WEBVTT - Rise in Antisemitism

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<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to it could happen here, the show about the

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<v Speaker 2>slow end of the world and all the small little

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<v Speaker 2>things that are kind of pushing us that way. Isn't

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<v Speaker 2>that exciting?

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<v Speaker 1>New Year?

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<v Speaker 3>Knew me?

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<v Speaker 1>Not not really.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of doing the same stuff, mostly staring into

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<v Speaker 2>the abyss and seeing what stares back. Staring at the

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<v Speaker 2>abyss with me today is Mia Wong. Hello, Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for joining me. Oh boy, the abyss is is looking

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<v Speaker 2>real choppy today, real abyssle.

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<v Speaker 3>You could say, the waves coming out of it are

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<v Speaker 3>staring back at you real hard. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So we're gonna talk today about anti semitism, So

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<v Speaker 2>I guess content warning in case you don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>hear it a whole bunch of anti Semitic stuff. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not just gonna be repeating anti semmetic things. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>this is just the topic for the whole episode. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the past few months there has been a pretty dramatic

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<v Speaker 2>rise in antisemitism, ranging from physical attacks, vandalism, and lots

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<v Speaker 2>of rhetoric. Now, there's a few factors that I think

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<v Speaker 2>make this a little bit tricky to talk about, which

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<v Speaker 2>is why it's taken me a while to put this together. Firstly,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to avoid getting into like oppression Olympics here, Right,

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<v Speaker 2>talking about one bad thing does not negate many other

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<v Speaker 2>bad things that are happening concurrently. Having a discussion about

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<v Speaker 2>a very troubling rise in anti semitism and a state

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<v Speaker 2>backed ethnic cleansing do not need to be mutually exclusive

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<v Speaker 2>topics of discussion. Right. We can say both of these

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<v Speaker 2>things are actually pretty bad. And today we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be talking specifically about anti semitism. And I think you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this show has had a history of reporting on anti

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<v Speaker 2>fascist movements and attempts to stop fascist entryism and promoting

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<v Speaker 2>of anti Semitism, So this topic is well within our

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<v Speaker 2>regular wheelhouse and there is a decent bit to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about now. The second thing that makes this topic a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit tricky is that some of the big extremism

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<v Speaker 2>research groups that typically do the most accessible cataloging of

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<v Speaker 2>anti Semitic incidents have proven themselves to be slightly unreliable

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<v Speaker 2>on this topic for the past four months. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>not just my opinion, that's also the opinion of current

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<v Speaker 2>and former ADL employees who have been coming out against

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<v Speaker 2>director Jonathan greenblatz leadership choices, particularly since the October seventh

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas attack. Now, due to the nature of their job

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<v Speaker 2>versus my job, ADL analysts have a lot more dedicated

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<v Speaker 2>time and resources to cataloging alleged anti Semitic incidents. But

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<v Speaker 2>under Greenblatz direction, the whole of their data from the

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<v Speaker 2>past four months is heavily skewed to include anything expressing

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<v Speaker 2>anti Zionism as being included in their data about anti semitism,

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<v Speaker 2>and even anything deemed too sympathetic to Palestinians as being

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<v Speaker 2>a driver of anti Semitism. So that's the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>situation we have here with. You know, there's many issues

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<v Speaker 2>the ADL has had in the past, which we may

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<v Speaker 2>talked about in the future, but typically they've done an

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<v Speaker 2>okay job the past few years, specifically cataloging anti semitism

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<v Speaker 2>during the rise of the alt right. Their data is

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<v Speaker 2>often relatively reliable on this topic. Some of their other

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<v Speaker 2>data and other practices are very open to criticism. But

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<v Speaker 2>this is kind of one other factor that's gonna make

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<v Speaker 2>this a little bit tricky. Now, as like an example, right,

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is we can we can talk about

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<v Speaker 2>these things in abstract. I'm gonna talk about something from Atlanta,

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<v Speaker 2>because this is something I have some experience in. So

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<v Speaker 2>on the ADL's big map of antisemitic incidents from October

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<v Speaker 2>seventh to the present, if you zoom into Atlanta, there's

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<v Speaker 2>two incidents that are right next to each other. One

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<v Speaker 2>is a banner drop done by the Goiam Defense League,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a group of neo Nazis.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh God.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically they make ad some banners expressing pro Hitler statements

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<v Speaker 2>alongside slogans like free Palestine, and they put them up

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<v Speaker 2>above a really big road in Atlanta. Right, So this

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<v Speaker 2>is pretty standard neo Nazi anti Semitism using kind of

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<v Speaker 2>anti Zionism as this sort of mask but I mean

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<v Speaker 2>hit very thid, yes exactly, that's not really it's not

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<v Speaker 2>really masked because you also have a Hitler banner. But

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, if someone only sees one banner, be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a Palestine banner, but no, it's actually a Nazi banner.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have this incident logged. We also have another

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<v Speaker 2>incident blogged right beside it, from a protest a few

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<v Speaker 2>days later, which was an Inner Faith rally in support

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<v Speaker 2>of Palestine against the ongoing ethnic cleansing. That's happening in

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<v Speaker 2>Gaza with thousands and thousands of people being killed. So

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<v Speaker 2>we have this banner drop and we have this rally,

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<v Speaker 2>and both of these things are labeled as an anti

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<v Speaker 2>Semitic incident. They're both like equal in the eyes of

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<v Speaker 2>this data, which just isn't true. I was, I was

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<v Speaker 2>at this rally. I did not hear anything anti Semitic

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<v Speaker 2>coming from the speakers. Many of the speakers, if not

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<v Speaker 2>the majority of the speakers, were Jewish. There were a

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<v Speaker 2>group of Jewish counter protesters who showed up who started

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<v Speaker 2>many fights, fights which were very quickly de escalated by

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<v Speaker 2>the people who were putting on the rally. There was

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<v Speaker 2>this one woman who was carrying an Israeli flag on

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<v Speaker 2>his flagpole who kept hitting people with it. So there

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<v Speaker 2>was a lot of there's a lot of things going

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<v Speaker 2>on at this rally, but this was not an anti

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<v Speaker 2>Semitic rally. And in fact, the Jewish counter protesters were

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<v Speaker 2>extremely vitriolic. They were expressing explicit desire for genocide of Palestinians,

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<v Speaker 2>like very very gross stuff. It was. It was really disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>So both of these incidents, though, are seen as equal,

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<v Speaker 2>which just show that's just eas example to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>show how this data isn't really reliable that the ADL

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<v Speaker 2>is putting together here. Now, I really don't feel like

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<v Speaker 2>it's my place to go through the ADYLS database and

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<v Speaker 2>decide what is and is not antisemitism, right, Like, that's

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have the time, nor the money, normally the

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<v Speaker 2>authority to be like the arbiter of what is and

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<v Speaker 2>isn't anti Semitic.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Garrison, Garrison turning into the anti Semitism commissar.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's not that's not me, right. I have

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<v Speaker 2>a background in anti fascist research. I have a background

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<v Speaker 2>in neo Nazia driven anti semitism. Right, these are the

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<v Speaker 2>things I usually specialize in. But still, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>this is a massive this is a massive field. Antisemitism

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<v Speaker 2>is a complicated topic. Rhetoric can be complicated, and having

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<v Speaker 2>not attended or reviewed every single rally or incident in question,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm simply not equipped to make informed judgments. So for

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<v Speaker 2>that reason this episode I will focus mostly on physical attacks, threats,

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<v Speaker 2>and vandalism as opposed to the much more murky waters

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<v Speaker 2>of rhetoric, online rhetoric. And you know, just these these

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<v Speaker 2>there's been probably thousands of rallies across the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>I've not been to everyone, I've not watched every single speech,

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<v Speaker 2>I've not heard every single offhand comment, so I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to deal with those. Instead, I'm going to be

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<v Speaker 2>focusing on physical like in like IRL and things that

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<v Speaker 2>have a very a very clear result of the action.

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<v Speaker 2>So this mostly attacks threats vandalism. Anyway, moving on though,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess actually the one other thing about stats is

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<v Speaker 2>that when talking about this rise anti Semitism, because there's

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<v Speaker 2>been a lot of articles from mainstream news outlets being like,

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<v Speaker 2>here's the rise anti Semitism, and here's the stats. Another

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<v Speaker 2>thing pointing towards why these stats are unreliable and the

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<v Speaker 2>reason why I'm not going to be using them largely

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<v Speaker 2>is because many of the stats included and these articles

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<v Speaker 2>are crime stats, and these crime stats are also proving

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<v Speaker 2>to be heavily unreliable. For example, the Metropolitan Police claimed

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<v Speaker 2>that there was a one thousand and three hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty percent increase in anti Semitic hate crimes in London

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<v Speaker 2>during the first two and a half weeks of October,

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<v Speaker 2>with two hundred and eighteen anti Semitic offenses in London

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<v Speaker 2>during that time period compared to only fifteen in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two. But included in these stats are incidents like

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<v Speaker 2>the police in London arresting a man for tearing down

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<v Speaker 2>some of those hostage posters. That's one of the hate

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<v Speaker 2>crimes that they include in this and also the met

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<v Speaker 2>said that that's the Metropolitan Police said that chanting from

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<v Speaker 2>the river to the sea near Jewish people or near

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish buildings during a protest would be deemed unlawful. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think there is a debate to be had whether

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<v Speaker 2>if you're just protesting outside of a random Jewish building,

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<v Speaker 2>that's probably not great and that could be an indicator

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<v Speaker 2>of antisemitism, but having that chant be deemed unlawful for

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<v Speaker 2>just being near other Jewish people, Like I said, at

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<v Speaker 2>the rally in Atlanta, there was a whole bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish counter protesters who came to star Fights, So like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to be around Jewish people, if you're a

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<v Speaker 2>march you're marching around, or if you're outside in Israeli embassy,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a that's an it might opinion, a very valid

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<v Speaker 2>target for protest that would be considered a Jewish building.

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<v Speaker 2>So all of these stats are heavily, heavily skewed by

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<v Speaker 2>these by by these sorts of reasons for how how

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<v Speaker 2>how the met is, including things as being anti Semitic

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<v Speaker 2>hate crimes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I mean like this, like if you just

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<v Speaker 3>think about what the rationale is there for a second,

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<v Speaker 3>Like is a group of anti Zionist Jews chanting from

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<v Speaker 3>the river to the sea around themselves a hate crime?

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly rightight? Like this is nonsense? Like so, and also

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean. And also like this is

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<v Speaker 3>the British police, Like those are the most anti Semitic

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<v Speaker 3>motherfuckers this side of like the Ukrainian neo Nazis or something.

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<v Speaker 2>And like I do not doubt there was an actual

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<v Speaker 2>increase of anti Semitic attacks bendless hate speech. That that

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<v Speaker 2>is what we're talking about in this EP. So we

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<v Speaker 2>will be getting into many incidents, but it is difficult

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<v Speaker 2>to pin down some of what these really big stats

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<v Speaker 2>actually represent. Because if tearing down one of those silly

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<v Speaker 2>hamas wanted posters is being labeled a hate crime on

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<v Speaker 2>the same level as drawing a swastika on a synagogue,

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<v Speaker 2>that data is basically useless. And now I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>also worth mentioning just very very briefly, The Metropolitan Police

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<v Speaker 2>also recorded a one hundred and forty percent increase in

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<v Speaker 2>Islamophobic incidents during those first two and a half weeks

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<v Speaker 2>of October's that's forty two incidents in twenty twenty two

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<v Speaker 2>compared to one hundred and three incidents in twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>And while that percentage is lower than the anti Semitic

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<v Speaker 2>stat it also indicates how much more common Islamophobia in

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<v Speaker 2>London is because the regular amount of reported incidents from

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<v Speaker 2>last year is so much higher than the regular reported

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<v Speaker 2>amount of anti Semitic incidents. Like having forty two incidents

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<v Speaker 2>per like two and a half weeks, be the normal

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<v Speaker 2>stat is not great and maybe someone should look into

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<v Speaker 2>why British people are so islamophobic. I mean that there's

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<v Speaker 2>that that's a whole episode in and of itself. Is

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<v Speaker 2>Amophobia in the UK is a massive, massive problem. But

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<v Speaker 2>just as a comparison, I thought I might as well

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<v Speaker 2>say that we will we will get to Honkah next.

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<v Speaker 2>But it has already been thirteen minutes of me talking

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<v Speaker 2>about stats and giving disclaivers, so that means it's time

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<v Speaker 2>for an ad break. I'm not going to do a

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<v Speaker 2>silly ad transition. Just listen to the ads. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>we are we are back. Since we just finally escaped

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<v Speaker 2>the holiday season, let's begin by talking about Honkkah. Public manoras,

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<v Speaker 2>often without any extra like iconography tying them to the

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<v Speaker 2>state of Israel, were a frequent target of vandalism and

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<v Speaker 2>anti Semitic messaging. During the months of December, a far

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<v Speaker 2>right member of parliament in Poland used a fire extinguisher

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<v Speaker 2>to blow at the candles on a manora in the

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<v Speaker 2>lobby of Parliament. A public manora in London had its

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<v Speaker 2>light bulbs smashed with a free Palestine sticker placed onto

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<v Speaker 2>the front, and then days later it was found toppled

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<v Speaker 2>over and left in pieces. There's many of these incidents.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna name a few more, just because at

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<v Speaker 2>a certain point it kind of becomes redundant. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think these things are worth talking about. An eleven foot

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred and fifty pound manora next to Lake Mari

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<v Speaker 2>in Oakland was cut up and destroyed in mid December,

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<v Speaker 2>with pieces being thrown into the nearby lake. A message

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<v Speaker 2>was graffitied that led We're gonna find you. You're on alert.

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<v Speaker 2>It was also reported that there was graffiti left nearby

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<v Speaker 2>that read free Palestine in Arabic, but I can't confirm that.

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<v Speaker 2>The picture they have online does not match what free

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<v Speaker 2>Palestine in airbath looks like. But I'm not an expert

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<v Speaker 2>on Arabic, so I just can't confirm that. But that

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<v Speaker 2>is being reported in local Jewish newspapers. Manora sand sculpture

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<v Speaker 2>commissioned in Palm Beach was destroyed and left defaced with

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<v Speaker 2>a swastika outside of synagogue in a suburb of Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>d C. A manora was toppled over on the eve

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<v Speaker 2>of Honka, and two manoras were vandalized and damaged in

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<v Speaker 2>Brooklyn in early December by masked individuals. So one other

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<v Speaker 2>similar incident I will talk about, which is kind of interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>is that there was this pro Palestine protest at Yale

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<v Speaker 2>where a one of the protesters climbed up onto this

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<v Speaker 2>massive I don't know how tall it was, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was huge. They had to climb up pretty high on

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<v Speaker 2>this big public manora and placed a Palestinian flag kind

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<v Speaker 2>of around one of the little arms on the manora.

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<v Speaker 2>But very quickly, like within seconds of this happening, other

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<v Speaker 2>pro Palestine protesters, noticing this is kind of disrespectful, asked

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<v Speaker 2>this person to take it down, like almost almost immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a very a very quick exchange, and this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of sparked some peace people talking about you know,

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<v Speaker 2>is it okay to put Palestinian flags on manoras? Is

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<v Speaker 2>it okay to vandalize menoras? Which the answer is no,

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<v Speaker 2>The answer you shouldn't vandalize a menora. That's generally not great.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, people were saying and specifically pointing towards

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<v Speaker 2>like pictures of IDF soldiers who've been taking territory in Gaza,

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<v Speaker 2>who've been putting up menoras in Gaza, or like the

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli military doing these photo ops with big menoras in

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<v Speaker 2>different parts of gazas being like, hey, when there's this

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<v Speaker 2>active ethnic cleansing going on and soldiers are using this

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<v Speaker 2>religious iconography and it's being associated directly with this, with

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<v Speaker 2>this ongoing ethnic genocide, how can you blame people who

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be treating this symbol with hostility? And

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's a few problems with this idea. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to quote from this Jewish artist who goes by

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<v Speaker 2>underscore a nunnery who I think phrased this really well. Quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish symbols shouldn't be associated with Zionism or ceded to

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<v Speaker 2>them just because Zionists abuse them. If the monora were

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<v Speaker 2>put up by Zionists, as some explicitly Zionist display, then

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<v Speaker 2>putting up a Palestadian flag would be an active resistance.

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<v Speaker 2>If it's not, then it's just cementing the Zionist conflation

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<v Speaker 2>and exploitation of Jewish identity. There are more non Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>Zionists than there are Jews, unquote, and this gets at

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<v Speaker 2>a point which I think is really important when you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about anti Zionist activism. Attacking symbols of Jewish culture

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<v Speaker 2>in the name of anti Zionism only strengthens the cause

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<v Speaker 2>of Zionism by affirming the conflation of Judaism and Zionism,

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<v Speaker 2>or Judaism and the state of Israel. This conflation helps

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<v Speaker 2>Zionists shield their actions by abusing the Jewish identity and

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<v Speaker 2>making these two things be more like intersectional. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think that is one a strategic reason for why this

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<v Speaker 2>is a bad idea, and two it's maybe slightly anti Semitic.

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<v Speaker 2>So that is my little holiday section. Just because I

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<v Speaker 2>saw a whole bunch of stuff around these manoras, and

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't feel good about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like this sucks, Like please don't do this.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've seen some people like also using the comparison

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<v Speaker 2>of like would you also criticize indigenous people in America

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<v Speaker 2>for graffitiing or taking down images of like Christian iconography

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<v Speaker 2>and like, No, because the oppression faced by Christians and

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<v Speaker 2>the oppression faced by Jewish people are two different things.

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<v Speaker 2>Like these are actually historically these are very different things.

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<v Speaker 2>So no, these things actually cannot be compared in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>But now I'm going to talk about some international incidents

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<v Speaker 2>because I think we have a tendency to overfocus on

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<v Speaker 2>America when there's a whole bunch of other stuff happening

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, the rest of the world. Back in October,

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<v Speaker 2>a historic synagogue in Tunisia was burned down by a

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<v Speaker 2>mob of hundreds of people in response to reports that

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<v Speaker 2>in Israeli airstrike hit a hospital in Gaza. This sucked.

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<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't have to explain why burning down a historical

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<v Speaker 2>synagogue is anti Semitic because you don't like something the

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<v Speaker 2>State of Israel did. That's just that. Just isn't that

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<v Speaker 2>just isn't like that's just not se shit, Like come on, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So a month later in November, someone posted the video

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<v Speaker 2>online of themselves pouring fuel and setting fire to the

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<v Speaker 2>only synagogue in Armenia. The entrance was damaged in the

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<v Speaker 2>arsen attack, but no one was hurt. The only synagogue

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<v Speaker 2>in Vortswaft, Poland. Sorry I pride butchered that, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is a hard word, but the only synagogue in this

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<v Speaker 2>town of Poland to survive the Holocaust was defaced with

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<v Speaker 2>graffiti that read quote Israel criminals and murderers unquote and

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<v Speaker 2>then like a week, I guess. Earlier that week a

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<v Speaker 2>group of teenagers also destroyed a anura in this same town.

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<v Speaker 2>In mid October, Maltov cocktails were thrown at a synagogue

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<v Speaker 2>in Berlin after Hanukkah. In Belgium, a Jewish cemetery was

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<v Speaker 2>vandalized with swastikas on gravestones. In late In late November,

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<v Speaker 2>a Maltav cocktail was thrown at a Jewish community center

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<v Speaker 2>in Montreal. Earlier that month, shots were fired at two

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<v Speaker 2>different Jewish schools in Montreal in three different incidents, and

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<v Speaker 2>four Holocaust memorials in Germany were vandalized with a mix

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<v Speaker 2>of anti Semitic and anti Zionist messages. So again, like

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<v Speaker 2>when I was looking at these ones once in Germany,

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<v Speaker 2>the actual content of about half of these messages were

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<v Speaker 2>not anti Semitic. But the act of doing this at

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<v Speaker 2>a at a at a Holocaust memorial just is like

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<v Speaker 2>it it gives me the ick. And there's arguments could

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<v Speaker 2>be made that this does actually play into antisemitic troops,

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<v Speaker 2>like you're what, You're blaming dead Jewish people for the

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<v Speaker 2>actions of the current state of Israel, like that's it's

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<v Speaker 2>it just And also half half of these messages left

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<v Speaker 2>at these at these Holocaust memorial sites were also just

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<v Speaker 2>blatantly at anti Semitic, like very very clearly like Nazi

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<v Speaker 2>style stuff. I don't have time to go over all

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<v Speaker 2>of the incidents across the Europe. There is a great

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<v Speaker 2>deal many. There's many, many, many that I've not mentioned.

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<v Speaker 2>These are just a few. Like I said, I'm focusing

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<v Speaker 2>on like vandalism, very very clear cut stuff. People doing

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<v Speaker 2>arson attacks, right, it's just very very basic stuff. This

0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:33.399
<v Speaker 2>stuff in Montreal not great. Montreal, Canada, get your shit together.

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<v Speaker 2>Although unfortunately not surprising but still upsetting is Jews being

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<v Speaker 2>barred from shops across Turkey. And oh, there's a whole,

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<v Speaker 2>a whole bunch of very gross government government sponsored anti

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<v Speaker 2>semitism across Turkey campaigns to prohibit the sale of land

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<v Speaker 2>to Jewish people. A lot of a lot of bad

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<v Speaker 2>stuff in Turkey. But that's not incredibly surprising.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it's aired one like, yeah, he fucking

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<v Speaker 3>sucks ass and he' oh yeah. Er Erdwan is a

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<v Speaker 3>man who has personally ordered children to be burned alive

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<v Speaker 3>with firebombs, so you know this is not out of

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<v Speaker 3>character for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I guess finally, this one other thing about

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<v Speaker 2>Honkah is that so last month, right after the end

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<v Speaker 2>of Honkah, bomb threats were sent out en mass to

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<v Speaker 2>more than four hundred Jewish Jewish centers and synagogues across

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<v Speaker 2>the United States. This was most likely orchestrated by the

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<v Speaker 2>same kind of small number of individuals. All of the

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<v Speaker 2>messages were very similar. None of these were incredibly credible,

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<v Speaker 2>but it still sparked a whole bunch of bomb sweeps

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<v Speaker 2>and concerned because when Jewish synagogues get bomb threats, that's

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<v Speaker 2>not an empty threat. Either like this is like there

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<v Speaker 2>is historical precedent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and I also like think I think the everything

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<v Speaker 3>that's important about this too is like this, this is

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<v Speaker 3>you know, this is like one of the things is

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<v Speaker 3>the culmination of everything that Wright's been doing for the

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<v Speaker 3>last like eight years has been the development of like

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<v Speaker 3>this cadre of people who do bomb threats, calling in.

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<v Speaker 2>Bomb threats as a tactics. Yes. No, there's the concerted

0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:10.160
<v Speaker 2>effort for bomb threats at hospitals that provide transgender care,

0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:15.440
<v Speaker 2>abortion clinics. There was a string of weirdly organized bomb

0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:18.040
<v Speaker 2>threats against schools about a year or two ago. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think Robert did an episode on.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah now, and now we're here at you know, we're

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<v Speaker 3>at bomb threats you can synagogues, which is terrifying.

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<v Speaker 2>According to the Secure Community Network, a nonprofit security organization that

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<v Speaker 2>tracks threats made against Jewish communities, bomb threats and swatting

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<v Speaker 2>incidents basically freight trying to get a swat team to

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<v Speaker 2>show up somewhere because you lied about there being like

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<v Speaker 2>an ongoing crime or something. But bomb threats and swatting

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<v Speaker 2>incidents targeted against Jewish centers saw over a five hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent increase in twenty twenty three compared to the previous year,

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<v Speaker 2>which I have no reason to believe is incorrect. So

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<v Speaker 2>on that note, I no, I don't really think we

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<v Speaker 2>could have a bomb threat. Segue to two ads. I

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<v Speaker 2>really don't really don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't do bombs.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't do bomb threats typically, is what I got. Yeah, typically? Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>h do you know what else is to bomb these ads? Okay, fine,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, we are back.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe the worst air transition we've ever done.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not true, That is definitely not true.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, okay, you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So during this last section, I'm gonna talk a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more about data aggregation. So, like I said

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<v Speaker 2>previously in this episode, due to the nature of what

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<v Speaker 2>my job is and the nature of what an ADL

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<v Speaker 2>analyst's job is, they just have a lot more time

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<v Speaker 2>to dedicate towards specifically logging anti Semitic incidents. So I

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<v Speaker 2>did look through their data set, and I've made some

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<v Speaker 2>extrapolations based on some of the findings and some of

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<v Speaker 2>the open source data that they have regarding specific incidents.

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<v Speaker 2>So on that note, the ADL has logged around one

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and one hundred anti Semitic incidents since October seventh,

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<v Speaker 2>not related to protest rallies. So this is specifically all

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<v Speaker 2>the incidents that are not related to these big pro

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<v Speaker 2>Palestinian Interfaith many Jewish led rallies. Now I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>that nothing anti Semitic has not happened at any of

0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:36.479
<v Speaker 2>those rallies, but these rallies were logged simply as quote

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<v Speaker 2>anti Israel rallies which featured over anti Semitism, anti Zionism,

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<v Speaker 2>and or expressions of support for terror. So crammed in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of that explanation is just anti Zionism. So

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<v Speaker 2>that is one thing they are just counting as being

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<v Speaker 2>enough to be logged as an anti Semitic incident. So

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<v Speaker 2>again I'm not going through the over like one thousand

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<v Speaker 2>rallies that they have logged here just because I don't

0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:08.400
<v Speaker 2>have the time and I don't feel like it. But yes,

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<v Speaker 2>just for full transparency, that is the information I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to be looking at. Instead, I'm looking at these

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<v Speaker 2>one thousand and one hundred other incidents not related to

0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:21.680
<v Speaker 2>these protests. So these one thousand, one hundred harassment and

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<v Speaker 2>vandals of incidents include things from anti Zionist slash, anti

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<v Speaker 2>Israel stickers and graffiti being left at universities and synagogues,

0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:32.520
<v Speaker 2>the latter which I believe is in poor taste, but

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<v Speaker 2>also you know swastikas being painted on synagogues, extremely anti

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<v Speaker 2>Semitic messages being left at Jewish centers, and street harassment

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<v Speaker 2>targeting visibly Jewish people, as well as just overt to

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<v Speaker 2>neo Nazi activity under the banner of free Palestine. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>of these over one thousand and one hundred incidents, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>say that a very small minority of them are principled

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<v Speaker 2>anti Zionist activism, which has been mislabeled. Most of the

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<v Speaker 2>data in these one thousand incidents is just blatant anti semitism.

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<v Speaker 2>I are specifically directed towards just regular Jewish people. People

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<v Speaker 2>writing kill Jews and bathroom stalls, threats being sent to

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish people mentioning Hitler or Hermas, a lot of just

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<v Speaker 2>extremely gross stuff. There's too many. There's too many, just

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<v Speaker 2>like threats that mentioned the word Jews, that I just

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<v Speaker 2>can't even read them all, nor do I want to,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's just gross. Like there is a truly upsetting number,

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<v Speaker 2>which is why I wanted to make this episode in

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<v Speaker 2>the first place is because I've been seeing this pretty

0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:38.840
<v Speaker 2>big rise of anti semitism. Other people have as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and I felt like this wasn't probably being as talked

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<v Speaker 2>about as much as it should be among the anti

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<v Speaker 2>fascist left, because you know, everyone's focusing on this ethnic

0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:49.880
<v Speaker 2>cleansing that's happening, because that is very bad. But meanwhile,

0:25:49.920 --> 0:25:52.960
<v Speaker 2>there's this other massive problem that if you care about

0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:57.520
<v Speaker 2>fascist entryism, if you care about anti Semitic behavior and

0:25:57.600 --> 0:26:01.400
<v Speaker 2>actions being either a lie to happen in leftist spaces

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<v Speaker 2>or just happening in general, Like a lot of the

0:26:03.600 --> 0:26:06.840
<v Speaker 2>stuff is being done by fascists who are not who

0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:09.080
<v Speaker 2>are not you know, going to a pro Palestine rally

0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:12.320
<v Speaker 2>because they believe in anti imperialism. But there's just a

0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:14.200
<v Speaker 2>lot of this stuff happening, which is why I think

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<v Speaker 2>it is needing to be talked about.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a number of instances that are logged in

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<v Speaker 2>these one thousand, one hundred incidents here, such as you know,

0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:27.320
<v Speaker 2>for I'm just gonna I'm gonna pull from actual examples.

0:26:27.560 --> 0:26:29.480
<v Speaker 2>But also this is kind of generalizing because this was

0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:33.560
<v Speaker 2>also reflecting a small trend things like pro Palestine phrases

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:37.639
<v Speaker 2>being yelled at random Jewish people on the street, having

0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:41.879
<v Speaker 2>like Antizionist stickers being poorly placed in different locations, like

0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:47.359
<v Speaker 2>at a Jewish cemetery, vandalizing non political Jewish owned businesses

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:50.960
<v Speaker 2>with anti Zionist phrases, even like breaking the windows of

0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:54.960
<v Speaker 2>random Jewish owned businesses with no ties to Israel or

0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:58.920
<v Speaker 2>the IDF and leaving anti Zionist phrases or pro Palestine

0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:04.240
<v Speaker 2>phrases next to these broken windows. Now, while the content

0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 2>of what's being actually said in these incidents may not

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:12.480
<v Speaker 2>be like anti Semitic in nature by itself, right, like

0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:16.879
<v Speaker 2>just having very basic anti Sionist phrases being graffeited that

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:22.920
<v Speaker 2>may not be anti Semitic itself, like that combination of words.

0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:27.320
<v Speaker 2>This sort of activity, though, plays into a classic anti

0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:31.080
<v Speaker 2>Semitic kind of trope, as if every like random Jewish

0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:35.360
<v Speaker 2>person is somehow in part responsible for the actions of Israel.

0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 2>And it also conflates Jewish identity with Zionism, which is

0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:42.359
<v Speaker 2>the problem that we were talking about before when we

0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:45.440
<v Speaker 2>started this episode, right when I was talking about the

0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:48.800
<v Speaker 2>stuff with Hanuka just a few hours ago. As of

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:55.840
<v Speaker 2>time of recording, the corvalis anti fascist branch. I guess, yeah, yeah,

0:27:56.440 --> 0:27:58.439
<v Speaker 2>I think they're a member of Torch put out this

0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:01.359
<v Speaker 2>thread about how the GDL, the Going Defense League. We

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:03.400
<v Speaker 2>talked about them previously in this episode. They're a big

0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:06.359
<v Speaker 2>group of organized neo Nazis that spread a lot of

0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:12.720
<v Speaker 2>anti Semitic stuff, how they hijacked a city council meeting

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:17.040
<v Speaker 2>to spread anti Semitic stuff during a discussion of a

0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:22.720
<v Speaker 2>during a discussion about a ceasefire resolution. And I think

0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:25.800
<v Speaker 2>they kind of ended their thread by talking about how

0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:29.359
<v Speaker 2>it is extremely important to call out the conflation of

0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 2>the Jewish people with the genocidal actions of the State

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:35.960
<v Speaker 2>of Israel and assertions that the media is controlled by

0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 2>Jews or that regular Jews have some kind of say

0:28:40.240 --> 0:28:43.000
<v Speaker 2>in everything that's happening, right, It gets in this kind

0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:47.080
<v Speaker 2>of like cabalish notion. Now back to kind of the

0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 2>data that I was talking about, These sorts of incidents

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:56.200
<v Speaker 2>are vastly, vastly outweighed by the number of just overt

0:28:56.280 --> 0:28:59.560
<v Speaker 2>jew hatred, invoking of anti Semitic conspiracy theories, calling for

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:02.880
<v Speaker 2>the death of use and swastikas. But I still think

0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:06.280
<v Speaker 2>it's extremely important to mention because the targeting of random

0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 2>Jewish people and businesses itself. That is a form of

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:13.120
<v Speaker 2>anti Semitism, and this activity helps to reinforce the abuse

0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:16.560
<v Speaker 2>of the Jewish identity by inextricately linking it to Zionism,

0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 2>which only strengthens the Zionist ideology. So that's that's that's

0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:24.680
<v Speaker 2>my little mini rant about the way we've been seeing

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:25.800
<v Speaker 2>some of these things play out.

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:31.240
<v Speaker 2>Many of these over a thousand incidents logged use anti

0:29:31.360 --> 0:29:35.080
<v Speaker 2>Zionism as a sort of cover for just spreading anti Semitism,

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:39.920
<v Speaker 2>particularly from known white supremacist and neo Nazi groups. The

0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:42.720
<v Speaker 2>GDL is a good example. There's also groups like White

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:45.560
<v Speaker 2>Lives Matter and a number of others that I could

0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:48.680
<v Speaker 2>name that When you're looking through the ADL's data on

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:53.080
<v Speaker 2>these one thousand or so incidents, a large large amount

0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:56.520
<v Speaker 2>of them are done by the Goum Defense League, the GDL,

0:29:57.160 --> 0:30:00.880
<v Speaker 2>And this is this is this is a strategic thing

0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:04.240
<v Speaker 2>for them, right They're seeing the kind of moment that

0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:06.840
<v Speaker 2>people are in culturally, the way people are talking about Israel,

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:10.840
<v Speaker 2>and if they can find a way to squeeze in

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 2>their neo Nazi talking points kind of under this under

0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 2>this very very thin Palestine kind of Veneer. That's great

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 2>for them. If they can get people to start almost

0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:26.719
<v Speaker 2>mindlessly repeating their style of talking points, that's great for them. Right,

0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:29.280
<v Speaker 2>it makes sense why they're putting so much time and

0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:32.440
<v Speaker 2>dedication to this, because they're trying to use this moment

0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:37.200
<v Speaker 2>and abuse the thousands of people who might be more

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:40.400
<v Speaker 2>susceptible to this right now to spread their ideology and

0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:44.400
<v Speaker 2>to do and to do entryism like this is a

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:47.480
<v Speaker 2>part of what their tactic is. So while it's true

0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:51.080
<v Speaker 2>that many of these incidents do come from explicitly Nazi groups,

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:56.680
<v Speaker 2>there's also just a really upsettingly and shockingly large number

0:30:56.720 --> 0:31:00.880
<v Speaker 2>of them that come from students, students from middle school

0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:04.600
<v Speaker 2>to college, who are ostensibly anti Israel but are going

0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:10.080
<v Speaker 2>about it via targeting random Jewish people and spreading anti Semitism,

0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:12.600
<v Speaker 2>whether that's intended or not. But a lot of the

0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:15.520
<v Speaker 2>talking points are just anti Semitic talking points. Now, I

0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 2>can't I'm not in the heads of anybody. I'm not

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:21.040
<v Speaker 2>talking to the twelve year old in some middle school

0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:24.560
<v Speaker 2>in Colorado who's leaving anti Semitic messages in a bathroom stall.

0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:29.040
<v Speaker 2>But the effect is kind of the same, and just

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:33.560
<v Speaker 2>the sheer number of specifically like like like middle school,

0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:37.200
<v Speaker 2>junior high, high school, instance, that are logged among this

0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:40.720
<v Speaker 2>thousand was just incredibly incredibly distressing.

0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:45.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I I mean I think, I think a

0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:49.480
<v Speaker 3>lot of what's going on here is that, like the

0:31:49.640 --> 0:31:53.760
<v Speaker 3>US is a culturally Christian society, right like it has

0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:57.760
<v Speaker 3>like of the developed countries, the US is like one

0:31:57.800 --> 0:32:02.560
<v Speaker 3>of the most Christian and American Christianity. And this is

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:09.920
<v Speaker 3>true of like in different ways, of like just basically

0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 3>all of the major Christian nominations are enormously anti Semitic,

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:16.680
<v Speaker 3>like and there're any Seminican theory in different in different,

0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:18.760
<v Speaker 3>in weird ways. Like I mean, I spent some time

0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:23.280
<v Speaker 3>recently for something else, like reading about like this argument

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 3>between like the evangelicals who are like, we need to

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:27.560
<v Speaker 3>we need to have all the Jews go back to

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 3>Israel so that we can bring about the Second Coming,

0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:33.040
<v Speaker 3>and they were going to fight with the the hard

0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:37.040
<v Speaker 3>line like right wing Lutherans, and the hard hardline right

0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:39.240
<v Speaker 3>wing Lutherans are like, what the fuck do you mean? Like, no,

0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:41.760
<v Speaker 3>like the Holy Land belongs to us, not the Jews.

0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:43.280
<v Speaker 3>What the fuck are you guys doing? Right, It's like

0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:46.840
<v Speaker 3>this is the baseline of American society, right, it's unbelievably

0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:52.160
<v Speaker 3>anti Semitic in ways that you know, are are just

0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 3>sort of passed down through like like culture, are culturally

0:32:55.840 --> 0:33:00.560
<v Speaker 3>received and absorbed in ways that people don't like see

0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:03.400
<v Speaker 3>or understand or think about, because it's just it's it's

0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:05.240
<v Speaker 3>the wall, it's the water that America that you know,

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:07.520
<v Speaker 3>you swim in in American culture in this sort of

0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:13.000
<v Speaker 3>like like this hedemonic Christian society. And that means that

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 3>like even people with like at least in their heads,

0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:19.160
<v Speaker 3>good intentions get caught up in this ship. And it's

0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:20.480
<v Speaker 3>fun yeah, and bad.

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:22.960
<v Speaker 2>And there's also at the same time a very concerted

0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:28.480
<v Speaker 2>effort to slide in the anti Jewish extremism, anti Semitic rhetoric,

0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 2>to slide that in sometimes covertly sometimes not into into

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 2>lots of mainstream discourse and exchanges, and social media specifically

0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 2>TikTok has been really has been really bad at this,

0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:43.280
<v Speaker 2>which is where a lot of young people spend probably

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:45.440
<v Speaker 2>the majority of their day if they're going to be

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:48.080
<v Speaker 2>looking at their phone, and it's it's I said, I

0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:50.040
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to get into like social media rhetoric. But

0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:52.240
<v Speaker 2>also just like as someone who spent a lot of

0:33:52.320 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 2>time on four chan and eight chan looking specifically at Nazis.

0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:59.640
<v Speaker 2>The way Twitter currently works is like it is just

0:33:59.840 --> 0:34:03.840
<v Speaker 2>for chan eight chan level stuff pretty commonly. Like if

0:34:03.880 --> 0:34:07.200
<v Speaker 2>I look at the quote tweets of any almost any

0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:10.120
<v Speaker 2>tweet made by a Jewish person, there is there is

0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:15.080
<v Speaker 2>just some of the most atrocious, unmoderated anti semitism that

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 2>I've seen on a platform like like Twitter, Like this

0:34:18.760 --> 0:34:21.399
<v Speaker 2>is this is really like eight chan level stuff, I think,

0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:24.840
<v Speaker 2>And this isn't intentional to slide this stuff in to

0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:29.319
<v Speaker 2>make it look normalized. The ADL reported a nearly one

0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:33.360
<v Speaker 2>thousand percent increase in the daily average of violent messages

0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:37.239
<v Speaker 2>mentioning Jews and Israel in white supremacist and right wing

0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:41.600
<v Speaker 2>extremist channels on Telegram in the days following the October

0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:46.080
<v Speaker 2>seventh massacre. So this, this is something that is specifically

0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:49.160
<v Speaker 2>being done in far right spaces. I'm gonna quote again

0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:53.520
<v Speaker 2>from this corbalis against fascism. The struggle for the liberation

0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 2>of Palestine is one of the most pressing of our time.

0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:59.239
<v Speaker 2>It's imperative that we shut down anti Semitic attempts to

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:03.200
<v Speaker 2>co p that strug immediately, which if you care about

0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:08.279
<v Speaker 2>the liberation of Palestine and Palestadtian people, this is something

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:11.200
<v Speaker 2>you also need to be concerned about because these two

0:35:11.200 --> 0:35:15.800
<v Speaker 2>things are linked. There's twenty seven assaults have been reported.

0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:18.839
<v Speaker 2>Around eight of these assaults are stemming from fights which

0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 2>broke out at protest rallies. I'm not going to get

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:25.680
<v Speaker 2>into those ones as much because that can be tricky

0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:29.880
<v Speaker 2>because I've seen Zionists start fights like right next to

0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:33.040
<v Speaker 2>me before and then claim a victimhood like no, you're

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:37.120
<v Speaker 2>the one that started that. You swung a flagpole at

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:41.359
<v Speaker 2>these people, and then they de escalated very quickly, and

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:44.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there's incidents of the reverse happening. But a

0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:47.919
<v Speaker 2>majority of these assaults that have been reported are very

0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:51.440
<v Speaker 2>clear cut anti Semitic attacks targeted against Jewish people, some

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:53.919
<v Speaker 2>of which are quite frightening to read about. There's been

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:57.879
<v Speaker 2>a large number of a vehicle attacks. There was one

0:35:57.920 --> 0:36:01.440
<v Speaker 2>incident of someone breaking in to a Jewish family's home

0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:05.800
<v Speaker 2>and assaulting people inside their own home, and then also

0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:08.520
<v Speaker 2>there's been a number of incidents of just assaulting people

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:12.720
<v Speaker 2>as they leave synagogues. I've seen very very off start

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:16.239
<v Speaker 2>fights with people right next to That is kind of

0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:21.160
<v Speaker 2>what I had to say about this rise in anti Semitism,

0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:24.480
<v Speaker 2>because I saw this being a major problem that was

0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:26.920
<v Speaker 2>being not talked about as much as it should be.

0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:29.359
<v Speaker 2>Because this is it is higher than what we've seen

0:36:29.360 --> 0:36:33.480
<v Speaker 2>in years, not to even mention the rise in Islamophobia,

0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:37.080
<v Speaker 2>which is also a massive rise is in Islamophobia has

0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:40.280
<v Speaker 2>been happening the past four months, including resulting in murders.

0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Right Just in the four weeks after October seventh, the

0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:48.520
<v Speaker 2>Council on American Islamic Relations logged an unprecedented number of

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:52.879
<v Speaker 2>Islamophobic incidents. The research and advocacy director Corey Saylor said

0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:56.480
<v Speaker 2>in a statement, quote, both Islamophobia and anti Arab racism

0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:57.880
<v Speaker 2>are out of control in the ways we have not

0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 2>seen in almost ten years. The one thousand, two hundred

0:37:01.080 --> 0:37:03.200
<v Speaker 2>and eighty three complaints we have received over the past

0:37:03.280 --> 0:37:06.200
<v Speaker 2>month represent a two hundred and sixteen percent increase in

0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:09.840
<v Speaker 2>requests for help and reports of bias. The Islamophobic and

0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:13.440
<v Speaker 2>anti Palestinian rhetoric that have been used to justify both

0:37:14.320 --> 0:37:18.080
<v Speaker 2>violence against Palestinians and Gaza and silence supporters of Palestinian

0:37:18.120 --> 0:37:21.520
<v Speaker 2>human rights here in America have contributed to this unprecedented

0:37:21.560 --> 0:37:25.399
<v Speaker 2>surge in bigotry. It's just been bad the past four months. Yeah,

0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:29.680
<v Speaker 2>it's just things have been bad. There's been murders, there's

0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:34.960
<v Speaker 2>been assaults. It's it's horrible, and I think both of

0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:38.120
<v Speaker 2>these things are things that need to be interrogated more,

0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:42.880
<v Speaker 2>the Islamophobic incidents as well as anti Semitic incidents. So

0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:47.319
<v Speaker 2>that's what I wanted to talk about as I have

0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:51.640
<v Speaker 2>been slowly slowly logging more synagogue attacks, more death threats,

0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:54.560
<v Speaker 2>all of these sorts of stuff. So yeah, that's kind

0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:57.120
<v Speaker 2>of all I have to say today.

0:37:57.760 --> 0:38:01.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's real bad. I don't know. I mean,

0:38:03.680 --> 0:38:04.439
<v Speaker 3>it's that out there.

0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:07.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you care about the struggle of the

0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:11.960
<v Speaker 2>liberation of Palestine and the people in Palestine, you need

0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:15.760
<v Speaker 2>to if you see, if you see anything that plays

0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:18.800
<v Speaker 2>into these sorts of antisemitic tropes that we've talked about,

0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:25.320
<v Speaker 2>blaming just random Jewish people for what's going on, attacking

0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:29.000
<v Speaker 2>random Jewish owned businesses without any ties to the IDF,

0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:31.560
<v Speaker 2>without any ties to the State of Israel, just all

0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 2>of this stuff. It needs to be called out because

0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:38.920
<v Speaker 2>this actually, this sort of thing only strengthens the ideology

0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:42.960
<v Speaker 2>of Zionism. So if you call yourself an anti Zionist,

0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:46.680
<v Speaker 2>it is your imperative duty to be on the watch

0:38:46.680 --> 0:38:48.600
<v Speaker 2>for this sort of thing and stop it if you

0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:53.600
<v Speaker 2>see it. That's kind of the thesis at the end

0:38:53.600 --> 0:38:59.680
<v Speaker 2>of this All right, well, without further ado, I think

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<v Speaker 2>we will We'll end this episode. Stay safe out there, everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully this new year will be complete chaos for all

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