1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 2: Welcome to it could happen here, the show about the 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 2: slow end of the world and all the small little 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 2: things that are kind of pushing us that way. Isn't 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: that exciting? 6 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: New Year? 7 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 3: Knew me? 8 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: Not not really. 9 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: I'm kind of doing the same stuff, mostly staring into 10 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: the abyss and seeing what stares back. Staring at the 11 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: abyss with me today is Mia Wong. Hello, Thank you 12 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: for joining me. Oh boy, the abyss is is looking 13 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 2: real choppy today, real abyssle. 14 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 3: You could say, the waves coming out of it are 15 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 3: staring back at you real hard. Yeah. 16 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, So we're gonna talk today about anti semitism, So 17 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 2: I guess content warning in case you don't want to 18 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 2: hear it a whole bunch of anti Semitic stuff. I'm 19 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: not just gonna be repeating anti semmetic things. It's just 20 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 2: this is just the topic for the whole episode. So yeah, 21 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: the past few months there has been a pretty dramatic 22 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 2: rise in antisemitism, ranging from physical attacks, vandalism, and lots 23 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 2: of rhetoric. Now, there's a few factors that I think 24 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: make this a little bit tricky to talk about, which 25 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: is why it's taken me a while to put this together. Firstly, 26 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: I want to avoid getting into like oppression Olympics here, Right, 27 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 2: talking about one bad thing does not negate many other 28 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: bad things that are happening concurrently. Having a discussion about 29 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: a very troubling rise in anti semitism and a state 30 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: backed ethnic cleansing do not need to be mutually exclusive 31 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: topics of discussion. Right. We can say both of these 32 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: things are actually pretty bad. And today we're going to 33 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 2: be talking specifically about anti semitism. And I think you know, 34 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: this show has had a history of reporting on anti 35 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: fascist movements and attempts to stop fascist entryism and promoting 36 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: of anti Semitism, So this topic is well within our 37 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: regular wheelhouse and there is a decent bit to talk 38 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: about now. The second thing that makes this topic a 39 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: little bit tricky is that some of the big extremism 40 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: research groups that typically do the most accessible cataloging of 41 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 2: anti Semitic incidents have proven themselves to be slightly unreliable 42 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: on this topic for the past four months. And that's 43 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: not just my opinion, that's also the opinion of current 44 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: and former ADL employees who have been coming out against 45 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: director Jonathan greenblatz leadership choices, particularly since the October seventh 46 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: Hamas attack. Now, due to the nature of their job 47 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 2: versus my job, ADL analysts have a lot more dedicated 48 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 2: time and resources to cataloging alleged anti Semitic incidents. But 49 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 2: under Greenblatz direction, the whole of their data from the 50 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: past four months is heavily skewed to include anything expressing 51 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:55,279 Speaker 2: anti Zionism as being included in their data about anti semitism, 52 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: and even anything deemed too sympathetic to Palestinians as being 53 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: a driver of anti Semitism. So that's the kind of 54 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 2: situation we have here with. You know, there's many issues 55 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: the ADL has had in the past, which we may 56 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 2: talked about in the future, but typically they've done an 57 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: okay job the past few years, specifically cataloging anti semitism 58 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: during the rise of the alt right. Their data is 59 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: often relatively reliable on this topic. Some of their other 60 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 2: data and other practices are very open to criticism. But 61 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 2: this is kind of one other factor that's gonna make 62 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: this a little bit tricky. Now, as like an example, right, 63 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: this is this is we can we can talk about 64 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: these things in abstract. I'm gonna talk about something from Atlanta, 65 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: because this is something I have some experience in. So 66 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: on the ADL's big map of antisemitic incidents from October 67 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: seventh to the present, if you zoom into Atlanta, there's 68 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 2: two incidents that are right next to each other. One 69 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: is a banner drop done by the Goiam Defense League, 70 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: which is a group of neo Nazis. 71 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 3: Oh God. 72 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: Basically they make ad some banners expressing pro Hitler statements 73 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: alongside slogans like free Palestine, and they put them up 74 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 2: above a really big road in Atlanta. Right, So this 75 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 2: is pretty standard neo Nazi anti Semitism using kind of 76 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: anti Zionism as this sort of mask but I mean 77 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: hit very thid, yes exactly, that's not really it's not 78 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: really masked because you also have a Hitler banner. But 79 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 2: like you know, if someone only sees one banner, be like, oh, 80 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 2: it's a Palestine banner, but no, it's actually a Nazi banner. 81 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 2: So we have this incident logged. We also have another 82 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 2: incident blogged right beside it, from a protest a few 83 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 2: days later, which was an Inner Faith rally in support 84 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 2: of Palestine against the ongoing ethnic cleansing. That's happening in 85 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 2: Gaza with thousands and thousands of people being killed. So 86 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 2: we have this banner drop and we have this rally, 87 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 2: and both of these things are labeled as an anti 88 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: Semitic incident. They're both like equal in the eyes of 89 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 2: this data, which just isn't true. I was, I was 90 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 2: at this rally. I did not hear anything anti Semitic 91 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 2: coming from the speakers. Many of the speakers, if not 92 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 2: the majority of the speakers, were Jewish. There were a 93 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 2: group of Jewish counter protesters who showed up who started 94 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 2: many fights, fights which were very quickly de escalated by 95 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 2: the people who were putting on the rally. There was 96 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: this one woman who was carrying an Israeli flag on 97 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 2: his flagpole who kept hitting people with it. So there 98 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 2: was a lot of there's a lot of things going 99 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 2: on at this rally, but this was not an anti 100 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 2: Semitic rally. And in fact, the Jewish counter protesters were 101 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 2: extremely vitriolic. They were expressing explicit desire for genocide of Palestinians, 102 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: like very very gross stuff. It was. It was really disgusting. 103 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 2: So both of these incidents, though, are seen as equal, 104 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 2: which just show that's just eas example to kind of 105 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: show how this data isn't really reliable that the ADL 106 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: is putting together here. Now, I really don't feel like 107 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 2: it's my place to go through the ADYLS database and 108 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 2: decide what is and is not antisemitism, right, Like, that's 109 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: I don't have the time, nor the money, normally the 110 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: authority to be like the arbiter of what is and 111 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 2: isn't anti Semitic. 112 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, Garrison, Garrison turning into the anti Semitism commissar. 113 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's not that's not me, right. I have 114 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: a background in anti fascist research. I have a background 115 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: in neo Nazia driven anti semitism. Right, these are the 116 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 2: things I usually specialize in. But still, this is a 117 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: this is a massive this is a massive field. Antisemitism 118 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: is a complicated topic. Rhetoric can be complicated, and having 119 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 2: not attended or reviewed every single rally or incident in question, 120 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 2: I'm simply not equipped to make informed judgments. So for 121 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 2: that reason this episode I will focus mostly on physical attacks, threats, 122 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 2: and vandalism as opposed to the much more murky waters 123 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 2: of rhetoric, online rhetoric. And you know, just these these 124 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: there's been probably thousands of rallies across the United States. 125 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 2: I've not been to everyone, I've not watched every single speech, 126 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: I've not heard every single offhand comment, so I'm not 127 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: going to deal with those. Instead, I'm going to be 128 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: focusing on physical like in like IRL and things that 129 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: have a very a very clear result of the action. 130 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 2: So this mostly attacks threats vandalism. Anyway, moving on though, 131 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: I guess actually the one other thing about stats is 132 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: that when talking about this rise anti Semitism, because there's 133 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: been a lot of articles from mainstream news outlets being like, 134 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 2: here's the rise anti Semitism, and here's the stats. Another 135 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: thing pointing towards why these stats are unreliable and the 136 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 2: reason why I'm not going to be using them largely 137 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: is because many of the stats included and these articles 138 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 2: are crime stats, and these crime stats are also proving 139 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: to be heavily unreliable. For example, the Metropolitan Police claimed 140 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 2: that there was a one thousand and three hundred and 141 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: fifty percent increase in anti Semitic hate crimes in London 142 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 2: during the first two and a half weeks of October, 143 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: with two hundred and eighteen anti Semitic offenses in London 144 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: during that time period compared to only fifteen in twenty 145 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: twenty two. But included in these stats are incidents like 146 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: the police in London arresting a man for tearing down 147 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,679 Speaker 2: some of those hostage posters. That's one of the hate 148 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: crimes that they include in this and also the met 149 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 2: said that that's the Metropolitan Police said that chanting from 150 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 2: the river to the sea near Jewish people or near 151 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 2: Jewish buildings during a protest would be deemed unlawful. And 152 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 2: I think there is a debate to be had whether 153 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: if you're just protesting outside of a random Jewish building, 154 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: that's probably not great and that could be an indicator 155 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 2: of antisemitism, but having that chant be deemed unlawful for 156 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 2: just being near other Jewish people, Like I said, at 157 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,599 Speaker 2: the rally in Atlanta, there was a whole bunch of 158 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 2: Jewish counter protesters who came to star Fights, So like, 159 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 2: you're going to be around Jewish people, if you're a 160 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 2: march you're marching around, or if you're outside in Israeli embassy, 161 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 2: that's a that's an it might opinion, a very valid 162 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 2: target for protest that would be considered a Jewish building. 163 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: So all of these stats are heavily, heavily skewed by 164 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 2: these by by these sorts of reasons for how how 165 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: how the met is, including things as being anti Semitic 166 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 2: hate crimes. 167 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean like this, like if you just 168 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 3: think about what the rationale is there for a second, 169 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 3: Like is a group of anti Zionist Jews chanting from 170 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 3: the river to the sea around themselves a hate crime? 171 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 3: Exactly rightight? Like this is nonsense? Like so, and also 172 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And also like this is 173 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 3: the British police, Like those are the most anti Semitic 174 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 3: motherfuckers this side of like the Ukrainian neo Nazis or something. 175 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 2: And like I do not doubt there was an actual 176 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 2: increase of anti Semitic attacks bendless hate speech. That that 177 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 2: is what we're talking about in this EP. So we 178 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 2: will be getting into many incidents, but it is difficult 179 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: to pin down some of what these really big stats 180 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 2: actually represent. Because if tearing down one of those silly 181 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 2: hamas wanted posters is being labeled a hate crime on 182 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 2: the same level as drawing a swastika on a synagogue, 183 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 2: that data is basically useless. And now I think it's 184 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 2: also worth mentioning just very very briefly, The Metropolitan Police 185 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 2: also recorded a one hundred and forty percent increase in 186 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: Islamophobic incidents during those first two and a half weeks 187 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 2: of October's that's forty two incidents in twenty twenty two 188 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 2: compared to one hundred and three incidents in twenty twenty three. 189 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 2: And while that percentage is lower than the anti Semitic 190 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 2: stat it also indicates how much more common Islamophobia in 191 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 2: London is because the regular amount of reported incidents from 192 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 2: last year is so much higher than the regular reported 193 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: amount of anti Semitic incidents. Like having forty two incidents 194 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 2: per like two and a half weeks, be the normal 195 00:10:55,679 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 2: stat is not great and maybe someone should look into 196 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: why British people are so islamophobic. I mean that there's 197 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 2: that that's a whole episode in and of itself. Is 198 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 2: Amophobia in the UK is a massive, massive problem. But 199 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 2: just as a comparison, I thought I might as well 200 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 2: say that we will we will get to Honkah next. 201 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: But it has already been thirteen minutes of me talking 202 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 2: about stats and giving disclaivers, so that means it's time 203 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 2: for an ad break. I'm not going to do a 204 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: silly ad transition. Just listen to the ads. All right, 205 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 2: we are we are back. Since we just finally escaped 206 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 2: the holiday season, let's begin by talking about Honkkah. Public manoras, 207 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 2: often without any extra like iconography tying them to the 208 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: state of Israel, were a frequent target of vandalism and 209 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 2: anti Semitic messaging. During the months of December, a far 210 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 2: right member of parliament in Poland used a fire extinguisher 211 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 2: to blow at the candles on a manora in the 212 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 2: lobby of Parliament. A public manora in London had its 213 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 2: light bulbs smashed with a free Palestine sticker placed onto 214 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 2: the front, and then days later it was found toppled 215 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 2: over and left in pieces. There's many of these incidents. 216 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna name a few more, just because at 217 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 2: a certain point it kind of becomes redundant. But I 218 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 2: think these things are worth talking about. An eleven foot 219 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty pound manora next to Lake Mari 220 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 2: in Oakland was cut up and destroyed in mid December, 221 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: with pieces being thrown into the nearby lake. A message 222 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 2: was graffitied that led We're gonna find you. You're on alert. 223 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 2: It was also reported that there was graffiti left nearby 224 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 2: that read free Palestine in Arabic, but I can't confirm that. 225 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 2: The picture they have online does not match what free 226 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 2: Palestine in airbath looks like. But I'm not an expert 227 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 2: on Arabic, so I just can't confirm that. But that 228 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: is being reported in local Jewish newspapers. Manora sand sculpture 229 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 2: commissioned in Palm Beach was destroyed and left defaced with 230 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 2: a swastika outside of synagogue in a suburb of Washington, 231 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,719 Speaker 2: d C. A manora was toppled over on the eve 232 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 2: of Honka, and two manoras were vandalized and damaged in 233 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: Brooklyn in early December by masked individuals. So one other 234 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: similar incident I will talk about, which is kind of interesting, 235 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: is that there was this pro Palestine protest at Yale 236 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: where a one of the protesters climbed up onto this 237 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 2: massive I don't know how tall it was, but it 238 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 2: was huge. They had to climb up pretty high on 239 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 2: this big public manora and placed a Palestinian flag kind 240 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 2: of around one of the little arms on the manora. 241 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 2: But very quickly, like within seconds of this happening, other 242 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 2: pro Palestine protesters, noticing this is kind of disrespectful, asked 243 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: this person to take it down, like almost almost immediately. 244 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 2: This is a very a very quick exchange, and this 245 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 2: kind of sparked some peace people talking about you know, 246 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: is it okay to put Palestinian flags on manoras? Is 247 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 2: it okay to vandalize menoras? Which the answer is no, 248 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 2: The answer you shouldn't vandalize a menora. That's generally not great. 249 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 2: But you know, people were saying and specifically pointing towards 250 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 2: like pictures of IDF soldiers who've been taking territory in Gaza, 251 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 2: who've been putting up menoras in Gaza, or like the 252 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 2: Israeli military doing these photo ops with big menoras in 253 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: different parts of gazas being like, hey, when there's this 254 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: active ethnic cleansing going on and soldiers are using this 255 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 2: religious iconography and it's being associated directly with this, with 256 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: this ongoing ethnic genocide, how can you blame people who 257 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: are going to be treating this symbol with hostility? And 258 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 2: I think there's a few problems with this idea. I'm 259 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: going to quote from this Jewish artist who goes by 260 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: underscore a nunnery who I think phrased this really well. Quote. 261 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: Jewish symbols shouldn't be associated with Zionism or ceded to 262 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 2: them just because Zionists abuse them. If the monora were 263 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 2: put up by Zionists, as some explicitly Zionist display, then 264 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 2: putting up a Palestadian flag would be an active resistance. 265 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 2: If it's not, then it's just cementing the Zionist conflation 266 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 2: and exploitation of Jewish identity. There are more non Jewish 267 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 2: Zionists than there are Jews, unquote, and this gets at 268 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: a point which I think is really important when you're 269 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 2: talking about anti Zionist activism. Attacking symbols of Jewish culture 270 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 2: in the name of anti Zionism only strengthens the cause 271 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 2: of Zionism by affirming the conflation of Judaism and Zionism, 272 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: or Judaism and the state of Israel. This conflation helps 273 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 2: Zionists shield their actions by abusing the Jewish identity and 274 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 2: making these two things be more like intersectional. So I 275 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 2: think that is one a strategic reason for why this 276 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: is a bad idea, and two it's maybe slightly anti Semitic. 277 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 2: So that is my little holiday section. Just because I 278 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: saw a whole bunch of stuff around these manoras, and 279 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 2: I didn't feel good about it. 280 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, like this sucks, Like please don't do this. 281 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 2: And I've seen some people like also using the comparison 282 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 2: of like would you also criticize indigenous people in America 283 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 2: for graffitiing or taking down images of like Christian iconography 284 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: and like, No, because the oppression faced by Christians and 285 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 2: the oppression faced by Jewish people are two different things. 286 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: Like these are actually historically these are very different things. 287 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 2: So no, these things actually cannot be compared in my opinion. 288 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 2: But now I'm going to talk about some international incidents 289 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 2: because I think we have a tendency to overfocus on 290 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 2: America when there's a whole bunch of other stuff happening 291 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 2: and you know, the rest of the world. Back in October, 292 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: a historic synagogue in Tunisia was burned down by a 293 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: mob of hundreds of people in response to reports that 294 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 2: in Israeli airstrike hit a hospital in Gaza. This sucked. 295 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 2: I shouldn't have to explain why burning down a historical 296 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 2: synagogue is anti Semitic because you don't like something the 297 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 2: State of Israel did. That's just that. Just isn't that 298 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 2: just isn't like that's just not se shit, Like come on, yeah. 299 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 2: So a month later in November, someone posted the video 300 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 2: online of themselves pouring fuel and setting fire to the 301 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: only synagogue in Armenia. The entrance was damaged in the 302 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 2: arsen attack, but no one was hurt. The only synagogue 303 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 2: in Vortswaft, Poland. Sorry I pride butchered that, but it 304 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 2: is a hard word, but the only synagogue in this 305 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 2: town of Poland to survive the Holocaust was defaced with 306 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: graffiti that read quote Israel criminals and murderers unquote and 307 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 2: then like a week, I guess. Earlier that week a 308 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 2: group of teenagers also destroyed a anura in this same town. 309 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 2: In mid October, Maltov cocktails were thrown at a synagogue 310 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: in Berlin after Hanukkah. In Belgium, a Jewish cemetery was 311 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 2: vandalized with swastikas on gravestones. In late In late November, 312 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 2: a Maltav cocktail was thrown at a Jewish community center 313 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 2: in Montreal. Earlier that month, shots were fired at two 314 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 2: different Jewish schools in Montreal in three different incidents, and 315 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 2: four Holocaust memorials in Germany were vandalized with a mix 316 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 2: of anti Semitic and anti Zionist messages. So again, like 317 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 2: when I was looking at these ones once in Germany, 318 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 2: the actual content of about half of these messages were 319 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 2: not anti Semitic. But the act of doing this at 320 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 2: a at a at a Holocaust memorial just is like 321 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 2: it it gives me the ick. And there's arguments could 322 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 2: be made that this does actually play into antisemitic troops, 323 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 2: like you're what, You're blaming dead Jewish people for the 324 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 2: actions of the current state of Israel, like that's it's 325 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 2: it just And also half half of these messages left 326 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 2: at these at these Holocaust memorial sites were also just 327 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 2: blatantly at anti Semitic, like very very clearly like Nazi 328 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 2: style stuff. I don't have time to go over all 329 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 2: of the incidents across the Europe. There is a great 330 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 2: deal many. There's many, many, many that I've not mentioned. 331 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 2: These are just a few. Like I said, I'm focusing 332 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 2: on like vandalism, very very clear cut stuff. People doing 333 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 2: arson attacks, right, it's just very very basic stuff. This 334 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 2: stuff in Montreal not great. Montreal, Canada, get your shit together. 335 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 2: Although unfortunately not surprising but still upsetting is Jews being 336 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 2: barred from shops across Turkey. And oh, there's a whole, 337 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 2: a whole bunch of very gross government government sponsored anti 338 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 2: semitism across Turkey campaigns to prohibit the sale of land 339 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 2: to Jewish people. A lot of a lot of bad 340 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 2: stuff in Turkey. But that's not incredibly surprising. 341 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's aired one like, yeah, he fucking 342 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 3: sucks ass and he' oh yeah. Er Erdwan is a 343 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 3: man who has personally ordered children to be burned alive 344 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 3: with firebombs, so you know this is not out of 345 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 3: character for him. 346 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I guess finally, this one other thing about 347 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 2: Honkah is that so last month, right after the end 348 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 2: of Honkah, bomb threats were sent out en mass to 349 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 2: more than four hundred Jewish Jewish centers and synagogues across 350 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 2: the United States. This was most likely orchestrated by the 351 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 2: same kind of small number of individuals. All of the 352 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 2: messages were very similar. None of these were incredibly credible, 353 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 2: but it still sparked a whole bunch of bomb sweeps 354 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 2: and concerned because when Jewish synagogues get bomb threats, that's 355 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 2: not an empty threat. Either like this is like there 356 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 2: is historical precedent. 357 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 358 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 3: Well, and I also like think I think the everything 359 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 3: that's important about this too is like this, this is 360 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 3: you know, this is like one of the things is 361 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 3: the culmination of everything that Wright's been doing for the 362 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 3: last like eight years has been the development of like 363 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 3: this cadre of people who do bomb threats, calling in. 364 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 2: Bomb threats as a tactics. Yes. No, there's the concerted 365 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 2: effort for bomb threats at hospitals that provide transgender care, 366 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 2: abortion clinics. There was a string of weirdly organized bomb 367 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 2: threats against schools about a year or two ago. But 368 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 2: I think I think Robert did an episode on. 369 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 3: Yeah now, and now we're here at you know, we're 370 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 3: at bomb threats you can synagogues, which is terrifying. 371 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 2: According to the Secure Community Network, a nonprofit security organization that 372 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 2: tracks threats made against Jewish communities, bomb threats and swatting 373 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 2: incidents basically freight trying to get a swat team to 374 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 2: show up somewhere because you lied about there being like 375 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 2: an ongoing crime or something. But bomb threats and swatting 376 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 2: incidents targeted against Jewish centers saw over a five hundred 377 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: percent increase in twenty twenty three compared to the previous year, 378 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 2: which I have no reason to believe is incorrect. So 379 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 2: on that note, I no, I don't really think we 380 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 2: could have a bomb threat. Segue to two ads. I 381 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,479 Speaker 2: really don't really don't know. 382 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 3: Don't do bombs. 383 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 2: Don't do bomb threats typically, is what I got. Yeah, typically? Anyway, 384 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 2: h do you know what else is to bomb these ads? Okay, fine, 385 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 2: all right, we are back. 386 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 3: Maybe the worst air transition we've ever done. 387 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 2: That's not true, That is definitely not true. 388 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, you're right. 389 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 2: Okay, So during this last section, I'm gonna talk a 390 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 2: little bit more about data aggregation. So, like I said 391 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 2: previously in this episode, due to the nature of what 392 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 2: my job is and the nature of what an ADL 393 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 2: analyst's job is, they just have a lot more time 394 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 2: to dedicate towards specifically logging anti Semitic incidents. So I 395 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 2: did look through their data set, and I've made some 396 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 2: extrapolations based on some of the findings and some of 397 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 2: the open source data that they have regarding specific incidents. 398 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 2: So on that note, the ADL has logged around one 399 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 2: thousand and one hundred anti Semitic incidents since October seventh, 400 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 2: not related to protest rallies. So this is specifically all 401 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 2: the incidents that are not related to these big pro 402 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 2: Palestinian Interfaith many Jewish led rallies. Now I'm not saying 403 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 2: that nothing anti Semitic has not happened at any of 404 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,479 Speaker 2: those rallies, but these rallies were logged simply as quote 405 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 2: anti Israel rallies which featured over anti Semitism, anti Zionism, 406 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 2: and or expressions of support for terror. So crammed in 407 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 2: the middle of that explanation is just anti Zionism. So 408 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 2: that is one thing they are just counting as being 409 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 2: enough to be logged as an anti Semitic incident. So 410 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,959 Speaker 2: again I'm not going through the over like one thousand 411 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 2: rallies that they have logged here just because I don't 412 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 2: have the time and I don't feel like it. But yes, 413 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 2: just for full transparency, that is the information I'm not 414 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 2: going to be looking at. Instead, I'm looking at these 415 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 2: one thousand and one hundred other incidents not related to 416 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 2: these protests. So these one thousand, one hundred harassment and 417 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 2: vandals of incidents include things from anti Zionist slash, anti 418 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 2: Israel stickers and graffiti being left at universities and synagogues, 419 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 2: the latter which I believe is in poor taste, but 420 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 2: also you know swastikas being painted on synagogues, extremely anti 421 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 2: Semitic messages being left at Jewish centers, and street harassment 422 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 2: targeting visibly Jewish people, as well as just overt to 423 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 2: neo Nazi activity under the banner of free Palestine. Now, 424 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 2: of these over one thousand and one hundred incidents, I'd 425 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 2: say that a very small minority of them are principled 426 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 2: anti Zionist activism, which has been mislabeled. Most of the 427 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 2: data in these one thousand incidents is just blatant anti semitism. 428 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 2: I are specifically directed towards just regular Jewish people. People 429 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 2: writing kill Jews and bathroom stalls, threats being sent to 430 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 2: Jewish people mentioning Hitler or Hermas, a lot of just 431 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 2: extremely gross stuff. There's too many. There's too many, just 432 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 2: like threats that mentioned the word Jews, that I just 433 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 2: can't even read them all, nor do I want to, 434 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 2: because it's just gross. Like there is a truly upsetting number, 435 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 2: which is why I wanted to make this episode in 436 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 2: the first place is because I've been seeing this pretty 437 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 2: big rise of anti semitism. Other people have as well, 438 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 2: and I felt like this wasn't probably being as talked 439 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 2: about as much as it should be among the anti 440 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 2: fascist left, because you know, everyone's focusing on this ethnic 441 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 2: cleansing that's happening, because that is very bad. But meanwhile, 442 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 2: there's this other massive problem that if you care about 443 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 2: fascist entryism, if you care about anti Semitic behavior and 444 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 2: actions being either a lie to happen in leftist spaces 445 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 2: or just happening in general, Like a lot of the 446 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 2: stuff is being done by fascists who are not who 447 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 2: are not you know, going to a pro Palestine rally 448 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 2: because they believe in anti imperialism. But there's just a 449 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 2: lot of this stuff happening, which is why I think 450 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 2: it is needing to be talked about. 451 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: Now. 452 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 2: There are a number of instances that are logged in 453 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 2: these one thousand, one hundred incidents here, such as you know, 454 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 2: for I'm just gonna I'm gonna pull from actual examples. 455 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 2: But also this is kind of generalizing because this was 456 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 2: also reflecting a small trend things like pro Palestine phrases 457 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 2: being yelled at random Jewish people on the street, having 458 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 2: like Antizionist stickers being poorly placed in different locations, like 459 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 2: at a Jewish cemetery, vandalizing non political Jewish owned businesses 460 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 2: with anti Zionist phrases, even like breaking the windows of 461 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 2: random Jewish owned businesses with no ties to Israel or 462 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 2: the IDF and leaving anti Zionist phrases or pro Palestine 463 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 2: phrases next to these broken windows. Now, while the content 464 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 2: of what's being actually said in these incidents may not 465 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 2: be like anti Semitic in nature by itself, right, like 466 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 2: just having very basic anti Sionist phrases being graffeited that 467 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 2: may not be anti Semitic itself, like that combination of words. 468 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 2: This sort of activity, though, plays into a classic anti 469 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 2: Semitic kind of trope, as if every like random Jewish 470 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 2: person is somehow in part responsible for the actions of Israel. 471 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 2: And it also conflates Jewish identity with Zionism, which is 472 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 2: the problem that we were talking about before when we 473 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 2: started this episode, right when I was talking about the 474 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 2: stuff with Hanuka just a few hours ago. As of 475 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 2: time of recording, the corvalis anti fascist branch. I guess, yeah, yeah, 476 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 2: I think they're a member of Torch put out this 477 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 2: thread about how the GDL, the Going Defense League. We 478 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 2: talked about them previously in this episode. They're a big 479 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 2: group of organized neo Nazis that spread a lot of 480 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 2: anti Semitic stuff, how they hijacked a city council meeting 481 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 2: to spread anti Semitic stuff during a discussion of a 482 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 2: during a discussion about a ceasefire resolution. And I think 483 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 2: they kind of ended their thread by talking about how 484 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 2: it is extremely important to call out the conflation of 485 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 2: the Jewish people with the genocidal actions of the State 486 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 2: of Israel and assertions that the media is controlled by 487 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 2: Jews or that regular Jews have some kind of say 488 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 2: in everything that's happening, right, It gets in this kind 489 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 2: of like cabalish notion. Now back to kind of the 490 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 2: data that I was talking about, These sorts of incidents 491 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 2: are vastly, vastly outweighed by the number of just overt 492 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 2: jew hatred, invoking of anti Semitic conspiracy theories, calling for 493 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 2: the death of use and swastikas. But I still think 494 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 2: it's extremely important to mention because the targeting of random 495 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 2: Jewish people and businesses itself. That is a form of 496 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 2: anti Semitism, and this activity helps to reinforce the abuse 497 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 2: of the Jewish identity by inextricately linking it to Zionism, 498 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 2: which only strengthens the Zionist ideology. So that's that's that's 499 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 2: my little mini rant about the way we've been seeing 500 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 2: some of these things play out. 501 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: Now. 502 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 2: Many of these over a thousand incidents logged use anti 503 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 2: Zionism as a sort of cover for just spreading anti Semitism, 504 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 2: particularly from known white supremacist and neo Nazi groups. The 505 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 2: GDL is a good example. There's also groups like White 506 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 2: Lives Matter and a number of others that I could 507 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 2: name that When you're looking through the ADL's data on 508 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 2: these one thousand or so incidents, a large large amount 509 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 2: of them are done by the Goum Defense League, the GDL, 510 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 2: And this is this is this is a strategic thing 511 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 2: for them, right They're seeing the kind of moment that 512 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 2: people are in culturally, the way people are talking about Israel, 513 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 2: and if they can find a way to squeeze in 514 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: their neo Nazi talking points kind of under this under 515 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 2: this very very thin Palestine kind of Veneer. That's great 516 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 2: for them. If they can get people to start almost 517 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,719 Speaker 2: mindlessly repeating their style of talking points, that's great for them. Right, 518 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 2: it makes sense why they're putting so much time and 519 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 2: dedication to this, because they're trying to use this moment 520 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 2: and abuse the thousands of people who might be more 521 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 2: susceptible to this right now to spread their ideology and 522 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 2: to do and to do entryism like this is a 523 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 2: part of what their tactic is. So while it's true 524 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 2: that many of these incidents do come from explicitly Nazi groups, 525 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 2: there's also just a really upsettingly and shockingly large number 526 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 2: of them that come from students, students from middle school 527 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 2: to college, who are ostensibly anti Israel but are going 528 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 2: about it via targeting random Jewish people and spreading anti Semitism, 529 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 2: whether that's intended or not. But a lot of the 530 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 2: talking points are just anti Semitic talking points. Now, I 531 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 2: can't I'm not in the heads of anybody. I'm not 532 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 2: talking to the twelve year old in some middle school 533 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 2: in Colorado who's leaving anti Semitic messages in a bathroom stall. 534 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 2: But the effect is kind of the same, and just 535 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 2: the sheer number of specifically like like like middle school, 536 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 2: junior high, high school, instance, that are logged among this 537 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 2: thousand was just incredibly incredibly distressing. 538 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I I mean I think, I think a 539 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 3: lot of what's going on here is that, like the 540 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 3: US is a culturally Christian society, right like it has 541 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 3: like of the developed countries, the US is like one 542 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 3: of the most Christian and American Christianity. And this is 543 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 3: true of like in different ways, of like just basically 544 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 3: all of the major Christian nominations are enormously anti Semitic, 545 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 3: like and there're any Seminican theory in different in different, 546 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 3: in weird ways. Like I mean, I spent some time 547 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 3: recently for something else, like reading about like this argument 548 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 3: between like the evangelicals who are like, we need to 549 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 3: we need to have all the Jews go back to 550 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 3: Israel so that we can bring about the Second Coming, 551 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 3: and they were going to fight with the the hard 552 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 3: line like right wing Lutherans, and the hard hardline right 553 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 3: wing Lutherans are like, what the fuck do you mean? Like, no, 554 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 3: like the Holy Land belongs to us, not the Jews. 555 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 3: What the fuck are you guys doing? Right, It's like 556 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 3: this is the baseline of American society, right, it's unbelievably 557 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 3: anti Semitic in ways that you know, are are just 558 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 3: sort of passed down through like like culture, are culturally 559 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 3: received and absorbed in ways that people don't like see 560 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 3: or understand or think about, because it's just it's it's 561 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 3: the wall, it's the water that America that you know, 562 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 3: you swim in in American culture in this sort of 563 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 3: like like this hedemonic Christian society. And that means that 564 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 3: like even people with like at least in their heads, 565 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 3: good intentions get caught up in this ship. And it's 566 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 3: fun yeah, and bad. 567 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 2: And there's also at the same time a very concerted 568 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 2: effort to slide in the anti Jewish extremism, anti Semitic rhetoric, 569 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 2: to slide that in sometimes covertly sometimes not into into 570 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 2: lots of mainstream discourse and exchanges, and social media specifically 571 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 2: TikTok has been really has been really bad at this, 572 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 2: which is where a lot of young people spend probably 573 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 2: the majority of their day if they're going to be 574 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 2: looking at their phone, and it's it's I said, I 575 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 2: didn't want to get into like social media rhetoric. But 576 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 2: also just like as someone who spent a lot of 577 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 2: time on four chan and eight chan looking specifically at Nazis. 578 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 2: The way Twitter currently works is like it is just 579 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 2: for chan eight chan level stuff pretty commonly. Like if 580 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 2: I look at the quote tweets of any almost any 581 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 2: tweet made by a Jewish person, there is there is 582 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 2: just some of the most atrocious, unmoderated anti semitism that 583 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 2: I've seen on a platform like like Twitter, Like this 584 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,399 Speaker 2: is this is really like eight chan level stuff, I think, 585 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 2: And this isn't intentional to slide this stuff in to 586 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 2: make it look normalized. The ADL reported a nearly one 587 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 2: thousand percent increase in the daily average of violent messages 588 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 2: mentioning Jews and Israel in white supremacist and right wing 589 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 2: extremist channels on Telegram in the days following the October 590 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 2: seventh massacre. So this, this is something that is specifically 591 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 2: being done in far right spaces. I'm gonna quote again 592 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 2: from this corbalis against fascism. The struggle for the liberation 593 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 2: of Palestine is one of the most pressing of our time. 594 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 2: It's imperative that we shut down anti Semitic attempts to 595 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 2: co p that strug immediately, which if you care about 596 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 2: the liberation of Palestine and Palestadtian people, this is something 597 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 2: you also need to be concerned about because these two 598 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 2: things are linked. There's twenty seven assaults have been reported. 599 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 2: Around eight of these assaults are stemming from fights which 600 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 2: broke out at protest rallies. I'm not going to get 601 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 2: into those ones as much because that can be tricky 602 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 2: because I've seen Zionists start fights like right next to 603 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 2: me before and then claim a victimhood like no, you're 604 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 2: the one that started that. You swung a flagpole at 605 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,359 Speaker 2: these people, and then they de escalated very quickly, and 606 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 2: I'm sure there's incidents of the reverse happening. But a 607 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,919 Speaker 2: majority of these assaults that have been reported are very 608 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 2: clear cut anti Semitic attacks targeted against Jewish people, some 609 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,919 Speaker 2: of which are quite frightening to read about. There's been 610 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 2: a large number of a vehicle attacks. There was one 611 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 2: incident of someone breaking in to a Jewish family's home 612 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 2: and assaulting people inside their own home, and then also 613 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 2: there's been a number of incidents of just assaulting people 614 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,720 Speaker 2: as they leave synagogues. I've seen very very off start 615 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 2: fights with people right next to That is kind of 616 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 2: what I had to say about this rise in anti Semitism, 617 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 2: because I saw this being a major problem that was 618 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 2: being not talked about as much as it should be. 619 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,359 Speaker 2: Because this is it is higher than what we've seen 620 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 2: in years, not to even mention the rise in Islamophobia, 621 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 2: which is also a massive rise is in Islamophobia has 622 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,280 Speaker 2: been happening the past four months, including resulting in murders. 623 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 2: Right Just in the four weeks after October seventh, the 624 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 2: Council on American Islamic Relations logged an unprecedented number of 625 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 2: Islamophobic incidents. The research and advocacy director Corey Saylor said 626 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 2: in a statement, quote, both Islamophobia and anti Arab racism 627 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 2: are out of control in the ways we have not 628 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 2: seen in almost ten years. The one thousand, two hundred 629 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 2: and eighty three complaints we have received over the past 630 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 2: month represent a two hundred and sixteen percent increase in 631 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 2: requests for help and reports of bias. The Islamophobic and 632 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 2: anti Palestinian rhetoric that have been used to justify both 633 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 2: violence against Palestinians and Gaza and silence supporters of Palestinian 634 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 2: human rights here in America have contributed to this unprecedented 635 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,399 Speaker 2: surge in bigotry. It's just been bad the past four months. Yeah, 636 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 2: it's just things have been bad. There's been murders, there's 637 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 2: been assaults. It's it's horrible, and I think both of 638 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 2: these things are things that need to be interrogated more, 639 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 2: the Islamophobic incidents as well as anti Semitic incidents. So 640 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 2: that's what I wanted to talk about as I have 641 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 2: been slowly slowly logging more synagogue attacks, more death threats, 642 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 2: all of these sorts of stuff. So yeah, that's kind 643 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 2: of all I have to say today. 644 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's real bad. I don't know. I mean, 645 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:04,439 Speaker 3: it's that out there. 646 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,800 Speaker 2: I mean, if you care about the struggle of the 647 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 2: liberation of Palestine and the people in Palestine, you need 648 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,760 Speaker 2: to if you see, if you see anything that plays 649 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,800 Speaker 2: into these sorts of antisemitic tropes that we've talked about, 650 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 2: blaming just random Jewish people for what's going on, attacking 651 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 2: random Jewish owned businesses without any ties to the IDF, 652 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 2: without any ties to the State of Israel, just all 653 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 2: of this stuff. It needs to be called out because 654 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 2: this actually, this sort of thing only strengthens the ideology 655 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 2: of Zionism. So if you call yourself an anti Zionist, 656 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 2: it is your imperative duty to be on the watch 657 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 2: for this sort of thing and stop it if you 658 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 2: see it. That's kind of the thesis at the end 659 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 2: of this All right, well, without further ado, I think 660 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 2: we will We'll end this episode. Stay safe out there, everybody. 661 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 2: Hopefully this new year will be complete chaos for all 662 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 2: of us. 663 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: It could Happen here as a production of cool Zone Media. 664 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 665 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: coolzonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 666 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can 667 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: find sources for It could Happen Here, updated monthly at 668 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,320 Speaker 1: coolzonemedia dot com slash sources. Thanks for listening.