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Speaker 1: Oh hey, everybody, Episode eleven of the THHD Quarantine Cast

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Speaker 1: coming at you this Monday. Welcome back from the weekend, Phil, Oh,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. It was delightful. How is yours? Uh?

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Speaker 1: It was it was wonderful. We had some trauma yesterday,

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Speaker 1: but today is a beautiful day outside. It's fifty three

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Speaker 1: degrees And as soon as we're done recording this, I

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Speaker 1: am going on the longest walk I can possibly go,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna go to the river. We're gonna camp

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Speaker 1: out a little bit, cook some probably, cook some marshmallows,

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Speaker 1: sing songs, very very American things, while social distancing. I'm excited. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you even say you're you're making an evening of it,

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Speaker 1: the whole evening of it. Yeah. No, it's nice enough

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Speaker 1: that we need to be outside doing stuff. My wife

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Speaker 1: get that going strategize, have some visions of what it's

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Speaker 1: gonna look like when it's all green outside. So it's

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Speaker 1: starting to feel starting to feel like spring is is

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Speaker 1: is imminent. Fill It's imminent. I know I can feel

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Speaker 1: I can feel it. I can feel it in my bones.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those days where it's it's getting warm,

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Speaker 1: but then we've got snow on the forecast in two days.

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Speaker 1: So just to tease, that's how I always describe where

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Speaker 1: we live to folks that don't know. I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, spring and fall have have their moments, but

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Speaker 1: winter just comes and fits and starts all the way

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Speaker 1: up through May and all the way beginning in October.

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Speaker 1: So that that's all. It comes and goes. Spring, spring

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Speaker 1: comes and goes still about June, and then we get

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Speaker 1: we get to enjoy. But regardless of all that, Philip,

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Speaker 1: this is the last week of the Quarantine cast, so

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Speaker 1: I wanted to start by thanking everyone for joining us

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Speaker 1: for the first eleven episodes and and then the next

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Speaker 1: flour after this one. It's been awesome to put them together.

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Speaker 1: It was kind of an uninspected reaction to how I

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Speaker 1: felt about this quarantine and the need to distract myself

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Speaker 1: from some of the things going on and also hopefully

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Speaker 1: distract you. So we've been talking at throughout, but I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to iterate the thanks for hanging in there

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Speaker 1: with us over fifteen episodes, and we will be back

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Speaker 1: to our regular aidents next Tuesday. But phil before we

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Speaker 1: get to any of the things we have in this episode,

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Speaker 1: and which includes a hobby and hear a turkey lobe

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Speaker 1: that ruined our hunt. Uh. Sam Longer and Miles Nulte

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Speaker 1: included in that conversation. Also, you know the effects of

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Speaker 1: the pandemic on the outdoor industry economically, and then why

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Speaker 1: Miles Nolte particularly thinks that us outdoorsmans are better prepared

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Speaker 1: to weather said storm. But before we get to any

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Speaker 1: of that, Philip, We've had an email, uh asking you

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Speaker 1: a question asking Dr Phil medicine woman, a question better

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Speaker 1: than that. Are you prepared? I don't. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if Dr Phil is in right now. I can I

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Speaker 1: can check though, as the medicine woman in the medicine

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Speaker 1: woman is in alright, perfect? Oh well, we're we don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you have the sound effects for

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Speaker 1: Dr Phil medicine woman, but we could put them in here.

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Speaker 1: Dr Phil. This person needs surgery now. Don't worry. I'm

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Speaker 1: on it. My work here is done. But I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: read you this email that came in from Laramie mcclerg.

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Speaker 1: I love that name, by the way, Laramie mcclerg. Um,

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Speaker 1: Let's see let's see what he says now, and he's

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Speaker 1: asking you to give your opinion. Phil as a sage

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Speaker 1: sage non hunter, still a non hunter. You're supposed to

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Speaker 1: you're still a non hunters? Is that correct? You still

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Speaker 1: by yourself as a non Also shout out to the

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Speaker 1: loan commenter on Instagram who says that he that he

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Speaker 1: how dare you? How dare you? All? Right? Laramie says

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Speaker 1: this This one is pretty good. Phil. It's long, so

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Speaker 1: My uncle owns property that borders our family farm. About

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Speaker 1: years ago, my dad sold him forty acres that sits

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Speaker 1: so far? Phil, I yep? My got you. Fast forward

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Speaker 1: twenty years, we have rarely hunted that forty acres, knowing

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Speaker 1: All things consentered, we decided to hunt the forty that

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Speaker 1: decided to make a push through it. They call mooch.

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Speaker 1: He just says in parentheses, mooch. When my cousins and

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Speaker 1: the bad uncle's son he got his uncle, the bad uncle.

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Speaker 1: I apologize my cousin. Had I known someone was hunting it,

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Speaker 1: bad Uncle went bananas in all caps. Now, mind you,

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Speaker 1: he had signed twenty plus years earlier. He kept pushing forward.

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Speaker 1: He then went so far as to try and transfer

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Speaker 1: Needs to say lawyers got involved, but the laws of

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Speaker 1: law and our lawyers stood behind our rights. This situation

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Speaker 1: This has affected many aspects of family get togethers, holidays,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. My question to Dr Phil would be, is

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Speaker 1: this something we should move on from How would you

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Speaker 1: guys recommend handling the situation? Knowing there is family, neighbors,

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Speaker 1: of that in play, should we turn the other cheek?

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Speaker 1: Please help us feel It's a tough situation for sure,

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Speaker 1: Laramie Phil. So I'm assuming because he's a he's an uncle,

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Speaker 1: he's probably what your your father or mother's brother. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Um man, I just don't I don't understand relationships like this.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna you know this guy. Yeah, this guy

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Speaker 1: I can't believe they're still mad at me if I

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Speaker 1: I don't try to hold on to two grudges. But

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Speaker 1: I couldn't just pretend like that stuff didn't happen. Yes,

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Speaker 1: to bool, And that's why it's good to have you,

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Speaker 1: a non huntered phil um bring logic to this because

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Speaker 1: I had growing up. I had a similar situation where

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Speaker 1: Thank you appreciate that apology. Let's make sure we get

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Speaker 1: It sounds like he's just like, oh, you're still mad

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Speaker 1: and it sounds like in that case, um, your family

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Speaker 1: are you're good with that? Phil you feel like we've

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Speaker 1: we've addressed that solved that issue. Yes, And I is it,

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Speaker 1: Laramie mcclerk, Was that sounds like the name of like

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Speaker 1: a like a background character and like tombstone or something

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Speaker 1: for sure, like Laramie mcclarg's apothecary Exactly what I was thinking. Bill,

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Speaker 1: I'm like Larry Larry mcclarg's pharmacy and stuff. Yeah, So thanks,

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Speaker 1: a wonderful well. Thank you Phil as well for for

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Speaker 1: doling out that stage advice. Um, but now you're gonna

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Speaker 1: get a wonderful hunting story about Elk in Montana last

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Speaker 1: fall with Sam Lunger and Miles nul Day Enjoy Hey, Miles,

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Speaker 1: Hey Ben. How's it going, buddy? Oh? Just peachy. A

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Speaker 1: peek behind the scenes. We're gonna start just a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead. No, no, I was gonna say, but by here,

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Speaker 1: we like to do for fun, it's just what we enjoy.

426
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: I can go and grab what I need, throw in

427
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: my truck and take off and be perfectly happy. And

428
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: the last point I bring up is that outdoors, people

429
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time getting comfortable being uncomfortable, right,

430
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 1: That's that is central to what we do is to

431
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: get outside, get into a place where physically we're experiencing

432
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,479
Speaker 1: discomfort and get used to it and move past it

433
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,640
Speaker 1: and just get on with it. And and frankly, there's

434
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: a fair amount of discomfort going on out there. There's anxiety,

435
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: there's fear, uh there there, and those are very real

436
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 1: things and they're caused by very real problems. But I

437
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: think that folks in our community are better better prepared

438
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 1: to handle that mentally than a lot of people, because

439
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: we're used to being uncomfortable and being fine with it. Yeah,

440
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm sensitive to like overstating those things, but

441
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,239
Speaker 1: you did a great job of hitting it right, you know,

442
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: right at the right tone to say, hey, look, you

443
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: know these are things. I feel it personally when when

444
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: I have these existential crises like this one is because

445
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: I can't see it in my house. It's not in

446
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: my life. I know, Miles. You said, I think your

447
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 1: next door neighbor tested positive. Mm hmm. Yeah, that's as

448
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: close as it would get for one of us other

449
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: than in our homes, which we would never want to see.

450
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: But but regardless, you know it is true. I do

451
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: feel like I feel the benefits of hunting and right,

452
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 1: you know, on a daily basis, I don't feel as

453
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: stressed out by the little things. I do understand kind

454
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 1: of problem solving on that level and searching out mystery

455
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: and dealing with real consequence in terms of, like something

456
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: dies if I do this wrong. Um. I don't want

457
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: to connect that too intensely to what we're going through,

458
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: but I will. I could just say, personally, I've felt

459
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: that lack of anxiety, the understanding that that fear can

460
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: be used for a good thing, and and honestly the

461
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: knowledge that you know, I appreciate my place in this world.

462
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: I know that I, like you just said, Myles, I

463
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: can walk out the back door and take a tent

464
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: and uh, or go find a four servant cabin somewhere

465
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 1: in the Galton National Forest and be fine. Uh. That's

466
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: that's awful comforting in a time where there isn't a

467
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: bunch of comfort around. Sam, You've got thoughts on that.

468
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: Sam's time to fly by the way. So some of

469
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: the noises you here are in preparing. Sorry, I dropped

470
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: all my hooks on the floor. I do pick them up. Um, yeah,

471
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: I mean it goes to exactly what I'm doing right now.

472
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: And most of what I do with my life is

473
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 1: preparing for just being out in the woods. It's not

474
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: it's not, and Miles makes it a good point there.

475
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: It's not preparing in the prepping sense. It's just that's

476
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: what I look forward to. That's what gets me going

477
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: through the week on a normal basis, is looking forward

478
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: to go and hike in the mountains, are floating down

479
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: rivers or whatnot. And you know that's especially useful right now,

480
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: and it also gives me a lot of solace just

481
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: to know that if it does get really bad, then

482
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to be able to figure it out. And

483
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 1: I live in a place where there's surrounding areas where

484
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: there aren't a whole lot of people. It's public land

485
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: that we could go utilize, and fishing, wildlife we can eat,

486
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,959
Speaker 1: so that yeah, I don't find myself getting too overly

487
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: worked up on the about this, at least on an

488
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: individual level. I mean on a cultural social level, absolutely,

489
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, I have I mean I would like to

490
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: one thing I'll say, and this piece that was specifically

491
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: about this, I'm not I don't think we're on the

492
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: verge of social collapse. I don't think we're on the

493
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: verge of our society for and pardon us having to

494
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: figure out how to live without modern culture and convenience.

495
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: If that were the case, if I really thought that

496
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: we were there, I would probably have a very different

497
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: perspective and I would probably be much more worried and

498
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: much more anxious. Um, I think that. But I think

499
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: this is a really stressful time. And my outlet when

500
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm feeling stressed or anxious is to go away into

501
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: the woods, go fishing, to go camping, to go hunting.

502
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: And I am much more capable of doing that than

503
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: most people because I'm ready to do it all the time.

504
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: And and and I think that, Yes, I do think

505
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: that the skills we have as outdoors people would service

506
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: well in the apocalypse, But but this is not I

507
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 1: don't think that's what we're talking about right now. I

508
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: don't think we're on the precipice of everything falling apart.

509
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: I think we're in for some serious disruption and we're

510
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: gonna have to weather that. Um And I think we're

511
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: in pretty good Instead to whether it's some serious disruption,

512
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: if if the ship really hits the fan, that's a

513
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: different conversation, and that's something else that we all should

514
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: genuinely fear. Yeah, I agree with you, And I didn't

515
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: mean to suggest that that's like all I'm worried about

516
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: or thinking about. But I'm you know, I'm saying that

517
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: even if you know this, should this the quarantines or

518
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: the travel shutdown should be shut down for months, I

519
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: have ways of entertaining myself and plenty of food to eat. Um.

520
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: And But to your last point, I think you know

521
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: about the you know, stress reduction, you know, at it's

522
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: very basic level that you can get from fishing and hunting.

523
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: That's that's huge for me in my everyday life too.

524
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: So that's that's what I means. And it immediately came

525
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: to mind when I heard about that Washington fishing closure.

526
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't get upset about that. I was

527
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: just like, oh, man, well, I guess I get an

528
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: hour to fish instead of four days. That's a bummer. Um.

529
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: But you know, I kept thinking about folks who are

530
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: laid off and don't know when their next source of

531
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: income is going to arrive, don't know when they're going

532
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: to be able to go back to work or if

533
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,959
Speaker 1: they will be able to go back to work. And

534
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: if that was me in a place where fishing was

535
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: also closed, that would be a much more difficult pill

536
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: to swallow, because going out fishing is is how I

537
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: deal with problems and sort through things and process things,

538
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: and UH can find, you know, relocate my center in

539
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: challenging times. And if that wasn't that wasn't available to me,

540
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: it'd be it would be more difficult. I mean, I'm

541
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: sure I could still handle it, but it certainly wouldn't

542
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: be any easier. And I think you touched on this

543
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: too in that piece a little bit. Um. It's just

544
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: as to say, Miles, you say we're not as connected

545
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: to these structures of society, like I'm not so dependent

546
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: on certain things at the grocery store. Um. And we've

547
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: talked about this on this show prior to the quarantine

548
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: cast that that you know, hunting and fishing have inspired

549
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: me to do other things like be a better gardener

550
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: and understand where my food comes from, and and those

551
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: that knowledge is kind of disconnected me from this the

552
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: food systems more than most, not completely obviously, um, but

553
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: more than most. And that's that's of comfort. So I've

554
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: seen a lot of hunters bragging about during this time,

555
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: what's in there freezers? And I think, uh, that's because

556
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: it gives us some comfort to know that that's there

557
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: and that we could refill. We could refill that if needed. Um.

558
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: And so there there are some ideas that we are

559
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: a bit disconnected from some of these systems of society

560
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: that are kind of um being affected now not falling apart,

561
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: but being affected where we can't get everything we wanted

562
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: the grocery store or something of that nature. So there,

563
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: there just is a piece of that that I think

564
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: is addressed in your article. But overall that you know,

565
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: we just aren't as as uh, it's not as necessary

566
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: in our lives to go to the girl store and

567
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: get absolutely everything we need. Yeah no, and and that

568
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: whether it's rational or not, I feel I definitely get

569
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: a sense of calm from a full freezer and and

570
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: there's a quote from Sam in that piece about how

571
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: whether whether things were going wrong before any of this started,

572
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: he would sometimes just wander into his garage and open

573
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: the freezer and smile. And I totally resonate with that,

574
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: and I feel it even more so now. Yeah, I

575
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: think it's probably for the reason we just said, like it.

576
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: It just shows, you know, there's this this very American

577
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: sense of you know, doing it yourself and and being

578
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: a resilient. And that's kind of what that you opened

579
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: that freezers were up in here, Like there's a bunch

580
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: of resilience right there. Not only personal resilience to go

581
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: and kill an elk when it didn't want to be killed,

582
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: and I had there's a many reasons why I probably

583
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: shouldn't have put an arrow in it, but also, you know,

584
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: kind of the the resilience against something like this in

585
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: some small way. And I think a officer are looking

586
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: for a little, you know, small small ways to to

587
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: find that control over the situation, because it really isn't

588
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: much control over what's happening to us. So I think

589
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: that's a big, big part of it. And and like

590
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 1: I said, not to overstate what hunting is it's not

591
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: the cure all for everything, but um, in this situation,

592
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: it does. I think all three of us could say personally,

593
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: you know, we feel a little bit better, a little

594
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: bit more comfortable, a little bit more in control because

595
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: of the sensibilities, the skills, and the you know that

596
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: what's in our freezers and that all comes from hunting

597
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: and fishing. So um, not, I'm not preaching it as

598
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: a cure all, but it's helping right now. Help me. Yeah,

599
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: it's helping us, so, you know, in a less direct way,

600
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: but in a very very real way. Uh. I got

601
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: to go fishing recently, and uh, you know, it had

602
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: been planned for a while and I was supposed to

603
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: go with or I went with a buddy, but we

604
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: had been planning on taking one of our boats and

605
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: going floating river. And in light of all this and

606
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: social distance thing, we're like, no, you can't really get

607
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: six ft apart in the drift boap. We can't do that,

608
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: particularly because we'll be drinking under the same cooler. I'm sure.

609
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: So let's just go hit up a different river that

610
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: we can that we can wade, fish and be together

611
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: without being in close proximity with one another. And it

612
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: was a fantastic way to spend an afternoon, and we

613
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: caught fish and we enjoyed some time outside and we

614
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: didn't talk that much. We just kind of existed in

615
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: our space and watch the water flow by. That was

616
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: the most helpful afternoon that I've had in the last

617
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: two weeks straight up. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And the longer

618
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: this goes, the more we'll need it. So I'm glad

619
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: that we live in a place where we have it,

620
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: and for those who don't have it right now to

621
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: you know, hang in there and it'll come back. All

622
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: but'll all come back. It'll it'll normalize, it will come back, um,

623
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: and you can certainly count on us to try to

624
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: take you out there with us as much as we

625
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: can and get you into the field and and you

626
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: know here and those sounds, feeling, those feelings through us.

627
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: Will do the best we can with that as well. Sam,

628
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: you know, to get to a little bit more that

629
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 1: the economic side, you had a piece on the Mediator

630
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: dot com. Um. Outdoor business is suffering and adapting amidst pandemic,

631
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: and we know, you know, there's we're not immune to

632
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: the anxiety and fears created by this We're also not

633
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: immune in our community hunting, fishing, outdoors. However, you'd like

634
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: um name it to the economic woes that are happening

635
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: right now, because you give people a little bit of

636
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: kind of how you approach right in that piece, because

637
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: I think it's it's great, yeah, you know, and how

638
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: how I approach writing that piece, and kind of the

639
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: impetus for it was that I felt as though we

640
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: and others in the outdoor media community were perhaps taking

641
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: this a little bit lightly. And uh, I think even

642
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: what we're saying right now about how great it is

643
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: that we always that we have that fishing and that

644
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: we have that hunting, and that that ability and that

645
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: that meet not not everyone has that. That is not

646
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: universal among outdoors people. You know, some people didn't feel

647
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: the freezer this year, some people catching at least fish

648
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: all the time, or you know. But but more more importantly,

649
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: like the most of the outdoor industry is you know,

650
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: it's manufacturing, and it's brick and mortar, retail and guiding too.

651
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: I mean, those are those are kind of like the

652
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: three pillars of it. And manufacturing is shut down all

653
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: of all of the biggest um. You know, I'll use

654
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: the fly fishing sector as a as an example, all

655
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: of the biggest manufacturers are completely shutting down, not making

656
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: rods right now. Um, guides in most places I have,

657
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: I have a number of friends who are guides, and

658
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 1: you know a lot of a lot of fishing guides

659
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: will spend the winter booking up their summer and a

660
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: lot of folks have that all the way booked up,

661
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: and now cancelations are coming in for every single day

662
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: and they're having to give back all that money they generated,

663
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: all that money they were going to use for permitting

664
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: and equipment and supplies and and and everything else. And uh,

665
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: it's it's just absolutely crushing their businesses. Obviously brick and mortar. Uh,

666
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: they can't have people coming in the door. Um. So

667
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: it's it's it's something that the outdoor industry and the

668
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 1: people within it may take a while to recover from

669
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: financially because so much of this has to do with

670
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: face to face interaction or you know, small work environments.

671
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: So it's sad, and I wanted to remind everybody that

672
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: it's it's not not all like roses out here that

673
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: some people are in like the worst stretch of their

674
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: life right now. Yeah, you give a bunch of examples.

675
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: Is there one kind of conversation that you had with

676
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: somebody that's stuck out or a situation someone was in

677
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: that stuck out in that piece. Um, yeah, my my

678
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: friend Jackie who guides up on the KENI of her

679
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: in Alaska. I mean, I feel like I just kind

680
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: of said said her her situation through what I what

681
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 1: I just said. They're about guides booking up their summer.

682
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: I mean, especially in Alaska, it's a very compressed season

683
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: between ice out and you know and the fall when

684
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: they have to stop fishing, and their their business was

685
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: getting near book book solid and now are just bleeding

686
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: bookings left and right. And uh, it's really it's really

687
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: scary financial time for their outfit. Um And I just

688
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: I feel for I feel for her, And I have

689
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: so many friends who are fishing guides all over the

690
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: world and the same thing. It's true, and especially places

691
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: where people have to fly too, because people don't know

692
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: if they're gonna, you know, be able to get that

693
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: flight or beat be able to be able to reasonably

694
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: take it. And and a lot of people are worried

695
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 1: about their as of income and trying to get back

696
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: as much money that they've put out there as they can.

697
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: So you see, no one, no one's doing this maliciously,

698
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: But it's just it's just an outgrowth of the situation

699
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: we find ourselves in. Yeah for sure. Well, I mean,

700
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: like you said, with with all this stuff, um, even

701
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: on our website, you know, you go to the mediator

702
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: dot com and you'll see articles about all kinds of

703
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: things that are germane to kind of what we do

704
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 1: and who we are. But but in this, in this case,

705
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: I felt, like you know, on this show and on

706
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: our website and everything else that we do, we have

707
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: to to address these things bluntly and say is the

708
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: current state of situation and you know, an article like

709
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: You're Sam ended up right next to you know, the

710
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: the six Turkey vocalizations you need to know and a

711
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: simplified jumble eye recipe and um our our Mediator Land

712
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: access campaign, so so as to say like we're still

713
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: going to do the things we normally do. We're still

714
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: gonna put content out there, um and feel that everyone

715
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: could should still be entertained and enjoy and form by

716
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: by what we do. But also you know, we're not

717
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: gonna We're not going to scamp on the details of

718
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: the situation we're in. So that's that's kind of where

719
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: where I land on that, And that's why I want

720
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: to tell some hunting stories. You guys will tell hunting story,

721
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: always would. I don't know where we should start this

722
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: particular hunting story because it's a bit backwards in the

723
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: way that it happened, um for a lot of reasons,

724
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: but I feel like, just to get it out of

725
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: the way, UM, I let Miles star Miles, you want

726
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: to tell the story of how we encountered Sam's Turkey,

727
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: and then I let Sam kind of I'll let Sam

728
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: kind of tell you. First of all, have to set

729
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: the scene of where we were and what we were doing,

730
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: but then go to the Turkey, and then Sam, I'll

731
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: let you kind of tell how the turkey the end

732
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 1: of the Turkey many ways, I'm not gonna tell exactly

733
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: where we were, but no, no, no no, please don't know

734
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: that we were in western Montana. That's exactly what I

735
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: was gonna say. And it was I can set this

736
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: scene and that it was the only elk hunt I

737
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: was able to pull off last season, and so I

738
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: was really excited about it. Just partially because of work,

739
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: partially because of the status that I have at home

740
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: right now, just don't have the ability to get out

741
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: as much as I used to, but and will in

742
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: the future. But anyway, we're all going elk hunting for

743
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 1: the weekend. We leave the office a little early Friday.

744
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 1: We have a great crew and we are pumped. There's

745
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: a storm coming in, snow is coming. Things are going

746
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: to be moving. Good stuff is going to be happening

747
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: mid September, YEP, mid September. We load up a couple

748
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: of trucks and get getting good crew of folks and

749
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: and off we go. And we're getting close to base camp,

750
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: which is right up next to the timber that we

751
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 1: were going to be hunting. And we're driving along little

752
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: dirt road and kind of meandering, and we're looking at

753
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: some some white tail hanging out on private property down

754
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: the river valley, and we're scouting up above us to

755
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: see if we can see you out driving real slow

756
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: like you do, and you're going out hunting, And in

757
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 1: this patch of broken timber right there in the foothills

758
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: off to our left, there's a flock of turkeys. We

759
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: all pull over. We look up at the flock of turkeys,

760
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: and they give zero damns about the fact two trucks

761
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: just pulled up right on them. They do not care.

762
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 1: And we think we are all we all amassed outside

763
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: of the trucks. And and the inevitable question came up,

764
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: who's got a turkey tag? At which point, I believe

765
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: Sam raised his hand and said, I've got turkey dag.

766
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: Who's got a shotgun? Yeah? And I think I said

767
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: I've got a shotgun? And you guys all said I

768
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: we I have turkey tags, but I didn't bring it

769
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: with me. That is correct. I did say those words,

770
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: and for two for us in our camp eating situations,

771
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: Sam uh made a move. Explain yourself, Sam, Yeah, Well,

772
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 1: I'd like to use this as an opportunity to plug

773
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: another story I've written but is as of yet unpublished. Hint, hint, Ben,

774
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: give that a read. Um, but it's the working title

775
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: is um how to Kill Turkeys? If you suck at calling,

776
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: and I don't. I don't. I'm not gonna I'm not

777
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and say that I'm the worst caller

778
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: in the world. But you know, turkey hunting is one

779
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: of many things that I enjoy in the springtime, so

780
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: it's not where I usually end up dedicating my entire time.

781
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: But anyway, Um, it's a lot about spotting stock and

782
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: ambushing turkeys, which I think is kind of aproposed to

783
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: this discussion. But we saw him kind of working through

784
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: the broken timber and towards sort of a crease in

785
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: the hillside, and I so I like kind of ducked

786
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: down and got out of their sight and it way

787
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 1: way around, got out in front of them and crept

788
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: up through the timber and they were still, you know,

789
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: pretty focused on Miles and Joe and they probably could

790
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: see then too. But um, sorry, and uh so that

791
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: was a short Joe, weren't Ben? Just Ben just refused

792
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: to give me any sort of rise, not because you're

793
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: you're about to get me on some other stuff. So

794
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: I just want to I just want to keep it

795
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: to a minimum. Okay, I'll let you tell, I'll let

796
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: you tell the other the other stuff part. That's right,

797
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: that'll help, That will help that. I'm sorry, that'll soften

798
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: the blow. Now we've done. We've done. I too, am

799
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 1: much shorter than Miles and Joe. Just for the average

800
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: average hight guess, average average anyway, So just kind of

801
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: got down and real sneaky, working up through a bunch

802
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 1: of big, tall standing sage brush, trying to keep the turk.

803
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: He's like completely out of my sight because I could

804
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: sort of hear him and I knew where they were going,

805
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, there they are, like

806
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: thirty yards and I was trying like hell to find

807
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: a beard on any of them but could not, and

808
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: just so I ended up picking the biggest looking him

809
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 1: because it was it's either sex turkey there in the fall,

810
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 1: and dropped the hammer, kind of wounded it, but ran

811
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: hustled up and got on top of it. I was

812
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: able to finish it off. And we hadn't even started

813
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: hunting yet, and we were already already having success as

814
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: a group. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I felt at that juncture,

815
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: I felt really good about things. I'm like, this is

816
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: that got western, that got western pretty quick, and I'm

817
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: into it. Uh, We're gonna cook this turkey up. But

818
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: I felt like it's a you know, that's a ceremonial

819
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: first kill of the hunt. Uh, my first I'm expecting

820
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 1: this to result my first resident elk of my life

821
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: and a good chance for Miles, and a good chance

822
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: for Joe and saying could be back there calling bulls

823
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: since he already filled a thag um. So there's a

824
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: bunch of I'm excited for this for a bunch of reasons. One,

825
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: as you said, Miles, I'm in your similar situation. Even

826
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: though I was able to kind of craft a few

827
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: weeks for a few more weekends than you, it's still

828
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: was limited to what was in my dreams about my

829
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: first elk season in Montana as a resident. So limiting

830
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: as it was, this was kind of like a good

831
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: reason to get out there. The weather was supposed to

832
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: be pretty good, and we had some hot tips about

833
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: where some some good bulls had been killed and where

834
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 1: we could get into them. So it's set up nicely,

835
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: that's to say the least. Um. And it's a nice

836
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: turkey an auspicious beginning to trip, and I'd like to

837
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: I'd like to make note of the fact that typically

838
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: I'm not one to pull over the truck and go

839
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: running after animals that are just kind of kicking around

840
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: on the side of the road, especially turkeys. I have

841
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: a lot of respect for hunting turkeys, and I really

842
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: like to do it out of a backpack um with

843
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: binoculars on my chest and spending all the day out

844
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: in the woods, but going up to hunting camp for

845
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 1: a couple of days in the mountains. We had the

846
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: opportunity to provide camp meat. It just felt like a

847
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: little bit different scenario than I normally would approach hunting.

848
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: But I'm no qualms about doing that, and it was

849
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: nice to have that extra a little bit of freshness

850
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: in our in our diet because I can't handle eating

851
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: mountain house at a trailhead back country only. Yeah. No,

852
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I think obviously the scenario is what it

853
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: was a fall turkey tag. You either eat that turkey

854
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: tag or eat a turkey and that scenario. So um,

855
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: we were. We were endeavoring to eat turkey. How Sam,

856
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: I'll let you kind of. We got into camp. We

857
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: drove into camp, parked our trucks, put the tents up.

858
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: It was getting kind of dark. Um. I don't remember

859
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 1: hearing any bagles that evening, but it didn't really matter.

860
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 1: It took us a little bit of time to find

861
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: a nice place to lay our heads. We got you

862
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: and Miles were in uh in a t p and Um,

863
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 1: Joe and I were in one of those new first

864
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 1: Light Nemo tents, each one each, and we had gotten

865
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: all that set up. We got our trucks parked in

866
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: such a way we could put some chairs out, hang out.

867
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: Um broke out, the broke out, the grill, got everything

868
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: going a little little tailgate. Cooking is going down now, Sam,

869
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: you can uh let everybody know on the recipe here, like,

870
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: how what's the approach? Because I know you had you

871
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: had brought a cookbook with you, right that had basically

872
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: a gourmet recipe. Yeah, it's it's the it's the cookbook

873
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: I wrote. It's it's called how to how to make

874
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: wild Game when you don't have any cooking oil. Okay,

875
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: take us through your your movements here. People to be

876
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: interested to know how you how you came up with

877
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: this meal. Uh? Well I came up with this meal

878
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: primarily just sitting there looking at what we had, which

879
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: was not very much. Uh. I don't know how am

880
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 1: I cook? It got to be without any sort of

881
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: coconut oil or olive oil or any of that sort

882
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: of standard practice ingredient list, but we were without it.

883
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: So I was like, you know what I had? Turkey

884
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: schnitzel in mind. Probably heard Janice talking about it recently

885
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: and so but I did. I did have some rich

886
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: crackers that were all crunched up in the bottom of

887
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: the food box. So I crunched those up all the

888
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 1: way and then put them in a big ziplock bag

889
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: and then put the turkey breasts in there with them

890
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: and cover them and pounded them up a bit first,

891
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: and and then got all that ritz cracker all over them,

892
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: and then there i'll coated up nicely. But we landed

893
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: on beer for a cooking oil. Let's let's be honest,

894
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: that's what we had. We have forgotten oil, but we

895
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: didn't forget beer. So I mean, how could you forget beer?

896
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 1: We thought, I think somebody suggested using the whiskey, and

897
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: I just I didn't know what to do with that,

898
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 1: and I felt like it would it would get sticky

899
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: or something where I don't know, I didn't I didn't

900
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 1: see it. I didn't see that going well. So plus

901
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: we had more We had more beer than whiskey at

902
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: that point, which is a buch is a big part

903
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: of part of it. But yeah, you you started cooking,

904
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: and ship was getting it was improving over time. I

905
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: was skeptical in the in the beginning as the direction

906
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: you were headed. But over time it started to smell

907
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: pretty good. It really did. Yeah. I had to continue

908
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: adding beer because it just all like evaporates in a

909
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: hot pan and just leaving like a little bit of

910
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: kind of gravy. And uh, cooked it fast and hot

911
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 1: and kept dumping beer all over it, and it came

912
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: out all right. Yeah, and we're you know, it was cold,

913
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 1: we'd set up camp. We're ravously hungry. You know how

914
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: you get when you're just setting up camp the first time,

915
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: you want a nice warm meal and a beer and

916
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: to relax because you're gonna kick get your ass kicked

917
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: the next day, humping around for elk um, and so

918
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: you kind of get in that mood where warm food,

919
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: especially fresh wild turkey, is uh, this is a perfect

920
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: medicine to kind of get you, get you relaxed. And

921
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: let's be honest, it came out a lot better than

922
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: I expected it too. Oh. I was in the beginning

923
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: like there's no way this is gonna I was like,

924
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: I'll I will, I will chew this and swallow it,

925
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: but I'm not going to enjoy it. And I was

926
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: totally completely wrong. It was. It was you know, not

927
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 1: probably what we would have made if we'd had access

928
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: to a full kitchen. But it wasn't just palatable. It

929
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: was good. It was, yeah, it was. I was. I

930
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: was pretty impressed. I've had I've had worse. Uh, I

931
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: can't meet Turkey experiences than that. Yeah, No, I was

932
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: impressed with your your abilities, and I think maybe we

933
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: should put that on our website. Eventually just went into

934
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: that where like there were some crackers, we had some spices.

935
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 1: I don't know, there was beer involved. That's that's all

936
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: we remember. If we're being to beyondest, that's all we remember. Well,

937
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: I think, you know, if we're being truthful with our

938
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: with our new freestyle cooking series which I started a

939
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago with my pickle juice pot roast

940
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: recipe and Danielle is going to keep that rolling next week,

941
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: I believe, um, if we're being honest with our audience,

942
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: we should put out the terrible recipes too, and like, hey,

943
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: you know, don't do this freestyle cooking. Don't do this,

944
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: like learn from our learn from our failure. I don't

945
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: know if people would would click on failed recipes that

946
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: you don't ever want to try. But I mean maybe

947
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: if you're bored enough, you're bored enough, Yeah, maybe the

948
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: Desperate Outdoorsmand's Guide to camp cooking. You know, you're just

949
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: in the spot and you got some meat and that's

950
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: about all you have. What do you do? Um? So

951
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: this so at some point, I don't remember exactly how

952
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: it was introduced to the situation. At some point they're

953
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: emerged from this container of cooking items a little bottle

954
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: about say eight to ten inches tall, I'm not sure

955
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: how tall, exactly six a diminutive bottle of green liquid.

956
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 1: And on the bottle were words and pictures and things

957
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: that are normally on bottles. And I was, I believe,

958
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 1: told by someone that that was it was hot sauce

959
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: of some kind. Sam. Yes, Um, it was hot sauce. Uh.

960
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: And I remember the whole genesis of that hot sauce. My,

961
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: my good buddy Jake Peach left it in my dear

962
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: camp two years ago. And he's a big hot sauce guy,

963
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: and I could I remember him having it then. And

964
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: I could barely put like a few drops on my

965
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: food without just completely destroying it. So we had the

966
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: first um lobe off of this turkey, just just in

967
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 1: uh Rich crackers and and kind of smashed up chitzel style,

968
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: and I think we chopped at the other lobe up

969
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: kind of mixed in some stuff, mixed in some more beer,

970
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: mixed in some more spices, and we're just sort of

971
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 1: all sitting around a tailgate picking at it. And then

972
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: un what happened? Ben? Well, you know this small bottle

973
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: had You know, I love the green tabasco, and I

974
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: also love the green cholula. So things that are in

975
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: small bottles that are green are attractive to me because

976
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: they generally add taste to a meal. And in this case,

977
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: I picked the green bottle up and I unscrewed the

978
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: little cap and I expected, I think there to be

979
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: a governor on on the sauce, a little poor stopper.

980
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: I called the governor, uh and so, and turning it over,

981
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 1: I I it's just I did so with little regard

982
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: to kind of like the speed that the liquid would

983
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: come out, and I didn't really know that it would

984
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: be all that hot. And I was excited to add

985
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: some flavor for everybody. And also I was a little

986
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: bit I was you know, it's a couple of beers

987
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: in and it was dark, and so I will put

988
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: all that together in a mixture. And the next thing

989
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: I know, I looked down and there is roughly half

990
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: the bottle, or two thirds of the bottle even of

991
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: habanerro hot sauce on the turkey. I think that made

992
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: it underselling this bend, because to be to your credit,

993
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: to be fair, you was you assumed that there was

994
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: going to be one of those little stoppers so that

995
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: you you'd have to shake a few drops out, right,

996
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: because that's how it is with both with the tabasco

997
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: and cholula. You gotta give that thing a pretty aggressive

998
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: shake to get those drops to come flying out. And

999
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: you you shook it with all the zest and verve

1000
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: that one would give that bottle of tabasco that was

1001
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 1: going to give you that beautiful vinegare slightly hot flavor. Unfortunately,

1002
00:54:55,719 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: instead of a mere sprinkling of flavor, we got a deluge.

1003
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: It was all of it, all of it. And at

1004
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:09,720
Speaker 1: that point, if you had like separated the distinct parts

1005
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: of that skillet, it probably would have constituted at least

1006
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: ten or fifteen percent by volume. Yeah, and I was

1007
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: thinking before we were going to talk about this. Maybe

1008
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: there was some sort of extra gravitational pool where we

1009
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: were given the elevation the air was thinner. Uh, it

1010
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: goes the other way there. I think there's less gravitational

1011
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: pull the further you get from the center of the Earth.

1012
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: Not a not a scientist, but I was thinking maybe

1013
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: that could have happened. But we'll move on. So the

1014
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: result was an unedible inedible. I mean we ate it,

1015
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: most of it, most of it. Um, we ate half

1016
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: of it. I remember that because the next morning I

1017
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 1: had a can of stew that I just found in

1018
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: my in my stuff, and I mixed that in with

1019
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: the rest of it to try to kind of stop

1020
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: it up and eat the rest of turkey. And there

1021
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: was a bit of turkey. Let me. I think this

1022
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: is actually an illustrative story because earlier in this conversation,

1023
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: Sam said, I will not eat Mountain House at the trailhead,

1024
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: and he is so serious about that. We had Mountain

1025
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: House breakfast that morning. There was there was a full

1026
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: array of Mountain House breakfast, and Sam said, no, I

1027
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: would rather take a can of stew mixed with flaming

1028
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: hot turkey lobe and have that for my breakfast than

1029
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 1: Mountain House. So I that is not just Sam kind

1030
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: of playing lip service to not want to eat Mountain House.

1031
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: The Duke will go to extreme lengths to avoid it.

1032
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: I've seen it extreme length after Turkeys. So I'd like

1033
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: to then fast forward to the end of what what

1034
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 1: ended up being the very end of the hunt. Well, actually, no,

1035
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: I think you're skipping over an important point that's connected

1036
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: to the Turkey lobe. I think an important part of

1037
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: the story when when uh we we sort of separated

1038
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: into two groups. You may remember this, and uh we

1039
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: thought Sam and I had gone one direction and you

1040
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: and Joe went off in a different direction, all chasing

1041
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 1: different elk, trying to get in position. And it's getting

1042
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: to be the middle of the day. Things were kind

1043
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: of quieting down, slowing down a little bit, and I thought, man,

1044
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: those guys must have busted off into a whole separate drainage,

1045
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: you know, chasing after after bugling up. Well, we'll probably

1046
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,439
Speaker 1: see him back camp at night. There's nobody around here,

1047
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: and I feel that turkey rumbling deep deep down inside.

1048
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: So I said, hey, Sam, I'm gonna go run up

1049
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: the hill over here to my own little shady area

1050
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: dig a hole, which I did, and uh, and I

1051
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: got the vengeance of the hot sauce unleashed itself. And

1052
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: just about that same moment, I believe you and Joe

1053
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: someone did the ridge? Is that? Is that about that accurate?

1054
00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: And we're treated delightful sights and we weren't that far

1055
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: from you, and we're kind of working our way back

1056
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: in your direction, trying to find you to meet up.

1057
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: And because we didn't have an luck where we were,

1058
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: and we kind of bumped into the edge I think

1059
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:13,959
Speaker 1: bumped into the edge where we where we really wanted

1060
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: to be. So we're kind of working your direction, not

1061
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: thinking you'd be up as high as we were, and

1062
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: we were coming down over the ridge and I saw

1063
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: a man's head. I thought, oh, interesting, I'll back off,

1064
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: and then I was kind of working my way around

1065
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: to go around you, not knowing it was you. And

1066
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: then I saw a man's pants and then a man's ass.

1067
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh that guys, Yeah, it's taking a ship.

1068
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: And there's really no he's taking a ship. And there's

1069
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: really no way a direction I can go to make

1070
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: it more polite, so I kind of just have to

1071
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: I kind of have to just turn around and look

1072
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: the other way until he's finished, because I kind of

1073
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: have to go where right by where he's sitting there

1074
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: to uh, to get to where I want to go.

1075
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: I'll just kind of take a few steps up the

1076
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: other the other direction and wait, and Joe and I waited,

1077
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: and I remember like, waiting a little bit, and then

1078
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: turn around like, nope, still going, waiting a little bit,

1079
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,479
Speaker 1: waiting a little bit, waiting a little bit, Nope, still going,

1080
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: And I wait a little bit, wait a little bit,

1081
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: turn around, Oh he's wearing first, like that's cool, and

1082
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: still going pretty much uh the whole time. And then

1083
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: by the time you were done and stood up, I

1084
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: realized it was you, and I felt well, I felt

1085
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: less embarrassed about the situation. It was. It was. It

1086
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: was uncomfortable for a number of reasons, one being an

1087
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: atomic deluge, uh, the other upon realizing I just relieve

1088
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: myself in front of my two colleagues, not knowing they

1089
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: were anywhere near me. I apologize for that, know, and

1090
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: I apologize for being so close. And I didn't want

1091
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: to flag you down. I thought that would be inappropriate. Uh,

1092
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: but I don't want to say, hey, I'm behind you,

1093
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: uh at that point. Yeah, so I felt like I

1094
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: just needed to let it finish and then and then

1095
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: and then addressed the situation. And I didn't know it

1096
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: was you until until you were done. So I felt

1097
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: that's thank you for calling out. As we kind of

1098
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: tell the story of the result of the turkey, I mean,

1099
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: the reason that it happened the way it did, and

1100
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get graphic, but the turkey was really

1101
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: the motivating factor on the fact that that had to

1102
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: happen right then, Yeah, and quickly. Yeah, we all had

1103
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: that had a brush with that. Yeah, a brush with

1104
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: the brushless, a brush with wet wipes. Uh. So yeah,

1105
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: if you fast forward to I guess what is that

1106
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: evening now that I'm thinking of it. Um it correct

1107
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. It's the same day we had

1108
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: split up again and then inadvertently come back together again

1109
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: with our second or second turn at that Um. It

1110
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: was Joe and I and Salmon Miles, and we had

1111
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: splitting up and got up in this ridge where there

1112
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: was above where we had had been hunting some some

1113
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: good bulls during the day, had some good encounters and

1114
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: we found kind of a you know, if I cut

1115
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: that out, a row that went through it, that went

1116
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: back down, and and that road kind of went back

1117
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: down to camp. So Joe and I like, we'll just

1118
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: sit here to wait for the bulls to fire up

1119
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: this evening. It will either find one that's wants to

1120
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: travel this little the edges of this cut, or we'll

1121
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: at least have a quicker way back to camp. So

1122
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: this is a good spot to be. Eventually, you guys

1123
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: probably thought the same thing, or you guys came down

1124
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: from the top. We ran into each other, and it

1125
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: turned into a nice little break, uh that that. But

1126
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: there was a fire made. A little little fire made

1127
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: is getting cold at the end of the day, A

1128
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: little nice fire, warm fire made. And as we were

1129
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: sitting around the fire, we were talking strategy. What are

1130
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: we gonna do. We gotta get back to camp, you know,

1131
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: we come back up here tomorrow. We were in we

1132
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: were in some really good bulls most of the day.

1133
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: We had a hell of a day in terms of

1134
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: elk encounters. Um my story about the turkey, we're leaving

1135
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: myself of the turkey came and that a bull started

1136
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: bugling up this ridge above where we had made our fire.

1137
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: Sam's like, I'm staying here, dude. I'm he guys, sounds

1138
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 1: like we're dragged out. I'm not going to the top

1139
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: of that mountain. Like, I'm not gonna go to the

1140
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: top of the mountain again. And there's four of us.

1141
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: Four of us don't need to go up there. Know.

1142
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: What I said was, I'll keep the fire warm for

1143
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: when you guys get back, exactly it was. It was

1144
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 1: utterly selfless of me. And so the three of us started,

1145
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: Joe and Miles and I started going up this hill

1146
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: and we got about a third of the way up

1147
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: the hill, up the road, and I was like, guys,

1148
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna stay back, and uh, not feeling great. Well.

1149
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 1: I think I think part of that had to do

1150
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: with the fact that Joe, it's kind of like the

1151
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: Bionic Man a little bit. He's just just like six

1152
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: ft five of pure muscle and endurance and he is

1153
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: sprinting straight uphill. And it was very uncomfortable, shall we say,

1154
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: trying to keep up with Joe at that incline, at

1155
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: that elevation. I had been doing it all day, and

1156
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: I just I always prided myself on being a little

1157
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: mountain goat you know, like I can you know, I

1158
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: can go, I I can get up and get down, um,

1159
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: But at that time I had something weighing me down

1160
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: in my gun. I was like, I can't. I don't

1161
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna make it up there. And you guys

1162
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: actually made it all the way up there fairly quickly,

1163
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: to your credit, following Joe, and it turned out to

1164
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: be a bugling cow. Is that right? That that was

1165
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: Joe's assessment situation. We never saw a bull. We found cows.

1166
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: We never saw any bull in the area. But there

1167
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: I sat back and watched some bulls above where you

1168
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: guys were. Um, But there was an elk bugling that

1169
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: didn't look to have anything on top of set. So

1170
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: I just assumed, yeah, that I probably could have been.

1171
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: But there are bulls above, way above you guys, bugling

1172
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: from where I could see. But the reason I was

1173
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: back where I was, it's because the curse of the

1174
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: hobbaniro lobe um struck me late in the day and

1175
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: I ended up on my hands and knees as you

1176
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: guys walked away from me, on my hands and knees,

1177
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: puking into the dirt. That was a little puke a

1178
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: little turn about, right because we're sprinting. I'm trying to

1179
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: follow Joe and I'm just sprinted, sprinted, sprinting up this hill,

1180
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I realized you're no longer

1181
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: with me, and I turn around and I see you

1182
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: doubled over under a tree, sort of having a personal moment,

1183
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: but then also waving me off, like go just go,

1184
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: just leave me, save yourself, just go get the helk,

1185
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: get the elk. So yeah, I was just letting. It's

1186
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: one of those I won't be too graphic anyway, but

1187
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: it's one of those pukes where it just it had

1188
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: all the spice and everything coming up. So it was

1189
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: just not eyes watering, those running, just everything about it

1190
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: not pleasant. Um, So it's eventually I stumbled down over

1191
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: the hill back to Sam like I'll be this fire

1192
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: feels nice, I'll stay here. And eventually you guys show

1193
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: back up like, yeah, no, it did nothing going down.

1194
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: But to your credit, to your credit, you guys got close.

1195
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: We it was on an elk, but it just wasn't

1196
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 1: the elk we wanted. And it was I mean, it

1197
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: was I don't know how close to the end of

1198
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: shooting white, but it was fairly close um by that time,

1199
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 1: and you guys got it up there pretty quickly and

1200
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: got got within range of an elk, which it was

1201
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: pretty steep, so getting up there that at that clip

1202
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 1: was impressive. But that was kind of the end. Turned

1203
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 1: out to be the end of our hunt. But it

1204
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to be. It turned out to be. And

1205
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, we all had our our trips

1206
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: and our remembrances of the Habaner Turkey lobe throughout, but

1207
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: I I feel like, I, uh I got it maybe

1208
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: the worst, and there may be deservedly, So I'd say

1209
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: that Turkey got her revenge on us. That's what I'd say. Yeah,

1210
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: that is that is for sure, and that kind of

1211
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: marks now. But that you know, we had um a

1212
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: bunch of good elk encounters. But then, as is kind

1213
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: of tradition since I moved to Montana for Sam and I, uh,

1214
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 1: we go hunting for one day and then get snowed

1215
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: out for the second day. Basically, Yeah, that was the

1216
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: second of our our our three time run of of

1217
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: having a nice, lovely day of hunting and then an

1218
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 1: atrocious snowy one. Yep, that's for sure. Just or just

1219
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 1: bailing out because it's way it's snowed, way too much. Yeah,

1220
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: And I guess I won't apologize or they're not. I'm

1221
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: not going to include any like actual elk stories in this.

1222
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: But there's one other story we have to tell about

1223
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: what happened that first night in camp after we went

1224
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: to sleep with spicy butt holes and all, like we

1225
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: went to sleep, and Sam, I'll let you because I

1226
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 1: was asleep from this like half in and out and

1227
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 1: trying to realize what the hell was going on. But

1228
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: Sam was fully awake, so I'll let's. Sam kind of

1229
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 1: let it fly. Yeah, I I I often take a

1230
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 1: while to to fall asleep at home or in a tent.

1231
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: It's not usually any faster in a tent um. But

1232
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: it was probably eleven thirty midnight, after we had been

1233
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 1: sitting around the tailgate eating hot and narrow turkey and

1234
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: drinking beers and bullshitting and whatnot, and we're all laying

1235
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: in the tents. Everyone else was asleep and we are

1236
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: just way up on the side of this mountain just

1237
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 1: you know. We took probably five different logging roads to

1238
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 1: get there, and it kind of fans out over this

1239
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: broad sage flat, and there's four or five different road

1240
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: endings through there, probably kind of at the uh forest

1241
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: boundary and and whatnot. And then all of a sudden,

1242
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: out of the out of the dark and quiet, a

1243
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: truck comes rumbling up the up the road towards us,

1244
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 1: and full bright headlights right on our trucks, right on

1245
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 1: our tents, and keeps coming closer, and keeps coming closer,

1246
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 1: and keeps coming closer. And then all of a sudden,

1247
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:57,439
Speaker 1: this truck is parking like thirty yards from my tent,

1248
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: and they the gun and the two guys pile out,

1249
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 1: talking in full voices, slam indoors, and you know, and

1250
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: it's pretty obvious that there this is where they were

1251
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: planning to go, and this is where they think the

1252
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 1: road ins and where they want to go tomorrow. But uh,

1253
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 1: it rankled me quite a bit um and so I

1254
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: unzipped to the tent and and Miles, do you remember

1255
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: what I said? So, I mean, this was this was

1256
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: so weird from my perspective because I was in a

1257
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,640
Speaker 1: dead sleep, and I remember waking up going, why did

1258
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: the hell has anybody turning on the truck? Why would

1259
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: you do that? It's like eleven o'clock at night, and

1260
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:40,640
Speaker 1: then I heard the tent flap on the zip and

1261
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 1: I heard Sam's voice say, you guys aren't planning to

1262
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 1: kemp there, are you? And then I heard an unknown

1263
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: voice from outside and Sin say, uh yeah, And there

1264
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: was a bit of a pregnant pause, and I could

1265
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 1: almost hear like I felt like I could here Sam's

1266
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: frustration welling up inside of him and him fighting back

1267
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 1: the desire to say very unpleasant things to this person.

1268
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 1: And his response was something along lines of I don't again,

1269
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Speaker 1: I was sleepy, but it was some along lines of well,

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01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's public land at all, but there are

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01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: miles and miles of other places you guys could camp.

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01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 1: You don't need to camp right on top of us. Yeah.

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01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: I think I think that was it, and I think

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01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 1: you you correctly noted my difficulty restraining myself because the

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01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 1: people I grew up hunting and camping around that it's

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01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 1: just a mortal sin to camp right next to somebody

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01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,799
Speaker 1: if you can possibly help it. That's why we go hunting,

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01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 1: and that's why we don't stay it like you know,

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01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: the the campgrounds, and it's it's a big part of

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01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: the experience to to have some solitude and kind of

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01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 1: have a little space to yourself. And uh, I guess

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01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 1: not everyone abides by that ethos, and that was a

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01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 1: bit frustrating to me. But I've tried to be as

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01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 1: diplomatic as possible, and I think that is how it

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01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: came out that I was like, you know what, it's

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01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 1: it's completely your choice. I have no standing to prevent

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01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 1: you from being here. But I know I checked out

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01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 1: like three other different road endings right around here, and

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01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:28,639
Speaker 1: we just ended up liking this one better. But man,

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01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 1: if I had driven up on a bunch of tents

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01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 1: where all the lights off, we're off, and people were

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01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 1: clearly sleeping in the middle of the night, there's no

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01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: way I would There's no way I would go park

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01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 1: right next to them. You know, you're it's probably there's

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01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:50,600
Speaker 1: probably not another person within five miles of there, and

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01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: there's just endless blm roads through these stage flats. You

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01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 1: could go anywhere. Like if if anyone's taking anything away

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01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:03,560
Speaker 1: from this discussion is like social distancing space is important

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01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 1: in hunting, and and also just being respectful of other

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01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 1: hunters and the experiences that we're all trying to seek

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01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: by going into the woods, and this this applies to

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01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 1: trailhead etiquette, it also applies to back country etiquette because

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01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: I've had times where I'm hiking five miles into a

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01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 1: place to camp out for a few days and hunt elk,

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01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 1: and if I see that there's somebody else out there,

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01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm going to alter my plans based on

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01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 1: the experience I want to have, but also my desire

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01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 1: to not interfere with another person's experience. And I think

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01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 1: that's just something everybody should kind of try to be

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01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 1: cognizant of. And the space bubble varies by where you are.

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01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,679
Speaker 1: You know, if you're at the stalker Trout pond and

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01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 1: and there's ten feet away from the next person, that's fine.

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01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 1: But when you're hunting elk, there's a lot of people

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01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: in one area, it's usually not going well for anybody.

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01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: To those guys, did you've They didn't seem very happy

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01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 1: about it, but they did leave. Yeah. I think I

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01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 1: think we kept the situation very amicable. I expressed my

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01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 1: my frustration, but you know, admitted that I couldn't prevent

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01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: them and that I wasn't going to try to stop them.

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01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 1: But they were like, okay, yeah, yeah, sorry, guys, best

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01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:21,640
Speaker 1: best case scenario, right, I mean I was in like

1322
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 1: a fever dream. I kept waking up like like, I'm

1323
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: so sweaty from the Havanero jurky little I like, is

1324
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 1: it morning? I kept thinking why are the trucks going?

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01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 1: Are they leaving that I pissed them off that bad

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01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 1: at the time of an ero incident. And then I

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01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 1: like I would wake up and go like, why is

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01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: Sam yelling at miles about about where we're camped. Well,

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01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 1: we all agreed on this that I'd wake up and

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01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, now that I hear trucks leaving, uh,

1331
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:57,680
Speaker 1: because I have a choice to get out and look

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01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 1: to see if it was my my colleagues and friends

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01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 1: that left me, or maybe I just imagined trucks leaving.

1334
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 1: I'll just go back to sleep and deal with it

1335
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 1: when I wake up. I just hope, I hope they

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01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 1: left my bow in my pack if they did leave me. Um.

1337
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:14,600
Speaker 1: So that that was my recollection of being awake for

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01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: like five seconds at a time during the entire counter uh,

1339
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what the hell is going on

1340
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 1: outside the tent. But what's your credit? Man? That you

1341
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,639
Speaker 1: know that that that is what would be qualified as

1342
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 1: a dick move, even in even in even in the

1343
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 1: fact that they were nice enough to realize later on,

1344
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 1: you know, but it's just the idea that you wouldn't

1345
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 1: have enough awareness to pull to to to think we

1346
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 1: should maybe drive up this road until heads that are

1347
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:45,799
Speaker 1: around here. Yeah, and the other details like we took uh,

1348
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,679
Speaker 1: this is kind of like the terminus of the BLM

1349
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 1: road where we were camping. But if you would have

1350
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: taken that's only if you took a right, if you

1351
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 1: took a left. There was a road that when we

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01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 1: actually went up at looking for a place to camp

1353
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 1: and decided not to, but there was a road that

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01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 1: you could have taken on the same basically ridgeh we

1355
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: were on to get you up above us, maybe even

1356
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 1: in a better spot to start off hunting elk. So

1357
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 1: I don't We never saw those guys again, but um,

1358
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: it turned out well, but it was definitely a story

1359
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 1: to tell from that. Yeah, all's well, that ends well,

1360
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,679
Speaker 1: but it's uh, you know, it's always important to remember

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01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 1: if you're going to public land that there it's more

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01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 1: more than likely somebody else is going to be there,

1363
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: and you just need to learn how to adapt and

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01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 1: if they had decided to camp there, we would have

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01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 1: adapted to their their presence. And you just can't, you know,

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01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 1: always have a perfect picture in your mind of how

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01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 1: things are going to go, because you don't know how

1368
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 1: many other dudes have that perfect picture in their mind

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01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 1: of going to that perfect elk meadow, and so just

1370
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 1: adapt adapt. We would have got up in the morning

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01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 1: and given him a nice piece offering like, hey, you guys,

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01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:57,839
Speaker 1: we got some leftover turkey. Can we share it with you? Yeah,

1373
01:14:58,160 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna want some of this. We even put some

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01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 1: do delicious. It's delicious. Well that's a good place ended. Boys.

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01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: Thanks for spending the Sunday with me um and wrastling

1376
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 1: with squadcast to get this going. Uh. I appreciate all

1377
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 1: of it, both kind of the discussion of the realities

1378
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 1: were in and the distraction from the realities telling stories

1379
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 1: about hot turkeys and and uh cold hunting. So I

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01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 1: hope we can go back there again. There were a

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01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 1: lot of elk there. That's why we're not gonna tell

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01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:30,560
Speaker 1: anybody where exactly we will. We will be back in

1383
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: And I miss for the record, I miss bose your faces.

1384
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 1: When we can get off of this quarantine soon and

1385
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 1: I'll be in the same room again. I'm looking forward

1386
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: to that. I am. Uh. I just hit purchase on

1387
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 1: all my tags and applications for Montana. You did look

1388
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 1: at us um just a few days before the deadline.

1389
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 1: Um got all that done. I always gotta think about

1390
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: I always have to think about it for quite a while,

1391
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 1: like right now what I want to do? And then

1392
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: but is that what I want to do? It's It's

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01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: very stressful and I'm never very certain. I went with

1394
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 1: the shotgun approach. I just got everything possible, uh that

1395
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 1: I could get every every super chance, every supertag chance,

1396
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 1: every point, every double point preference point I went for.

1397
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 1: So I did that too. I'm just saying, like, selecting

1398
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 1: what unit I want to have elk Is is excruciating

1399
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 1: for me. That is true. Um, So I'm I'm excited

1400
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 1: about that. I'm playing in a bunch of hunts and

1401
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 1: trips for this whenever this is over, and uh, I

1402
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 1: know you boys will be along, so look forward to it.

1403
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 1: Damn right. I'm looking forward to it too. Thanks guys,

1404
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 1: see you later, see you. Thanks Ben. That's it. That's

1405
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 1: all another episode in the books. Thank you, dear Philip

1406
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 1: for joining me once again. Yes, thanks for having me.

1407
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 1: I've I've felt some sarcasm. There you are, you're feeling

1408
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:10,680
Speaker 1: feeling uh annoyed. No, I'm not at all annoyed. It's just,

1409
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 1: you know, it's we've been doing this every every day

1410
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 1: for the past two weeks and um, and it's not

1411
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 1: I'm not getting worn down, but it's sort of like

1412
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 1: thanks for joining me, and it's like, well, what what

1413
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 1: else am I? What else am I doing? Of course

1414
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 1: I'm here. I got nowhere else to be or right

1415
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 1: be there? All right, that's understandable. Well, thanks to Miles

1416
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 1: an Alte, Sam Longer and for joining us. We trudge

1417
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 1: forward on on the Quarantine Cast. We will not be deterred.

1418
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 1: We will continue bringing you UH podcast hopefully entertaining ones

1419
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 1: until the end of the week, and then we'll get

1420
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 1: back to our regularly scheduled program. But tomorrow is a

1421
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:48,520
Speaker 1: big day, Phil, Tomorrow is a big day. We're gonna

1422
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 1: take a look at the winners. Well, we're gonna pick

1423
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: the winner, take a look at the entries for the

1424
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 1: Great Hand Turkey Contest of so stick around for that.

1425
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 1: We didn't exactly make it to a thousand but I'm

1426
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 1: not sad because we've got hundreds of really good ones

1427
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 1: um and maybe next time, maybe the the idea will

1428
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 1: be compelling enough to get us to a thousand. So

1429
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 1: I don't take it as a loss. I think it

1430
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:14,719
Speaker 1: as still a victory. And we got some kick ass

1431
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:18,679
Speaker 1: hand turkeys. The ones, the ones that we were touting

1432
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 1: early on in the process as as leaders in the clubhouse,

1433
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 1: have been challenged by some late great entries. So come

1434
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 1: back tomorrow and Phil and I are going to discuss

1435
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 1: probably the top five hand turkeys and pick our favorite.

1436
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: So get ready for that. And if you are hearing

1437
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 1: this right now, you have roughly a single day to

1438
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:39,720
Speaker 1: get those entries to me at th C at the

1439
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 1: meat Eator dot com so we can take a look

1440
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:45,600
Speaker 1: at them and decide whether they're winners or not in

1441
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 1: the Great Hand Turkey Contest of And So I guess

1442
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 1: we'll see you tomorrow. Episode number twelve of The Quarantine

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01:18:54,560 --> 01:19:00,919
Speaker 1: cast Tuesday by the Hunting collect it with Ben O'Brien

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01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 1: as a part of the Meat Eater podcast network. It

1445
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 1: is produced by Kringe Schneider and engineered by Phil Taylor.

1446
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 1: You can find it on iTunes, Stitcher, Spotify, The meat

1447
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 1: eater dot com, or anywhere Podcasts are downloadable wherever you listen,

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