Speaker 1: Did you say you died for like a second?
Speaker 2: I would say I died for like a second four times.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to be good about like living towards my
Speaker 2: discomfort because I think that's the way you grow as
Speaker 2: a person.
Speaker 1: And it has resulted and you dying. Steve. Well, Hello,
Speaker 1: how are you?
Speaker 3: Steve?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right, pull of corn bread?
Speaker 1: You said you're eating some corn bread.
Speaker 3: Yeah, some corn bread.
Speaker 1: It's just corn bread. Or are there any like meats
Speaker 1: going along with that or simply the side of corn bread?
Speaker 2: It is straight up corn bread with corn in it.
Speaker 1: There's corn in the corn bread.
Speaker 2: There's corn in the corn bread.
Speaker 1: Yet I feel like corn bread doesn't typically have corn
Speaker 1: in it.
Speaker 2: I mean I just like corn, I guess. And that's
Speaker 2: been a moisture so it's not as dry.
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, trying to get great.
Speaker 2: It's like a Jiffy box, like one of those sixty
Speaker 2: cent boxes.
Speaker 1: Steve It says here, you want to talk about a
Speaker 1: near death experience that you had recently.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I passed out while I was free diving and
Speaker 2: my heart stopped four times.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: While you were free diving, so like diving into like
Speaker 1: into a pool.
Speaker 2: I was at a spring.
Speaker 1: Mm hm m hm uh. And is free diving in
Speaker 1: activity that you regularly do.
Speaker 2: I had been doing it for probably like four months,
Speaker 2: so I was just starting out.
Speaker 1: Mhmm. What made you want to get into free diving
Speaker 1: in the first place.
Speaker 2: Well, it was kind of a way you confront a fear.
Speaker 2: I'm extremely afraid of drownings. I wanted to learn how
Speaker 2: to confront that by getting better at holding my breath
Speaker 2: and something underwater.
Speaker 1: I like that. Are you a guy who typically if
Speaker 1: something if you have a problem or something like that
Speaker 1: going on, you like to confront it head on?
Speaker 2: I used I used to not be, but now I am.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to be good about like living towards my
Speaker 2: discomfort because I think that's the way you grow as
Speaker 2: a person.
Speaker 1: I like that. I like that you did that and
Speaker 1: it has resulted and you dying. It sounds like did
Speaker 1: you did you say you died for like a second?
Speaker 2: I would say I died for like a second four times?
Speaker 1: So how high up were you when you were diving
Speaker 1: into the spring?
Speaker 2: How high up was I?
Speaker 3: What do you mean? Well?
Speaker 1: You you would you use a high dive right or
Speaker 1: free dive?
Speaker 2: You said, yeah, you're just going underwater.
Speaker 4: So I was at like, oh, oh okay.
Speaker 1: All right, so it's like you put on like scuba
Speaker 1: gear and shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think you're just holding your breath. There's
Speaker 2: there's no gear involved.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so it was deep sea diving, but just
Speaker 1: at the spring. Yeah, you holding your breath. How long
Speaker 1: were you into.
Speaker 3: The water for you, around thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: It's a long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it wasn't, but it is a long time.
Speaker 1: Were you alone? Did you have people around you who
Speaker 1: would like be there in case if any safety mishaps happened?
Speaker 2: Well, see that's the thing. I was being really really
Speaker 2: stupid and I was alone, and also didn't tell anyone.
Speaker 3: Where I was.
Speaker 1: You were completely alone.
Speaker 2: I mean there were just by standards around the spring,
Speaker 2: but yeah.
Speaker 3: I was alone.
Speaker 1: So give me a play by a play here of
Speaker 1: what happens.
Speaker 2: So I don't actually remember exactly what happened, so everything
Speaker 2: I know is from what the bystanders told us later. Basically,
Speaker 2: I did a dive and came up and it looked
Speaker 2: like I was in trouble. Then I passed out and
Speaker 2: started to think. Some guy pulled me out and pulled
Speaker 2: me to shore and They checked for a pulse and
Speaker 2: I didn't have any, so they started CPR, got my
Speaker 2: heart started. They turned me on my side to make
Speaker 2: sure there was no water in my lungs, and there wasn't,
Speaker 2: and then they brought over an AED, one of those
Speaker 2: like electronic defibrillators, and it shocked me three times until
Speaker 2: I was finally breathing on my own again, and then
Speaker 2: an ambulance came it took me to the hospital.
Speaker 1: So I'm very interested in this because you've established, even
Speaker 1: before this happened, that you went through some transitional period
Speaker 1: where you were not a guy who liked to sort
Speaker 1: of seize the day, take life head on. But you
Speaker 1: became that guy. And an experience like this, a near
Speaker 1: death experience, this is the kind of thing that sets
Speaker 1: people off, you would think, into wanting to make more
Speaker 1: of their lives. But you were already on that kick.
Speaker 1: So I'm wondering, Yeah, how did this accident further contribute
Speaker 1: to this life kick that you were on? I'm going
Speaker 1: to start taking things head on.
Speaker 2: It kind of made me realize I was taking things
Speaker 2: a bit too head on, Like I was trying to
Speaker 2: seize the day a bit too much, and realizing the
Speaker 2: risk and kind of ignoring it and doing things that
Speaker 2: I knew better that I shouldn't do.
Speaker 1: M So, how long ago did this happen?
Speaker 2: This happened last October, So this is five months ago?
Speaker 1: Okay? And uh in this in these past five months,
Speaker 1: have you been doing anything, uh that you would that
Speaker 1: you would consider to be in the category of seize
Speaker 1: the day activities?
Speaker 2: Well, I've been going through extensive testing of my heart,
Speaker 2: so I haven't really had the ability to, but I
Speaker 2: don't think I would want to if I could.
Speaker 1: Where do your thoughts lie surrounding life in general at
Speaker 1: this point?
Speaker 2: Well, after this, I feel a lot more comfortable about death,
Speaker 2: if that makes any sense at all, because for me,
Speaker 2: death was like a light switch, Like I don't remember
Speaker 2: the entire experience of you know, passing out, Like the
Speaker 2: last thing I remember is standing on a ledge getting
Speaker 2: ready to do my last dive, and then like the
Speaker 2: next day in the hospital, I started to come to
Speaker 2: and realize where I was.
Speaker 1: So you've gotten more comfortable with the idea of dying.
Speaker 2: Death in general. I think I'm still afraid of like
Speaker 2: the process of dying. But since I was not even
Speaker 2: able to you know realize I was dying. It was
Speaker 2: really kind of peaceful for me, not for anyone around me,
Speaker 2: especially you know, my family, but for me, it was
Speaker 2: kind of comforting to know that, you know, you're just
Speaker 2: gone and that's it.
Speaker 1: Right, because you didn't have much time to freak out
Speaker 1: about it or even think about it just happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's an interesting situation where everything I know about
Speaker 2: that sort of experience I've had to learn through the
Speaker 2: trauma of my family.
Speaker 3: How so.
Speaker 2: Well, that whole day of realizing what happened, I had
Speaker 2: to learn through what my mother and father said and
Speaker 2: what my girlfriend said about the situation and what they
Speaker 2: went through. Since you know, it's I'd have no concept
Speaker 2: of anything that happened in that entire.
Speaker 1: Day, right, And while in a weird way it was
Speaker 1: a little peaceful for you, it must have been very
Speaker 1: stressful for your family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially my girlfriend. I arrived at the hospital as
Speaker 2: a John Doe. They couldn't identify me. And my girlfriend
Speaker 2: is a medical student, so she in her program, rotates
Speaker 2: through a bunch of the hospital sites around the area,
Speaker 2: and she happens to be at that hospital in that
Speaker 2: department and walked in and saw me and basically was like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck are you doing here?
Speaker 1: Really, she just happened upawn you at So she was
Speaker 1: at the hospital before she even knew that you were there.
Speaker 1: She just walked in on you. She's just doing her
Speaker 1: medical school rounds and then just walks in on her boyfriends.
Speaker 1: It like almost dead in one of the rooms.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so's she's an X ray student. So her team
Speaker 2: got an order for a John Doe suspected drowning with syncope.
Speaker 2: She said at the time that she walked by and
Speaker 2: it was a huge commotion with people and then she said,
Speaker 2: you know, well I'll come back later, and when she did,
Speaker 2: she realized it was me and said she couldn't really
Speaker 2: believe it.
Speaker 1: That's fucking crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little terrifying that first, you know, I
Speaker 2: want to say, like six or so hours, like all
Speaker 2: I could answer any question was with my name, so
Speaker 2: like I didn't even recognize who she was. And as
Speaker 2: soon as she told the doctors that she knew who
Speaker 2: I was, you know, they start pouncing on her for
Speaker 2: any bit of information that she can be they can
Speaker 2: get from her. And it was a bad time.
Speaker 1: And oh man, that's uh, that's very wild. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, what would you even what would have
Speaker 1: even happened? Like I'm trying to think of, like how
Speaker 1: they would even know to if you're in a place
Speaker 1: where you're not in the right mind to provide any
Speaker 1: information about yourself. Like how long would it have been
Speaker 1: before your family would even have known that there was
Speaker 1: anything going on? If they weren't able to identify.
Speaker 2: It would have been my girlfriend getting home and me
Speaker 2: not showing me out that day and them trying to
Speaker 2: figure out where the hell I was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, man, how long were you up for where
Speaker 1: you didn't you weren't able to provide any information about yourself?
Speaker 2: I want to say, like the rest of that day,
Speaker 2: I want to I arrived at the hospital around like
Speaker 2: just after noon after noon or so, and for the
Speaker 2: rest of that day, like it was just slowly working
Speaker 2: to get back whatever cognitive function I could. And it's
Speaker 2: a miracle that I had cognitive function at all and
Speaker 2: didn't have any sort of like brain injury from the
Speaker 2: lack of oxygen or any sort of other injuries.
Speaker 1: And where are you now after five months? Are you
Speaker 1: pretty close to where you were before the accident?
Speaker 2: Pretty much? Yeah, all of the testing on my heart
Speaker 2: came back totally normal. At this point, my doctors think
Speaker 2: that my heart stopping didn't happen first. It was probably
Speaker 2: a result of what I was doing that day. And
Speaker 2: about three weeks ago I had a monitoring implant put
Speaker 2: in so that it records my heart constantly and see
Speaker 2: if we find anything weird over three years or so.
Speaker 3: Hm.
Speaker 1: Oh, so you're gonna be monitored for the next three
Speaker 1: years to see if anything's uh going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's constantly recording, and I have a little
Speaker 2: button that I can press if I feel symptoms or
Speaker 2: anything that makes a mark so that they can see
Speaker 2: what's going on at that time. But yeah, the battery
Speaker 2: of the device last three years. Yeah, like a little bit.
Speaker 1: Aware, like a life alert type of thing, like a
Speaker 1: little keychain. If your heart does something weird, just press
Speaker 1: a button.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's not like something I wear or anything, but it's
Speaker 2: on my keychain.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Does it look cool?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it looks cool?
Speaker 1: Now, can you like make it look cool?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: I can get like a like a Star Wars credit
Speaker 1: card and shit like that, Like can you customize it?
Speaker 2: I don't know, I like a like a game Boy
Speaker 2: case so I can paint over or something like that.
Speaker 2: I haven't thought of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like that. I mean that would be kind
Speaker 1: of sick.
Speaker 2: That would be kind of sick. I should look into.
Speaker 1: That before we go. Steve, any final thoughts about any
Speaker 1: of this, any final epiphanies that you would like to
Speaker 1: share from this whole this whole thing. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is interesting again because it sounded like you were on
Speaker 1: this yolo kick beforehand, and then you had the near
Speaker 1: death experience, and the near death experience is typically what
Speaker 1: drives people into the yolo kick, but since you are
Speaker 1: already on, it acted like this like Uno reverse card
Speaker 1: to THEO, and you were like, and now you're in
Speaker 1: a position where you're like, all right, you should like
Speaker 1: calm the fuck down because going yolo mode got me
Speaker 1: a little too in deep. But also that said, there's
Speaker 1: ways to go yolo without necessarily doing like going skydiving
Speaker 1: and free die. There's the ways to do it. It's
Speaker 1: not like you know, extreme sports and ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the biggest thing that I realize, and
Speaker 2: the most important thing that I realized, was that, you know,
Speaker 2: I have to think about how my actions affect my
Speaker 2: family more because it really was a situation where I
Speaker 2: was going too hard and thinking really about how I
Speaker 2: can make myself feel good and experience my life to
Speaker 2: the fullest, but not understanding the repercussions of how that
Speaker 2: might affect, you know, my family and especially my girlfriend.
Speaker 2: You know, I care about her opinion just as much
Speaker 2: as I do mine now, so I need to be
Speaker 2: more conscientious of the things that I do if I
Speaker 2: want to continue having a good relationship with her.
Speaker 1: Steve, thank you very much for sharing your story with us.
Speaker 1: Is very informative.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Thanks for talking. Don't free dive alone, don't swim alone,
Speaker 2: because that shit's bad.
Speaker 1: Thank you for calling Steve.
Speaker 3: Appreciate you.
Speaker 4: I have a good night, huh.
Speaker 1: Yolo mode can have an adverse effect on the people
Speaker 1: that we care about. I'm the you know what, Steve,
Speaker 1: Steve really is speaking to me on that. Steve really
Speaker 1: is speaking to me on that. I've been in a
Speaker 1: little bit of a yolo mode thing, been thinking about death,
Speaker 1: been thinking about the limited amount of time we have
Speaker 1: here on this earth, and it's to put me into
Speaker 1: a little bit of a yolo mode. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: this is not me giving a definitive statement on these
Speaker 1: sorts of things. But I feel like I can see
Speaker 1: how that how yolo mode can be a little bit selfish, right,
Speaker 1: you know, like, like my yolo mode is telling me
Speaker 1: I need to abandon all of my friends and family
Speaker 1: and everything I'm doing and just travel the world, stay alone,
Speaker 1: you know, stay in hostels, go to Berlin, hang out
Speaker 1: in a dungeon and get like a new phone or whatever,
Speaker 1: and you know, delete my stupid Instagram and and just
Speaker 1: you'll go off the grid. That's my yolo mode is,
Speaker 1: you know, tells me. But Steve has a good point.
Speaker 1: My mom would want to call me, you know, my
Speaker 1: friends would want to know that I'm alive and shit.
Speaker 1: So he's got a good point. He's given me a
Speaker 1: lot to think about, for sure. Ellie.
Speaker 5: Hello, Well this is her.
Speaker 1: Ellie. Uh, how is life going for you?
Speaker 6: It's going well?
Speaker 1: Why is it going well?
Speaker 5: Can you hear me?
Speaker 6: Why is it going well?
Speaker 5: I'm a bridal seamstress as of right now, and I'm
Speaker 5: really happy where I'm at.
Speaker 1: Uh, you're a bridal seamstress.
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I Taylor wedding dresses and I also make wedding dresses, says.
Speaker 1: Here that you are a dominatrix and that you orchestrated
Speaker 1: recently a nine person orgy. Is that correct?
Speaker 5: H that is correct.
Speaker 6: That was something I was.
Speaker 5: I was a dominant trick for a little bit. I'm
Speaker 5: not anymore. And then it just led me to that
Speaker 5: nine perc from a sub that I was dumping.
Speaker 1: And you were doing that for about two months. What
Speaker 1: got you into? What got you into? Hobby? I call
Speaker 1: it hobby?
Speaker 6: Ye, it technically is.
Speaker 1: Some people build model airplanes, some people play golf, some
Speaker 1: people sexually dominant.
Speaker 5: Well, I just wanted to venture where I come from.
Speaker 6: Hey, do whatever makes you happy.
Speaker 1: I think whatever makes you happen. All right, I'll stop
Speaker 1: talking over you now completely.
Speaker 3: Three.
Speaker 1: Two, stop talking over you all right now ready.
Speaker 5: So the main reason why I did it, it's because
Speaker 5: I come from a very religious background and that was
Speaker 5: just very taboo to be I guess on the other side,
Speaker 5: and I wanted to venture out. And I recently at
Speaker 5: that time, got out a relationship and I was just like,
Speaker 5: you know, what, fuck it. I kind of like what
Speaker 5: I'm doing already, and I want to continue out and
Speaker 5: I at least want to say that I did it,
Speaker 5: you know, just to have that experience. And that's kind
Speaker 5: of why I don't really do it now, just because
Speaker 5: I got what I needed from it. I got what
Speaker 5: my experience was, and now I'm here and I just
Speaker 5: know that i'd done it and when I do it again,
Speaker 5: maybe in the right situation, but more of I already
Speaker 5: did it. So I'm kind of venturing out into newer things,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 1: And what was this nine person orgy?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 6: It was very interesting.
Speaker 5: It was from I was writing by my sub and
Speaker 5: we all got tested before and after, just because you know,
Speaker 5: that's always healthy. And they were very communicative too, and
Speaker 5: some of them I'm friends with. But I did sign
Speaker 5: a confidentiality form because a lot of those people don't
Speaker 5: want to be known and I respect that.
Speaker 1: A confidentiality Oh you signed like an NDA? Yeah yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so we can talk about the experience. We just can't
Speaker 1: name names. Yeah, not that the names would even be
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you touched Katie Anderson's boobs? Like
Speaker 1: who is that? You know what I'm saying? Like, unless
Speaker 1: I mean, are these celebrities or like well known people?
Speaker 5: Like oh what, I can't say anything. I can't name
Speaker 5: the business. I can't name where they're from. I can't
Speaker 5: name anything about them. All I can name is just
Speaker 5: I did stuff with them and that was it.
Speaker 1: So in nine person orgy, I feel like, how long
Speaker 1: did this last?
Speaker 5: It was a whole night, and then I went home
Speaker 5: at four am, and then I slept for two hours,
Speaker 5: and then I continued on for my day.
Speaker 1: So a nine person orgy in my mind, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, even with like a threesome, right, it's like,
Speaker 1: how do you adequately a lot? How do you adequately
Speaker 1: time between both of the people and in the nine
Speaker 1: person I mean that's eight people. Do you feel as
Speaker 1: though you were adequately able to? Now?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 1: Are you bisexual?
Speaker 5: Am? I am?
Speaker 1: Okay? So you were interacting with every person involved in
Speaker 1: the orgy.
Speaker 5: Let me put it like this, sure, if one part
Speaker 5: of me did not have anything, you just kind of
Speaker 5: search for you know.
Speaker 6: Hey, this space is open, do you want to occupy it?
Speaker 6: You know it kind of sort of ideal, you know.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, just kind of continue it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 5: And personally, I know my body well and I know
Speaker 5: my limits. Maybe not at that time, but at.
Speaker 6: Least for the most part of what I needed to
Speaker 6: do it.
Speaker 5: But it was a lot of pressure. I did have
Speaker 5: a lot of anxiety beforehand, but it definitely does help
Speaker 5: to hang out and like talk to them and especially communication.
Speaker 5: You know, that's the very most biggest thing. And I
Speaker 5: feel like that applies to anything when you're doing it,
Speaker 5: either if it's sexual or not. But I just think
Speaker 5: it's always important to just be like, hey, this is
Speaker 5: what I can limit on, or like let's go easy,
Speaker 5: or it's like they want to say something to me,
Speaker 5: I'm more than happy to hear it.
Speaker 1: You know now in that nine person or you, what
Speaker 1: position did you take throughout that night that you found
Speaker 1: to be the most ambitious?
Speaker 6: Ambitious?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 6: Can I be fully honest here?
Speaker 5: I know I can't.
Speaker 6: I've watched you.
Speaker 5: I'm a huge fan of you, Like I love you
Speaker 5: more than any other streamer, Like I watch you religiously
Speaker 5: and I love you and I want to kiss you.
Speaker 6: But anyways, I.
Speaker 1: Mean so so so you've watched the stream you know
Speaker 1: you can you can be honest tell us.
Speaker 6: What, Yeah, totally. The most that I did was.
Speaker 3: To speak of my cheek.
Speaker 5: The most I did was, you know, two cocks in
Speaker 5: my ass, one in my vagina. Wall you girl and joking,
Speaker 5: like jerking off like two other dicks.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I was gonna two other okay, so I
Speaker 1: was gonna ad was the thing is that I would
Speaker 1: The thing that I was curious about is how many
Speaker 1: links are there at once with nine people? So you
Speaker 1: said you had two in your butt, one in your vagina,
Speaker 1: and then two in your hands.
Speaker 5: That was all in total, and then.
Speaker 1: Someone in then your mouth is connected as well. Six Yeah,
Speaker 1: because one, two, three, four five six, So that's so
Speaker 1: that's six people at what.
Speaker 6: I would not do that again.
Speaker 5: I just want to try it once, just to have
Speaker 5: that life experience.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: And like, now what's funny is like now, I'm very monogamous,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm not any type of Polly. I just
Speaker 5: wanted to experience that. And I would only do it
Speaker 5: if I was single, which I mean I am now,
Speaker 5: but I don't feel like doing it right now.
Speaker 1: Six people it's very ambitious, okay. And so then the
Speaker 1: three other I guess the three other people, where were
Speaker 1: they at this time? Or were you? Were you not
Speaker 1: even able to survey the room at that point.
Speaker 5: I don't know why. I just knew what was going on.
Speaker 5: I couldn't say anything through my eyes because there's a
Speaker 5: personal top of me.
Speaker 1: But I've always what I was thinking about. I was
Speaker 1: thinking about this with like a DP or or or
Speaker 1: OR or TP or QP. It's like, how how was
Speaker 1: there even that much like space for because the vagina
Speaker 1: and the buckle are very close to each other, So like,
Speaker 1: how do those three people even like like because the
Speaker 1: pianists it's attached to a whole human body, how do
Speaker 1: you even get three people like that tight enough to
Speaker 1: accomplish something like that?
Speaker 6: I can frame this for you.
Speaker 5: I can frame this for you. Okay, the one was
Speaker 5: on the bottom of me. The other one was kind
Speaker 5: of like at an angle where he was laying on
Speaker 5: top of that guy with his stick being in my ass,
Speaker 5: and then the top one being on top of that
Speaker 5: guy also in my ass.
Speaker 1: So the so the guys were on top of each other.
Speaker 5: It's pretty much we only it literally, Okay, that part
Speaker 5: was only for like max thirty seconds, just because it's
Speaker 5: a lot going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like there's a lot of strain on
Speaker 1: the body and like the so I feel like you
Speaker 1: would have to create a bit everyone have to creatively
Speaker 1: position themselves.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's just like, Okay, well let's just try this.
Speaker 5: It just kind of all formed together and like it
Speaker 5: was very interesting, didn't last for long just because how.
Speaker 6: Structured it is.
Speaker 5: It's not very well structured, Tino.
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound very It does not sound like a
Speaker 1: sustainable position whatsoever.
Speaker 5: It's not. It is not. So that's why you do it,
Speaker 5: you know, mm hmmmmm.
Speaker 1: You do it not so much. It sounds like when
Speaker 1: you say, you know, you wanted to do this as
Speaker 1: a life experience, sounds like you weren't in search of
Speaker 1: like you know, you weren't simply in search of pleasure,
Speaker 1: you were in search of of adventure in a sense.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's exactly how it was.
Speaker 5: Like, I mean, yeah, it sounds really nice, but like,
Speaker 5: I don't think it would turn me on all the time,
Speaker 5: just because when you really think about it, that's a
Speaker 5: lot of prep to go through, a lot of prep,
Speaker 5: which a lot of people don't understand. And I feel
Speaker 5: like that's all a lot of people don't understand. If
Speaker 5: they're not I guess maybe in the industry. I'm not, like,
Speaker 5: I know what. They go through a lot of prep.
Speaker 6: It's not easy.
Speaker 5: It's not something you just do on the go in
Speaker 5: a flash.
Speaker 1: You mean you know, And you say, do you mean
Speaker 1: like prepping of the bodies, stretching of the whole type
Speaker 1: of thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so tell me.
Speaker 5: If there's no my body would be tearing people.
Speaker 1: Do you know what. I'm glad that you told us
Speaker 1: this because people I feel like don't realize the work
Speaker 1: that it takes to accomplish show up. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I mean any in any sort of in any sort
Speaker 1: of group effort, in anything where a heavy amount of
Speaker 1: teamwork is involved, inherently requires a fair amount communication.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying, Either sexual or non sexual. It's oh,
Speaker 5: it's something you have to communicate with. You can't just
Speaker 5: jump into it just because it's not realistic. That's not
Speaker 5: how your body is technically designed to do, you know.
Speaker 5: But with you know, a good learning, good communication, and
Speaker 5: a healthy mindset and environment, you'll have a wonderful time.
Speaker 1: So before we go, tell me, I don't think we
Speaker 1: touched on this yet. But what caught uh what car
Speaker 1: I burped out was drinking some water? What caused the
Speaker 1: exit of this lifestyle?
Speaker 6: The exit?
Speaker 5: Yes, mainly because I didn't want like my family to know,
Speaker 5: because like they're also very conservative and like mainly my
Speaker 5: mom just because I really care what she thinks, and
Speaker 5: I hope she does not hear this, because i'd brother
Speaker 5: her not.
Speaker 6: But yeah, usually I.
Speaker 5: Just kind of exit because I also kind of wanted
Speaker 5: something more with one person. Now I kind of like
Speaker 5: realized to myself that, like as much sexual pleasure as
Speaker 5: this gives me, it doesn't get me in a way
Speaker 5: that makes me want to stick with it for long,
Speaker 5: you know, where like when I really get to know
Speaker 5: and like talk to someone, I know that like all
Speaker 5: my focus is on them, and I can kind of
Speaker 5: exert and kind of have that satisfaction of giving that
Speaker 5: to just one person, And I think that's really special.
Speaker 6: You know, some people like to do that more people,
Speaker 6: and I think that's even.
Speaker 5: More special if you have the energy and willpower to
Speaker 5: do that.
Speaker 6: By all means, do what.
Speaker 5: You can with your own self discovery. But it's great,
Speaker 5: it's great and well, but it is more like self discovery.
Speaker 5: And I also want to tell you get you have
Speaker 5: got me through a relationship too. Sometimes when I feel
Speaker 5: like I am alone and I don't like talking to anybody,
Speaker 5: I just tune into you and with your talking and
Speaker 5: understanding is willing to listen. I think that's one of
Speaker 5: the main things why people like listening to you.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Elie, dude, I really appreciate that. I'm glad
Speaker 1: to hear that you were able to I'm glad to
Speaker 1: hear you had the courage to go out there and
Speaker 1: try something new, and then the courage after that to
Speaker 1: decide that it wasn't for you and to leave it
Speaker 1: behind in search of something new. So thank you for
Speaker 1: sharing all that.
Speaker 5: Everybody should think. Maybe applies to yourself too, you know,
Speaker 5: as much as wonderfulness as we always want you to
Speaker 5: be happy, and you know, hey, if you find something
Speaker 5: on something better than this, don't don't hesitate to jump
Speaker 5: on it.
Speaker 1: If anyone wants to invite me to a nine person orgy,
Speaker 1: my dms are open.
Speaker 5: Hey, you can go on my dms.
Speaker 6: Have you two gek, I love you.
Speaker 1: A gorgey gecko orgy nine nine person gecko costume orgy.
Speaker 1: Who's down? Oh Zach, Yes, what's going on?
Speaker 3: It's me?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been waiting close to two hours.
Speaker 1: You've been waiting for close to two hours. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: here it is what you waited for. It's all me
Speaker 1: you'll let me start and then you'll get a go.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, Zach. It says here that you've been, uh,
Speaker 1: weighing on your own mortality. I figured, I figured, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've had plenty, we've I feel like tonight has been
Speaker 1: it hasn't been depressing enough, and I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: at least one depressing call in. So I think that
Speaker 1: we can we can make it this one.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 4: Well, I've got this really strange concept of death, like
Speaker 4: it's something that you can fight, like cancer.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: Interesting that that there's a.
Speaker 4: Possibility we could full stop or place all of our
Speaker 4: organs and cut our arms off and then become less
Speaker 4: reliant on our body system.
Speaker 3: Hm.
Speaker 1: So you have this idea that death is something like
Speaker 1: a disease where you could theoretically fight against it as
Speaker 1: opposed to looking at it as a inevitability.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's something that we don't have to do. Y.
Speaker 1: Interesting And how heavily do you believe in this that
Speaker 1: that if you wanted.
Speaker 4: To, I am a full blooded immortalist transhumanist m hm hm.
Speaker 1: So do you anticipate that you will live forever?
Speaker 7: Ah?
Speaker 4: I sure would like to, even if it's just a
Speaker 4: ghost of my brain. You know, if my brain gets
Speaker 4: scanned and then that that image of my brain gets
Speaker 4: compiled to some other entities, and maybe that in some
Speaker 4: sense is more immortality.
Speaker 1: So you say that you can fight off death. What
Speaker 1: are your strategies your methods for fighting off death?
Speaker 4: M hmm, ideally lives fit, eat healthy, swap the keto.
Speaker 4: Keto is really helpful. It makes you essentially eat your
Speaker 4: fat cells, which you can create by eating greens and meat.
Speaker 4: But the whole, the whole thing why I'm calling right,
Speaker 4: is that is it a waste of time to fight
Speaker 4: death or is it an inevitability to accept it?
Speaker 1: Well, you tell me that you are a immortalist, you're
Speaker 1: a transhumanist. Not one hundred percent shore what that means,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to go with it. It's kind of
Speaker 1: I can. I can right that you that you believe
Speaker 1: that you could theoretically attain immortality. Yes, you were about
Speaker 1: to tell me the definition of transhumanist and I want
Speaker 1: to hear that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the I would say, it's for best transhumanist,
Speaker 4: which is that God exists, but we give it meaning
Speaker 4: and he doesn't interact in our lives, that at some
Speaker 4: point something created the universe through thoughtful process. But we're
Speaker 4: here to die and die and die and keep dying.
Speaker 4: And there's a certain level of pushing the envelope that
Speaker 4: humans are meant to push the envelope. We're meant to
Speaker 4: go into space, We're meant to see other planets. You know,
Speaker 4: our planet will kill us.
Speaker 1: So you asked me what I think about fighting death
Speaker 1: versus accepting your mortality. Is that correct?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a waste of time to fight faith.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not going to tell you what to believe
Speaker 1: because you're coming in here like I'm a transhumanist, I'm
Speaker 1: an immortalitist. I believe that it's possible to fight immortality,
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to tell you what to believe.
Speaker 1: You know, if you truly believe that you can fight mortality,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you that, uh that that
Speaker 1: that that you're wrong, you know, but if you're if
Speaker 1: you're asking me, go ahead.
Speaker 4: I saw the show and I saw you, and you
Speaker 4: seem like you're just kind of here to be here
Speaker 4: and you exist to exist. So I connected with that.
Speaker 1: It's extremely act.
Speaker 4: I kind of have to I have to kind of
Speaker 4: just wander through life with no meaning, only to accept
Speaker 4: death at the end. I mean that seems kind of lackluster.
Speaker 1: Why do you feel like your life has no meaning?
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, because what does it all lead to? It's
Speaker 4: all at the end of life, you die, and then
Speaker 4: what does that mean? Like my parents would go to
Speaker 4: heaven according to them, and I would go to hell.
Speaker 4: You know, so I'm burning eternally forever. That doesn't seem
Speaker 4: too good.
Speaker 1: What is your life like right now? Do you oh
Speaker 1: my job to your friends? Do you tell me everything?
Speaker 4: I had a car crash in October that really took
Speaker 4: my life up, and it made me perceive life in
Speaker 4: a different way that it could just be gone quickly
Speaker 4: and without any idea that it would happen. You know,
Speaker 4: do you just die? I crashed my car into a
Speaker 4: wall going forty five miles an hour and fractured my spine.
Speaker 4: And the car crash was actually caused by a seizure.
Speaker 4: So I have memory issues and things going on in
Speaker 4: my life. It's just fucked. It's just fuck. Excuse me, am,
Speaker 4: I allowed to cuss.
Speaker 1: You can say whatever you want.
Speaker 4: Well, I just wanted to talk to the gecko. That's
Speaker 4: the idea, is I wanted to talk to the gecko.
Speaker 4: Maybe you could tell me that life is worth dying for,
Speaker 4: you know, or life is worth fighting for.
Speaker 1: Hm hmm, Well yeah, I was thinking about this sort
Speaker 1: of recently, and it's like immortality, there's almost and and
Speaker 1: don't let me just tell you what is and what
Speaker 1: isn't you know? I want to get your opinion on
Speaker 1: this here, because I know about as much as you
Speaker 1: do about life and shit, But immortality, there's almost a hint.
Speaker 1: There's there's almost a hint of greed to that, right,
Speaker 1: Like everyone who has ever lived, every organism, if you
Speaker 1: fucking plant, dog, elephants, booger, they've all died. Every Abraham
Speaker 1: Lincoln fucking died. Everyone who's in the news right now.
Speaker 1: It's gonna die. No, it doesn't matter. Kim Kardashian's gonna die.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna die, You're gonna die, when Listens is gonna
Speaker 1: all gonna die. Everyone's gonna die. We have this allotted
Speaker 1: period of time to exist that was given to everybody.
Speaker 1: And don't you think there's something a little bit greedy,
Speaker 1: a little bit egotistical, And I don't know. I want
Speaker 1: to get your opinion on this because I'm developing this
Speaker 1: as I'm speaking it. But I said, there's something a
Speaker 1: little bit greedy about saying, well, every living thing in
Speaker 1: the history of life has had a finite amount of time,
Speaker 1: but me, I should get more?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: No, I mean it's like, it's like if you eat
Speaker 1: a nice uh the basket of chicken tenders, It's like,
Speaker 1: shouldn't that be enough? Do I need? Do I need
Speaker 1: to order another basket? Can I not sit in the
Speaker 1: moment with the chicken tenders, observe the texture, look at
Speaker 1: the juices as I'm squeezing it. Can I not live
Speaker 1: in the moment of what I was given and accept
Speaker 1: it to be enough? You know what I mean? What
Speaker 1: do you think about that?
Speaker 4: I think it is to some degree selfish of me
Speaker 4: to want to live forever. But at the same time,
Speaker 4: the universe is so expansive that our willingness to conquer
Speaker 4: it would be something worth witnessing.
Speaker 1: I agree, And I've been thinking about this, man, I
Speaker 1: really have, because I've been thinking a lot recently about
Speaker 1: how there's so many corners of the world and so
Speaker 1: many people, and I'm just I'm not gonna be able
Speaker 1: to see it all. I'm really not. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: be able to see like fucking Lebanon, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get to go to some guy's house
Speaker 1: in North Dakota and have dinner with them. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna get There's infinite human experiences, infinite people, infinite adventures,
Speaker 1: and I'm just not gonna be able to have them all.
Speaker 1: But so because of that, and that's the reality for everyone,
Speaker 1: even the most you know, even the guy on Instagram
Speaker 1: was posting a picture of himself at the Northern Lights
Speaker 1: one day and you know, hanging out with the president
Speaker 1: the other day. Even that guy's not gonna get to
Speaker 1: do everything. So in light of that, what I think
Speaker 1: you gotta do is the things you do get to do,
Speaker 1: The friends you do get to have, the family you
Speaker 1: do get to have, the sites you do get to see,
Speaker 1: even if you think they're bory, even just the sky
Speaker 1: right outside of your front door, even talking to your
Speaker 1: mom on the phone, even looking at a picture of
Speaker 1: a dog on the computer. Whatever life experience you do
Speaker 1: get to have. Cherish it, you know, like like like
Speaker 1: where we're trying to conquer the whole world, but how
Speaker 1: much are we really appreciating the shit that we do
Speaker 1: get to do. That's what I'm trying to tell myself,
Speaker 1: because it's like, if you can't look out, if you
Speaker 1: can't take a walk around your neighborhood that you've been
Speaker 1: in for you know, however long you've been in there,
Speaker 1: and you can't appreciate the shit that's right in front
Speaker 1: of you every single day, you're not gonna find what
Speaker 1: you're looking for out in the world. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: be able to appreciate the grand Canyon. If you can't
Speaker 1: appreciate the smile on your friends, We're gonna get corny here,
Speaker 1: but you know, the smile on your friend's face, or
Speaker 1: a dog at a park at your shitty small town.
Speaker 1: You know, if you can't appreciate what's right in front
Speaker 1: of you, you're not gonna be able to appreciate what
Speaker 1: you think is the grand stuff out there. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, is any of this resonate with you?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yes, I could put it plainly as the four billion
Speaker 4: year principles that I've lived my life through is that
Speaker 4: in four billion years, all of everything we know has
Speaker 4: the possibility to completely destroy itself. So Earth and everything
Speaker 4: is just gonna go away. In two million, two billion years,
Speaker 4: our sign is going to turn into a red dwarf giant,
Speaker 4: which is going to evaporate all of the water on
Speaker 4: Earth completely.
Speaker 1: Entirely, and all the gatorade too.
Speaker 4: No, I mean not the gatorade.
Speaker 1: You think the gatorade will survive the sun dying out?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: If humans have the potential like I think we do,
Speaker 4: we have the potential to live in red dwarf land,
Speaker 4: you know, we we could go underground and save ourselves.
Speaker 1: Well, I hope I'm dead long before U before the
Speaker 1: great drought of.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not going to hold for it.
Speaker 1: Well, listen, Zach, I, I sort of feel I gave
Speaker 1: my spiel about how I feel about Thank you for
Speaker 1: giving me the space to let that all out there,
Speaker 1: because these are all things, these things that you're thinking about,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about them too. It's been it's been heavily
Speaker 1: weighing on my mind, my own mortality. But and I'm
Speaker 1: always between these two solutions of Okay, I'm gonna die,
Speaker 1: so I should go out into the world and do everything,
Speaker 1: see everything I possibly can. And I want to do that,
Speaker 1: and I'm leaning towards doing that, And it's a goal
Speaker 1: of mine to do that, but I would be remiss
Speaker 1: to not, alongside that learn how to better appreciate and
Speaker 1: soak in everything that's right in front of me right now.
Speaker 1: I was, even as I'm like on the phone with you,
Speaker 1: I'm like, in my head trying to be just appreciative
Speaker 1: of the fact that, like I'm on the fucking internet
Speaker 1: and I'm getting to do this as a job and
Speaker 1: like talk to you about these things. So I'm trying
Speaker 1: to simultaneously appreciate the life experience that I am getting
Speaker 1: to have while being ambitious toward creating more. And then
Speaker 1: when it comes time for me to die, I only
Speaker 1: hope that I'll have been grateful for whatever I did
Speaker 1: get while I was alive.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, is it wasted effort to fight it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 3: Yeah. M hm.
Speaker 4: So that's that. That answers my question. Thank thank you
Speaker 4: for taking my call for.
Speaker 1: Sure man that I guess. I guess my my sustinct
Speaker 1: answer would be, uh, that effort that you're spending fighting it,
Speaker 1: put that into appreciating it.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's it.
Speaker 1: Thank you, beautiful, Thank you, Zach. Take care. All right,
Speaker 1: I did it. I went on a on a lifey rant.
Speaker 1: I went on a corny lifey rant. Now, does anybody
Speaker 1: want to call in to tell me about a time
Speaker 1: they shot themselves? I feel like that's the natural point
Speaker 1: of progression for this podcast. Hello, is this talent? This
Speaker 1: is what's going on with you? Talent?
Speaker 8: Just hanging out warm night here up in the Midwest.
Speaker 1: Okay, do you want to tell me what it is
Speaker 1: you called in about.
Speaker 8: I moved in with my first roommate and I collect
Speaker 8: his toenails and fingernails and I don't know.
Speaker 3: How to stop.
Speaker 1: How long have you been doing this?
Speaker 8: We became roommates in September. I'd probably say it started
Speaker 8: right around Christmas.
Speaker 1: And where do do you typically find his toenails and fingernails?
Speaker 1: Does he does? He typically clip them in one particular
Speaker 1: area that you you scavenge them from.
Speaker 8: Well, uh, it started with the fingernails. He bites them
Speaker 8: and I would just see them on the floor in
Speaker 8: their living room, and I'd get it started off with
Speaker 8: me getting really upset about it, and then as time
Speaker 8: went on, I kind of just started collecting them, maybe
Speaker 8: as proof, I'm not sure. And then the toenails turns
Speaker 8: into a whole different story.
Speaker 1: Hmm. Okay, So you started collecting them as a form,
Speaker 1: as a way to build a case, but then it
Speaker 1: took a little bit its own form of pleasure for you.
Speaker 1: And how many of your roommate's fingernails and toenails would
Speaker 1: you say you are currently in possession of, Oh.
Speaker 8: Geez, maybe one hundred and one hundred and fifty two hundred.
Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, hold on one hundred and fifty to
Speaker 1: two hundred.
Speaker 8: Well, I was so I work night shifts, so I
Speaker 8: get off at two am, and I would just you know,
Speaker 8: he'd be in bed, and I just kind of go
Speaker 8: in a little scavenger hunt. I started finding more and more.
Speaker 1: I've been like one hundred off they two hundred. I mean,
Speaker 1: if he's only been there since September, that's about what
Speaker 1: six months or so something like that, six or seven
Speaker 1: months maybe? Is that even enough time for you to
Speaker 1: collect that many? I mean that, I mean the guys
Speaker 1: only had the guy only has twenty nail producing digits
Speaker 1: at a time.
Speaker 8: Well, well, what is it toenails grow at the same
Speaker 8: rate as tectonic plates separate? So I mean that's I mean,
Speaker 8: that's a substantial amount. Five a day upstairs and then
Speaker 8: next thing you know, you're looking through his carpets in
Speaker 8: his bedroom for the toenails.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the teutonic plates thing is true,
Speaker 1: but you seem like you would know more about toenails
Speaker 1: than me, So I'm gonna take your word for it.
Speaker 8: Well, I dug a little deep because I feel a
Speaker 8: little psychotic.
Speaker 1: And where do you typically keep the fingernails and toenails?
Speaker 8: I have a little wooden chest I've had since I
Speaker 8: was a kid. You said, keepsakes in it, and you
Speaker 8: know it's a little collection box.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're saying you feel a little bit psychotic.
Speaker 1: Why do you feel psychotic?
Speaker 8: Well, I've considered myself a normal guy kind of up
Speaker 8: until this point. You know, covid hit took on golf
Speaker 8: and work out, and just I have this weird obsession
Speaker 8: with the things. I observe them. I kind of sometimes
Speaker 8: there are different colors and I don't know, it's just
Speaker 8: can't stop.
Speaker 1: And do you clip your own fingers and tone fingernails
Speaker 1: and to els?
Speaker 3: I do?
Speaker 1: What do you do with them?
Speaker 8: I just I clipped them over the toilet and flush them.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you don't do anything with your own you
Speaker 1: only want your roommates. Yes, what is your relationship like
Speaker 1: with your roommate outside of this?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 1: Is there any sexual elements to this? Do you think?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 1: Are you attracted to your roommate?
Speaker 8: No, he's actually my best friend. We've been best friends
Speaker 8: for a while and we work out together. But I
Speaker 8: have a girlfriend, so like, I don't. I don't get
Speaker 8: any arousal from it.
Speaker 1: Okay, how long you done him for?
Speaker 3: Geez?
Speaker 8: Probably almost seven years?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Does he know that you collect his fingernails and toenails?
Speaker 8: He does not.
Speaker 1: How do you think he would react if you found out?
Speaker 8: We have a pretty goofy friendship. I think he would
Speaker 8: be weird at out and it would be a very
Speaker 8: weird conversation, But like, I don't think it would be
Speaker 8: a deal breaker for the friendship.
Speaker 1: Okay, have you considered telling him that you collect his
Speaker 1: fingernails and toenails or are you keeping this a secret
Speaker 1: for as long as you possibly can?
Speaker 8: I think I think I could tell him, and I
Speaker 8: want to, but it's more my girlfriend that I'm terrified
Speaker 8: to tell.
Speaker 1: Why are you terrified to tell your girlfriend?
Speaker 8: Well, I mean we've been together three years, but that's
Speaker 8: just a that's just a wrench in the whole relationship.
Speaker 8: I feel like.
Speaker 1: You seem like you've done some introspection into this.
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that correct? Have you taken the time to sort
Speaker 1: of ask yourself why you're doing this?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 8: I mean I overthink everything. I mean I've looked into
Speaker 8: the rate that they grow. I look at the nails,
Speaker 8: I look at what it's going to do to our relationship,
Speaker 8: and I just I feel like that's not a great
Speaker 8: thing to be thrown into a relationship. A friendship might
Speaker 8: be a little goofy.
Speaker 1: You google and research the rate of growth of toenails
Speaker 1: and fingernails so that you can sort of plan your
Speaker 1: next scavenge around that.
Speaker 8: Well, well, it started off with me being pissed about
Speaker 8: it because there it just it seemed like there's so
Speaker 8: many And then next thing, you know, it's just an obsession.
Speaker 8: It's almost like like research.
Speaker 1: Do you have any sort of master plan, like of
Speaker 1: something that you want to do with these fingernails and toenails,
Speaker 1: an end game of any kind?
Speaker 8: Okay, I want to burn them to see how they
Speaker 8: smell interesting?
Speaker 1: And how many do you hope to collect before you
Speaker 1: burn them? To see how they smell.
Speaker 8: I would hope that I talked to him about it
Speaker 8: before it gets to that point when.
Speaker 1: You imagine yourself burning them to see how they smell.
Speaker 1: Is he there with you to join in on the experience.
Speaker 3: I haven't.
Speaker 8: I haven't considered that, but I think it could be
Speaker 8: pretty fun, maybe a little a little goodbye.
Speaker 1: Do you think he would be open to that?
Speaker 8: Yeah, we're both we're both pretty weird.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm. I almost think if you think he's pretty weird.
Speaker 1: Do you think that there's a possibility he's collecting yours
Speaker 1: on the side.
Speaker 8: I think if he was collecting mine and I find
Speaker 8: I found out and he and I'm collecting his, I
Speaker 8: think maybe there would be somewhere else on that, just
Speaker 8: because like it's such a connection.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 8: I mean, what are the odds?
Speaker 1: What are the odds? Well, listen, uh, talent. I hope
Speaker 1: that you find the courage to come clean with to
Speaker 1: your friend about what it is that you've been doing,
Speaker 1: because it sounds like it's not weighing on you super hard.
Speaker 1: But I do think you would find a great deal
Speaker 1: of release in finally bringing this issue out into the
Speaker 1: open with him.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I agree, I been on my mind too much.
Speaker 1: Hey, thank you very much for calling town.
Speaker 8: Thank you, you have a good night.
Speaker 1: That would be kind of beautiful, actually, if they both
Speaker 1: found that they were collecting each other's fingernails and toenails.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing is that I was going, Okay,
Speaker 1: what I was going to say just now is that
Speaker 1: if somebody were collecting his fingernails and toenails, he would know.
Speaker 1: But I bite my nails, clip my toenails all the
Speaker 1: time and sort of haphazardly placed them around the area,
Speaker 1: and I think I probably wouldn't notice if any of
Speaker 1: them went missing. Somebody very well could be collecting my
Speaker 1: fingernails and toenails. And hey, to you listening to this,
Speaker 1: do you not agree? Is there not a possibility that
Speaker 1: somebody that you live with is collecting your fingernails and toenails?
Speaker 1: Just something to think about, Dan.
Speaker 3: Hey, what's going on? Hey? Hey, how's it going? Dan's
Speaker 3: going great? Man? I love your show.
Speaker 1: Oh thanks Dan, I appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: What's happening with you right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Man, So I play a trading card game right It's
Speaker 7: the Yu.
Speaker 3: Gi Oh trading card game.
Speaker 7: Yesterday I was playing in a tournament and I went undefeated.
Speaker 7: It was my first time, so I wanted to come in.
Speaker 7: I wanted to spend some love talk to you about it.
Speaker 1: I'm very curious about this. It says here that you're
Speaker 1: twenty nine years old.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: Is getting into yu gi oh a recent thing for you?
Speaker 1: Or because I feel like typically because you said this
Speaker 1: is your first tournament, and I feel like typically how
Speaker 1: it goes is you sort of when you're fourteen, you
Speaker 1: just have the cards and you don't really know how
Speaker 1: to actually play the game. You just sort of you
Speaker 1: hold up a card and your friend holds up a card,
Speaker 1: and whichever one looks cooler is the winner. But then
Speaker 1: as you get older, you actually learn how to play
Speaker 1: the game and start to get good at it. Is
Speaker 1: that a sort of a trajectory that's accurate to to
Speaker 1: your journey?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but when your kids.
Speaker 7: The only thing that I would add onto it is
Speaker 7: when you try to show each other cards, sometimes it
Speaker 7: didn't matter because if you got hit, they just took
Speaker 7: your card.
Speaker 1: Anyway, you were playing Yu gi oh with street rules.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, some people had life points. You know,
Speaker 7: we had teeth. Who could keep the most teeth?
Speaker 1: Now, did you ever have to go on the offensive
Speaker 1: and knock a person out to get their UGO cards
Speaker 1: before they could do it to you. Yes, what was
Speaker 1: that like?
Speaker 7: So his name was Ian McGuire and he was he
Speaker 7: was somebody that was one of those people who, like
Speaker 7: you thought they were your friend, but they would.
Speaker 3: Just act really shitty to you as a kid.
Speaker 7: Maybe it was just kind of situational base that you
Speaker 7: were friends out with him. But yeah, they tried pulling
Speaker 7: that move on me with my blue wizohy dragon that
Speaker 7: I pulled from.
Speaker 3: The Shoonen Jump magazine. I was really happy about it.
Speaker 7: Too, because it's like, look at how cool this is
Speaker 7: sultanate art. He tried that on me and not I
Speaker 7: shut his shit down. I took him down, and I
Speaker 7: took his card, took his face to the shadow around.
Speaker 1: Can I ask what the rest of your child hood
Speaker 1: was like?
Speaker 3: It was pretty good?
Speaker 1: It seems like, sorry, what was the last thing you said?
Speaker 3: Average suburban life?
Speaker 1: Average suburban life. Okay, So this this, uh, this these
Speaker 1: yu gi oh brawls is the darkest, gets.
Speaker 7: No, because there's a lot of grown ass adults that
Speaker 7: fight each other over yugio as well.
Speaker 1: Tell me about that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so the one tournament that was like a large
Speaker 7: tournament for the whole city. Two people were arguing on
Speaker 7: ruling with each other because it's an unnecessaryly complicated game
Speaker 7: that's very based off of the text. The one person
Speaker 7: had a judge not rule in their favor, and then
Speaker 7: he and the judge just fought in the middle of
Speaker 7: the tournament.
Speaker 1: Mm hm. So you are in the competitive ugio community.
Speaker 1: I assume you have friends in the community. Are you
Speaker 1: close with any of these people who you have observed
Speaker 1: to be starting fights in the community.
Speaker 7: I stay away from bad blood like that. I do
Speaker 7: this because it's a silly game hanging out with friends.
Speaker 3: It's a little competitive.
Speaker 7: You can have a few drinks while you're doing it,
Speaker 7: but that's just too much, too much effort to be
Speaker 7: able to put into something of silly's list.
Speaker 1: So tell me, what do you think the timeline of
Speaker 1: the life of somebody who, as a thirty year old
Speaker 1: man is getting into physical fights at ugio tournaments. How
Speaker 1: do you think their life began middled and ended or
Speaker 1: I guess not ended, But how do they get to
Speaker 1: where they are? If you had to make a gander
Speaker 1: of it, you know you yourself being one of those
Speaker 1: guys because I feel like you seem like a good guy,
Speaker 1: right you.
Speaker 3: Thank you having so much coming from you. I love you,
Speaker 3: man oh, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: Dan, you know you you see it. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: You seem like you made proper choices. But had you
Speaker 1: not you, it was totally in the realm of possibility
Speaker 1: for you to be one of those guys getting into
Speaker 1: ugioh fights at thirty years old.
Speaker 7: Yugyoh is a three road man, you think, But I
Speaker 7: would say, if anything, it's probably just escapism. A lot
Speaker 7: of people, uh, you know, may have had a little
Speaker 7: bit of rougher lifestyle, just like you were saying earlier.
Speaker 7: It's it's a childhood thing that we all got into
Speaker 7: because it was so cool. It didn't make sense, but
Speaker 7: you know, like card games, Monsters, Magic Comminion, that was
Speaker 7: the one constant that they had to go through with everything.
Speaker 7: So being victorious in that maybe gives them a sort
Speaker 7: of self satisfaction to that younger self that's still yearning
Speaker 7: to be that level of cool in Japanese anime that
Speaker 7: a lot of people try to be right now, moving
Speaker 7: myself right right, I feel like we all try to
Speaker 7: be Japanese anime characters at one point in our lives, and.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you've ever come close to experiencing
Speaker 1: what you think it might feel like to be the
Speaker 1: protagonist in a Japanese anime.
Speaker 7: I try every day when I wake up to be
Speaker 7: my own protagonist in an anime. I do my hair
Speaker 7: up pretty well too, to kind of look like that.
Speaker 1: What brought you to start participating in these tournaments had
Speaker 1: you not played the game as a child.
Speaker 7: I played a little bit as a child, and then
Speaker 7: I got out of it, just like you know, life
Speaker 7: and anime gets less interesting as you experienced real world things.
Speaker 7: And then my buddy just randomly said, hey, you have
Speaker 7: your old cards, I have mine, Come on over. We
Speaker 7: started playing with it. This is probably like five years ago,
Speaker 7: and now you know, we have our own team. We're
Speaker 7: trying to be competitive and be like cool badasses.
Speaker 1: So now that you're you're older, but yet you tell
Speaker 1: me you still crave the feeling of being an anime protagonist.
Speaker 1: Do you think that there's anything that you get out
Speaker 1: of your real, tangible life that you wouldn't get were
Speaker 1: you an anime protagonist?
Speaker 3: Probably more deeper side story lines.
Speaker 7: I work with people on a day to day basis,
Speaker 7: so everyone's little story makes up a whole different picture
Speaker 7: for me and the protagonist. Whenever you're watching those shows,
Speaker 7: you only see it through the protagonist. Sometimes writers are lazy,
Speaker 7: they'll go like a B side story going on with it.
Speaker 7: But yeah, because I work with people in their day
Speaker 7: to day lives to speak with them directly, I'm one
Speaker 7: of those people whereas you know, they just out of nowhere,
Speaker 7: will just open up unnecessarily, and in a matter of
Speaker 7: five minutes of meeting people, I know their whole life story.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's pretty close to what you would
Speaker 1: get if you were an anime protagonist, where you go
Speaker 1: up to an NPC and they'll just tell you their
Speaker 1: whole thing, whatever it is, is going on with them.
Speaker 1: So you're, you know, as close as one could feasibly
Speaker 1: be to living that life.
Speaker 7: I never thought about it like that.
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful insight.
Speaker 1: Thank you, of course. Is there anything else you want
Speaker 1: to talk about?
Speaker 3: Dan? Now? Can I just do a shout out real
Speaker 3: quick before you hang up?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Sure? Who we shouting now?
Speaker 7: I'm gonna shout out to my friend Zach. He's my fatty,
Speaker 7: He's my man who's listening to the stream with those
Speaker 7: right now.
Speaker 3: He's great people. You're great people. Thanks for taking my call, Matt.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, of course, Thank you for calling Dan.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I was always more into into Pokemon the New gi Oh,
Speaker 1: but I didn't have a lot of friends growing up,
Speaker 1: so I know I never really played the game with me.
Speaker 1: I was so stupid. And you know what, It's weird,
Speaker 1: how like, as an eight year old, they design these
Speaker 1: very sort of intricate games, both the trading card game
Speaker 1: and the video game. Like when I play them now,
Speaker 1: I think to myself, how did I as Like? I mean,
Speaker 1: I said eight, But it's probably like what six understand,
Speaker 1: like all the math involved of like HP and like
Speaker 1: you gotta selectively pick this move and like strategize and stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like an intense strategy game, but
Speaker 1: I feel like it has enough strategy that a six
Speaker 1: year old would not know what the hell is going on.
Speaker 1: It's not like Sonic or something where you can just
Speaker 1: sort of hit forward on the stick and jump every
Speaker 1: once in a while and you're good. Very surprised by
Speaker 1: that because I normally think of six year olds as
Speaker 1: kind of dumb, but you need like of the slightest
Speaker 1: bit of IQ points available to you to do one
Speaker 1: of these RPGs.
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