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Speaker 1: On the Beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies

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Speaker 1: have women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends

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Speaker 1: and best start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Caitlin

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Speaker 1: Darante Jamie, and we host a podcast about the representation

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Speaker 1: of women in film. It's the one you're listening to, right,

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Speaker 1: is it at this very second? And Jesus Christ go on, well, no,

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Speaker 1: like I feel like we should go home there. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so this is our podcast about the portrayal of women

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Speaker 1: in movies. We use the Beck Delf test as a

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Speaker 1: jumping off point to start a larger discussion about the

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Speaker 1: portrayal of women in movies. Jamie, let's pass the Bechdel

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Speaker 1: test by explaining what the Bechtel test is. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: you went some crazy paradox. What you can't describe what

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Speaker 1: the Bechtel test is without breaking the right because you

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Speaker 1: have to say, man, I also just said Bechtel test wrong.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even notice there. Let's let's try this, Hey, Jamie, Hi,

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Speaker 1: can you explain to me what the Bechtel test is

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Speaker 1: please not without breaking it. It's like fight club in

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Speaker 1: that way, or maybe it isn't that. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: The first rule of the Bechtel test is that you

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Speaker 1: cannot talk about the test, the Bechtel test. And that's

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Speaker 1: why this is the last episode of our podcast because

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Speaker 1: we realized we've been breaking the first rule of the

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Speaker 1: Bechdel test. We just never talk about it. I thought

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Speaker 1: this was fun. Well, I think that passed the Bechdel test.

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Speaker 1: It did. Wow. Okay, so we're good. So now we

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Speaker 1: can actually explain what it is, which is, thank god,

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Speaker 1: we can talk about men again. Thank God is getting

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Speaker 1: very stressed out. So if you if you don't know already,

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Speaker 1: the Bechtel test is a test applied to fiction. Old

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Speaker 1: media requires that a movie, let's say, has two female

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Speaker 1: to be about anything besides a man. We just did that, Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's tricky. It's a paradox, it really is. Anyhow, So

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Speaker 1: we're here with a guest to talk about wild summer flick.

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Speaker 1: She is the creator and star of Gossip, which is

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Speaker 1: a scripted comedic soap opera podcast fun Alison Ruskin, Hi, Hi,

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Speaker 1: thanks for being here. Thank you so much for having

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Speaker 1: me anytime. So we're talking about what hot American summer

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Speaker 1: love it? Yeah, that's true. I had never seen this

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Speaker 1: I've never seen it before. I'd heard a lot about it. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: was this came out about two Yeah? You hear? Okay,

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Speaker 1: a two thousand one summer comedy. I don't think this

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Speaker 1: are you forgetting about Shrek? I was about to say Shrek, Caitlin,

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Speaker 1: do we know what month this came out? Because Shrek

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Speaker 1: relationship between Beth and Niles is really I don't know.

420
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like there are definitely some trophy parts

421
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 1: about it, but I feel like almost every trope is

422
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: commented on in some way to the point where I

423
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 1: was basically satisfied with how they treated, Like in the

424
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,959
Speaker 1: first scene where she approached him first and she's like, Hi,

425
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm Beth. I run the Campo a lot. And then

426
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: there's that great line read where she's like asking him like, oh,

427
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: I'd love for you to like to to the kids,

428
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, no, I kid and then she's like, oh,

429
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: but it would be great if you did. He's like, no,

430
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 1: I don't want to. And then she's like, but if

431
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: you He's like I said no, And that's the greatest

432
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: scene I've ever seen. But you know, she's like pretty

433
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: proactive in like pursuing that relationship. She does get a

434
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: makeover at one point sort of, and then she swoops

435
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: her hair to one side and that's basically all that happens, right,

436
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: And I'm like, how have you ever tried that? I mean,

437
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: that will change your life? She did, you know, ensnare

438
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: her one true love? After she did that, and then

439
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I almost thought it was going

440
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: in the direction of like, oh, the woman needs to

441
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: learn everything about the male character in order to impress him,

442
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: but then he does the same thing, so I was like, oh,

443
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: it's actually kind yeah, like that relationship, and then I

444
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: don't know, I liked it a lot. Yeah, and then

445
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: there's like that funny like a comment on the trope

446
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 1: at the end where they're like, we've been trying to

447
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 1: get pregnant and it hasn't been working even though they've

448
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: known each other for like less than twenty four hours.

449
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: So it's a hilarious joke. And then marries a kid, right,

450
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 1: so good. Yeah, So that relationship, I mean, I feel

451
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: like there's really not that much to say about it.

452
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: I thought it was very sweet and funny. Yeah, it's

453
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 1: a rare example, I would say, of a romantic relationship

454
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 1: in a movie where the male character isn't like stalking her,

455
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: trying to trick her vera or vice versa. Yeah, they're

456
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: just like they see each other from afar. They seem

457
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: interested in each other, so they very respectfully just like meet,

458
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: you know, respectful, you know, said a relative term, but

459
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: within the rules of this world. And that's exactly they

460
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: figure out what each of the other person is interested in.

461
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: They go and do research on that so that they

462
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: have more things to talk about. And yeah, she does

463
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: lie at first, and it's like I know all about astrophysics,

464
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: but then she goes out and learns all about that

465
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: one day. I love how this movie operates it within time.

466
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 1: That's my favorite in the movie, because she's like, oh no,

467
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: I don't actually anything about astrophysics, How can I get

468
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: out of this convo? And she's like, um, what time

469
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: is it? And then he looks up at the sky.

470
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: So great, what a great joke. Um. But yeah, So

471
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: it's like in so many movies we see like a

472
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: man lying to a woman, manipulating her for the sake

473
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 1: of like a romantic pursuit or like stalking her, and

474
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: that's supposed to be romantic, like all this stuff. So

475
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: this movie doesn't subscribe to any of those very problematic things.

476
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: And I guess so like points for that, but yeah

477
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: it is. I didn't give it that much thought when

478
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: I was watching it, but yeah, it's like actually a

479
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: pretty well handled like budding of a romantic relationship. Yeah.

480
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: I mean, I also think that, like the movie is

481
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: about sex and love, you know, that's like what the

482
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 1: majority of the characters want and desire and so like

483
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: in the sense that like, for the most part, women

484
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: are talking about men like the men are talking about women.

485
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: I think that's okay though them, and that's like what

486
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: the movie is about. But then I think that they

487
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: handled those relationships well right for being a movie about

488
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: that stuff, right, because you know what movie like that

489
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: that doesn't handle it well at all? Is love actually

490
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: worse ensemble? That's a hot take. I think I haven't

491
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: looked at it with my with my new eyes. Well

492
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: give the Love actually episode. We did listen, and it

493
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: is don't ruin the movie? It is, Yeah, it is.

494
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: If you want to continue to enjoy that movie, you

495
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: can never watch it again. That's really the only way

496
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: you can continue to love it. No, I'm already just

497
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: thinking about moments of that movie and I'm like, oh no,

498
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: the whole the most famous scene is scary, that with

499
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: with the que cards and the horrible Yeah. Can I

500
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: jump ahead to Katie please? Well? I think that so

501
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: Katie is the one that Coop likes, and she's she's

502
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: like the popular girl whose boyfriend Paul Rudd is like

503
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: constantly cheating on her with Elizabeth Banks. And I think

504
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: that we expect her to end up with Coope and

505
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, I eat, this guy is an asshole.

506
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: I should be here with this nice guy who's like

507
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: always been there for me and like it's obsessed with me,

508
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: and that sort of plays into like the nice guys

509
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: deserve the pretty girls, but instead she's like I just

510
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: want to fuck and you're not who I want to

511
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: do that with, and my boyfriend is and I'm sorry there,

512
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: but there is like there, there's a moment where for

513
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: a second, for one scene, you think that she is

514
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: going to end up with she like rushes out of

515
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: the Talent Show and she's like, I love, You're gonna

516
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: be with you, bah bah and he so you get

517
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: that moment that like feels disappointing of like really like

518
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: he's really gonna that doesn't make any sense, and you

519
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: get that kiss, and then it's like the next scene

520
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: where she's like I don't wanna fuck you, blah blah blah.

521
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: And then she also calls out because the whole time

522
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was like, how does she not

523
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: know that Paul Read is cheating on her because a

524
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: child literally drowned while he was cheating on her blatantly

525
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: doing it, But she says, I mean, she's like, I

526
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: know he cheats on me all the time. I don't care.

527
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: I want to suck him as much as I can

528
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: because I'm quote unquote seventeen. I mean in a way,

529
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: isn't that so empowering? I thought it was great. We

530
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: never see women say that, right, This is the thing,

531
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: is like cheating is this thing that I think is

532
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: in a lot of relationships going away because people are

533
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: just in open relationships. So like if you put that

534
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: lens on their relationship, then they're just in an open

535
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: relationship and like who cares, you know what I mean,

536
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: she doesn't care about cheating, then that's basically what it is.

537
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: Then it's not I mean it's not it is still

538
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: cheating because he's lying to her about it. But like

539
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: they could have easily just been in an open relationship

540
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: and she would down. Yeah, so very progressive. Yeah, yeah,

541
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: it's rare that you see a woman who's just like

542
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: so sexually empowered that she's like, I don't really care

543
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: what the circumstances are. I just want to fuck because

544
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: she's not like hurt by him cheating, right, Like, she

545
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: doesn't care. She doesn't care. Even she's like, I know,

546
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: my boyfriend's pretty lame, but like he's extremely high. So

547
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: arguably she's like a little superficial, but like but like

548
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: she's open about it. The only thing that I thought

549
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: that that was like that was definitely and that's within

550
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: this world that makes sense. But her character at the beginning,

551
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: I think part of the reason that that end, her

552
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: ending is so like impactful and kind of like whoa,

553
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: I didn't see that coming is because she doesn't act

554
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: that way for a lot of the movie, where at

555
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: the beginning of the movie, we see her ask for

556
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: more attention from Paul Red's character sick not sex. No,

557
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: there's a there's a scene where she literally says like,

558
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: uh oh, I don't know if I read an the

559
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: exact quote, but there's a scene where she's just like,

560
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: why don't you like pay more? She's asking him for

561
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: more emotion, She's asking him, and then she basically says

562
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: like I feel you're like you're paying attention to other

563
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: people and not me, And so you don't get the

564
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: vibe from her of like all she wants to do

565
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: is fuck. But then in the journey of this twenty

566
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: four hours, at the end she's like, Okay, no, now

567
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: I understand what he's At the beginning, I feel like

568
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: we're supposed to think she has no idea he's cheating

569
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: on her, so it is kind of like a change.

570
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: Although I would say if you rewatch the movie knowing

571
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: how like horny she is at the end and like

572
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: how much she just wants to have sex, if you

573
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: look at her character and like what she says through

574
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: that lens by rewatching the movie, she's always like, come on,

575
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: like when are we going to hang out and like

576
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: go off and like hang out together. So you could

577
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: kind of read it as like when can we go

578
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: off and have sex sort of thing, So it's not

579
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: it's certainly not explicit until the very end. Yeah, she's like,

580
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: I just want to spend time with you, and then

581
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: he says fuck you. So Paul Rud's character, that's he's

582
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: wild because like but he's playing what's very clearly like

583
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: a kind of aggro toxic masculinity. He's he's bad boy.

584
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: He's wearing Aviator sunglasses. He's always like, yeah, he doesn't

585
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: give us she's his girlfriend and kills a child in

586
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: the same scene. Like he's that kind of guy, right,

587
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: But I think that's all played up for humor, and

588
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: if anything is being commented on in this movie, I

589
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: think like toxic masculinity in the form of his character

590
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: is sort of like being commented on or like when

591
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: I was at camp, like of course you love that guy,

592
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: and so it like makes you realize what a loser

593
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: that guy was. And I also think the fact that

594
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: Paul Red, even though he is eternally young, he's clearly not,

595
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: you know, a teenager in that movie. He's like it,

596
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: well into his thirties. But it is cool to see

597
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: someone with like a teenager ish swagger, like in the

598
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: body of a thirty three year old man looks he

599
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: was thirty three, and Paul Red is born to thirty two.

600
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: He's born in sixty nine, which is what Paul Red

601
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 1: is fort nine years old. Just so everyone knows, there

602
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: is a Dorrian Gray portrait somewhere rotting away as Paul

603
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: drinks people's blood and grows more powerful. I'm assuming we

604
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: don't know. I think it's a theory. But Paul Red

605
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: is forty nine years old. He's thirty two years old

606
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: in this It's it's insane, it's unfair, it's violence against

607
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: all humans. I also want to talk about Coop's approach

608
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: to his crush on Katie, because at one point he

609
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: says something like, you know, I love you, and I

610
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:28,959
Speaker 1: love the way you laugh, and I love I don't

611
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: care that you're bilingual. A bunch like silly stuff, but

612
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: like he's mostly saying that he appreciates her for her

613
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: like personality, her intelligence or sense of humor. But also

614
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the movie, they have a very

615
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: brief conversation and he says, that's the longest I've ever

616
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: talked to her. So I think that they don't really

617
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: even know each other. I think he's just saying that

618
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: stuff because that's like what he thinks, he thinks, but

619
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: really he just thinks she's beautiful. Yeah, I think that

620
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: they're I mean, I feel like Coop is one of

621
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: the more subtle uses of common terry in a very

622
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: unsettle movie where he is kind of like set up

623
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: to be this typical like you know, nice guys finished

624
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: last but until the end of the movie, and then

625
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 1: he gets the girl like you were just saying, Elison,

626
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: But then he doesn't like he you know, like he

627
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 1: doesn't get what he wants. And I think that that's

628
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: cool and it calls out that like he barely does know,

629
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: so like the things he says at the end are

630
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: kind of empty platitudes. But then also like they do

631
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: become friends throughout the weird amount of time that the

632
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: movie takes place, and because there's a few scenes of

633
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: them alone together, there's like when everyone finds out that

634
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 1: like he hasn't you know, like gotten laid, and she

635
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: is saying, I guess, like she's like, well why not.

636
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: You should be sucking as much as possible, and he's like, uh,

637
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: you know, like sluts Rock, it just has to be

638
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: the right slut. Like that's very He's very sex positive

639
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 1: and not slut sham. So sluts Rock, said feminist icon

640
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: Coop about, well, then that reminds me of another character,

641
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: Victor ken Marino's character, where he is like putting on

642
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: this like persona of like being this like macho stud

643
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: who fox everyone, and he's like so good at sex,

644
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 1: and then he reveals to draw the trilio that he

645
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: is a virgin. He's never had sex before, and it

646
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: was this big shocker for us as him, the guy

647
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: constantly talking about sex has never had sex. So if again,

648
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: that might be intentional commentary on sort of you know,

649
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: toxic masculinity, or it just might be a silly joke.

650
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to tell, but um yeah, I

651
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: don't know. Like his character is just like so absurd.

652
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: Although man, I'm just I keep thinking of all the

653
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: very funny things that happened this movie. When he's like

654
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: running back to camp the bail of Hay because he

655
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: has to like jump over. Oh another scene. This is

656
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: a different character, but another scene that I love so

657
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: much is Andy Paul Rod finishing his lunch or something

658
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: and then like flinging his plate and then Beth is like,

659
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Pick that up right now? And

660
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: he's just like, I'll get it later, and she's like, no,

661
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: pick that up now. Yeah, And then he respects her

662
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: authority because she's a respectful figure. There, let's let's go.

663
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 1: There's so many characters. Gail the Molly Shannon character. Yes,

664
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: this is another character where at first I'm like, uh,

665
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: this is one of the characters I probably like the least.

666
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: But then she still has an arc, like they all

667
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: have tiny arcs that are mostly effective where we're introduced

668
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: to her and kind of like another trophy character of

669
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: like the divorced woman who can't get over it, and

670
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: she's so she's so divorced, she's handicapped. Yeah, yeah, like

671
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: she can't even do her job right that she's so

672
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: upset about her divorce from Judah Freelander, which is like,

673
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: talk about a twist right to Freelander thinking he could

674
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: deserve Molly Shannon. But by the end it's like it.

675
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: First the laughs are coming from the fact that it's like, oh,

676
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: she's so pathetic, she can't move on, she can't do

677
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: her job. But then her students, especially one special guy

678
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: who she does marry, even though he's a loving like

679
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: coach her and get her confidence up. And then we

680
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: she has a moment at the talent show where she

681
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: stands up for herself. Judah Freelander shows up and he's like,

682
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: take me back, and she's like, no, I'm with She

683
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: doesn't even say I'm with him now, which is great.

684
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: But later we're like, she she do what she was

685
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: gonna do. She's going to marry that kid, she's already

686
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 1: there's another man's let's try to unpack that. Okay, Okay,

687
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: never mind, I want that could not have been gender reversed.

688
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: That would have been it would be having a very

689
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: different Let me keep that. Okay, So are we say

690
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: that at least we never see them kiss, because we

691
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: do see Abby kiss that kid named Moose. At the end,

692
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: I just say that I don't support older women and children.

693
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like in our society tends to be

694
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: more accepted, even though it shouldn't be. Let the let

695
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: the record that we hear on the Bectel Cast do

696
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: not support adults in romantic relationships with children. I know

697
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: that's a hot take, but but we are not for that. Um.

698
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just like I get it, they're doing

699
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: it for the joke, and it is, but again it's

700
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: the older woman and the younger boy. But it's like

701
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: I feel like, until very very recently, that's always been

702
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: you as like great job man, for sure, like cool

703
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: you you've got an older woman, great for you, And

704
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: like only like like in the last two weeks people like,

705
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: actually that's not still statutory, right, Yeah, yeah, because you

706
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: hear stories about like teenage boys having sex with their

707
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: like teachers, female teachers, and like the idea for a

708
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: long time and still a lot of people think this

709
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: is just like yeah, way, just like good jobs, like

710
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: this belief that like boys can't be taking advantage of

711
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: which which doesn't make any sense because when they're taking

712
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: advantage of by men, everyone understands that that's like not appropriate. Right,

713
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 1: let's unpack that out. I mean there's perhaps hyper masculinity

714
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: is alive and well and what no, I agree with

715
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: everything that was just said. Let the record show it

716
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: made me laugh. Um and okay, one one more note

717
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: on the Gail character. Inside of that storyline, there were

718
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: a few like cool lines from whenever the kids are

719
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: pumping her up, which is not problematic for kids to

720
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: be supportive of their perhaps suffering teacher. I mean, it

721
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: is problematic for her to be like, here are my

722
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: very personal issues, but it's a movie. But there are

723
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: female students that are encouraging her as well, like they're like,

724
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot that men do that's inexcusable, and they're

725
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 1: basically her like young students are rejecting like hyper masculinity

726
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: in theory, and she's like, oh, I've never thought of

727
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: it this way. Maybe Judah Freelander is a loser and

728
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And so I thought that was good.

729
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: I don't know why I started anti this storyline, and

730
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: then for some reason just like violently defended so the

731
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: youth is the future. That's it's true. All right, we

732
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: still have four characters to talk about, So let's take

733
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 1: a quick break and we'll be back in a second.

734
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 1: And we're back, So who do we want to do next.

735
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: There's a few small quickies. There's Lindsay, the Elizabeth Banks character.

736
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 1: Her thing is that she sucks. She's very horny. She's

737
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: a woman aggressively going after Andy. Paul Rudd. He is

738
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: receptive to it, even though oftentimes his girlfriend Katie is

739
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: right there. Um. But then he decides, so they make

740
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,439
Speaker 1: out a few times. One of those times a kid

741
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: does drown on his watch, and then he throws another

742
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: kid who was like his swimming partner out of a

743
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: van to like the kid killer nothing. But also those

744
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: scenes make me laughing. Really, the drowning scene, I was dying.

745
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: I will say Elizabeth Banks early in her career, and

746
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: I think she's so interesting. I really like her, and

747
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: she like once she and I feel like this is

748
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: a kind of a common path for female actors almost

749
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: by nature of how the careers were. Yeah, by by

750
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: default is what I'm gonna say. She's look out about

751
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: it later, but early in her career there's a lot

752
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: of roles like this that she's given over and over

753
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: and over. I think I mean pretty clearly because she's

754
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: she's very talented, she's so funny in this movie, but

755
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: she's not given much to do kind of because of

756
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: her body type and because of how she looks. She

757
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: plays a very similar role that is not commenting on

758
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: anything in The forty year Old Virgin, just like early

759
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: in her career Old Virgin, she sucks Steve Carrell for

760
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: no reason. It's a very frustrating movie to watch her

761
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: and like it's basically pick up that bar. She's the

762
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: one who's like wasted, No, that's Leslie Man. She works

763
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: at like a bookstore. And Seth Rogan, who should be

764
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: deported back to Canada. I can't say it enough. Basically,

765
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 1: Seth Rogan sends Steve Carrell's character and to be like, hey,

766
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: she's wearing a thong so you could suck her. And

767
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: then Steve Carrell goes to her and she's like, who's

768
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: this hottie? Like it's just the whole scene is insane.

769
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: But like Elizabeth Banks's early career is littered with characters

770
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: like this in a way that makes me like frustrated

771
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: for her because we know now she's capable of so

772
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: much more, and it's done a lot of good stuff,

773
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: and I think that's what Joe herd to produce and

774
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: to direct and to be more in the creative positions,

775
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: that she could have those roles that were meteor. So

776
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: even though she's like good in this movie, we know

777
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: that she's capable of much more. I was like a

778
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: little frustrated. Also the founder of who Ha ha, which

779
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: is a celebration of women in comedy and like empowerment

780
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: of women doing comedy stuff, very true. And then the year,

781
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: I mean this is like the year before, she's like

782
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: rejected from being given the part of Mary Jane Watson

783
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: in the first Spider Man movie because she was too old,

784
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: even though she was the same age as Toby McGuire. So,

785
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: oh my god, really, yeah, she's she's has a very

786
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: small part in Spider Man, but the part, I mean,

787
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: Toby McGuire was too old to play Spider Man. It

788
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: was like twenty eight or something, and Elizabeth Banks was

789
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 1: twenty eight and they're actually told me the Wuire's Kris

790
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: and Dunce is seventeen, so she was only seventeen. She

791
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: was only seventeen in that Movie's just a bunch of

792
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: upsetting fun facts about So in this movie, I'm like, man,

793
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: this is the era where Elizabeth Banks is not getting

794
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: her do right. Yeah, well, um she's shown us though.

795
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: Yeah wait wait seventeen years and then we see her

796
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: full potential, right. Yeah, She's basically only in this story

797
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: to be seen making out with Paul Red a few

798
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: times and to have barbecue sauce all over her face.

799
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: That was fun, that was fun. But her talents are

800
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 1: under utilized in that character is barely written. Like, yeah,

801
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: she's kind of I thought for some reason when I

802
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: before I started rewatching this, I thought that she had

803
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: a much more like crucial role in the story. And

804
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh no, she like hardly does anything.

805
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: She's only there to make it. Yeah, Like when we

806
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: think of the movie with her, we're like, oh, she's

807
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: going to be the star, gonna have a big role.

808
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 1: No one uses Elizabeth Banks in a meaningful way until

809
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: like two thousand and eight. It's crazy. Yeah. Anyways, shall

810
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: we talk about Susie Amy Poehler's character. Yeah, she, I

811
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: think is the only female character whose storyline does not

812
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: deal with a romantic relationship to a man. Yeah, yeah,

813
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: so that was interesting. She's all about making the talent

814
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: show the best it can possibly be. Peak theater kid,

815
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: I can't remember. So, so she's working closely with Ben

816
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: played by Bradley Cooper, and I can't remember which of

817
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: them is like the she's the producer and he's the

818
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: director of choreography or vice versa. I forget who exactly

819
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: has I think she'd have to be the producer, right,

820
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: she has such a she's so intense, right, Yeah, So

821
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 1: she's working closely with him, and they're both like these

822
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: like kind of authoritarian like artistic types to be like

823
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: what this has to be like this, and these kids

824
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: fucking suck singing and such a travesty, which I find

825
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: to be very funny because then the kids do fine,

826
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 1: really good job and she's like, oh, that's horrible bullshit.

827
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: But yes, I enjoyed that there was at least one

828
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 1: storyline that doesn't tie her to like a romantic interest,

829
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: and another character who we see a few different sides

830
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: of where most of her spoken lines are very uptight,

831
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: like oh, I'm a theater director. But then she's also

832
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: heavily featured in the scene where they get so high

833
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 1: they almost die and she's like having fun and she's

834
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: like she's friends with Katie. Apparently there's like a few

835
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: different scenes where they're like like you know, friend cuddling

836
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: or whatever, and so it's like it's also like so

837
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: supportive of the marriage. Yeah, she's like playing a flute

838
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: or a recorder. Yeah, she's like super okay with that,

839
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: and like, so he's got a bunch of stuff going on.

840
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: We don't see a full life. We don't see that

841
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 1: much of her on screen. We're kind of filling the blanks.

842
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,959
Speaker 1: But like an Amy Pool is just so good that

843
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: I feel, yeah, like you feel like you see her

844
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: more than you actually do, because every time you see her,

845
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: yeah yeah she I mean she buries Bradley Cooper every time.

846
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: Sorry Bradley, but can you imagine them now? She would

847
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: still now, she would still him. That's why they have

848
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: not appeared on screen. Who else do we have? We

849
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: have Abby? Abby? Yes, Abby is the another very horny girl.

850
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm kind of really into how horny all the girls are,

851
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 1: especially because they're not ever like shamed. They're never shamed,

852
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: and the boys are too, Like I think it's just

853
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: a commentary on like this time in your life when

854
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: like your hormones are just like out of control and

855
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: you're like in this contained space with like very minimal supervision.

856
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: And then they just turned it to eleven because the

857
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: movie starts with like a bunk full of like what

858
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: do they like eleven year olds? Everyone is just making

859
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: out under the verse, and then they like sneak out

860
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: and then there's like the shot of like all the

861
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: campers from every cabin having to run back to their

862
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: horny movie at all time. So much horny depth, but

863
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: like what jew camp is like from what I never

864
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: went to a Jewish camp. I went to regular camp,

865
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: but I heard that JUW camp was like I'm Jewish,

866
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: I can say it was like even more like sexed

867
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: up than like regular sleepboy camp. Fun and my sleepboy

868
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 1: camp wasn't horny at all. I went to girl Scout camp.

869
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: Was it horny? Guys? It was unfortunately not that horny.

870
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: Goddamn it. I want to go to horny camps too late,

871
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't think so Abby and Lindsay

872
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: make out at the end. Yeah, there's a scene between

873
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 1: the two of them where how did you get at

874
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: where did you fall on that? I wasn't sure. I

875
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 1: was hardy well that because I'm like, isn't being played

876
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: for last it kind of? I think it is, Yeah,

877
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: And I think these are two of the horny's characters

878
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: we see, let's put them together and have them. I

879
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: think the idea is that they're so horny that it

880
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who they're kissing. So I don't know if

881
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: it's even like there like queer characters. It's more that

882
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: they're just like, these are two such horny people that

883
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: they'll make out with a kid, they'll make out with

884
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: a woman, even if they aren't queer, like obviously one

885
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: that makes that with a kid, right, yes, yeah, okay,

886
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: so I seed this movie out loud. There is a

887
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: lot of problems. So yeah, I think it was played

888
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: more as a joke and less as although like who

889
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: knows they might be by they might be you know,

890
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: pan sexual? Who knows? We simply don't know them very

891
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: well exactly. So I think with the context were given

892
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: about their sexuality, it's not that much because up till

893
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: then we've only seen them kissing men were literal boys,

894
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: so that they're there's their sexual preferences aren't really explored

895
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: enough to know whether or not they're actually queer, which

896
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 1: is which that that moment, I was like, Oh, this

897
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: is kind of a bummer a little bit, because it

898
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 1: is kind of being played for last in a movie

899
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: that otherwise dealt with queerness, I thought, in a way

900
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: more mature way than most movies and it's genre would

901
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: And so I was like, Oh, that's kind of a

902
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: throwaway joke because I think we're led to believe that

903
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: they are not queer, and there's nothing in the subtext

904
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: of the movie that would suggest right otherwise except for

905
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: that one. Except for that one. But it's a joke,

906
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 1: So I didn't like love that. But also I don't know,

907
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I'm kind of just like,

908
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: there's another kind of problematic moment where um, a lot

909
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: of the counselors are kind of taking off their clothes

910
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: and like getting into their their like in their bikinis,

911
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 1: and they're about to take a dip in the pond

912
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: or whatever, and I think it's J J. Gary and

913
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: McKinley is there too, I think, and they're basically just

914
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: like watching them. So it's like, but the way it's

915
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: shot is like very male gaze, where it's like panning

916
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: up and down there like scantily clad bodies, and like,

917
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: so I get it if you want to show kind

918
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: of toxic male characters gazing at women and like make

919
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: a commentary on how like that's kind of gross because

920
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: that's what's happening. But also the way it's shot means

921
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: that we're seeing it through their lens, which is still

922
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: the male gaze, and it's still like leaves lingering ways. Yeah,

923
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: like here's he's so gross, but also you get to

924
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: see it, dude. Yeah. Yeah, So that's when like McKinley,

925
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: who has no interest in women, sneaks off and he's

926
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: like I don't care about what seeing girls in their bikinis,

927
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: and then we see him go into like the shed

928
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: and start having sex with Ben. So let's talk about that.

929
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,959
Speaker 1: We've been waiting so long to talk about that. It's

930
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 1: a great scene. Yeah, yeah, it's like steamy and hot.

931
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: It's not like for laughs at all. I'd say it's

932
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 1: like the most genuine of this, like the makeout scenes,

933
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: and like, I mean, it's a beautiful moment. Great because

934
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: a lot of the other sexy moments in the movie

935
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 1: are played relax because it's like either characters like shoving

936
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: gum into their mouth right before they make out, or

937
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: like a character taking your shirt off for no reason,

938
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: or like a character's face like covering in barbecue sauce.

939
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: So it feels like it was so planned or like

940
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: it was like a goal versus just like a genuine

941
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: attraction between two people. And this is just like they

942
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: have just like incredible chemistry. Straight sexuality as portrayed by

943
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: this movie is fucking gross, nasty, yeah, and and and

944
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: it's stinky and it's dirty, and then you see this

945
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: like incredible sex scene in a shed where you're just like, I,

946
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: I didn't know, I wanted to see Michael Ian black shirtless.

947
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: I didn't know, and then I did and know they

948
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: never go back. And then and then the way their

949
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: story lamp plays out, I thought it was like cool

950
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: to see how many you know, because there are like

951
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: gay slurs used in this movie, but the characters who

952
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: use them then witness the wedding and you see that

953
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: there's a good portion of this camp in that is

954
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: so supportive of this setting. We're playing flutes where you know,

955
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: like the head of the camp is officiating the wedding,

956
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: and then those characters come around because they change so

957
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: they use like the homophobic slurs and there it seems

958
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: like they're grossed out at first, but then and this

959
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: is all this is that one day and this is

960
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 1: played as a joke, but I think the joke works

961
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: because you think that they're horrified and disgusted by their

962
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: same sex relationship. And there's a scene where they, like

963
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 1: where j J and Gary go and like confront McKinley

964
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: and Ben and they're like, hey, McKinley, this is for you.

965
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: And you think they're gonna like like assault them or

966
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: something like that, but they buy them like a chaise

967
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: lounge and they're like, hey, here, we just bought this

968
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 1: for you. I hope it matches with your other frontitor whatever.

969
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 1: They're like, oh my gosh, it does. Then and then

970
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: queer bashing is resolved at this camp forever. So yeah,

971
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: those like characters that start out being homophobic like very

972
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: quickly learn their lesson and come around. If only it

973
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: were that easy. Um, I want to go back to

974
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: their sex scene. Though. Queer characters are so underrepresented in

975
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: media that it's horrible travesty when they are represented, it's

976
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: usually a horrible misrepresentation, and even if they're represented in

977
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: a positive light, we usually don't get to see especially

978
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: men kissing other men and definitely not gay mail sex,

979
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: like we only it'll maybe like cut off right at

980
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,760
Speaker 1: the kiss or like you don't. So even mainstream movies

981
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: about queer characters in a romantic context, we might if

982
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: we're lucky, we get to see two men kiss, and

983
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 1: even that's rare. You know, I got my fingers crossed.

984
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: I just want to see kiss, which is true for me. Um,

985
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: But the fact that you like see it's not a

986
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: epic sex scene. It's the way that you treat a

987
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: sex scene between like a straight couple in like a

988
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: like a PG thirteen movie. You know, like it's like shade.

989
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: It's like kind of like a cruel intentions level, like

990
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: a sex scene where it's like really hot and like

991
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: when you're a kid and you watch, you're like this

992
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: is incredible, but then like as an adult, like, oh,

993
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm not actually seeing anything scandalous, but they created this

994
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: feeling in this moment that felt very sexual for sure. Yeah,

995
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: so I just even though it's just like close ups

996
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: on their socks yea. Even so, like I think it's

997
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:39,720
Speaker 1: pretty fascinating, and does this movie handle queer culture super well?

998
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: And is it super responsible? I would argue, like, you know,

999
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: it's it could be worse, it could be better. But

1000
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 1: the fact that you do see like a same sex

1001
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: male sex scene in this movie, when that almost never happens,

1002
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: and it's and they then get married, Yeah, they're like

1003
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 1: in love. It's not just like, oh I experimented right right, Yeah,

1004
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: I can't get beautiful. It's it's like really hot and

1005
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: then later it's beautiful. Great, what's a journey that one day? Yeah?

1006
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: I mean as a straight person, I see scenes like

1007
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: this and I'm like, there's probably something problematic here, but

1008
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: I don't know quite what it is because I'm like

1009
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: seeing it through the lens of a straight lady. But

1010
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: if any listeners have additional thoughts on this scene, please

1011
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: let us know, yes, yes, yes, please, if anyone just

1012
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: wants to talk about it, if anyone just wants to

1013
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: watch the scene with us. We really like the scene

1014
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: that we think it's very hot, yes, yes, yes, yes.

1015
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: Who else do we have to talk about? We could

1016
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: talk about Gene. I don't know, I mean Gene is

1017
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: the lunchman. The lunchman there, I mean there, It's It's

1018
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: it's hard with a movie like this because I could

1019
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: say perhaps that they are because he his whole storyline

1020
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: is he when he got back from Vietnam, he was different,

1021
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: and so his whole storyline is a veteran PTSD joke

1022
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: that's worth saying, and how he has multiple personnelity like

1023
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: it plays multiple personality disorder as a jog, that plays

1024
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: PTSD as a jug, It plays being a veteran as

1025
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: a joke. It portrays veterans that are crazy, but then

1026
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: it's portraying veterans that have mental illness but are also

1027
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: really cool with it, which is not really a realistic

1028
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: portrayal of anything in the world of the movie. I

1029
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: honestly don't know where to fall on it, but it's

1030
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: worth acknowledging that his whole character is a big PTSD

1031
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: mental illness joke and that has maybe manifested into like

1032
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: some interesting kink things that he is now into fondling

1033
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: sweaters and having Dick cook cream and so yeah, the

1034
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: way that whole thing is handled hallucination is in the

1035
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: form of a stron Benjamin. I would argue that that

1036
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: character is real and a camper at the camp. I

1037
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: think that can of vegetables is I think. I think

1038
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: our vegetable listeners are cans of vegetable listeners, of which

1039
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: we have many. Sorry if I made you not feel seen, right,

1040
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: I think, Um, they're real and we need to respect

1041
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: them as they are. My deepest apologies. It's okay. Um, yeah,

1042
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: I think that we touched on every There's one other

1043
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: named female character of the adults, and there might be

1044
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: some like of the campers the kids, but um, they

1045
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: so rarely play into the story that yeah, the character right. Um,

1046
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: there's Nancy, the nurse. She works at the infirmary. The

1047
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: big moment that she she has a few moments. She

1048
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: like basically has to remind several adults what a library

1049
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: is and how do you use it? I forgot about that.

1050
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: And she goes up to Beth whenever Beth is saying

1051
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: that she's going to go into town, and Nancy says,

1052
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: if you're going into town, can you pick me up

1053
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: something at the drug store. My husband's coming today and

1054
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: I need some lube for my pussy. Uh does that

1055
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: seem pass the bacto test? We'll find out, but stay tuned. Yea.

1056
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: So she is also extremely horny and sexual. So another

1057
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: example of a sexually liberated progressive gal in the movie.

1058
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: And I guess she's meant to be older if she

1059
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: has a husband, because I feel like some of the

1060
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: characters are like some are older. Gail, Yeah, Gail, who

1061
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: is like married and divorced, and Nancy must be so

1062
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: they're not like the counselors who are like, you know,

1063
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: these sixteen year old kids. But um, yeah, I mean

1064
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: there's hardly anything to say about her aside from the

1065
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: fact that she is very horny and wants to have

1066
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: sex with her husband. Everyone in this movie is very horny.

1067
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: An equal opportunity you know, provider. Yeah, yeah, I mean

1068
01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: I support that. Literally every person in this movie can

1069
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 1: of vegetables is horny for someone. He said something. He

1070
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: sucks his own dick, So there's like, I do it.

1071
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: This is the dumbest movie, but so fun, so much fun.

1072
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: Does anyone have any other thoughts about the representation of

1073
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:26,439
Speaker 1: women in White Hot American Summer? I think pretty good. Well,

1074
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: let's talk about whether or not this movie passes the

1075
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: backtel test. By everything I could tell for sure, it

1076
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: does a lot of different times. Yes, I don't know,

1077
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: so by our standard, we just need a two line exchange.

1078
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: So it's a low bar for us. Uh And yet

1079
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: so many movies don't bother to even try. But there's

1080
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: a scene um in like the arts and crafts classroom

1081
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: between Gail and then Valerie is named um. Valerie is like, hey,

1082
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: we could draw with some markers and carols like listen, Valerie,

1083
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: I need you to be helpful here. I do not

1084
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: need you to undermine me, and felleries like but there's

1085
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: only one crayon, like we could color with these hundreds

1086
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: of colored markers, and then Gail starts sobbing. But does

1087
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: that count because there are there are male campers in

1088
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: the scene? Um, right, for the way that we do it,

1089
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: our interpretation of it, it does. Okay, I played by

1090
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 1: your rules. And the first time I had it counting

1091
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: was there's like a very dumb exchange between Beth and

1092
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: Nancy where like Beth says, like, we got through another

1093
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: summer except for a couple of kids who became lepers,

1094
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: and then Nancy says, good one. Beth, You're like, yeah,

1095
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: that's technically fast unless the campers who are now lepers

1096
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: were all boys. We don't. Uh. Then there's that scene

1097
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: between Beth and Katie that is the text of it is, yeah, Katie,

1098
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: you're hot, right, But that's about seducing a man, right,

1099
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: that one I in the subtext it's it's tricky, I

1100
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: don't know this one. Ann is never mentioned until the

1101
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: very end of that conversation, which this conversation maybe like

1102
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 1: a minute or too long. So it's Katie's like, you dog,

1103
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: you have a crush on someone, and she's like, I

1104
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: do have a crash. I just don't think he's interested.

1105
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: But up until that part of the conversation, a man

1106
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: is not mentioned. But you're right the whole but we

1107
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: know why she's asked. The subtext of that conversation is

1108
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: so that she can be more physically appealing to a man.

1109
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: So I would say that does not pass for that reason. Um,

1110
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: and let's say that that context isn't there, and they're

1111
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: just talking about, like how do I be more hot

1112
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: to feel better about myself? They are talking about clothes. Pants.

1113
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 1: Pants get brought up a lot. It's like, what is

1114
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: this the sisterhood of the Traveling Pants? Um, unbelievable reference.

1115
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,959
Speaker 1: You're welcome, and yeah, they talked about like clothes and

1116
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: hair and like, you know, stereotypically feminine things. Um so

1117
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: still not great even if it did. There's another Beth

1118
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: and Nancy passing moment where Beth that's Nancy what? And

1119
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: again it is the subtext would be she's getting something

1120
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: to impress David. I'd pierce on paper. She asked Nancy

1121
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: where she would find a book and Nancy tells her

1122
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: a library, right, and then she's just like, all right,

1123
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: great work. So that passes. But again, yeah, Beth is

1124
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: asking so that she can impress a man. So with

1125
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: the subtext, I would say it does not pass. I

1126
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: don't know, it's just a man. It's almost as if

1127
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: the BECO test is imperfect and not the greatest litmus test.

1128
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: Let's see there's an Oh, there's a scene between Susie

1129
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: and Beth. It's after Beth is like, hey, like, nerdy camper,

1130
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: why don't you do something at the talent show? And

1131
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: Susie's like, how dare you ussert my authority? I've been

1132
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: busting my balls to make this thing great and everything's

1133
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: still a mess and the kids are a bunch of amateurs.

1134
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: So she's like going on this long tirade to Beth,

1135
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: but Beth never responds, so that all that doesn't I

1136
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: would say, actually that this movie does not pass. That's

1137
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: what I thought, because of all of the sub subtext.

1138
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: Yeah but wait, what was the one? There was one

1139
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: where you guys commit the one about the crayons and

1140
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: the markers. But that scene. But I think if we're

1141
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: going in on the subtext, that series of lines is

1142
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: just a run Yeah, that's a run up to her

1143
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: person into tears over her ex husband. Right, Yeah, she's

1144
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: breaking down emotionally because she's so distraught because of her husband.

1145
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, that that whole the subtext there is still

1146
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: revolving around a man. So let's say this. If you're

1147
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 1: just reading a lot of these conversations on paper and

1148
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: don't know the subtext of them at all, the movie

1149
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: would technically pass a few times. But when you add

1150
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: then the subtext back in, all of those conversations have

1151
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: to do with a man, which, as you said, it

1152
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 1: makes sense. This is a movie about romance, largely hetero romance,

1153
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 1: so it makes sense that you know, if women are talking,

1154
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,959
Speaker 1: it's because of a romantic interest in some regard so yeah,

1155
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would say that with subtexts, the

1156
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: movie does not pass. I'd still say it's rather progressive

1157
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 1: for the time age. Yeah, so well, let's let's write

1158
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: the movie on our nipple scale zero to five nipples

1159
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: is our range, and we rate based on its portrayal

1160
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: and representation of women. I would say, for me, it's

1161
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: weird because this movie is so silly and so stupid that,

1162
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: like I said, it's hard to take anything kind of

1163
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: at face value because the intent of the filmmakers is

1164
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 1: often not very clear. The jokes kind of maybe undermine

1165
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: some of the stuff. And it's like, does this movie

1166
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 1: have so many horny women in it because the filmmaker

1167
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: wanted to portray like a sex positive narrative of like

1168
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 1: female characters like owning their sexual reality. Or is it

1169
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: because the filmmaker just wanted to have like a bunch

1170
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: of horny teens, Because that's funny, kind of hard to say.

1171
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: What does come across? Is it? Maybe? I can't think? Okay,

1172
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: so let's say it's both because there's no there's no

1173
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 1: slut shaming. That's true. Normally, when it's just the second one,

1174
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 1: there would be some of like oh, she's a horror

1175
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 1: you know, and there's not there's none of that. I

1176
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: mean compared, there's a bit too abby. There's a few

1177
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: moments where they're like, she's the sluttiest girly camp. There's

1178
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: a few true if you compare this movie to like

1179
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 1: Sleepaway Camp, which is another movie about teens away at

1180
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 1: a summer camp and very different genre, but in that

1181
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: movie you follow the tropes of like, any women who

1182
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: have sex get murdered because horror movie. Um so at least,

1183
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: and that's just you know, a way of like shaming

1184
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: women for having sexuality. Basically, so, um at least no

1185
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 1: women getting murdered in this movie, so and that stuff.

1186
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 1: For that, I give it five nipples. No, I would say,

1187
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to give us like a two and a half.

1188
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 1: It's progressive for its time, but it's I don't think

1189
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 1: this movie is going out of its way to like

1190
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: be progressive or toold make any profound statements about like

1191
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: gender politics or anything like that. I think because of

1192
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: the movie being is like silly as it is, it's

1193
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: sort of by accident, has some like interesting female characters

1194
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: who have agency over their own sexuality and things like that.

1195
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: But we also see, you know, fairly well fleshed out

1196
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 1: female characters in like Beth and her being in charge

1197
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: and like the respected leader in the community, stuff like that.

1198
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: It's nice, But I also think that it's just it's

1199
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: almost too stupid to be like a movie that we

1200
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: can classify as a feminist text. I would argue that

1201
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 1: that that's not fair, Like I don't think that you

1202
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,640
Speaker 1: can you can say that based on a genre, Like

1203
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 1: I think if a movie follows through on like what

1204
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 1: type of movie it is, it can still be excellent

1205
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: as that type of movie. Sure, And this is not

1206
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: to say that I'm putting comedies in this. This is

1207
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 1: a broad, absurdist comment. But I think that it's still,

1208
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 1: like I'm going to rate it three point five interesting, Okay.

1209
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: I think that that Beth very easily could have been

1210
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 1: a male character and she wasn't. And she's the leader

1211
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 1: of the entire camp, and she's like our our backbone

1212
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 1: of the story, and I like her as a character.

1213
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,640
Speaker 1: And I also like how sex positive the movie is

1214
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: and how progressive it is about that the gay couple.

1215
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: The perfect I mean, because this movie happened the world's

1216
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: most perfect scene was to film, and for that we

1217
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: have to be grateful. I'm gonna hit with three for

1218
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: all the affirmation. I mean, it is great to see

1219
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 1: like a teen female character like embracer sexuality and not

1220
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 1: be punished. Especially I think that was a really good

1221
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,719
Speaker 1: point gal of like in the context of Camp, where

1222
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 1: teenage girls are always punished for sexuality at camp. Something

1223
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: with our Listen to our Friday the thirteenth episode where

1224
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 1: we talk a lot about murder Camp. Uh. Yeah, so

1225
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: it's good to see a bunch of horny nastiness. That's great.

1226
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 1: I love it. I love that scene. Obviously, it is

1227
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 1: the whitest movie of all times worth mentioning. But for

1228
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,599
Speaker 1: I agree, especially considering this came out in two thousand one,

1229
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 1: I feel like, as far as two thousand one goes,

1230
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:24,679
Speaker 1: this is pretty much as good as it's going to get.

1231
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: My rating was for two thousand and one because the

1232
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 1: ethnicity issues, like the diversity issues are huge in Again,

1233
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: I've only seen the Netflix series of this, like the

1234
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 1: I think the first day of Camp I've seen. I

1235
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: think I watched that the whole way through. They'd introduce

1236
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 1: a few new characters. I can't remember if any of

1237
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: them are people of color or I think it stays

1238
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 1: pretty white. We found the fatal flaw right and this

1239
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:56,640
Speaker 1: otherwise perfect movie. Yeah, So I'm gonna go to two

1240
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: point five nipples and I'm going to um give mine

1241
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 1: aipples to one to McKinley, one to Beth, and my

1242
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 1: half nipple will go to Susie because I appreciated that

1243
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 1: she was an artistic director of talent, which is something

1244
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 1: that I used to do. So like I really identified

1245
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: with prayer. I know I'm gonna give I had three,

1246
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 1: Give one to Beth and give one to Abby, and

1247
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give one to Gale. All right, ye would

1248
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 1: you like to give your nipples away rewards? Give one

1249
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 1: to Beth, one to McKinley, one to Katie, and then

1250
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: half to Susie. Great, cool, excellent, Allison, Thank you so

1251
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: much for being here. Where can people follow you? What

1252
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 1: would you like to plug? I'd love to plug my

1253
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 1: my own podcast, Gossip, which is a scripted comedy um

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Speaker 1: that's available wherever you can find podcasts. You can also

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Speaker 1: go to Gossip podcast dot com, and then you can

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Speaker 1: find me personally at Alice and Raskin wherever, and then

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Speaker 1: my YouTube channel is just between us and my book

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Speaker 1: is I Hate everyone but you and just between is

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Speaker 1: with a friend of the cast, Gabby Done. Yeah, same

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Speaker 1: with the book awesome. You can follow the backtel Cast

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Speaker 1: on social media, you can write and review us on iTunes,

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Speaker 1: you can go to our website backtel cast dot com,

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Speaker 1: and you can subscribe to our Matreon gets you to

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Speaker 1: bonus episodes every month, and it's only five dollars a month. Well,

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Speaker 1: shall we all go off and be horny at camp? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: All right, I'll see you there. Okay, bye bye