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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff live right

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com, drawn by Paul to Tino.

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmolke. The phone numbers two oh one

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Speaker 1: nine three nine four five one three or hashtag Giants Chat,

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Speaker 1: Big Time show of Big Blue Kickoff today. I hope

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Speaker 1: everyone had a great weekend. Jack Hamm, NFL Hall of

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Speaker 1: Famer and Penn State radio analysts will be joining us

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Speaker 1: um in a couple of minutes talk about the Penn

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Speaker 1: State prospects, obviously headline by se Kwon Barkley, and then

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Speaker 1: at twelve thirty five one of the friends of the program,

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Speaker 1: Dan Shaka from Our Lads dot Com. If you need

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Speaker 1: a depth chart, it's the best place and on the

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Speaker 1: internet to find a good old NFL or college depth chart.

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Speaker 1: But they also do great draft coverage as well. Former

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Speaker 1: NFL scout, so he will join us at twelve thirty

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Speaker 1: five to go to the draft. Class. Will try to

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Speaker 1: squeeze in your calls in between the two guests, probably

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Speaker 1: somewhere in that twelve twenty to twelve thirty five areas.

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Speaker 1: So you wanna get on the lines, you can get

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Speaker 1: on the lines. We'll try to get to you in

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Speaker 1: that time. But Paul news today the offseason workout program

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Speaker 1: has begun. It is stage one of the off season program,

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Speaker 1: which means the eyes are basically just doing weight room

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Speaker 1: the field yet, but they're here. They're in the building

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Speaker 1: and Pat Shermer had his introductory teleconference with the media

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Speaker 1: this morning to talk about the players arriving for the

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Speaker 1: first time. And obviously the headline is that Odell Beckham Jr.

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Speaker 1: Was in the building, something some people said would not happen.

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Speaker 1: But he is here for fake news, right, Well, that

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Speaker 1: was more I guess anticipation. It was. It was predicting

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Speaker 1: what would happen, so fas just incorrect. But he is

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Speaker 1: in the building. And obviously that does not mean he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be here every day of the off season program.

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Speaker 1: We'll see how that works out. But he wasn't the

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Speaker 1: back from that ankland. That is true, and um it

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Speaker 1: was as you said, strength and conditioning stuff that's going

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Speaker 1: to be the primary focus of the first two weeks.

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Speaker 1: Coach did say he was meeting with the team this

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Speaker 1: morning at nine fifteen. The conference call was at eight thirty,

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Speaker 1: timing of all of this. He was gonna meet with

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Speaker 1: their different different sessions and individual grouping with the strength

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Speaker 1: and conditioning coaches. UH, they will have some semblance of

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Speaker 1: team meetings and individual meetings, but for the most part,

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Speaker 1: these first two weeks are all about the body, and

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Speaker 1: it's about making sure guys did the right thing during

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Speaker 1: if they didn't, that they get themselves back on track,

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Speaker 1: because you have to have a foundation before you move

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Speaker 1: forward with whatever it is the coach wants you to do.

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Speaker 1: And you're also ramping up for that first voluntary mini camp,

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Speaker 1: which takes place the week of the draft, which is

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Speaker 1: day of that voluntary mini camp. Each NFL team that

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Speaker 1: With the Giants obviously have with Pat Shermer, so that

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Speaker 1: the Giants do only have two quarterbacks in the building,

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Speaker 1: so Eli Manning and Davis Webb are going to split

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Speaker 1: here they have to. It's not a story they heavily

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Speaker 1: down quarterbacks, of course it is. It is somewhat of

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Speaker 1: a story because they just as easily could have signed

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Speaker 1: a veteran to be a third guy. Yes, that's coming

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Speaker 1: to camp right. The fact that they're the two guys

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Speaker 1: is good for him absolutely. It is to be good

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Speaker 1: of the new players trying to understand, um, just how

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Speaker 1: a different culture away things work. Pat Shermer is gonna

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Speaker 1: He's different than Tom Coughlin, so you know, they all

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Speaker 1: does Penn State Radio knows a lot about the nickly Lyons. Jack,

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. We're honored to

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Speaker 1: We appreciate that. Thank you, Jack. We're having a good

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Speaker 1: time you know, it's always football season as far as

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Speaker 1: But we all know it worked out very well for you, Jack,

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Speaker 1: Allen safety, Uh, Is he more of a covered safety

432
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Speaker 1: or see more of a guy that's going to drop

433
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Speaker 1: down to the box and do some punishment around the

434
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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. He can be more of a guy's

435
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 1: gonna drop down into the box. We played that's where

436
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Speaker 1: he played him a lot. Very good tackler, I mean,

437
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 1: he is takes great angle, doesn't miss tackles in open field.

438
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 1: Probably has to work a little bit more on his

439
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 1: range as a safety, didn't have any hill. He had

440
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,119
Speaker 1: a couple of your exceptions, uh in his career at

441
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Speaker 1: Penn State. But dropping him down where he's he can

442
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 1: be like I said, you know nickel cover guy, which

443
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 1: is ends up being kind of like a starter now

444
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 1: in the NFL with all the passings going on in

445
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 1: in pro football these days, but he is that type guy.

446
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,959
Speaker 1: Tough kid decided to come back for his senior year.

447
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 1: I think it was a smart move on his part.

448
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: Could have gone out last year. I talked to his

449
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 1: dad quite a bit, and I think it was a

450
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 1: good move for him. He's all of in there and

451
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,439
Speaker 1: uh he's about two twelve, maybe two fifteen, and uh

452
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 1: again he he'll he'll drop down and that that's probably

453
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 1: his best position to play at the States position in

454
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 1: the pro. And then real quick, fellow safety Troy Apkey.

455
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't hear a lot about this guy.

456
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: Then he shows up at the combine and runs a

457
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Speaker 1: four three dash. By the way, I don't know what

458
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,399
Speaker 1: you guys are putting on the water down there at

459
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 1: Penn State, but the combined numbers from you guys were

460
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: just off the charts. If he's such a great athlete,

461
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: what Why why didn't have more production during the year. Right,

462
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 1: You've got to talk about the fact of our strengthens

463
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 1: in conditioning program there at Penn State and what they

464
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 1: was able to do because all those guys have done

465
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 1: have had phenomenal numbers in the in the combine. Apt

466
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: came out of nowhere. I mean, he's back here at

467
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Speaker 1: the state position the law with Alan a lot of times,

468
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, he's got some good range and

469
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: good quickness. He was a wide receiver in high school

470
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: and in the Pittsburgh Mountain Lebanon area, and brought him

471
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 1: over to to defense because all the wide we we

472
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: have and we're solid there. And to be very candid,

473
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 1: I was surprised he ran in that poetry range and

474
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: I thought I watched him on the eye test and

475
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: end a broadcasting boozer for a long time. I kind

476
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: of I didn't see that. But he's able to, you know,

477
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: put his numbers together in the in the combine and

478
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 1: hopefully for him and been in it will help him

479
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 1: in his draft status. That's that whole underwear Olympics thing, Jack.

480
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 1: You know, they don't play as fast as necessarily they

481
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 1: running their underwear. Right, That's the thing. I mean like

482
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: for a guy like Barker, he goes to the Combine,

483
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 1: he goes to a pro day or whatever, all you

484
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: have to do is throw on a tape of the

485
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Speaker 1: Iowa game last year, which since they played in Iowa,

486
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: and that is all you need to look at, and

487
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: your your scouting get done complete on that young man.

488
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: You don't have to worry about what he bench presses

489
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 1: and when you know what his vertical is or whatever.

490
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 1: He's just a football player and I'll tell what else

491
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 1: you is. He's probably faster with equipment and other players

492
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: because it's just it's just very natural for um out

493
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: there and uh incredible, but uh yeah, it's uh, it's

494
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 1: something about this year for the all these pen Se

495
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: guys who went to the Combine of just on the

496
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Speaker 1: extraordinary as well. A couple of the guys in the

497
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: second they're real quick, Jack Chris Campbell and Jason could

498
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: be and um Grant Haley two senior corners. What did

499
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: you see from them in their time at Penn State? Well, good,

500
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: these guys are good speed. Uh there there, guys are good.

501
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: You know our secondary was good. We did a lot

502
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: of man to man cover guys out there. We put

503
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: those guys in on pressure situations a lot of time

504
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: because we're trying to get more pressure. These guys had

505
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Speaker 1: have it, had a lot of experience on one on

506
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Speaker 1: one coverage at the line of scrimmage. Both guys I

507
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 1: think are strong enough right now, you know, with press

508
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 1: covers and going up on the line of scrimmage. And

509
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Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll even get stronger going into the pros.

510
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 1: Here right now, solid solid players and I'm I'm not

511
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure where pros have them on

512
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Speaker 1: on the draft board where they're going to up going,

513
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 1: but these guys are solid players for us and uh

514
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: and I think they've got a good opportunity in the pros.

515
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: And absolutely Jack. Finally, I don't want to sell your

516
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 1: guys short here, just give you a real chance. Thumbnail.

517
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: You've got three guys in the front seven, Jason Kabinda

518
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 1: and then Curtis Catherine and Parker Catherine. No relation, one

519
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Speaker 1: with an A one with an e UM. Just want

520
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: to give me what you think of those three guys.

521
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Speaker 1: The other three guys that are draft eld was this

522
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: year for the Netly Lions. Well inside right now, both

523
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Speaker 1: coins are guys who are as solid there that athletically

524
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: they're not gifted athlete like the Maurice Hurst at the

525
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: at Michigan. They're they're not that explosive. But you know,

526
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Speaker 1: good run stoppers. Uh you know that that did a

527
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: great job against the run for us that didn't. You know,

528
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to work on their past pass rush

529
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Speaker 1: from the inside because we had difficulty getting pressure with

530
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Speaker 1: our front four at sometimes when you've played against an

531
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Speaker 1: Ohio State or an Michigan. So they're gonna have to

532
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 1: get better at that outstanding against the run, have to

533
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: work on the pass pass rush. And for Jason committed

534
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: Jason Abida. Now he's a guy I've kind of just

535
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: fell in love with this kid. He's a guy who

536
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: dropped down late. Now he's about two thirty when he

537
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: played last year. Smart this guy, and you need a

538
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 1: guy and who was especially in the middle, who's making

539
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: all the calls out there. That's a good job. We

540
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: had a couple of receptions, but he, you know he

541
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Speaker 1: I think he dropped down from about two thirty five

542
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,959
Speaker 1: to forty to thirty and made him a little bit

543
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: quicker out there. I think his forty or dash time.

544
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: I don't think he ran because of an injury or whatever.

545
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: And that may be the case and for him, but

546
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: this is this guy who's smart enough to play out there,

547
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 1: and I think he if he gets a shot here

548
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: with one of the one of the pro teams, I

549
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: think he'll do well. Jacob might be a bit unfair,

550
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,479
Speaker 1: but I want to ask you about a guy the

551
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: Giants just picked up from the Steelers. William Gay, the

552
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 1: veteran cornerback thirty three years old, never missed the game

553
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: in eleven years in the National Football League, which I

554
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: find incredible with the durability factor of what goes on

555
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: in today's game. Your thoughts on on what he might

556
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: be able to add to the Giants. Well, now, seeing

557
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: now you're getting me out of my I'm sorry. I

558
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: figured I take a shot. What I do tend state football,

559
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: and you know they play sometimes Saturday night, whatever the case.

560
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: I don't get I don't get back to watch too

561
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: much of the the Steeler defense and see how well

562
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 1: they can play or don't don't play well. I'm I

563
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: didn't really even realize he played the level you play

564
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: eleven years in this league and then not get hurt

565
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: and that's the that's a that's a compliment in itself.

566
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: But uh, I don't know. But the only thing I'm

567
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: talking about Pittsburgh needs every good cover guys. Their defense

568
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: has struggled that way for the last couple of years,

569
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: especially getting New England. So if we let this guy go,

570
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: I'm not to New York. I'm not expecting Dion standards.

571
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: I got you, all right, Well, that's unfair of me.

572
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: I called an audible at the line of scrimmage, So

573
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: I apologize, Jack, great stuff, Jack Gray Selfhie, appreciate the time. Finally,

574
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: we trust your eye. You've been watching a lot of

575
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Speaker 1: Big ten football over the last few years. Anyone that

576
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: you've seen from the opponents you guys have played this

577
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: year that has jumped out to you and you're like, WHOA,

578
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: this guy is gonna be an unbelievable pro and maybe

579
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: some people are short changing him a little bit. Oh oh, well,

580
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: I think I'm not sure he's under the radar. But

581
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: the kid from Michigan, the defensive lineman hurt like he is.

582
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a kid that I mean plays inside

583
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: and he has just he he does not take plays

584
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Speaker 1: off and he has got a burst and we had

585
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: although we played well against Michigan, we played him at

586
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: home and was able to win. This guy is that

587
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: he just comes off the film as you watch Michigan

588
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: play and how well he played him at the interior

589
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: defensive line position. He's He's a guy that's I think

590
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: don't have a big time career. He's only had something

591
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: got a heart issue or whatever physical issue. But I

592
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,479
Speaker 1: think this guy is going to be a big, big

593
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: time player. Jack great stay, great stuff. We appreciate the time,

594
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us, and we'll talk to

595
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: you down the road. Thank you, Jack. That's Jack Ham

596
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: Penn State Radio, NFL Hall of Fame linebacker and Maurice Hurst.

597
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: He got cleared by the way. Very happy for him.

598
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: So you know, maybe some teams will still be scared

599
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: off a little bit. Who knows, You never know what

600
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: the medicals and things like that. But uh, people have

601
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: put him in the maybe not the level of player,

602
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: but the Aaron Donald type defensive tackle, little undersize, more

603
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: of a penetrator, not you know, your big run stuffing

604
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: type of guy. So that's somebody I think could be

605
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: a top fifteen, top twenty pick. But boy, I tried

606
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: to get to say something bad. I would say, kwon Barkley.

607
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: I really did. I thought he was gonna come through

608
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: the fall. But you were about to get hurt. Yeah, yeah,

609
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: you were about to get hurt. I asked fair questions.

610
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: And wasn't that a line? You know? I think that

611
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: you know, for everything that has said about Barkley, though,

612
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: it was the stuff that Jack said in terms of

613
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: his study and his dedication to improving his question, Well,

614
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: because Jack knows, I mean, he's behind you know the

615
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: lines there, and you know that's we haven't heard. We've

616
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: thrown he's a good citizen, we throw the interviews well,

617
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: but we don't know as much about his work, ethic

618
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: and where he's actually improved his game. For instance, I

619
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Speaker 1: didn't I didn't look at Barkley's games from a couple

620
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: of years ago where Jack said he got caught from

621
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: behind a couple of times. I didn't know that, and

622
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: and we know it doesn't happen now. Well, I'm not surprised.

623
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Speaker 1: As a hard worker. And what was the first thing

624
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: I said to you when I saw him at the

625
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: podium in Indianapolis. He said he's a pro. The size

626
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Speaker 1: of his spies. I mean, he was just remember that,

627
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: and you don't get those by not working. And he

628
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: conducts himself in every way possible that you would want

629
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Speaker 1: a pro to conduct himself anyway. Well, if Dan shank

630
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: in five minutes at him before we get the don

631
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: all right, let's go to Dan and Delaware. He's up first.

632
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: Hey guys, how are you doing great? Dan? Um? Yeah,

633
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: I just had a comment and then a quick question

634
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: for Paul about the quarterbacks. Um. So this is not

635
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: not directed at either one of you. This is more

636
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: directed at a lot of Giants fans that I've interacted

637
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: with on Twitter. I know, John, You've been on a

638
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: lot of these threats and you and I are pretty

639
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: much in lockstep when it comes to the quarterback. Um.

640
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to say, you know, a lot of fans

641
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: that I'm hearing are talking about how we don't need

642
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: to take quarterback this year because we could just get

643
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: another quarterback like basically at any time we want. And

644
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: I have to say, like, this year, in my opinion,

645
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Speaker 1: is a complete anomaly. If you look at free agency

646
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: and trades, like you just see the quality and the

647
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: depth of quarterbacks that were available this year in free

648
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: agency and trades. It's a pure anomally will never happen.

649
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: You've got Kirk Cousins, Alex Smith, case Keenum to name three.

650
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: And then you got the you know, the mccaren's and

651
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: other guys, you know, the Bradford's and them. So in

652
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: the typical in a typical free agent year, you might

653
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: have a mccaren type or a Bradford type or a

654
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: Bridgewater type trying to you know, get on a one

655
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: year deal and show they could still do it and

656
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: get on a longer you know, that's a typical year.

657
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: And then in the draft. In a typical year, in

658
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: the draft, there's one to two guys. You know, you've

659
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: got your Goff Wins or your Winston Mariota's, and that's

660
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: in a good year, there might be two considered too

661
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: kind of top quality quarterbacks. This year there's considered to

662
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: be four. And when you look at all these the

663
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: depth of the free agents that were available in free

664
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: agency or trade, and then the depth of the amount

665
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks in the draft, and you still see teams

666
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: that are gonna miss out and they're not gonna get anybody.

667
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: You know, you could have the Buffalo Bills on the

668
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: outside looking in, sitting there with Agent mccaren or the

669
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals sitting there with Bradford, they might not get anybody.

670
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: So to any Giants fans that sink, you know, when

671
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: Eli decided to hang them up, we'll just trade up

672
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: for a quarterback, or we'll just get another quarterback. Um,

673
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: I just wanted it's more directed at at that crowd

674
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: of people. I know, I know John, you and I

675
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: have been on a few tweet threats guarding this, so

676
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: they just just a reality check for people that it's

677
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: not as easy. And this is a compliment to Eli

678
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: Manning that he has spoiled us so much over the

679
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: last fifteen years that we don't remember or realize or

680
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: recall what it is like to need or want and

681
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: not have a reliable quality quarterback back there to the

682
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: point where people just think it is easy to get

683
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: one of these guys. And what's your what's your question

684
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: for Paul before you go? The quick question for Paul is,

685
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: I know you think Alan is the number one guy

686
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: in your book for for a quarterback this year, but

687
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: I know how you feel about Davis Webb. My question

688
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: is hypothetical. If we did not have Davi's Webb on

689
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: this roster and our backup quarterback was like a Geno

690
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: Smith type guy or a David Carr type, you know,

691
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: a veteran backup. Um, would your opinion of taking a

692
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: quarterback at two this year be any different? It would

693
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: have to be. All of these factors have to be

694
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: considered when you add up the equation, and there's no

695
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: question in my mind that Davis Webb weighs heavily on

696
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: my as I think about this. I mean, look, if

697
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: Geno Smith was the number two behind Eli, and those

698
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: are the two quarterbacks on the roster right now, Uh yeah,

699
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: I'd be thinking differently, and you would, and so you

700
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: would select Josh Allen it too. If I would be

701
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: much more inclined to do it, I'm not saying I would,

702
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: that would be much more inclined to do it. The

703
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: presence of David's Webb has a factor for me. There's

704
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 1: no question in your opinions of which we should take quarterback.

705
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: It absolutely has a factor for me. Thank you, Da,

706
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: we got it. Thank you. You know. I thought that

707
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: was a good question, tho, because no one has really

708
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: asked it asked that to you that way specific well,

709
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: no one's phrased it that way. But I think I've

710
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: made it very clear that David's Webb has been part

711
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: of my calculation absolutely, But I don't know, well your

712
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: thoughts on the class, how much it got swayed by

713
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: lag or not. Again, if Geno Smith was the number two,

714
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: I would really put the the way. If I didn't

715
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: draft one, I would be really ringing the phones to

716
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: try to get one. Dad real quick, Let's go to

717
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: Bob in New Jersey before we get Dann up. What's

718
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: going on, Bob? How are you hi? I'm good, Thank you,

719
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: thank you for taking my call. I'm kind of in

720
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: agreement with the previous caller. I expect quarterbacks to go

721
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: one to three in this year's draft, and I think

722
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: the Giants will definitely pick one at number two. Like

723
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: the previous call has said, it's an exceptional year for quarterbacks,

724
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I look throughout the league and

725
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: all I could come up with was, like, in the

726
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: whole league, there's only like seventeen or eighteen what you

727
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: would call franchise quarterbacks, and that's being generous, and they

728
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: were drafted over a period of like seventeen years. So

729
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: on average, you only get one a year, and this

730
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: year the consensus is there are three, and that you

731
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: know the GM then that's the g ms of Buffalo

732
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: and Denver. Uh they you know, they kind of confirmed that.

733
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: And then the Jet general enter, he put his he

734
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: put his job on the line, that there's three franchise quarterbacks.

735
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: So I think that the Giants have to take advantage

736
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: of this situation. And uh, you know, they can't let

737
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: this opportunity go by. They gotta pick two quarterback at

738
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 1: two and I'm hoping to see Josh Rosen in blue

739
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 1: next year. All Right, pop, good stuff, good, good opinion.

740
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: We appreciate the call, Thanks so much. Okay, thank you bye.

741
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: Obviously I'm much more in agreement with you on that

742
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: than Paulas and we've been through that. All right. I disagree,

743
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: but that's fine. Got a problem, Well, one other there's

744
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: one other thing. Can I say one more thing? It's

745
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: one other things that not one of the piece of

746
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: the puzzle that really confirmed it for me. And there's

747
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: there's news reports that the Giant owners uh Mara and

748
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: Tish went out to California and met with Rosen and

749
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: Darnald both they both passed the talent test, and they're

750
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: just being vetted for characters. Thank you, so I appreciate it.

751
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: My understanding is, and maybe I'm wrong about this, I

752
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: understood that that tissue was out there for for dinner

753
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: with one of the guys maybe from my understand, and

754
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: that's because he lives out there. Yes, I mean, you know, correct,

755
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: So he's out there already, correct, I mine. I do

756
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: not remember seeing on TV John Marat either or anything.

757
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: I don't believe that to be true. I don't know

758
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: either way for sure. Maybe he was out there. I

759
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: don't can not confirmed, nor do not. But here's what

760
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: I will say. Here's what I will say. If you believe,

761
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: if you believe that the Giants would still like to

762
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: hold somebody hostage for that pick it be, who's them

763
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: to bring all these quarterbacks in for visits and to

764
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: go to all of those pro days to make people

765
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 1: think that you are interested in a quarterback so you

766
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: can milk them for fortnights and Paul, the last thing

767
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: you want to do is ignore them, not do due diligence,

768
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: and not scout those guys. You still have to scout

769
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: him anyway, I mean, I mean, you have to that's

770
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: your dude. Really, I have to say, because they sounds

771
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: like a nice guy, but point about that as a

772
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: relevant it's not great you even if you don't think

773
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna pick a quarterback. What happens if you spend

774
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: the day with these guys, you go to the pro

775
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: dain and all of a sudden you're like, oh, my goodness,

776
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: what do we have here that things could always have

777
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: to do? You do? You have to you have to

778
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: be there, your presence has to be there. Correct. All right,

779
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: let's go to our buddy, Dan Shaka our lads dot com. Dan,

780
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: you got Tatino and Schmell here, and he's wether first.

781
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: You're jumping on short term and notification. We appreciate it.

782
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: How's it going today? Oh, I'll tell you what. We're

783
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: just like listening and na chatter that goes on out there.

784
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 1: And uh, whether people are knowledge you more or not,

785
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 1: I always enjoy Dan. I run it to the same

786
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: problem all the time. And it's so great to have

787
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: my old school buddy on the show on the show today,

788
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: So thank you so much. Alright, Well, hey, what what's so?

789
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: What's up? Well? Dan, let's let's get right to it

790
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: and obviously you're worked in the league. You know a

791
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: lot of people around the league, talking to people around

792
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: and even based on what you've seen and washed yourself.

793
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: I've heard some scouts say, uh, quarterback class overblown. Other

794
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: people say, yeah, this is a really good class. Just

795
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: to kind of build off what the last caller called about.

796
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: What's your take overall on the top of this quarterback

797
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: class when you take a look at them anam film

798
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: and based on what people around the league have told

799
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: you their opinions of these guys, Well, it's more quantity

800
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: than quality, I think. You know, it's uh, there's just

801
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: so much nonsense that goes on. You know, certainly it's

802
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: a crescendo towards the draft, and uh, you know, I mean,

803
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: I frankly, uh you know, I I just feel like

804
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: I've got fishhooks in my eyes when when you know,

805
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: people keep talking about Darnald and Allen. I mean, I'm

806
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: telling you, when you draft him, you're gonna get what

807
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: you get, you know what I mean. Uh, Hey, you

808
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: gotta have two things. And when you're a quarterback in

809
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: the National Football League, you'd better have accuracy and you

810
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: better make great decisions. And both those guys are way

811
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: down the line on that, and um so whoever takes

812
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: some good luck. You know, Dan, I really want to

813
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: go bigger picture with you here because one of the

814
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: huge disputes that we have had with our fan base

815
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: is about the value of the different positions. Whether you

816
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: can take a running back up at number two, can

817
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: you take an offensive alignment, specifically a guard like Quentin

818
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: Nelson at number two? And we all know that the

819
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: philosophy of taking the best player available is an overriding

820
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: factor for many organizations. It usually is for the Giants.

821
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: But as you see it now, what is the consensus

822
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: feeling around the league in terms of the value of

823
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: the position compared to the overall value of the player

824
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: and how heavily does that weigh in conversations? Well, I mean,

825
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: I think that you look at each player, uh as

826
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: an individual entity and uh, for instance, Uh Barkley, he's

827
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: not a running back. You know, he's a weapon. And

828
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: you know, like no, I would say a Darius guys,

829
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: and really the rest of this class, you know, they're

830
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 1: not they're not top fifteen he would maybe top twenty players.

831
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: But Sequon Barkley is a future Hall of Fame caliber

832
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: when he's diminuties grafted. He's one of the top five

833
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 1: running backs on the National Football League. He's got better

834
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: hands than most receivers, if not all in this draft. Um,

835
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: you know, he is a true weapon. He in fact

836
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. I'd be fired if they don't give him

837
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: the ball seven times a game, you know what I mean.

838
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 1: And throw throw a wheel routes, throw underneath routes, line

839
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: him up in the slot, line him up at wing,

840
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: lyne him in the backfield, put him in motion right,

841
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: kick him out to whiteout, and see what kind of

842
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: business decisions those cornerback cornerbacks are gonna make out there

843
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: after he catches the ball. You know, I mean, you're

844
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: talking about a six ft two hundred and thirty three

845
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: pound man. That probably the worst four he's ever run.

846
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: It's been four four one and that was at the

847
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: combine when other people have my watches and the you know,

848
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: for three eighths and things. So if you're talking about physics,

849
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: a just a super weapon, and um, that guy, I

850
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: would take number one. He's our top running back and

851
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: he's our top player in this draft. And um, you know,

852
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: I mean, why would you even consider I mean I

853
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: can't understand. And again, most of this is nonsense from

854
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: you know, people that put together draft mock drafts and

855
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: their base mom's basement and stuff. But and I understand that.

856
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 1: But the thing is, why would you even consider, uh,

857
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: maybe a quarterback that you know that it's not accurate

858
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: that turns the ball over thirty seven times in twenty

859
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: six games, who couldn't and then another one that couldn't

860
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: hit a bull in the behind a fandful of peace,

861
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: and then you gotta, uh, you've gotta all pro running

862
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: backs set in there. Well, I'm with you totally, Dan,

863
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: But let me ask you this aside from the quarterbacks,

864
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: because you and I are not touching the quarterback, I

865
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: get you, But what are you gonna do when you

866
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: see a guy like Quentin Nelson and a guy like

867
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb, who some people believe can be weapons in

868
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: their own right at that number two selection? Are these

869
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 1: guys legit enough, legit enough that you can have the conversation? Yeah?

870
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: Well I think both of those. Certainly, Quentin Nelson is

871
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl caliber to be running uh you know guard,

872
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: and uh you know, I think that if you don't

873
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: worry about the sexiness of a position. If you're you know,

874
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: if you want a guy to go in there and block,

875
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: you can pull uh to me, he's got to be

876
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 1: a guard. I mean, you can put him at right tackle,

877
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: but you really wouldn't want to do that. And he's

878
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: gonna be a uh Pro Bowl guard. The Minuti's drafted

879
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: and you know, knock on wood, he get injured. But no,

880
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: he's a great football player. Sticking that left are you know,

881
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: put him together next the soldier and uh, you're off

882
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: and running, you know what I mean. So no, I

883
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: would have no problem with taking a I mean again,

884
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: he wouldn't take guards generally in the top ten because

885
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: you know, your feature guys or your left tackles and

886
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: your quarterbacks and you know, and your corner you know,

887
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: you're and pass rushers. But you would certainly consider he's on. Hey,

888
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: when when the Giants are up there and they're still

889
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: sitting there at two, they're probably gonna have four or

890
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: five guys sitting there that they're gonna be very interested in, Okay,

891
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: for one reason or another, and then another one, you know,

892
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: Chub obviously with Pierre Paul headed down to Tampa. You

893
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: know what I used to scout with Dave on the road,

894
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman when Dave was a road scout before he

895
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: got into the you know, sitting in the office and

896
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: watching pro film when he was on the road, and

897
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: he was a very hard working, conscientious guy. And I

898
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 1: even then he liked big guys. I mean, he liked

899
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: big people, and you know Chubb would fit that. Now,

900
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: Chubb is not um I I don't think, you know,

901
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: he's certainly not Myles Garret from last year. Okay, I

902
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: don't think he's got that first step explosiveness, but he's

903
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: still a top five pick. You know, he's an outstanding

904
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: football player, high motor, he can really run. I just

905
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: think that, you know, he's would be a tick off

906
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: of you know, the first pick in the draft last year.

907
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: So but I think he's gonna be a pro bowled

908
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 1: guy and I think he's a very good football player.

909
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: Was run by Dan Chaka our Lads dot Com and down.

910
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: I want to just follow up on Chub there for

911
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: a second because I think he's an interesting case. I

912
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 1: think he was a three star recruit out of high school.

913
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: Um you mentioned, doesn't have the physical raw traits that

914
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: a guy like Garrett had last year. But technically he's

915
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 1: just so sound and you know he stops to run well,

916
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: he's got good hand technique to get to the quarterback.

917
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: But if you don't see that high athletic ceiling, how

918
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: hesitant to general managers become selecting a player with a

919
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: second a third overall pick if they don't have that

920
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: high level athletic ability, like we see some some of

921
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: those other prospects that will go that high in the draft. Well,

922
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes those guys like if you're you know,

923
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: say you're not a super workout guy, but which by

924
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: the way, he did have a great workout, you know

925
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: what I mean, I think you're in four or five

926
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: nine or something like that, or you know, I think

927
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: that just that you know, uh, and he didn't really

928
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: have the length, you know. I mean he's a tall guy,

929
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: but you know he's not six six, I mean's not

930
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: by all that. But you know what, he gives it

931
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: to you every down from from you know, whistle from

932
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: from snap to whistle. This guy makes plays and that

933
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: motor never turns off. And so you know, there's a

934
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: lot to be said for for guys like that, because

935
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: he does have really good athletic ability. You know, I'm

936
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: just talking. You know, he's not superior, you know, but

937
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: that doesn't Hey, there's a lot of guys in the

938
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame right now that aren't superior athletes, but

939
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: they're they're great, hard, blue collar guys, you know. You know.

940
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Dan, because it's obvious how

941
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: you feel about Barkley and how you feel about the QBS.

942
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,959
Speaker 1: We feel the same, at least I do. But John

943
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: is floored an idea, and I appreciate the logic behind this.

944
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: If you don't take Barkley and you take a Chubb

945
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: or a Nelson, you can get one of those other

946
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: terrific running backs in round two because there are so

947
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: many good next level running backs. It looks like that's deep.

948
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: It looks like maybe even the guard position, you could

949
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: get some good guards early in the second round, but

950
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: you probably can't get the pass rusher once you get

951
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: down that far. Could you please give me a thumbnail

952
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: on what do you think of the depth of those

953
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: three positions and how it might affect your thinking as

954
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: you try to make these first and second round picks.

955
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: We'll just keep in mind just what I said, though, Uh,

956
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 1: you know, Barkley is not a running back. He is

957
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: a weapon. So that guy is way ahead, right. I

958
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: mean it's like, here's Barkley up there, and then then

959
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: down away is guys and then Penny and uh, Michelle

960
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: and Johnson and Nick Chubb and Ronald Jones and all

961
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: those guys. So if you want to take one of

962
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: those guys, you know, in the second round or third

963
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: round or you know whatever, take them, but don't plan

964
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: on get the Hall of Fame guy, you know what

965
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: I mean, So just you take one. So okay, that's

966
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: the way we feel about that. Now. Uh. You know,

967
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: I think that you're you're correct in regards to you know,

968
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: maybe a big time pass rusher. You consider Bradley Chubb

969
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: up there. Now, I think that the guys are more,

970
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, like Marcus Davenport is a developmental guy that

971
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: at end and then Sam hopperd is a you know,

972
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: from a high day. Here's a guy that just it

973
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: blew Colar, hard working, give it to you every down

974
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: kind of guy. And uh in the other Ohio State

975
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: guy Jalen Holmes, you know, again, very good athlete, but

976
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: the guy the pick of the litter of the defensive

977
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: ends is clearly Bradley Chubb okay, and uh he's gonna

978
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: be your four man front defensive end and be your

979
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: pass rushers. So you know, there we go on that front.

980
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: And what about what the guards and the guards? Uh

981
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: you know, obviously Nelson is uh depic of the litter again,

982
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 1: but uh, there are several guards out there that are

983
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: certainly gonna be we think, really good football players. Because

984
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: that's one of the uh deeper parts of this particular

985
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: draft is you know the interior guys. So, um, whether

986
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: you take a Frank Frank rag Now for instance, up

987
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: in the second round, if he's there from Arkansas, he's

988
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: a center guard guy, you know, or when from Georgia.

989
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: You know, he's at guard plate left tackle this year,

990
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: but he doesn't have really the length that you want,

991
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 1: so he's he's gonna be a guard Hernandez guard, a big,

992
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: thick guy, tough guy. Uh So, but you've got a

993
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 1: lot of the center guard combination guys with Daniels out

994
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: of Iowa and got priced out of the hide. Um

995
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,959
Speaker 1: you know, so yeah, I mean, um, those guys they're

996
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: gonna be really they're late ones. And uh, you know,

997
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: in the second round, you know, all those guys I

998
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: talked about in that area were drawn by Dan Shanka. Dan.

999
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: The Giants probably not gonna take a corner with that

1000
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: second overall pick, but they could trade down, um, or

1001
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: wait till they're thirty four pick in the draft and

1002
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: round two to grab a corner. Um, who do you

1003
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: like that might drop down to the top of that

1004
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: second round, or if you want to be a little

1005
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: bit more brave, top of that third round, where the

1006
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,959
Speaker 1: Giants might get a corner that could play significant time

1007
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: at the very least in the sub package this year. Well, um,

1008
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: in the second round. You know, I think you're looking

1009
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: at guys like, uh, like a guy. It's really a

1010
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: good press corner for instance, um. Uh. And as a

1011
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: big guy is Davis Carlton Dave Us from Auburn, good

1012
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: sized guy, tough guy better though that's better in the

1013
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: press type situation. Uh. You know the end plays a

1014
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: little bit off, but you know he's big, he's a

1015
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: big guy, and he's a physical guy. Um. You know,

1016
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if Oliver will be there at the

1017
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 1: top of the second probably probably will be corner from Colorado. Um,

1018
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: a real athletic guy. UM didn't use from Central Florida.

1019
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: He gets a lot of play late in the first round. Uh,

1020
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: but um, you know he's a guy that could possibly

1021
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: be there because, like I said that, the people that

1022
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: go you know, eight crazy over a cornerback or quarterbacks,

1023
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,959
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna be knocking everybody down in that's

1024
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: to the second round of the Giants there too, so

1025
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: they're gonna get a good football player the more quarterbacks

1026
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: that are taking ahead of them, and uh so I

1027
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: and then in the third round, you know, I think

1028
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 1: you're looking at guys like a very athletic guy Dawson

1029
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: from the University of Florida, UM, aorette from Alabama, and

1030
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: a guy we really like some package guy Penn State

1031
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: is Haley. Uh who can play you know, in the

1032
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: corner mat and play in the slot rather and match

1033
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 1: up or he's to me he'd be better inside because

1034
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: he's not a real big guy, but he's an athletic

1035
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: guy that can jump so he can get away of

1036
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: playing on the outside. But really like him in the slot. Dan,

1037
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: from your perspective, have we seen all the movement that

1038
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: we're going to see in the top six picks? Now,

1039
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 1: the Jets did move up to three with the Colts.

1040
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: Are we pretty much done there? Or do you expect

1041
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some more rumblings and some actual earthquakes

1042
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: and people shaken out at the top six as we

1043
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: get to April to well, you know it, it'd be

1044
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 1: interesting to know if Dave got that same offer at too,

1045
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 1: that you know, Dave Getleman, if he got that offer

1046
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:52,720
Speaker 1: it too that you know, um, Indianapolis got it free,

1047
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Um? Or or is Cleveland

1048
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: talking to the Giants said hey, we'll package up our

1049
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: two was very year. We got three of them, you know,

1050
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: to move up a couple of spots so we can

1051
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: get Barkley and the quarterback we want. You know, Um,

1052
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, so I think that's you know, Dorsey

1053
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 1: likes to play games in Cleveland, So we'll see if

1054
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: there's gonna be you know, the stupidest thing he could

1055
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: do though his back out of there. And you know

1056
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: they got you know, really good football players, and that's

1057
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: not you know, we love Mayfield. I mean Mayfield he

1058
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: makes clearly. And when I was with the Redskins, I

1059
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: did a school call on and Drew Brees at uh,

1060
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,479
Speaker 1: you know, at Purdue, And it was clear to me

1061
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 1: when I pulled out my report, I thought I was reading,

1062
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: uh Breeze report, you know. Uh when or when I

1063
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 1: look at Mayfield's report, you know, I'm looking at Breeze

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00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: as report, you know. So I mean to me, actoracy

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00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 1: great decisions like I talked about, it didn't even close

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00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: to me. You could drop then Rosen would be second.

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00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: You know, those quarterbacks because the accuracy, but he's got

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00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: his injury problems. He's got, you know, the other things

1069
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: that you're concern you. But to me, may feels clearly

1070
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: the most accurate quarterback out there. You know one thing,

1071
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: everybody gets hacked off real easy when you got a

1072
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: wide open receiver and that ball goes over the head

1073
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: by ken feet and need that first out or you

1074
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: need to make a play, you know, for a for

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00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: a playoff game or to get in the playoffs. So um,

1076
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: But anyway, I think I don't think the shaking has

1077
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: all done at the top yet. Do you think a

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00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: team is gonna be willing to back up the truck

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00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: for the Giants at two to move up to get

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00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 1: the quarterback of Joyce stand? You think it depends how

1081
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: big that truck. Yeah, I mean people, wait, hey, we've

1082
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 1: seen it over the years, I mean eight Traditionally, people

1083
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: are real dumb and give a lot of things for

1084
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: a guy that can't play, you know what I mean.

1085
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I think maybe that's why Dave

1086
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 1: might be setting there and he's just listening and and

1087
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: because he's he's gonna get the guy, depending on how

1088
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: far he's got to go down, he's gonna get a

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00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: really good football player. I think wants to talk to

1090
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: you now. I think that's it right now. Then, well,

1091
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: I tell you what he's gonna He's gonna get a

1092
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: good football player. And like I said, whether it's a

1093
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 1: pass rush here rose the guard, you know that he wants,

1094
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: or you know, somebody's gonna do something stupid and they're

1095
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: gonna take a bunch of quarterbacks at the at the top,

1096
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: and then Barkley is gonna be sitting there and he'll

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00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,760
Speaker 1: be in the Hall of Fame when you know, probably

1098
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: two of the three quarterbacks are gonna be, you know,

1099
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: sitting on the street corner saying take me back, you

1100
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's just I just you know,

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Speaker 1: it'd be interesting. Dan finally, real quick give us your predictions.

1102
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: Since the Giants are picking the top of the second round,

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00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: we're asking me to be a little bit more aggressive. Um,

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00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: if you were making the selections, who would you pick

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00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 1: in the first and second round? And then what do

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00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: you think the Giants are going to do? I think,

1107
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, I think we've get figured out that you're

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00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: gonna take Barkley, right, Yeah, I would take Barkley's he's

1109
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: there at number two. I take Barkley and head on

1110
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: down the road. And then now here's this is gonna

1111
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: be real popular, popular with Giants fans. Uh. But now

1112
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: in one way it's thanking. But a guy that's in

1113
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: the second round, I don't think David take him either, because,

1114
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: like I said, I always, I mean, Dave likes big guys.

1115
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: This guy isn't a big guy. And uh, but he'd

1116
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 1: be a developmental quarterback athlete. You know, I'm talking about

1117
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: is Lamar Jackson. You know, because now here and here's

1118
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: the deal. Say, for instance, O'Dell then get his stuff

1119
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: together here in the next you know, till you know,

1120
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: get his his stuff together. Then here you've got a

1121
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: guy that could develop, you know as a wide receiver.

1122
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: But he's also a quarterback. You know, so but on

1123
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: long shot, I don't really think that happened, but I

1124
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: think we did throw that in there draft, so you know, yeah,

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00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: he why not have a little fun And then you

1126
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 1: have you said, used to travel with Dave around the league.

1127
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: What do you think he's going to do with that

1128
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: second pick? And then at the top of the second round.

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00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: I think it depends to what happens. No, you know,

1130
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 1: if he I think if he's gonna take the best guy,

1131
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: but he might very well cat a guy like Frank

1132
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 1: Ragnow who can play you know, all the three interior

1133
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: physicians that that is, if he doesn't take Quinton Nelson,

1134
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 1: you know, if he gets Barkley at two, and then

1135
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,760
Speaker 1: I think you know that he looks at at guys,

1136
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: uh like in the offensive line there or you know,

1137
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: he likes big guys and like I said that, Um,

1138
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: if there's big interior defensive people, or say there's a

1139
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: tight end. Um, you know you got the staff tight

1140
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: end from last year. But hey, how about a big

1141
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: physical guy that's uh, you know, say six five and

1142
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: a half six six and uh you know runs four

1143
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: seven or high four or six is like got heart

1144
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: from South Dakota State, you know, I mean, uh, which

1145
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: is probably the best when he may go late in

1146
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: the first round. But you know, if he's there, I mean,

1147
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: Dave is gonna be sitting there and there's gonna be

1148
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: these guys falling to him. You know, maybe vander esh

1149
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: from Boise State, maybe he falls there, or uh, you know,

1150
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: Doron Payne, the big defense a tackle from Alabama maybe

1151
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: so um. You know, I think there's a variety of things.

1152
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: There's safety, another safety that you know, if he's interested,

1153
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: or a corner. So I think what's gonna happen is

1154
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: the people that draft at the top there and as

1155
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: they slide down, you know, Dave's gonna be there at

1156
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: the bath and say, well, hey, we got this guy,

1157
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: this guy and that guy, and this is the guy

1158
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna go with. And and you say that, I'm sorry,

1159
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: Dann real quick. I know you said Dave loves big people.

1160
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: If he's staring at Barkley, Nelson, at chub second overall,

1161
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: where who do you think he would pick? Barkley? Don't

1162
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: you think I think he thinks he's gonna go to

1163
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, you know what I mean, I

1164
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: think he thinks, you know, he's a gold jacket guy,

1165
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: so I think take him Dan, great stuff. We appreciate

1166
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: the time, and we'll catch up with the after the draft.

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00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: All right, always great to talk to Dann. Dan janquar

1168
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Speaker 1: Lands dot Com does a fantastic job. We love him.

1169
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: He's great, awesome, is wonderful, awesome. All right, we got

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Speaker 1: two minutes. I got two calls, guys, real quick. If

1171
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: you want to call it, come out of time to

1172
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: get your full point in. That's fine, but let's just

1173
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: make your point or move on to the next guy.

1174
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: Joe in Pennsylvania first, what's up, Joe? Hey, we're just

1175
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: in a great position. Like you said that, I was

1176
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: worrying about taking another quarterback. But after these two guys that,

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00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, they uh from penn State

1178
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: and Dan here, you know what I mean. They have

1179
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: golden jackets, and he's like Mark Spitz there Barkley with

1180
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: all the medals, you know what I mean. Everybody else's

1181
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: biver and under. So we're in a great position unless

1182
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: somebody backs up the truck. I really think we should

1183
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: send these uh comments out to all the league here.

1184
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: If they don't back up the truck. Then just take Barkley,

1185
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, Joe appreciate and Mark and Rhode Island.

1186
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: He's gonna wrap us up. What's up Mark? Hey, thanks,

1187
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: I'll take it off the air. Um. Two quick points. Um.

1188
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: The narrative on drafting and running back high. I think

1189
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: one point then I haven't heard talked about too much,

1190
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: is that running backs a short career, that if you

1191
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: want an elite running back on your team, you have

1192
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: to draft. That's a fair point. Yeah, they're right about that,

1193
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: and the chance of getting somebody who's elite in round three.

1194
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: It can happen, but it's a huge risk and a

1195
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: lot of those kinds are one dimensional or limited. And

1196
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: that's part of the threat of Barkley is that he

1197
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: can do everything. You don't know if he's going to

1198
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: be getting the ball handed to him, catching a screen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but Mark Park In fairness, though, do you think Alvin

1200
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: Kamara is a versatile player? Do you think the kid

1201
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: that the Chiefs drafted last years that could do a

1202
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: lot of things? I think they both are No. Yeah,

1203
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: but I mean, what are the chances of getting the

1204
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: next album Camar in the third round? I think there's

1205
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: a better chance of getting a running back in the

1206
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: third round than a lot of other positions, I think

1207
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: is the point. And then the last point is just

1208
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: all the Odell Beck in my hype. I mean, obviously

1209
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: media as to talk about it, you know, there just

1210
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: looking for clicks, so they write anything. But I'm surprised

1211
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: there's some giant stands kind of like condemning behavior that

1212
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: may or may not be true. But it's like if

1213
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: you were just think for a moment, if you were

1214
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: a twenty five year old kid who's just a millionaire,

1215
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: who's renowned athlete, and you have three months off work,

1216
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: You're not gonna go on vacation, no, Mark, I hear you,

1217
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: got you. I heard you. So it's like, you know,

1218
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Speaker 1: that would be the story worth right, thank you, thank you,

1219
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: good time. We appreciate it. And if you guys heard that,

1220
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Speaker 1: they're they're just it's just sounds very funny. I know

1221
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: we weren't laughing at the call. We were not bark

1222
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: you a good point. It was it was some construction

1223
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: going on here, and it sounds kind of funny. It's

1224
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: satellite something else all right, by the way, real quick, yeah,

1225
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: we gotta get the Elize call. The idea of say

1226
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley as a weapon is what's kind of drawing

1227
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: me as that possibility. And I have some I have

1228
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: some mitail from Cleveland too that I'll say. Then I'll

1229
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Speaker 1: tell okay for another show for Paula Tino on John Melco.

1230
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Speaker 1: See you next time, I Big. We'll kick off live. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: have a great day.