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Speaker 1: your Mind, Change Life. We say we want those things,
Speaker 1: but when we experience in reality, a lot of people
Speaker 1: will say, Oh, they're so kind, they're so sweet, but
Speaker 1: they're boring, and then the other person who's not kind
Speaker 1: and sweet, they're exhilarating. It's a really weird contrast in
Speaker 1: how we say we want someone who's kind, we want
Speaker 1: someone who's thoughtful, but then when we experience them reality,
Speaker 1: it's not fun. There's no chemistry, there's no spark right,
Speaker 1: and then we often go for the person who's not kind,
Speaker 1: not nurturing, not empathetic. What I'm getting at here is.
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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to you On Purpose. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: Jay Shetty. Thank you so much for turning up for yourself,
Speaker 1: for turning up to the On Purpose show. I am
Speaker 1: so grateful that you're here with me right now now.
Speaker 1: If you're single and you're trying to figure out how
Speaker 1: to find your person in this episode is for you.
Speaker 1: If you're recently single and you're trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what's going wrong, what mistakes are making This episode is
Speaker 1: for you. And even if you're dating someone, even if
Speaker 1: you're married, but you're trying to figure out how to
Speaker 1: deepen your connection, how to understand more. Maybe you're even
Speaker 1: questioning whether you're with the right person. This episode is
Speaker 1: for you. I want to dive in to some really
Speaker 1: interesting research today, and the research comes from the Pew
Speaker 1: Research Center, and it talks about what men most value
Speaker 1: in women and what women most value in men.
Speaker 2: Now, I have to come clean with you.
Speaker 1: To start off with, last night, my wife, my brother
Speaker 1: in law, and my sister in law made me watch
Speaker 1: my first ever episode of Love Island. I think it's
Speaker 1: season six of the USA. The of the show. I'd
Speaker 1: never watched an episode before in my life. And again,
Speaker 1: today's episode is not inspired by that by any means,
Speaker 1: but it was just fascinating to me as to how,
Speaker 1: after years and years of research, technological advancement and everything else,
Speaker 1: and even just seeing what works and what doesn't work,
Speaker 1: what we focus on about other people is so limited
Speaker 1: and so limiting. And it led me to go down
Speaker 1: this rabbit hole when I was thinking about this episode
Speaker 1: today and researching for the episode and asking myself, what
Speaker 1: is it that we say is most important to us
Speaker 1: in a potential partner? But then how do we get
Speaker 1: carried away with what we're attracted to? Right? Let me
Speaker 1: say that again, what is the difference between what we
Speaker 1: say is important to us in a partner? And then
Speaker 1: how do we get carried away with what we get
Speaker 1: attracted to. And I think what I was originally thinking
Speaker 1: about was this idea that we almost know what's good
Speaker 1: for us, but we want what's bad for us. Right,
Speaker 1: we know what's good for us, but we'll ignore all
Speaker 1: of that. If there's something attractive, if there's something shiny,
Speaker 1: if there's something exciting, if there's something invigoring, we're willing
Speaker 1: to give up all of our good common sense. Now
Speaker 1: let's actually look at the research. This was what traits
Speaker 1: or characteristics do you think people in our society are
Speaker 1: most attracted to?
Speaker 2: So what do you think.
Speaker 1: Men value most in women? Number one thing that came out?
Speaker 1: What do you think it is? It was thirty five
Speaker 1: percent said physical attractiveness is the most important thing they
Speaker 1: value in a woman. I'm not surprised by that, and
Speaker 1: I think think you hear that a lot, you see
Speaker 1: that a lot. I think that has led to so
Speaker 1: many challenges in our society where there's so much pressure
Speaker 1: on appearance, there's so many enhancements of appearance, like it
Speaker 1: all becomes about that.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: When women were asked what they most value in men,
Speaker 1: what do you think that was? Thirty three percent said
Speaker 1: honesty and morality. Now that's a really interesting one because
Speaker 1: I think you end up watching videos on TikTok and
Speaker 1: on social media and you see everyone talking about how
Speaker 1: the height is the most important thing, the back balance
Speaker 1: is the most important thing, which we'll get to in
Speaker 1: a second. We're talking about who's paying on the first date.
Speaker 1: It's really interesting what cultural conversations spiral online versus what
Speaker 1: we say in a questionnaire, and I feel like there's
Speaker 1: a disconnect there. I think what's really interesting to me
Speaker 1: is you could go down this list and have someone
Speaker 1: take a lot of it and then find them. Not
Speaker 1: that you find them unattractive, but they don't take this
Speaker 1: really artificial box like someone's height doesn't define the quality
Speaker 1: of your relationship.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't, right.
Speaker 1: It's almost like saying I will drink a bottle of
Speaker 1: water because it's taller than the other bottle, but they
Speaker 1: both have the same amount of water in it. If
Speaker 1: you have two bottles and they both have five hundred
Speaker 1: millimeters of water in it, but one's taller, one shorter,
Speaker 1: you choose the taller one. But it doesn't change your
Speaker 1: experience of the water. It doesn't change your experience of drinking,
Speaker 1: it doesn't change the quality of the water within. And
Speaker 1: I think for so many of us who have been
Speaker 1: burned in relationships, who constantly feel that we're going after
Speaker 1: the wrong thing, how many of you can relate to
Speaker 1: that where you keep saying, Jay, you know what, I
Speaker 1: just keep picking the wrong person. I keep tripping myself up.
Speaker 1: I know I keep making mistakes. It's because we're focusing
Speaker 1: on the taller bottle of water.
Speaker 2: So I want to ask you, what is your tall
Speaker 2: bottle of water? Right? What is that trip up for you? Right?
Speaker 1: What is that thing that keeps, like Mahamad Ali said,
Speaker 1: the pebble in your shoe?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: What is that that keeps giving you that discomfort, that
Speaker 1: keeps tripping you up, that keeps making you make the
Speaker 1: wrong decision because we say one thing, but then we
Speaker 1: follow the other. I'm not saying that physical attractiveness is
Speaker 1: not important. I think you should be attracted to your person.
Speaker 1: But I think sometimes we create artificial, superficial, very limited
Speaker 1: and limiting criteria that doesn't really allow us to find love.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of that criteria comes from
Speaker 1: what we were trained in, conditioned to believe was attractive
Speaker 1: when we were younger. Right when we were younger, we
Speaker 1: saw certain things on the front cover of magazines, we
Speaker 1: saw certain body types in movies and TV shows, we
Speaker 1: saw certain colors of skin that were exposed to through media,
Speaker 1: and we build up desires, We built up ideas and
Speaker 1: visions of what a person should be. But I think
Speaker 1: so often we're looking at criteria that doesn't impact the
Speaker 1: quality of the experience, which is bizarre. There's so many
Speaker 1: things in life where you would never assess it purely
Speaker 1: based on a superficial metric that doesn't change the experience
Speaker 1: of the product. Right now, number two of what men
Speaker 1: most value in women, thirty percent said empathy, nurturing, kindness.
Speaker 1: Now there's one thing I want to talk about because
Speaker 1: I see this a lot. I see this with friends.
Speaker 1: When a lot of men say nurturing, they often want
Speaker 1: a mum in their partner. I'm just going to put
Speaker 1: it out there. I had to say it because I
Speaker 1: think so many individuals struggle with growing up, and I
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of talk about women and daddy issues,
Speaker 1: but there's not a lot of talk about men and
Speaker 1: mummy issues. And it's this idea of I want someone
Speaker 1: who is nurturing, but in a very maternal way, like
Speaker 1: I want them to take care of me. I want
Speaker 1: them to take care of the house. I want them
Speaker 1: to do what my mom did. I want them to cook.
Speaker 1: I want them to And it's not just the gender roles,
Speaker 1: but there's this false expectation. And I think what's really
Speaker 1: interesting about that is a lot of people being naturally nurturing,
Speaker 1: naturally empathetic, naturally kind kind of see it as beautiful
Speaker 1: because it's a way of being needed, it's a way
Speaker 1: of being wanted, it's.
Speaker 2: A way of being useful.
Speaker 1: But I think we have to really look at that
Speaker 1: in what we desire and what the other person is
Speaker 1: willing to deliver on. And again I go back to it,
Speaker 1: do we want a partner who's equal, excited and curious
Speaker 1: or are we really looking for someone to take care
Speaker 1: of us? Because if we're looking for someone to take
Speaker 1: care of us, it ends up leading to the relationship
Speaker 1: we don't want. We then say, oh, well they're not adventurous,
Speaker 1: or well they're not interesting, or they're not passionate, and
Speaker 1: it's like, well, yeah, because they're mothering or fathering you. Right,
Speaker 1: if your partner is now your parent you're not going
Speaker 1: to find them attractive. After a while, you're not going
Speaker 1: to find them interesting. After a while, you're going to
Speaker 1: find that they're annoying you, that they're on your case,
Speaker 1: that they're holding you accountable. All the things that you
Speaker 1: potentially are challenged by or resenting your parents, you now
Speaker 1: project that onto your partner. So when we say things
Speaker 1: like I want someone to be empathetic, nurturing, kind, let's
Speaker 1: really look at what we mean by that. And I
Speaker 1: actually think here's the thing. We say we want those things,
Speaker 1: but when we experience in reality, a lot of people say, oh,
Speaker 1: they're so kind, they're so sweet, boring, right, and then
Speaker 1: the other person who's not kind and sweet, they're exhilarating.
Speaker 1: It's a really weird contrast in how we say we
Speaker 1: want someone who's kind, we want someone who's thoughtful, but
Speaker 1: then when we experience them in reality, it's not fun.
Speaker 1: There's no chemistry, there's no spark, right, and then we
Speaker 1: often go for the person who's not kind, not nurturing,
Speaker 1: not empathetic. What I'm getting at here is we know
Speaker 1: we want people of high character and high value. We
Speaker 1: want someone who has deep values. We want someone who
Speaker 1: has values like honesty, kindness, morality, nurturing, both in men
Speaker 1: and women. We've seen honesty and morality top one for women,
Speaker 1: wanting in men, and empathy nurturing kindness number two in women.
Speaker 2: You've got all these.
Speaker 1: Deep values that are right up then in what we want,
Speaker 1: but we're so easily shifted away from our values. So
Speaker 1: you ask me, Jay, why is that? Why is it
Speaker 1: that I know what it's good for me, but I
Speaker 1: choose what's bad for me? How many of you can
Speaker 1: relate to that? Gee, I know what's right for me,
Speaker 1: but why do I always choose what's wrong for me?
Speaker 1: It's interesting, isn't It's a trick of the mind. The
Speaker 1: mind has the ability to trick you. You know what's good
Speaker 1: for you, but you'll still choose what's bad for you. You
Speaker 1: know what's right for you, but you will choose what's
Speaker 1: wrong for you. This happens because we become clouded. Our
Speaker 1: vision becomes blurred, and ultimately love is blind. We get
Speaker 1: blinded by the chemicals of the spark and of attraction
Speaker 1: and of lust that literally blur our vision so that
Speaker 1: we now no longer see the unfavorable elements of that individual.
Speaker 1: This is true for the chemicals released during and after sex.
Speaker 1: This is true for when we first feel that chemical
Speaker 1: attraction to someone, we're actually emotionally vision impaired to notice
Speaker 1: the things about someone that actually matter. And I've partnered
Speaker 1: up with Match, which I'm really excited about as their
Speaker 1: relationship advisor, because what I found is that dating apps
Speaker 1: are not the problem the challenges of what we're focused
Speaker 1: on and what we're looking at. If we don't understand
Speaker 1: our values and we don't understand the other person's values
Speaker 1: and they don't understand theirs and hours, it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: how many other boxes we tick. If you're truly in
Speaker 1: this for a successful relationship, if you're truly in this
Speaker 1: for a real, deep partnership, I promise you the artificial,
Speaker 1: superficial things are not going to be the ones that
Speaker 1: make a difference.
Speaker 2: Your values are.
Speaker 1: Your knowledge, awareness, acceptance, and respect for someone's values are.
Speaker 1: So I want you to head over to match dot com,
Speaker 1: forward slash j if you want to match people through
Speaker 1: value systems, through a deeper value connection. Again, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying I want you to be attracted to the person.
Speaker 1: I want you to think they're fun. I want you
Speaker 1: to be excited, But I want us to pivot and
Speaker 1: shift our mindset on for a moment, deprioritizing the things
Speaker 1: that society, media, parents, and friends have told us to overvalue,
Speaker 1: and shift more emphasis onto the things we've been made
Speaker 1: to undervalue, like honesty, kindness, connection, empathy, these deep values
Speaker 1: that are so critical to the success of a relationship. Right,
Speaker 1: And we do this with everything right, There'll be debates
Speaker 1: constantly between iPhone and Android users, people saying like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: Android is more customizable, iPhones more the slickness, and again
Speaker 1: we follow brand and it's true, right, like Android does
Speaker 1: have and Samsung phones do have more functionality, but we
Speaker 1: choose something that we think has a certain brand or whatever.
Speaker 2: It may be.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting how when you start doing that in love,
Speaker 1: it has far bigger ramifications than with technology.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Number two of what women want in men, twenty three
Speaker 1: percent said professional financial success. And I want to call
Speaker 1: out this has caused a lot of stress and pressure
Speaker 1: for a lot of friends, a lot of good men,
Speaker 1: because I think we're again living in a society where
Speaker 1: people are exposed to a world online of fast cars, jewelry.
Speaker 1: You've got their high flying life and it can become
Speaker 1: quite intimidating and quite challenging for people to think they
Speaker 1: have to live up to that. And I know a
Speaker 1: lot of good, hard working, honest men that are trying
Speaker 1: their best, that are passionate about what they do, that
Speaker 1: care about what they do, but they're being undervalued. And
Speaker 1: I always like sharing this because to me, it makes
Speaker 1: a huge difference. When I met Rady, materially, I didn't
Speaker 1: have anything, and Raddi chose to be with me at
Speaker 1: a time when I was still trying to pay off
Speaker 1: my student debt and I didn't even have a job,
Speaker 1: and I don't even thought she knew if I would
Speaker 1: ever get anywhere externally to a certain level. But I
Speaker 1: think the point was I had someone who believed in
Speaker 1: me and saw that I wanted to grow. And I
Speaker 1: think I want to point that out here. Which comes
Speaker 1: third for women, which is nineteen percent ambition and leadership
Speaker 1: women wanting in men, is that I truly believe that
Speaker 1: ambition is something that is better to look for than
Speaker 1: already achieved financial success. Someone who already has financial success
Speaker 1: may want to pivot, They may even want to quit
Speaker 1: their job to try something. By the way, someone else
Speaker 1: who hasn't made it, Especially when you met someone young.
Speaker 2: They need to have time.
Speaker 1: And if that person feels pressure rather than believe, chances
Speaker 1: are they'll buckle. Now, the other thing I'd like to
Speaker 1: point out is whether you're a man or woman. These
Speaker 1: are all themes that I think are across the board
Speaker 1: for me. If you're looking for someone who's ambitious, you've
Speaker 1: also got to understand from a value point of view,
Speaker 1: what that trade is. So if you want someone ambitious,
Speaker 1: chances are they won't be available all the time.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: You can't have someone ambitious and available. It doesn't work
Speaker 1: that way. And I think a lot of us will
Speaker 1: want someone who's ambitious, but then we'll say why they're
Speaker 1: not available? Right, We'll say we want someone who's successful.
Speaker 1: But then we're saying, well, why are they not, why
Speaker 1: they're not messaging me, why they're not available this weekend,
Speaker 1: why they're not up for hanging out, And it's like, well,
Speaker 1: they're not living spontaneous, they're living structured. So we always
Speaker 1: have to understand the value that we want in someone.
Speaker 1: How does that value show up in reality. I think
Speaker 1: we almost have these very one dimensional views of values, right,
Speaker 1: Our one dimensional view of ambition is our someone who
Speaker 1: has goals, someone who has dreams, but then we want
Speaker 1: them to have dreams. But then we want them to
Speaker 1: never work on their dreams because we want them to
Speaker 1: be around. Right. It doesn't add up, and I think
Speaker 1: we can have these very limited and limiting views of
Speaker 1: what a true goal looks like. Now, the third thing
Speaker 1: that men look for a woman, twenty two percent said intelligence.
Speaker 1: And again, by the way, I am calling out all
Speaker 1: sides of it because it's so interesting to me. I
Speaker 1: have a lot of incredibly successful female friends who are
Speaker 1: doing amazing entrepreneurs, building incredible companies, doing phenomenal stuff, and
Speaker 1: they actually feel like their intelligence is intimidating. They feel
Speaker 1: like their ambition is intimidating, and a lot of them
Speaker 1: feel like they have to kind of lower themselves or
Speaker 1: lower their standards, or make themselves feel less smart, less thoughtful, less,
Speaker 1: you know, less accomplished in order to attract someone. Let
Speaker 1: me say this, your partner who cares about you, who
Speaker 1: values you, will admire your success. Now. I think there's
Speaker 1: a difference also between admiring and being a fan, and
Speaker 1: I think admiration is healthier than fandom. I think if
Speaker 1: someone's a big fan of yours. It's hard to be
Speaker 1: a partner, and sometimes we say, oh, my partner's my
Speaker 1: number one fan. I want to be their number fan.
Speaker 1: I mean, to be honest, I'd probably even say I'm
Speaker 1: rather number one fan. And maybe I should take back
Speaker 1: my statement now because I'm like, yeah, I am a
Speaker 1: rather these number one fan. What am I talking about?
Speaker 1: But I think the idea that there's an admiration for
Speaker 1: what you do and there's a respect for what you do,
Speaker 1: but you have to have that back for them whatever
Speaker 1: they decide to be or whatever they decide to do.
Speaker 1: And so if you are someone who feels like your
Speaker 1: success intimidates people, or your success, you know, makes people
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable, chances are you're just speaking to the wrong
Speaker 1: people because you shouldn't have to play down your success.
Speaker 1: I know someone who constantly started to play down their
Speaker 1: success whenever they were around someone to date them. They
Speaker 1: complained about their life, they did all those things, and
Speaker 1: then someone left them because they said they were too negative.
Speaker 1: Now this person wasn't negative at all. So just imagine
Speaker 1: that for a second. You're a positive, high functioning, high performer. Then,
Speaker 1: in order to make yourself more relatable. You start talking
Speaker 1: about your bad experiences and what's going wrong, and then
Speaker 1: that person leaves you, not because you're intimidating, but because
Speaker 1: they see you as uninteresting and complaining and negative. And
Speaker 1: so I think you don't want to become someone you're not.
Speaker 1: And there's this beautiful quote that I read from Arlin
Speaker 1: was here the other day on Twitter, and it said
Speaker 1: be yourself so that the people looking for you can
Speaker 1: find you. And I think that's what that patience needs
Speaker 1: to be. That I don't have to make myself smaller
Speaker 1: in order to have a big experience of love.
Speaker 2: I don't have.
Speaker 1: To make myself less significant in order to find a
Speaker 1: significant other. Let me say that again, you don't have
Speaker 1: to make yourself less significant to find a significant other
Speaker 1: because a significant other will recognize your significance and celebrate it.
Speaker 2: Now, I want to go down this list.
Speaker 1: For you so you know. So what women value most
Speaker 1: in men? Nineteen percent said strength and toughness, eighteen percent
Speaker 1: said hard work, good work ethic, eleven percent said physical attractiveness,
Speaker 1: eleven percent said empathy, nurturing kindness, nine percent said loyalty, dependability,
Speaker 1: eight percent said intelligence, five percent said being family oriented,
Speaker 1: and five percent said politeness respectfulness. Notice how a relationship
Speaker 1: is made up of loyalty, politeness, respectfulness, but those only
Speaker 1: make up fourteen percent of respondents fourteen percent, versus strength
Speaker 1: and toughness at nineteen percent. And by the way, I
Speaker 1: think we all look at people like, how can how
Speaker 1: can you think that? But but well, this trick is
Speaker 1: played on all of us. We all fall for it.
Speaker 1: And so I want us to be really careful when
Speaker 1: you're next meeting someone. Don't write them off because they're
Speaker 1: boring and they're polite and respectful. Because there's a part
Speaker 1: of us that gets excitement, and it's the tension and
Speaker 1: the stress that feels positive in the beginning when you're
Speaker 1: playing guessing games and you're checking in, and I've talked
Speaker 1: about this example before, this idea of this stress and excitement.
Speaker 1: When someone's playing hard to get there's the excitement of
Speaker 1: I got their number. The stress is what should I
Speaker 1: message them? The excitement is, oh, I just messaged them.
Speaker 1: The stress is when will they message back? The excitement
Speaker 1: is I'm so excited we're going out on a date.
Speaker 1: The stress is all they were hot and cold, and
Speaker 1: that creates positive tension in the beginning, but really it's
Speaker 1: not what we're looking for. It's exhausting. And what this
Speaker 1: study says men are looking for in women, nine percent
Speaker 1: said hard work, eight percent said professional financial success, seven
Speaker 1: percent of loyalty dependent ability, seven percent of competence, ability,
Speaker 1: six percent sat independence and self reliance, five percent of
Speaker 1: strength and toughness, five percent of politeness, respectfulness, and five
Speaker 1: percent said ability to multitask. What I'm realizing is we're
Speaker 1: looking for love in all the wrong places. And usually
Speaker 1: we think of wrong places as oh, am I in
Speaker 1: the right bar Am I in the right restaurant? Am
Speaker 1: I on the right app right? That kind of thing.
Speaker 1: And what I'm saying is, actually we're looking for it
Speaker 1: in the wrong places because we're looking at criteria that
Speaker 1: doesn't define the quality of a relationship right. For example,
Speaker 1: if you want to know whether a movie is good
Speaker 1: or not, you look on Rotten Tomatoes or IMDb. If
Speaker 1: you want to know whether a car insurance so something
Speaker 1: is good, you'll ask a friend or family member what
Speaker 1: they use. You go to the specific criteria to measure something,
Speaker 1: but you wouldn't say, oh, I want to know if
Speaker 1: a movie is good, I'm going to look at.
Speaker 2: The height of the actors and the cast. Right.
Speaker 1: Literally, you wouldn't do that because it doesn't impact the
Speaker 1: quality of the movie. That is literally how ridiculous it
Speaker 1: is to say, I'm going to look at this person's height. Now,
Speaker 1: I keep picking on the hight thing because it was
Speaker 1: big on that episode of Love Island yesterday.
Speaker 2: But and I'm not mad at that. I'm not.
Speaker 1: Again, like, I get it, we're attracted to certain things.
Speaker 1: But I want you to really understand the correlation between
Speaker 1: what you're attracted to in a healthy relationship, Like that
Speaker 1: element that criteria is not going to change the quality
Speaker 1: of your relationship. It's not going to change the experience
Speaker 1: of your relationship.
Speaker 2: Now, I really want you to go.
Speaker 1: Check out match dot com, forward slash Ja to understand
Speaker 1: and your values, select your values, and be matched with
Speaker 1: people based on your values, because I think that, like
Speaker 1: I said, so many of us forget our values very quickly.
Speaker 1: And I think that's because they've been talked about in
Speaker 1: this very theoretical way. It's kind of like an idea
Speaker 1: that we have. We've never seen them. We don't put
Speaker 1: them at the center of connection. We kind of put
Speaker 1: all the other stuff of like personality and attractiveness above
Speaker 1: it when values are truly what it's about in a
Speaker 1: long term relationship. And so I would love for you
Speaker 1: to go and become more familiarized with values. I'd love
Speaker 1: for you to check out my book Eight Rules of Love,
Speaker 1: which focuses deeply on understanding someone values and them understanding
Speaker 1: yours as being the core and central part of a
Speaker 1: healthy relationship. And I want to thank you all again
Speaker 1: for listening today, for connecting here.
Speaker 2: I really hope this episode helps you.
Speaker 1: I hope it serves and supports you, and I can't
Speaker 1: wait for you to listen to more episodes and on purpose,
Speaker 1: share this with a friend, pass it along.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening. I'm always in your
Speaker 2: corner and I'm forever rooting for you.
Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, if you love that conversation, go and check
Speaker 1: out my episode with the world's leading therapist Lourie Gottlieb,
Speaker 1: where she answers the biggest questions that people ask in
Speaker 1: therapy when it comes to love, relationships, heartbreak, and dating.
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Speaker 2: If it's a romantic relationship, hold hands. It's really hard
Speaker 2: to argue it actually calms your nervous systems. Just hold
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Speaker 1: It's so lovely.