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The Colin Coward Podcast 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: presented by the Fan Duel Sports Book. Hi, everybody, welcome 12 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: in Wednesday Morning Podcast. Before I get to Greg Olson, 13 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: the former Seahawk Fox broadcaster, let's talk some Seattle Seahawks 14 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: losing Russell Wilson of the Denver Broncos ownership matters. Paul 15 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: Allen passed away not long ago. He loved the Seahawks 16 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 1: and loved the NBA and the Portland Trailblazers under Paul 17 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: Allen's ownership were a viable playoff contender, got to a 18 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: Western Conference finals. The Seahawks got to a couple of 19 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: Super Bowls and were Owa's a playoff team. He passes 20 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: his sister, Jody Allen, takes over ownership. She does not 21 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: love sports, and in one year, the Seahawks get fleeced 22 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: by the Broncos, finishing fourth, and the Blazers are essentially 23 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: starting over ownership matters. Jody Allen allowed Pete Carroll, a 24 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: seventy year old defensive coach, to get too much juice, 25 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: too much control of the Seahawks, and they are paying 26 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: a price. You start looking around at these defensive coaches, 27 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: Vic Fangio, Mike Zimmer, Pete Carroll, Ron Rivera. They don't 28 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 1: see what's happening. They don't understand the importance of o 29 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: line play, elite offensive coordinators, quarterbacks. Pete Carroll is the 30 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: one that eventually signed off on this, not John Snyder. Okay, 31 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson wanted out, and Pete Carroll, who views himself 32 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: very highly, fired twice before Russell Wilson losing record in 33 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: Seattle before Russell Wilson signed off on this. And they 34 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: get a couple of firsts, a couple of seconds, some 35 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: decent players Shelby Harris, nice defensive lineman, not elite, no offense, 36 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: very nice, tight end case of the drops, but a 37 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: nice tight end. But Seattle has showed no indications over 38 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: the last six to seven years of being able to 39 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: draft well. In fact, there's an argument to be made 40 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: that Seattle drafts as poorly as anybody in the NFL 41 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: in the last half decade. Go look at their drafts. 42 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: Forget landing stars. They have struggled to land starters with 43 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: their first round picks. This is an organization that lost 44 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: a great owner, gave too much power to a coach. 45 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll is running the show. Signed off on the trade, 46 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: and I talked to a pair of NFL general managers today, 47 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: one in the AFC and one in the NFC. Both 48 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: said about the same thing. I thought Seattle would get 49 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: more so did I. If Seattle gets a third first 50 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: round pick and a quarterback who is at minimum a 51 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: bridge starter for a couple of years, maybe we feel differently. 52 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: Drew Locke is not only not a franchise quarterback, he's 53 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: not a bridge quarterback. He is inaccurate cockey has a 54 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: much greater opinion of himself than people around the league. 55 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: Denver has no problem letting go of strong armed Drew lock. 56 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: This was a slam dunk for the Broncos. The best 57 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: quarterback one every division last year, every division. You can 58 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: give up a lot of interior defensive linemen and nice 59 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: tight ends and first and second round picks. You give 60 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: up a Hall of fame quarterback. Russell Wilson's been in 61 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: this league ten years, nine playoffs, in the toughest division 62 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: in football. I'm not even sure what equal value is. 63 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: It is not Drew lock a tight end, an interior 64 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: defensive lineman, and four picks to a franchise in Seattle 65 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: which has drafted so poorly. You have to go back 66 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: to twenty fifteen, seven years ago to find the last 67 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: draft where they got two really good starters Frank Clark 68 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: and Lockett. You have to go back to twenty twelve, 69 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: ten years to find the last time they got two 70 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: stars in a draft, Bobby Wagner Russell Wilson, and they 71 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: just let Russell Wilson go. Here's something else that's not 72 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: being discussed. The Denver Bronchos are for sale. Russell Wilson 73 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: signing with Denver. Inarguably, this is something another general manager 74 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: told me today. Russell Wilson drives the price of the 75 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: Broncos up three hundred million dollars. This is what lebron 76 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: did in Cleveland. This is what Justin Herbert's done to 77 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: the Chargers. They're simply more valuable, not only going from 78 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,239 Speaker 1: San Diego to the LA Market, but from Philip Rivers 79 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: to Justin Herbert. Drives the price up. That's why the 80 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: Spano's family can move closer to LA and build a 81 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: massive practice facility, spend that kind of money. That's what 82 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: Sofi has done. That's what the LA Market's done, That's 83 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: what Justin Herbert's done. Russell Wilson massively drives up the 84 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: value of the Denver Broncos. Now many people would say, 85 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: oh wow, look, look this is a very tough division. 86 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: What did he just leave. He just left the toughest 87 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: division in the NFL, one in which he mostly dominated 88 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: it for the previous seven or eight nine years. Let's 89 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: talk Aaron Rodgers for a second, because I believe people 90 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: tell you what matters to them with their choices. So 91 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson told you it was about winning championships. He 92 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: simply didn't trust a defensive coach and a team that 93 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: couldn't draft consistently. To him, he was willing to go 94 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: into a very tough division and a new conference. Because 95 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: he feels and his agent feels, the GM's better in Denver. 96 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: The O lines better in Denver, the weapons are better 97 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: in Denver, and the defense is much better. He'll take 98 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: on Mahomes, Herbert and Derek Carr. Russell's about winning. Aaron Rodgers, 99 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: knowing he doesn't have an owner, knowing he doesn't have 100 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: a second wide receiver he can trust. We saw that 101 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: in the playoff game against the forty nine ers. Aaron 102 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: Rodgers wanted the money. Aaron Rodgers is probably now the 103 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: highest paid player in the NFL. That's fine, I'm okay 104 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: with it. But Aaron Rodgers told you what mattered. He 105 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: could have gone to Pittsburgh with a better defense. He 106 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: could have gone to Denver with better weapons, or Tennessee. 107 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: Aaron told you I want comfort and I want money. 108 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: And it should be noted it's an easier division. I'm 109 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: not saying it's a bad move, but Green Bay will 110 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: never ever ever be a top free agent destination. It 111 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: will never be a top destination for players. Don't kick yourself. 112 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: Obj von Miller happy to go to La. Matt Stafford 113 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: chose La. It matters, It absolutely matters. Green Bay will 114 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: never be that space. So Aaron Rodgers has been passive 115 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: aggressive in the last several years criticizing Green Bay. They 116 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: don't sign this guy, they don't sign that guy. Nothing changes, 117 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: they don't have an owner. They're not a top free 118 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: agent market. Aaron was about the money. Russell was about 119 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: competing against the best with better weapons, with a chance 120 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: to win a championship. Brady told you that for years. 121 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to hear about his supermodel wife. Brady 122 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: told you for years, it's about winning. I'll take less. 123 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: I want to go to a place I can win 124 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: more choices. Tell me what you care about. I do 125 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: want to briefly talk about the situation with Russell Westbrook 126 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: and the Lakers. Westbrook was very critical of people who 127 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: make fun of him and call him Russell Westbrook and listen, 128 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: there's nothing he can do about that. If fans want 129 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 1: to do it, if media wants to do it, there's 130 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: nothing you can do about it. Right, But Westbrook said 131 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: it's now wearing on his family, and I have sympathy 132 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: for him there, and I don't like fans who are 133 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: aggressive name calling inside of arenas. What somebody does on 134 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: social media. What the media does you can't control. You 135 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: don't see fans picking on Justin Herbert or Lamar Jackson, 136 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, Russell Wilson. They don't agitate, they don't attack 137 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: the media. They take responsibility, They fall on the sword. 138 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: They don't always have to be snarky and win the 139 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: press conference. But it should be noted with Russell Westbrook, 140 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: for eight to ten years in Oklahoma City, he agitated 141 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: the media at every turn. Nightly press conferences were defensive 142 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: and rigid, and he agitated and attacked the media that 143 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: often ask legitimate questions. So when Russell was at the 144 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,359 Speaker 1: height of his powers, he couldn't get along with teammates 145 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: like Kevin Durant, he couldn't get along with the media. 146 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: And now Russell's no longer at the height of his powers, 147 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: and he doesn't like that. The tables of leverage have 148 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: turned and the fans have a little power and the 149 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: media has a little power. If you look at athletes 150 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: in America who are picked on Baker Mayfield, Russell Westbrook, 151 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: do you think they are culpable at all? Hasn't Baker 152 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: Mayfield often been an agitator, not a lubricator wasn't Westbrook 153 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 1: constantly an agitator, not a lubricator. There's multiple videos on 154 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: YouTube Westbrook fighting with fans, often kids, sparring with media. 155 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: At the height of his power, he said, my best 156 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: friends of basketball. I don't care what fans think. 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You talked to 201 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: Russ in the last twenty four hours. He has a 202 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: no trade clause, Greg, almost nobody in the National Football 203 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: League does. There's seven players, He's one of them. My 204 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: guess is this is exactly where he wanted to go. Yeah, 205 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: this story doesn't come out unless Russ has waived that clause. 206 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: This story doesn't come out. This trade isn't pursued without 207 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: his blessing. And I think that's always been the arrangement 208 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: that he had with the team. I don't think I 209 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 1: think those stories of him going in with an ultimatum 210 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: like I want to be traded, I don't necessarily think 211 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: that was true, especially last year. I think there was 212 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: always an understanding that the team, if the opportunities were 213 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: ever presented and they were contacted by an organization or 214 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: franchise that piqued their interest, it was out of the 215 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: NFC obviously, not within the division. It was all those 216 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: people say separate. No one's obviously trading anyone like his 217 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: caliber within the division, let alone in the conference. But 218 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: I think when an AFC team like Denver called, I 219 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: think weeks ago they go to his agent and they say, hey, 220 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: would Russ entertain this, And I don't think they go 221 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: through the exercise of what it end up, you know, 222 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: what a trade would be like in this sense of, 223 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: you know, the back and forth and negotiation without his 224 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: blessing and without him being a part of it. So 225 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: I think weeks ago they reached out to him and said, hey, 226 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: we have this on the table. Can We're not saying 227 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: we'll do it, but could we continue to go through 228 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: the exercise of exploring it. I'm sure his team said yes, 229 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: and when the two sides came to an agreement that 230 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: both that both the teams wanted. They finally had to 231 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: go to Russ and say, hey, we need your final 232 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: blessing to announce this, to authorize it. Put pen to paper. 233 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: And I think Denver was always one of those teams 234 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: that intrigued him. Right. He wants to go somewhere with 235 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: a good team, a good roster, a good offensive weapons, 236 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: good on defense. Just hired an offensive head coach this 237 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: last hiring cycle with Hackett, So I think it checked 238 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: a lot of the boxes that he's looking for. He's 239 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: not looking to go to a rebuild these not looking 240 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: to go somewhere where he's got to start from scratch. 241 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: And I think they check all those boxes. Before Brady 242 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: went to Tampa, we said really good defense, young in 243 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: the secondary, excellent weapons, average oe line. The Denver Broncos 244 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: really good and young in the secondary, solid defense, great weapons, 245 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: pretty okay on the offensive line. I really do believe 246 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: this feels like Brady to Tampa. This team just needs 247 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: a quarterback a I mean, you did the Cowboy Bronco game, 248 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: Denver beat them down physically for three and a half hours. 249 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: You've seen this team live you've been in production meetings. 250 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: I don't think I'm overstating it. I think Denver just 251 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: needed a catalyst. Yeah, I don't think you're wrong at all. 252 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: I think there's a ton of similarities between that. I 253 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: think the key difference maybe with this situation versus Brady's 254 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: in Tampa is just that division's a lot stronger. I 255 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: think of division bradies competed in the last two years 256 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: versus now what Russell's gonna have to deal with it 257 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: out there in the ABC West with you know, with 258 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: the Chargers, and I mean that's a brutal division, top 259 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: tier quarterbacks across the board. I think that might think 260 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: a little change. But as far as young and dynamic 261 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: on offense, guys to throw the ball too good. On defense, obviously, 262 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: you know they lost von Miller, they don't have a 263 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: ton of pass rush. You know, that was always kind 264 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: of a little bit of a sticking point. Vic Fangio 265 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: had that defense playing at an all time level. That 266 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: week we saw him play against Dallas that you know, 267 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk coming out of that game. 268 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: You know, did that defense and I know Fangio is 269 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: not there anymore, but did that defense crack the code 270 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: of Kellen Moore in that Cowboys offense, and people said, no, 271 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: it was just one bad day. I mean they blew 272 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: the brakes off Dallas in Dallas, as you said, we 273 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: called that game, and we kind of saw teams steal 274 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: a little bit of that design. No, of course it's 275 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: a different staff, different coaches, but the same guys. That 276 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: defense has young talent. They're very good on the back end. 277 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: As you just stated, I think it's a very legitimate 278 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: comparison you're making. My only caveat would be playing in 279 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: that division. Those six games a year, that's a that's 280 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: a tough letting. So I talked to two NFL general 281 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 1: managers today. I said, then, I think Seattle, where they 282 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: did a good job, is not just to get picks 283 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: where they've often struggled drafting the last six or seven years. 284 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: They got some players and people go, oh noah Fan. 285 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 1: Both executives I talked to said, tough matchup can drop 286 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: a lot of footballs. Denver's got good pieces at tight 287 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: end behind him. They're okay, your thought as a former, 288 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: you know you're going to get a lot of Hall 289 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: of Fame votes at tight end. I like Fan, I 290 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: don't think the offense is going to now that the 291 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: backup kid they have from Missouri is like fant a 292 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: very vertical, almost basketball ish tight End. Your thoughts, Yeah, 293 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: I think you're spot on. When when we called the 294 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: game and we were going through the production meetings, you know, 295 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: we kept asking the staff, you know, the offensive coaches said, 296 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: you know what about Noah Fan. We get him going, 297 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: and they were complimentary. But there's a difference when a 298 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 1: staff is like complimentary and kind of going, hey, he's 299 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: a guy we like, you know, versus saying he's a 300 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: guy we're going to build around. This is a guy 301 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: we need to feature. This is a guy. So you 302 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: can kind of read through the tea leaves a little bit, 303 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: you can get a good vibe. I think they'd like 304 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: no a Fan. I think if he was still on 305 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: their team, they'd be happy. They'd find a way to 306 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: use them. But if when Seattle says, hey, you know what, 307 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: I don't know this was part, but you've got to 308 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: assume a part of the conversation was trying to get 309 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 1: some pieces on offense. Tight End's been one. They're gonna 310 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: lose Everett to free agency. Maybe they felt like that 311 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: was a piece that they could kind of leverage that negotiation. 312 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: If they want to bring Gerald Everett back, who just 313 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: signed a one year deal last year from the Rams, 314 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: maybe that was part of the equation if it keeps 315 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: his price down and doesn't let him so. I think 316 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: there's a lot behind it. But I don't think Denver 317 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: for one minute said, oh, we can't get rid of 318 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: no a fan if you know, to get Russell Wilson. 319 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: I don't think that was even in the conversation. They 320 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: got Drew lockout. You know, they got lock out of there, 321 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: not even a hesitation. So as far as right to me, 322 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: that pick is about the draft picks. I think the 323 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: few players that they got in return didn't really move 324 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: the needle very much really for either team. That's what 325 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: both GM's told me that the draft picks will be key. 326 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: The timing is interesting because it's not a great quarterback draft. 327 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: Seattle now has the nine pick. They could go get 328 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: Malik Willis or Kenny Pickett. Pickett's not to me a 329 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: dynamic playmaker, nor does he have a dynamic arm. Willis's 330 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: talked to another general manager today. They're like, listen, Willis 331 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: is really strong with a power arm. He is not 332 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: ready to play, But there's a lot there maybe Seattle. 333 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: You know, it's hard to go from Russell Wilson to 334 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: Drew Locke. The drop off is too substantial. The GM 335 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: and the coach will get crushed. But I do want 336 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: to address this. You were in that locker room. I'm 337 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: from the Pacific Northwest. I've been highly critical of Seattle's schemes. 338 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: I think it's an equated I think they run them 339 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: ball too much with a bunch of b backs and 340 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: an average offensive line. And I think it frustrated Russell 341 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: Wilson to have to be the playmaker with a little 342 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: bit of an antequated offense. It always fell on his 343 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: shoulders to make play. And I look around this league 344 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: and I look at you know, I look at Matt 345 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: Stafford with the Rams, and he had better weapons, he 346 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: had a better offensive line. You know, a guy wants 347 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: to be the man. He doesn't want to be the 348 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: only man. You were in that locker room. Is it 349 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: fair to say Seattle offensively was a little behind the calendar, 350 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: was a little behind the times. Yeah, I don't. Even 351 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: for my time there, I don't necessarily think it was 352 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: a personnel issue at all. I think we had a 353 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: lot of good players. Dwayne Brown was a good player. 354 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: We brought in Brandon Show, who was I think underrated 355 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: as a right tackle. He came in the same same 356 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: kind of free agent class with me from the Jets. 357 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: I thought he was I thought he was a good, 358 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: solid right tackle. They had some young guys inside they drafted. 359 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: The young kid played left gart Cole years ago m 360 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: de lou but off, you know, weapons wise, Chris Carson's 361 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: is stud I know he dealt with some injuries this year, 362 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: but that dude is a He is as impressive a 363 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: dude as I've ever played with. You know, obviously, DK 364 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: and Tyler Locker, that's a real combo. I never thought 365 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: they had a personnel issue for my time there. I 366 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: just felt like there was an ideological disconnect between what 367 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 1: do our best players do Russell, DK, Tyler, what are 368 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: we built to do offensively? And what are we being 369 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: allowed to do offensively? I mean, the conversations that I 370 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: would have with the coaches is we talked about scheme 371 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: and philosophy and again I was there a short time, 372 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 1: and the amount of pushback and the amount of questions 373 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: that I would get in return saying, you know, we're 374 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: not sure if we can do this. I'm not sure 375 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: if we can protect this this. And I'm sitting there saying, 376 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: I've seen this happen for over a decade in Carolina. 377 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: You guys have DK, and you have Tyler, and you 378 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,199 Speaker 1: have a good a franchise left tackle, and you have 379 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, who's at quarterback both mentally and physically can 380 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: handle anything. And I'd sit there scratch in my head. 381 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: It was like we were playing with a JV roster. 382 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: It was like we were playing with a rookie, undrafted quarterback. 383 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: Like it was very interesting to me. I just think 384 00:21:55,520 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 1: the ideology there was always defense first, kicking, game punk 385 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: the ball field position, forced turnovers, defensive lead, and then 386 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: they'd hand the ball to Russ at the end of 387 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: the game and say, go be magic. And I just 388 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: always thought it was a very interesting disconnect that I 389 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: never to this day had been able to wrap my 390 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: head around. I just think it was part of Russell's frustration. 391 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: I think it's why Russ said, I want to go 392 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: somewhere where this is going to be an offensive quarterback 393 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: driven team, not just in the media, not just as 394 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: the face of the franchise, but every Sunday with the 395 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: ball in my hand, like Aaron Rodgers, like the Stars Brady, 396 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 1: that team was gonna go how they went, and I 397 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: think Russell wants a taste of that. I'm assuming that's 398 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: why Denver's going out and making this pick. They're going 399 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: to hand the ball to him and say, hey, let's 400 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: build this system around what you're comfortable with. Let's do 401 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: what you're comfortable with. Lead us be that guy we 402 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: feel like we've been missing ever since Peyton Manning retired. 403 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what they swung for the fences. 404 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: I don't think it was a terrible trade. I don't 405 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: think they gave up too much to get them to 406 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: get a guy like that. I don't think they leveraged 407 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: the farm, and I don't think it could have been 408 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: a better match for both teams. You had probably multiple 409 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: high school quarterbacks, multiple college quarterbacks, and multiple NFL quarterbacks. 410 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: Russell is statistically and winning wise, the best you've ever 411 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: played with. What was the secret sauce? How many practices, 412 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,719 Speaker 1: how many meetings with Russell Greg before you went okay, 413 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: this is this is a little different. There's a little 414 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: more intense one, and I'll tell you it's a funny story. 415 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: So we were on like the brink of COVID. It 416 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: was just starting to be a thing. It was March 417 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty. I had just signed maybe a few 418 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: weeks earlier, end of February, middle end of February I 419 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: signed with Seattle. COVID was like just starting on the radar. 420 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: We had driven down to Florida for spring breaks. This 421 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: was like the second week of March. My kids were 422 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: off at school and I'm down there and he texts me. 423 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: He's like, hey, well, let's connect sometime this week and 424 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 1: start going over the playbook they had sent me like 425 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 1: an iPad with all the stuff. I was like, great, 426 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: let me know. When I just thought the two of 427 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: us were going to jump on a call, you know, 428 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: talk about for means, talk about different routes and just 429 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 1: kind of as a get to know each other kind 430 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: of conversation. Well, little did I know. I went up 431 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: to my hotel room and he had an entire his 432 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: Zoom set up in his office with a whiteboard. He 433 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: had half the screen with the playbook, like sharing his 434 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: screen half the board where he could write on it. 435 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: Talking through then he stepped back and he was taking 436 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: me through two minute signals in his office like it 437 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: was in the middle of the huddle. And I came 438 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: down after it was probably a good hour hour and 439 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: a half. Right, So my wife said, the pool with 440 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: the kids at spring break and I come down, She's like, 441 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: how was it? And I said, I've played with a 442 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: lot of really good guys, a lot of really talented 443 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: guys who did it right. I'm not sure if I've 444 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: ever been around what I just experienced, Like it was 445 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: a really really this is March, Colin, this is March. 446 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: It wasn't even we were a month away from OTA's, 447 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: two months away from OTA's, let alone, the season. It 448 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: didn't matter if it was March on a zoom call 449 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: during spring break or the day before the Sunday game 450 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: we played the r to end the season in the playoffs. 451 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: Every single day he was the exact same way. And 452 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: I think that's the greatest compliment that I could pay them. 453 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: The talent, the arm, the running, like that's easy. Everybody. 454 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,959 Speaker 1: Everybody can just see that with their own eyes. The 455 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: greatest compliment I can give them was it didn't matter 456 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: the significance of that individual session. He never let it 457 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: alter his approach, and I think that's like the best 458 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: way I could sum them up. You know, I'll let 459 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: me pivot to Green Bay. I'm not surprised Aaron stayed there. 460 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: It's a bad division right now. I mean three teams 461 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: arguably are we building. I mean Detroit and Chicago are 462 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: Minnesota may not be rebuilding, but they've regressed. They got 463 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: a new staff. It usually takes year two for a 464 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: new staff. So I can absolutely say Aaron's gonna win 465 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: the division. It's probably the safest bet for if you bet, 466 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: if you bet football, it's probably the safest future bet 467 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: in the league. Green Bay is gonna make the playoffs 468 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: and get a home field. The NFC, now that Brady 469 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: and are gone has been deluded, it's not as strong. 470 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: But here's my takeaway. The two problems that I think 471 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,959 Speaker 1: have frustrated Aaron Rodgers remain they have no owner, and 472 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 1: it's not a viable free agent market. Those haven't changed. 473 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: Are you surprised that he decided to sign up to 474 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: end his career probably with those two sticking points, who 475 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: he is acknowledged, at least passively aggressively things frustrate him. Yeah, 476 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: I'm not. I think when the news came out today, 477 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: I was joking with a couple of buddies on a 478 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: text chain. I'm like, I think that the mystery of 479 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: the last two years and the contemplating could I see 480 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: him a walking away? Could I see him going Yeah, 481 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: I don't think I would have been completely floored. But 482 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: then when the contract terms, whether they're accurate or not, 483 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 1: I know that's been debated when they came out. I 484 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,360 Speaker 1: just think when you look at the situation he has there, 485 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: the legacy he has there, the impact, the connection to 486 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: that community. The grass is not always greener, right, just 487 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: the thought of going elsewhere. That place is set up 488 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: to win. There's a few things all back up. There's 489 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: a few things that every franchise quarterback wants. They want 490 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: an offensive driven head coach. They want a system that 491 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: plays to their strengths, and they want to be surrounded 492 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: by great players, especially offensively. And when you look at 493 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: Green Bay, they check every single one of those boxes. 494 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: I mean, we had we had the Packers a lot 495 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: this year and we'd meet with the floor. You know, 496 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: here's a guy that came with a very significant offensive 497 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: background success, you know, had his way of doing things. 498 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: He was very clear that in the beginning of that marriage, 499 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: when they were both trying to feel each other out 500 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: the floor and Aaron, he conceded a lot of things. 501 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 1: He allowed Aaron to run things, especially in the passing game. 502 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: When you talk to Aaron, a lot of the concessions 503 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: he made was in some past protection schemes run game 504 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 1: that really opened Aaron's eyes. But passing wise, Lafleur made 505 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: a lot of concessions to keep Aaron comfortable, to keep 506 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: him engaged, to do things that were very familiar to him. 507 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: So when you start going down that list and then 508 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: you look elsewhere, strength of the conference, strength of the division, 509 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: offensive minded head coach, talented players, bringing Davante Adams back 510 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: on a franchise, franchise left tackle, two top tier running backs, 511 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 1: a couple of young offensive lineman in the interior. I 512 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: don't know where you're gonna get that. Right. When you 513 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 1: start going down the list, it's very hard to find 514 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: a camp that you could plug and play Aaron Rodgers 515 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: in maybe Tampa, right, Could Aaron go down the Tampa 516 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 1: and beat and just fill in for Brady. Yeah, I 517 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: think that's probably the most realistic comparison to his situation 518 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 1: in Green Bay. But No, to answer your question, I'm 519 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: not surprised. I think he's got a lot of ball 520 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: left in him. I think he's not happy how this 521 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: season ended. They underachieved. I had them as my NFC favorite. 522 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: I was shocked that they got beat as early as 523 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: they did. And No, I think he has a competitive 524 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: spirit to him that that was not how he wanted 525 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: this thing did. In the NBA, it's always been a 526 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: players league, and we understand it. There's only five starters. 527 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,479 Speaker 1: One or two players can have a tremendous impact on 528 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: the outcome of games. In the NFL, the shield for 529 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: most of my life was where the power was. It 530 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: was in the league, but the owners to keep their 531 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: quarterbacks healthy their top assets, have made the rules very 532 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: protective of quarterbacks and wide receivers, very pro offense. Every 533 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: NFC team that made the playoffs had an offensive coach 534 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: the best quarterback when every division last year, That's never 535 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: happened in my life. And as I watched Kyler, Murray, 536 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers have a lot of leverage. Arizona's trap. 537 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: They have to sign him. They were a three win 538 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: team last year, they're eleven win team right three before him. 539 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: And not that the NFL's becoming the NBA, but the 540 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: owners wanted more scoring, they wanted to protect their quarterbacks. 541 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: And now these quarterbacks, let's base it, they are NBA stars. 542 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's how my takeaway is. In my life, 543 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: I've never felt players in the NFL, even stars, have 544 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: a ton of leverage. We have watched three quarterbacks in 545 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: the last week say nah, no, no no, no, saying I'm 546 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: not happy. Yeah, it's very you noticed in this absolutely, 547 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you. I know this is going to 548 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: sound like an interesting connection point, but I don't think 549 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: it's a mystery that is this. Analytics And I know 550 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: analytics in football is kind of a taboo word right now. 551 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: People are conflicted. They think about Staley and the fourth 552 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: downtries and the fourth you know, the conversions and the 553 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: going for two. But when you look at what the 554 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: raw data says, forget the application on the field, when 555 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: you look at what the raw data says. Now, for 556 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: years that they've been tracking this, we've always known this 557 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: is a quarterback driven league. We've always known this is 558 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: a passing driven league. You know, EPA, the ability to 559 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: score points, the days of ground and pound and maintaining 560 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: time of possession and all that is gone. The data 561 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: doesn't support that ideology anymore. Now, some teams still adopt 562 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: to it, and there they play to their strengths and 563 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: you can win. But at the end of the day, 564 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: the dad is very clear. And I don't think it's 565 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: a mystery now why teams are even saying we can't 566 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: survive without a top tier quarterback. You can't. And I 567 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,719 Speaker 1: think we always knew it, but then you had, all 568 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: of a sudden, the Baltimore Ravens of the world winning 569 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl years back, and you know, we had 570 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Oh, you can win with defense. 571 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: You don't need a Hall of Fame quarterback. And people 572 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: are like, take a look over the last decade. You know, yeah, 573 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: Nick Foles won one. There's a few exceptions that are 574 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: but traditionally speaking, when you look at the teams that 575 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: are in the hunt every year, if you have a 576 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: top tier quarterback, you got a shot, and if you don't, 577 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: you don't really have a shot. In today's modern NFL, 578 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: it's a passing league, it's a quarterback driven league. And 579 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised to see quarterbacks now, over time continue 580 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: to consolidate that power that you're referencing. You know, I 581 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: think it changed over the last seven eight years, and 582 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: it's you're a perfect person to talk about this. For 583 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: most of my life because of the rules and the 584 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: ability to head hunt and hit, the middle of the 585 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: field was owned by defense. Over the last most of 586 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: your career eight to ten years, the rules have changed. 587 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: The middle of the field is now the offenses. When 588 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: I you can go fifteen years ago, Greg, there used 589 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: to be a term used in every broadcast alligator arms 590 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: like receivers had no maybe every team had a Michael 591 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: Irvin like, like an elite, bigger receiver. The other guys 592 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: get me out in the flat, get me at the sideline. 593 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: I'm not going over the middle and have Cecil sp 594 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: or John Lynch right. The league Now the offense owns 595 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: the middle of the field, and I so what does 596 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,719 Speaker 1: that mean. It means quarterbacks now don't have to depend 597 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,959 Speaker 1: on go route sideline routes just to hit big plays. 598 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: I think it's virtually impossible too. I mean, Joe Burrow 599 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: had a attle line. They were I mean it's almost 600 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: unheard of a battle line, and they went into the 601 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: fourth quarter of the chance to win the Super Bowl. 602 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: And I think you live through it when you give 603 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: a quarterback not only the sidelines, but the middle of 604 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: the field. You're you're sitting up there in the booth. 605 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: You're watching these quarterbacks dissect good defenses. Yeah, I mean, 606 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: and you know, and again the observation, right, the just 607 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: seeing it with your own eye and just making your 608 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: own perspective. And then when you just look at the 609 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: production these guys are being able to have both passing 610 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: yards receiving yards. Look what tight ends are doing. When 611 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: I first came in the league, if you had five 612 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: six hundred yards, you were a top ten production. You 613 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: were in the top ten. You know, you had the 614 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: Wittons in the Gonzaleses and the Gates that were like 615 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: a thousand, and then there was a bunch of guys 616 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: in that six to eight hundred range. Now, if you 617 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: don't crack a thousand yards, no one even really stops 618 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: to think about you. And that's just tight end. Now, 619 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: extrapolate that over the production in the passing game that 620 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: wide receivers have always had. But that's elevation now you're 621 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: looking at what these guys can do in the backfield. 622 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: The running backs and essence get most of their total yards, 623 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: at least the good ones as an extension of the 624 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: passing game to days of just lining up under center, 625 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: turning it around and handing it. Yes, Derrick Henry. There's 626 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: a few exceptions, but traditionally, speaking with running backs, they 627 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: don't even talk anymore about hand rushing attempts. They talk 628 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: about touches. How many touches can we get? Christian McCaffrey, 629 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: I don't need to turn around and handed to him 630 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: in an eight man box. I could put him in 631 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: the slot and throw it to him. That's an extension 632 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: of the run. Except now when he gets the ball 633 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: in his hands, he's got him beat two defenders on 634 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: the perimeter who weigh about the same. He doesn't have 635 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: to run through seven of them, four with their hand 636 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: on the ground that weigh three hundred pounds. Right, Just 637 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: the style of the game is very different. The rules 638 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 1: allow that to be the case. Quarterbacks continue to drive 639 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: the ball forward. They're the ones who continue to give 640 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: you a chance or not a chance to compete weekend 641 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: and week out. All of those factors thrown together. Teams, owners, 642 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: general managers, and coaches have never been more or reliant 643 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: on the quarterback position than they are today, So it's 644 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,240 Speaker 1: not a surprise to see, as you mentioned the Rogers 645 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: and the Russells and all these guys, if you're an 646 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: elite level quarterback, you are a rare commodity. Right now 647 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: in the NFL, there's a lot of teams scraping by 648 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 1: with middle of the road and below quarterbacks. They can 649 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: still make a playoff run here and there, but for 650 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: the most part, if you don't have a truly elite guy, 651 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: you're going in every year handcuffed. And if you have one, 652 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: you're really really desperate to hold onto him. And if 653 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,879 Speaker 1: you don't have one, you're willing to do it Denver did, 654 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: and that's really mortgage your future, or do what the 655 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: Rams did and win a Super Bowl by giving away 656 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: every first round pick. Teams are wising up the days 657 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: of being able to draft the guy and hope and 658 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: pray that he's a great franchise quarterback and takes you 659 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: to a Super Bowl. Maybe Joe Burrows that guy. Maybe 660 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: there's those days are tough. You gotta go out and 661 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: win now, because no one's given your coach five to 662 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: seven years to turn a program around. 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Download 672 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: the Favorite Sports Betting podcast only on the Volume Podcast Network. 673 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: I remember when you texted me and you were going 674 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: to choose Buffalo or Seattle, and I said, hey, no 675 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: state tax Russell Wilson, And now, by the way, now 676 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:45,280 Speaker 1: look at you. You are flourishing in this broadcasting space. 677 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: Is it as much? Is it harder than your thought 678 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: or easier? Is it more fun or less fun? How 679 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: has it been for you as a guy who's really 680 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: rising quickly in the broadcasting arena. I would say it's 681 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: as fun, if not more than I hated. I always 682 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 1: knew that I would like it. I don't know, so 683 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: it's funny. I never was able when I called the games. 684 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: It was a big story when I called the games 685 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: as a player, I was never allowed in the production meetings. 686 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 1: I was not allowed at the facilities. I was not 687 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: allowed on the calls with the head coach, the offensive coordinator, 688 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: the players. I was banned from that member Spielman in Minnesota. 689 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: I don't remember the story of it. Years back in 690 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, he made a big stink because we were 691 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: going to play them coming off our buy in Carolina. 692 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: It's not fair he's in our building. It was like 693 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: a weird gu blog over nothing. We ended up then 694 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: beating the Vikings. So their fans hated me at the 695 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,879 Speaker 1: time because they thought because I called their game three 696 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: weeks earlier on my bye week, that it's somehow at 697 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: an outcome. But anyway, that was a Fox rule that 698 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 1: was in my rule. I didn't feel comfortable being a 699 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,760 Speaker 1: part of that. This was the first time now calling 700 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: NFL games that I could be in the production meetings 701 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: and talk with Matt Lafloura and Aaron Rodgers and picked 702 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 1: the brains of these of Sean McVeagh and Scheme. We 703 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: had a forty five minute conversation with Bill Belichick and 704 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 1: I don't even know if we talked out the upcoming 705 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 1: game against I think at the time they were playing 706 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: Indianapolis or yeah, I think it was the Indianapolis game. 707 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: We talked about just coaching philosophy and how he've used 708 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: players and how he've used relationships and storytelling, and he 709 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: told me the story of you know how they almost 710 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 1: traded for me back when I was in Chicago, and like, 711 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 1: we just had a really cool conversation, like those are 712 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: the things I couldn't I couldn't really prepare for because 713 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 1: I had never done it before. That was probably the 714 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: highlight of the week and made the game with with 715 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,800 Speaker 1: with Burkhart on Sunday so fun and organic when we 716 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: could tell stories and share perspectives, Like I always knew 717 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,919 Speaker 1: that part I was going to enjoy. But the week 718 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,280 Speaker 1: of work and staying connected with the players and staying 719 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 1: connected with Scheme and trying to stay close to the game, 720 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that part of it. And just speaking 721 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: to all these coaches who I'd seen from AFAR and 722 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 1: never really had full length conversations with was a treat, 723 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 1: and you know, it's just someone who likes talking ball 724 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: and being in the mix. That was a really that 725 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: was probably the highlight of the experience as far as 726 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: the up and then the Sundays with the fun part. 727 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: I had a great team. Everybody around me was super 728 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: cool and just great to work with, and they really 729 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: cared about their craft. And as you know, if you 730 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 1: if you're surrounded by great people who care, everything else 731 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: is really easy. So yeah, I've really enjoyed it. You know, 732 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 1: we'll see how things go. Now there's a lot of 733 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,839 Speaker 1: moving pieces, as you know, there's a lot going on, 734 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,360 Speaker 1: and we'll see how the dust settles. But this is 735 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:22,919 Speaker 1: something that I think I can do for a long 736 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: time and it's something that I've really enjoyed. And it 737 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: seems like so far, you know, people have enjoyed, you know, 738 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: maybe my little different approach and different perspective. Hey, Fox 739 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: does the NFL really well, They really do. They really 740 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: deeply care about it. From production Burkhart, Kevin's probably as 741 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: good a human being as our industry has. He's probably 742 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: as good a human He really is, great sense of humor, 743 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 1: he can host, he can do play by play, He 744 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: could probably do stand up. He's just really funny and 745 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,839 Speaker 1: a really cool guy. So you also have a new 746 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: podcast called you Inc. Which doesn't surprise me. You've always 747 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: been a giver, not a taker. It's who we are. 748 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: I've known you for a long time and I've known 749 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,919 Speaker 1: your story and people who have played with you. Tell 750 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,879 Speaker 1: people what it is and where they can hear it. Yeah, 751 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: so this has been you know, to be joked that 752 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 1: we've been working on it for a year, but it's 753 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: really been my entire life. So I grew up. My 754 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: father was my high school football coach, public school outside 755 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 1: of New York City and North Jersey. Coached there for 756 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 1: over forty years. That was his life. We grew up 757 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: fans of his high school captains, you know, the star 758 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 1: quarterback Friday night games under the lights. We were the 759 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: water Boys. I had two brothers. We all went through 760 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: and played for my dad, and we all went off 761 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: and played Division one college football. My other two brothers 762 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 1: were quarterbacks. I was in the middle. I was the 763 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: middle child, played tight end and just now and then 764 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,359 Speaker 1: obviously throughout my career of being involved. Now I'm a dad, right, 765 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 1: I got three kids, my wife and I just landed 766 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: two hours ago. I spent the last five days in Houston, 767 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 1: Texas for a ten year old baseball tournament with my 768 00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 1: oldest son. We played seven games in three days, seven 769 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,799 Speaker 1: hundred plus teams of all ages from all over the country. Like, 770 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: this is something we've been living now for the last 771 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,320 Speaker 1: couple of years. And and the genesis of the story 772 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 1: of the show was there are times where my wife 773 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 1: and I sit around at night and we really go 774 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: back and forth about are we handling this the right way? 775 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 1: Like there are no rules to navigating youth sports for 776 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: anyone raising a young child in today's world, specialization the 777 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 1: mental health component, how far to push when's not enough? 778 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: How do you talk to your kid after he strikes 779 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: out to lose the game? Right, there's all these different components. 780 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: What something as stupid as what's the best best the 781 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 1: best bat I should buy my kid? Who's just there's 782 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 1: a million questions, And that hasn't always been the case. 783 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 1: Decisions never started this young. Decisions usually started when you said, 784 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 1: what college am I going to go to? That's but 785 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 1: that's not the case anymore. And I think so many 786 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,800 Speaker 1: other families from having conversations could relate to these struggles 787 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 1: relate to these conversations. So from just kicking around, I said, guys, 788 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 1: there's a show here where we go out and we 789 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: find these perspectives. We have these conversations with legacy family athletes. 790 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna speak with Cooper Manning, who's raising, you know, 791 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 1: one of the top the last decade, one of the 792 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: top high school football recruits, his son Arch. We're going 793 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 1: to speak to him. We spoke with Jerry Rice. We 794 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 1: have some really really unique perspectives of people who've lived 795 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: this and now also live it as a parent. And 796 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,880 Speaker 1: I just think if we can be that tool and 797 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 1: like take people on this really cool journey towards navigating this, 798 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 1: they can then make the best decisions that fit their family. 799 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: There's not a one size fits all. And you know, 800 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 1: we were able to partner with a really cool, you know, 801 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,359 Speaker 1: responsor right out of the gate within Visiligne, who kind 802 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,319 Speaker 1: of shared a very unique passion for youth sports that 803 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,439 Speaker 1: we did. So it was a very organic conversation and 804 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,879 Speaker 1: you know, a couple buddies of mine. We started audio Rama, 805 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,800 Speaker 1: which is kind of the host platform of this show, 806 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 1: and here we are, we're going to launch it. Our 807 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,800 Speaker 1: first two episodes actually drop tomorrow, and we hope people 808 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 1: kind of enjoy diving into this space because I think 809 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: it's a space that a lot of people can relate to, 810 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,839 Speaker 1: and a lot of people are saying, you know what, 811 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 1: I have the same question when I lay in bed 812 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,000 Speaker 1: at night. I'm glad someone else is trying to find 813 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: the best way to handle it, you know. And that's 814 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,920 Speaker 1: so far the response has been awesome. Yeah, Greg Olson, 815 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 1: isn't it crazy? Russell Wilson's a broad But what I 816 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,840 Speaker 1: was on a plane coming home from my kids game 817 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,839 Speaker 1: and my phone started going crazy. Burkhard actually texted me 818 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 1: and he goes, Russ just got traded to Denver. I 819 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:23,880 Speaker 1: was sitting in the airport in Houston. I was like, 820 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,760 Speaker 1: get out of here. Went on Twitter. Of course everything's breaking. 821 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:31,319 Speaker 1: Simultaneously I texted. I was like, whoa wild man? What 822 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,440 Speaker 1: I mean, what a weekend? I saw a fight breakout 823 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,480 Speaker 1: before my kid's game. How about that ten year old 824 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,840 Speaker 1: baseball team from Miami and a team from Houston playing 825 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,160 Speaker 1: it up? I mean, it was a crazy ending. They balked, 826 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: listen to this, so it's ten year old baseball, right? 827 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,279 Speaker 1: They balked the winning run home with like a base 828 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: running tactic at third base where the ten year old 829 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 1: kid on the mound sees the kid on third secondary 830 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 1: lead in the middle of his you know, in the 831 00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 1: middle of his motion, double clutches towards home play. The 832 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 1: entire stands and the coaches yell bag. Everyone goes nuts. 833 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,839 Speaker 1: The umpire awards them home. They storm the field, celebrating 834 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 1: the other storm field people come out of the dugout. 835 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,759 Speaker 1: The parents got to be separated or yeah, I mean 836 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,440 Speaker 1: it was wild, and then we have to take the 837 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 1: field right after that and play our game. I mean, 838 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 1: it's your sports is wild, man. I'll tell you it's 839 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,319 Speaker 1: a wild experience. It's not always appropriate, but but it's 840 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:25,879 Speaker 1: not as hell. Man, I'll tell you what to see 841 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,120 Speaker 1: your kid out there battling and man, there's nothing better. 842 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,080 Speaker 1: By the way, I bet you would be more nervous 843 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,359 Speaker 1: watching your kid in the bottom of the ninth than 844 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,359 Speaker 1: you would be with two minutes left than a Super Bowl. Colin, 845 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,880 Speaker 1: it's not even close. So so Monday, so that you 846 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,480 Speaker 1: play three pool play games to make the goal. You know, 847 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: the top championship brackets. So there was forty five teams 848 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 1: in the ten year old division, from all over the 849 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:53,000 Speaker 1: from all over California, Texas, Florida, We're from North Carolina, everywhere. 850 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,120 Speaker 1: We made the top six team. We were the number 851 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: two seed. We won the first game Sunday night. So 852 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 1: now you go to Monday morning. You gotta win to 853 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,239 Speaker 1: stay in it, so that you gotta win. You go 854 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 1: to the final four, you gotta win. You gotta win 855 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,759 Speaker 1: three games on Monday. So game one Monday, So the 856 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,800 Speaker 1: Elite Eight, for lack of better term, We're playing a 857 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:13,319 Speaker 1: team out of California, and he starts, I'm standing out 858 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,720 Speaker 1: like in foul territory, but kind of in left field, 859 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 1: just kind of pacing back and forth. Colin. I never 860 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,759 Speaker 1: felt like that. In the middle of the game, it 861 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 1: could have been third and six, and they call the 862 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,120 Speaker 1: play in the huddle and I'm like, I know he's 863 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 1: throwing me in the ball and I'm gonna catch it, 864 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 1: and I'm not even stressed about it. I'm watching him 865 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,359 Speaker 1: with a runner on second and two outs and full 866 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,400 Speaker 1: count and I'm just come on, man, throw a strike. 867 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,480 Speaker 1: So it's the most nerve wracking thing watching your kid 868 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,440 Speaker 1: compete and perform and struggle and strike out. And I mean, 869 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,839 Speaker 1: it's a wild ride, especially baseball. And I'll tell you what, man, 870 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 1: there's something magical about it. Oh, there's no question. I 871 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,960 Speaker 1: remember my daughter one time. She was a decent basketball player, 872 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,840 Speaker 1: had a very good youth coach, Edar Honor. We weren't 873 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,279 Speaker 1: the most talented team. We were the best coached. We 874 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,719 Speaker 1: must have scored about twelve points a game on inbound plays. 875 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,279 Speaker 1: We weren't very big, and so we were playing this 876 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,880 Speaker 1: team named Southington. My daughter was the center and she 877 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 1: was like a five eight and they had a six 878 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,880 Speaker 1: foot tall girl. And I remember my daughter being really nervous. 879 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,000 Speaker 1: They were the biggest girls team around. And I said, 880 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 1: you know, Olivia, it's funny. What fear does You can 881 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,800 Speaker 1: shrink or it kind of catapult you. She was twelve 882 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,240 Speaker 1: or fourteen from the field, six of six free throws, 883 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,520 Speaker 1: best game she ever played. And I can remember sitting 884 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:41,239 Speaker 1: in a subway sandwich is after and saying, Olivia, I've 885 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,960 Speaker 1: never felt like that in my life. I was hovering 886 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,720 Speaker 1: in the stands. There's nothing better. And she said, Dad, 887 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,919 Speaker 1: I've never felt like that as a player. I don't 888 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 1: even know what happened. She goes, did I miss a shot? 889 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,799 Speaker 1: I can relate to it, man, that watching your kid 890 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,319 Speaker 1: play is better than any accomplishment, any moment you've had individually. 891 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,440 Speaker 1: There's nothing better than seeing your kid care about something, 892 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 1: work towards something, overcome a bad game, overcome about whatever 893 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,120 Speaker 1: it is, and then go out there and perform when 894 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,160 Speaker 1: they need help their team. There's I'll tell you U. 895 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:17,160 Speaker 1: Sports can be as frustrating and as aggravating as you 896 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 1: can imagine. But I'll tell you what, when it's good, 897 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,279 Speaker 1: it's good and it's fun and it's special, and we're 898 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,400 Speaker 1: hoping to capture a little of those both sides, you know, 899 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,920 Speaker 1: capture both ends of that spectrum and present presented to 900 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,160 Speaker 1: our viewer and allow them to make up their minds 901 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,000 Speaker 1: on their own. Great to see anybody, you two, and 902 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:49,920 Speaker 1: it's always a blast. The volume