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Speaker 1: Hello, Casey Obrian, Hello, Millie de Cheriko. How are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm hanging in there. I gotta admit I'm a little groggy,

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Speaker 2: a little, a little jet lagged. I just got back

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Speaker 2: from Japan a couple days. Yes, I feel like shit.

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Speaker 2: I gotta be honest.

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Speaker 1: Cool.

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 1: Well, Hey, that's a great energy to bring into this

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Speaker 1: episode today. You know it's April Fool's Day. Have you

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Speaker 1: ever pulled any really righteous pranks on anybody on April Fools?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: I hate pranks.

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Speaker 1: I do too. I hate pranks, very anti prank Here's

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Speaker 1: the thing.

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Speaker 2: Y'all can do pranks, do pranks on each other. I'll watch,

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Speaker 2: I'll laugh. Do not prank me. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: be pranked. I won't prank you because I just I

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Speaker 2: don't like I don't like not being in control. Casey,

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Speaker 2: I hear you.

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Speaker 1: One time, when I was in grade school, a girl

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Speaker 1: said she broke her ankle and wore a cast to

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Speaker 1: school the week leading up to April Fools, and then

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Speaker 1: on April Fools she stood up and was like, April Fools,

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Speaker 1: that was a prank, and everyone was kind of like, well,

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Speaker 1: we like carried your books all week.

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Speaker 2: What a bitch.

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Speaker 1: So I've it was ingrained in me from a very

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Speaker 1: young age. But yes, we will not be pranking today

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Speaker 1: because this show sounds so good that it sounds like

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Speaker 1: it could be a prank, but it is simply not

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Speaker 1: a prank. Today we are talking about Bong June Hoe

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Speaker 1: and his newest movie, Mickey seventeen, which is I'm very

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Speaker 1: excited to get into that, and we've got an exciting

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Speaker 1: guest today. Don't tweet movie, oh we do.

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Speaker 2: We have our great friend Josh fatom actor, comedian, noir expert.

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Speaker 2: I'm calling him a noir expert, sure, but he's he's

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Speaker 2: going to be here to talk about his area of expertise,

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Speaker 2: which is actually not film the war, uh, it is

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Speaker 2: something even more exciting, but also in the Asian cinema realm.

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Speaker 2: So this we've got kind of like maybe a theme going.

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Speaker 2: We've got Bom Juno, We've got Josh's air of expertise.

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Speaker 2: I've just come back from Japan. I still have sushi

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Speaker 2: running through my veins. So this is gonna be a

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Speaker 2: very like, I don't know, Asian episode. Wouldn't you say.

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Speaker 1: I love it, I would say, And it's thrilling that's right.

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, stay tuned, everybody. This is perhaps your favorite podcast,

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Speaker 2: Deer Movies.

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Speaker 4: I Love you, Dear, I love you, and I've got

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Speaker 4: to know you love me to check the books.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, this is Dear Movies, I Love You.

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Speaker 2: My name is Millie. That's Casey, right, it's me yep Hi,

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Speaker 2: and we are doing a podcast again about being in

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Speaker 2: love with the movies, being obsessed with the movies, being

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Speaker 2: down bad for the movies.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: So we have so much to say in this episode.

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Speaker 2: I have a lot to say about our feature film

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Speaker 2: that we're gonna talk about making seventeen, because I have

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Speaker 2: I have such a story around seeing that movie that

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Speaker 2: relates to a film grape that I expressed many episodes ago.

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Speaker 1: Now, well, I'm at the edge of my seat. You

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Speaker 1: hinted at it before recording, so I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: dig into it more. When we discussed that movie, but

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Speaker 1: like we start every episode, we have to get into

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Speaker 1: our film diary where we talk about the movies we

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Speaker 1: most recently saw this from this past week. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's open up those film diaries. I included a sound

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Speaker 1: effect last step episode that I was very proud of

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Speaker 1: and so uh get forward to that, look forward to

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Speaker 1: that right here, and uh all in all future episodes.

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Speaker 1: So you mentioned how.

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Speaker 2: It is. It was a lot of hard work creating.

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Speaker 1: or whatever. But yes, thank you, Millie. I'm I'm glad

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Speaker 1: you noticed the sound effect and I'm glad you appreciated it.

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Speaker 2: I like how it took you a long time to

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Speaker 2: So I'm and I'm happy because you did it for

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Speaker 2: me and I appreciate it. But so, my film diary

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Speaker 2: that was my entire film diary for this week, Olivia.

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Speaker 2: It's very kind of like di palma ish.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I would say, yeah, absolutely, I can see that.

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Speaker 1: Very good. Thank you, Millie. I watched a lot of

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Speaker 1: I finally watched challengersh I had not seen Challengers from

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Speaker 2: of TikTok and you search the term men who yearn

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Speaker 2: are Men who earn, you will find a lot of

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Speaker 2: clips of Mike Feist from Challengers. I'm just throwing it out.

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Speaker 1: Fascinating. Men who yearn are men who earn interesting? Interesting, uh,

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Speaker 1: the kids. Then I watched a movie called Asrael, which

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Speaker 1: starring the actress, written by the actress Barbara Lodin. It's

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Speaker 2: I'm a fan. I'm gonna tell I'm gonna say the

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Speaker 2: Which is that I had seen his films in the past,

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Speaker 1: beat by beat through the last ten minutes.

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00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: Okay, I would appreciate that, because I would tell you

431
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,719
Speaker 2: the first two hours and ten minutes were great. I

432
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 2: was enjoying it. So I was fucking pissed man. And

433
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 2: I don't even know if there was an actual fire.

434
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 2: Could have been some rogue teenagers again, Could it.

435
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: Be a lit firecracker lit but not thrown yet?

436
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's hard. It's hard to say at

437
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 2: this point. But anyway, that's what happened.

438
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about you? Hear that?

439
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 3: Did you?

440
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: I had a great I went and saw it at

441
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: an Alamo Draft House in Woodbury, which I have some

442
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 1: thoughts about that because Woodbury is a suburb way outside

443
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: of Saint Paul, so I had to drive like thirty

444
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: minutes to go there. But you know, I love Alamo

445
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: Draft House, I really do, and this one kind of

446
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: bums me out a little bit because it's such a

447
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: suburban version of the Alamo Draft House. The one in

448
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,959
Speaker 1: LA was such a favorite place of mine, and I've

449
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: been to the ones in Austin and I've been a

450
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: fantastic fest in Austin, So it just doesn't have that

451
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: cultural center that a lot of these other Alamo draft

452
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: House locations have. It feels like a mall movie theater.

453
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: But it was still it was still good and uh,

454
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: but I loved I really loved this movie. I think

455
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: it is a bit of a mess and it is

456
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: a little long, but I kind of I enjoyed the

457
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: world so much, and the characters were so fabulous and funny.

458
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 1: I thought this was maybe Robert Pattinson's best performance. I

459
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: thought he was really funny and sweet and heartwarming. And

460
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: it is a very sweet movie. I think that's something

461
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: that I really enjoyed about it. It is romantic at times,

462
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: it's horny at times, and it's very funny, and I

463
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: just really enjoyed. I mean, I think this could have

464
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: been a TV show. I just enjoyed the goings on

465
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: on this ship and on this colony, and it was

466
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: really funny, and there's like a lot of slapstick kind

467
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: of comedy, and it really was all just working for me.

468
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: Like I loved it. I was I was all about it.

469
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right that it was. It was romantic and

470
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 2: I kind of my one note, not that anybody gives

471
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 2: a fuck.

472
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: I wonder if he's still accepting notes for this movie.

473
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: What you can see about that.

474
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,479
Speaker 2: I'm listening to this podcast being like, what is Mollie

475
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: to Jercho? What does she really want from me? Yeah?

476
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: I wish that they had more romance. I thought that

477
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: was so lovely. They had great chemistry. Love I had

478
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: never seen Naomi Aki in anything. I didn't see the

479
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 2: Whitney Houston movie she plays with Whitney Houston and the

480
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: Whitney Houston biopic, but she was just so charming and funny,

481
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: and I thought she had great rapport with Robert Pattinson,

482
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: and I just I loved it. I mean, talk about

483
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: a man who yearns is a man who earns. This

484
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: is the thing I loved about. So even from the

485
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: camera ankles, like, there was a lot of shots of

486
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: Robert Pattinson's character Mickey seventeen by the way, seventeen is

487
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: much different from eighteen, by the way, very different, which

488
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: is a big part of the story at some point. Yes,

489
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: but there were shots of him like on his knees,

490
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: like looking up at his yeah, beloved, and I was like,

491
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: holy crap, I'm like, this is this is really uh

492
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: really getting me in to a good headspace. Yeah, I

493
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: feel like it's interesting because I really related to Mickey seventeen.

494
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: Because I feel like I've had to eat a lot

495
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: of shit in my life. But also his character is

496
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: really kind of an interesting example of masculinity. You know,

497
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: he is not he doesn't want to he's kind of

498
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: non confrontational. He doesn't he's not very overly ambitious, but

499
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: he's not aggressive. And there's all these agres. You know,

500
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: it's in kind of an you know, it's in a future,

501
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: a dystopian future where like people need to be All

502
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: these men are aggressive, they're all trying to get something

503
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: by getting one over on somebody else. And he's just

504
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,239
Speaker 1: kind of pure of heart and can't understand how to

505
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: operate in that world. And I found him very sweet,

506
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: and I feel like I related to him not feeling

507
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm on a very aggressive guy,

508
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: and I feel like I don't understand kind of hustle culture.

509
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: And I feel like Mickey eighteen was like, why aren't

510
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: you like pissed off and fighting this person. It's like

511
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: Mickey Seventeen's just like I just I'm He's just not

512
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: that guy.

513
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: You know, and he's he was a little bit of

514
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: a sensitivo. You know, he doesn't he you know, his job,

515
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: his duty is to die, right because they can just

516
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: print him out, and you know, and by the way,

517
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: the printer look exactly like an MRI machine. And if

518
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: you're like me who has had a lot of MRI

519
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 2: trauma in my life, it may it may be a

520
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: little triggering for it, I'll just throw it out there.

521
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: But they print him out after, you know, they basically

522
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: are like, hey, we need a vaccine, let's test test you.

523
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 2: And it's fine because you'll just die. We'll pretty back out,

524
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: no problem.

525
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: Yes, but his.

526
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: Sensitivity, he's like, I actually don't like dying. It sucks

527
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: to die. And yeah, I'm a little bit like sensitive

528
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: to the fact that you guys are just being super

529
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: cavalier about me just fucking dying all the time.

530
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I thought the runner in the it's a

531
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: runner in the movie where everyone's like, what's it like

532
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: to die? And he's just kind of like like he

533
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: never really answers the question. Yeah, but he's just like,

534
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: I hate it. It sucks.

535
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, you know, you think it's like kind

536
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: of cool and unique, but I don't know, I'm a

537
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: little bit of a tender baby about it, which I loved.

538
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: And it was a total simper as woman, which I loved,

539
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: you know, because she was very you know, she was

540
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: like a soldier, she was very powerful. She was you know,

541
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: won a bunch of awards on the on the ship

542
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: or whatever.

543
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 5: You know.

544
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: She was like a very assertive, confident woman. And he

545
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: just was like, I love her. And there are times

546
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: where you know his character is getting maybe potentially wooed

547
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 2: by another character, and he's just like, I am true

548
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: to my woman, which I was like, this is so sweet.

549
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: How come these can't be the entire movie? I don't know.

550
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: Can I say something about Robert Pattinson real quick?

551
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: You clearly?

552
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: Yes? I so. I'm a big fan of his. Yes,

553
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: And I think you are too.

554
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: Me too.

555
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: I like him and I like what he does. But

556
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: I will say I was like, in some of his movies,

557
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, here you are again, Robert Pattinson doing your

558
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: funny little voice. You didn't like his voice at first,

559
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: I was like, are you doing your funny little voice again?

560
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: But for this movie, I loved it. I thought it worked.

561
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: I liked his voice a lot, and I was because I,

562
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I get a little bit like Robert

563
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: Pattinson's like the hottest man on the planet, you know,

564
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: and it's like you're playing he's playing like this goofy dork,

565
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: he kind of guy, you know, and so it's there

566
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: has to be a little bit of an unbelievable leap

567
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: for audiences, you know. But his little voice and his

568
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: little I don't know tics were so cute that I

569
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: was like, I liked it. Oh good, you liked.

570
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: His little nineteen thirties dead end kid voice or whatever.

571
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, yes, exactly.

572
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: It was like a little, uh, scrappy chimney sweep guy

573
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: from like a nineteen thirties movie. I thought it was adorable.

574
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: I gotta be.

575
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: Honest, I did too. And I also thought, just as

576
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: a physic, this is a very physical role, his physical

577
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: comedy in this was outstanding and I didn't, I truly

578
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: did not know that he contained that skill, and it

579
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 1: was it was very impressive to me. I was totally

580
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: one over by not one over. I already liked him,

581
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: but I was just I just was so I was

582
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: just so charmed by him in this movie.

583
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like him too. I said this in

584
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: an earlier episode. I think that's when we were talking

585
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 2: about Twilight, about how you were like a secret midnight.

586
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: Yes, but in every I've seen every installment of Twilight

587
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: at the midnight showing on the first day of it's

588
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 1: released in theater.

589
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: Well, when you told me that, I was kind of like, man,

590
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 2: I should have done that.

591
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: Shit.

592
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: Well what did I do? I just sat on my

593
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: couch and watched them high which.

594
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean, that seems like another very

595
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: nice way of viewing the Twilight films.

596
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean it was fun as hell, But honestly,

597
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: I was like, if I had if I had a crack,

598
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 2: if I was like a Mickey seventeen and knew that

599
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 2: I could just kind of like do things and get

600
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,479
Speaker 2: to live again, I'd probably go Opening Night at midnight. Sure,

601
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 2: but I said this, I am weirdly happy that him

602
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: and Kristin Stewart, the stars of Twilight, have kind of

603
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: gone on and done kind of interesting movies. And absolutely

604
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: there's people I know actually who are huge dorky cinophiles

605
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 2: like we are, but that they're very iron it. They're like,

606
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 2: oh yeah, these two, like you know, teeny Bopper stars.

607
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, cool, they're in like, you know, French movies

608
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: now and shit, and I'm like, come on, like, life

609
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 2: is so stupid at this point that if we have

610
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 2: a tiny win like that, I'm fine with it totally.

611
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 1: Like, well, I was thinking of I actually was thinking

612
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 1: of Kristin Stewart while I was watching Mickey seventeen because

613
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: Christen Stewart is in a movie called Crimes of the Future, Yeah,

614
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: a David Cronenberg movie, and she plays kind of a

615
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: kind of a weirdo, little ticky kind of character like

616
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: Robert Pattinson played in this movie. I was like, it's

617
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: so funny. They're kind of playing these like sort of

618
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: similar characters in these weird dystopian future movies, and I'm

619
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: delighted by it.

620
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 2: Speaking of Steven Yun, she was in that movie that

621
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: came out, was it like not too long ago? About

622
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: is it called Love Me? Where they're like they play

623
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 2: it's kind of a weird, like a romantic sci fi

624
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 2: type of thing.

625
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: Oh, I missed this movie entirely.

626
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 2: What oh casey, it looks kind of up your alley.

627
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: I know.

628
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: The it's like a thing where they play like, uh,

629
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: bodyless beings that that end up uh, sort of inhabiting

630
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 2: human Yes, so they're basically inanimate objects that become human

631
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: and they have a relationship. And it's like it's it's

632
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: kind of like a I haven't seen it, so I'm

633
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: just throwing I'm just seeing I'm telling you what's on

634
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 2: the trailer where they're kind of like, I don't know,

635
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 2: replicating the lives of like online people or something like

636
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 2: it's like data data life where they're just kind of like, oh,

637
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: I'm being programmed like what a human being would do

638
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: in the modern era.

639
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: Fascinating.

640
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: So and I was like, oh, man, I want to

641
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 2: see that. I haven't seen it yet, but it kind

642
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: of look when I watched Makey seventeen, I was kind

643
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 2: of thinking, oh, yeah, this is kind of maybe, I

644
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe a timy little bit of a camp

645
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: but who knows.

646
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, But I like.

647
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 2: I like Robert Pattinson. I actually hear this isn't my

648
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: story to tell, but I'm gonna tell you anyway. I

649
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: have a friend in LA that was at a party

650
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: once with Robert Pattinson. Was there like maybe a couple

651
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: of years ago. I think he was dating a famous

652
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 2: musician perhaps, and she was like he was so humble

653
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 2: and self effacing that it was kind of alarmed, alarming

654
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 2: for her because she was just like, oh, I was

655
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 2: just expecting me to be this, like, you know, really famous,

656
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: like Hollywood guy. And he was like basically going like, yeah,

657
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 2: I'm just like a huge piece of shit like everybody else.

658
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 2: And I can't believe this, like hot woman wants to

659
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: date me and I'm just like a total whatever, normal guy.

660
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: And she was just like, man, it was kind of amazing.

661
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: And every time I heard every time I think about him,

662
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 2: I think of that story, and I'm like, and again,

663
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe this is just a one and

664
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 2: done deal. I don't know how he is. I don't

665
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: know him, but I was like really really taken with

666
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: that story.

667
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: So well, I feel like he he he actually seems

668
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: like a normal guy. I mean, we don't know him

669
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: so that he couldn't be a horrible weirdo, but he uh,

670
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: he seems like a normal guy. But without doing that

671
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: like movie star thing of being like I'm just a

672
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: normal person. I feel like Johnny Depp was always lying

673
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: I'm a bit of a I'm just a bit of

674
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: a weirdo that I'm just kind of a normal guy,

675
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: like he would kind of do that sort of thing.

676
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: And but I feel like Robert Pattinson is sincere. Yeah,

677
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: I believe him for some reason.

678
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 2: He's based, as I like to say, he seems based.

679
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: I guess, yes. But he was really great, great in

680
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: this movie. I loved his accent, I liked his physicality,

681
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 2: I liked, you know, everything the I to go back

682
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: to your earlier point about it being kind of there's

683
00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: a lot going on, Yes, I felt that too, and

684
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: that's why I think I was kind of like, Okay,

685
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 2: maybe we can just distill this into like the framework

686
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 2: of it being a love story, amping up the love story,

687
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 2: and then taking out a couple couple of things. Perhaps

688
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: I don't know. Again my stupid notes like no one

689
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: gives a shit. But yeah, the thing I wanted to

690
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: talk to you most about about Mickey seventeen is the

691
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 2: whole Trump commentary, the Mark Ruffalo and Tony Collette characters, which,

692
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 2: by the way, Tony Collette is in the movie. She's

693
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: one of my favorite actresses ever to and they play

694
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: essentially like the president of this new like it was

695
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 2: like a failed presidency on Earth that gets.

696
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 1: Taken to this new colony.

697
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 5: Yeah.

698
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're kind of like megalomaniac psychos.

699
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 5: Yeah.

700
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: And Mark Ruffalo has these insane veneers.

701
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: Much like till This. It's the same teeth as Till

702
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 1: the Swinton and snow Piercer.

703
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also she had weird teeth at Oakja too, right.

704
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 2: Did she have braces or something in that movie?

705
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: I don't know.

706
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: Anyway, maybe that's a thing about bum jn know, he's

707
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: like a weird teeth guy.

708
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe, or maybe he's like, you don't look American enough,

709
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: you need to have bigger, faker teeth.

710
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: Anyways, that his Hitchcock Blondes continuum as the big ass teeth.

711
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: But anyway, because again, I mean, this is just an

712
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: interesting thing for me to see a foreign director making

713
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 2: commentary about this American loser, right, which is like again

714
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: the like you said, the whole the world is influenced

715
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: by this loser unfortunately, Yeah, but just in the ways

716
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 2: in which like, and you can just also tell too

717
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: that Mark Ruffalo had such a meal playing this character.

718
00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it was really chewing it up. I think

719
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: this was the weakest part of the movie for me.

720
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: I felt like, I actually think what they were saying

721
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: was right on, because there's like this race of aliens

722
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: that are so cute that are in danger, and I

723
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: was really worried about them. And it did make me

724
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: think about just natural resources and the way we take

725
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: care of people in this country. And it was getting

726
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: my blood boiling while watching the movie. But Mark Ruffalo's

727
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: portrayal of this character, it is basically a bad Trump

728
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: impression and he kind of looks like Trump, and I

729
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: was just like, it just felt cheap a little bit,

730
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: and I wish it would it had been a little different.

731
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: I guess I was just kind of like, Okay, I mean,

732
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: we've seen so many portrayals of Trump that I was

733
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: just kind of like, I don't need this, Let's just

734
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: do something a little bit different. But maybe he needed

735
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: to be kind of Trump liked to get the point across.

736
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just I didn't love that aspect

737
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: of it. And there were times where I was like,

738
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 1: he looks like my man, Walton Goggins. They just get

739
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: Walton Goggins in here. But yeah, so I yeah, that

740
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: part I didn't love. It was a little distracting, I guess.

741
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: Well, and like Okay, if your assessment about the theme

742
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 2: or one of the themes being about masculinity, ultimately, yeah,

743
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 2: that had to happen in a weird way, like you

744
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: had to have this big swing buffoon type of character

745
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: to remind us all that those types of men suck

746
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: and that we're much more at peace with like a

747
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 2: Mickey seventeen. Right, yeah, let's talk a little bit about

748
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: Mickey eighteen. And I know people again sorry were spoiling

749
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: it a little bit, but you know, he gets printed

750
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: out before seventeen dies. So there's two and it's a

751
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: problem because what are they called multiples?

752
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're in this world. You're not allowed to have multiples,

753
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: and actually cloning is illegal on Earth, but you can

754
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: do it in space. So that's like this whole thing.

755
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: And the issue becomes the issue is that you can't

756
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 2: have two the same dude. But anyway, it creates his

757
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: panic where people are like, we got to kill the

758
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: multiples and also destroy the original box that houses the

759
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 2: personality so that every iteration of him is gone. Essentially,

760
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 2: he sees us to exist and each iteration of him

761
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 2: is a little bit different, right, yes, and personality wise,

762
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: and then this new the new one is definitely more

763
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: keyed up, definitely way more aggressive, feels a little bit

764
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 2: more like like you said, oh my god, like why

765
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 2: aren't you fucking going.

766
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: And beating the shit out of that guy?

767
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 2: Mangioning this guy like what the hell? Like he's awful,

768
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: and like what's your problem? Why are you being such

769
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 2: a pussy or whatever? You know, And that is like

770
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: another interesting component I think to the masculinity conversation, because

771
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 2: it is that feeling of technically a good guy right

772
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: wants the bad guy to die, but comes across it

773
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: in just like such an aggressive way that you're kind

774
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: of like, well, ultimately, okay, you're a good guy, but

775
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 2: you're just you know, like you act like the bad guy.

776
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: You have the aggression of the aggressor.

777
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think historically this is like the kind

778
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: of guy we want to be the hero. He is virtuous,

779
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: and he his heart, you know, he's trying to protect people,

780
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: and but he's like, well, do what it takes to

781
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: like seek justice, you know. And it's sort of like

782
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: a sort of the prototype of like what we think

783
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: of like heroes in a way. Yeah, but like Mickey

784
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: seventeen is just like such a sensitivo guy, you know,

785
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: and would never be, would never act the way that

786
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: Mickey eighteen acts, right, you know.

787
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: Well, and that's I think kind of again to the

788
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: idea that this is a movie about masculinity. It just

789
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: makes that conversation a little bit more complex and nuanced,

790
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: if you will, absolutely, which I actually thought was kind

791
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: of cool.

792
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: Uh fabulous. Well, that is our conversation about Bunng Juno,

793
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: Mickey seventeen, Robert Pattinson moving on. All right, everybody, we

794
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: are back for another segment of my area of expertise,

795
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: and we have a true expert, a film expert, on

796
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: the show today. He was a previous guest on I

797
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: Saw What You Did and a fan favorite, so we

798
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: needed to bring him back. You can hear him on

799
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: his new podcast, Here Come the Details. You've seen him

800
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: on Better Call Saul. He's in Twin Peaks, The Return

801
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: Reservation Dogs, He's in so many great things. Josh Fatum, Josh, Hi,

802
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: welcome back. Welcome, well, not welcome, welcome to our new show.

803
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 3: Welcome to Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm very excited

804
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 3: to be here.

805
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and so your your film area of expertise that

806
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: you brought to us. I'd actually never seen any of

807
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: his movies before. Qua Chi Hung the filmmaker Quai Chi Hung,

808
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: Why did you pick? Why do you want to talk

809
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:33,760
Speaker 1: about this this dude?

810
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 3: Well a couple of reasons. Because the email where you're like, okay,

811
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 3: you want to do our new podcast was like, you know,

812
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 3: pick an area of expertise, and I was like, well, yes,

813
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 3: you know, I mean we talked about noir on the

814
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 3: last one, and and I and I and I feel like,

815
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 3: notably for myself, I went down the deep film noir

816
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 3: rabbit hole and I got just like obsessed. And that's

817
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 3: kind of how it works for me. I'll go get

818
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 3: obsessed and then I'll be like, all right, I've kind

819
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 3: of run this front of its course. I still love

820
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 3: noir film, but I've kind of seen all the major ones,

821
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, there's still like one or

822
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: two that and I you know, you know in America,

823
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 3: so you know, honestly trying to think of, like, well,

824
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 3: what's something that they probably haven't talked about. And I

825
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 3: know that like a lot of people have seen Boxers

826
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 3: omen and a lot of people that it had its

827
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 3: moment where it was like, God, look at this movie.

828
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 3: We found like maybe eighteen years ago, you know, yeah,

829
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 3: and everyone's like boxers Omen, boxers Omen, but I feel

830
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 3: like it got a little overshadowed by you know, how Sue,

831
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 3: which also got kind of pointed out around then, and

832
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 3: everyone's like, well, how SU's the one. But in my mind,

833
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 3: I was like, I kind of like boxers Omen, and

834
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 3: I one time went down a rabbit hole of I

835
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 3: was like, well, what did the guy who made boxers

836
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 3: Omen make? And he made a lot of films that

837
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 3: are he's a real like cinematic clownster, you know.

838
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: I think it said he made over like forty movies

839
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 1: and he retired when he was like sixty one.

840
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 3: I think he died when he was sixty one, but

841
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 3: it looks like.

842
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: He died me when he was sixty one.

843
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, he died in nineteen ninety nine, and it looks

844
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 3: like he's The last movie he made was box Someone

845
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 3: was his penultimate one, and I couldn't There's a lot

846
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 3: of that you can't find too. But so anyway, I

847
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 3: just thought this guy's interesting. Not enough people are talking

848
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 3: about this guy, you know, not everything he makes his

849
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 3: is as good as boxer z Omen, But there there's

850
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff, and some of it's was like

851
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 3: I started a couple ones, like the few I could

852
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 3: find on Amazon, and like there was one I believe

853
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 3: was called Killer Constable, and then there was another one

854
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 3: that starred Bruce Laid, the double from Game of Death,

855
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 3: who's not Bruce Lee or he won of the Doubles,

856
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 3: you know, and and that one was kind of slow,

857
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 3: you know, they have things about him, and same like

858
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 3: Killer Constable was, you know, kind of slow. But there

859
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 3: were I went. I tried to review some of his

860
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 3: movies years ago, Like he has this series called Hex,

861
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 3: and the for Hex is really good. Hex is like

862
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 3: a weird supernatural remake of dab a Leak. And then

863
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 3: there's a sequel called Hex after Hex, which I can't

864
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 3: remember if I've seen. And then there's one called like

865
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 3: the third one which sounds crazy called Hex Versus Afterlife

866
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 3: or something like that, but those are a little harder

867
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 3: to find. And then I started, sorry, I'll stop talking.

868
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 3: I no, no, no, well, I was gonna say. There's

869
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 3: also this one that that I liked called corpse Mania,

870
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 3: which was kind of like a like a Hong Kong giallo, and.

871
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: It sounds beautiful and Yeah.

872
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 3: It's got some cool, cool gore to it and just

873
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 3: go just stylish. And then there was one that I

874
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 3: started but I didn't have time to finish it before

875
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 3: this podcast that I was really liking called Bewitched, and

876
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 3: I found that on archive dot org that you could

877
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 3: find that on archive dot So I'd like to finish Bewitched,

878
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 3: but that was that was felt right in line. And

879
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 3: then I watched this one called The Killer Snakes, which

880
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 3: is advertised as learning contains extremely sick and disturbing scenes

881
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 3: not suitable for most people.

882
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: That's not us, obviously, that we're not most people.

883
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're suitable for us.

884
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 2: Well, I wanted to ask, so, you know this director

885
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 2: was involved with the Shaw brothers, right, it was making

886
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 2: movies with the Shaw brothers. So I'm curious because I

887
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 2: got to be honest, I feel like he as a director,

888
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: I feel like he's pretty obscure, I mean honestly, like

889
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: when it even like to like cult movie heads and

890
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 2: Asian cinema folks. So I was wondering if you had

891
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 2: any thoughts so as to like, maybe why he seems

892
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 2: to be like not as well remembered as some of

893
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 2: the other Shaw brothers folks.

894
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and really, do you just want to

895
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: say what real quick? Would the Shaw brothers who they

896
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: are and where they're from.

897
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were a production company in Hong Kong and

898
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 2: made They were around for almost what one hundred years

899
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 2: or so, like yeah, and they're probably the most famous

900
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: Chinese studio, wouldn't you say?

901
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: Like yeah? Yeah?

902
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean they're they're legendary and had so many,

903
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 2: so many arms and so many films that came out

904
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: of that organization, so you know, kind of in that

905
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 2: American way where they were kind of bringing new directors

906
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: into the fold a bunch, and so yeah, I was

907
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 2: just gonna, you know, ask about how like I just

908
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 2: wonder why his movies but because they're so insane, So

909
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, I just wonder why, you know, like for example,

910
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 2: not more of them are on you know, physical media

911
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 2: or whatever.

912
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 3: That's why I wanted to talk about him because there's

913
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 3: a lot of these these questions I don't personally know

914
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 3: the answer. I was almost kind of hoping that you

915
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 3: might know, you know, more than me, but like just

916
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 3: basically my digging around, you know, online to try to

917
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 3: get some information about him was like he was he

918
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 3: would get real obsessed and stressed out about his films.

919
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,439
Speaker 3: I think I saw a quote just from his son

920
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 3: or something said in an interview. Maybe you saw this too,

921
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 3: where you get real stressed out about making his films

922
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 3: and then he'd think that, ah, that was no good,

923
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 3: and then he'd get excited to make another one, and

924
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 3: then he'd again, but that was no good or whatever.

925
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 3: But if you look at like, he seems to be

926
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 3: the guy amongst the Shaw Brothers directors. And I'm I

927
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 3: have a general like, I know the basics with the

928
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 3: Shaw Brothers films, there's always more, you know, with that,

929
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 3: But he seems to be the guy as far as

930
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 3: the ones I've seen that's not afraid to just get

931
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 3: nasty and get weird, but also get inventive. It's very inventive,

932
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 3: very yes, also not afraid to just be like, this

933
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 3: is the best we can do, so let's go ten thousand,

934
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 3: you know, let's let's turn it up as high as

935
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 3: we can go, Like, Okay, we don't have these type

936
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 3: of special effects or we don't have you know, it's

937
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 3: not we have a sloppy story. Yeah I don't know,

938
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 3: you know.

939
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well I just watched The Boxer's Omen from

940
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty three, which is probably his most famous movie

941
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: in the United States anymore. Yeah, and like you know,

942
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 1: they're doing a they're doing effects in that where it's like, Okay,

943
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: we need to like have a giant crocodile and cut

944
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,240
Speaker 1: him open. It's like, well, we don't have that. Well,

945
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: I think we'll make like a paper mache one essentially,

946
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: but we do have, you know, guts and intestines we

947
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: can put inside of that paper mache alligator, and so

948
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: we'll cut it open and pull all these guts out.

949
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh my god, this is like it's

950
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: visually striking and horrifying but also inventive, like you know,

951
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: it's not real, but it still gets the job done.

952
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's cute. I don't know

953
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:55,240
Speaker 2: why cute fighters in The Boxers Omen in the fucking

954
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: like little yeah, just like the little creatures that come

955
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: out and just like do weird shit a bat. The

956
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 2: bat is so cute to me, even though it's supposed

957
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 2: to be scary and gross. I think it's cute.

958
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 3: I think some of it's supposed to be funny. I

959
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 3: don't know the guy who's like the the guy who's

960
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 3: like the demon. I couldn't even Actually, while when I

961
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 3: watched it, I'm like, I can explain this plot, but afterwards,

962
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not sure I can explain this plot.

963
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 3: There's a boxer. Well, first of all, there's a boxer

964
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 3: and his brother gets beaten up real bad by Bolo Yung,

965
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 3: who is kind of like the martial arts m m

966
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 3: at Walsh. You know, if you know the Roger Ebert quote,

967
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 3: you know where no movie can be completely bad if

968
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 3: mm at Walsh appears in it. I feel that way

969
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 3: about Bolo Yung. With martial arts films, if it's got

970
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 3: Bolo Yung, you know, you can't go wrong. But anyway,

971
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 3: so Bolo Yung beats the shit out of someone and

972
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 3: and he's pretty good in it. It's like he plays

973
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 3: a great bad guy, but he beats the ship out

974
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 3: of guy. And then that's this guy's brother, I guess

975
00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 3: is like he's uh, he's like I got trying to

976
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 3: beat him too or the then I lose my ability

977
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 3: to be articulated.

978
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the brother of the guy who got really

979
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: beat up has to seek revenge by fighting the guy

980
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: who beat up his brother, but on the way to

981
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: seeking revenge, he's visited by like a deity or a

982
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: Buddhist monk who's like, we were twins in a past

983
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: life and you need to you need to defeat a

984
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: separate demon that's bothering that killed me, the twin from

985
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,399
Speaker 1: a past life. So then this boxer gangster guy has

986
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: to become a monk, which is very hard because he

987
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: loves to have sex. He loves sex, and he has

988
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: to give it up. And I mean, yeah, like you said,

989
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: I think it is supposed to be funny because there

990
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 1: are these scenes where it's like, okay, you're ready to

991
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: become a monk. That means you can't drink alcohol. And

992
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: then he like, he's like, have you drank alcohol? And

993
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: he like looks to his right and if a candle

994
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: goes out, it means he lied. So it's like, have

995
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: you drank alcohol? He looks to us right, the candle remains,

996
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: and then it's like, have you had sex? Uh no,

997
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: looks just right, candle goes out because he has had sex.

998
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 1: But so I think it is supposed to be funny.

999
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the guy, the little guy who's controlling the bats,

1000
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 3: he's like that scene where he's like, go get him,

1001
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 3: go get him, go get him in the.

1002
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: Bats like you know, you know what I mean, It's

1003
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: like clearly someone's pulling a string off screen to pull

1004
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: this little bat. Yeah.

1005
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 3: I think there's no way the movie doesn't know that.

1006
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 3: That's funny, you know what I mean.

1007
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 2: I mean it's funny that you mentioned how Sue because

1008
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: you're right in that this did seem to kind of

1009
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 2: have the same.

1010
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: Resurgence.

1011
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, but it's like I think people and

1012
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 2: this is I truly believe this. I think people really

1013
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 2: loved how Sue because of that cat. I think the

1014
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 2: cat was the one that grabbed people, the cat that

1015
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 2: spits blood. If you've ever seen How Sue a house,

1016
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 2: which you you know, yeah, it's it's been shown so

1017
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: many times here. It was on uh Criterion and everything, uh,

1018
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 2: and everybody I knew was yeah.

1019
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: How Soon is a nineteen seventy seven Japanese horror film

1020
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: where a bunch of teenage girls go to a house

1021
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: to visit a friend I guess, and the house kills

1022
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: them in very silly and crazy like the movie.

1023
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 3: You're gonna want to get stone before you watch it. Yeah,

1024
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:19,919
Speaker 3: you're gonna want to take a few.

1025
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really crazy and you know, visually just like

1026
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 2: chaotic in the same way that The Boxers Omen is too.

1027
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 2: And so but for my money, I feel like this

1028
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 2: there was more cute, weird shit happening in the in

1029
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 2: boxers Omen beat He's per minute than House Like I

1030
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 2: really and I feel like maybe we should have, you know,

1031
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 2: split the difference a little bit in terms of our

1032
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 2: fascination with these two movies.

1033
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too. I think that the revival

1034
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 3: House World really gave it all to House who back

1035
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 3: in back in the day, and Boxer's Omen kind of

1036
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 3: got swept under the rug, and I feel so did

1037
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 3: the other films. I'm always looking and for like, well,

1038
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 3: what's everyone not talking about, you know? And I remember

1039
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 3: when I worked at Cinophile, you know, we I was

1040
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 3: like everyone was all about how Sue and a. Well,

1041
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna look and see what this Boxer z Omen

1042
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 3: guy also made, and so we had a lot of

1043
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 3: his films, and so I was able to watch a bunch.

1044
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 3: There was another one I watched called The Delinquents, which

1045
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 3: is like kind of just a crime young crime movie,

1046
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 3: crime crime, kids in the street type movie Sat in

1047
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 3: Hong Kong was in the early seventies, and I remember

1048
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 3: liking that one, you know as well. But yeah, I

1049
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 3: also just find if you think about like, you know,

1050
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 3: I just find a movie like Boxersoman very inspiring because

1051
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 3: the way that they're just making they're just pulling everything,

1052
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 3: you know. And totally my girlfriend's a little smarter than me.

1053
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 3: I watched it with her. She was like, oh, there's

1054
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 3: a lot of Buddhism in this film. And I was like, oh,

1055
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 3: I'm going to say that when I talk about this,

1056
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 3: but I couldn't quite And then there was that when

1057
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 3: he went to one of the other countries, I forget

1058
00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 3: which one, but she was taking this Buddhism man Hinduism

1059
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 3: kind of meshed together.

1060
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: Oh that went over my head. I didn't quite well, that.

1061
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 3: Was what she was saying about. If it wasn't Nepoala,

1062
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 3: it was one of the other countries he went to,

1063
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 3: and she was saying, ah, this is She was like,

1064
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 3: this is kind of Hindu. She was stone when she

1065
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 3: was watching it.

1066
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: But she was on another level.

1067
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was. She was experienced on another level.

1068
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: I guess the question I have since you've seen a

1069
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: few of his other movies, is there as much? I

1070
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: think the thing My one critique of this movie is

1071
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Speaker 1: there is a lot of munching on like rotted meat

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Speaker 1: and guts by men and then spitting it out, like

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Speaker 1: men chewing it, spitting it out into other vessels. And

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Speaker 1: I was eating a turkey sandwich when I was watching

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01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: this movie, and I did have to stop because it

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01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: was so gross. Yeah, is there an element of that

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Speaker 1: in any of his other movies?

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Speaker 3: This guy loves gross. I loves gross, and but and

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Speaker 3: it's sort of like what I'm trying to articulate is

1080
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 3: like he's not afraid to go gross from any angle

1081
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 3: he can find it, you know, whether it's slimy, sloppy,

1082
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Speaker 3: whether it's like super sexual, whether it's eat and puke,

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01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 3: like a character actually puking. There was that it wasn't.

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Speaker 3: There's a scene where like an eel or something comes

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Speaker 3: out of his mouth.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, that was so that made me gag. There's

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Speaker 1: like an eel coming out of his mouth. There's the

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01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: actor must have actually had it in his mouth for

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Speaker 1: a part of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was trying to figure that out too,

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01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 3: because you can see the clever editing where they cut

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Speaker 3: to the mouth and then it's a real eel, right,

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Speaker 3: but the face is paper mache looking. And then they

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Speaker 3: cut to a face and the eel looks fake, you know,

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01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 3: and like weird an elastic. But then they cut to

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01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 3: that wide and it looks like that eel hoyel is

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Speaker 3: coming out of his mouth. You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, I.

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Speaker 2: Have Okay, so I have a general question I think

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Speaker 2: for both of you. I'm just curious what you think

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Speaker 2: about this, because I was talking about this at work

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01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 2: and I I'm a programmer, a film programmer, and I

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Speaker 2: work at a television network that I'm working on a

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Speaker 2: basically what's a they call it grindhouse channel. It's like

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01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 2: a channel that plays a lot of like that's kind

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Speaker 2: of seventies and eighties like grindhouse type of stuff, right,

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Speaker 2: And I was talking to my boss about this because

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Speaker 2: we play a lot of martial arts films, like old

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01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 2: school martial arts films, a lot of the like fake

1110
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Speaker 2: Bruce Lee movies, by the way, which is really great.

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01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 2: But we were talking about this. We were like, we felt

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Speaker 2: we kind of feel like there isn't as much appreciation

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01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 2: for these types of movies as much as there was

1114
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Speaker 2: maybe when we were kind of growing up in film culture, right,

1115
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Speaker 2: do you think that do you think that the kids

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01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 2: perhaps have forgotten the magic of things like these movies

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01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 2: or just basically any of these kind of like old

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Speaker 2: school martial arts films. I mean they are even really

1119
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Speaker 2: still making films like this anymore, like at least where

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Speaker 2: we could see them in America. Like, what do you

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Speaker 2: guys think about.

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Speaker 3: All those I have an opinion, Let's hear. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: think that when I was a kid, I mean, I'm

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Speaker 3: forty four, we might be around the same age all

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Speaker 3: of us. I you know, in the late eighties, early nineties,

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Speaker 3: you know, we had Sigal Van Dam, you know, all

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01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 3: the guys, Dolph Lugren, Bolo Yung, you know, Cynthia Rothrock

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Speaker 3: and they and all these HBO movies were marketed. And

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01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 3: then that was one way in. And then there was

1130
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 3: stuff like Wu Tang Clan and the Beastie Boys and

1131
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 3: Quentin Tarantino and all that that popped up in the

1132
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 3: nighties and they're like, here, these are the real martial

1133
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 3: arts things, and Bruce Lee and all that stuff, and

1134
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 3: Jackie Channon and and then if you got real into

1135
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 3: it you started digging deeper into the stuff that you're

1136
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 3: talking about, the grindhouse stuff, the Shaw Brothers stuff, you know,

1137
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Speaker 3: and I just wonder if kids even have a way

1138
01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 3: in you know, today to that sort of thing, and like,

1139
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 3: like I mentioned the hip hop stuff, and even like

1140
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 3: the Beastie Boys. I feel like, I don't know why

1141
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 3: I'm linking the Beastie Boys in their seventies kind of

1142
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 3: exploitation esthetic in the nineties like sabotage and sabotage, and

1143
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Speaker 3: I feel like there might have been some sampling as well,

1144
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 3: or just that kind of funky music sampling that I

1145
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 3: kind of put it all together with that Kung fu stuff,

1146
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 3: and so that was my way into that being you know,

1147
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 3: but also that the stuff that you're talking about has

1148
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 3: a lot of cool stuff. I don't know if the kids,

1149
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 3: if there's a market for it, or if the kids

1150
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 3: are finding it or whatever.

1151
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting.

1152
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 2: Yeah go ahead, Casey, gohead.

1153
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: Well, I was just gonna say, I find that that's

1154
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: really interesting that you say like you was kind of

1155
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: stumbled upon that stuff Josh on TV, because I do

1156
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: think that nowadays there's a lot less random sort of

1157
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: stumbling onto things that are not curated specifically for you

1158
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 1: as like a young person, so like you won't just

1159
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: be like flipping through the cable channels are like not

1160
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: meant for you and finding something totally off that you

1161
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: was not geared for you at all, but now you're

1162
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: watching it, you know. And so I think there's one

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01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: that's one aspect, but also with like old school kung

1164
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: fu movies and movies like The Boxers Owmen, where it's

1165
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 1: like this sort of creative, funny and slapped together types

1166
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: of movies, like doing whatever you can to make these movies.

1167
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: They feel a little like sloppy but in a good

1168
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: way and kind of not totally polished. And I feel

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Speaker 1: like nowadays, young people, I sound so old saying this,

1170
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: but I feel like there's less patients for movies that

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01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: look sloppy in a way, like it needs to be

1172
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: more of like a finished product or it's like this

1173
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: is stupid and bad, you know, like, whereas I feel

1174
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 1: like maybe we had more patience or like we're gravitated

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01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: towards something that wasn't a totally polished, totally finished product

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Speaker 1: but still like could still appreciate it as a like

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Speaker 1: a movie. Whereas I don't know if people now do

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01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: as much. So that's sort of like my two thoughts

1179
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Speaker 1: on it.

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Speaker 3: I find sloppy inspiring in a week two and especially

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Speaker 3: if it's I don't mean to cut you off, Millie,

1182
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 3: but like, you know, like when I think about like

1183
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 3: Lucio Fulci and stuff like that, if you're getting into

1184
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 3: those movies, he's like, if he were to take like,

1185
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 3: you know, on set, if you're at some of those

1186
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 3: edits and shots and stuff, if they were to take

1187
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 3: a few more hours to like get those zooms and

1188
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 3: everything in the and hitting those marks a little tighter, well,

1189
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Speaker 3: it would just look amazing. But at the same time,

1190
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 3: that would really kind of ruin the movie, you know,

1191
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 3: you know, and you're just like boom bop zoom, step

1192
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 3: on that mark, splash the guts, you know, cut the throat,

1193
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 3: spray the thing, and it's just we got to go okay,

1194
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 3: moving on. It is just the feel I get from it,

1195
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 3: and that's also kind of exhilarating, you know, in a weird.

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01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 1: Totally Yeah, it feels alive.

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01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're a live here.

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Speaker 1: And for those who don't know, Luccio Fulci was an

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Speaker 1: Italian director who worked in the seventy eighties, known for

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01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: his giallo and horror movies, which were frequently messy and violent,

1201
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: and they sort of seemed sort of sloppy kind of.

1202
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: I guess all giallo movies sort of feel that way,

1203
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: but his especially feel that way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I think, Josh, we're really close to

1205
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 2: the same age, and so I'm totally with you on

1206
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 2: the idea that you know, when we were growing, I mean,

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Speaker 2: first of all, I remember in the being a kid

1208
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Speaker 2: in the eighties, and like martial arts was such a

1209
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 2: huge thing. Like all the kids on my street were

1210
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 2: in karate and like you know, and also like pro wrestling,

1211
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 2: which is kind of like an extension of that, and

1212
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 2: like you know, every everybody was into like Ninja's and

1213
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 2: you know, like and and because of that, there seemed

1214
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 2: to me to be this kind of proliferation of these

1215
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 2: like huge martial arts stars, you know, like like you said,

1216
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 2: like not just Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan, but like

1217
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 2: Jet Lee, and you know, I mean even people like.

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Speaker 3: You know, like man, I know, people get real into

1219
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 3: Donnie Yen. I was kind of already out of it

1220
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 3: when when he came up.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, yeah, no, but like even guys like I mean,

1222
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 2: you still kind of have a little bit of like

1223
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 2: that in like I don't know, maybe like a Jason

1224
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 2: Statham or you know, I mean, and the Steven Stagall

1225
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 2: movies and the Van Damn movies and stuff. I'm just

1226
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Speaker 2: I'm wondering if there is an opportunity for that to

1227
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 2: come back, And like part of me wonders if it's

1228
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 2: like again, maybe there's not like a taste for it

1229
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Speaker 2: as much as it was when we were kids. Like

1230
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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe people just don't like them violence

1231
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 2: as much as we liked it back then. But I'm like,

1232
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Speaker 2: are we going to ever have another Jackie.

1233
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Speaker 3: Chan or you know, I mean, I have a thought

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01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 3: that like it also might be the star power, you know,

1235
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 3: like because I watched Game of Death actually for the

1236
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 3: first time. I just like kind of slept on it

1237
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 3: for years because you know, friends who watched it was bad,

1238
01:08:58,880 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 3: you know, when I was a kid and so just

1239
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 3: a bother and they know it's like I better watch it.

1240
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 3: So I wasn't quite totally sure what it was. And

1241
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 3: when you're with this double the whole time, he's good

1242
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 3: and then fights are good, and that motor there's a

1243
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 3: motorcycle fight or whatever. That's really cool. But when Bruce Lee,

1244
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,759
Speaker 3: real Bruce Lee shows up, you do get a sense

1245
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 3: that this is a star. You know, he is a

1246
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 3: movie star. He's a trained actor and a trained movie star,

1247
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 3: and he really knows how to be an American movie

1248
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 3: star and an international star. And so there was something

1249
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 3: like the star part is key. So I wonder if

1250
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 3: there were someone I mean, you know, the john Wick

1251
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 3: movies are huge, and that's kind of like Kung Fu

1252
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 3: with guns, you know.

1253
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well then yeah, there is I think an

1254
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 2: appetite for that type of stuff somewhere, and I mean,

1255
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 2: I fucking love the john Wick movies obviously, so you know,

1256
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 2: I'm just but yeah, this when I was, you know,

1257
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 2: thinking about you coming on and talking about these films

1258
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 2: and rewatching the Boxers omen it just really kind of

1259
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 2: put me back into a place of when I was

1260
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 2: like kind of budding, you know, movie freak or whatever.

1261
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 2: Like I was like watching stuff like this was like

1262
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 2: the thing that I like wanted I want because it

1263
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 2: felt like, I think to your earlier point about uh,

1264
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 2: when you were working at Cinophile Video, which, by the way,

1265
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 2: for those people who don't live in La and don't

1266
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:27,679
Speaker 2: know Cinophile Video. It's a very legendary video store. And

1267
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 2: you worked there, right, I.

1268
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 3: Worked there for ten years.

1269
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 2: That's right. And it felt like almost everybody that had

1270
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 2: worked there were they they were all stars to me.

1271
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 2: Were you to cast you up? Yeah I was. I

1272
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 2: was in LA a little bit.

1273
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 3: I worked there from three to twenty thirteen. So yeah, yeah,

1274
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 3: yeah you came in around then. Yeah, probably.

1275
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 2: Well, but it's also like, I don't know, to me,

1276
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 2: there was always that whole I don't know, there's a

1277
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 2: dare I say there's a mythology around the La Video store?

1278
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 2: Folks like there's They just seemed to be a little

1279
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 2: bit like more KEYTD and a little bit cooler than

1280
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 2: a lot of others. But I but yeah, in that

1281
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 2: way where I was seeking out weird stuff on purpose

1282
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,679
Speaker 2: and being like, oh I got to watch you know, yeah,

1283
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 2: all these like really crazy martial arts films like the

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01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 2: Story of Ricky. I remember that was really a huge

1285
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 2: thing when I was coming up, And so yeah, I

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01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 2: mean this is but I think that to your for

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01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 2: you coming on and talking about this director and trying

1288
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 2: to get people back on board, right, it's important.

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01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 3: It's like the director. This is a real strong voice.

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01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 3: And you look at his other movies and the voice

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01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 3: is pretty consistent, you know.

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01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what.

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01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 3: I think is most what I most wanted to come

1294
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 3: on here and say, like Kwai Chi hung is he's

1295
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 3: got something to say. He had something to say, and

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01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 3: he had something to do.

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Speaker 6: And I and uh, it's got something to do with

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01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 6: sex and sloppiness and duking and you know, uh phallic.

1299
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 3: And vaginal and animals. He uses a lot of animals too,

1300
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 3: like the snakes and even in uh Bewitched, there's a

1301
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:20,679
Speaker 3: lot of animals and bugs. You know. So they don't

1302
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:23,879
Speaker 3: do it like that anymore, not necessarily saying they should,

1303
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 3: but this happened.

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01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 1: You know, Well, thank you so much Josh for being

1305
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 1: on the show. Where and I know you you you

1306
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 1: there's a movie night in Tulsa.

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01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 3: Yeah time. I mean, I got all kinds of stuff

1308
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 3: here that are all different. I got that. I got

1309
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 3: a shelf across the room that like it's all noir.

1310
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 3: I got lots to talk about. So and I love this.

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01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 2: Like direct cinema. Look at your the room that you're

1312
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 2: in with your stacks of DVDs.

1313
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 3: This is awesome. If you if you ever have someone

1314
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 3: fall through last second reach out to Josh.

1315
01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 1: From Josh and the Life Saver. Yeah, absolutely, But what

1316
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: do you what do you got going on? Josh? What

1317
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: do you what do you want people to tell?

1318
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 3: If you're in Tulsa. I run anwar knight called ar

1319
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:11,879
Speaker 3: Knights with Josh Fatum and that's become a very popular

1320
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 3: screening night at the Circle Cinema. And then I also

1321
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 3: started a podcast show called Here Come the Details, and

1322
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 3: you know, you can find it on YouTube, Spotify, Apple,

1323
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 3: all the places that people watch or listen, and so,

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01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 3: I don't know, that's kind of been you know, I've

1325
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 3: got some acting things coming up here and there, but

1326
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 3: that's been kind of the The thing I've been most

1327
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 3: focused on is this podcast show, you know, doing that

1328
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:36,720
Speaker 3: kind of thing.

1329
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 1: It's a great show.

1330
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 3: We also have a movie part of the podcast called

1331
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 3: The Tape Pile, which is it's like all these different

1332
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:45,560
Speaker 3: things where I do characters and so it's me and

1333
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 3: my friend Randy. There's a great band called chat Pile.

1334
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 3: You should have my friend Ray on the show because

1335
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 3: he's a real movie guy, and so we play these

1336
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 3: characters who we just talk about VHS tapes, but we're like,

1337
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 3: you know, watch dudes in a storage unit and we're

1338
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 3: saying this movie is like, this movie is so good,

1339
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 3: you know, and but we're with the we're with tapes,

1340
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 3: but they're usually art house films, you know. So that's

1341
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:12,679
Speaker 3: there's the joke. This was directed by Maurice Pilot.

1342
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yes, definitely check that out. It's a

1343
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 1: great show. Josh. You're wonderful. We love having you on.

1344
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: We'll definitely fun. I wish we could talk all day.

1345
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 1: Check out Josh's stuff and thank you so much, Josh.

1346
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me.

1347
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 2: Thanks Josh.

1348
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 1: Okay, we are nearing the end of our show, Millie again,

1349
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: it's ending. I can't believe it. Uh. And we have

1350
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 1: a voicemail in our film advice column. If anybody wants

1351
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: film advice, please write in. But we've got a voicemail

1352
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 1: for you. Let's listen to this.

1353
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 5: I'm Millian Casey. My name is Casey too. I'm wondering

1354
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 5: what would you pair your favorite movie with in terms

1355
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 5: of a meal to create an overall sense of ambiance

1356
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 5: and environment. For example, one Valentine's Day, my husband and

1357
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 5: I watched The Godfather and had spaghetti and meatballs. What

1358
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:31,560
Speaker 5: comes to mind for you for a perfect pairing of

1359
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 5: film and food? Thank you, love the show.

1360
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Casey. You know I'm going to

1361
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 1: answer a question from another Casey. Well, this just reminds

1362
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 1: me of something. I'm bringing up my mother again. One

1363
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 1: time we had a Napoleon Dynamite party and my mom

1364
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 1: made steak and tater tots with served with a glass

1365
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: of milk, and we watched Napoleon Dynamite.

1366
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 2: Very huge.

1367
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 1: That was That was a great pairing that, you know,

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01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 1: that was a created a sort of ambiance for that.

1369
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 1: I was also thinking about I could have I could

1370
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 1: watch one of my favorite movies, Blue Velvet, and have

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01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:15,679
Speaker 1: a Heineken or PEPs blue ribbon, and I could serve

1372
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:20,799
Speaker 1: that with I don't know, an ear shaped cake or something.

1373
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:22,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. Did you do anything come to your

1374
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 1: mind for you for this, Millie, Yeah, I.

1375
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 2: Mean so many things, right, It's the best thing, Like

1376
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 2: when I uh, I've talked about this before. I have

1377
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 2: a group of individuals that I'm friends with here in

1378
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 2: Atlanta that we've had this erotic thriller movie club for

1379
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:43,799
Speaker 2: like a long time. I want to say it's probably

1380
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 2: going on seven eight years at this point. Wow, early

1381
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 2: adopters to the revival. I'm just throwing it out there again.

1382
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 2: We we usually do a table what we call a

1383
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 2: table scape, which is we have to create a t

1384
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 2: that is representative of the movie we're watching. So there's

1385
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 2: all kinds of like food tie ins, you know. Like,

1386
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you one of my proudest moments as

1387
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 2: a person who's who bakes occasionally. I'm not gonna call

1388
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:16,600
Speaker 2: myself like a baker. I'm just saying I like to

1389
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 2: make food sometimes. I made a Boxing Helena cake.

1390
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 1: Oh no, there's pictures of it.

1391
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 2: I that was one of my most fun things that

1392
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 2: I ever made. And I literally made it like I

1393
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 2: made a topper like a wedding, like a wedding topper. Actually,

1394
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 2: you know what's I'm gonna I'm gonna bring this back

1395
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 2: to director Bong again.

1396
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: Uh huh. Well, just for those who don't know about

1397
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 1: Boxing Elena, it's a nineteen ninety three Uh. I guess

1398
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 1: you could say erotic thriller about a rich surgeon played

1399
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 1: by Julian Sands, who operates on the object of his

1400
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 1: obsession is grotesquely disfigured aloof neighbor Sherylyn Fenn. So there's

1401
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 1: some unnecessary surgery going on in that movie. Directed by

1402
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 1: David Lynch's daughter, right, Jennifer Lynch, Yes, and shot in Atlanta.

1403
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 2: Down the streets from where I live, I know. So

1404
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 2: uh yeah, so I'm going to bring this back to

1405
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 2: director Bong.

1406
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 1: Yes.

1407
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 2: So there is a dish that is in the movie Parasite.

1408
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 1: Uh huh, Yes, that is called rom dawn.

1409
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 2: Yes, right, that uh, the mom of the family makes

1410
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 2: for the child. That's what's coming home. When I first

1411
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 2: saw that movie, I was like, I gotta have this,

1412
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 2: Like this looks fucking delicious.

1413
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: Totally.

1414
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 2: And before I even really knew about crane food or anything,

1415
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 2: I was just like, I don't even know what it's called.

1416
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 2: I just got to google it. But and I'm not

1417
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 2: saying I know a lot of about cream food now,

1418
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 2: but I'm just saying it's basically like what they call Chappaghetty,

1419
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 2: which I don't even know if I'm saying that, right,

1420
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:12,680
Speaker 2: that's the brand that I know. But it's basically like

1421
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:19,600
Speaker 2: the noodles, the chappaghetti noodles. But then you put I

1422
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 2: think there's like maybe some spicy ood on noodles in there,

1423
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 2: and then like steak essentially, yeah, big junks. So when

1424
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 2: I was like we were preparing for this episode, I

1425
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:33,840
Speaker 2: was like, well, I just saw Parasite fairly recently, so

1426
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 2: I'm not going to watch it again, but I swear

1427
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:37,600
Speaker 2: if I watch it again, I'm making that shit and

1428
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 2: I'm eating it when I watch the movie.

1429
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 1: So yeah, well, well I think we should do an

1430
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 1: episode on food at some point, a food movie episode.

1431
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:50,599
Speaker 2: I agree, I'm I think that's an absolute no brainer

1432
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 2: for us.

1433
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:54,680
Speaker 1: In the cards anyways, thank you so much Casey for

1434
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:57,759
Speaker 1: writing in, or I should say, sending us a voicemail.

1435
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:00,879
Speaker 1: If you want to write in and are you need advice,

1436
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: you need help from us, please write into Dear Movies

1437
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 1: at exactly rightmedia dot com. You can send us an email,

1438
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 1: or you can send us a voicemail like Casey did,

1439
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 1: keep it under sixty seconds, and please record in a

1440
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 1: quiet place. Just not the quiet place because there will

1441
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 1: be monsters there trying to kill you. But please record

1442
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 1: in a quiet place. Is it what is the name

1443
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 1: of that movie? A quiet place?

1444
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 3: Right?

1445
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah, so don't record in the movie a quiet place,

1446
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 1: but record in a quiet room, I should say and yeah,

1447
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:36,759
Speaker 1: and then you can just email that to Deer Movies

1448
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 1: at exactly rightmedia dot com. Anyways, Millie, we're at the

1449
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 1: end of our show. It's time for employee picks.

1450
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 2: What you got, all right, so our employee picks. I

1451
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 2: feel like I extended this too. I don't know if

1452
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 2: you did. Maybe either Balm June Hoe the director or

1453
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:53,719
Speaker 2: Robert Pattinson.

1454
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 1: Yes, anything's allowed, anything that is inspired by the movies.

1455
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 2: Okay, fantastic. I will tell you to watch The Lighthouse

1456
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 2: from twenty nineteen. I feel like I briefly mentioned it

1457
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 2: when we did we talked about Nos Fratu a couple

1458
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 2: episodes ago. I this is my favorite Robert Digger's movie

1459
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:20,720
Speaker 2: so far. I loved Robert Pattinson in The Lighthouse. I

1460
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 2: thought this movie was so fucking funny and weird and

1461
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 2: wild and like, honestly, couldn't have gotten like two funnier

1462
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 2: dudes to be in a movie together like our Pats

1463
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 2: and Wilhem Dafoe. It was insane, funny, gross, hilarious, looked amazing,

1464
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 2: great like location, great costumes. So like, I don't know

1465
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 2: that to me. If you haven't seen The Lighthouse in

1466
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 2: a while. I didn't, it didn't come out like super

1467
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 2: long ago, but it's a good watch. You gotta watch again.

1468
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it shows our Pats is funny and can

1469
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:59,759
Speaker 1: do physical comedy. Yeah, that's where the seeds were planted.

1470
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 1: Feel like, yes, in the minds of many that he

1471
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 1: can do that. So yeah, fabulous. I was interested while

1472
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 1: I was watching Mickey seventeen because I was like, you know,

1473
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 1: Robert Pattinson has been in a different space movie where

1474
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 1: his body is basically being used as an experiment. And

1475
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 1: it's a very different movie than Mickey seventeen. It is

1476
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 1: a movie called High Life from twenty eighteen, directed by

1477
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 1: Claire Denie. Now, Mickey seventeen is a funny, fun movie.

1478
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 1: High Life is a scary, sad, dark movie. So totally

1479
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:41,679
Speaker 1: they're completely different. So if you don't want that experience,

1480
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 1: don't watch High Life. But basically, all of these prisoners,

1481
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 1: a group of criminals who are serving death sentences, are

1482
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:54,719
Speaker 1: sent in a mission into space to extract alternative energy

1483
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:59,839
Speaker 1: from a black hole. And it stars Robert Pattinson, Miaga,

1484
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 1: Juliette Bonoche, Andre Benjamin aka Andre three thousand and it

1485
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 1: is a very interesting, violent frightening movie, and it deals

1486
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 1: very much with the loneliness and vastness of space, but

1487
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 1: it also deals with like what happens when you put

1488
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 1: a bunch of crazy people together on a space ship

1489
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:29,679
Speaker 1: that's headed for a black hole. Yeah, a fascinating film,

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Speaker 1: really really fascinating sci fi. And if you like Claire Denis,

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Speaker 1: she's a famed French director. She did a movie from

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine called Beautravie. She's done so many. Trouble

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Speaker 1: every Day is another great movie of hers. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: definitely check out High Life if you're ready, if you're

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Speaker 1: prepared for a really rough ride through space. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: my wreck.

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Speaker 2: Good one.

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Speaker 1: Well, Millie, can you believe we're at the end of

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Speaker 1: another episode? Unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: I know I'm hungry now, me too.

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Speaker 1: I think it's because it's just dinner time.

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Speaker 2: Well in my brain, it's like I don't know my brain,

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Speaker 2: it's like five thirty in the morning or something. But

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Speaker 1: That's right. Well, Millie, thank you for another great episode

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Speaker 1: of this wondrous podcast. Thank you Josh Fadam for a

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Speaker 1: great conversation. Love that guy, check his stuff out and yeah,

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Speaker 1: that'll about do it.

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Speaker 2: Yep, that's it, See you guys next time.

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Speaker 1: Bye.

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Speaker 2: This has been an Exactly Right production hosted by me

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Speaker 2: Millie to Cherico and produced by my co host, Casey O'Brien.

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Speaker 1: This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfogel, our associate producer

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Speaker 1: is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and

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Speaker 1: our artwork is by Vanessa Ilac.

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Speaker 2: the entire world the Softies.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgarriff, Georgia hard Stark,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Kramer and Millie. To Jerico, we

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Speaker 2: Love you, Goodbye, Beca