Speaker 1: Miss Wallace. She oh my god. Then you really loved
Speaker 1: like was hip hop, Like you know, she had no
Speaker 1: idea of just like how big he was to that
Speaker 1: extent because that just wants in her life. You know,
Speaker 1: she don't know nothing about the upbringing of what we
Speaker 1: came from though, so she was very oblivious to like
Speaker 1: she never knew he hustled, Like you know that scene
Speaker 1: in the movie where she was was baking soda and
Speaker 1: that was that's like, that's that really, she not knowing
Speaker 1: that was work. He came in and piste off, like,
Speaker 1: my mom just flushed down that's my week. You know,
Speaker 1: she just flushed down my work. And she didn't even
Speaker 1: know that. Like that's just how oblivious she was to
Speaker 1: that lifestyle of it. To her, that was just like
Speaker 1: her Chris, because he did all the ship she wanted
Speaker 1: her to do. He was smart, even schooling and all that,
Speaker 1: but you know, he did all a lot of extra ship.
Speaker 1: And to this day she she don't know about that ship,
Speaker 1: but she does now, right, But like I saw it,
Speaker 1: so was like so crazy. That was just a great feliniacy.
Speaker 1: So so um and this is probably the last question.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get too emotional with you. What
Speaker 1: you guys, and you get you guys gave me wait, wait,
Speaker 1: exactly what I wanted. But um, one thing that people
Speaker 1: ask me all the time is, you know, I was
Speaker 1: very close to Punt. Pun was my guy. God. People
Speaker 1: always asked me, they said, yo, do you realize how
Speaker 1: special Punt was from Pun was here? And almost eight
Speaker 1: times out of ten I said yeah, mm hmm, because
Speaker 1: I actually did did did I think he was a
Speaker 1: special as the people. Uh no, I'm sorry. But when
Speaker 1: he was alive, I knew who he was. Proba was
Speaker 1: special to me just as a listener and a creative person.
Speaker 1: So and you had a personal relationship. So I know that.
Speaker 1: But back to your question about was that related to
Speaker 1: beg But I know he was special. I knew he
Speaker 1: was special just because of the his spirit and how
Speaker 1: we connected. It wasn't so yeah, Okay, you know I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna not the first time we actually fucked. Okay, no, no,
Speaker 1: you want no, no, no, But I'm saying just that word.
Speaker 1: The first time we actually, you know, conflated things. I
Speaker 1: guess I didn't consate because that's like more of a
Speaker 1: serious marriage. But over it was this bad boy party
Speaker 1: on Father's Day. That's how I always come back when
Speaker 1: people say we got married the seven days, No, the
Speaker 1: funk we did. We met like at this photo shoot,
Speaker 1: which was like after Mother's Day, which was like May.
Speaker 1: It might have been even after China's first birthday, which
Speaker 1: was April. That's how I know. And then he saw
Speaker 1: my pictures at the photo shoot and he said, you're
Speaker 1: coming to the post party, and he had a Father's
Speaker 1: Day party, which is in June. Right, So that's how
Speaker 1: I know it was cold coming up to say. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you would. That's how I count on my ship.
Speaker 1: Like China isnt April Father's Day, he isn't made June.
Speaker 1: So he was looking at my pictures. But nonetheless, what
Speaker 1: the fund was that? Oh we had that party, he said,
Speaker 1: And after Big performed, I was in the nord. Everybody's like, Big,
Speaker 1: why you going? He was like, well he and he
Speaker 1: grabbed my hand and he went on with me that
Speaker 1: night and I sucked the ship out of him and
Speaker 1: we got Larry. But four months lefter you got that, right,
Speaker 1: that's it. Four week you see, I's gonna tell that
Speaker 1: the time. You can't sit here too. This is a
Speaker 1: very dangerous team place anything. Yeah, I swear the guard
Speaker 1: at legend. I feel like I'll be like, how fine?
Speaker 1: I talking to the closest in my life. So like
Speaker 1: I'm getting here, like it's so they start say it's
Speaker 1: hibout Derby, we gonna wake up to Bargo to morning
Speaker 1: when this sh come out. This is just get time.
Speaker 1: Let me add something to it. Do He sucked the
Speaker 1: shot out of me too, because you know I'm about
Speaker 1: to gather. Let me that was good. If Big would
Speaker 1: be here right now with position, will you be a
Speaker 1: hip hop if you're in a ship, Because Big was
Speaker 1: cool like that, like you know, you know, B I
Speaker 1: believe you know y'all. You know he didn't have no
Speaker 1: preference man money. He didn't give a funk out you sound.
Speaker 1: He was dope. He was dope. It's not like you
Speaker 1: street niggas, real niggas. You're here though, even with you,
Speaker 1: I seeing he he was go bigger do that, you know,
Speaker 1: like he was with a chance to wrapp in Chicago,
Speaker 1: right he would, Yeah, he was just he was. He
Speaker 1: was a hip hop that with him, Yeah, fun with him.
Speaker 1: He's like, all right, my nigga was something. It might
Speaker 1: not be his way for music, but B and I
Speaker 1: funk with him, come on with the smoke like he
Speaker 1: was that. That's why we like that. That's why I'm
Speaker 1: like that, you know. I mean, I like that. I
Speaker 1: embraced everybody Monday. You know, if I vibe to it,
Speaker 1: to it the music, I might not like. I might
Speaker 1: like you though I remember that it was cool. It
Speaker 1: was you don't be tripping these cool he smooth you know,
Speaker 1: it's because that's that's how we came up, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's just that that's the that's the vibe,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, we used to see niggas and
Speaker 1: you know we just rapp us. But I was fans
Speaker 1: of niggas too, you know what I mean. We see
Speaker 1: niggas like him, and then it's something I'm like, that's no.
Speaker 1: You can see all you know this because these niggs
Speaker 1: that look like you, they come from where I come from.
Speaker 1: I can recognize the kicks from when I see him
Speaker 1: like a nigga from where we from, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And that's how we that's how we vibe.
Speaker 1: And look at this ship, this ship the last twenty
Speaker 1: years strong, you know what I mean, like the new generation.
Speaker 1: You're questioning them from three years on. Damn, Like you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'll tell you the um um
Speaker 1: just different, crazy ship. UM. For me was to see
Speaker 1: the test of time and to see that years later,
Speaker 1: like you know, to see how important Big is and
Speaker 1: to see like these young kids who who you know,
Speaker 1: Big Big been going almost twenty years and and they
Speaker 1: don't you know, but I mean, you know, these these
Speaker 1: young kids they don't salute them and to see the
Speaker 1: world just jump on them. Like I love when like
Speaker 1: a artists say, oh, well big is overrating and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: a little nigga, you were not there. You're overrated. Now
Speaker 1: you're not even so that that ship bothers your lifeline.
Speaker 1: I guess different, nigga. We you know, we could think
Speaker 1: we want to think about this, but we you know,
Speaker 1: it's different. Like we just watched the d the Baker
Speaker 1: the other day. That's what I was about to say,
Speaker 1: my dude, Like I watched the whole crowd like just
Speaker 1: react to her records like so different, Like certain records
Speaker 1: came on and you see people get out of these
Speaker 1: seats and I'm just like, damn old is she Like
Speaker 1: she kept saying like flooded, but I'm like, and you
Speaker 1: just don't. She was just like putting the mic out
Speaker 1: just like the same, like that's the whole song. And
Speaker 1: she started over saying how long this new generation that
Speaker 1: like like old people gonna be in there like a
Speaker 1: long time ago? Why you you you know what I'm
Speaker 1: trumping you got explaining, Yeah, that's that's rough. Let me
Speaker 1: just say something. You know, it's rough. It's rough. Come
Speaker 1: on of my life. Let me just tell you something.
Speaker 1: Six years of my life, six years straight, from October
Speaker 1: to March. I had to be in Europe. Right, most
Speaker 1: people say, you're you fucking idiot. Europe is fantastic, right,
Speaker 1: will get that double money. But when you're forced to
Speaker 1: be there, you don't want to be there. So you
Speaker 1: gotta be with with in France for Pepper the pew,
Speaker 1: it's very rough. Listening is smoking, cracking the elevator. He's saying,
Speaker 1: crack ship you go, My god, damnit? He who listen
Speaker 1: when you don't want to be somewhere, torture you? You
Speaker 1: you you. Let's let's name a place in your your life. Right,
Speaker 1: let's say the Hampton's fantastic place. You know a white
Speaker 1: guy there named Fred. Right, let's right, Fred is fantastic. Right.
Speaker 1: Fred is a great guy. Fred is a great guy.
Speaker 1: He likes by it works before the fourth He's a
Speaker 1: good Fred is the guy. But now now you don't
Speaker 1: want to be with Fred. You want to be home,
Speaker 1: You really want to be home. But now Fred is
Speaker 1: the most, He's the most. Would you like this? I
Speaker 1: got this and you love Fred? But Fred, I want
Speaker 1: to go home Fred is the most annoying nig in
Speaker 1: the world because you have to be there to pay
Speaker 1: your bills. So a lot of people don't understand that's torture.
Speaker 1: Like my wife. My wife taught me Paris and I
Speaker 1: used to go to Paris and like, what the funk
Speaker 1: am I here for? I don't want to be by
Speaker 1: Eiffel Tower? What is the Eiffel Tower? That ship is
Speaker 1: all I don't even know who doesn't make sense to
Speaker 1: a nigga. I just want bread. But then my wife
Speaker 1: she comes out there, She's like, look Theiffel Tower. I'm like,
Speaker 1: yeahn be honest. She taught me culture. But other than that,
Speaker 1: he wasn't that. That ship was like corny to us.
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, I'm going to the beach, and before
Speaker 1: you you're going going to the beach, funk out didn't
Speaker 1: Let's be honest. The block Let's rip club was trashed
Speaker 1: to us. In New York. We didn't do if you
Speaker 1: went to the strip club, you strip clubs, And we
Speaker 1: didn't have having the New York in the day. No, no,
Speaker 1: we didn't have nothing. We didn't have that. Imagine Big
Speaker 1: j and Pup has strip clubs back in the day
Speaker 1: yet about that. You magine the nineties were strip clubs.
Speaker 1: It wasn't. You had to go to Miami like you
Speaker 1: had stub Culturemaic City like those ships. Right now, show girls,
Speaker 1: we just patly get a strip clu. Let me say something.
Speaker 1: He took me to your strip club. It's called show girls.
Speaker 1: I've never seen so much bullet holes, like so many
Speaker 1: bullet holes. Bullet holes they didn't Yeah, they got the
Speaker 1: bitches got shot and Sunny d walked in there. He
Speaker 1: spent eighty dollars and he was the man. This sunny
Speaker 1: think that's the sunny thing. He but four models eight hours.
Speaker 1: I said, what the funk? Where are we at? Hangout?
Speaker 1: Sputt like that and be cool, man yourself food two
Speaker 1: bullet in it, I can have it. It's cool ticket
Speaker 1: you know, it's write me, adopt me. It's called n
Speaker 1: let it or not there you just got. It's like
Speaker 1: the kindle hood. Do you think you're not gonna get shot?
Speaker 1: But listen, you get stabbed and then the shot, but
Speaker 1: it coming later. I don't think a stab you when
Speaker 1: it's then there's as a Cuban nigger that comes last,
Speaker 1: like yeah, I got I got thrown in isn't American?
Speaker 1: Or who me? You know, I'm Porter Macann. I'm very offensive.
Speaker 1: So sorry, you're gonna like, yeah, that nigga is that
Speaker 1: nigga is green, that niggas is funny. That never makes
Speaker 1: sen Oh he's my guy. Normal, I got you. I'll point,
Speaker 1: I'll pull your ship. Yeah really no, let's still listen.
Speaker 1: Man's let's look at the schedule. This is a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: It's no schedule. That's that's exactly is thattly what you
Speaker 1: gotta do. See, you gotta be. You gotta scene because
Speaker 1: you cripple you crimple big bang that you said since
Speaker 1: little seeds crippled me since that day you you don't
Speaker 1: really have a lot of props in hip hop. You
Speaker 1: just gotta he was gonna stay you crippled, big paper.
Speaker 1: How did this happen? He was not supposed to be
Speaker 1: the driving. They didn't drive. But he was fourteen years old,
Speaker 1: no six, I was six. Probably they never drove. That's
Speaker 1: why he didn't drive. I didn't do that really wrong though.
Speaker 1: It was just a drive every now and then I
Speaker 1: drive the publix. I should say sandwiches are amazing. The
Speaker 1: sub no I lived in Atlanta for like six years
Speaker 1: year ship. So I got to waters in Miami. Pop.
Speaker 1: I know about it from Atlanta. It's fantastic, it's amazing,
Speaker 1: it's amazing, wings cool, but I like convenge yourself. It
Speaker 1: sounds like a French restaurant. I don't like islands all
Speaker 1: the things, but this very hispanic of you to have
Speaker 1: more black than Italian. Are you black Anton, That's what
Speaker 1: I heard. I never mean we're not. We're not going
Speaker 1: to stay until the bottoms ball. That's why the funk
Speaker 1: we're here. What do you mean I'm sucking on? Take
Speaker 1: care my birthday? That's something, that's that's something. Um, Happy birthday,
Speaker 1: Happy birthday. Let's let's show that we can read your
Speaker 1: nationalities here and start off what uh the regular ship,
Speaker 1: Happy birthday to happy days, the one Happy birthday, Happy birdday,
Speaker 1: you too, you gay us for the last one day.
Speaker 1: Now let's let's take it to dn cob yon your face,
Speaker 1: then go be lyon your f then go be by,
Speaker 1: go be released like happy than black too. Goddamnit, Happy
Speaker 1: birdcade too, happy day? Happy to say do suding So
Speaker 1: it was a don't do the creole versions born. He
Speaker 1: seems it when he goes to public, that's great, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's not sex. If you're a man is sexting, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. If he cute to you and
Speaker 1: you love him and he's singing, that'ship to you as
Speaker 1: a woman like yoh my nigga yo, depressive mother. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that way about. I'm all in. It's like,
Speaker 1: but that was real nice of you, Like, actually, thank
Speaker 1: you because we don't know what language that was itch
Speaker 1: creo French creo. Yeah, okay, that's what you can't tell
Speaker 1: a fair one, you know, that's a scrench nothing. Nothing
Speaker 1: like right now all the time. You know, you have
Speaker 1: to learn the spot about just not the one time
Speaker 1: you will have me on me. I would break it
Speaker 1: down for you all about how I'm an asking person.
Speaker 1: This first is my favorite. Oh my god, yes, ship
Speaker 1: with the Mexican rest. I'm a little science jacks. So
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like we covered everything you're doing. Friends. Now,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you one more time. Was there
Speaker 1: anything you could do over? What would you do if
Speaker 1: you could? If I could, I don't know, I mean
Speaker 1: maybe I would shoot shut na um. Well, if I
Speaker 1: could do something over again? What would I do Damn,
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a hard question to put into
Speaker 1: one answer. You know, it's like I would do this,
Speaker 1: and then I would do that. You know, I can't
Speaker 1: single without to one thing. If it's one thing I
Speaker 1: would do different, it would be fair to say that
Speaker 1: I would um have been more aware in the beginning
Speaker 1: of my career instead of thinking about my like thinking
Speaker 1: off of my emotional coolness and you know, just me.
Speaker 1: But I don't regret it, though, So I can't even
Speaker 1: say that. I can't say that because I don't regret like,
Speaker 1: oh shoot, I gotta shipped on for this, but I
Speaker 1: was cool with that, and you know, I'm not mad
Speaker 1: at the the step that is that my personality has
Speaker 1: fucker numbers of sales and you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not mad. So I can't say that I would
Speaker 1: do anything over because if I could, it's really a
Speaker 1: big question. You fucking can't How about that ship? Your
Speaker 1: motherfucking can you chance to do it all over? Everything?
Speaker 1: I mean, but if I had a chance to do
Speaker 1: it all over, the ship would have presented itself differently
Speaker 1: anyway you feel me. It's like, bitch, you could do
Speaker 1: this again. So what would you do if you could?
Speaker 1: I couldn't. That ain't how life presents itself. And you know,
Speaker 1: I know I've always you know, even though in hindsight
Speaker 1: things was like, damn, that didn't work out right because
Speaker 1: you didn't look at this. But I've always came from
Speaker 1: the right place. And when I do believe, when you're
Speaker 1: coming from the right place, you can't go wrong, whether
Speaker 1: someone takes it the right way, whether it ends up
Speaker 1: the right way. But in my spirit, in my heart,
Speaker 1: and in my relationship with God, I can't feel wrong
Speaker 1: about ship that I know. I wasn't coming from a
Speaker 1: bad place. You feel me, And I'm cool with that.
Speaker 1: I called the bed at eight o'clock and I feel
Speaker 1: great about that ship. Tell him one time this thing
Speaker 1: was at my house for Thanksgiving. My phone went off
Speaker 1: at seven five, almost time to go to bed. Come
Speaker 1: to your phone, like Sherry, time to go to sleep.
Speaker 1: I was like, seven, we call it, Brandy, this is
Speaker 1: a right there. She's like, what time is way back
Speaker 1: sho tripping man me. I'm like, al wants some other
Speaker 1: ship right now, But I really go to bed eight thirty,
Speaker 1: wake up at four o'clock, go work, out, get my
Speaker 1: son up at six, you know what I mean? My
Speaker 1: ship is real scheduled. That's why. That's why I'm fun
Speaker 1: with it like that, like you know, it's a that's
Speaker 1: all ship. Like we get up and she's like, y'all,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be my birthday here, get a flight, nig.
Speaker 1: It was like she was like a five real quick,
Speaker 1: who you going out there with? Dolo? I'm like, just
Speaker 1: see what I can do, okay, And that's like I'm often,
Speaker 1: you know, granny being the bed. It's a birthday, so
Speaker 1: she wanted to hang. I'm like, you out for two weeks.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I'm gonna use the bathroom and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take that like a picture. I wanna take
Speaker 1: a shot. I wanta take a shot. I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: a shot. I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving. I'm just
Speaker 1: going I'm just going. Let me tell y'all something. This
Speaker 1: is the first time we had a female who came
Speaker 1: drank and smoke because any accents. Amber amble amber a
Speaker 1: sister Um came only drink right, Trina came only drink
Speaker 1: amber Um, Angelie came only drink Check the footage. I
Speaker 1: didn't remember that super super c Keep drinking, keep drinking, drink,
Speaker 1: and because you gotta drink, smoke drinking, she drinks smoke.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, where is my Instagram? No don't go, No, no,
Speaker 1: don't go, don't please please please come on. So we're
Speaker 1: supposed to thank you so much. We're gonna, no little sees.
Speaker 1: This is third time Jenny Kiss been on here, nineteen
Speaker 1: hundred times. I'm the best. And let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: Anytime you want to promote anything, anytime you want to
Speaker 1: talk about anything, you time you'll get anything off your chance,
Speaker 1: this is you. Listen. No, that's your whole So I
Speaker 1: just got something to say. It's your home. You can
Speaker 1: always come here because it's the first time artist is
Speaker 1: running artists media, Thank you, Thank you all for having me. No,
Speaker 1: we're gonna it's an honor. Take a bit.