Speaker 1: On the Beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies
Speaker 1: have women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends
Speaker 1: and husbands, or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef
Speaker 1: and best start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Caitlin
Speaker 1: Darante Jamie, and we host a podcast about the representation
Speaker 1: of women in film. It's the one you're listening to, right,
Speaker 1: is it at this very second? And Jesus Christ go on, well, no,
Speaker 1: like I feel like we should go home there. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this is our podcast about the portrayal of women
Speaker 1: in movies. We use the Beck Delf test as a
Speaker 1: jumping off point to start a larger discussion about the
Speaker 1: portrayal of women in movies. Jamie, let's pass the Bechdel
Speaker 1: test by explaining what the Bechtel test is. Okay, so
Speaker 1: you went some crazy paradox. What you can't describe what
Speaker 1: the Bechtel test is without breaking the right because you
Speaker 1: have to say, man, I also just said Bechtel test wrong.
Speaker 1: I didn't even notice there. Let's let's try this, Hey, Jamie, Hi,
Speaker 1: can you explain to me what the Bechtel test is
Speaker 1: please not without breaking it. It's like fight club in
Speaker 1: that way, or maybe it isn't that. I don't know.
Speaker 1: The first rule of the Bechtel test is that you
Speaker 1: cannot talk about the test, the Bechtel test. And that's
Speaker 1: why this is the last episode of our podcast because
Speaker 1: we realized we've been breaking the first rule of the
Speaker 1: Bechdel test. We just never talk about it. I thought
Speaker 1: this was fun. Well, I think that passed the Bechdel test.
Speaker 1: It did. Wow. Okay, so we're good. So now we
Speaker 1: can actually explain what it is, which is, thank god,
Speaker 1: we can talk about men again. Thank God is getting
Speaker 1: very stressed out. So if you if you don't know already,
Speaker 1: the Bechtel test is a test applied to fiction. Old
Speaker 1: media requires that a movie, let's say, has two female
Speaker 1: identifying characters in it. They have to have names, they
Speaker 1: have to speak to each other, and their conversation has
Speaker 1: to be about anything besides a man. We just did that, Yes,
Speaker 1: we did. We just did that. But then because I
Speaker 1: just said, man, that's what fun. Where you break it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's tricky. It's a paradox, it really is. Anyhow, So
Speaker 1: we're here with a guest to talk about wild summer flick.
Speaker 1: She is the creator and star of Gossip, which is
Speaker 1: a scripted comedic soap opera podcast fun Alison Ruskin, Hi, Hi,
Speaker 1: thanks for being here. Thank you so much for having
Speaker 1: me anytime. So we're talking about what hot American summer
Speaker 1: love it? Yeah, that's true. I had never seen this
Speaker 1: movie really before. I've never seen I've rarely seen any movies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've never seen it before. I'd heard a lot about it. Honestly,
Speaker 1: based on a poster and knowing who's in the cast
Speaker 1: and knowing the year it came out, I assumed it
Speaker 1: was going to do way less well than I think
Speaker 1: it actually does. Like it seems like you hear like
Speaker 1: was this came out about two Yeah? You hear? Okay,
Speaker 1: a two thousand one summer comedy. I don't think this
Speaker 1: is going to be a progressive piece of work in
Speaker 1: any way. Like I don't think anything that came out
Speaker 1: that year is like whoa, this is well? Like, um,
Speaker 1: are you forgetting about Shrek? I was about to say Shrek, Caitlin,
Speaker 1: do we know what month this came out? Because Shrek
Speaker 1: came out in July and was there of course, the
Speaker 1: last bit of innocence we had as a country with Shrek.
Speaker 1: Of course, with Shrek in this year. But anyways, you know,
Speaker 1: Shrek is obviously a feminist text. But most movies I
Speaker 1: would say that came out in the in the early
Speaker 1: Bush administration through literally today are are not progressive text.
Speaker 1: Raunchy summer comedy is generally not good to women. That's
Speaker 1: what I meant for sure. Yes, by the way, this
Speaker 1: movie came out in July. Oh wow, this was up
Speaker 1: against Trek at the box this movie was Yeah, nobody
Speaker 1: saw this movie's story wise, Shrek one, money wise, Shrek
Speaker 1: continues to win. Yeah, this movie what had American summer.
Speaker 1: It was a critical and box office failure, huge flop,
Speaker 1: but it has since developed a cult following and has
Speaker 1: gotten its own TV show, a couple of different variations
Speaker 1: of it because they've done the First Day of Camp
Speaker 1: Netflix series and then the ten year Reunion. Right, I
Speaker 1: think I only saw the first Day of Camp one.
Speaker 1: I think same. Yeah, So what's your history with the movie.
Speaker 1: My history with this movie is like, I know that
Speaker 1: I love it, but I don't ever remember anything about it.
Speaker 1: You know what, you know those movies where you're like
Speaker 1: that's a good time, but like the specifics of it
Speaker 1: allude you, Like you know that at one point they
Speaker 1: go into town and get so high like past that
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's a bunch of funny people. Well, it's
Speaker 1: probably because there's no cohesive story that really unfolds, so
Speaker 1: it's hard to remember what it's about. It's just a
Speaker 1: bunch of little, like micro stories, which is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just like the weird thing about any like ensemble
Speaker 1: cast is you're like, okay, so a bunch of small
Speaker 1: things will happen and eventually the movie will end, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what will happen. I feel like a good ensemble
Speaker 1: movie though you do have the right like the normal arc.
Speaker 1: But it's because it's David Wayne, right, So it's he's
Speaker 1: he's not looking to do the normal thing now. He's
Speaker 1: such an avant garde different artist. So yeah, I saw
Speaker 1: this movie for the first time in college, I want
Speaker 1: to say, probably around like two thousand five, and I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed it. I thought it was really funny and
Speaker 1: really silly. You know, it's just a silly, vaguely satirical.
Speaker 1: I don't even know quite how to classify this movie.
Speaker 1: In terms of it's like approach to what it's about,
Speaker 1: and I feel like it's like making a big nostalgia appeal,
Speaker 1: like that's most of it is, like the era. But
Speaker 1: I also felt pressured to like it did. Like I
Speaker 1: feel like it's like weird if someone says they don't
Speaker 1: like this movie. Sure, yeah, Like it's like you're especially
Speaker 1: it feel like the comedy community. I think where some
Speaker 1: of his other movies, I feel like I can be
Speaker 1: like that made no sense at all, But like, what
Speaker 1: are other movies he'd made? Oh? Man, he made this
Speaker 1: one with m Paul Rudd and Jennifer Anderson. That was
Speaker 1: like one of the worst things I've ever seen where
Speaker 1: he went they went to that cult and Justin Thureau
Speaker 1: was in it. Oh I don't I don't know. Was
Speaker 1: that called wander Loss? Yes? Yes, oh yes. He I
Speaker 1: think directed a movie called The Ten, which I think
Speaker 1: I'm maybe the only person who saw that and the
Speaker 1: only person who liked it. What was it about? It's
Speaker 1: based on the Ten Commandments and it's like all these
Speaker 1: little videos he did. Why did't you see The Ten?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I it really resonated with me
Speaker 1: in a way that I can't explain. And um, people
Speaker 1: who had seen it, who saw me like online saying
Speaker 1: that I enjoyed it, they're like, Caitlin, what the freak
Speaker 1: is wrong with you? As far as to publicly state
Speaker 1: that you like you didn't keep that to yourself. I
Speaker 1: stand out for the t look please tweet at me.
Speaker 1: It's really your thoughts on the it's not you're the
Speaker 1: only one who saw it. But it's like similarly like
Speaker 1: silly and goofy, like Wet Hot American Summer, but it's
Speaker 1: certainly not a good movie. Well anyways, so so yeah,
Speaker 1: I enjoyed Wet Hot American Summer, the film the artistic
Speaker 1: masterpiece that it is, of course, and uh yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought it was really silly and funny, and I liked
Speaker 1: that it's pretty much just like a goofy movie that
Speaker 1: is not taking it. I'm sorry, seriously, it's a goofy movie.
Speaker 1: It's that's a different thing. But is it an is
Speaker 1: it an Extremely? Is that the sequel? Because that's another yeah,
Speaker 1: which is one of my favorite. I think that all
Speaker 1: Sea Celery and extremely and then Extremely went Hot Americans
Speaker 1: and Extreme Oh, I have extreme doubts, right, I think
Speaker 1: we've talked about this before because I can't stop saying
Speaker 1: an extremely doubtful movie. Sorry good So yeah, so this movie.
Speaker 1: You know, it's silly, and I enjoy it. I argue
Speaker 1: it has more heart than other movies that go this crazy.
Speaker 1: Like I think that like with Coop, like we're like
Speaker 1: tracking him and his love for Katie. There is like
Speaker 1: an emotional there's a center to this. Some of the
Speaker 1: characters do care, and that's unusual for this type of
Speaker 1: broad comedy. That's true mostly. I mean, I love Niles
Speaker 1: his uh David David H God, God, I love him
Speaker 1: so much. He was one of my major childhood crushes.
Speaker 1: WAS loved Niles so much. I'd stamp every night to
Speaker 1: watch Frasier and I had a crush on Frasier, but
Speaker 1: I knew he was so unattainable and so in your
Speaker 1: fantasy world, you had to settle for Niles. Yes, I
Speaker 1: was just like Daphne. I had to settle for Niles.
Speaker 1: There was I was like Fraser. I would be so
Speaker 1: scared to talk to him. Niles would approach me, we
Speaker 1: would get along great. We would have a marriage of
Speaker 1: convenience for years. I just oh God, I love Niles
Speaker 1: and he and David hid Peers is so great. No
Speaker 1: one sees much of his work outside of Niles, so
Speaker 1: I've seen him on Broadway. And the thing about The
Speaker 1: Detective no Um, it was like a movie. I don't
Speaker 1: know that wasn't a movie. Was definitely not a movie.
Speaker 1: It was I can't remember what it was, but he
Speaker 1: was very good in it. Yeah, he's the absolute best
Speaker 1: at the end. Well, speaking of not being able to
Speaker 1: pass the Bechdel test, alright, it's quite all right. Shall
Speaker 1: I do a recap of the story of What Hot
Speaker 1: American Summer? Good Luck? Thank you? Can I can I
Speaker 1: recap the Can? I just read off the list of
Speaker 1: names in this movie, because it is it is pretty
Speaker 1: significant in terms of like most people were either famous
Speaker 1: or became famous, and I don't think they were famous
Speaker 1: at the time. I think it's Bradley Cooper's first movie.
Speaker 1: It is Bradley Cooper's first movie. It's like Amy Poehler
Speaker 1: is not quite it's people on the CUSP at this time.
Speaker 1: So Janine Garofalo, who was famous already, David Hyde, Pierce already, Niles,
Speaker 1: Molly Shannon I think had already been on SNL. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, yeah, Paul Red we knew him
Speaker 1: from Clueless. Because for Maloney, I don't know who that is.
Speaker 1: Michael Maloney's from Lawn Order, but I don't know if
Speaker 1: oh yeah, he's the she's the chef. Okay, chef in
Speaker 1: Law and Order, the famous at the show about a
Speaker 1: chef that Selve crimes. I guarantee that has been pitched.
Speaker 1: Michael Showalter and Michael ian Black from the State, Ken Marino,
Speaker 1: Amy Poeler, Bradley Cooper, Elizabeth Banks early role for her,
Speaker 1: Joe lo Trulio, Judah Friedlander, and um h John Benjamin
Speaker 1: as Can of Vegetables. Lots of names, big names, all
Speaker 1: star casts. If you're white, I was like, is every
Speaker 1: white person? Yes? Okay. So the loose narrative that this
Speaker 1: movie follows is that it's the last day of camp
Speaker 1: at Camp Firewood, which is a I think like Jewish
Speaker 1: summer camp in Maine, in Maine. I think in the
Speaker 1: set somewhere in the eighties, an eighties baby myself. I
Speaker 1: I'm very good at recognizing the eighties. Um So, so
Speaker 1: you listed the big ensemble cast. We follow different characters around.
Speaker 1: Each of them has like a little story arc where
Speaker 1: like Coope has a crush on this girl named Katie.
Speaker 1: They're both counselors at this camp um, but she's dating
Speaker 1: Andy played by Paul rudd Us. I feel like we
Speaker 1: should point out that they're all clearly adults, sixteen year
Speaker 1: old for sure, So that's a large part of the humor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like when Katie's like, I'm sixteen, I think I
Speaker 1: literally yelled at my television, no you're not. But the
Speaker 1: movie is like self aware enough that it knows that
Speaker 1: that's a big There's another scene where they're like making
Speaker 1: a plan to do their like ten year reunion at
Speaker 1: some point, and they're like, we're all going to be
Speaker 1: in our late twenties by then, and it's like, you
Speaker 1: guys are already thirty five. It's a joke. It's hilarious.
Speaker 1: So we've got Coope, Michael shell Walter is crushing on Katie,
Speaker 1: who I think that's one of the few people in
Speaker 1: the movie who didn't go on to more like mainstream success.
Speaker 1: She's done stuff. I've definitely been a big fan of
Speaker 1: hers for years because she's so beautiful. She like started
Speaker 1: this like really like fun dramay where she played his
Speaker 1: teacher who slept with her high schools, didn't. I think
Speaker 1: I was the only person who watched that show. And
Speaker 1: I can't remember the name. Cool. Yeah, but she's been
Speaker 1: and stuff, Yeah, but I think not recently. She was
Speaker 1: also in the O G. Mighty Ducks cast. Whoa we're
Speaker 1: saying she is one of the Mighty Ducks kids. I guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a teen. She was a teen when Mighty Ducks
Speaker 1: came up. I gotta we gotta read what we gotta
Speaker 1: do an episode on the Mighty Ducks. Worth looking. She's
Speaker 1: plays Connie Morrow and three Mighty Ducks movies. There you go,
Speaker 1: good for her. So, so we've got Coope, he's crushing
Speaker 1: on Katie. She's dating Andy, who feels very suffocated by
Speaker 1: her existing in the world. Um, then we've got a
Speaker 1: character named Victor. That's Ken Marino. He's trying to get
Speaker 1: with this girl named Abby. But the camp director, Beth
Speaker 1: played by Janine Garofalo, was like, you got to take
Speaker 1: these kids out rafting, so sakes. Yeah, but then can
Speaker 1: Marino does kill some kids and sort of they don't die,
Speaker 1: they die, they disappear. So no, he's saying one drowned.
Speaker 1: He saves them. Oh, No, that's Paul Paul Rudd. Definitely,
Speaker 1: I kill some kids. Some kids. Yeah, uh, sorry, I
Speaker 1: didn't mean to throw Ken Marino under the Paul red
Speaker 1: You're unnoticed. You killed a bunch of kids. Uh. Then
Speaker 1: we've got Beth, the camp director. She is interested in
Speaker 1: Henry played by David Hyde Pierce. He is an associate
Speaker 1: professor of astrophysics. So they're like trying to learn each
Speaker 1: other's interests and get to know each other. Love them
Speaker 1: together so great. Another storyline we see is Gayle played
Speaker 1: by Molly Shannon. She's like the arts and crafts teacher.
Speaker 1: She's dealing with a divorce, right, and then she gets
Speaker 1: close to a very young camper. I love where that storyline.
Speaker 1: It's so dist At the end of the movie she
Speaker 1: marries the It's very funny the way they play it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then we've got Susie Amy Poehler and Ben Bradley
Speaker 1: Cooper are producing, directing, choreographing, choreographing. That's how you say that.
Speaker 1: A talent show, which is sort of the big event
Speaker 1: at the end of this day and the end of
Speaker 1: the movie. Then we've got also been and McKinley played
Speaker 1: by Michael Ian Black. They're like developing a romantic relationship.
Speaker 1: They're gay together, they get married at some point in
Speaker 1: the movie, and had they have the hottest scene. I've
Speaker 1: watched it. I think four times. I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I've never in my life and like, Michael
Speaker 1: Ian Black is so less a lie. I used to
Speaker 1: have a crush on him when he was on I
Speaker 1: love the seventies, but also he's very hot in this movie.
Speaker 1: It's what I was like, crazy. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: we'll get to it, but I honestly think that that's
Speaker 1: one of the most progressive scenes from that time that
Speaker 1: I've seen. Yeah, absolutely agree. I feel like that whole
Speaker 1: scene I was because two thousand one I was waiting
Speaker 1: for a homophobic joke that didn't come. It was great,
Speaker 1: but then everyone came in a way because that scene
Speaker 1: is so hot. I see what you mean, Okay. And
Speaker 1: then there's a few like kind of more secondary characters
Speaker 1: like Jean played by Christopher Maloney. He's like the chef
Speaker 1: of the camp. He has to learn to accept himself
Speaker 1: for who he is, which is someone who fondles sweaters,
Speaker 1: humps his fridge, etcetera. And Journey we've all been on
Speaker 1: a class. So throughout the day, you know this stuff
Speaker 1: is happening. Everyone's gearing up for the talent show. There's
Speaker 1: like a game of Capture the Flag. There's a baseball
Speaker 1: game that doesn't actually happen. There's like just different little
Speaker 1: things to like fill in the time. And then at
Speaker 1: the end, like kind of there's no conclusion at all.
Speaker 1: Coop and Katie. I feel like they're probably the main
Speaker 1: storyline and the characters we meet first, so you just
Speaker 1: kind of first yeah, and then like I'd say, it's
Speaker 1: even with Beth and the oh that's true, or because
Speaker 1: like the closest we get to like the straight men
Speaker 1: of the movie would be like Coop and Beth kind
Speaker 1: of and this and the shot that I guess the
Speaker 1: movie ends on a shot of the two of them,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I guess, oh yeah, because he's just been
Speaker 1: dumped by Katie Katie, which is yeah, and then Beth
Speaker 1: goes okay and he's like yeah, and then cut to
Speaker 1: black cute at the end. It was really cute. So
Speaker 1: that's the movie. That's the story, if you can call
Speaker 1: it that. There's okay, I have a quick story that
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with anything. Uh, there's a girl
Speaker 1: in the little Science club that Niles creates in the movie,
Speaker 1: a woman in STEM, A woman and a young woman
Speaker 1: in STEM. She's I think she's like fourteen or something.
Speaker 1: She's like one of the actual campers. And she wears
Speaker 1: a Cure t shirt and I guess she goes by
Speaker 1: Cure Girl. That's the name of her character. And I
Speaker 1: a year and a half ago, I would always have
Speaker 1: this picture of this particular actress sent to me in
Speaker 1: a very specific episode of Law and Order where at her.
Speaker 1: So I reached out to her. I was like, because
Speaker 1: she still lives here, she's still working at dress. I
Speaker 1: was like, do you want to hang out and see
Speaker 1: if we still look alike? And so we we've hung
Speaker 1: on a couple different times, and we don't look at
Speaker 1: anything like, Wait, you hung out with someone just because
Speaker 1: people thought you looked alike? Yes? So I mean, did
Speaker 1: I did for the photo or just because you thought
Speaker 1: you'd have stuff in common? I don't know, I will
Speaker 1: I just like I never get dopple, Like I never
Speaker 1: no one ever tells me I look like anybody. And
Speaker 1: then it was like this girl who in the Law
Speaker 1: and Order episode she's in, she's twelve years old, and
Speaker 1: they're like, this looks like you today, and that's true.
Speaker 1: I've seen the photo that I can. We'll we'll put
Speaker 1: up the photo. It does look exactly like me. It's
Speaker 1: like a kid who's committed a cyber crime on Law
Speaker 1: and Order. I was like, you always do as I'm
Speaker 1: a hacker and so I do a lot of cyber crime.
Speaker 1: It makes sense our vibes are similar, but it is.
Speaker 1: It's like a screenshot where I every time this syndicated
Speaker 1: episode come on, I get it from like ten different
Speaker 1: people because it's and it's all of like my aunts
Speaker 1: are like, did you get a job? I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: a child got a job twenty years ago. Thanks so much. Anyways,
Speaker 1: very important question, when you hung out, did you call
Speaker 1: it a dopple hang I'm not sorry for that, and
Speaker 1: because I know you're proud of it, just give five.
Speaker 1: She didn't turn I earned it. Anyways, Let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break and then we'll be back for some hot,
Speaker 1: spicy discussion discourse. We'll be right back and we're back.
Speaker 1: It's us again. We'll post that photo of Jamie's dopple
Speaker 1: gang or who she does dopple hang out with? And okay,
Speaker 1: I like to better. The second time, I think so much.
Speaker 1: I was more confident in my delivery that time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: confidence is key, Thank you so much. We'll post it
Speaker 1: to our Instagram and you be the judge Bechtel Heads,
Speaker 1: Bectel Heads. Yeah. So yeah, this movie, I mean it's
Speaker 1: like a parody satire thing, but not like a very
Speaker 1: extremely mart one. It's an extremely good movie. So it's
Speaker 1: kind of hard to take anything at face value with
Speaker 1: this movie because it's just so silly and it doesn't
Speaker 1: really have any sort of agenda except to like just
Speaker 1: be as silly as possible. I think so. But that said,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that there's there's there's stuff for
Speaker 1: us to talk about. Yeah, let's start with Beth. Sure.
Speaker 1: Beth is planned by Janine Garfflo. She is the head
Speaker 1: of the camper, a woman in charge business owner, female business.
Speaker 1: She isn't charge and I mean I like her character
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, she's she seems to be generally respected,
Speaker 1: like even if they're not doing what she's telling them to,
Speaker 1: they still respect. Like she's not like a monster and
Speaker 1: she's not like a control freak or you know, she
Speaker 1: assiciates a gay wedding like there people like her, right,
Speaker 1: because a lot of times you see like a woman
Speaker 1: in her position in media, she's like depicted as like
Speaker 1: a shrew, like a devil wears product, Like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what a horrible bitch, what a heinous I feel like,
Speaker 1: especially because it's like a like an eighties movie like
Speaker 1: send Up, that would be like a very easy choice
Speaker 1: for the movie to have made, and they don't or
Speaker 1: like that she's completely incompetent that too. Yeah, she's like
Speaker 1: but she's like right down the middle of like great
Speaker 1: but not like to like attainable, you know, like I
Speaker 1: really I like her character. Yeah, it's like she runs
Speaker 1: the camp offficiently, clearly cares enough about it that David
Speaker 1: Hyde Pierce has to purchase a book or like already
Speaker 1: get a book about running a camp to press her.
Speaker 1: So it's like she cares about her job, but she
Speaker 1: also gets all her teenage cams counsels high. She's officiating
Speaker 1: weddings right and laughed. It's there's a lot she's really
Speaker 1: she doesn't. She approaches that kid and I don't remember
Speaker 1: that character's name, but it's like the kid who hasn't
Speaker 1: made any friends, and he's like speaks in a robot voice,
Speaker 1: and she's like, isn't that also Michael Showalter or is
Speaker 1: that a different no? That he right? Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I really didn't want that show. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry, Michael show Walter. Does m see the Talent
Speaker 1: Show as a different characters like that corny like stand
Speaker 1: up comic maybe laughs so much? That was they just
Speaker 1: they love I'm so old. I Ate wrapped her eggs
Speaker 1: for breakfast. It's like it's so good. Um, But she like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she cares enough to like she approaches that kid, She's like,
Speaker 1: it seems like you haven't made that many friends, and like,
Speaker 1: you know, what can I do to help? And she's like,
Speaker 1: why don't you do something in the Talent Show? Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: like Amy Poler is like, no, it has to be perfect.
Speaker 1: And then I feel like he's a very important character
Speaker 1: because he like conjures up the wind because it like
Speaker 1: blows the like space equipment away. I don't again, because
Speaker 1: we haven't even touched on them. We have anyone told
Speaker 1: anybody about that whole plot. I forgot about that. It's
Speaker 1: crazy that you can just drop out that plot and
Speaker 1: have the movie still sort of makes sense just the
Speaker 1: Doom's day of a satellite hitting the camp, pausing everyone
Speaker 1: to die, right, So David Hyde Hyde Pierce's character Henry
Speaker 1: figures out that there's like this piece of space equipment
Speaker 1: like hurling towards them, so they like build this machine
Speaker 1: to calibrate exactly where it's going to land because and
Speaker 1: then they figure out that it's gonna land right on
Speaker 1: the building that the talent show is in, so like,
Speaker 1: how can we use this machine to like deviate its course?
Speaker 1: So then they do that, But it also might have
Speaker 1: been like the wind that the kid at the end
Speaker 1: like conjures up who this movie is, Chrisy Like also
Speaker 1: you're like you buy it immediately, of course, like within
Speaker 1: five minutes. You're like, literally, anything could happen in this movie,
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, sure, exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah. And
Speaker 1: then the relationship between Beth and his name is Henry
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna keep saying Niles, I'm sorry, but the
Speaker 1: relationship between Beth and Niles is really I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like there are definitely some trophy parts
Speaker 1: about it, but I feel like almost every trope is
Speaker 1: commented on in some way to the point where I
Speaker 1: was basically satisfied with how they treated, Like in the
Speaker 1: first scene where she approached him first and she's like, Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm Beth. I run the Campo a lot. And then
Speaker 1: there's that great line read where she's like asking him like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'd love for you to like to to the kids,
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, no, I kid and then she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: but it would be great if you did. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't want to. And then she's like, but if
Speaker 1: you He's like I said no, And that's the greatest
Speaker 1: scene I've ever seen. But you know, she's like pretty
Speaker 1: proactive in like pursuing that relationship. She does get a
Speaker 1: makeover at one point sort of, and then she swoops
Speaker 1: her hair to one side and that's basically all that happens, right,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, how have you ever tried that? I mean,
Speaker 1: that will change your life? She did, you know, ensnare
Speaker 1: her one true love? After she did that, and then
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I almost thought it was going
Speaker 1: in the direction of like, oh, the woman needs to
Speaker 1: learn everything about the male character in order to impress him,
Speaker 1: but then he does the same thing, so I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's actually kind yeah, like that relationship, and then I
Speaker 1: don't know, I liked it a lot. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: there's like that funny like a comment on the trope
Speaker 1: at the end where they're like, we've been trying to
Speaker 1: get pregnant and it hasn't been working even though they've
Speaker 1: known each other for like less than twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: So it's a hilarious joke. And then marries a kid, right,
Speaker 1: so good. Yeah, So that relationship, I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: like there's really not that much to say about it.
Speaker 1: I thought it was very sweet and funny. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a rare example, I would say, of a romantic relationship
Speaker 1: in a movie where the male character isn't like stalking her,
Speaker 1: trying to trick her vera or vice versa. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: just like they see each other from afar. They seem
Speaker 1: interested in each other, so they very respectfully just like meet,
Speaker 1: you know, respectful, you know, said a relative term, but
Speaker 1: within the rules of this world. And that's exactly they
Speaker 1: figure out what each of the other person is interested in.
Speaker 1: They go and do research on that so that they
Speaker 1: have more things to talk about. And yeah, she does
Speaker 1: lie at first, and it's like I know all about astrophysics,
Speaker 1: but then she goes out and learns all about that
Speaker 1: one day. I love how this movie operates it within time.
Speaker 1: That's my favorite in the movie, because she's like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I don't actually anything about astrophysics, How can I get
Speaker 1: out of this convo? And she's like, um, what time
Speaker 1: is it? And then he looks up at the sky.
Speaker 1: So great, what a great joke. Um. But yeah, So
Speaker 1: it's like in so many movies we see like a
Speaker 1: man lying to a woman, manipulating her for the sake
Speaker 1: of like a romantic pursuit or like stalking her, and
Speaker 1: that's supposed to be romantic, like all this stuff. So
Speaker 1: this movie doesn't subscribe to any of those very problematic things.
Speaker 1: And I guess so like points for that, but yeah
Speaker 1: it is. I didn't give it that much thought when
Speaker 1: I was watching it, but yeah, it's like actually a
Speaker 1: pretty well handled like budding of a romantic relationship. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I also think that, like the movie is
Speaker 1: about sex and love, you know, that's like what the
Speaker 1: majority of the characters want and desire and so like
Speaker 1: in the sense that like, for the most part, women
Speaker 1: are talking about men like the men are talking about women.
Speaker 1: I think that's okay though them, and that's like what
Speaker 1: the movie is about. But then I think that they
Speaker 1: handled those relationships well right for being a movie about
Speaker 1: that stuff, right, because you know what movie like that
Speaker 1: that doesn't handle it well at all? Is love actually
Speaker 1: worse ensemble? That's a hot take. I think I haven't
Speaker 1: looked at it with my with my new eyes. Well
Speaker 1: give the Love actually episode. We did listen, and it
Speaker 1: is don't ruin the movie? It is, Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: If you want to continue to enjoy that movie, you
Speaker 1: can never watch it again. That's really the only way
Speaker 1: you can continue to love it. No, I'm already just
Speaker 1: thinking about moments of that movie and I'm like, oh no,
Speaker 1: the whole the most famous scene is scary, that with
Speaker 1: with the que cards and the horrible Yeah. Can I
Speaker 1: jump ahead to Katie please? Well? I think that so
Speaker 1: Katie is the one that Coop likes, and she's she's
Speaker 1: like the popular girl whose boyfriend Paul Rudd is like
Speaker 1: constantly cheating on her with Elizabeth Banks. And I think
Speaker 1: that we expect her to end up with Coope and
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, I eat, this guy is an asshole.
Speaker 1: I should be here with this nice guy who's like
Speaker 1: always been there for me and like it's obsessed with me,
Speaker 1: and that sort of plays into like the nice guys
Speaker 1: deserve the pretty girls, but instead she's like I just
Speaker 1: want to fuck and you're not who I want to
Speaker 1: do that with, and my boyfriend is and I'm sorry there,
Speaker 1: but there is like there, there's a moment where for
Speaker 1: a second, for one scene, you think that she is
Speaker 1: going to end up with she like rushes out of
Speaker 1: the Talent Show and she's like, I love, You're gonna
Speaker 1: be with you, bah bah and he so you get
Speaker 1: that moment that like feels disappointing of like really like
Speaker 1: he's really gonna that doesn't make any sense, and you
Speaker 1: get that kiss, and then it's like the next scene
Speaker 1: where she's like I don't wanna fuck you, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And then she also calls out because the whole time
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was like, how does she not
Speaker 1: know that Paul Read is cheating on her because a
Speaker 1: child literally drowned while he was cheating on her blatantly
Speaker 1: doing it, But she says, I mean, she's like, I
Speaker 1: know he cheats on me all the time. I don't care.
Speaker 1: I want to suck him as much as I can
Speaker 1: because I'm quote unquote seventeen. I mean in a way,
Speaker 1: isn't that so empowering? I thought it was great. We
Speaker 1: never see women say that, right, This is the thing,
Speaker 1: is like cheating is this thing that I think is
Speaker 1: in a lot of relationships going away because people are
Speaker 1: just in open relationships. So like if you put that
Speaker 1: lens on their relationship, then they're just in an open
Speaker 1: relationship and like who cares, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: she doesn't care about cheating, then that's basically what it is.
Speaker 1: Then it's not I mean it's not it is still
Speaker 1: cheating because he's lying to her about it. But like
Speaker 1: they could have easily just been in an open relationship
Speaker 1: and she would down. Yeah, so very progressive. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's rare that you see a woman who's just like
Speaker 1: so sexually empowered that she's like, I don't really care
Speaker 1: what the circumstances are. I just want to fuck because
Speaker 1: she's not like hurt by him cheating, right, Like, she
Speaker 1: doesn't care. She doesn't care. Even she's like, I know,
Speaker 1: my boyfriend's pretty lame, but like he's extremely high. So
Speaker 1: arguably she's like a little superficial, but like but like
Speaker 1: she's open about it. The only thing that I thought
Speaker 1: that that was like that was definitely and that's within
Speaker 1: this world that makes sense. But her character at the beginning,
Speaker 1: I think part of the reason that that end, her
Speaker 1: ending is so like impactful and kind of like whoa,
Speaker 1: I didn't see that coming is because she doesn't act
Speaker 1: that way for a lot of the movie, where at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the movie, we see her ask for
Speaker 1: more attention from Paul Red's character sick not sex. No,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a scene where she literally says like,
Speaker 1: uh oh, I don't know if I read an the
Speaker 1: exact quote, but there's a scene where she's just like,
Speaker 1: why don't you like pay more? She's asking him for
Speaker 1: more emotion, She's asking him, and then she basically says
Speaker 1: like I feel you're like you're paying attention to other
Speaker 1: people and not me, And so you don't get the
Speaker 1: vibe from her of like all she wants to do
Speaker 1: is fuck. But then in the journey of this twenty
Speaker 1: four hours, at the end she's like, Okay, no, now
Speaker 1: I understand what he's At the beginning, I feel like
Speaker 1: we're supposed to think she has no idea he's cheating
Speaker 1: on her, so it is kind of like a change.
Speaker 1: Although I would say if you rewatch the movie knowing
Speaker 1: how like horny she is at the end and like
Speaker 1: how much she just wants to have sex, if you
Speaker 1: look at her character and like what she says through
Speaker 1: that lens by rewatching the movie, she's always like, come on,
Speaker 1: like when are we going to hang out and like
Speaker 1: go off and like hang out together. So you could
Speaker 1: kind of read it as like when can we go
Speaker 1: off and have sex sort of thing, So it's not
Speaker 1: it's certainly not explicit until the very end. Yeah, she's like,
Speaker 1: I just want to spend time with you, and then
Speaker 1: he says fuck you. So Paul Rud's character, that's he's
Speaker 1: wild because like but he's playing what's very clearly like
Speaker 1: a kind of aggro toxic masculinity. He's he's bad boy.
Speaker 1: He's wearing Aviator sunglasses. He's always like, yeah, he doesn't
Speaker 1: give us she's his girlfriend and kills a child in
Speaker 1: the same scene. Like he's that kind of guy, right,
Speaker 1: But I think that's all played up for humor, and
Speaker 1: if anything is being commented on in this movie, I
Speaker 1: think like toxic masculinity in the form of his character
Speaker 1: is sort of like being commented on or like when
Speaker 1: I was at camp, like of course you love that guy,
Speaker 1: and so it like makes you realize what a loser
Speaker 1: that guy was. And I also think the fact that
Speaker 1: Paul Red, even though he is eternally young, he's clearly not,
Speaker 1: you know, a teenager in that movie. He's like it,
Speaker 1: well into his thirties. But it is cool to see
Speaker 1: someone with like a teenager ish swagger, like in the
Speaker 1: body of a thirty three year old man looks he
Speaker 1: was thirty three, and Paul Red is born to thirty two.
Speaker 1: He's born in sixty nine, which is what Paul Red
Speaker 1: is fort nine years old. Just so everyone knows, there
Speaker 1: is a Dorrian Gray portrait somewhere rotting away as Paul
Speaker 1: drinks people's blood and grows more powerful. I'm assuming we
Speaker 1: don't know. I think it's a theory. But Paul Red
Speaker 1: is forty nine years old. He's thirty two years old
Speaker 1: in this It's it's insane, it's unfair, it's violence against
Speaker 1: all humans. I also want to talk about Coop's approach
Speaker 1: to his crush on Katie, because at one point he
Speaker 1: says something like, you know, I love you, and I
Speaker 1: love the way you laugh, and I love I don't
Speaker 1: care that you're bilingual. A bunch like silly stuff, but
Speaker 1: like he's mostly saying that he appreciates her for her
Speaker 1: like personality, her intelligence or sense of humor. But also
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the movie, they have a very
Speaker 1: brief conversation and he says, that's the longest I've ever
Speaker 1: talked to her. So I think that they don't really
Speaker 1: even know each other. I think he's just saying that
Speaker 1: stuff because that's like what he thinks, he thinks, but
Speaker 1: really he just thinks she's beautiful. Yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: they're I mean, I feel like Coop is one of
Speaker 1: the more subtle uses of common terry in a very
Speaker 1: unsettle movie where he is kind of like set up
Speaker 1: to be this typical like you know, nice guys finished
Speaker 1: last but until the end of the movie, and then
Speaker 1: he gets the girl like you were just saying, Elison,
Speaker 1: But then he doesn't like he you know, like he
Speaker 1: doesn't get what he wants. And I think that that's
Speaker 1: cool and it calls out that like he barely does know,
Speaker 1: so like the things he says at the end are
Speaker 1: kind of empty platitudes. But then also like they do
Speaker 1: become friends throughout the weird amount of time that the
Speaker 1: movie takes place, and because there's a few scenes of
Speaker 1: them alone together, there's like when everyone finds out that
Speaker 1: like he hasn't you know, like gotten laid, and she
Speaker 1: is saying, I guess, like she's like, well why not.
Speaker 1: You should be sucking as much as possible, and he's like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, like sluts Rock, it just has to be
Speaker 1: the right slut. Like that's very He's very sex positive
Speaker 1: and not slut sham. So sluts Rock, said feminist icon
Speaker 1: Coop about, well, then that reminds me of another character,
Speaker 1: Victor ken Marino's character, where he is like putting on
Speaker 1: this like persona of like being this like macho stud
Speaker 1: who fox everyone, and he's like so good at sex,
Speaker 1: and then he reveals to draw the trilio that he
Speaker 1: is a virgin. He's never had sex before, and it
Speaker 1: was this big shocker for us as him, the guy
Speaker 1: constantly talking about sex has never had sex. So if again,
Speaker 1: that might be intentional commentary on sort of you know,
Speaker 1: toxic masculinity, or it just might be a silly joke.
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to tell, but um yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Like his character is just like so absurd.
Speaker 1: Although man, I'm just I keep thinking of all the
Speaker 1: very funny things that happened this movie. When he's like
Speaker 1: running back to camp the bail of Hay because he
Speaker 1: has to like jump over. Oh another scene. This is
Speaker 1: a different character, but another scene that I love so
Speaker 1: much is Andy Paul Rod finishing his lunch or something
Speaker 1: and then like flinging his plate and then Beth is like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Pick that up right now? And
Speaker 1: he's just like, I'll get it later, and she's like, no,
Speaker 1: pick that up now. Yeah, And then he respects her
Speaker 1: authority because she's a respectful figure. There, let's let's go.
Speaker 1: There's so many characters. Gail the Molly Shannon character. Yes,
Speaker 1: this is another character where at first I'm like, uh,
Speaker 1: this is one of the characters I probably like the least.
Speaker 1: But then she still has an arc, like they all
Speaker 1: have tiny arcs that are mostly effective where we're introduced
Speaker 1: to her and kind of like another trophy character of
Speaker 1: like the divorced woman who can't get over it, and
Speaker 1: she's so she's so divorced, she's handicapped. Yeah, yeah, like
Speaker 1: she can't even do her job right that she's so
Speaker 1: upset about her divorce from Judah Freelander, which is like,
Speaker 1: talk about a twist right to Freelander thinking he could
Speaker 1: deserve Molly Shannon. But by the end it's like it.
Speaker 1: First the laughs are coming from the fact that it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's so pathetic, she can't move on, she can't do
Speaker 1: her job. But then her students, especially one special guy
Speaker 1: who she does marry, even though he's a loving like
Speaker 1: coach her and get her confidence up. And then we
Speaker 1: she has a moment at the talent show where she
Speaker 1: stands up for herself. Judah Freelander shows up and he's like,
Speaker 1: take me back, and she's like, no, I'm with She
Speaker 1: doesn't even say I'm with him now, which is great.
Speaker 1: But later we're like, she she do what she was
Speaker 1: gonna do. She's going to marry that kid, she's already
Speaker 1: there's another man's let's try to unpack that. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: never mind, I want that could not have been gender reversed.
Speaker 1: That would have been it would be having a very
Speaker 1: different Let me keep that. Okay, So are we say
Speaker 1: that at least we never see them kiss, because we
Speaker 1: do see Abby kiss that kid named Moose. At the end,
Speaker 1: I just say that I don't support older women and children.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like in our society tends to be
Speaker 1: more accepted, even though it shouldn't be. Let the let
Speaker 1: the record that we hear on the Bectel Cast do
Speaker 1: not support adults in romantic relationships with children. I know
Speaker 1: that's a hot take, but but we are not for that. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just like I get it, they're doing
Speaker 1: it for the joke, and it is, but again it's
Speaker 1: the older woman and the younger boy. But it's like
Speaker 1: I feel like, until very very recently, that's always been
Speaker 1: you as like great job man, for sure, like cool
Speaker 1: you you've got an older woman, great for you, And
Speaker 1: like only like like in the last two weeks people like,
Speaker 1: actually that's not still statutory, right, Yeah, yeah, because you
Speaker 1: hear stories about like teenage boys having sex with their
Speaker 1: like teachers, female teachers, and like the idea for a
Speaker 1: long time and still a lot of people think this
Speaker 1: is just like yeah, way, just like good jobs, like
Speaker 1: this belief that like boys can't be taking advantage of
Speaker 1: which which doesn't make any sense because when they're taking
Speaker 1: advantage of by men, everyone understands that that's like not appropriate. Right,
Speaker 1: let's unpack that out. I mean there's perhaps hyper masculinity
Speaker 1: is alive and well and what no, I agree with
Speaker 1: everything that was just said. Let the record show it
Speaker 1: made me laugh. Um and okay, one one more note
Speaker 1: on the Gail character. Inside of that storyline, there were
Speaker 1: a few like cool lines from whenever the kids are
Speaker 1: pumping her up, which is not problematic for kids to
Speaker 1: be supportive of their perhaps suffering teacher. I mean, it
Speaker 1: is problematic for her to be like, here are my
Speaker 1: very personal issues, but it's a movie. But there are
Speaker 1: female students that are encouraging her as well, like they're like,
Speaker 1: there's a lot that men do that's inexcusable, and they're
Speaker 1: basically her like young students are rejecting like hyper masculinity
Speaker 1: in theory, and she's like, oh, I've never thought of
Speaker 1: it this way. Maybe Judah Freelander is a loser and
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And so I thought that was good.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I started anti this storyline, and
Speaker 1: then for some reason just like violently defended so the
Speaker 1: youth is the future. That's it's true. All right, we
Speaker 1: still have four characters to talk about, So let's take
Speaker 1: a quick break and we'll be back in a second.
Speaker 1: And we're back, So who do we want to do next.
Speaker 1: There's a few small quickies. There's Lindsay, the Elizabeth Banks character.
Speaker 1: Her thing is that she sucks. She's very horny. She's
Speaker 1: a woman aggressively going after Andy. Paul Rudd. He is
Speaker 1: receptive to it, even though oftentimes his girlfriend Katie is
Speaker 1: right there. Um. But then he decides, so they make
Speaker 1: out a few times. One of those times a kid
Speaker 1: does drown on his watch, and then he throws another
Speaker 1: kid who was like his swimming partner out of a
Speaker 1: van to like the kid killer nothing. But also those
Speaker 1: scenes make me laughing. Really, the drowning scene, I was dying.
Speaker 1: I will say Elizabeth Banks early in her career, and
Speaker 1: I think she's so interesting. I really like her, and
Speaker 1: she like once she and I feel like this is
Speaker 1: a kind of a common path for female actors almost
Speaker 1: by nature of how the careers were. Yeah, by by
Speaker 1: default is what I'm gonna say. She's look out about
Speaker 1: it later, but early in her career there's a lot
Speaker 1: of roles like this that she's given over and over
Speaker 1: and over. I think I mean pretty clearly because she's
Speaker 1: she's very talented, she's so funny in this movie, but
Speaker 1: she's not given much to do kind of because of
Speaker 1: her body type and because of how she looks. She
Speaker 1: plays a very similar role that is not commenting on
Speaker 1: anything in The forty year Old Virgin, just like early
Speaker 1: in her career Old Virgin, she sucks Steve Carrell for
Speaker 1: no reason. It's a very frustrating movie to watch her
Speaker 1: and like it's basically pick up that bar. She's the
Speaker 1: one who's like wasted, No, that's Leslie Man. She works
Speaker 1: at like a bookstore. And Seth Rogan, who should be
Speaker 1: deported back to Canada. I can't say it enough. Basically,
Speaker 1: Seth Rogan sends Steve Carrell's character and to be like, hey,
Speaker 1: she's wearing a thong so you could suck her. And
Speaker 1: then Steve Carrell goes to her and she's like, who's
Speaker 1: this hottie? Like it's just the whole scene is insane.
Speaker 1: But like Elizabeth Banks's early career is littered with characters
Speaker 1: like this in a way that makes me like frustrated
Speaker 1: for her because we know now she's capable of so
Speaker 1: much more, and it's done a lot of good stuff,
Speaker 1: and I think that's what Joe herd to produce and
Speaker 1: to direct and to be more in the creative positions,
Speaker 1: that she could have those roles that were meteor. So
Speaker 1: even though she's like good in this movie, we know
Speaker 1: that she's capable of much more. I was like a
Speaker 1: little frustrated. Also the founder of who Ha ha, which
Speaker 1: is a celebration of women in comedy and like empowerment
Speaker 1: of women doing comedy stuff, very true. And then the year,
Speaker 1: I mean this is like the year before, she's like
Speaker 1: rejected from being given the part of Mary Jane Watson
Speaker 1: in the first Spider Man movie because she was too old,
Speaker 1: even though she was the same age as Toby McGuire. So,
Speaker 1: oh my god, really, yeah, she's she's has a very
Speaker 1: small part in Spider Man, but the part, I mean,
Speaker 1: Toby McGuire was too old to play Spider Man. It
Speaker 1: was like twenty eight or something, and Elizabeth Banks was
Speaker 1: twenty eight and they're actually told me the Wuire's Kris
Speaker 1: and Dunce is seventeen, so she was only seventeen. She
Speaker 1: was only seventeen in that Movie's just a bunch of
Speaker 1: upsetting fun facts about So in this movie, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: this is the era where Elizabeth Banks is not getting
Speaker 1: her do right. Yeah, well, um she's shown us though.
Speaker 1: Yeah wait wait seventeen years and then we see her
Speaker 1: full potential, right. Yeah, She's basically only in this story
Speaker 1: to be seen making out with Paul Red a few
Speaker 1: times and to have barbecue sauce all over her face.
Speaker 1: That was fun, that was fun. But her talents are
Speaker 1: under utilized in that character is barely written. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's kind of I thought for some reason when I
Speaker 1: before I started rewatching this, I thought that she had
Speaker 1: a much more like crucial role in the story. And
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh no, she like hardly does anything.
Speaker 1: She's only there to make it. Yeah, Like when we
Speaker 1: think of the movie with her, we're like, oh, she's
Speaker 1: going to be the star, gonna have a big role.
Speaker 1: No one uses Elizabeth Banks in a meaningful way until
Speaker 1: like two thousand and eight. It's crazy. Yeah. Anyways, shall
Speaker 1: we talk about Susie Amy Poehler's character. Yeah, she, I
Speaker 1: think is the only female character whose storyline does not
Speaker 1: deal with a romantic relationship to a man. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that was interesting. She's all about making the talent
Speaker 1: show the best it can possibly be. Peak theater kid,
Speaker 1: I can't remember. So, so she's working closely with Ben
Speaker 1: played by Bradley Cooper, and I can't remember which of
Speaker 1: them is like the she's the producer and he's the
Speaker 1: director of choreography or vice versa. I forget who exactly
Speaker 1: has I think she'd have to be the producer, right,
Speaker 1: she has such a she's so intense, right, Yeah, So
Speaker 1: she's working closely with him, and they're both like these
Speaker 1: like kind of authoritarian like artistic types to be like
Speaker 1: what this has to be like this, and these kids
Speaker 1: fucking suck singing and such a travesty, which I find
Speaker 1: to be very funny because then the kids do fine,
Speaker 1: really good job and she's like, oh, that's horrible bullshit.
Speaker 1: But yes, I enjoyed that there was at least one
Speaker 1: storyline that doesn't tie her to like a romantic interest,
Speaker 1: and another character who we see a few different sides
Speaker 1: of where most of her spoken lines are very uptight,
Speaker 1: like oh, I'm a theater director. But then she's also
Speaker 1: heavily featured in the scene where they get so high
Speaker 1: they almost die and she's like having fun and she's
Speaker 1: like she's friends with Katie. Apparently there's like a few
Speaker 1: different scenes where they're like like you know, friend cuddling
Speaker 1: or whatever, and so it's like it's also like so
Speaker 1: supportive of the marriage. Yeah, she's like playing a flute
Speaker 1: or a recorder. Yeah, she's like super okay with that,
Speaker 1: and like, so he's got a bunch of stuff going on.
Speaker 1: We don't see a full life. We don't see that
Speaker 1: much of her on screen. We're kind of filling the blanks.
Speaker 1: But like an Amy Pool is just so good that
Speaker 1: I feel, yeah, like you feel like you see her
Speaker 1: more than you actually do, because every time you see her,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah she I mean she buries Bradley Cooper every time.
Speaker 1: Sorry Bradley, but can you imagine them now? She would
Speaker 1: still now, she would still him. That's why they have
Speaker 1: not appeared on screen. Who else do we have? We
Speaker 1: have Abby? Abby? Yes, Abby is the another very horny girl.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of really into how horny all the girls are,
Speaker 1: especially because they're not ever like shamed. They're never shamed,
Speaker 1: and the boys are too, Like I think it's just
Speaker 1: a commentary on like this time in your life when
Speaker 1: like your hormones are just like out of control and
Speaker 1: you're like in this contained space with like very minimal supervision.
Speaker 1: And then they just turned it to eleven because the
Speaker 1: movie starts with like a bunk full of like what
Speaker 1: do they like eleven year olds? Everyone is just making
Speaker 1: out under the verse, and then they like sneak out
Speaker 1: and then there's like the shot of like all the
Speaker 1: campers from every cabin having to run back to their
Speaker 1: horny movie at all time. So much horny depth, but
Speaker 1: like what jew camp is like from what I never
Speaker 1: went to a Jewish camp. I went to regular camp,
Speaker 1: but I heard that JUW camp was like I'm Jewish,
Speaker 1: I can say it was like even more like sexed
Speaker 1: up than like regular sleepboy camp. Fun and my sleepboy
Speaker 1: camp wasn't horny at all. I went to girl Scout camp.
Speaker 1: Was it horny? Guys? It was unfortunately not that horny.
Speaker 1: Goddamn it. I want to go to horny camps too late,
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't think so Abby and Lindsay
Speaker 1: make out at the end. Yeah, there's a scene between
Speaker 1: the two of them where how did you get at
Speaker 1: where did you fall on that? I wasn't sure. I
Speaker 1: was hardy well that because I'm like, isn't being played
Speaker 1: for last it kind of? I think it is, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think these are two of the horny's characters
Speaker 1: we see, let's put them together and have them. I
Speaker 1: think the idea is that they're so horny that it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who they're kissing. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's even like there like queer characters. It's more that
Speaker 1: they're just like, these are two such horny people that
Speaker 1: they'll make out with a kid, they'll make out with
Speaker 1: a woman, even if they aren't queer, like obviously one
Speaker 1: that makes that with a kid, right, yes, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so I seed this movie out loud. There is a
Speaker 1: lot of problems. So yeah, I think it was played
Speaker 1: more as a joke and less as although like who
Speaker 1: knows they might be by they might be you know,
Speaker 1: pan sexual? Who knows? We simply don't know them very
Speaker 1: well exactly. So I think with the context were given
Speaker 1: about their sexuality, it's not that much because up till
Speaker 1: then we've only seen them kissing men were literal boys,
Speaker 1: so that they're there's their sexual preferences aren't really explored
Speaker 1: enough to know whether or not they're actually queer, which
Speaker 1: is which that that moment, I was like, Oh, this
Speaker 1: is kind of a bummer a little bit, because it
Speaker 1: is kind of being played for last in a movie
Speaker 1: that otherwise dealt with queerness, I thought, in a way
Speaker 1: more mature way than most movies and it's genre would
Speaker 1: And so I was like, Oh, that's kind of a
Speaker 1: throwaway joke because I think we're led to believe that
Speaker 1: they are not queer, and there's nothing in the subtext
Speaker 1: of the movie that would suggest right otherwise except for
Speaker 1: that one. Except for that one. But it's a joke,
Speaker 1: So I didn't like love that. But also I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I'm kind of just like,
Speaker 1: there's another kind of problematic moment where um, a lot
Speaker 1: of the counselors are kind of taking off their clothes
Speaker 1: and like getting into their their like in their bikinis,
Speaker 1: and they're about to take a dip in the pond
Speaker 1: or whatever, and I think it's J J. Gary and
Speaker 1: McKinley is there too, I think, and they're basically just
Speaker 1: like watching them. So it's like, but the way it's
Speaker 1: shot is like very male gaze, where it's like panning
Speaker 1: up and down there like scantily clad bodies, and like,
Speaker 1: so I get it if you want to show kind
Speaker 1: of toxic male characters gazing at women and like make
Speaker 1: a commentary on how like that's kind of gross because
Speaker 1: that's what's happening. But also the way it's shot means
Speaker 1: that we're seeing it through their lens, which is still
Speaker 1: the male gaze, and it's still like leaves lingering ways. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like here's he's so gross, but also you get to
Speaker 1: see it, dude. Yeah. Yeah, So that's when like McKinley,
Speaker 1: who has no interest in women, sneaks off and he's
Speaker 1: like I don't care about what seeing girls in their bikinis,
Speaker 1: and then we see him go into like the shed
Speaker 1: and start having sex with Ben. So let's talk about that.
Speaker 1: We've been waiting so long to talk about that. It's
Speaker 1: a great scene. Yeah, yeah, it's like steamy and hot.
Speaker 1: It's not like for laughs at all. I'd say it's
Speaker 1: like the most genuine of this, like the makeout scenes,
Speaker 1: and like, I mean, it's a beautiful moment. Great because
Speaker 1: a lot of the other sexy moments in the movie
Speaker 1: are played relax because it's like either characters like shoving
Speaker 1: gum into their mouth right before they make out, or
Speaker 1: like a character taking your shirt off for no reason,
Speaker 1: or like a character's face like covering in barbecue sauce.
Speaker 1: So it feels like it was so planned or like
Speaker 1: it was like a goal versus just like a genuine
Speaker 1: attraction between two people. And this is just like they
Speaker 1: have just like incredible chemistry. Straight sexuality as portrayed by
Speaker 1: this movie is fucking gross, nasty, yeah, and and and
Speaker 1: it's stinky and it's dirty, and then you see this
Speaker 1: like incredible sex scene in a shed where you're just like, I,
Speaker 1: I didn't know, I wanted to see Michael Ian black shirtless.
Speaker 1: I didn't know, and then I did and know they
Speaker 1: never go back. And then and then the way their
Speaker 1: story lamp plays out, I thought it was like cool
Speaker 1: to see how many you know, because there are like
Speaker 1: gay slurs used in this movie, but the characters who
Speaker 1: use them then witness the wedding and you see that
Speaker 1: there's a good portion of this camp in that is
Speaker 1: so supportive of this setting. We're playing flutes where you know,
Speaker 1: like the head of the camp is officiating the wedding,
Speaker 1: and then those characters come around because they change so
Speaker 1: they use like the homophobic slurs and there it seems
Speaker 1: like they're grossed out at first, but then and this
Speaker 1: is all this is that one day and this is
Speaker 1: played as a joke, but I think the joke works
Speaker 1: because you think that they're horrified and disgusted by their
Speaker 1: same sex relationship. And there's a scene where they, like
Speaker 1: where j J and Gary go and like confront McKinley
Speaker 1: and Ben and they're like, hey, McKinley, this is for you.
Speaker 1: And you think they're gonna like like assault them or
Speaker 1: something like that, but they buy them like a chaise
Speaker 1: lounge and they're like, hey, here, we just bought this
Speaker 1: for you. I hope it matches with your other frontitor whatever.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh my gosh, it does. Then and then
Speaker 1: queer bashing is resolved at this camp forever. So yeah,
Speaker 1: those like characters that start out being homophobic like very
Speaker 1: quickly learn their lesson and come around. If only it
Speaker 1: were that easy. Um, I want to go back to
Speaker 1: their sex scene. Though. Queer characters are so underrepresented in
Speaker 1: media that it's horrible travesty when they are represented, it's
Speaker 1: usually a horrible misrepresentation, and even if they're represented in
Speaker 1: a positive light, we usually don't get to see especially
Speaker 1: men kissing other men and definitely not gay mail sex,
Speaker 1: like we only it'll maybe like cut off right at
Speaker 1: the kiss or like you don't. So even mainstream movies
Speaker 1: about queer characters in a romantic context, we might if
Speaker 1: we're lucky, we get to see two men kiss, and
Speaker 1: even that's rare. You know, I got my fingers crossed.
Speaker 1: I just want to see kiss, which is true for me. Um,
Speaker 1: But the fact that you like see it's not a
Speaker 1: epic sex scene. It's the way that you treat a
Speaker 1: sex scene between like a straight couple in like a
Speaker 1: like a PG thirteen movie. You know, like it's like shade.
Speaker 1: It's like kind of like a cruel intentions level, like
Speaker 1: a sex scene where it's like really hot and like
Speaker 1: when you're a kid and you watch, you're like this
Speaker 1: is incredible, but then like as an adult, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not actually seeing anything scandalous, but they created this
Speaker 1: feeling in this moment that felt very sexual for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I just even though it's just like close ups
Speaker 1: on their socks yea. Even so, like I think it's
Speaker 1: pretty fascinating, and does this movie handle queer culture super well?
Speaker 1: And is it super responsible? I would argue, like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it could be worse, it could be better. But
Speaker 1: the fact that you do see like a same sex
Speaker 1: male sex scene in this movie, when that almost never happens,
Speaker 1: and it's and they then get married, Yeah, they're like
Speaker 1: in love. It's not just like, oh I experimented right right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't get beautiful. It's it's like really hot and
Speaker 1: then later it's beautiful. Great, what's a journey that one day? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean as a straight person, I see scenes like
Speaker 1: this and I'm like, there's probably something problematic here, but
Speaker 1: I don't know quite what it is because I'm like
Speaker 1: seeing it through the lens of a straight lady. But
Speaker 1: if any listeners have additional thoughts on this scene, please
Speaker 1: let us know, yes, yes, yes, please, if anyone just
Speaker 1: wants to talk about it, if anyone just wants to
Speaker 1: watch the scene with us. We really like the scene
Speaker 1: that we think it's very hot, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: Who else do we have to talk about? We could
Speaker 1: talk about Gene. I don't know, I mean Gene is
Speaker 1: the lunchman. The lunchman there, I mean there, It's It's
Speaker 1: it's hard with a movie like this because I could
Speaker 1: say perhaps that they are because he his whole storyline
Speaker 1: is he when he got back from Vietnam, he was different,
Speaker 1: and so his whole storyline is a veteran PTSD joke
Speaker 1: that's worth saying, and how he has multiple personnelity like
Speaker 1: it plays multiple personality disorder as a jog, that plays
Speaker 1: PTSD as a jug, It plays being a veteran as
Speaker 1: a joke. It portrays veterans that are crazy, but then
Speaker 1: it's portraying veterans that have mental illness but are also
Speaker 1: really cool with it, which is not really a realistic
Speaker 1: portrayal of anything in the world of the movie. I
Speaker 1: honestly don't know where to fall on it, but it's
Speaker 1: worth acknowledging that his whole character is a big PTSD
Speaker 1: mental illness joke and that has maybe manifested into like
Speaker 1: some interesting kink things that he is now into fondling
Speaker 1: sweaters and having Dick cook cream and so yeah, the
Speaker 1: way that whole thing is handled hallucination is in the
Speaker 1: form of a stron Benjamin. I would argue that that
Speaker 1: character is real and a camper at the camp. I
Speaker 1: think that can of vegetables is I think. I think
Speaker 1: our vegetable listeners are cans of vegetable listeners, of which
Speaker 1: we have many. Sorry if I made you not feel seen, right,
Speaker 1: I think, Um, they're real and we need to respect
Speaker 1: them as they are. My deepest apologies. It's okay. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that we touched on every There's one other
Speaker 1: named female character of the adults, and there might be
Speaker 1: some like of the campers the kids, but um, they
Speaker 1: so rarely play into the story that yeah, the character right. Um,
Speaker 1: there's Nancy, the nurse. She works at the infirmary. The
Speaker 1: big moment that she she has a few moments. She
Speaker 1: like basically has to remind several adults what a library
Speaker 1: is and how do you use it? I forgot about that.
Speaker 1: And she goes up to Beth whenever Beth is saying
Speaker 1: that she's going to go into town, and Nancy says,
Speaker 1: if you're going into town, can you pick me up
Speaker 1: something at the drug store. My husband's coming today and
Speaker 1: I need some lube for my pussy. Uh does that
Speaker 1: seem pass the bacto test? We'll find out, but stay tuned. Yea.
Speaker 1: So she is also extremely horny and sexual. So another
Speaker 1: example of a sexually liberated progressive gal in the movie.
Speaker 1: And I guess she's meant to be older if she
Speaker 1: has a husband, because I feel like some of the
Speaker 1: characters are like some are older. Gail, Yeah, Gail, who
Speaker 1: is like married and divorced, and Nancy must be so
Speaker 1: they're not like the counselors who are like, you know,
Speaker 1: these sixteen year old kids. But um, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: there's hardly anything to say about her aside from the
Speaker 1: fact that she is very horny and wants to have
Speaker 1: sex with her husband. Everyone in this movie is very horny.
Speaker 1: An equal opportunity you know, provider. Yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I support that. Literally every person in this movie can
Speaker 1: of vegetables is horny for someone. He said something. He
Speaker 1: sucks his own dick, So there's like, I do it.
Speaker 1: This is the dumbest movie, but so fun, so much fun.
Speaker 1: Does anyone have any other thoughts about the representation of
Speaker 1: women in White Hot American Summer? I think pretty good. Well,
Speaker 1: let's talk about whether or not this movie passes the
Speaker 1: backtel test. By everything I could tell for sure, it
Speaker 1: does a lot of different times. Yes, I don't know,
Speaker 1: so by our standard, we just need a two line exchange.
Speaker 1: So it's a low bar for us. Uh And yet
Speaker 1: so many movies don't bother to even try. But there's
Speaker 1: a scene um in like the arts and crafts classroom
Speaker 1: between Gail and then Valerie is named um. Valerie is like, hey,
Speaker 1: we could draw with some markers and carols like listen, Valerie,
Speaker 1: I need you to be helpful here. I do not
Speaker 1: need you to undermine me, and felleries like but there's
Speaker 1: only one crayon, like we could color with these hundreds
Speaker 1: of colored markers, and then Gail starts sobbing. But does
Speaker 1: that count because there are there are male campers in
Speaker 1: the scene? Um, right, for the way that we do it,
Speaker 1: our interpretation of it, it does. Okay, I played by
Speaker 1: your rules. And the first time I had it counting
Speaker 1: was there's like a very dumb exchange between Beth and
Speaker 1: Nancy where like Beth says, like, we got through another
Speaker 1: summer except for a couple of kids who became lepers,
Speaker 1: and then Nancy says, good one. Beth, You're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's technically fast unless the campers who are now lepers
Speaker 1: were all boys. We don't. Uh. Then there's that scene
Speaker 1: between Beth and Katie that is the text of it is, yeah, Katie,
Speaker 1: you're hot, right, But that's about seducing a man, right,
Speaker 1: that one I in the subtext it's it's tricky, I
Speaker 1: don't know this one. Ann is never mentioned until the
Speaker 1: very end of that conversation, which this conversation maybe like
Speaker 1: a minute or too long. So it's Katie's like, you dog,
Speaker 1: you have a crush on someone, and she's like, I
Speaker 1: do have a crash. I just don't think he's interested.
Speaker 1: But up until that part of the conversation, a man
Speaker 1: is not mentioned. But you're right the whole but we
Speaker 1: know why she's asked. The subtext of that conversation is
Speaker 1: so that she can be more physically appealing to a man.
Speaker 1: So I would say that does not pass for that reason. Um,
Speaker 1: and let's say that that context isn't there, and they're
Speaker 1: just talking about, like how do I be more hot
Speaker 1: to feel better about myself? They are talking about clothes. Pants.
Speaker 1: Pants get brought up a lot. It's like, what is
Speaker 1: this the sisterhood of the Traveling Pants? Um, unbelievable reference.
Speaker 1: You're welcome, and yeah, they talked about like clothes and
Speaker 1: hair and like, you know, stereotypically feminine things. Um so
Speaker 1: still not great even if it did. There's another Beth
Speaker 1: and Nancy passing moment where Beth that's Nancy what? And
Speaker 1: again it is the subtext would be she's getting something
Speaker 1: to impress David. I'd pierce on paper. She asked Nancy
Speaker 1: where she would find a book and Nancy tells her
Speaker 1: a library, right, and then she's just like, all right,
Speaker 1: great work. So that passes. But again, yeah, Beth is
Speaker 1: asking so that she can impress a man. So with
Speaker 1: the subtext, I would say it does not pass. I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's just a man. It's almost as if
Speaker 1: the BECO test is imperfect and not the greatest litmus test.
Speaker 1: Let's see there's an Oh, there's a scene between Susie
Speaker 1: and Beth. It's after Beth is like, hey, like, nerdy camper,
Speaker 1: why don't you do something at the talent show? And
Speaker 1: Susie's like, how dare you ussert my authority? I've been
Speaker 1: busting my balls to make this thing great and everything's
Speaker 1: still a mess and the kids are a bunch of amateurs.
Speaker 1: So she's like going on this long tirade to Beth,
Speaker 1: but Beth never responds, so that all that doesn't I
Speaker 1: would say, actually that this movie does not pass. That's
Speaker 1: what I thought, because of all of the sub subtext.
Speaker 1: Yeah but wait, what was the one? There was one
Speaker 1: where you guys commit the one about the crayons and
Speaker 1: the markers. But that scene. But I think if we're
Speaker 1: going in on the subtext, that series of lines is
Speaker 1: just a run Yeah, that's a run up to her
Speaker 1: person into tears over her ex husband. Right, Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: breaking down emotionally because she's so distraught because of her husband.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that that whole the subtext there is still
Speaker 1: revolving around a man. So let's say this. If you're
Speaker 1: just reading a lot of these conversations on paper and
Speaker 1: don't know the subtext of them at all, the movie
Speaker 1: would technically pass a few times. But when you add
Speaker 1: then the subtext back in, all of those conversations have
Speaker 1: to do with a man, which, as you said, it
Speaker 1: makes sense. This is a movie about romance, largely hetero romance,
Speaker 1: so it makes sense that you know, if women are talking,
Speaker 1: it's because of a romantic interest in some regard so yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would say that with subtexts, the
Speaker 1: movie does not pass. I'd still say it's rather progressive
Speaker 1: for the time age. Yeah, so well, let's let's write
Speaker 1: the movie on our nipple scale zero to five nipples
Speaker 1: is our range, and we rate based on its portrayal
Speaker 1: and representation of women. I would say, for me, it's
Speaker 1: weird because this movie is so silly and so stupid that,
Speaker 1: like I said, it's hard to take anything kind of
Speaker 1: at face value because the intent of the filmmakers is
Speaker 1: often not very clear. The jokes kind of maybe undermine
Speaker 1: some of the stuff. And it's like, does this movie
Speaker 1: have so many horny women in it because the filmmaker
Speaker 1: wanted to portray like a sex positive narrative of like
Speaker 1: female characters like owning their sexual reality. Or is it
Speaker 1: because the filmmaker just wanted to have like a bunch
Speaker 1: of horny teens, Because that's funny, kind of hard to say.
Speaker 1: What does come across? Is it? Maybe? I can't think? Okay,
Speaker 1: so let's say it's both because there's no there's no
Speaker 1: slut shaming. That's true. Normally, when it's just the second one,
Speaker 1: there would be some of like oh, she's a horror
Speaker 1: you know, and there's not there's none of that. I
Speaker 1: mean compared, there's a bit too abby. There's a few
Speaker 1: moments where they're like, she's the sluttiest girly camp. There's
Speaker 1: a few true if you compare this movie to like
Speaker 1: Sleepaway Camp, which is another movie about teens away at
Speaker 1: a summer camp and very different genre, but in that
Speaker 1: movie you follow the tropes of like, any women who
Speaker 1: have sex get murdered because horror movie. Um so at least,
Speaker 1: and that's just you know, a way of like shaming
Speaker 1: women for having sexuality. Basically, so, um at least no
Speaker 1: women getting murdered in this movie, so and that stuff.
Speaker 1: For that, I give it five nipples. No, I would say,
Speaker 1: I'm going to give us like a two and a half.
Speaker 1: It's progressive for its time, but it's I don't think
Speaker 1: this movie is going out of its way to like
Speaker 1: be progressive or toold make any profound statements about like
Speaker 1: gender politics or anything like that. I think because of
Speaker 1: the movie being is like silly as it is, it's
Speaker 1: sort of by accident, has some like interesting female characters
Speaker 1: who have agency over their own sexuality and things like that.
Speaker 1: But we also see, you know, fairly well fleshed out
Speaker 1: female characters in like Beth and her being in charge
Speaker 1: and like the respected leader in the community, stuff like that.
Speaker 1: It's nice, But I also think that it's just it's
Speaker 1: almost too stupid to be like a movie that we
Speaker 1: can classify as a feminist text. I would argue that
Speaker 1: that that's not fair, Like I don't think that you
Speaker 1: can you can say that based on a genre, Like
Speaker 1: I think if a movie follows through on like what
Speaker 1: type of movie it is, it can still be excellent
Speaker 1: as that type of movie. Sure, And this is not
Speaker 1: to say that I'm putting comedies in this. This is
Speaker 1: a broad, absurdist comment. But I think that it's still,
Speaker 1: like I'm going to rate it three point five interesting, Okay.
Speaker 1: I think that that Beth very easily could have been
Speaker 1: a male character and she wasn't. And she's the leader
Speaker 1: of the entire camp, and she's like our our backbone
Speaker 1: of the story, and I like her as a character.
Speaker 1: And I also like how sex positive the movie is
Speaker 1: and how progressive it is about that the gay couple.
Speaker 1: The perfect I mean, because this movie happened the world's
Speaker 1: most perfect scene was to film, and for that we
Speaker 1: have to be grateful. I'm gonna hit with three for
Speaker 1: all the affirmation. I mean, it is great to see
Speaker 1: like a teen female character like embracer sexuality and not
Speaker 1: be punished. Especially I think that was a really good
Speaker 1: point gal of like in the context of Camp, where
Speaker 1: teenage girls are always punished for sexuality at camp. Something
Speaker 1: with our Listen to our Friday the thirteenth episode where
Speaker 1: we talk a lot about murder Camp. Uh. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's good to see a bunch of horny nastiness. That's great.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love that scene. Obviously, it is
Speaker 1: the whitest movie of all times worth mentioning. But for
Speaker 1: I agree, especially considering this came out in two thousand one,
Speaker 1: I feel like, as far as two thousand one goes,
Speaker 1: this is pretty much as good as it's going to get.
Speaker 1: My rating was for two thousand and one because the
Speaker 1: ethnicity issues, like the diversity issues are huge in Again,
Speaker 1: I've only seen the Netflix series of this, like the
Speaker 1: I think the first day of Camp I've seen. I
Speaker 1: think I watched that the whole way through. They'd introduce
Speaker 1: a few new characters. I can't remember if any of
Speaker 1: them are people of color or I think it stays
Speaker 1: pretty white. We found the fatal flaw right and this
Speaker 1: otherwise perfect movie. Yeah, So I'm gonna go to two
Speaker 1: point five nipples and I'm going to um give mine
Speaker 1: aipples to one to McKinley, one to Beth, and my
Speaker 1: half nipple will go to Susie because I appreciated that
Speaker 1: she was an artistic director of talent, which is something
Speaker 1: that I used to do. So like I really identified
Speaker 1: with prayer. I know I'm gonna give I had three,
Speaker 1: Give one to Beth and give one to Abby, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give one to Gale. All right, ye would
Speaker 1: you like to give your nipples away rewards? Give one
Speaker 1: to Beth, one to McKinley, one to Katie, and then
Speaker 1: half to Susie. Great, cool, excellent, Allison, Thank you so
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Speaker 1: shall we all go off and be horny at camp? Yeah?
Speaker 1: All right, I'll see you there. Okay, bye bye