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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast. The had to have high high

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Speaker 1: for the Bengals this season and beyond. Plus, it's week

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Speaker 1: three of voluntary spring practices, and I'll talk to Dave

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Speaker 1: since Chloe Kovaleski. The US Women's Open Golf Championship took

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Speaker 1: There's a story on NFL dot com today with a

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Speaker 1: following headline nine NFL Bandwagons to hop on in twenty

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Speaker 1: is hopping on the Joe Burrow bandwagon out the following

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Speaker 1: It looks like he'll be ready for Week one and

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Speaker 1: I can't wait. This cat has it. He's what you

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Speaker 1: a superstar. Adam Shine, as you probably know, is a

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Speaker 1: very entertaining national sports talk show host, and he was

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Speaker 1: All Right, people seem to think that I'm busy, but

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Speaker 1: it's nothing in comparison to my next guest. He is

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Speaker 1: the host of Shine on Sports Weekdays nine to noon

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Speaker 1: on Sirius XM Radio. You can watch him weeknights at

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Speaker 1: six o'clock on CBS Sports That. He is a columnist

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Speaker 1: for NFL dot Com. He has a podcast. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about my guy, proud Syracuse University graduate Adam Shine. Hi

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Speaker 1: doing buddy, Oh Dan, I'm excellent and it's great to

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Speaker 1: be with you, my friend Hope Ball as well with you.

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Speaker 1: Things are great here. And I want to start with

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Speaker 1: something that you wrote a couple of weeks ago on

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Speaker 1: NFL dot Com. You made nine bold predictions. One of

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Speaker 1: them involved the Tennessee Titans winning eleven games with Julio Jones,

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Speaker 1: So you nailed that way before it actually went down,

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Speaker 1: So your credibility is looking good. And you also made

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Speaker 1: We obviously love that here in Cincinnati, but Pittsburgh won

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Speaker 1: eight more games than the Bengals did last year. Explain

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Speaker 1: your reasoning, Well, it was for a variety of reasons.

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Speaker 1: Number one, and I know how difficult it is to

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Speaker 1: And I think Ben Roethlisberger is the first ballot Hall

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Speaker 1: more than in his opinion. And you know, I thought

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Speaker 1: back to something Phil Simms told me years ago. You

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Speaker 1: You want your point guards, you want your center, you

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Speaker 1: He has definitely added some swag to this franchise, There's

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Speaker 1: these quarterbacks going head to head, they're both gonna take it. Personally,

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Speaker 1: what's caught your ear? They love them, They both do that.

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Speaker 1: And I work with Boomer on on CBS on Sundays

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Speaker 1: a really good communicator. I think he's a heck of

428
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: a leader, very intelligent, and just a solid human being.

429
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's one of those guys that you know,

430
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 1: is a rarity in terms of as great a football

431
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: player as he is, he's even a better human being.

432
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Speaker 1: And once you start to get your share of those

433
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: kind of guys in your locker room, you're gonna have

434
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Speaker 1: really something special. And I think they're moving in that direction.

435
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: We got a little treat when he walked out to

436
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Speaker 1: practice today. Rehab coordinator Nick Cosgray was holding his drills

437
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: right in front of the little area where the media

438
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 1: is allowed to stand, so we got to see the

439
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,959
Speaker 1: status of DJ Reader, Renelle Wren, and Trey Hopkins right

440
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: there in front of us as they were doing footwork, drills,

441
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: pushing a sled, etc. How did those three guys look.

442
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: I think they looked really good. Renelle Wren is a

443
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 1: physical specimen anyway. That guy's a freaka zoid. I mean

444
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: he's he's unbelieable to look at just a good lord

445
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: blessed him with a football body man in every sense

446
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: of the word. But I think, you know, when you're

447
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: being very critical with your eye, you can still see

448
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,959
Speaker 1: a slight hitching to get along. But they're moving at

449
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 1: a very very good clip. You know. It's it's not

450
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: half speed. They're they're they're testing it. Um, they're change

451
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: in direction. Uh, there's hesitation in what they're doing, and

452
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Speaker 1: then acceleration off the hesitation. So there's not a whole

453
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 1: lot of violent cutting going on yet. But it's all

454
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Speaker 1: straight ahead stuff. But it's not straight ahead. Same type

455
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 1: of speed, same type of gate, same type of steps.

456
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: There's there's some jumps to ups, you know, jumping and

457
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: landing and holding freezing that and then accelerating off of it.

458
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: It was interesting to watch them and then hit the sled,

459
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, pushing the sled, not really hitting it, just

460
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 1: driving a sled and then getting their body their back

461
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: angle straight and their bodies low, bending at the knees

462
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: and not at the waist, you know, to get in

463
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: a football position while they're doing it. Um and Nick.

464
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: Nick's as good as there is in the league, and

465
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: every player for the Cincinnati Bengals that's rehabbed with Nick

466
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 1: Cosgrey has nothing but great things to stay about him,

467
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: and rightfully so he does. He does an outstanding job,

468
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: and he's brought a lot of guys back way ahead

469
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 1: of schedule, and um put guys in situations where if

470
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Speaker 1: they did have any inclination of oh man, is this

471
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Speaker 1: the end? Far from it. Nick's gonna bring me back,

472
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Speaker 1: and he's gonna be bringing me back as strong as

473
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Speaker 1: stronger than I was before Trey Hopkins tore his ACL

474
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Speaker 1: in the final game of the year against Baltimore. I

475
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: would have said at that point, Okay, he'll be back

476
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Speaker 1: during the season, but I don't know if he'll be

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Speaker 1: back in time for Week one, and I can't say

478
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: that anymore. Based on how he looks. I think there's

479
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: at least a chance that he's able to answer the

480
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: bell in week one. I don't think it's out of

481
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Speaker 1: the question. I'd be I'd be shocked if there if

482
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: anybody has said, you know what, now, that's that's not happening.

483
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: I think that if he doesn't come back week one,

484
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: it's certainly not going to be it's going to be

485
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Speaker 1: shortly thereafter before when he does return, and uh, and

486
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 1: that'll be a site for sore eyes, and I think

487
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: for for Frank Pollock. And you know that there's returning

488
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: and then there's being able ready and able to play

489
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Speaker 1: in an NFL game for you know, X number of snaps.

490
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 1: So um, you know, he'd have to be able to

491
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Speaker 1: a training camp. I'm not saying play in preseason games,

492
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: although you'd almost like to test it in a preseason game,

493
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Speaker 1: particularly if you're alignment before you go out there in

494
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: that first regular season game. So it might you know

495
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: that that might be the sticking point. What can he do?

496
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: How far can he push it in training camp? But

497
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't rule anything out looking at him out there today,

498
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: and I did have a chance to just say, hey,

499
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: trade man, you look good. How's it feeling goes great,

500
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: It feels really good, man. So you know, talking about

501
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: it's one thing, you know, lacing up the pads and

502
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 1: the pleats and getting out there and going against these

503
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: behemoths and doing what you need to do to play

504
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: in the National Football leagues another. But again I agree

505
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: with you, Dan, I would not rule it out all right.

506
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 1: I aimed the lap signal into the Cincinnati Sky this week.

507
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: That means we've got some asked lap questions. Are you

508
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: ready ready to roll star? There are always questions about

509
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: the offensive line. This one comes from Will in the

510
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 1: current NFL landscape, which approach works best, zone blocking or

511
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: straight up power blocking, and if it depends on personnel,

512
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: which suits the Bengals current roster best. Well. The Bengals

513
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: went from a zone blocking team to a gap blocking

514
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: team where you block down and pull lineman and run

515
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: powers and pull offside lineman and that sort of thing

516
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: last year, and that's when Joe Mixon started to really

517
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: show some gains in terms of his UH yards rushing yards.

518
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: But Joe Joe feels good about Frank Pollock's system, and

519
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: Frank Pollock's system is a is a zone blocking team,

520
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: a wide stretch zone blocking team. But that's not to

521
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: say that you don't incorporate some angle blocking. I think

522
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: the best run games in the National Football League incorporate

523
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of you know, some of each. And

524
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's fifty fifth or anything like that,

525
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: But if you're having trouble, if a defensive configuration or

526
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: personnel grouping or whatever it is is causing you problems.

527
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: You have to have the flexibility in the in the

528
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: ability to to try something else. And so I think that, uh,

529
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: I think there's a there's a place for all of it.

530
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: But I do think Frank's primary run blocking or run

531
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: game philosophy is zone stretch, zone type things. Really getting

532
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: a defensive line to have to run and then cutting

533
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: somebody in half. That's that's the key to the success

534
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: in the in the zone scheme or the stretch scheme,

535
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: as you get the defense flowing and somebody gets somebody

536
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: on the ground and that's a natural cutback lane. You

537
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: can't make plays when you're on the ground. It's it's impossible.

538
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: So that's the big deal. Either you get somebody walled

539
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,239
Speaker 1: off on the backside for a cutback lane, or if

540
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: they're on the ground, the back has to see it

541
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: and hit it. And Joe Joe's done a really good

542
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: job of doing that. When Frank was here as the

543
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: line coach, it wasn't working real well in Zach Taylor's

544
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: initial stages of running games, so they went to the gap, blockdown, power,

545
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: pull the off side, get more helmets at the front

546
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: side of the play, try to outnumber them helmet wise

547
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: and try to create gaps that way. Kyle has this

548
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: offensive line question. How much of an upgrade have the

549
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: Bengals made in their offensive line personnel and how much

550
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: of an impact will Frank Pollack have as the coach? Yeah,

551
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: I think at Frank's all about you know, technique and

552
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: uh fundamentals and hammering them over and over and over again.

553
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: I think he's going to have a major impact. I'll

554
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: just go back to nineteen eighty one when Jim McNally,

555
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: you know, was our line coach with the Cincinnati Bengals,

556
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: and Jim was, you know, in the early stages of

557
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: his career as a line coach then, but one thing

558
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: that we did from the very first day of training

559
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: camp to the very last practice before the Super Bowl,

560
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: we did the exact same drills every single Wednesday, every

561
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: single Thursday, everything single Friday. You can set you could

562
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: set your clock to it that this is what we're

563
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: gonna do. We're gonna you know, warm up at the

564
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: duck walk. Make sure that you know we were doing

565
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: it the way he wanted and having our having our

566
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Speaker 1: feet in the proper way and and having your knees

567
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: bent and duck walking and and and then you'd have

568
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: targets that you had to hit on pads, you'd have

569
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: hand placement drills, you'd have all all these drills, and

570
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: it was like every single day was the same. So

571
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: you become a creature habit, and uh, it becomes something

572
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: you don't even have to think about the technique. It's

573
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: you've done it so many times you get in the game,

574
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: you've wrapped it so many times. In practice, it just happens.

575
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's automatic. And then when you're working in

576
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: tandem with a with a you know alignment that you've

577
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: done it with over and over and over again every

578
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: single day in practice. The old repetition breeds comfort level

579
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: thing I think is real. I think Frank believes in

580
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: that can. It worked for Jim McNally, and I know

581
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: Frank Pollock is a disciple of Jim McNally, and uh,

582
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: watching watching his drills. All starts with your feet and

583
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: ends with your hands, and it always will. We've talked

584
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: about almost every athletic endeavor starts with the feet ends

585
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: with your hands. Blocking and tackling the same thing. And

586
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: you can't tackle as an offensive linement, but you damn

587
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: well better be able to do some blocking and uh

588
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: and and I think Frank's going to do really good

589
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: things with this, with this group of offensive linement. I

590
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: think I think they're gonna The thing you have to

591
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: do is believe in it because it's it's mundane. And

592
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: Frank has a great saying master the mundane, because it's

593
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: sometimes it's like, oh man, we gotta do this again.

594
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: You knew exactly you'd walk out on the field, and

595
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,239
Speaker 1: you knew exactly what the next forty five minutes we're

596
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: going to be every single step of it, every single movement.

597
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: But it worked. It worked, and that repetition led to

598
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: a great performance for sure. One more offensive line question,

599
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: it comes from Johnny. What are the chances that Billy

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00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: Price keeps the starting center spot, assuming that he does

601
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: begin the year as the starter. Yeah, I mean, that's

602
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: that's a great question. That's up to Billy. Billy's in

603
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: control of his own destiny as far as that's concerned.

604
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: Trey Hopkins get an opportunity because of injury to Billy Price.

605
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: Now Billy Price gets another opportunity because of an injury

606
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,479
Speaker 1: to Trey Hopkins. And that's that's life in the National

607
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: Football league. That's why when you're alignmenting, you do get injured,

608
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: you try to get back in there as quick as

609
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: you possibly can because you don't want anybody else getting

610
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: your reps. But yeah, Billy, obviously, Frank Pollock had confidence.

611
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: He was on the staff that drafted Billy Price, so

612
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: he saw something in Billy Price in his tape up

613
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: at Ohio State, and you know, respected him and respected

614
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: respected his play. He was drafted high in the Cincinnati Bengals,

615
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: a first round draft pick. So I think I think

616
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: Billy feels good about Frank. Frank feels good about Billy.

617
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: And it's a clean slate, and that's one thing that

618
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: every lineman has to understand. It's a totally clean set slate. Now,

619
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: Frank Pollock is the guy. He's the new sheriff in town.

620
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what you did with Jimmy Turner, it

621
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: doesn't matter Hill of Beans. You're starting. Everybody's starting fresh

622
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: and new with Frank Pollock. And that's why I think

623
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: Trey Hopkins, in his mind, he wants to get back

624
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: as quick as he possibly can too, because he wants

625
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: to make an impression, a positive impression on Frank Pollock

626
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: and right now. He's missing all of these reps we're

627
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: talking about. You know, you can't take them mentally. It's

628
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: like it's a muscle memory thing. You have to go,

629
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: you have to go through it, and your body just

630
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 1: has to get used to it, and then it becomes

631
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: something where you don't even need your mind. It's just

632
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: it's total muscle memory. Here's a question from man, what

633
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: player or position group has surprised you during these OTAs.

634
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: I'm not really surprised by, you know, by any any group.

635
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: I mean I'm thinking that, you know, groups are living

636
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: up to billing. I think as such. I think overall

637
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: this football team is so much younger and so much

638
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: more athletic. It's ridiculous. In my opinion. It's just about

639
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: every position group. The linebacker corps is one that just

640
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: jumps out. I mean, they drafted three young linebackers last

641
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 1: year that they're counting on a lot as second year players,

642
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: and that's where you normally make some major strides. I

643
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: think the secondary is light years better than where it

644
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: was today and today's OTA for the first time in

645
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: the halfway point, so they didn't even do seven on

646
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: seven until halfway through OTAs. This was the introduction of

647
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: seven on seven, the old skeleton drill as such, everybody's

648
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: working except the offensive and defensive lines. And it was

649
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: very interesting to see this, you know, wide receiver corps

650
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: that they like a lot um, you know, Tyler Boyd,

651
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: T Higgins and Chase you know, working against these new

652
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: guys in the back end in the secondary and there

653
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 1: was no pass rush. But I thought that everybody belonged,

654
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: you know, I was looking at the far end of

655
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: the field where those guys were working against each other's like, yeah,

656
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: I mean, all these guys belong out here, and it's

657
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: it's pretty competitive. It was that that seven on seven

658
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: then only lasted ten or fifteen minutes, was the most

659
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: competitive aspect of OTAs that I've seen, you know, in

660
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: the first week and a half here. So I think

661
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: at some point, probably during mandatory minicamp next week, they

662
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: probably will do eleven on eleven. They'll probab we run

663
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: some team um team plays. But they're they're ramping it up,

664
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: and they're they're staying very very careful and cautious and

665
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: elementary to be sure. But I think the message that

666
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm getting is just about every position group is as advertised.

667
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: You know it's they've they've made additions, and they felt

668
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: good about the additions they've made, and like it's now

669
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: you've you've got your presence. Now you've had a chance

670
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: to unwrap them and assemble them, get them out on

671
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 1: the field, and as billed as advertising, didn't waste my money.

672
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: Here's a question from Rob. The Bengals have clearly improved

673
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: the secondary, but have they done enough to stop the

674
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: run better this year? That's the that's the they have

675
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: to have. That's the big key. Um. You know, over

676
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: the last two years, they've given up more ground yards

677
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: than anybody in the National Football League, and uh, you

678
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: know that that has to stop. You you earn the

679
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: right to stop the pass by, you have to be

680
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: able to stop the run first and foremost. I mean,

681
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: if you if you're going to get gashed on a

682
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: regular basis in the running game. Every successful defense that

683
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: I've seen and it's looking like they're, you know, trying

684
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: to build this one this way. You have to have

685
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: your big run stuffers inside, and they can't. They don't

686
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: necessarily have to be big blobs that are stiffs. They've

687
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: got big guys that have same athleticism and ability to

688
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: stay on their feet and good feet and able to move.

689
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: So you're you're big on the inside the stuff to

690
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: run on the edge. You want speed off the edge,

691
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 1: you know, to rush the pass or and be able

692
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: to set the edge in the running game. Some athleticism there,

693
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: and they've really you know, emphasized that both in the

694
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: draft and people that they signed in free agency. And

695
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: then you know, again, once you've got that front seven

696
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: built to where okay, now, inside linebacker, okay, we've got

697
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 1: youth and athleticism like we talked about at the inside

698
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: linebacker position that they drafted, and they've you know, resurrected

699
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 1: or reconstructed the secondary in the form of free agent

700
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: see over the last two offseasons. So they're they're trying

701
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: to build I think a defense the right way, but

702
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: it has to start with a couple of run pluggers

703
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: inside and uh, you know, I think I'm inter see

704
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: how two poll he looks like he's got himself in

705
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: pretty good shape. Will DJ Reader come back from injury

706
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: the way you know, everybody hopes that he will, Ogan Joby,

707
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: Will he be a guy that will help, you know,

708
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: stuff that inside running game they've addressed it, but that

709
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: that's the key if they, If they, if you can

710
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: own a team between the tackles and just line up

711
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: and say, you know, I'm going to impose my will

712
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: on you. I'm not going to do anything fancy. I'm

713
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: just gonna smack you right in the mouth and I'm

714
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: gonna have my big running back, you know, uh, just

715
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: destroy you. That. That's a that's a great feeling. When

716
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: you're up front as an offensive lineman, that's a very

717
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: very bad feeling. And if you're on the other side

718
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: of things defensively, so you know, I hope the Bengals

719
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: find themselves in that mode. The offensive line comes to

720
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and like, yeah, we're gonna give

721
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: you a doso Joe Mixon. When you think you've had enough,

722
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: We're given you another spoonful and you're gonna like it,

723
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: you know. I mean that. I hope they run the

724
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: hell out of Joe Mixon like that. And I think

725
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure Joe does too. Here's a question I love

726
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: it comes from Bengals John. Who is the best player

727
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: you have seen at each level, high school, college and

728
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: pro Oh, my goodness, so many. I mean so many

729
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 1: great players high school. I'll probably have to go back

730
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: to this guy running back in my high school. I

731
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: wasn't play I did not play with him. He was

732
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 1: like probably my first I don't know about sports idol,

733
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: but sports player that I was like, Wow, Mike Martello.

734
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: He was a running back at Wakefield High School. And

735
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: I just remember, you know, like as a sixth seventh

736
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: eighth grade a going to Wakefield High School football games

737
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: and Mike Martello, who's in our high school Hall of Fame,

738
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: just destroying people. And I thought, man, Mike Martello, if

739
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: I could just be like Mike Martello, you know. And

740
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, one day I answered the doorbell

741
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: rings in our front door, and I answered the front

742
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: door and it's Mike Martello standing on our front porch

743
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: selling some kind of ticket, raffle ticket or whatever, some

744
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,439
Speaker 1: high school fundraiser. And I couldn't even talk. My mother

745
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: comes to the front door and I said, buy a

746
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: bunch of mom. You know, that's Mike Martello. But he

747
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: was the first guy that I can remember Thanksgiving Day

748
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: games against Melrose High School, our big rival. I just

749
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: remember him just putting his foot in the ground and

750
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: making these unbelievable cuts. He was a low center of gravity, tough,

751
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, tough Italian kid that just you know, you

752
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 1: could give him the ball a hundred times, it seemed

753
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: like in a game and he was going to give

754
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: you everything he had. So he probably made made the

755
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: first impression on me as a as a high school player.

756
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: But I mean I did see a bunch of really

757
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: talented high school football players in the league that I

758
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: played in up in the Boston area and then in

759
00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: high school. Man, just so many guys. But to pick

760
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: to pick one guy, that's, uh, that's so hard. But

761
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, a guy that that I really had

762
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: a ton of respect for Joe Orman, And we talked

763
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: about a little earlier. It was an All American defensive

764
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: tackle at Syracuse, and I was a freshman, uh at Syracuse,

765
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: and we couldn't play freshman a varsity as freshman. We

766
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: had a freshman schedule, and so the freshman was still

767
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: you know, the lowly freshman football players. But Joe Orman,

768
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: the first time I scrimmaged against the varsity, you know,

769
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: I guess I showed him enough where he just said

770
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: to me, uh yeah, let's stay out after practice. I

771
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: want to work with you, you know. I think you've

772
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: got some uh some potential, you know, and you want

773
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: to work I'm like, yeah, I'll work with you, you know.

774
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: And and he, uh he rubbed my nose in it,

775
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: and you know, the first few practices after practice. I mean,

776
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: he was just he was a great player, and um,

777
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: you know he I think he really helped me improved

778
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: from freshman to season to where as a sophomore I

779
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: ended up getting a starting job as a sophomore lineman

780
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: and I think Joe Orman helped me big time in

781
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: that regard. So he was a tremendous football player. I'll

782
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 1: never forget well. Sitting in the stands as freshman football player,

783
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 1: were playing Kansas, and there was this unbelievable goal line stand,

784
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: and the last player of the goal line stand, John Riggins,

785
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: the big fullback to play with the Jets, great running back.

786
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: He is carrying it on fourth down and he and

787
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: Joe worm and hit helmet the helmet and it was

788
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: the loudest crack I've ever heard in my life in

789
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: the middle of his Riddell helmet. Joe's helmet crack right

790
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: from his mask, halfway up his helmet and Joe just

791
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: you know, walks off the field, tosses the helmet to

792
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: equipment guy. They take it was fourth down, we have

793
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: a big goal line stand. Joe just you know, they

794
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: changed the face mask, how to take all They got

795
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: the drill and they're taking the screws out in their

796
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: frantical putting the faceback. He puts the helmet on with

797
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: the new face mask and goes out the next defensive

798
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: series and just dominates some more. I'm like, that's a

799
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: football player right there. And and uh he and John

800
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: Riggins there was I watched the two of them after

801
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: the game. They met at midfield and talked and I'm

802
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: sure they were talking about that that play. And so

803
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: I guess Joe probably comes to mind for me, you know,

804
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: as as a college player that maybe really strong player

805
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: that had a big influence on me. And I'd say

806
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 1: in the National Football League, man, there's so many unbelievable players.

807
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: But the guy that I just had so much respect

808
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: for his game and the way he played his game

809
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: was Walter Payton. And I get to meet him at

810
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: a wrist wrestling thing out in Las Vegas, and I

811
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: was just so impressed by the dude, and how strong

812
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 1: he was. And I'll never forget he put down Curly

813
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: Culp in a wrist wrestling thing. I was my jaw hit,

814
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: my hit, my kneecaps probably one hundred and thirty pounds lighter,

815
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and just so explosive. And you got him

816
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: on the jump and I'm like, you better run walk

817
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: because I mean Curly Culp started swelling up and everything.

818
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: But then Walter Peyton one of the days we were

819
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: doing the wrist wrestling stuff, you know, we get done

820
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: with what we're doing, and he jumps on his hands

821
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: and he walks around the whole room on his hands,

822
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, Mike, this is unbelievable. So

823
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: the strength that that took, the balance, the gymnastic ability,

824
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: and that the thing about him is he was he

825
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: did everything. I mean, oh, his Splitz pick up, He'd

826
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 1: embarrassed linebackers, he just wouldn't block him. So I think

827
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: I think I just had a a such an enormous

828
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: respect for how hard he played the game, how much

829
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: the game meant to him. Knowing the kind of human

830
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: being he wasn't all that, I'd have to say, sweetness

831
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: was was pretty special and died way too young man.

832
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: Only the good die young and not good. It might

833
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: have been the greatest. And that one that one hit

834
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: me when Walter Payton died, that one hit me hard.

835
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: Excellent question, excellent answers. All right, we try to end

836
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: ask Lap with a couple of wild card questions whenever possible.

837
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: We've got two good ones this week. The first one

838
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: comes from Casey. Casey asks could be could be Casey

839
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: in the Sunshine Band. Here's the question, what is your

840
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: favorite breakfast meal? And if you say yogurt and half

841
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: a grapefruit, I will call BS. Don't worry about that

842
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: no way, Jose. I'm I'm a I'm a guy that

843
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: likes his pancakes and waffles. I'm that kind of breakfast guy,

844
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: and I have to stay away from it. If I

845
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: ate what I wanted for breakfast that way all the time,

846
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: I'd be in real trouble. But I really, uh, you know,

847
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: a really good waffle, really good pancake. Of course, you know,

848
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,959
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw some bacon and sausage in there as well.

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Speaker 1: But I used to like to go to the eyehop,

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Speaker 1: you know, with all the flavored syrups and just try

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Speaker 1: like a little little dollup of each. And I wasn't

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Speaker 1: big on trying. I don't know. If I didn't like

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Speaker 1: it ruining my whole breakfast, I'd ended up going back

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Speaker 1: to the old stand by maple syrup. I mean really

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Speaker 1: good maple syrup, the natural maple syrup out of Vermont.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm boysenberry blueberry. You know. I'd try a

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Speaker 1: few of those things, strawberry, maple syrup, whatever, But I

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Speaker 1: really liked m I guess it's because when we were young,

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Speaker 1: it didn't have a ton of money. But my dad

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Speaker 1: on Mother's Day would take the family out to I

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Speaker 1: hop and it was a Mother's Day breakfast. So that

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Speaker 1: was a big deal because when you know, mother didn't

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Speaker 1: have to cook and all that. And I remember how

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Speaker 1: how big it was, almost like our big is getting

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Speaker 1: up there with Christmas and you know, Thanksgiving and all

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Speaker 1: those kinds of things. Because it was a special thing.

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Speaker 1: We never went out to eat. And when we went

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Speaker 1: as a family piled up in the car and went

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Speaker 1: to I hop Man, there was some pancakes and waffles

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Speaker 1: and syrup. There there was some consumed because I got

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Speaker 1: I got two brothers, who was about as big as

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Speaker 1: eater as me and man. We I think the servers thatt,

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Speaker 1: I hop were like man because it was all you

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Speaker 1: could eat. We busted, We busted their bank man. When

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Speaker 1: they saw us coming, they put up the white flag.

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Speaker 1: They started waving that white surrender flag. Closed nine Mother's Day.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Mother's Day, breakfast off limits to lap them's.

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Speaker 1: It's funny the things you remember. I'm the fourth of

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Speaker 1: five kids, middle class family. We didn't have a ton

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Speaker 1: of money. Every now and again, my stepfather would bring

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Speaker 1: a bucket of Kentucky fried chicken home. I thought that

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00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: that was the greatest thing on God's green earth. I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you, it's the simple things, you know. I mean,

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00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 1: that's when life's the best. You appreciate the simple thing

885
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Speaker 1: so so much. And yeah, I remember just when we

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Speaker 1: would get roast beef, an actual roast beef for dinner.

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Speaker 1: It'd be like maybe once a month, but it was

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Speaker 1: like it was like heaven, man, just seeing that roast

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Speaker 1: beef and carden and thinking, yeah, I'm gonna have a

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Speaker 1: meal this day. Boy, this is high cotton. We never

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Speaker 1: had steak, I mean, growing up, we never really I mean,

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Speaker 1: I remember going on recruiting trips and coaches like you

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Speaker 1: want to steak dinner? Oh heck, yeah, let's do that. Man.

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Speaker 1: That's a big time all right. Final question comes from

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Speaker 1: Tom McDowell. We met Tom at the Admiralty in London

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Speaker 1: when the Bengals have played overseas. Here's his question, what's

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00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: the biggest animal you think you could wrestle? Now? Probably

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Speaker 1: a tomcat? But I did, uh. I think I've told

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Speaker 1: this story. I'm not sure on the podcast, but I

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Speaker 1: saw jim Leclair uh Russell Victor the wrestling Bear, and

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Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, I might be able to like, you know,

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Speaker 1: muscle with Victor a little bit. But Jimmy, Jimmy McClair

903
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: was like a heavyweight wrestling champion at North Dakota State. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean he was he was shooting the leg and

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Speaker 1: he was doing some things with Victor. Victor wasn't sure

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Speaker 1: what was happening, but um, that was that was impressive

907
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: to watch that big old bear swat people around. They

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Speaker 1: had a big swimming pool set up. It was like

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00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: a you know, a line and garden show or a

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00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: camp or show or whatever, and they had a big

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00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: swimming pool and Victor would backhand people into the swimming pool. Um.

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Speaker 1: But I guess, I guess uh. If I could have

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Speaker 1: hung with Victor for a little while, I would have

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Speaker 1: been would have been pretty happy about that. I think

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Speaker 1: you wrestled an animal named crum Rye before your NFL

916
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Speaker 1: career was finished. I'm telling you, Tim crum Rye, that's

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Speaker 1: I mean. You start thinking about great football players. That guy,

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Speaker 1: I mean, all football all the time. He had scar

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Speaker 1: tissue on the bridge of his nose that looked like

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Speaker 1: cottage cheese. I mean, he had just that helmet came

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Speaker 1: down on the bridge of his nose so many times

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Speaker 1: during his football career that it had built up scar

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Speaker 1: tissue that was incredible. And it just you know it

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Speaker 1: was football season when Tim would always have a bandage

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Speaker 1: on that thing and it would always be weeping blood,

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Speaker 1: you know, on and off the field the entire season,

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Speaker 1: and you knew it was football season for Tim crum Rye.

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Speaker 1: Another great addition I've asked lap keep those questions coming.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate the time. Thank you, my pleasure, Dan the man,

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Speaker 1: You're the best. This is week three of the voluntary

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Speaker 1: spring practices for the Bengals. Next week, the hold of

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Speaker 1: mandatory minicamp on Tuesday, Wednesday Thursday, and then the players

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Speaker 1: will be off until the start of training camp. That's

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Speaker 1: going to do it for this episode of the Bengals

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