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Speaker 1: I've been many a time to watch the forty nine

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Speaker 1: trade is in. Nothing has changed except people standing there,

425
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Speaker 1: and it's added a huge I would just say curveball

426
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Speaker 1: and an infusion of energy that wasn't there. And I'm

427
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Speaker 1: sure I said this at the time, and I'm sure

428
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 1: I would have thought this like, this is kind of

429
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 1: a stupid idea. Sometimes stupid ideas are the best ones.

430
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Speaker 1: Because this one has been a pretty seamless transition into

431
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,959
Speaker 1: just an explosion for some of these cities. And then

432
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 1: the economic data comes out about the restaurants and the hotels.

433
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 1: It's been a home run. And last but not least,

434
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Speaker 1: the NFL is sniffing around the idea of playing a

435
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Speaker 1: football game in Australia. And when I was like twelve

436
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: years old, I was in sixth grade, I went with

437
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Speaker 1: my dad to New Zealand. He was actually already there.

438
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: I flew by my at twelve years old. Times are

439
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: a little different in the nineties, pretty easy like that

440
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: would probably never happen these days, but I flew by

441
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: myself to New Zealand and I was there for probably

442
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: I don't even know, ten days with them fly Fish

443
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: went to see different sites, went on a whale tour,

444
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 1: went to where bungee jumping originated. Place is badass. I

445
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: need to get back. But the flight was very, very long.

446
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: It was a long trip. And logistically, when you go

447
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: to you know, play a game in London or the UK,

448
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: if you take Jacksonville or New York or Pittsburgh or

449
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: New England or the Eagles, it's not that long of

450
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Speaker 1: a flight. Given where you're going. You're talking four hours

451
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: forty five minutes to six hour flight. Well, if Tampa

452
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 1: plays Seattle, what do you think that flight is? So

453
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: it's very similar to some of the longer NFL flights.

454
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Speaker 1: If you go to Australia, like that's pretty crazy. Now,

455
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: I do think it would be really cool and it

456
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense in theory to play a

457
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: game in Australia. I think it would pop. Those people

458
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: love sports, even though NFL football is clearly not top

459
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: on the list of the sports they support. It would

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00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: be a home run. It would one hundred percent work.

461
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 1: But I know this all thirty two teams would not

462
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Speaker 1: want that trip because of the amount of time in

463
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Speaker 1: the plane, the amount of time home. Even if they

464
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Speaker 1: build it around a bye week or off the Thursday

465
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 1: night game or however it's gonna work, teams would want

466
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: no part of that. And I think if you're the

467
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Speaker 1: road team playing in the UK, it's not even that

468
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 1: big a deal. It really isn't. I think Australia is

469
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Speaker 1: a different animal. I really do now. I haven't looked

470
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Speaker 1: on the flight from Philly and Green Bay to Brazil.

471
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Speaker 1: Never been to Brazil. Always wanted to looks incredible Rio

472
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Speaker 1: de Janeiro. But and that's if I had the guess

473
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: it's probably longer than five hours. Could be wrong, maybe

474
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: it's shorter, but Australia is really really far. So it'll

475
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Speaker 1: be interesting to push back by some of the teams,

476
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: but they what we've learned over the years, the players,

477
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 1: the coaches, the gms, the league office does not care

478
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 1: at all what you think. And ultimately the owners just

479
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: want to do whatever it takes to make more money

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00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: and to grow the sport. So if they can find

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Speaker 1: a place and they think it'll work, it'll happen. And

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Speaker 1: I would imagine if it is a success. They'll do

483
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Speaker 1: it every single year. So buckle up, teams, get ready

484
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Speaker 1: for your fifteen hour flight because we're not doing a

485
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Speaker 1: podcast on Friday. I did want to do a quick

486
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Speaker 1: Fugazi Friday. When I bought the house that I live

487
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Speaker 1: in now, came with a pool, because a lot of

488
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Speaker 1: houses in Arizona come with a pool. It's one hundred

489
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Speaker 1: and fifteen degrees for three months of the year. Actually

490
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: been a pretty mild spring early summer. I think the

491
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: hottest has been is like ninety four degrees. But like

492
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: most pools, you get a pool cleaner. Right. I'm not

493
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: talking about the guy that comes to measure the chemicals,

494
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: but the guy that owned the place before had one

495
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 1: of those long poles with the pool sweeper on it,

496
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: which I've actually gained an appreciation for just getting outside

497
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: doing a little pool sweeping and then throwing the stuff

498
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Speaker 1: over the fence because I kind of lived behind a wash.

499
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Speaker 1: Here's the problem when you live in an area where

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Speaker 1: there are trees, and you have your own trees in

501
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: the backyard and it can be kind of windy. The

502
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: other day, I was using that pool sweeper and I

503
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: was like, God, I've picked up everything and I look

504
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: down and the pool was still covered with crap. It's like,

505
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: this doesn't work. So what I did. The pool sweeper

506
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: is an outdated item. I went on Amazon and I

507
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: ordered basically an electronic top of the pool sweeper, and

508
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: it's incredible. I can control it on my phone and

509
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: it picks up everything and then if more things come,

510
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: it keeps going and cleans it up. Now I'm going

511
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: to miss standing out there, maybe taking my shirt off,

512
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: catching some rays and walking around the pool, putting in

513
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: some air pods and just getting getting a little fresh air.

514
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: But it didn't work. It doesn't work because you can't

515
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: keep up with the wind and the leaves. It's impossible.

516
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 1: The wind and the leaves just keep coming, bugs keep

517
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: hitting it. You're like, I could do this twenty four

518
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: hours a day and I still wouldn't be able to

519
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,479
Speaker 1: get And I also think a lot of the stuff

520
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: is like a couple within a foot below the water surface,

521
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: so it comes up as you're doing the sweeping. These

522
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: electronic sweepers. I now have an electronic pool cleaner that

523
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: cleans the bottom and the walls, all run on my phone,

524
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: and then this new one that sweeps the top. So

525
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: We all talk a lot of shit about technology. It

526
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: can drive us nuts sometime, but it also has made

527
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: life in the world much more efficient because some of

528
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: the stuff really really works. Okay, let's bang out some

529
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: Middlecoff mailbags at John Middlecoff Instagram DMS wide freaking open

530
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: firing them. Like Jacob did get your question answer on

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Speaker 1: the show. Appreciate the kind of words. My question is

532
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: about the Bengals. Besides Burrows staying healthy, what needs to

533
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: happen for the Bengals to have a deep playoff run

534
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: like twenty one and twenty two. Looking forward to hearing

535
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Speaker 1: your opinions. Also, how do you think the AFC North

536
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: is gonna end up one through four? Who day, all

537
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: day every day, especially on Sunday. Who they think gonna

538
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: beat them Bengals? Uh? One thing that team had, going

539
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: back to the team that beat the Chiefs, that was

540
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Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl and had a lead in the

541
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, to the team that went toe to toe

542
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: with the Chiefs and beat the crap out of the Bills,

543
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: there was a toughness to your guys squad, and lou

544
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: An Arumo, your defensive coordinator, has obviously been really, really good.

545
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: The culture there led by Burrow and obviously the coach

546
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor. Like you guys got just high level, tough guys,

547
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: but you know the run game and being I got

548
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: to I don't even have your depth chart up. Obviously,

549
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: is Joe Mixon's on the on the Texans now, if

550
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: memory serves me, correct, Joe Mixon on the Texans. That

551
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: sound right. It's hard to keep up with all the

552
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: little auxiliary moves though, I mean, Joe Mixon once upon

553
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: a time was a high end player. I think there's

554
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: a physicality to the run game that translates in the

555
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Speaker 1: AFC in the playoffs because you can light up the

556
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: scoreboard thirty five to forty points when Burrow's healthy with

557
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: Chase and Higgins. But to me, running the ball and

558
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: playing defense now you play and arguably the most physical division.

559
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: So like doing think about doing one through four in

560
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: that division right now. Well, you had three playoff teams

561
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: and the Browns won eleven, the Ravens they went fourteen.

562
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they won fourteen. They were the one seed.

563
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: The Steelers won nine and were right there and nine

564
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: or ten, getting my numbers mixed up, Pretty sure they

565
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: were nine and eight and obviously you guys hit the

566
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Speaker 1: skids a little bit with the Borough injuries. But Jake

567
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: Browning Sacramento native, who I think I forgot his name

568
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: like within the last month. I apologize to Jake because

569
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: I was actually watching some of Brian Callahan's interview with

570
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: Compton and Lwan and he was like, I don't know

571
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: if I've ever seen a guy improve so much. He's like,

572
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: we just signed him as a practice squad guy. Three

573
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: and a half years later, he was playing pretty high

574
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: level football. And I agree because I root for Pac

575
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: twelve schools when they're good. So when Jake was at

576
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: Washington and Chris Peterson the Boise State coach, I was

577
00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: rooting for that team. I just didn't think he was

578
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: that good. But the guy that we saw last year

579
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: was like a legitimate backup quarterback. So one thing the Bengals,

580
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: even when everyone and Carson Palmer went through it like

581
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: calling him cheap. And obviously Mike Brown's not slinging money

582
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: around like some of these billionaire owners, but I think

583
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: they've drafted pretty well over the last twenty years. They've

584
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: had a lot of good players top to bottom, and

585
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: some of those Marvin Lewis teams. Like if you put

586
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow on some of those Andy Dalton teams might

587
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: have won a couple Super Bowls. I just remember, and

588
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: I've told this story before, but being on the sideline

589
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: at an Eagles game and then when I was doing

590
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: stuff with the Raiders, the size of your defensive line

591
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: was huge. You guys have always had massive defensive linemen.

592
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: Your corners were sweet. I think pac Man was on

593
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: a couple of those teams, Burfett was. Your linebackers have

594
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: always been physical. You've always had enormous offensive linemen, going

595
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: back to Whitworth on Smith. You've had good guards and centers.

596
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: Your quarterback position, Burrows the best of the Carson Palmer

597
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton group. But receivers have always been sweet. AJ

598
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: Green who was a monster. There was like some argument

599
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: going on on the internet that AJ Green wasn't that

600
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: good or was overrated or underachieved. Like, hey, guys, j

601
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Speaker 1: Green was pretty dominant. Iffert, you guys have had really

602
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: really good teams. So I'd have to look at your

603
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: roster in depth. I mean, the Ravens they're going to

604
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: be depending on some young developmental players after losing some

605
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: guys in free agency, they got a new coordinator. You

606
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: know where I stand on Deshaun Watson. I don't think

607
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: he's very good anymore. Maybe it's the injuries, maybe it's

608
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: the messuses. I don't know, but he has not looked right.

609
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: And the Steelers, while they have a pretty solid team,

610
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: they've improved their offensive line, their quarterback positions more than

611
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Speaker 1: a question mark. So I think, to me, the goal,

612
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: if you're a a realistic goal goes if Joe Burrow

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Speaker 1: stays healthy, which is concerning because that injury, and we've

614
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: talked about the percentages and someone dm me, like I

615
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: am a medical professional, it's legit. It's just something to

616
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: keep an eye on as long if he's healthy the

617
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: whole time, no big deal. But the moment you hear

618
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: inflammation he's taking a day off, it scares you. It's

619
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: like Deshaun Watson taking a day off, Well, he just

620
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: had major shoulder surgery. Think it just keeps you nervous.

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Speaker 1: If Burro plays seventeen games, I think you guys have

622
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: a freaking, very very good chance to win the division,

623
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 1: which is huge in the AFC because hosting the game,

624
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Speaker 1: whether you're the Bills, whether you're the Chiefs, or whether

625
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: the Bengals are going on the road. I mean all

626
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: these stadiums, think about let's just pick tennis team for

627
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: the seven spots. Chiefs obviously a playoff team. Bill's obviously

628
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: a playoff team. Those road venues are I mean the

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Speaker 1: only team. Yeah, I guess you guys have beaten Buffalo

630
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: a Buffalo, But or was a game in Cincinnati? I

631
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Speaker 1: forget because that was the the more Hamlin game that

632
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: got canceled. I think was in Buffalo, wasn't Cincinnati? I

633
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: remember that was a Skip Bayless tweet. Remember it's like,

634
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: I know a guy almost died, but what about the

635
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: playoff implications? I know he's on the way to the hospital.

636
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 1: Hopefully they can resist statum. Hopefully he lives till tomorrow.

637
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: But how are we gonna figure out home field advantage?

638
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Speaker 1: That was an all timer? Uh, listen, guys, I'm not

639
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: trying to jump the shark here, just just thinking out loud. Uh,

640
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: that game was crazy. I vividly remember sitting at the

641
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: apartment I used to rent, and me and Mario just

642
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: like Show Shocked, making dinner. That was a quiet night

643
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: watching Buck and Aikman wanted to get your take on

644
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: which rookie first round quarterback has the best supporting cast

645
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: skilled players Day one, going one through five, because they

646
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: don't think Drake May and the Patriots have a fighting chance.

647
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: I would agree the Vikings, Jefferson, Addison, Hawkinson, Aaron Jones.

648
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: Hockinson did tear his knee, so I saw he had

649
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: some quotes the other day about he's coming back. He

650
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: feels good about the rehab. I don't think we can

651
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: just chock him up lock Week one Bears more Allan Doonze,

652
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift, Commanders McLaren Dotson, Ertz, Eckler. I don't know

653
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: if i'd throw Ertz in there at this point, but

654
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: I hear you Falcons, London Mooney, Pitt's Bijon, Broncos, Sutton Reynolds, Trotman,

655
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: Javonte Williams. Some of these guys are coming off injuries.

656
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: I think you also the skill positions. You also got

657
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: a factor in the offensive line because the only way

658
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: to throw it to guys get some protection. So the

659
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: Bears offensive line much improved over the last twelve months. Commanders,

660
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: I'd be lying if I had a great grasp on

661
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: their offensive line. The Falcons pretty good offensive line. The Broncos.

662
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: I mean they're starting mclinchy at right tackle, so they

663
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: can be a little hit or miss good in the

664
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 1: run game, past game. Glinch He's gonna be a problem.

665
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: I would say the Jefferson Addison combo and Aaron Jones,

666
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: that's pretty hard to beat. Keenan Allen, DJ Morris pretty

667
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: freaking good. So I think you're probably right on. I'd

668
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 1: go Vikings Bears. I think the Falcons. Is Kyle Pitts

669
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: any good? Like we know he's really talented and he

670
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 1: was a highly drafted player, but this is a massive year,

671
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: Like who is he? Is he just one of those

672
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: guys really famous from the draft status? Was he just

673
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: misused by the former coach? I don't know. I definitely

674
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: a very interesting year. Obviously. You know Terry McLaurin scary,

675
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: Terry's baller, So Austin Eckler. Eckler is an incredible player

676
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: for young quarterback. I mean it's it's like having in

677
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: the passing game Christian McCaffrey because of his ability to

678
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: catch the ball in the backfield. So to me, is

679
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: an underrated name on this list. Aaron Jones went healthy

680
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: is one of the best running backs in the league,

681
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: and he's a good pass catching running back. But Eckler's

682
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: a stud. So I think you got it right on

683
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: all these guys for the most part, Like you said,

684
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: get some pretty legit talented guys, they get to transition

685
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: right into pretty lucky rookies. Do you ever see Pete

686
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: Carroll coaching another team? N if so? Which one? I don't.

687
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: We saw how difficult it was for Belichick to get

688
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: a job. And Belichick is considered the best coach of

689
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 1: his generation for sure, and arguably the best coach ever

690
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 1: right up there, you know Lombardi Walsh. You know Andy's

691
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: now throwing his hat in the ring. But and you

692
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: could argue for in the peak of his powers, when

693
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 1: they were winning Super Bowls all the time, people talked

694
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: about him like the greatest coach any sport of all time.

695
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: And he got one interview last year. Let's be real

696
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: about this, is there's agism, right. I mean, they're just

697
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: if both those guys were sixty five years old, it'd

698
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: be a lock. But to me, Pete Carroll's seventy two.

699
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: Those guys are seventy two, seventy three years old. And

700
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: you know, Pete, the teams were pretty competitive. I mean

701
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: they were right in the playoff mis last year till

702
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: the end, and they made the playoffs the year before.

703
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: So on wins and loss wise, he's been much more

704
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: successful in the last two years than Bill. But I

705
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: do think Bill is much more likely to get a

706
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: job this cycle. I would never say never, but is

707
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: someone going to hire Pete Carroll? He's not cheap either,

708
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: So it's like I'm hiring a seventy three year old

709
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: who is a defensive guy. In his defensive stink. Say

710
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 1: what you want about Bill. It's like, hey, you get

711
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: Bill a solid quarterback. You know his defenses are gonna

712
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: be sweet. He's a defensive guy. He can handle the defense,

713
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: and he can handle the operation of the like you know,

714
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: Pete can handle the operation of the team. He's great

715
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: with players, but he's a defensive guy and his defensive suck.

716
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: Where you go, Bill, listen, we's got to be careful

717
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: about him picking the players. If he can inherit a quarterback,

718
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: we know he can make our defense good because he's

719
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: he's the greatest defensive coach we've ever seen. Pete and

720
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: Theory's one of the greatest defensive coaches we've ever seen,

721
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: but we've seen him in recent years like his defense sucks,

722
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: I mean terrible, So I think it's better for Bill.

723
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: It's like, yes, quarterback sucks, well, yeah, no shit, he

724
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: lost Tom Brady his own fault, and he chose Mac

725
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: Jones a backup. It's like, Okay, Pete actually figured out

726
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: the quarterback position. What's up with his defense? Isn't he,

727
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: you know, one of the defensive masterminds in the history

728
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: of football. So if I was if I were to

729
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: bet on it, I wouldn't put my life savings on it,

730
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: but I would say Pete Carroll's never a head coach

731
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Again, I wouldn't put that at one

732
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: hundred percent. I would feel pretty good around seventy five

733
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: eighty percent depends on the coach market next year. Let's

734
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: just look ahead the coach market. Obviously, Belichick's out there.

735
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: You know what, if the Steelers were to win eight games?

736
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: Could Tomlin be out there? Mike Vrabel is out there.

737
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: I think all those guys would get hired over Pete.

738
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson. You think eventually will be like, hey, you

739
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: know what, I'll take a I'll take fourteen million dollars.

740
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: It's cool playing with Jared Goff and making three or four,

741
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: but how about we four x that that that is

742
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: inevitable one of the Shanahan McVeigh guys is going to

743
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: have a big year. I would keep all eyes on

744
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: Bobby Slowick, the offensive coordinator for the Texans, who's a

745
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: Shanny guy. You know, if they have another big year,

746
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: he's one hundred gonna get a bunch of interviews. You know,

747
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: there's always a Kubiak O'Connell type out there. Not talking Gary,

748
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: I'm talking his kids. Ones with Kyle, the other just

749
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: went to New Orleans. I mean, if New Orleans had

750
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: a really good year offense of ten to eleven wins.

751
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: So it's just you kind of get past and I

752
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: think age is working against him. Obviously it works against

753
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: Bill too, But to me, Bill's a better candidate because

754
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: longer resume, longtime listener, first time DM or what are

755
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: your thoughts on what I believe will be eventually the

756
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: eventual Tua extension. I hate the Dolphins. Bill's fan, but

757
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: I do see the dilemma the Dolphins are in. Tua

758
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: is good enough to beat you, and he can consistently

759
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: keep you in the playoff hunt and possibly win the division.

760
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: I don't think you can say possibly right now, because

761
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 1: so far he is not. So I would say as

762
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: of this time, right now, he can't win the division

763
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 1: because the other guy in the division is Josh Allen,

764
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: your guy. However, there is a clear drop off late

765
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: in the season. Totally agree. So he's can't win the

766
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: division because of Josh Allen and he doesn't play well

767
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: in the cold. Well, he'd be like, well, we play

768
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: in my true. But let's let's pull up their old

769
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: schedule right now. See who they play in November and December,

770
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: the old Miami Dolphins. Let's go to ESPN dot com.

771
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: Let's go to NFL, and let's go to the old

772
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins. Okay, so in November they play the Bills

773
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: eleven three, so weather probably not too crazy by then,

774
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: but you'd never know. That's that's that's a game to

775
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: keep an eye on. But you know, decent chance it's

776
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: nothing crazy. They play at the Rams eleven to eleven,

777
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: no weather, Raiders at home, Patriots at home? Okay, good,

778
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: eleven twenty eight, which looks like Sunday night football at

779
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: a little place called Lamb bow Field. That's got weather potential,

780
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: big time at home at the Texans in a dome,

781
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: Niners at home final two games at the Browns, awful

782
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: weather game potential at the Jets, same thing. So he's

783
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: got basically to end the season three of his last

784
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: six games. Lambeau, Cleveland, New York said, all along, let's

785
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: just prove it. If he finally does it, wins the division,

786
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: shuts me up, plays well in the cold, we can't

787
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: say anything. How could you pay him fifty million dollars

788
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: without seeing another year? Are you just cool with paying

789
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars to be a wild card every year

790
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: and make the playoffs like John five years ago? Four

791
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 1: years ago they paid Dak forty million dollars to do that. Yeah,

792
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: he wins the division though, so he's getting me division

793
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: titles and home playoff games. If Toole was doing with

794
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: Dak was doing, I would I would acknowledge like I

795
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: get it, like I don't get it. Now I can't

796
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: say I get it because I do not get at

797
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: it if they're paying him. Shot out from Wyoming actually

798
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: went there when I was scouting and really kind of

799
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: enjoyed the town had an incredible steak dinner. I remember

800
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: I asked one of the dudes on the football staff,

801
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: what's your best steakhouse in Laramie, Wyoming where the university

802
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 1: is where Josh Allen played. He wasn't there then, and

803
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: they told me it was pretty empty because it was

804
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: like a Monday night or maybe a Sunday night during

805
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: the fall. I just remember eating an incredible meal at

806
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 1: the bar. On Tuesday's pod, you talked about wide receiver

807
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: one contract starting to reach insane guaranteed numbers. Is there

808
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: a world where we start to see more and more

809
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: top end wide receivers hit free agency due to their

810
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: asking price and to steal from Moneyball. As a response,

811
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: we'll see more teams trying to recreate wide receiver one

812
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: production in the cheap aggregate, or as the Scottie Scheffler

813
00:45:55,400 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: meme went, we can't duplicate Tiger individually, but we can

814
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: take him down in the aggregate. Rory divorce, Scottie arrest.

815
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that's where I think back to the

816
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: Ayuk situation. Ayuk wants all this money. He catches seventy

817
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: five balls a year. He's awesome player, but it's like

818
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: can't we just recreate that in the aggregate? Then what

819
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: does Kyle Shanahan do drafts a wide receiver in the

820
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: first round. I got Christian McAffrey. I'd rather just give

821
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: him a five million dollar raise. He's catching me seventy

822
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: eighty balls. So it gets I think, when you have

823
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: a bona fide, no doubt about it, all time great.

824
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: When you got Jamar Chase, when you got Justin Jefferson,

825
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: you write what Ceedee Lamb looked like last year. If

826
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: a guy can play like that, for like what Tyreek

827
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: Hill is, you ride that guy like a fucking horse

828
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: and you can pay him. But look at Davante. Davante

829
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: is an elite player. Davante pound four pound is one

830
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: of the best pure football players in the league. But

831
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:02,959
Speaker 1: the last couple of years he's been to a team

832
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: with the bad quarterback and they can't win. It's not

833
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 1: his fault, but he's dependent on the quarterback playing well.

834
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: So he's playing with Aden O'Connell when Carr was playing

835
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: bad and it was shitty, and so it's like, we're

836
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: paying all this guy money, and this is where it

837
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: gets tough. I pay a guy a lot of money

838
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna use the hell out of him and

839
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: if I have the quarterback, and even then the Chiefs

840
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: are like, yeah, we'll figure it out. In the aggregate,

841
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: it was ugly and everyone's like, oh, they're screwed, Like, no,

842
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: they're not. I think it just depends. I think we're

843
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: gonna learn a lot with Ayuk. You know, the Eagles

844
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: got Davante, they extended him, and DeVante is a really

845
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: good player, but he's not a top five wide receiver

846
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: in the league. It just depends how you look at it.

847
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: And I think the hard part is it's like, when

848
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: you have DeVante and your team, you love him because

849
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: he's high character, he's a leader, he works already, sets

850
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: the tone in practice. But like, let's face it, he

851
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 1: doesn't make that much sense on the Raiders. He just doesn't.

852
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: If you told me the Chiefs had traded for Devontae

853
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 1: Adams on the Packers or whatever, and he was playing

854
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: with Patrick Mahomes or the Chargers or whoever, he would

855
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: make a lot more sense on He just doesn't make

856
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: sense on that team. So I I guess it's a

857
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: long winded way of saying I don't know. I think

858
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: these teams end up paying that guy. I think it's

859
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: the fringe guy. That's why I think they're kind of

860
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: going through it with Ayuk like fringe one. You know,

861
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: he's probably he's better than a two, but he's not

862
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: a one. Because how many ones are there? Truly? How

863
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: many ones are there? Jamar Chase one, Justin Jefferson one,

864
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill one, Ceedee Lamb one, Davontae Adams won because

865
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: DK one, Damn good AJ probably a one when he's humming.

866
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: He is a one when he's humming, and he's on

867
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 1: the back end of the ones. Question for the mailback,

868
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: what are some things often not considered with regard to

869
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 1: contract extension negotiations. I assume the relationship with the agent

870
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: and his other clients has an impact. No, I mean,

871
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: I think that's a bigger deal in some of these

872
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: other sports. In the NFL, when you start talking with

873
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: these contracts of good players, you're talking a lot of money.

874
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: So I think it gets contentious because ultimately it's a

875
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: business deal. And if I'm a GM or i'm the

876
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: front office, my obligation is the best trying to sign

877
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: you for the least amount of money, because that's the

878
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: healthiest thing for my team and building the team. And

879
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: if you're the agent, you have one goal. You don't

880
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: give one shit about the salary cap. Unless you're Travis

881
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: Kelsey or Patrick Mahomes. You do everything humanly possible to

882
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 1: get the most money possible. I remember hearing stories when

883
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: I was in the NFL and Bill Pollyan and Tom

884
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: Condon used to have it out over Peyton Manning's contracts

885
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: and Bill polland there's like a famous in his office

886
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: where Bill Pollian's like, Tom, how am I supposed to

887
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: build a team? And Tom Condon's essentially like, I don't care.

888
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: It's not my problem. That's your job, like their job.

889
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: If you're representing a player, you're trying to get them

890
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: the most money possible because that's how you get paid, right,

891
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: Like ideally, if you're representing someone selling their house, if

892
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: it's on the market for one, if you knew you

893
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: could sell for two, you wouldn't give it to someone

894
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: for one to five, Like, it's not your problem who's

895
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: moving in, whether they like the house or not. Like

896
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: the team's their problem. Your job is to get the

897
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: player paid. So I think it's a lot less who

898
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: else is on the team, even the relationship, Like I

899
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: know how his relationship with agents is really good because

900
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: he needs them. It's just he has to negotiate with them,

901
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: so it's easier to be friends with them. But that

902
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: friendship only goes so far when you start talking money, right,

903
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: I don't care who we've all. I guess we all,

904
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: but anyone listening who's worked with friends, worked with family.

905
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: In theory, it sounds pretty easy. But in business, like

906
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: when money comes up, it gets very emotional, it gets

907
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 1: very contentious. Not everybody looks at money the same way.

908
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: And when aggressive people with money, which most agents are,

909
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: I think most of these conversations are pretty similar. When

910
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: a player has leverage, given he's a good player. When players,

911
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, like if you're a free agent on the street,

912
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: no one wants you. I'm trying to get you for

913
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: a couple million bucks, it's a different story. But like

914
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: these big, big deals, there's a lot of like, no

915
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: fucking way, we're not signing that, Like I bet the

916
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: IUK and John Lynch. There's a lot of going back

917
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: and forth, and there's a difference of like let's use

918
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: Bosa last year in the Niners, they knew the number

919
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: was gonna be huge. Niners are just trying to get

920
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 1: it as low as possible, but they know what they're

921
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: This one is like, no, we kind of have a

922
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: number guys, we based on your history, Like we don't

923
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: thirty eight an option. And I think there are certain

924
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: level of players where you like kind of draw line

925
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: this sand. Then there are guys like Mahomes or Josh Allen,

926
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: like what's the negotiation really to be had once you

927
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 1: kind of get in the ballpark? So I would imagine

928
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: gets pretty contentious. You know, I've talked to these guys

929
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: before the contract negotiators during free agency. It can be

930
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: late nights during training camp with holdout guys. I mean

931
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: you're just on the phone going back and forth, and

932
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: it's kind of the first person to blink. That's what

933
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: it is. Who's gonna blink first? That's what a lot

934
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: of these holdouts are gonna be, like, who's gonna blink first?

935
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: Zach Martin, He's like, I'm not gonna blink. Are you

936
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: guys gonna blink? Then they gave him a raise and

937
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: everyone blinked and Zach won. Cam Hayward right now, holding

938
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: out were the Steeler's gonna blink, or they just like, hey, man,

939
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: you're playing on I forget the exact number off the

940
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: top of my head. But let's say he wants I'm

941
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: just picking a number here. I think this number is wrong.

942
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: But let's say he makes twelve million dollars this year

943
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: and he wants eighteen SA like, am I gonna get

944
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: a six million dollar raise? And do they just like,

945
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: we're not giving you a raise? Are they serious about that?

946
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 1: Or will they end up giving him a four million

947
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: dollar rage instead of a seven million dollar raise? And

948
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: everyone's happy you got a raise, and everyone's good. And

949
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,919
Speaker 1: that's kind of a lot of back and forth. We're

950
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: talking a lot of money, but the people in the league,

951
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 1: the agents and the contract negotias and the gms are

952
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:51,959
Speaker 1: numb to money. Right If I said, people listening right now,

953
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: you're negotiating over a five hundred thousand dollars deal where

954
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: if you if you're in sales and you locked out

955
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: that deal, you would get five one hundred thousand dollars

956
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: cash the next day into your account. I would imagine

957
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: for most people, you would do everything humanly possible to

958
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: get that done. But if I told you you were

959
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: doing a fought that same deal for five hundred dollars,

960
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: you'd probably care less, right, So it's no different than this,

961
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 1: Like the big money deals, there's a lot more urgency

962
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: than like the little random players, the practice squad guys,

963
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: Like they're not gonna waste that much energy on those.

964
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: And I think it's crazy. But once you're in the

965
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: business long enough, you're just so numb to these numbers.

966
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: Like Howie Roseman's been started as a contract negotiator. He

967
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: has been doing these contracts for two decades, two plus decades.

968
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: Think how numb he is to signing fifty hundred million

969
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: dollar deals Like you just it's just you're just used

970
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: to seeing it. Most companies, if you sign a partnership

971
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: worth seven figures, I mean it's a huge deal in

972
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 1: the NFL, you just you just get used to the new,

973
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: bigger number and it's just all kind of funny money

974
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: because it's all coming from the TV rights. So yeah,

975
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: I think it's a long winded way of saying I

976
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 1: think there are some ugly conversations. I've heard a couple

977
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: of stories here and there about some pretty ugly conversations.

978
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 1: I mean, there have been articles written before on the

979
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: back and forth. The owners get involved too. That's the

980
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: other thing. Like whenever the owner gets involved and says

981
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: get it done or we're making this happen, then it

982
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: doesn't even matter. That's what happened with Sean Watson. Sean

983
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: Watson told the Browns like, I'm not coming. Then the

984
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 1: owner got involved and guaranteed them the whole contract, said,

985
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: I'm in Daniel Jones, Like, do you really like can

986
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: we give Joe Shane and Brian Dabole the benefit of doubt?

987
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: Like they like Daniel Jones, but they wanted to give

988
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: him forty plus million dollars a year after a breakout

989
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 1: fifteen touchdown season. But the owners like, make sure this happens.

990
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: I remember reading the article last year of them going

991
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: back and forth to Combine and coming to New Jersey

992
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: and I'm spending all the time. I was like, God,

993
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: that's a lot of fucking work for Daniel Jones. The

994
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 1: volume