1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: My Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Listener Mail. This is Robert Land and I'm Joe McCormack, 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: and it's Monday. This is the day of the week. 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: We usually read back some of the messages you've sent 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 1: in over the past few weeks. So Rob, if you're 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: cool with it, I'm going to jump right into a 8 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: message sent by Manuel in response to our episode on 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: music and memory. All right, So Manuel starts off by 10 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: saying some nice things, and then he also, this was 11 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: the weird part I didn't quite understand, but he says 12 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 1: that sometimes Rob, when we're explaining something, we remind him 13 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: of Hugo Weaving from the Matrix. I don't quite know 14 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: what this means. He assures us that he means it 15 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: in a positive way. But I'm a little confused. Okay, 16 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: fair enough, which one of us do you think is 17 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: more like Hugo weaving? Is that you were at me? 18 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: M I don't know. Do we get to choose, I mean, 19 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: do get to choose different Hugo weavings from different films? 20 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: Is it a broader selection or is it just uh? 21 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: I think it's just the matrix, just the matrix. So 22 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. I I leave this to the the 23 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: listeners to decide. I have no opinion on this. M 24 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: Manuel says, I recently listened to your episode Music and 25 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 1: Memory and really enjoyed it. One thing that I feel 26 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: you forgot to mention is something that seemed to be 27 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: taught to all of us back in elementary school in 28 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: the early nineties, the fifty States song. To this day, 29 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: I can recite this song and thus mention every state 30 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: in the US. However, if I were tasked to write 31 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: down every state's name without referencing the song, I'm ashamed 32 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: to admit I would surely miss a handful of states. 33 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: H Manuel, I don't think that is anything to be 34 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: ashamed of because I this this may be super embarrassing, 35 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: but I think even as an adult, there have been 36 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: times when I've been trying to alphabetize things in my mind, 37 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: and I know I have mentally referred to the alphabet 38 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: song in order to remember. Wait which comes first? K 39 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: or L or J. I don't know how does this 40 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: song go. I don't know that I learned this song. 41 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's it's to the tune Twinkle Twinkle, Little 42 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: Star A, B, C, D E, F G M okay, 43 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: j K, element o P. Surely you know that one? 44 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: Oh no, okay, so you're just talking about the alphabet song, 45 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: not a specific alphabet song for the wait, okay, I'm 46 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: talking about the fifty state song. I know the alphabet song. 47 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: Oh sorry, yeah, to be confused, I was talking about 48 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: the I have as an adult. I know for mentally 49 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: referred to the alphabet song. Yes, I do. I also 50 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: fall back on that crutch, But I don't know that 51 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: I learned the fifty States song. I don't think I 52 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: did either, though I've talked to Rachel. She can still 53 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: sing the fifty States song, which is funny because this 54 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: may just be that she's not, you know, a singer. First. 55 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: I don't really it doesn't sound like a song to me. 56 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: It just sounds kind of like shouting the names of 57 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: states to a rhythm. Maybe maybe if I heard the 58 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: tune it would be a little bit different. Rachel overheard me. 59 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: Are you listening to mer record? Apparently it's called fifty nifty? Okay, Yeah, well, 60 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I was not introduced to fifty nifty, 61 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: but I wish I wish I had, it would probably 62 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: helped a lot. Manuel goes on, I feel like music 63 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: absolutely aids in memory and learning. My wife is learning 64 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: English and always asks to explain what a song is saying, 65 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: lay out the lyrics, etcetera. It clearly helps her with 66 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: learning new words and more importantly, how phrases work in 67 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: the English language. She's willing to learn English, but isn't 68 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: exactly motivated to, and music definitely helps with this. My 69 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: guess is that most people will enjoy a good song 70 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: or melody and be eager to learn what it says 71 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: or means, as opposed to reading a paragraph. Again, this 72 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: taps into something we we sort of guessed about in 73 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: in previous talks about music and memory, about how the 74 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: music element may in factor just help is a motivational 75 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: tool to repeat and rehearse the verbal content, which may 76 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: help people remember and understand it better. But men Well 77 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: also says for me, music absolutely plays a part in 78 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: tapping into old memories. I can listen to very old 79 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: Mexican music and it will instantly take me back to 80 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: my youth helping my grandmother clean the house on a 81 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,239 Speaker 1: weekend while singing along to these songs. Even music played 82 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: in movies. I'll hear a song which reminds me of 83 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: a favorite movie, which in turn takes me back to 84 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: when I watched the movie. The intro song to die 85 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: Hard with a Vengeance is burned into my memory. I 86 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: don't know who plays it or what the song is called, 87 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: but if I hear it, I can play those scenes 88 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: in my mind, and it reminds me of the long 89 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: summer breaks when I would binge movies we had on tape. Well, 90 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: I haven't seen die Hard with a Vengeance, but I 91 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: just pulled up a list of the like the soundtrack, 92 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: and if these are in order of appearance in the film, 93 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: then maybe it's Summer in the City by the Love 94 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,119 Speaker 1: and Sponful. Oh yeah, hot Town, Summer in the City, 95 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: back of my neck, getting dirt and gritty. I don't 96 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: think i've ever seen all of the third die Hard 97 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: movie either. This is the one with Jeremy Irons. Yes, yeah, 98 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: Well anyway, Manuel wraps up, says some nice things about 99 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: the show and signs off. So, yeah, thanks for getting 100 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: in touch man. Well, and it's great that we had 101 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: a chance to mention the fifty and fifty States, because 102 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: I know some other listeners have written in saying something 103 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: about that too. Alright. This next one comes to us 104 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: from from from frequent listener mail participant Jim in New Jersey, uh, 105 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: in response to our episode on the Silarian hypothesis. Jim rights, 106 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: Robert and Joe. While the Earth is too active to 107 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: preserve ancient technology, I suspect that the Moon would preserve 108 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: it quite nicely if ancient technology were to reach the Moon. 109 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: I'm sure evidence would exist for a very long time. 110 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: How long will the remnants of the Apollo mission remain 111 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: on the Moon? And then he he shares a particular 112 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: article with us here right. It is citing an answer 113 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: given to ABC Science Focused by an astronomer named Alistair 114 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: Gunn from the University of Manchester, and this is the quote. 115 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: While the constant bombardment by energetic micro media, rights is 116 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: likely to gradually erode this this being the Apollo mission 117 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: material over time, current research suggested could survive for up 118 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: to a hundred million years. This is I believe this 119 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: is part of the plot line in the original two 120 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: thousand one of Space Odyssey, right, Um, I don't recall 121 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: this is mentioned in the in the movie, or if 122 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: this is in the novel or a subsequent treatment, but 123 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: the idea of there being some sort of us, some 124 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: sort of lunar presence, right, Well, it's a monolith on 125 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: the Moon, yes, which I think is not human technology 126 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: but alien technology. Right. But yeah, but it's like if 127 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: you wanted to keep an eye on Earth, that's where 128 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: you put your monolith, right. Oh yeah, yeah, it's something 129 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: can just sit on the Moon for ages and not 130 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: much happens to it except I guess impacts from space. 131 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: All right. On a similar note, Wayne rights In, Hello, Rob, 132 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: Joe and Seth. I enjoyed your episode about the Silurian 133 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: hypothesis quite a bit. It's a fascinating question. Could we 134 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: tell if there had been an industrial civilization a hundred 135 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: million years ago? And also could the eventual inheritors of 136 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: Earth a hundred million years from now know of our existence. 137 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: Evidence on Earth has a hard time persisting because this 138 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: is a geologically active planet with a lot of weather. 139 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: There's very little we could build that could survive millions 140 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: of years of these processes. But what about the other 141 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: places that we have left a mark in recent times 142 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: which don't have these processes, namely the Moon or space 143 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: in general? We've placed satellites in orbit around the Earth 144 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: and the Sun and left artifacts and footprints on the 145 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: surface of the Moon. Could we assume that any other 146 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: civilization that reached our level of technology would have done 147 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: the same thing. I think that's a reasonable assumption. The 148 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: final frontier must have a universal appeal for any intelligence 149 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: speace these that can look at the stars. I'm guessing 150 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: the satellites wouldn't last long because of orbital decay and 151 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: other interactions, but maybe there are some places where we 152 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: could place an artifact that would last many millions of years. 153 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: The surface of the Moon, however, seems like an ideal 154 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: place to put something that we want to last for 155 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: a very long time. It has no weather or geology, 156 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: but is subject to radiation, micro meteorites, and larger impacts. 157 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: According to any links to space dot Com article by 158 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: Dennis chow Uh quote, in human terms, it may seem 159 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: like forever, but in geological terms, probably there will be 160 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: no traces of the Apollo exploration in let's say ten 161 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: to a hundred million years. But I think they are 162 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: talking about erosion of footprints. A A large solid object 163 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: like the Lunar lander would probably last for longer, depending 164 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: on whether it could avoid a larger impact. According to 165 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: and in this case um the author here sites another 166 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:59,119 Speaker 1: space dot Com article by Charles Q. Chow. By examining 167 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: pairs of photos taken at different times of areas of 168 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: the Moon, researchers have found two hundred and twenty two 169 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: new craters of between ten and forty two ms across. 170 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: These pairs of photos had intervals between a hundred and 171 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: seventy six and one thousand, two hundred and forty one days. 172 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: Let's simplify this and say every seven hundred and eight days, 173 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty two craters of a size twenty 174 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: six ms across a peer, obliterating everything below them. This 175 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: works out to about fifty nine thousand square meters per year. 176 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: The surface area of the Moon is thirty eight million 177 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: square kilometers. If we make the simplifying but incorrect assumption 178 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 1: that the meteor strikes never overlap every one hundred million years, 179 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: only one sixth of the Moon's surface will have been hit. 180 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if we've done a comprehensive survey of 181 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: the Moon's surface looking for artifacts of unknown origin, but 182 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: just looking forward a hundred million years, I think it's 183 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: likely our traces on the Moon will still be preserved. 184 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: Thanks Wayne, Well, thanks, and that's interesting. Yeah, and that 185 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: that adds more context. I guess the only thing I 186 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: would say is, I don't know if I'm sure that 187 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: all intelligent species will eventually want to travel into space 188 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: and and end up leaving artifacts on on the moon 189 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: of their home planet. I don't know. Is that a 190 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: uh that that's one of those kinds of assumptions that 191 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 1: seem that feels right, but it's hard to know. Well. 192 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: And then also this reminds me of our past discussions 193 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: on moons in general. Uh, you know, are we looking 194 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: at a scenario here where a given advanced civilization will 195 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: have access to moons and other bodies that are are 196 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: reachable within the span of time that they have the 197 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: ability and the interest in doing so. Oh yeah, well 198 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: that that's another thing. Like um, access to space is 199 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: not the same for all planets, especially planets with a 200 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: higher surface gravity, will have a lot harder time getting 201 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: getting people off that surface into space. And there, I mean, 202 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: at a certain point you get to a place where 203 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: traveling into space becomes incredibly unpractical, impractical, it's already pretty 204 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: difficult for us. But if our surface gravity were higher 205 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: and the delta V were greater, I don't know exactly 206 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: at what point you hit like you just can't do it. 207 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: You can't go to space, can't go to your moons. 208 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: But you do reach that point at some point. But yeah, 209 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: maybe if something bad happens to us, if you know, 210 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: there's intelligent octopuses or whatever and a hundred million years 211 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: on Earth and they end up traveling to the surface 212 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: of the Moon, maybe maybe they'll find our artifacts and 213 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: wonder what we were like. M Okay, Rob, I gotta 214 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: bring up this email because I don't understand it. It's 215 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: an email from Rolf that I think the text of 216 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: it just said Rob exclamation point. And then it's a 217 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: bunch of pictures of something called chainsaw man, which is 218 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: a guy wearing a tie who has chainsaws coming out 219 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 1: of his arms and his head. I think I speculated 220 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: in our chainsaw episodes in passing that there must be 221 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: a chainsaw man, that there must be some fantastic vision 222 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: of someone that's just made up of chainsaws, not merely 223 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: like having a hand replaced with a chainsaw or using 224 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: a chainsaw as a sword. But they just should just 225 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: be some sort of chainsaw human entity, some chainsaw human hybrid. 226 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: And I think I might have actually speculated as well 227 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: that it could be kind of kind of a like. 228 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: It seems like the kind of thing that somebody working 229 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: in the world of Japanese cyberpunk or inspired by that 230 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: world might have created. And I don't know who created 231 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: these images, but these images that were sent to us 232 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: by Rolf seemed to indicate that, yes, chainsaw Man exists 233 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: in some fashion, in some sort of comic format. Just 234 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: did a quick Google search to confirm it, says the 235 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: Wikipedia says chainsaw Man. It's a Japanese manga and it 236 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: is written and illustrated by Tatsuki Fujimoto. Nice. Looks like 237 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: they may have made a or they're making a TV 238 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 1: series of it. I don't know. I see something and 239 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: IMDb that has a twenty twenty date on it. So 240 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: maybe we're living in the age of chainsaw Man and 241 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: chainsaw Man is about to be upon us. Yep. I 242 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: see stills of him in this. Yep, it's the Age 243 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: of chainsaw Man. Two thousand twenty two, the year chainsaw 244 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: Man went mainstream. All right, Rob, should we do some 245 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: weird House Cinema messages, I think we should take your pick. 246 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: Al right, um, well, let's see. I guess I'll do 247 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: this one concerning The Lift. Hi, Rob, Joe, and Seth 248 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: just listened to the Weird House Cinema entry for the 249 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: apparently bonkers movie The Lift. It sounds amazing. This is 250 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: from listener MP. By the way, I had a couple 251 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: of things that might interest you, especially Joe with his 252 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: comments about how elevators can't possibly be so complex. I 253 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: work in medical device software quality and in job interviews 254 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: with candidates that haven't been involved with the medical world before. 255 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: An elevator is often the stand in for a complex 256 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: system for testing. It involves hardware, algorithms, and safety, all 257 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: critical components of medical devices. When a candidate can articulate 258 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: how they would test an elevator in a building with 259 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: a given number of floors and other elevators, you can 260 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: get a good idea of their thought processing and how 261 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: they may look at med devices. Also, I was struck 262 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: by a segment in Veritassium's video on self driving cars 263 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: in which he compared the attitudes towards self driving vehicles 264 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: with those towards automated unattended elevators. He points out that 265 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: when elevators routinely had attendance, it was unthinkable that logic 266 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: circuits only could take over for them, and that in fact, 267 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: historically there was pushback on removing human operators from them. 268 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: I find this kind of historical research fascinating. As to me, 269 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: I found it odd that elevators ever needed a human 270 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: to work. Right on reflection, it seems obvious that the 271 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: first iteration of the invention would necessarily need the quote 272 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: unquote brains of a person in order to be safe 273 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: and useful. Anyway, as always, keep up the great content 274 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: in P. But thanks in P. It sounds like you're 275 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: pushing back against something I said offhandedly. I I in 276 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: the episode. I was like, I'm not sure if the 277 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: Lift's idea that like you need supercomputer logic circuits to 278 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: manage elevator traffic is really true, and so if I'm 279 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: wrong about that, I'm wrong about that. But I still wonder. 280 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how many variables are there, 281 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: So there's like three shafts that each have one car 282 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: x number of floors, um, I don't know. I mean 283 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: maybe maybe maybe things were different in the eighties, all right, 284 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: We got one more message also about the Lift. This 285 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: is from John. Uh. It concerns bowling score tables. You 286 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: remember that thing in the lift they went to what 287 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: was it called. It was like Klauss fun House or something, 288 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: Klaus Potty House. Yeah, it's just a bowling alley and 289 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: we were like, whoa look at those those overheads, like 290 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: overhead projector style of keeping score? Right, John says, Hi, guys, 291 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: John from Salt Lake here, long, long time listener, occasional writer. Uh, 292 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: just listen to the Weird House Cinema show on the Lift. 293 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: During the show, there is a scene in a bowling 294 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: alley that had score projection tables. Remember this is uh, 295 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: unlike the screen the monitor screens that were used to Instead, 296 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: they were I think projecting transparencies up on the ceiling 297 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: or John says, yes. This was the standard scoring method 298 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: for league and tournament bowling for many many years. The 299 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: house meaning the bowling lane, would get plastic rolls that 300 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: held dozens of pages of plastic clear score sheets. Each 301 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: sheet had room for two teams of five players to 302 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: bowl three games. The games were also color coded. The 303 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: first game was green, the second was yellow, and the 304 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: last was pink. Or red. The score was kept with soft, 305 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: grease like pencils. Corrections were impossible to make without leaving 306 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: a noticeable mess. The bowlers, as well as well wishers 307 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: and spectators all needed to see how they and their 308 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: team is doing. I spent many hours either sitting at 309 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: the score table keeping score or straining my eyes to 310 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: see how many more pins I needed to get to 311 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: achieve some goal. In my younger years, I trained to 312 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,479 Speaker 1: be a pro bowler. I bowled on the amateur circuit. 313 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: I was starting to get sponsors and was ready to 314 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: earn my pro card. Then life stepped in and changed 315 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 1: all that. During competitive league play or tournaments, the bowlers 316 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: would pay someone to keep score for them. I paid 317 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: for many bowling excursions by keeping score for quote the 318 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: Big Boys League. I love the shows. Keep up the 319 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: great work, John, Oh, that's that's wonderally wonderful. I was 320 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: delighted to hear about this from some folks who had 321 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: the knowledge, because I, like I said, I don't think 322 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: I ever went to a bowling alley that had this 323 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: level of of technological score keeping. The ones I went 324 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: to either were a step beyond or they were a 325 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: step behind. Like having you know, just pencil and paper 326 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: or they had that, you know, some sort of a 327 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: modern system. Nowadays it's so fancy. It makes me wonder, like, 328 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: what was it like taking children to bowling alleys in 329 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: the day? What would they mess around with and change? 330 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: You know? Nowadays they I feel like kids spend half 331 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: the time changing the format of the electronic score keeping. 332 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: You know, what's going to happen when somebody gets a turkey? 333 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: Will the we a cartoon turkey? Will a turkey explode? Like? 334 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: These are all vital choices to be made with bowling. 335 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna go ahead and close the mail 336 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: back there, but we'll be back next week next Monday 337 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: with more listener mail, so keep it coming. Your thoughts 338 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: on current, past and future episodes of Stuff to Blow 339 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 1: Your Mind, as well as Weird, How Cinema, Weird, How 340 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 1: cinemas are time to set aside most serious matters and 341 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: just talk about a weird film. 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