Speaker 1: Hi, Joel, how are you. I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm good. I had to make it all the way
Speaker 1: here from the seventies when I made it. Where are
Speaker 1: you right now? I'm in Santa Fe. And where's dom
Speaker 1: I don't know where Domma is there? Oh, Dona is
Speaker 1: in your London right? Being international people I know? And
Speaker 1: where are you? I'm in Toronto right now? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Three countries right, It's crazy, it's beautiful. How are you? Guys? Guys?
Speaker 1: We made this work. We did. I'm glad that our
Speaker 1: third choice could make it because our first two choices
Speaker 1: obviously were busy. And then you know what, I kept
Speaker 1: I kept delaying this, but I really had no work obligations.
Speaker 1: I was just like, now we're just creating the I
Speaker 1: was like, diego, I'm on set, I'm busy, And the
Speaker 1: whole time I was just at home at home doing nothing.
Speaker 1: Netflix the entire time. That's funny. Basically what this podcast
Speaker 1: is we just Netflix and and talk about. UM, it's
Speaker 1: nice to talk to you guys, man, this is nice.
Speaker 1: I'm actually shocked that we made it work because for
Speaker 1: a while I was like, this is pointless. We were determined,
Speaker 1: we weren't going to let this go back. Okay, I
Speaker 1: like it. I like it. Okay, full disclosure. I fucked up?
Speaker 1: Oh wait wait can can I swear? What is? What
Speaker 1: are the ground rules here, guys? Cat and I have
Speaker 1: produces so you can do whatever you want basically like
Speaker 1: and also if we don't like anything you say, we're
Speaker 1: just going to cut it out. So it's not a
Speaker 1: big deal. And how come I can't see your face? Dom?
Speaker 1: Did you get what happened? I can see Cat? Why
Speaker 1: can't I see it? Oh? Are you? I'm just wondering, like,
Speaker 1: have you been horribly disfigured? Have you gained? And there
Speaker 1: you are? You beautiful man? Stop. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: do the video, okay, so full disclosure. I woke up
Speaker 1: at six am because I screwed up Pacific time SEM
Speaker 1: and then I tried to log in and I was like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I got this backwards, So yeah, that's it,
Speaker 1: that's mine. It happens. It happened. Actually have a watch
Speaker 1: upstairs that has the World time on it because I'm
Speaker 1: constantly messing up my girlfriends in California, and I'm constantly
Speaker 1: messing it up, so i'd like, do you see your
Speaker 1: girlfriends in California? Was that girlfriends in California? I said?
Speaker 1: Girlfriend is? And then is a fairly common grammatical colloquialism.
Speaker 1: You put like an apostrophe, and it's girlfriends as in
Speaker 1: girlfriend is like a slightly shortened version of girlfriend. We
Speaker 1: can get into her girlfriend is. That's what she just
Speaker 1: text me. Someone's ears were burning. Hey are you in
Speaker 1: your new house in in the UK right now? I am?
Speaker 1: I just realized. Is this your first time owning a home?
Speaker 1: It is my first time owning a home. I'm very,
Speaker 1: very excited about it. Although every morning is like some
Speaker 1: new job that I need, some new like I'm like,
Speaker 1: I hate this, I am this, I'm fixing this. This
Speaker 1: is going to happen. Hardwood floors is the next, the
Speaker 1: next big project throughout the house. Nice. Yeah, home ownership is.
Speaker 1: Home ownership is awful. Are you in your home which
Speaker 1: you own? I am in my home that I hope
Speaker 1: that I own, and yes it is? It can't. I mean, actually,
Speaker 1: my son room right now because it's beautiful outside. Um,
Speaker 1: I have a sunroom. I'm literally kind of half outside
Speaker 1: right now because it's like three d degrees outside. Is it?
Speaker 1: And is it going to be super hot for the
Speaker 1: rest of the world. That's like in sort of approaching
Speaker 1: the nineties. Sorry for the Americans, UM, not the rest
Speaker 1: of them. With the rest of the world, everyone else
Speaker 1: does ctigrade. That's got a calculator out. I know I
Speaker 1: can gues estimate. Is it has it been that hot
Speaker 1: for a while. I'm at a bachelor party on uh
Speaker 1: Saturday in Toronto. It's hot. It's been like this all summer.
Speaker 1: Been fantastic. It's been like sticky, my skin is glowing.
Speaker 1: It's good that love that. UM. I feel like we're
Speaker 1: going to get down to any of our questions. By
Speaker 1: the way, listen, I was just about trying to segue
Speaker 1: as in there and you immediately interrupted me, and I
Speaker 1: was like, this is I'm seeing a pattern forming here.
Speaker 1: So this is something that Dom and I love about
Speaker 1: these deep dives is we get to learn so much
Speaker 1: about people that we think we know, and we definitely
Speaker 1: love um, but we you know, I'm sitting here looking
Speaker 1: at at all of your tacts and your credits and
Speaker 1: things that our lovely producers find about you. They basically
Speaker 1: hire a private detective and they go like they figure
Speaker 1: you out from so I didn't know all of this
Speaker 1: stuff when you were in a teenager. So where did
Speaker 1: you hide those bodies? That's fascinating. We know now you're
Speaker 1: supposed to talk about that. I almost just want to
Speaker 1: cancel this entire thing right now because I'm as to
Speaker 1: what you guys found out about? No, no, no, um
Speaker 1: what did you find out? Tell me? What did you
Speaker 1: what? What What do you guys? See? Let's see. I mean
Speaker 1: I knew all about the first thing on here is
Speaker 1: like the adrenaline junkie side to you, and I knew
Speaker 1: about that. We were just talking about that two days ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, guys, I okay, we want to comp that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's weird them because like I I don't
Speaker 1: see myself like that. Like today, like today I have
Speaker 1: it's my first day off in a while. So and
Speaker 1: my wife. I got hurt at work two weeks ago,
Speaker 1: so my wife has been like, you need to take
Speaker 1: it easy. You have to take it easy. And I
Speaker 1: haven't been taking it easy. But like today, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna garden a little bit and play on my racing
Speaker 1: simulator and like maybe work on my race car. So
Speaker 1: like this is a chill day, so I'm not always
Speaker 1: an adrenaline junkie. Your race car. Yeah, I blew up
Speaker 1: the engine in my race car a few weeks ago too,
Speaker 1: So then that's so annoying. Yes, it's rebuild. I took
Speaker 1: it out myself. My wife was in Portugal for three
Speaker 1: days and it was the long weekend and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: nothing's shooting, I'm not working. I'm gonna just hunker down
Speaker 1: and do it myself. Then we kind of have like
Speaker 1: a little shop behind the house. Um. We got really
Speaker 1: lucky when we found this house. Um, this is kind
Speaker 1: of why we bought it because it has this beautiful garage. Anyway,
Speaker 1: so I was like, I'm gonna get this done in
Speaker 1: three days. It ended up taking like a week and
Speaker 1: a half. But it isn't a rebuild. I took an
Speaker 1: old engine and put it into the car, a rebuilt engine. Okay.
Speaker 1: I used to be a mechanic before film. Okay, see
Speaker 1: that's interesting. So how did you go from before? That
Speaker 1: was boring? But what you just said this is my
Speaker 1: This is my poor attempt at a segue. Um, so
Speaker 1: let's go from that. So you were a mechanic, So
Speaker 1: how do how does one go from mechanic two, did
Speaker 1: you get into stunts? Are acting first? And then which
Speaker 1: how did all of that tell us tell us about usual?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna oh, man, guys, this is such a big
Speaker 1: question because it's like this could be the entire this
Speaker 1: could be the whole thing. So let's back well, I'll
Speaker 1: back up, I'll back up. I'll back up. So my
Speaker 1: mom was always into theater and as a kid, she
Speaker 1: would like usher at all these at all these plays,
Speaker 1: and she would bring me and I would tag along.
Speaker 1: I did a lot of improv as a kid. I
Speaker 1: was always in the theater groups in high school blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. But I was also a kind
Speaker 1: of a delink quick teenager. So then the minute I
Speaker 1: finished high school, or actually I thought kicked out of
Speaker 1: my high school the last year essentially, Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: was I was peddling substances and they were like, look,
Speaker 1: they're like you haven't And my uncle was the counselor.
Speaker 1: And then my uncle like my mom's brother, and I
Speaker 1: was like, look, Joel, he's like, we don't want you here.
Speaker 1: You don't want to be here. He's like, they're like,
Speaker 1: we will pay for you to go to a technical school.
Speaker 1: And learn a trade because you're probably not going to
Speaker 1: amount to much more than you know, being a plumber,
Speaker 1: which there's nothing wrong with being a plumber, but they
Speaker 1: were basically like at the time there was you know,
Speaker 1: these misconceptions about trades, and they were like, we just
Speaker 1: need you out of the school. So then I loved
Speaker 1: cars and I was drag racing cars illegally at night.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I'll just take a class on mechanics.
Speaker 1: This is great. So then they kicked me out and
Speaker 1: I went to the school and that's how I finished
Speaker 1: high school. I still have a recurring dream that I
Speaker 1: didn't finish high school to this day, I don't know
Speaker 1: how I finished. Hi, I don't remember high school anyway.
Speaker 1: So then I took mechanics and then I ended up
Speaker 1: a job in a shop and I began a mechanic
Speaker 1: for six years straight, like full time. Worked with these
Speaker 1: really tough bikers, and they ended up being like they're
Speaker 1: like fathers to me. They were at my wedding. Um
Speaker 1: they basically I consider them like my fathers. These two
Speaker 1: guys um that ran the shop. But they're like really tough, tough,
Speaker 1: old school, hard around the edges, kind of guys. Um.
Speaker 1: But while I was working as a mechanic, I was
Speaker 1: taking acting classes at night, and I would take my
Speaker 1: vacations if I booked something, or like if I landed
Speaker 1: a job, I'd be like, can I please take a
Speaker 1: week off or whatever? And then I would work at
Speaker 1: like double shifts till like two in the morning, like
Speaker 1: I just needed to figure it out. So then that
Speaker 1: kept going. I was acting, but I was also a mechanic,
Speaker 1: and then I started bartending at night because I started
Speaker 1: skydiving at the time and I needed to pay for
Speaker 1: my sky diving habits. So this is like my red
Speaker 1: out of high school. I'm working in a shop, I'm acting,
Speaker 1: I'm taking Scott Having lessons, and I'm bartending at night
Speaker 1: and burning the candle at both ends. And then um,
Speaker 1: I was also trading kickboxing and became a semi profighter
Speaker 1: for a little bit. So well, yeah, so all these
Speaker 1: things are happening, and eventually I quit mechanics because I
Speaker 1: go I want to be an actor, and I go
Speaker 1: to university then get a four year essentially theater degree
Speaker 1: because my mom and dad were like, you should get
Speaker 1: an education. I was like, okay, fine, and then I
Speaker 1: met a girl who was my girlfriend who's not my wife,
Speaker 1: And after I graduated university, she moved to Toronto. So
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't have a choice. I have
Speaker 1: to go to Toronto. So by the time I moved
Speaker 1: to Toronto, I had been a semi profighter, I'd become
Speaker 1: a professional skydiver, and I had been a mechanic, so
Speaker 1: I had all these little things, and I had started
Speaker 1: base jumping as well, So it kind of was like
Speaker 1: the perfect melting pot to be a stuntman. But I
Speaker 1: didn't know and I didn't plan it right. So eventually
Speaker 1: I moved here and I failed miserably at acting. Like
Speaker 1: is reply, I think I'm still failing. Highly doubt that,
Speaker 1: but it happens. That's learning curve. I think. I think
Speaker 1: that's why we PU. It's so hard. You know, it's
Speaker 1: one of the few, one of your few careers that
Speaker 1: you just said, you're a professional app that you can
Speaker 1: fail and not die. So that's pretty decent. You're allowed
Speaker 1: to like fail a couple of times of being an
Speaker 1: actor as a skydi as a professional skydiver, you fail
Speaker 1: once and that's it. You're done. You're eating burgers through
Speaker 1: a straw. Yeah, god. Now. So, yeah, I moved here,
Speaker 1: and I'm skipping a lot of stuff here, like at
Speaker 1: one point I want to quit mechanics. My car broke down.
Speaker 1: I went back to the shop. I said, can you
Speaker 1: guys fix the car? And they were like, oh, you're
Speaker 1: an actor now, Oh why are you here? And they
Speaker 1: were like, we're busy. Fix it yourself. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. So I went in the back fixed
Speaker 1: it myself and they were like, look, we don't know
Speaker 1: what kind of they used to call it, like kissing classes.
Speaker 1: They were like, I don't know what kind of kissing
Speaker 1: classes you're taking somewhere, but if you're not too busy
Speaker 1: you mind, maybe you're helping us out in between your classes.
Speaker 1: So during my entire theater degree, I would leave my
Speaker 1: classes and go back to the shop that was fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes away and work on cars. So I was living
Speaker 1: like a double life, and I'd be dirty and then
Speaker 1: I go back to the university clean my hands and
Speaker 1: then you know whatever, and then go take theater classes
Speaker 1: and then all my electives. So I was just I'm
Speaker 1: a bit of a workaholic, so I was constantly working anyway.
Speaker 1: So so I moved here, failed miserably tried to get
Speaker 1: into stunts. Everyone shut the door on me. They said,
Speaker 1: don't bother, it's a family thing. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of nepotism everywhere in film, as
Speaker 1: we all know. And uh, I said okay. And then
Speaker 1: I was union at this point, but again failing. And
Speaker 1: then I tried to get agents, and agents nobody wanted.
Speaker 1: Nobody wanted me, and I was like okay. So then
Speaker 1: I just kept sky having, I kept bar attending, and
Speaker 1: then eventually I got a shitty agent, landed a bit
Speaker 1: of stuff. And then one woman in an acting class
Speaker 1: came over to my house because we're running lines or
Speaker 1: something I don't know, and she went in my bathroom
Speaker 1: and saw a picture of me base jumping in Norway.
Speaker 1: She was like, is that you in the in that
Speaker 1: picture in the bathroom? I was like, yeah, it's me.
Speaker 1: She's like, why, why aren't you a stunt man? I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I was like I tried failed. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I was like, I have one credit from
Speaker 1: back home in Winnipeg, and you know, the door has
Speaker 1: been habitually shut on me. And she's like, let me
Speaker 1: put you in touch with someone The next day, a
Speaker 1: woman called me. She goes, My name's Alicia Turner. I
Speaker 1: was giving your number. Do you want to do a
Speaker 1: fight for m TV pace twenty bucks? That was the
Speaker 1: per diem was twenty bucks. I was so broke. I
Speaker 1: was like, I could use that. Yes, I'll do it.
Speaker 1: So they broke a bottle. Yeah, and I was so desperate.
Speaker 1: And then we did this fight and then broke the
Speaker 1: bottle and then she was like, you should come over
Speaker 1: to my house and and meet someone. So I met
Speaker 1: another stunt woman and they were like, we think you
Speaker 1: should pursue this. And these these two women literally completely
Speaker 1: changed the course of my life, like literally just proof
Speaker 1: a completely different direction. And then they said you got
Speaker 1: it at the time you it was, you know, put
Speaker 1: it on a CD, send it to the productions. And
Speaker 1: I took a year to get this demo reel together,
Speaker 1: and you know, headshots, blah blah blah, and it would
Speaker 1: send these stats, these massive stacks at the post office
Speaker 1: to every production. I just kept doing that for months.
Speaker 1: I think, probably you're and eventually I got a phone call.
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, come on down, and I was like okay.
Speaker 1: And then oddly so at the same time, a good
Speaker 1: agent in town lost a guy that looked like me.
Speaker 1: He moved to l A or I don't know, and
Speaker 1: they're like, you want audition for something? And I was like,
Speaker 1: how do you guys even get my number? It's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not interested. They kept bugging me, and I was like,
Speaker 1: final audition for this, but I don't want to be
Speaker 1: an actor. I don't want to act. I hate actors.
Speaker 1: Like I was just like over it. And then I
Speaker 1: almost got this this thing. Yeah, and they were like, look,
Speaker 1: come into the office, give us a year, give us
Speaker 1: a year, and let's just see what happens. So all
Speaker 1: of a sudden things started moving. And then now I've
Speaker 1: been doing this for twelve years. I think I'm almost already. Guys,
Speaker 1: who was fault? It's got to have and keep too young?
Speaker 1: Apparently that's the botox. But sure, Wow, I have so
Speaker 1: many questions because you were just talking NonStop for like
Speaker 1: eighteen minutes. I'm sorry, I'm just like my origin stories, yourself,
Speaker 1: my origin stories. Big um, don't let you. This is
Speaker 1: what we're here for. We're here here you talk. They're
Speaker 1: sick of us talking. This is all about you. I've
Speaker 1: missed you. This is how we used to talk to
Speaker 1: each other on set. People people thought we hated each other.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, I actually do you guys know we brand
Speaker 1: into Isaiah like two months ago. No. No. So my friend,
Speaker 1: one of my best friends, as a stunt coordinator and
Speaker 1: he coordinates a bunch of stuff and I helped him
Speaker 1: build stunts and like I can because I was a mechanic,
Speaker 1: I helped him like rig up stuff and everything. And
Speaker 1: he called me and he's like, look, I need help
Speaker 1: on this commercial. I was like, okay, cool, whatever. He's like,
Speaker 1: it's just a day, pays this much, super good, pay,
Speaker 1: super chilled. I was like yeah, and he's like it's
Speaker 1: an old spice commercial. I was like okay cool. And
Speaker 1: then he's like yeah, apparently you know one of the guys.
Speaker 1: I was like who and then he's like Isaiah Mustaf.
Speaker 1: I was like oh, oh yeah, and I was like
Speaker 1: oh no. I was like oh no. The minute and
Speaker 1: then he texted me like two days laters, like I
Speaker 1: heard you're working with me And I was in charge
Speaker 1: of his safety that day. The minute I walked on set,
Speaker 1: his professionalism must have dropped a solid for like, they
Speaker 1: literally walked up to me and they were like, what
Speaker 1: did you do to the there? Like the minute you
Speaker 1: walked through the door, he basically they were rolling and
Speaker 1: he basically just walked out of frame. And it's just like,
Speaker 1: oh it was. It was ridiculous, so obsessional, but it
Speaker 1: was so good to see it. It was it was
Speaker 1: so nice to see him. But yeah, yeah, the banter
Speaker 1: back and forth on Shadow Hunters was nice. It was
Speaker 1: arguably sometimes got in the way of work, but hey,
Speaker 1: I keep working like this to this day. My professionalism
Speaker 1: hasn't changed in one like one iota. Anything I've done
Speaker 1: well today broke down six And I mean, guys, we
Speaker 1: work long hours. We never know when when our schedules
Speaker 1: are money comes, we make a ship ton of money,
Speaker 1: then we make no money. You know, things come, things go.
Speaker 1: It's just like, we might as well have fun while
Speaker 1: we're while we're going through this journey exactly. Look, if
Speaker 1: you're going to be you know, jumping off of stuff
Speaker 1: or covered in fake blood or crying for seventeen hours
Speaker 1: a day, you might as well have fun while you're
Speaker 1: doing it. Right. My favorite show I think of you
Speaker 1: in the entire show is that shot right at the
Speaker 1: end where we haven't reached this yet in the podcast,
Speaker 1: but the shot right in the end where you're spoiler
Speaker 1: and and you're like half werewolf transformation, you had those
Speaker 1: massive teeth in you can close your mouth and you're
Speaker 1: just like lying there with your eyes open, but it's
Speaker 1: just like all teeth in your mouth. That is my
Speaker 1: favorite shot. I remember that day. I feel like those teeth.
Speaker 1: I feel like, at like eight am, they were like
Speaker 1: who's got the teeth? And everyone each other and it's
Speaker 1: like and they were like and they were like, do
Speaker 1: we not have teeth? And they were like and I
Speaker 1: feel like someone ran into Dollar Rama and got like
Speaker 1: teeth because like I put them in my mouth and
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, what the what is
Speaker 1: this guy's I definitely feel like the drop the ball
Speaker 1: was dropped on the teeth. Yeah. I once turned up
Speaker 1: on set and the makeup artist went, oh, you have
Speaker 1: different this isn't on shadow answers and when you have
Speaker 1: different colder eyes, and I was like, yeah, yes I do.
Speaker 1: They were like ah shit and had to fix it
Speaker 1: that like that day because the character I was playing
Speaker 1: did not have different colored eyes. But it was like
Speaker 1: two in the morning and they were just like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: we funked up pretty badly here, and I learned from
Speaker 1: that that now I mentioned it in auditions all the time.
Speaker 1: I was like, by the way, I don't know even noticed,
Speaker 1: but they don't match. And they're like, oh, yeah, we noticed.
Speaker 1: Does that happen after not as much anymore they try
Speaker 1: and match them. Uh, it's well so not anymore. No,
Speaker 1: this job, I was playing a real person who existed,
Speaker 1: so with his eye color had to be a very
Speaker 1: specific thing. Um. The two actually, the two times that
Speaker 1: the character was based on books and had a particular
Speaker 1: eye color was Shadow Hunters and was Vampire Academy, and
Speaker 1: both of those directors were like McGee and Mark Waters
Speaker 1: were both like, we love your eyes, but there's no
Speaker 1: way we're going to change them. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you guys are the best. That's really sweet. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: the kid, but I didn't say anything about the eye
Speaker 1: color for shadow Hunters that it yeah, yeah, eyes are yeah.
Speaker 1: So it would have contact lenses, yeah they're gold. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we've you know, dumb so brilliantly found a way
Speaker 1: to tie it in by making a suggestion of hey,
Speaker 1: when we do the Rooney Gold Powers, let's make his
Speaker 1: eyes glow with the rest, and they did so. I
Speaker 1: how do you you said, you become a professional skydiver?
Speaker 1: Where does that do you pay? Who pays you to
Speaker 1: just jump out of an airplane? Yeah? How do you
Speaker 1: do that? How do you become a professional? How do
Speaker 1: you monetize it? You? I mean, there's not that many
Speaker 1: ways of monetizing it. There's really so you the natural
Speaker 1: progression or the more I should say, the most popular
Speaker 1: progression is, you know, you become a consummate skydiver, and
Speaker 1: then you become a coach, which pays it bit. But
Speaker 1: I would say this, it pays for the the sport,
Speaker 1: Like you just end up getting to a point where
Speaker 1: you're no longer hemorrhaging money. It's just kind of paying
Speaker 1: for itself. And then after that you could become a
Speaker 1: videographer or a tandem instructor. I see, yeah, and those
Speaker 1: guys like if you're making a very comfortable living, I'd say,
Speaker 1: like you're making probably a hundred grand a year to
Speaker 1: be a tandem instructor and you're working. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: if you are really good, you become like a sponsored athlete,
Speaker 1: and then they usually like read bull, I know, if
Speaker 1: you read bull guys. They're usually on a few d K.
Speaker 1: You're not much like these people aren't rich or anything,
Speaker 1: but you know they get to be flown all over
Speaker 1: the world and do all this cool ship. So I
Speaker 1: mean I would take that over anything. Well. I would
Speaker 1: have thought that the videographers as well, like especially action
Speaker 1: movies and TV, to have like a qualified like who's
Speaker 1: the guy who jumped out of the plane with Tom
Speaker 1: Cruise like sixty times or something silly and didn't the
Speaker 1: same guy Norman Can't, Yeah, and he's like a hundred
Speaker 1: years old, and he's he's, what are you doing jumping
Speaker 1: out of airplanes? Norman? But no, he's bless his heart, No,
Speaker 1: he's his name is Norman Can't, and he's he's been
Speaker 1: doing it for a long time. And I mean videographer
Speaker 1: though usually the people who video just the tandems make
Speaker 1: a good living too, But someone like normal Can't who's
Speaker 1: branched into film as well. Um, obviously that's I think
Speaker 1: the girth of how he makes his living now. But
Speaker 1: I mean, those are those are essentially the ways you
Speaker 1: could do it. But like I loved it, like if
Speaker 1: I yeah, I mean, like anything else, so becomes a job,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But it's a fun job.
Speaker 1: I think it's like film, Like film is fun. But
Speaker 1: some days you wake up and you're like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, guys, but I have days
Speaker 1: where you know, I'm on set and I'm like around
Speaker 1: it and I'm like, what else could I do? I do?
Speaker 1: It's not even that I wake up some days cats
Speaker 1: like no, I love it. No, No. I think the
Speaker 1: closest I've ever had is like during the pandemic and
Speaker 1: I'm like, am I ever going to work again? What's happening?
Speaker 1: I'm like, should I do something else with my life?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but but no, the answer is always no. No.
Speaker 1: I've definitely I've woken up on days and been and
Speaker 1: looked at the cool sheet and been like, oh, not today,
Speaker 1: not today. I just you know what I mean. I've
Speaker 1: had those days, whether it's a person that I'm working with,
Speaker 1: or like I haven't quite healed from doing my last
Speaker 1: set of stunts, and then I'm like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: the one where I get my ask kicked. Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: all right, it's gonna be a tough day. What set
Speaker 1: is it on? Oh, it's on the set. With all
Speaker 1: those loose nails. This is gonna be this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a day. But always when I get there and
Speaker 1: I get into it and we start talking to you know,
Speaker 1: other actors, you guys that does re Bolster, Like, you
Speaker 1: get there and you're like, this is why I do it,
Speaker 1: this is fun. I'm enjoying this again. I have these
Speaker 1: moments like I look around, I'm like fuck. But then
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's like, and I
Speaker 1: agree with you. You know, you look at the call
Speaker 1: she and you're like, oh my god, this is the
Speaker 1: day that dreading or and even the pandemic and even
Speaker 1: the pandemic I had that cat I did. I was like, fuck,
Speaker 1: like what am I going to do? But I'd say
Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of the time, I'm like, this is
Speaker 1: just what I do. I'm married to this game. That's
Speaker 1: That's always the advice, you know that I think it's
Speaker 1: most important to remember in this industry because you have
Speaker 1: to love it. It's not an easy job. But if
Speaker 1: you love it and if you get out of bed
Speaker 1: and the one thing you want to do in the world,
Speaker 1: it's the most wonderful job. Yeah. I have a lot
Speaker 1: of like show funk, like I have a lot of
Speaker 1: I see if they let me do this moment. Like
Speaker 1: I have these moments where I'm like, as if I'm
Speaker 1: getting paid, And it's often with car stuff when they
Speaker 1: give me the keys to the car and they're like
Speaker 1: just go go go to your stuff, and I'm like
Speaker 1: you sure, yeah, right, I'm like, okay, alright, right, Um,
Speaker 1: I shot a car chase. I don't know three weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I have no concept of time, by the way, because
Speaker 1: I think it's from being a stunt guy. I don't
Speaker 1: remember stuff like like time frames, names, stuff. So I
Speaker 1: think I shot. I think it was three weeks ago.
Speaker 1: But we shot. We locked off this really windy road
Speaker 1: in Hamilton's and we had cops everywhere blocking the roads,
Speaker 1: and I was I had cameras mounted to a motorcycle
Speaker 1: and I was bombing down. It said like speed limit
Speaker 1: forty and we're going like a hundred and ten. And
Speaker 1: you could just tell that the cops were just like like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the cops were. You could tell that they were. I
Speaker 1: don't know. If it's jealousy, I don't know, if it's admiration,
Speaker 1: I don't I can't tell. But they're just like you
Speaker 1: know that this is illegal and you could never get
Speaker 1: away with this in any other circumstance, but this one.
Speaker 1: And we had all these cars swerving and they were
Speaker 1: following my motorcycle and I was bombing and I was
Speaker 1: like and it was the middle of the night, like
Speaker 1: two in the morning, and that's one of those moments
Speaker 1: where it's just like, man, I was like, it's ridiculous
Speaker 1: that I get pay. I can't believe they let us
Speaker 1: do this sort of stuff. Yeah, closing down the street
Speaker 1: in general is always good fun because you're like, this
Speaker 1: is a this is an insane thing that we're doing.
Speaker 1: Like we shot the last show I just did. We
Speaker 1: shot in the Plaza Hotel in New York, and that
Speaker 1: we had their whole ballroom, this like super exclusive club
Speaker 1: that you have to pay thousands of dollars to get in,
Speaker 1: and we just shut it down for three days. And
Speaker 1: we walk in every day and be like, there are
Speaker 1: so many people who are angry that we're here, but
Speaker 1: like them, we're here making a shot. Fuck you. This
Speaker 1: is what we do. The beauty of film. You just
Speaker 1: bully your way into locations. Yeah, well, even in Toronto
Speaker 1: for some of our finale episodes. We would shut down
Speaker 1: some of the main streets and downtown Toronto and just
Speaker 1: run around pretending like we were getting dive found by demons.
Speaker 1: So annoying. Is so annoying when you're not filming, it's
Speaker 1: the most annoying thing. They used to shoot a lot
Speaker 1: of suits. I think the lobby for the law office
Speaker 1: in suits was the lobby of my building. So I
Speaker 1: would come down and you know, it's that thing where
Speaker 1: you're like where you're already late, and then it's everyone
Speaker 1: else's vote that I woke up late, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So I'm like getting down. I can see
Speaker 1: like my car is waiting for me, and they're like,
Speaker 1: can you just hold on for one second? And I'm
Speaker 1: like a fox's sake, of course, yes, I'll wait. I
Speaker 1: understand exactly what you're doing in our respect it, but
Speaker 1: I'm so annoyed. I I've been on suites once and
Speaker 1: that was one set where I was like, oh my lord.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not working on this set again.
Speaker 1: I have I'm not going to name any names, but
Speaker 1: I have never worked on the set. It's almost like
Speaker 1: the scripts came out and the actors were like, fuck
Speaker 1: the script like they didn't. It was like it was madness.
Speaker 1: And and first show that it's so heavy on dialogue,
Speaker 1: you would think that everyone is so off, but but
Speaker 1: it was like essentially it was they were like action
Speaker 1: and the actors like line, like right out of the
Speaker 1: gates line and you're like and then like two words
Speaker 1: and they were like line And I was like what why?
Speaker 1: What is going on? And it's crazy. I got home
Speaker 1: that day and I told my wife, She's how was
Speaker 1: your day? I was like, I don't think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: work on this show again. I was like, that was madness.
Speaker 1: It was madness. It is one of those examples where
Speaker 1: it's a show that I worked on and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh man, I think I would kill myself if I
Speaker 1: worked on the show full time. Wow, But I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna name it. I'm not gonna name names. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: glad you don't feel that way about shadow Hunters. It's
Speaker 1: like I gotta go. No. Shadow Hunters was you know
Speaker 1: what shadows Hunters was? I was hired for four episodes
Speaker 1: and I kept getting strung along longer and longer and longer.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, and I was just honestly, I was
Speaker 1: just grateful and I try and even I try and
Speaker 1: go through my day to day of this and more
Speaker 1: and more as I grow up, and it's just like
Speaker 1: I'm grateful that I have. I'm grateful that I am,
Speaker 1: and all of us, all three of us, like we
Speaker 1: are the one per centers of film where we get
Speaker 1: to say, yeah, this is what we do for a living,
Speaker 1: and it's like we're really lucky. And it's like Shadow Hunters.
Speaker 1: I was just trying to be grateful about it because
Speaker 1: I was just like, man, they told me I would
Speaker 1: only be here for like a month, and then like
Speaker 1: the writers but texted me and be like you're still
Speaker 1: You're still in for a little bit longer and yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was just like this is It was just
Speaker 1: something that as it went further and further, I knew
Speaker 1: my time would come to an end. But I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I was like, I got so much more out of this,
Speaker 1: and I thought I was then I thought I ever
Speaker 1: was going to get, you know, exposure, the fans, everything.
Speaker 1: So I was just like, if the ride ends tomorrow,
Speaker 1: I'm cool. I'm fine. Oh we're glad you're on the road.
Speaker 1: How did you How did you get involved in Shadow
Speaker 1: Hunton's what was your how did your journey stopped? Uh
Speaker 1: that summer or whenever it was spring, summer, whatever it was.
Speaker 1: I was auditioning a lot, but I was like auditioning
Speaker 1: callback callback nothing, auditioning callback callback nothing. It was weird
Speaker 1: and it and Shadow Hunters came up and I gied
Speaker 1: for like three roles. I auditioned for Aleric Hang hang porn,
Speaker 1: so one of the characters, and then what did Meliorn?
Speaker 1: Which is funny to even think of, very different, It
Speaker 1: would have been a very different John. You didn't even
Speaker 1: pretend like you're like now, yeah, exactly like you can't ye,
Speaker 1: no even yeah, like think of it for a second.
Speaker 1: I mean, let no one other than Jade as Meliorn.
Speaker 1: That's just full sty He's perfect, But no one else
Speaker 1: is Alaric. But you, I honestly could not see anyone
Speaker 1: else playing the role any other way. I mean, truly,
Speaker 1: stop it, truly stop it. I mean it. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna stop blowing smoke of my never being so sweet,
Speaker 1: but thank you. Um so, I auditioned for Aleric and
Speaker 1: I thought it had gone horribly and you know what,
Speaker 1: I was in a rush. I think my wife and
Speaker 1: I had to go We're going to Ikea and we're
Speaker 1: trying to like beat the clock or something that we
Speaker 1: needed to get to Ikea. And like she came with
Speaker 1: me to the audition. I like literally parked my car
Speaker 1: through the hazards and I was like, I'll be back
Speaker 1: in two minutes, and I ran up the stairs instead
Speaker 1: of taking the elevator. So when I got to the
Speaker 1: audition room, I was like like, I was like and like,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're like elevated like that, it's hard
Speaker 1: to bring yourself back down. And I was like, and there,
Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes they're like, oh, Joe, we'll be
Speaker 1: with you in five minutes. I got there and they're like,
Speaker 1: gives you right now, and I was like, oh fuck.
Speaker 1: And like I got in the room and I was
Speaker 1: just like oh. And I was like not grounded, not ready, sweating,
Speaker 1: breathing heavy, and it was over before I knew it.
Speaker 1: And I walked out of that audition. I was like,
Speaker 1: waste time now and then um, and then they come
Speaker 1: back for a call back. Yeah, and I was like, oh, strange.
Speaker 1: And then at the call back, the reader she's from Winnipeg.
Speaker 1: I'm from Winnipegan She's like, are you from Winnipeg. I
Speaker 1: was like I am, and she was like, I'm from Winnipeg.
Speaker 1: So then we started chatting and totally threw me off.
Speaker 1: So we started trying for like ten minutes, and then
Speaker 1: by the time that it was time for me to
Speaker 1: the audition, I couldn't remember any of my lines. I
Speaker 1: was just like because we just she politely threw me
Speaker 1: off anyway, So that was my call back. So then
Speaker 1: at this point I'm like, whatever it is, what it is,
Speaker 1: It's all good. And then like two months later, I
Speaker 1: got a call from my agent and they really like you.
Speaker 1: They think they want you, but they're a little bit
Speaker 1: concerned about the stunt stuff. And I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, has a here we go. And that seems
Speaker 1: to be the case until about like two years ago.
Speaker 1: Everyone goes, oh, we like you, Joel, but your stunts
Speaker 1: because like you guys, if you look on my IMDb,
Speaker 1: that's hard to hide all those credits. It's a long
Speaker 1: threat all right in front of me. Is that? Why
Speaker 1: is that a concern? Then? For folks is case you
Speaker 1: get her on another job, in case you get hurt
Speaker 1: on another job up and there's a stigma with stunt
Speaker 1: people that they can't act. M and I mean interesting,
Speaker 1: not true. There's some seriously good true in this true
Speaker 1: in Joe's case obviously, but in the rest of the time,
Speaker 1: most stunt people are poor no actors. They're por no actors.
Speaker 1: You know, like you give them one line, like you know,
Speaker 1: she went that way, and they're just like they're stiff,
Speaker 1: and they're like, she went that way, Like they're so stiff,
Speaker 1: and there's nothing There is a very sage choice of
Speaker 1: words when you're describing porn actors. But that's stiff and stiff. Um,
Speaker 1: you'd be less stiff because that's the issue we're having
Speaker 1: and keep having a zoom out so they're so erecked. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think the concerns most stunt guys can't act,
Speaker 1: they can't yeah. And and honestly, I think because I
Speaker 1: do both and I really truly flip flop now like
Speaker 1: I really do Um, I think it's because acting you're
Speaker 1: using left brain, and stunts you're on your using your
Speaker 1: right brain, where I really truly believe that interesting. You're
Speaker 1: trying to be creative, you're trying to go with the flow,
Speaker 1: you're trying to just be in the moment. With acting
Speaker 1: and stunts, you can't do that. You have to pay attention,
Speaker 1: you have to protect people yourself. You have to hit
Speaker 1: the mark sometimes, like it's the difference. I just did
Speaker 1: a twenty ratchet on a or Arnold Schwartzenegger series last
Speaker 1: week with someone there's an explosion. I was doubling Gabrielle Luna,
Speaker 1: the guy who played T three in The Last Terminator.
Speaker 1: I've been doubling the most season or all summer, and
Speaker 1: we both had to tention these lines. And if we
Speaker 1: both intention the line, the other person would get the
Speaker 1: tension and we get thrown like forty ft into a
Speaker 1: wall and essentially you could kill them, repaaralyze them, right,
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of trust. So again, you have
Speaker 1: to hit your marks. You have to be perfect. So
Speaker 1: that's kind of my my reasoning and my me trying
Speaker 1: to kind of justify with stunt people because I have
Speaker 1: a big heart forstential um and actress too. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that's why stunt guys and stunt women can't
Speaker 1: after you will because they can't. It's try and do
Speaker 1: a scene and and and play a sport at the
Speaker 1: same time you're gonna either not see your lines properly,
Speaker 1: You're gonna totally stuck at the sport, right. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I think that's the concern. They go, oh, he's a
Speaker 1: stunt guy, he's not an actor. So they went back
Speaker 1: and forth a lot, which the network was going to act, forth,
Speaker 1: back and forth, and uh, that was the big concern.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I can't change that. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're concern is that I'm a stunt person, I
Speaker 1: don't know what to tell you, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not going to change. But it's
Speaker 1: interesting that they brought it up like after. It's interesting
Speaker 1: that conversation happens after you've been in the room, Like
Speaker 1: I would understand it more from a costume director. He's like,
Speaker 1: are you willing to see this person, and like, we're
Speaker 1: concerned about the stunt stuff, Like that's the concern. We
Speaker 1: have full disclosure. But they saw you when you proved
Speaker 1: yourself twice, and then they were like, now we're concerned
Speaker 1: about the sun stuff. And you're like, well, you saw
Speaker 1: him do the acting section already happening back for it,
Speaker 1: so what's the issue? You know, it happens a lot
Speaker 1: or they go, oh, well, I don't know what it is,
Speaker 1: but it's it's a concern. But lately what happens is
Speaker 1: there's more of a push now for actors to do
Speaker 1: their own action, right, So, and I think it looks
Speaker 1: great when actors being an action. I think it's I
Speaker 1: think it's it's undeniably better when we can get an
Speaker 1: actress or an actor to do a good chunk of
Speaker 1: their fight. Is that coming through a laughing on that
Speaker 1: hid just stops now that that came through, it was wonderful.
Speaker 1: But but speaking of of all of that, you know,
Speaker 1: when you first get I mean, your stunt experience turned
Speaker 1: out to be a huge advantage on shadow Unchers. In
Speaker 1: the end, it did like they would always put me
Speaker 1: and they wanted me to do more on shadow Hunters.
Speaker 1: But he just got diluted, as things do occasionally or often.
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, like they wanted me to do do some driving.
Speaker 1: I did it. They wanted me to do this and
Speaker 1: did it. I did it. And the stunt coordinator was like, look,
Speaker 1: if if we had to double him, I would have
Speaker 1: hired him. So it has to be him because if
Speaker 1: we get a stunt double, the stunt double will most
Speaker 1: likely be less experienced in Trull, which is kind of
Speaker 1: a weird thing to say, right, but it did. It
Speaker 1: was an advantage on shadow Hunters, and it's starting to
Speaker 1: be an advantage now, like people are starting to go, oh,
Speaker 1: you can do both. You can't. But it's taken the
Speaker 1: better part of a decade, you know what I mean
Speaker 1: for people to recognize that, you know, it's an uphill
Speaker 1: battle still though. Sure, we'll tell us a little bit
Speaker 1: more about when you first found out about all and
Speaker 1: when you first started looking into the character. How much
Speaker 1: did you know? Did you know he was a werewolf?
Speaker 1: Did you know he was what did you know? And
Speaker 1: how how was that process for your funny Okay, you're
Speaker 1: gonna be a cop. Oh and by the way, you're
Speaker 1: also a wearawolf. I remember looking into it and going, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: I like this guy because I played him as he's
Speaker 1: just not a happy human. He's grumpy. He's so grumpy,
Speaker 1: so grumpy, never happy, he never smiles. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is nice. I was like, I could I could
Speaker 1: get into this. So I remember that was my initial
Speaker 1: thing and and I leaned into that more than anything
Speaker 1: because I was just like I just I like, I'm
Speaker 1: a fairly happy person. I am, And like I said,
Speaker 1: as I get older, I try and see trying to
Speaker 1: be more grateful. I try and see more. I try.
Speaker 1: I don't get mad. I rarely get mad, if ever, anymore.
Speaker 1: And even back then I was like that, just not
Speaker 1: as much as now. So to get a character like that,
Speaker 1: you just go, oh, I could lean into something that
Speaker 1: I don't get to lean into in real life, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So so that was my first
Speaker 1: initial thought of him. And then also my biggest thing
Speaker 1: was thinking about the dynamic, because I remember finding out
Speaker 1: that it was Isaiah and and wondering what the dynamic
Speaker 1: would be with him, and that far exceeded my expectations
Speaker 1: by a million um. And I also remember wondering if
Speaker 1: I would ever transform into a werewolf and if it
Speaker 1: would look cheesy. That was the big thing. And I
Speaker 1: remember being like, man, if that it not makes me
Speaker 1: look cheesy, because I don't want to look cheesy. I
Speaker 1: was like, but that was it. And if you look
Speaker 1: up Aleric, there isn't much about him like you guys.
Speaker 1: Obviously you guys had massive roles, and there's so much.
Speaker 1: There's so much information. But for Alaric, I was almost
Speaker 1: given carte blanche because it was like, there isn't that much.
Speaker 1: So there was no one to go, oh, you should
Speaker 1: be more true to this than that, or blood, or
Speaker 1: you're not being true to this than that. So I
Speaker 1: was giving free rains and no one said anything to me.
Speaker 1: So I was like, perfect, what did you do? You
Speaker 1: remember what your breakdown said? I just tried to look
Speaker 1: for mine because I can't remember what it said at all,
Speaker 1: Like your initial that's interesting, I think I do. I
Speaker 1: think it said second in command of the wolf Pack. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's like the first thing it said. But
Speaker 1: so was that exciting for you or was that sort
Speaker 1: of a daunting for you to be coming to the
Speaker 1: series that has so many characters that are defined and
Speaker 1: you sort of were given nothing and everything simultaneously. I
Speaker 1: think it was at the time because how long ago
Speaker 1: was this? And I was trying to think about this.
Speaker 1: This was so we started shooting in Was that seven
Speaker 1: years ago? Yeah? Oh no, it's almost eight years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was April that we started shooting. How do how
Speaker 1: do we all look the same? We have an age?
Speaker 1: What is going on? Wait? That was eight years ago.
Speaker 1: Oh my lord. Okay, so I asked you that because
Speaker 1: it's hard to think back on that now about whether
Speaker 1: it was daunting. But and I'll be truthful, I think
Speaker 1: it was daunting because at the time, I mean, think
Speaker 1: of you as a performer eight years ago. For me personally,
Speaker 1: eight years ago, I was a different person. So I
Speaker 1: think it was a teen were your nineteen Oh my lord,
Speaker 1: I was nineteen nine when we shot. So now I'm old.
Speaker 1: You are old. I can't believe it. Nineteen Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: older now than Dom was when he started the show.
Speaker 1: I'm this year, I'll be as old as Matt was
Speaker 1: when he started the show. Wow, there's a bath for you.
Speaker 1: But to go back, I think it was daunting because
Speaker 1: at the time I hadn't done recurring to me that
Speaker 1: size before, so I was just like, who are the
Speaker 1: people I'm working with? How big is the show? And
Speaker 1: it was just like looking at the looking at everybody's resumes,
Speaker 1: looking at how big the show was, looking at um,
Speaker 1: just like how many fans there were. It was just like,
Speaker 1: holy sh it, like this is make This isn't a
Speaker 1: huge part, but it's still big enough that I mean, look,
Speaker 1: eight years later, we're still talking about it, right, So
Speaker 1: it's like it was big enough, and I knew it
Speaker 1: was big enough that it would impact me in some way.
Speaker 1: So I didn't know how to approach it at first.
Speaker 1: And I remember telling that to Isaiah a little bit,
Speaker 1: and and I remember being like, how do you, like,
Speaker 1: I didn't know, how do you play a character arc?
Speaker 1: How do you how do you do this? How do
Speaker 1: you do that? Like? Like what? And he really some
Speaker 1: of the stuff that he told me, I still use
Speaker 1: these techniques to this day, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I'd say it was daunting. Now, Isaiah was so
Speaker 1: instrumental to all of us. I think, you know a
Speaker 1: lot of us, it was our first I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: Dolmina had done something for obviously Harry was coming off
Speaker 1: of Glee, and but I think this for a lot
Speaker 1: of us was our first major foray into the huge
Speaker 1: responsibility and the huge workload that this was in the
Speaker 1: best way, but it was. Isaiah was such a gift
Speaker 1: in that I just remember watching him over the years
Speaker 1: and the way his professionalism and the way he even
Speaker 1: though and then just the way he handled himself on set,
Speaker 1: the way he handled situations. I mean between you know,
Speaker 1: him and Harry. They taught me so much about just
Speaker 1: the mechanics of what it is that weak that's just
Speaker 1: right like and that's exactly. It's just like you. You
Speaker 1: kind of get into these jobs and you go, Okay,
Speaker 1: I got the job, and then you kind of take
Speaker 1: a pause and you're like, I have no fucking idea
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. And it's just like, I don't know
Speaker 1: about you guys, but like I've gotten imposter syndrome. I
Speaker 1: don't get it as much anymore, but I still do
Speaker 1: get it. I still get these things where I'm like,
Speaker 1: what am I doing here? And I'm just and and
Speaker 1: I said definitely, Like I remember him saying, you don't
Speaker 1: need to go to work every day or whatever thinking
Speaker 1: about like the character arc. He's like, it's silly. He's like,
Speaker 1: just show up and do the job that day, do
Speaker 1: the scene truthfully that day. And he's like, let the
Speaker 1: editors cut it, cut it, and they will create that art.
Speaker 1: He's like, as long as you do every scene how
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be, so I don't even think about
Speaker 1: the art. And I just did a feature for seven
Speaker 1: weeks in February where I was one of the leads
Speaker 1: and it's a huge character arc, and it's like and
Speaker 1: again I read the script back and forth, and then
Speaker 1: on the day, you can't possibly be thinking about that.
Speaker 1: It's just too burdensome. It's too much to think of
Speaker 1: to go is this aligned with one? Especially with movies,
Speaker 1: very often it's like I know how this ends, and
Speaker 1: I know what I do at the end, and that
Speaker 1: doesn't but that hasn't happened yet. That doesn't elicit what's
Speaker 1: happening in scene twelve, Like twelve, I'm a different person
Speaker 1: because I haven't gone through this journey yet, right, And
Speaker 1: you go, well, seeing twelve, Mary, I'm doing seeing twelve today.
Speaker 1: Well this Mary well was seen like and then it's
Speaker 1: like you just think about that. Um no, you can't
Speaker 1: go there. And honestly, that was some of the best
Speaker 1: advice that he gave me. And then he also had said,
Speaker 1: if you have any ideas and you want to try ship,
Speaker 1: he said, do a drink blocking And then he that
Speaker 1: day he literally pointed at actors and said look at everyone,
Speaker 1: to look around. You said, everyone's just sucking around. They're
Speaker 1: on their phones. And he was like, but he's like,
Speaker 1: you can suck around he's like, you're gonna have fun.
Speaker 1: Keep working around. He's like, because I love that. But
Speaker 1: he's like, blocking, isn't that time when you're supposed to
Speaker 1: just you know, dick around and whatever. He's like, a
Speaker 1: lot of people think the blocking is just to kind
Speaker 1: of hit the marks, get the crew to come out
Speaker 1: and figure out the lighting to that. But he's like,
Speaker 1: it's really your time to experiment and try something and
Speaker 1: then and then the director will usually comes blocking because
Speaker 1: it's a crew, I guess because it's like a crew,
Speaker 1: Like they block for the crew. Um, you know that
Speaker 1: is very like mark heavy and whatever stepped through. But
Speaker 1: like I've always treated that, that's like a rehearsal. That's
Speaker 1: rehearsal time because also you don't know what your partners
Speaker 1: come in with either, Like your scene partners come in
Speaker 1: with different ideas, they've read the script through a different lens.
Speaker 1: You don't know what's going to happen there, and you
Speaker 1: it's that time to have those conversations, um, a bit
Speaker 1: of give and take and figure that stuff out. You Also,
Speaker 1: very often we would walk into sets that we didn't know,
Speaker 1: so they would be described to us. We were like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's a whole bunch of different ship in here that like, actually,
Speaker 1: I think I would be over at this and in
Speaker 1: my head I have me over at this thing or
Speaker 1: whatever it is, you know. Um, So yeah, that rehearsal time,
Speaker 1: it is fundamental. Well, you always there's certain things. Once
Speaker 1: you're you can read a scene and you can do
Speaker 1: your prep and you can do your work and figure
Speaker 1: it out. Once you're in the space with everyone else,
Speaker 1: inevitably something will change and you'll find something else, or
Speaker 1: a new beat or a new color, or some something
Speaker 1: will have some magic will happen. But if you don't
Speaker 1: properly give your time and energy to that rehearsal, you're
Speaker 1: never going to find that magic. And I completely agree,
Speaker 1: and he had really and I remember she pointed to
Speaker 1: people and people were on their phones dicking around, and
Speaker 1: he's like, look, you can try something new, and if
Speaker 1: the director doesn't like it, they'll say that's a good idea.
Speaker 1: But I was thinking of this, and and he's like,
Speaker 1: or they're just gonna be like, that's a stupid idea.
Speaker 1: I was thinking this, And to this day I still
Speaker 1: kind of do it like that. I still very I'm
Speaker 1: not I should I very much do it like that,
Speaker 1: and it's a gamble. Sometimes the directors like that was awesome.
Speaker 1: Not what I was thinking, but that was awesome, Or
Speaker 1: sometimes they're like, oh yeah, totally, let's do it like that.
Speaker 1: But it's like, those are the things I didn't know,
Speaker 1: and those are the things that he taught me, and
Speaker 1: those are the things that made it less daunting his
Speaker 1: time with But it's a yeah, it's learning man as well.
Speaker 1: Like that that, especially in that rehearsal process. I had
Speaker 1: one once I was doing a movie Holy Ship. This
Speaker 1: is the most embarrassing thing probably career wise, it's ever
Speaker 1: happened to me. And it was we were doing the
Speaker 1: rehearsal when I did something I kind of remember what
Speaker 1: it was, and everyone, like the entire crew we won,
Speaker 1: laughed because they thought I was joking. They thought I
Speaker 1: was working around and I was so embarrassed because I
Speaker 1: was like, that was that was just what I was
Speaker 1: going to do. That was like, that was like a
Speaker 1: serious choice on my part. Had to immediately, Like I
Speaker 1: didn't obviously say that. I was just in my head.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I can't do it that way.
Speaker 1: To fix this immediately, it's dreadful. You that's you learn,
Speaker 1: and you'd like figure things out with different sets and
Speaker 1: different crews and just career wise, like that was bad choice.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have too. I'm glad that didn't make it
Speaker 1: to camera because that would have been terrible. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: you made a choice. That's the important I made a choice,
Speaker 1: and you you redirected. But talking about learning things, you know,
Speaker 1: you and Isaiah during season one got to establish the
Speaker 1: werewolves and what they are and their their pack and
Speaker 1: sort of that energy and that camaraderie than the pack
Speaker 1: that you have. Did you did you feel that or
Speaker 1: was that something it just sort of happened or what
Speaker 1: tell us about that? Because you you are the werewolf
Speaker 1: master of a few. It wasn't planned, but it was.
Speaker 1: I definitely felt it without a doubt, and and I
Speaker 1: largely attribute that to because like he he kind of
Speaker 1: took people, and he took me in, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, and he showed me the ropes like he
Speaker 1: he immediately right off the start established a relationship. Like
Speaker 1: I think within two days of being on that show,
Speaker 1: I get a text message from him. I'm like, how
Speaker 1: did discussion whatever? And he's like, let's hang out, let's
Speaker 1: do that and it's just like because he's Isaah and
Speaker 1: he's such a nice guy. And like I said, I
Speaker 1: saw him of however long that commercial was a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago, and like he literally he literally was like
Speaker 1: are you ever in l A? And I was like yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm how was in l A? And
Speaker 1: I go to l A to train like cars stuff
Speaker 1: and my wife and I almost moved there actually before COVID.
Speaker 1: But I was like, yeah, I was in l A,
Speaker 1: you know, a few months ago. And he genuinely took
Speaker 1: offense that I didn't let him know that I was there.
Speaker 1: And I was like, stop it. I was like, you're
Speaker 1: just saying that, Like you're just being one of those actors.
Speaker 1: We've all worked on film sets, we've all been on
Speaker 1: movies and TV shows or everyone's like let's hag out forever,
Speaker 1: let's be best friends forever, and then picture rap songs
Speaker 1: and everyone's like goodbye, and then you never see the
Speaker 1: same and and I mean, and it's not to be
Speaker 1: jaded if we work in the circus, right, this is
Speaker 1: simply what it is. And but he genuinely was like no,
Speaker 1: He's like, why didn't you call me? I was like,
Speaker 1: you're just saying that. I was like, you don't need
Speaker 1: to say that, and he was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: He's like and then and I knew he was at
Speaker 1: kidding because he was like, no, no, He's like, I
Speaker 1: got a call from this person and this person, and
Speaker 1: you think I picked up for them. He's like, ah,
Speaker 1: He's like, he's like, but if you call me, I
Speaker 1: will pick up. And he was genuinely upset. And I said, look,
Speaker 1: next time i'm there, I promise I'll come over and
Speaker 1: we'll have dinner. And he's like, he's like you better.
Speaker 1: He's like please, And and anyway to go back to that,
Speaker 1: this is the wolf Pack relationship is hard to percent
Speaker 1: him because he essentially he's the one who created that.
Speaker 1: And even now to this day. That's another thing, like
Speaker 1: when I go on a set, like if I'm a leader,
Speaker 1: if I'm showing up as a guest story, even if
Speaker 1: I'm there as part of a core team for stunt people,
Speaker 1: like on a stunt team, it's like that's a big
Speaker 1: part of your job if you're in one of these positions,
Speaker 1: whether it be lead or on a core team or
Speaker 1: even showing up as a guest. So it's like you
Speaker 1: gotta show up, not just to act, but you've got
Speaker 1: to show up to help strengthen everyone, Like you don't
Speaker 1: want to show up and everyone goes, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Tom is back, Like, oh my god, where does he
Speaker 1: just needed to use as the example that seems very unfair,
Speaker 1: But whatever's wine, we'll pay by well, I just we
Speaker 1: do this. We just go, hey, so the producer's now,
Speaker 1: can we just get the scissors out? We'll just cut
Speaker 1: that but out because fuck him, just get rid of that. No,
Speaker 1: I'm kidding to both, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like you, it's it's your duty. It's your duty to
Speaker 1: show up at work every day. And and we all
Speaker 1: have bad days, we all have days that are harder,
Speaker 1: but it's like it's kind of your duty to show
Speaker 1: up and and not only act, but like you have
Speaker 1: to hold yourself up to that standard of like, hey guys,
Speaker 1: let's let's do this together. Let's get through this together,
Speaker 1: let's have some laughs. And he's the one who taught
Speaker 1: me that, So I definitely felt that wolf pack thing,
Speaker 1: but that is all attributed to him. That it's all him,
Speaker 1: Like he showed me how to be like that, and
Speaker 1: I still carry that forward. You had quite the journey
Speaker 1: with us. Tell us about your is there's anything that
Speaker 1: sticks out, like, is there a day on set that
Speaker 1: is exemplary of what Chadow Undress was to you, or
Speaker 1: your last day on set, or or you know, other
Speaker 1: than the werewolf teeth debacle, the forgotten teeth, the forgotten
Speaker 1: teeth that they forgot to buy. Um, you know it's true, guys,
Speaker 1: they didn't even fit in my mouth. Um the put
Speaker 1: them in. What the hell is this? Um? Oh that's
Speaker 1: my tenant, she's saying, hi, hi, hi, um. We have
Speaker 1: a tenant inner basement. They're lovely, they're like family. I
Speaker 1: tell them that they're not allowed to move, and if
Speaker 1: they ever try and move, I'll keep them hostage and
Speaker 1: basically keeping them hostage by not raising their rent. This
Speaker 1: is sounding a lot less like a tenant and a
Speaker 1: lot more like a prisoner. I heard basement and then
Speaker 1: the threats. And maybe this is when we tell our
Speaker 1: producers to cut this out. Yeah, snippy, snippey, let's get that.
Speaker 1: Or maybe we shouldn't. Maybe we should leave it out
Speaker 1: there because someone's missing at I don't know, man, I
Speaker 1: don't know. We have a separate apartment like a separate
Speaker 1: engine is completely separate unit that goes downstairs. But these
Speaker 1: they're like, I don't want to raise their rent because
Speaker 1: if they left, I don't know what I would do.
Speaker 1: They're like family, we love them anyway. Um, oh that's
Speaker 1: really sweet. Yeah, And my wife and I tell them like,
Speaker 1: if you guys get married and we're not invited to
Speaker 1: the wedding, we're going to crash the wedding. He's just spectacle.
Speaker 1: Um anyway, Um, what was I saying before? We're talking
Speaker 1: about my prisoners moments that stick out honestly, and I
Speaker 1: know this might sound silly, but when I think back
Speaker 1: on Shadow Hunters, I think that on being at base
Speaker 1: camp and bantering with people, those are my fondest moments,
Speaker 1: Like just especially the days where everybody was there, like
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, Like the whole cast
Speaker 1: was there and you were like, oh, you're just it's
Speaker 1: like being it felt like being in university or high school.
Speaker 1: You're just walking through the hallway and you're like, oh hey,
Speaker 1: oh hey, oh hey, And it was there was just
Speaker 1: there was an infectious energy about it. Everyone was so
Speaker 1: happy to be there, and like you said, some of
Speaker 1: some of us myself included. These were bigger, newer jobs
Speaker 1: for us, so everyone was just eager to do a
Speaker 1: good job. And I mean I still see that on
Speaker 1: set now, but it's just everyone was a bit younger,
Speaker 1: everyone was eager, and it's just like it was just
Speaker 1: a good vibe. So my favorite, my my fondest memories
Speaker 1: are of being at base camp in all the trailers
Speaker 1: and just hanging out. It's so rare, even particularly now
Speaker 1: post pandemic, that everyone gets to be in the same
Speaker 1: space and just hanging out with your guard down, just
Speaker 1: chilling out and bonding if on set and that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's what Shadow Undrews was. And I think you saw
Speaker 1: that chemistry on screen between all of us cast food
Speaker 1: and then the rest. It is so good and honestly like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've had a good scene and there was good stuff.
Speaker 1: But when I think of a job, I really like
Speaker 1: it's the relationships that you have with people. That's what
Speaker 1: makes you have agree And I mean, and that's what
Speaker 1: you think back or at least person that's what I
Speaker 1: think back on and go, oh that time that day
Speaker 1: was really fun because f Y and Z, I'm not
Speaker 1: like I killed it during that scene. People are gonna
Speaker 1: love it, you know what I mean? Like, it's not
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think like that. I mean that's
Speaker 1: what we thought about you, like, oh, man, Joel is
Speaker 1: so great. I can remember days on set where we
Speaker 1: would look around and be like, wait, Joel hasn't been
Speaker 1: here in a long time. Where is Joel? And we
Speaker 1: go to the writers and in the eighties were like,
Speaker 1: is Joel coming back? When is Joel come? When? You
Speaker 1: guys the reason why I kept coming back? Maybe I
Speaker 1: never said that one time, he said, noticing the time.
Speaker 1: In fact, a lot of the opposite. When you were
Speaker 1: on set, I was like, hey, can we just are
Speaker 1: we going to kill him anytime? Put some big teeth
Speaker 1: in and just end it. That would be great. Don
Speaker 1: still your teeth and hit them in his trailer. That's
Speaker 1: why they went and the teeth, they said. They were like,
Speaker 1: we don't know how to kill him. I was like,
Speaker 1: give me eight dollars and twenty minutes I'll figure out.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah it was. And it's crazy to think
Speaker 1: it was eight years ago. Mind bending cat. When you
Speaker 1: said that, I didn't realize it was that long ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you're twenty six. I'm thirty nine, don what
Speaker 1: are you now? Two? Yeah? Oh my god, you hit
Speaker 1: your ties anymore? When you hit your thirties, where you like,
Speaker 1: I feel old? Dir like? Are your hangovers? Were? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, dude, the first hangover of my thirties. I
Speaker 1: never heard anything like it, and I didn't like. I
Speaker 1: went out and celebrated, but I didn't drink any more
Speaker 1: then I had done previously. But it was I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was a mental thing or like your
Speaker 1: body actually goes through a physical change that night. But
Speaker 1: I woke up that day and I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the worst I've ever heard my entire life.
Speaker 1: Maybe cumulatively, maybe if you put together all of the
Speaker 1: hangovers from the rest of my life, this is what
Speaker 1: this feels like. It's absolutely the worst I've ever felt.
Speaker 1: And I came out. I was with my best friend
Speaker 1: that I came out, and I was just like sudden,
Speaker 1: like my skin was hanging off my face and I
Speaker 1: was just like, oh god, and he went, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: welcome to your theories. This is exactly what it feels like. Welcome,
Speaker 1: Welcome to your thirties. I haven't been drinking much in
Speaker 1: the last two weeks. Um because I had a concussion
Speaker 1: from a show two weeks ago. Yeah, you're getting right now,
Speaker 1: Like this morning when I woke up at six am,
Speaker 1: thinking that the podcast is at six am. I went
Speaker 1: back to bed and my wife said, she said, that
Speaker 1: was concussion, Joe, that's why you funked up. And I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, So you guys are getting like the
Speaker 1: water down version of me right now, because I thought
Speaker 1: you weren't supposed to sleep when you had a concussion.
Speaker 1: The title please, but I mean the concussion was too
Speaker 1: totally after concussion seventeen. You're like, listen, this is just
Speaker 1: a we don't want I honestly, I've had a Yeah
Speaker 1: I've had honestly, don probably close to seventeen. I bet
Speaker 1: you've had that many. Yeah, that is not good for you.
Speaker 1: You know how people say you get like four freebies.
Speaker 1: That is not the case at all. It's all very damaging.
Speaker 1: Tell us about this movie that you have coming up.
Speaker 1: We're we're so excited to hear about. Where can we
Speaker 1: see it? What's going on? Tell us? Tell us tell
Speaker 1: us everything. Uh, long story short, A stunt guy who's
Speaker 1: a good friend of mine. His friend wrote a script
Speaker 1: and then this is a low budget future like they
Speaker 1: got a million dollars to shoot this. It was a
Speaker 1: script that was written by a friend and then it
Speaker 1: was passed on to a guy who's written script for Netflix.
Speaker 1: And seven years later, this polished script came out and
Speaker 1: they got funding. They said no, they got funding, they
Speaker 1: said no, and then finally they said, you know what,
Speaker 1: We'll just pay for half the movie and then through
Speaker 1: tax credits and whatever, we'll get the rest of the money.
Speaker 1: So then they sent me the script. I read it
Speaker 1: and he called me. He said, did you read it?
Speaker 1: I said, I read it. He said, what did you think?
Speaker 1: I said, this interesting script. I really like it, and
Speaker 1: this one character. I really like this this one character.
Speaker 1: He said, oh, that's interesting, because we'd actually like you
Speaker 1: to read for that character. I said, oh, okay, So
Speaker 1: I read for it. I got it, the producers everybody
Speaker 1: liked me, and we shot it. UM. So basically what
Speaker 1: it's about is this American guy works for a mining
Speaker 1: company and they're stationed in Russia and they're doing some
Speaker 1: illegal activities. UM. The company unbeknounced to all the workers
Speaker 1: and the the offices get raided and most of the
Speaker 1: employees get thrown into these Russian gulags. Um. So he's
Speaker 1: a prisoner in this Russian bulag. And then he meets
Speaker 1: these two other Americans in the gulag, these two soldiers,
Speaker 1: and they're like, we're getting out of here. We've been
Speaker 1: we've been here for years. We're planning to get out.
Speaker 1: We need to we'll take you. Do you want to
Speaker 1: escape with us? And he's like sure. Um. And then
Speaker 1: and I'm really skipping a lot of steps here, but uh.
Speaker 1: And then they planned their escape and they leave. Cut
Speaker 1: to a few days later. Um, they're walking through the
Speaker 1: forest and they're trying to make their way to the
Speaker 1: to the finished border, um, to seek asylum. Um. They
Speaker 1: run into these two Russian prisoners, and the Russian prisoners go,
Speaker 1: thanks for letting us out, blah blah blah. Let's all
Speaker 1: work together and make our way to the border. And
Speaker 1: this one American, the initial guy, he isn't he isn't
Speaker 1: too bright. But the Russians go, you know that you're
Speaker 1: only they only brought you along because if they run
Speaker 1: out of food, they'll probably he's a heavier scent man.
Speaker 1: And this is what they used to do. Apparently, apparently
Speaker 1: this is very it's based on true stories and real accounts.
Speaker 1: In World War One world War two, they used to
Speaker 1: take a batter larger person when they would escape camps,
Speaker 1: prisoner of war camps, and they would actually eat them
Speaker 1: if they ran out of supplies. And that person was
Speaker 1: called Yeah, it's easy. That person was called the walking supply. Um.
Speaker 1: And this is this movie is called Walking Supply. Um.
Speaker 1: So this guy finds out that he is in fact
Speaker 1: the walking supply and he then tries to escape from
Speaker 1: the Americans in the woods and they hunt them down,
Speaker 1: and the movie is them. There's all of this that
Speaker 1: I've spoken about leading up to this, and then him
Speaker 1: trying to escape the Americans and it was shot. Can
Speaker 1: we see it? When? Can we see it? I think there.
Speaker 1: I got a rough cut of it a few days
Speaker 1: ago in classic. I didn't watch it. Um. And then um,
Speaker 1: they've got they already have people that are interested in
Speaker 1: buying it, so we'll see what happens. Um. It's a
Speaker 1: fairly dark movie. And uh, it was shot and I
Speaker 1: think we shot it in six weeks in Calgary, Northern Ontario,
Speaker 1: like all over the place. And it was six weeks
Speaker 1: of exteriors, rain or shy, not one single interior shot
Speaker 1: and it was crazy auditions like minus forty five, minus ten,
Speaker 1: minus twenty rain, snow mud. It was insane. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I shot that in February March, and then the minute
Speaker 1: I finished that, I think I had a week off.
Speaker 1: And then since then, I've been running about five shows
Speaker 1: at once. So I've been doubling the lead bad guy
Speaker 1: on an untitled um shorts Arnold Schwartzenegger project, his first
Speaker 1: TV series that he's ever done, so my last day
Speaker 1: is actually tomorrow, and then doing stunt driving on a
Speaker 1: Keith Or Sutherland show on and off all summer, and
Speaker 1: I've been stunt coordinating on another show for for people.
Speaker 1: I've been shooting a lot of car commercials, like I
Speaker 1: think last thank You, I think last two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Last week I did six shows in four days, like
Speaker 1: I wrapped on a show and then went on another
Speaker 1: show that night. So I've been I'm very I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't really use I don't like using this sort
Speaker 1: of but I'm blast, I'm grateful, I'm really busy. I'm
Speaker 1: really I'm really lucky. And then in terms of acting,
Speaker 1: I actually have two auditions that I have to hand
Speaker 1: in the minutem off the off this call with you guys.
Speaker 1: But I've gotten to a point where I've become very
Speaker 1: picky with acting, which is kind of nice. I have
Speaker 1: that luxury. You know, I don't need to do Pee
Speaker 1: Wee's Playhouse season two, Um, because I need the money.
Speaker 1: I can say no, I don't. I don't want to
Speaker 1: do this. I don't need to do you know, Christmas
Speaker 1: Love in Dubai, you know, volume four. I'm just making
Speaker 1: them titles as that going on here because I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't need it, so I can. I've become very
Speaker 1: picky and because of that, it's almost made me more
Speaker 1: sought after, which is weird. It's the weirdest thing. So
Speaker 1: now I only audition for the stuff I want, and um,
Speaker 1: because I'm lucky enough that I have a full career
Speaker 1: and stunts and stunt driving and that's it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: now I'm auditioning for a thing called the Valiant One.
Speaker 1: It's a project for eight weeks of Vancouver and I
Speaker 1: read the script. Any Oh, this is a great fit.
Speaker 1: I'll do it. So, I mean, I'm in a very
Speaker 1: very good position and I'm just so I'm just grateful
Speaker 1: every day. I'm like, man, I don't know how it
Speaker 1: got to this. I don't know how this happened, but
Speaker 1: I'll just keep I'll keep riding it until I'll keep
Speaker 1: riding this wagon until the wheels come off. Amazing. Buddy, Well, listen,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being on the show. It's
Speaker 1: been such a pleasure to talk to you again. Go
Speaker 1: down memory lane. Thanks for having me guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's I'm glad to see you guys are both well.
Speaker 1: You're also not. I mean, truly, it's been so wonderful
Speaker 1: to have you on the show, and we're so proud
Speaker 1: of you and everything that you're doing. Likewise, we miss you.
Speaker 1: I feel like I didn't ask you guys enough questions,
Speaker 1: so you're not here to ask us question not about us, man, Honestly,
Speaker 1: we're like halfway through. People are going to be so
Speaker 1: sick of us talking that having you talk lunacy for
Speaker 1: an hour is a nice reprieve from us being super
Speaker 1: dup lunacy with lots of wisdom. I'm happy you're both
Speaker 1: well and you guys both look good. Thanks, ma'am. Pete.
Speaker 1: Return to the Shadows hosted an executive produced by me
Speaker 1: Dominic Sherwood and Katherine McNamara. Our executive producers Lingley. Our
Speaker 1: senior producers are Liz Hayes and Diego Tapia. Our producer
Speaker 1: is Hannah Harris and Kristin Familia, and our intern is
Speaker 1: Sam Cats. Original music by Alex Kinsey, performed by Alex
Speaker 1: Kinsey and Katherine McNamara