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There's been some tremendous questions in 37 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: here that I haven't gotten to, and as you know, 38 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: I try to get to anywhere from three to five 39 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: every episode. But I figured, hey, let's use this first 40 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: week of the new year to sort of I view 41 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: the new year a bit as like spring cleaning, right 42 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: you want to. I'm not saying I'm going to get 43 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: to zero inbox, but in some ways I want to 44 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: get to zero inbox when it comes to the podcast 45 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: mail Bag, so that we can start building towards a 46 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: whole new year of questions and hopefully they won't pile 47 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: up as long. But I also I like having an 48 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: entire episode devoted to the mailbags. I don't feel like 49 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: I'm rushing on any of these fronts. So this is 50 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: the first part of a two part a couple of 51 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 1: Mailbag episodes, and the beauty is I'm going to go 52 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: all over the map here right. I got a list 53 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: of questions that are politics and policy, some about the 54 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: media industry, some about sports, books, personal, you name it. 55 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: So we're going to plow through all of it. Two 56 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: part are here. Here's part one. I'm going to climb through. 57 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: First question comes from Bart Bird from one of from home, 58 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: my future longtime residency I'm hoping, which is Penscola, Florida. 59 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: Thank you, Bart, first question, Thank you for not being 60 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: a crazy person. There you go. It's a strange start, 61 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: but there you have it. The real issue behind are 62 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: out of control deficit isn't coruption or tax cuts. It's 63 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: that Congress refuses to make our choices, which is per 64 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: the Constitution, literally their job. We need structural reform, like 65 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: a balanced budget amendment or a mandate to reduce the 66 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: debt by one percent a year to give the country 67 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: real fiscal goals. Again, you know, Bart, I think I 68 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: agree that I agree generally. I think where you're going, 69 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: which is, if Congress isn't forced to do these things, 70 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: they are not going to make these choices. And when 71 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: it comes to our debt, when it comes to the 72 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: balancing budgets, when it comes to making decisions to cut 73 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: spending or raise taxes, or you know, if you really 74 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: want a new government program, making the case and showing 75 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: how you pay for it and all those things, the 76 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: only way you're going to have them do it in 77 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: some sort of fiscally sane way is for a con 78 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: social amendment. You know, if we can continue to borrow money, 79 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: and when you're the when you're the number one country 80 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: in the world, we basically have the best credit in 81 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: the world. We can essentially borrow on our good name. 82 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 1: And that's what we've been doing is since the end 83 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: of World War Two, it has made us an economic juggernaut. 84 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: It has raised the standard of living. Trust me, the 85 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: standard of living in our poorest state is better than 86 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: many places in Europe and in Asia, including places that 87 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: you think are Western sort of first world places. That's 88 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: how successful we've been and growing our economy over the 89 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: last seventy or eighty years. But you're not wrong that 90 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: Congress is and inability. Now the issue is incentives, right, 91 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: you know, why is it so hard? Right? Getting rid 92 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: of a government program means you're making somebody mad, and 93 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: nobody runs to the polls to elect somebody to stop 94 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: giving out government benefits. Right, That's what we've learned. So 95 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: if if we're going to do this, then we have 96 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: to sort of force the choice making. Right, You've got 97 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: to force provisions into our constitution in order to force 98 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: new incentives on members of Congress. I think there are 99 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: a variety of ways to do this, you know. I 100 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: you know, one of my pet issues over the years, 101 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: I've always I've always wanted to mandate that every government 102 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: and to agency slash department have a sunset clause at 103 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: twenty five years, meaning that without Congress sort of essentially 104 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: re essentially repassing the bill to create recreating a Pentagon, 105 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: recreating a Homeland Security department, recreating a labor department, recreating 106 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: a health department. Right then every twenty five years you're 107 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: actually forced to rethink, okay, let's do that. What would 108 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: this look like if we were doing it from scratch. 109 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: In some ways, by always having these things continuous, you 110 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: end up you end up you end up having these 111 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: convoluted government agencies where there are some things that make 112 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: sense and then there are things over time that don't 113 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: make sense that they do it like, you know, after 114 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: a while, it made no sense the Secret Service was 115 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: within the Treasury Department. But if you sort of force 116 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: the sunsetting of every agency at twenty five years, then 117 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: when you re establish it because you say that this entity, no, no, no, no, 118 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: we need to we're going to have to have a 119 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: homeland Security department, but you basically reimagine it right from 120 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: day one, so that you have you think about some 121 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: more modern thing. You know, I would argue twenty five 122 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: years is a generation of time, and there are some 123 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: things that become obsolete, and there are some things that 124 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: government doesn't have to worry about overseeing after a twenty 125 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: five year period that maybe was crucial to Agency X 126 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: in there. So I've had there's provisions like that I've 127 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: thought about. But I think the point you're making, and 128 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: the point I would make, is none of this happens 129 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: unless it's unless it's part of the Instruction Manual of 130 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: governing the United States, and which means it's going to 131 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: have to be within a constitutional amendment before you're going 132 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: to get because how else are you going to create 133 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: the incentive? Creating a political incentive is very difficult when 134 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: it comes to the debt and deficit, that's for sure, 135 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: all right. Next question comes from William Watkins Temple Hills, Maryland, 136 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: as a fellow political history buff. I've often thought about 137 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: Trump's role in the GOP as analogous to Oliver Cromwell 138 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: disrupting traditional leadership and becomes sort of a lord protector 139 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: of the MEGA movement. Is there anyone within MEGA who 140 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: could serve as a George Monk type figure, someone to 141 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: reunite traditional conservatives in the megabase after Trump exits the stage, 142 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: or will the movement keep sharpening the guillotine French Revolution 143 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: style with no end to internal purges. I guess I've 144 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: looked at it as is, Look, we know it's going 145 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: to evolve, and it'll it'll evolve into something different. It 146 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: doesn't go away. I think one of this idea that 147 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: somehow Trump goes away, Maga goes away, it's more of Remember, 148 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: this wing of the party is always been there, just 149 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: was dormant for about seventy years. This was the most 150 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: this protectionist wing, sort of nativist wing, nationalist wing of 151 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: the party was more prominent in the twenties and thirties 152 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: version of the Republican Party. And then we had because 153 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: it was very dormant, you know, basically nineteen forty six 154 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 1: through twenty twelve, and so I guess you're you're asking, 155 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: you know, who's going to Is there somebody that could 156 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: bridge you know, Ronald Reagan bridged essentially the Goldwater wing 157 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: of the party and the Eisenhower wing of the party together, right, 158 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: because there was a common concern, and that was communism 159 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: in the Soviet Union. So it bridged this divide that 160 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: was there on some of these cultural issues that was 161 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: there on race and stuff. But it bridged the divide 162 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: because there was this common issue there I'm not, you know, 163 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: I actually think there's as good of a chance that 164 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: the realignment is so dramatic post Trump that there are 165 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: portions of it that end up in the far left, 166 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: in the Mamdani AOC Sanders Rocanna sort of you know, 167 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: wing of the of sort of the what I think 168 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: is becoming a more culturally neutral, working class left wing 169 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: of the party. We'll see. I think that, you know, 170 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: the the ultimate sort of conflict there is, I think 171 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: on some of these cultural issues where you have sort 172 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: of economic progressives and cultural progressives. Where they disagree is 173 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: on the emphasis on some of the social issues versus 174 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: the emphasis emphasis on economic issues. But anyway, I just 175 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: think that the entire MAGA wing is for play. I 176 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: find Marjorie Taylor Green to be an interesting sort of 177 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: avatar for the true believers in the Mega movement, and 178 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: I'm more convinced than ever that she might be a 179 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: player in twenty seven or twenty eight, whether she's running 180 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: or supporting somebody who's who's more of that. I think 181 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: Vance and Rubio both see themselves as bridge as the 182 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: bridge between the old Romney Ryan wing of the party 183 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: and the Trump wing of the party that doesn't mean 184 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: I think they'll be successful on that front. I think, 185 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 1: you know, I think this. I think the the UH 186 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: ant there's this faction of anti Semites that of Perkle 187 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: on the right, faction of xenophobes that percolated on the right, 188 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: faction of sort of religious intolerance on the right. I 189 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: think that that's going to come into conflict with other 190 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: parts of the Conservative coalition. So, you know, I think 191 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: the true believers in what really animated MAGA, the sort 192 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: of trying to culturally reset America, I think that they 193 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: I think it more likely disperses into multiple different factions. 194 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if it look I do. Do I 195 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: think it will stay cobbled together at least through twenty 196 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: thirty in some form, yes, I do. But losing if 197 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: the coalition loses in twenty eight the presidency, then it's 198 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: that's when it really starts to fragment, and we'll start 199 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: to see it in twenty thirty. But some of this 200 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: is I think more personality based. Then we give it 201 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: full of credit for it sort of is if you know, 202 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: I could make an argument that our politics of the 203 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: post World War two, you know, sort of in conjunction 204 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: with the rise of mass media has made the charismatic 205 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: political leader almost a necessity, and in some ways our 206 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: political our political movements have been led by sort of 207 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: cultural you know, larger than life figures. Eisenhower was right. 208 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: He may not have been charismatic, but when you're the general, 209 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 1: you know that saved the Western world, and then you're 210 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: an American president. He was sort of like in a 211 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: class by himself. Kennedy was a celebrity. President Nixon, in 212 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 1: his own way, became larger than life in some ways 213 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: because of his bad deeds as well as some of 214 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: the good deeds. You know, Carter and Ford just they 215 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: didn't have the charismatic chops, which is why neither which 216 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: is why they didn't survive. Right, You could look at 217 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: that's one theory of the case. Right and then Reagan. 218 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: So I think the better question is, is either Vance 219 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: or Rubio magnetic enough to keep this coalition together? Do 220 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: you need someone? Does it have to be a is 221 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: it going to end up being a pundit of some sort? 222 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: The version of Tucker Carlson of three years ago made 223 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: more sense to me than obviously the version of Tucker 224 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: Carlson today. So I'm not sure there's anybody is I 225 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: guess the short answer to that, But I do think 226 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: it in the same way the Reagan Coalition didn't start 227 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: splintering until I would argue, the nineteen ninety midterms and 228 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: the tax and the tax hike deal that George hw 229 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: Bush ended up signing. That sort of began, you know, 230 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: the rise of Gingrich and splinter off and sort of 231 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: this more sharpened right wing of the Republican Party. So, 232 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: you know, I just kind of think that it will 233 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: stay cobbled together in twenty eight out of this political necessity. 234 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: But if they don't win in twenty eight, and even 235 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: if they do, it probably really starts fragmenting a lot 236 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: more with the twenty thirty mid terms in the twenty 237 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: thirty two presidential All right, next question me, Chuck, What 238 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: if Mett Romney was president and he proposed the Affordable 239 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: Care Act? Would you have received the blowback from the 240 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: Republicans as Obama did. Well, I know why you're asking 241 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: the question, right, because the Affordable Care Act was modeled 242 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: essentially after romney Care in Massachusetts, which itself was based 243 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: on a framework that the Heritage Foundation came up with 244 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: in the nineties. As just a counter idea to what 245 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: the Clintons were proposing in the nineties, and so if 246 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: I could be you know, I've never been convinced that 247 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: the Conservative movement wanted to find this solution or whether 248 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: they just embraced the Heritage Foundation solution because they had 249 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: to have some plan if they were going to come 250 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: out against the Clinton plan on healthcare. I do think 251 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: you would have had I think that any sort of attempt. 252 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: I mean, look at if you want to see an 253 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: example of Republicans not falling in line just because a 254 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: Republican proposes it, look at the pushback Bush got when 255 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: he was expanding Medicare. Party. Here was a Republican instead 256 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: of fighting the expansion of Medicare, who was actually advocating 257 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: for the expansion of Medicare. That was a tough vote 258 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: for a lot of conservatives, and a lot of conservatives 259 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: will argue that the Tea Party. You know, before the 260 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: financial crisis, there was Medicare Party, and there was this 261 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: like the republic the Conservative movement had become as had 262 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: become as pro government as the liberal movement. That essentially 263 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: the Conservatives had turned into the party of using a 264 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: public private partnerships to expand the power of government rather 265 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: than just the public government, if you will, right, So 266 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I think the better question is would 267 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: any Democrats have embraced it or would you have had 268 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: two thirds of the party come out against it? Because 269 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: Romney was for it. Remember, a lot of Democrats struggled 270 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: to come out for Medicare party, even though in theory 271 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: it shouldn't have been that hard of a vote, but 272 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: it was because it was like, well, we don't like 273 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: the way they're doing it. So I think that there's 274 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: I think you could you know, that's the that's a 275 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: that's another counterfactual that you know when I look at 276 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: the conservative blowback that did show up a little bit. 277 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: I mean, that was a tough vote for Bush to 278 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: get through. They really had to muscle it through on 279 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: that front. So I you know, maybe he gets half 280 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: his party to embrace it. But the question I have 281 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: is how many Democrats would have embraced it if it 282 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: happened without the existence of the Affordable Care Act? Right? 283 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: Imagine Obama had failed in twenty eight, in twenty nine, 284 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: in twenty oh ten, right, twenty oh nine and ten, 285 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 1: and he doesn't get health Care done, and Romney runs 286 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: his campaign in twenty twelve on hey, I actually got 287 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: this done in Massachusetts. I'll get it done for America. 288 00:18:55,840 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: And is it so as a campaign talking point? Does 289 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: it increase Republican support? Maybe under that circumstance. I mean, 290 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: I was just trying to paint the circumstance where Republicans 291 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: might rally around this, and the one I could come 292 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: up with. Obama fails at getting universal health care done, 293 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: can't get the affordable air cat you know, basically doesn't happen. 294 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: And then Romney, as the twenty twelve nominee, runs as 295 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: the guy who the look it runs as the guy 296 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: who can implement healthcare. 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All right, I got three words for you 333 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: the Crystal City restaurant. What does that mean to you? 334 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 1: And I'll just leave it at that. I'm kidding. I'm 335 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: closely watching the Crockett versus tallerco primary in Texas and 336 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: Worri Crockett might win the primary but struggle in a 337 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: general election against Backston. Are there any broader sources beyond 338 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: the Texas Tribune and political instagram accounts that you'd recommend 339 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: for tracking this rate as we approach the primaries. Look, 340 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: I think Texas Tribune is going to be strong, but 341 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: then there's certain feeds. Look, you know you, this is 342 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: a race that is going to get more coverage than 343 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: it deserves. What do I mean by that in two thousand, Well, 344 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: actually you heard if you listen to Jonathan Martin and 345 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: I earlier this week when we dropped, we both sort 346 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: of lamented that the Texas Senate race is going to 347 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: get a larger share of coverage nationally compared to North Carolina. 348 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: Main basically everything that'll be more competitive. That's not to 349 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: say Texas might not be competitive. And Paxton versus Crockett 350 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: is the Senate race our politics deserves, right, this is 351 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: the Senate race that algorithms have created, and so we'll 352 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: find out. You know, if our AI algorithmic tech overlords 353 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: do control the information ecosystem as much as they appeared to, 354 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 1: then we're it's we're doomed for Crockett versus Tolerico. And 355 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: I say that, Excuse me, Crockett versus Paxton. I say that, 356 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: and it sounds like what I hate when I hate 357 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: putting in those terms because I don't want to. I 358 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: think Crockett is a is a good public servant. Ken 359 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: Paxton's a crook and a terrible, you know, low character. 360 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,719 Speaker 1: So I feel I don't like the idea that, you know, 361 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: but we're also realistic. We know Crockett will be polarizing 362 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: nominee period. So she's polarizing for just political views cultural views. 363 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: She's not polarizing because she's corrupt. Right. Paxton's polarizing because 364 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: he's corrupt first and foremost, so in that sense that 365 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: there shouldn't be an equation. And you know what we're 366 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 1: I think the uncomfortable aspect about Crockett versus Paxton is 367 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: could a corrupt guy win because simply because the Democratic 368 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: nominee is a black woman? Right? Is that how superficial 369 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: things are in Texas that they will take a corrupt, 370 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: impeached public official over a qualified African American woman because 371 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,479 Speaker 1: they think they don't like her Instagram feed? Right? I mean, 372 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: but hey, I'm not This is politics in twenty twenty six. So, 373 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: as I say all the time, I cover politics as 374 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: it is, not as I wish it were. This is 375 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: the reality. Okay. So I do think that Politico, Puck, 376 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: and punch Bowl are actually all three good places for 377 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: this race, in particular because leadership there is a there 378 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: is a lot of all of the micromanaging of these races. 379 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: Bringing in outside money is actually those were all that 380 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: reporting is gonna is going to come out of Washington, 381 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: so I would you know, Look, the Texas Tribune is 382 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: going to be on top of this more than anybody else, 383 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: and it's going to be the best source hard stop. 384 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: My friend Abbi Livingston, who works for PUCK, used to 385 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: be at the Texas Tribune. She's going to own this too. 386 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: So that's why you should pay attention to PUCK because 387 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: of specifically a reporter there that covers that knows Texas 388 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: like the back of her hands. She grew up in 389 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: Fort Worth. She just knows, which our argues is important 390 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: of a areas there is these days in Texas politics, 391 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 1: So follow her at PUCK in particular. But Puck's political 392 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: reporting over there as well. You know both the Dallas 393 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: Morning News. The Dallas Morning News, uh has is not 394 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: you know it is. It isn't what it once was, 395 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,239 Speaker 1: but it's not as it hasn't been as gutted as 396 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: other major market papers. So I do think that they're 397 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: worth a follow on this, that they're covering it closely. 398 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: You've allow a lot of Dallas based figures in here. Anyway. 399 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: They know Jasmine Crockett very well, so I'd throw those 400 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: two on there to keep up with this race, but 401 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: it's going to be the most If you're looking for content, 402 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: and even good content on this race, there's going to 403 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: be a plethora of it. What's going to be frustrating 404 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: is the lack of good content on Mississippi Senate, on 405 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: Alabama Governor, on Kansas Senate, on Iowa s it, which 406 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: are arguably going to be as competitive, if not more so. Okay, 407 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: but I digress. Next question comes from another Texan, Kelly 408 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: from Aubrey, Texas. Hey, I recently found your podcast. I 409 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: really enjoy it. Thank you, Thank you for finding it. 410 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: Tell your friends, tell your neighbors, and like and subscribe please. 411 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: With transgender rights being a central issue in the twenty 412 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: twenty five goubernatorial races in New Jersey and Virginia, do 413 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: you think Republicans will make it a broader campaign strategy 414 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six. Will they stick to familiar topics 415 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: like sports and bathrooms or push further into areas like 416 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: adult care or legal recognition. In Texas, we've already seen 417 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: proposed legislation criminalizing trans people for not disclosing their identity. 418 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: Could this become more widespread. Well, I'm going to be 419 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: extraordinarily cynical in how I answer this question, Kelly, in 420 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: that the trans issue is one that shows up when 421 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: there are other issues sort of in the way of 422 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: the messaging for the right. So, you know, you had 423 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: a weak economy and an unpopular president in the White House, 424 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: so Republicans had to you know, how do you paint 425 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: the Democrats is out of touch? And both of them 426 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: were moderate Democrats national security credentials. They didn't both Abigail S. 427 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: Bamberger and Mikey Cheryl, they didn't come from the left 428 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: wing of the Democratic Party. They very much came from 429 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: the more center left of the party. And I think 430 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: trans issues in general are used to try by the right, 431 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: by consultants on the right to try to paint Democrats 432 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: is out of the mainstream right, and it's been a 433 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: and a lot of So how else do you do that? 434 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: You do that by having by putting some legislation on 435 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: the floors of state legislatures, legislatures or Congress to sort 436 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: of create uncomfortable wedge votes that may not actually put 437 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: anything into law, but sort of put surfaces and issues. 438 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: My point is is that I don't think, you know, 439 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: I think a lot of these transgender issues run counter 440 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: to the libertarian conservative that also matters too, that still 441 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: exists on the right, you know, the sort of live 442 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: and let live. You know, I'm not going to you know, 443 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: get you know, you you know, you don't. I won't 444 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: go into your bedroom. You don't come into my bedroom. Right, 445 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: and they're particularly out west. The libertarian conservatives still exists, 446 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: if you will on that front. If this economy gets 447 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: more sour, I mean, I absolutely look it. What did 448 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: Democrats do? They didn't. They were trying to pivot away 449 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: from Biden, knowing Biden was a bit was was sort 450 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: of was. They couldn't really run on Biden's policies, so 451 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: they ran on another issue in twenty two. Right, when 452 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: do they run on abortion rights? Right? This is if 453 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: you can't run with Trump and you can't run on 454 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: Trump's economy. Well, the other ways into swing voters are 455 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: these cultural issues. Now. The problem is these cultural issues 456 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: don't resonate unless the economy is humming, right. They resonate 457 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: more when the economy is going well. When the economy 458 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: is not going well, then it looks like you're afraid 459 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: of confronting the issues that matter. You know, you're you 460 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: know and that, and it's why these trans issues, this 461 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: trans anti trans campaigning did not work in those two races. 462 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: It's not that they are blue states. They did not 463 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: work because the economic messages were simply stronger and more relevant. 464 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: So to answer your question, I think you will see 465 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: more attempts at bringing these cultural issues in because there 466 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: that's what you do when you can't run on bread 467 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: and butter. That's what the Democrats do it when they 468 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: can't run on bread and butter. For their side, you know, 469 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: they find cultural issues that they think create a wedge 470 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: on the right, that that paint a conservative is out 471 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: of the mainstream. That's where abortion rights comes in, same 472 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: sex marriage, things like that. And then I think in 473 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: some cases trans writes fit right now fall into that 474 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: same bucket when it comes to campaign strategy. All right, 475 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: next question here comes from Yari and he writes, Hey, Chuck, 476 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: friends suggested your pod after a discussion we had recently, 477 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: and I wanted to hear your take. My sister's Instagram 478 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: business account, used to promoter nail Salon was permanently suspended 479 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: by Metaphor allegedly violating child sexual exploitation policies despite having 480 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: no such content. She's appealed without success, and it seems 481 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: this is happening the thousands of other users based on 482 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: flawed AI moderation. Yep. Do you see space for this 483 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: kind of issue, especially how metas policies are affecting small businesses, 484 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: to discussed more widely in the media. Boy, I look this, 485 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: I think this is this gets it to a larger 486 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: issue that I think is going to be going to resignate, resignate, 487 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: resonate quite a bit in both twenty twenty six and 488 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: more so in twenty twenty eight. The fact that you know, 489 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: we're we're not going to be for a computer deciding 490 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: whether or not our insurance company is going to cover 491 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,239 Speaker 1: a certain procedure that a doctor recommends, and we're not 492 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: going to tolerate a computer deciding whether or not I 493 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: can advertise my business on Instagram. And you know, right 494 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: now there's a lot of this. You know, all of 495 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: this stuff is trying to be automated. They're trying to 496 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: automate all of it. And one could argue there's an 497 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: eight you know that it might be an eighty to 498 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: eighty five percent successful thing to do the problem is 499 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: when you when you you know, you may think, oh geez, 500 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: we're it works well for about eighty five percent of 501 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: this you know, to use AI to do this, but 502 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: for the fifteen percent it doesn't work well with that's 503 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: a huge you know, that's still millions of people, right, 504 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: you know, what's ten percent of the American population, thirty 505 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: three million people? Right, So you know, I always try 506 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: to remind myself of raw numbers sometimes instead of percentages, 507 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: to sort of truly put this. And so the point 508 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: why do I single that out? Because I think I've 509 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: not Your specific example is not one I've come across, 510 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: but it is similar to other examples I've heard, whether 511 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: it is in trying to get a mortgage application approved, 512 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: trying to get your resume read by a human being 513 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: versus an AI bot that sort of weeds it out. 514 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: This right, this is going to be I think where 515 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: a smart politician is going to exploit this fear. I 516 00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: think it's I think it's worthy fear. Right, But to 517 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: government has to regulate these algorithms more. Government has to 518 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: regulate this usage of AI when it comes to making 519 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: you know, a computer making decisions and impact actual human beings. 520 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: I think this is all going to be in under 521 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: that larger bucket and having if you're going to use 522 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: AI to make some of these decisions, you're going to 523 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: have to have a human resource person of some sort 524 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: that actually is there to adjudicate issues like the one 525 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: you've addressed in yours. And right now, these companies don't 526 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: want to do that. I mean try, you know, just 527 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: for your own exercise. I do it. Whenever I'm looking 528 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: to solve a problem, I always want to talk to somebody, 529 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: and they constantly want to put me into an AI 530 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: chat bot or an a you know, some sort of 531 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,479 Speaker 1: automated this, automated that, and you're constantly pushing zero or 532 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: one just to get to a see if you can 533 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: get to a live operator, a live person, and this 534 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: or that, and you know whatever it is. In every 535 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: company now, even regardless of whether they're a tech company 536 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: or not, makes it nearly impossible to find a human being. 537 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: I think this is going to just become a political 538 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 1: wedge issue, and I think companies that use human beings 539 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: are going to get rewarded and companies that don't are 540 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: going to get punished. And they're going to get punished 541 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: by the market. They're going to get punished by consumer behavior. 542 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: Maybe over time will be tolerant of this, but not 543 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: right away right And I think that that's where I 544 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: think this is going to be an issue that resonates 545 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 1: quite broadly within the electorate. It's going to cut across 546 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: ideological lines. You know, I don't know about you, but 547 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 1: if I were running for office, I'd run as a 548 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:03,359 Speaker 1: pro human, not as an anti human. And I think 549 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: it's very easy to be a populist on issues like this. 550 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: And I think with everybody sharpening the pitchforks and coming 551 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,399 Speaker 1: at the elites, you know, using a robot to deal 552 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: with actual human problems is I think going to be 553 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 1: a political net negative for the foreseeable future. So I 554 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: do think this will only get more attention, more coverage 555 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: of how AI is harming people's lives one way or 556 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: the other, all inadvertently perhaps, but how the lack that 557 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: basically this technology isn't working well enough yet to cut 558 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 1: the human element out. Hello, check and everyone at the podcast. 559 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: I'd love to hear a discussion about the ways that 560 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 1: Trump administration may try to rig the next election. Texas 561 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: mail and ballots, troops and blue cities, et cetera. What 562 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: other ways Trump try to affect the election. How effective 563 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: could they be? How would Dems fight back? Sent from 564 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 1: Planet Earth edge of the Milky Way. Well, look, I 565 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: understand this concern, and I'm not saying that it isn't 566 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: concern you should you know that this isn't something that 567 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: we should be vigilant about. But I think it's proving. 568 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: I guess what I would say is, I'm curious if 569 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: you're at all reassured that the redistricting efforts have actually 570 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: not gone as well as Trump thought they would, that 571 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 1: he's gotten more pushback in more places than he expected, 572 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: that Democrats have enough firepower to fight back and to 573 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: sort of marginalize this, that you actually do have a 574 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: Supreme Court that isn't a six' Three trump. Court it 575 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: is a three three three, court meaning there's three that 576 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: will support Whatever trump. Wants there's three that are going 577 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: to pose just about Anything trump, wants and there's three 578 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:06,919 Speaker 1: that are that are want to be favorable to conservative 579 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: principles but struggle with some of the things that are asked. 580 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: For right That's Robert barrett And, kavanaugh and And i'm 581 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: sure that doesn't give you you, KNOW i, KNOW i 582 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 1: know How barrett And kavanaugh and to a lesser Extent 583 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: roberts are seen by. Some but if you look at that, 584 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: court there's there's a just there's three distinctive, groups not 585 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: two and and The republican, appointees which is probably the 586 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: better way to describe. Them there's three distinctive, buckets. Right 587 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: one is one is a bit you, know one wants 588 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: to sort of roll back roll back. Time one is 589 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 1: trying to sort of live in the, moments, uh and 590 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: three are a bit more uh liberal or. Progressive SO 591 00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: i think THAT i guess What i'm saying is that 592 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: the things we should the things that would be concerning 593 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: me more as if he were trying to nationalize and federalize. 594 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: Things as long as the states have the power to 595 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: hold elections and the states have the power to just draw, 596 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: lines and the states have the power as long as 597 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: that stuff is still state, based it's it's you, know 598 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: if The Justice department gets more aggressive at at purging voter, 599 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: files that's when you, know those would be little things 600 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 1: that we could expect that WOULD i think raise some 601 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:42,919 Speaker 1: alarm bells if he if he messes around with the certification, 602 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: dates if he tries, to you, know create essentially loopholes 603 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: that would throw ballots out so they wouldn't be, counted you, 604 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: know saying all ballots have to be counted by a certain, 605 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,359 Speaker 1: date and you know that would usurp sort of state 606 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: authority about them deciding when does a postmark count things like. 607 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: THAT i GUESS i view that's where the alarm belt 608 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,360 Speaker 1: the more anything he tries to take away from states 609 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 1: when it comes to governing our, elections because what makes 610 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: our democracy safer than most democracies is the fact that 611 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: it is. Diffuse it is not you, know we don't 612 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 1: have a national election board holding all this, elections, Right 613 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 1: it is individual fifty states and within their counties and within, 614 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: there you. Know so that is what sort of can 615 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: prevent some voter, fraud and it can prevent some, shenanigans 616 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 1: and it certainly it just makes it harder to rig an. 617 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: Election doesn't mean it isn't, riggable as we saw with 618 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: some of the absentee ballot fraud we've seen with Those 619 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: republicans in That North carolina congressional. District there was A 620 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:58,240 Speaker 1: miami runoff back in the nineteen ninety, nine so THAT'S 621 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: i guess that's a way Why i'm not as it's 622 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 1: on my list of, concerns but it's not on my 623 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 1: top five list of. Concerns all, right next question in 624 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: this policy. Face that's the last one on That love the. 625 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: PODCAST i wanted your take on a few proposed constitutional. 626 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: Amendments all. Right, FIRST i think impeachment And senate conviction 627 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,280 Speaker 1: votes should be confidential to reduce, partisanship like jury. Votes, 628 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: huh so members can vote their. Conscience that is an interesting. 629 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:43,320 Speaker 1: Idea that should all impeachment trials be secret ballot for 630 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 1: the jurors AKA us. Senators. Huh that that is a 631 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:55,399 Speaker 1: Huge that is a that is a fascinating. Idea let's 632 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 1: just SAY i agree my instinct just to agree with this, 633 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 1: Idea so thank, you B ray that's who wrote. This all. Right, 634 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,400 Speaker 1: SECOND i SUPPORT scotus reforms like twenty two year term, 635 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 1: limits expanding to eleven seats and guaranteeing each president two 636 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: appointments per term with Timely senate. Votes, Finally i'd like 637 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: to see federal elections reformed with ranked choice, voting open, 638 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: primaries and Expanded house representation under The Wyoming rule to 639 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 1: reduce partisanship and improve access for independent. Thoughts, WELL i 640 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: assume The wyoming rule, is you, know the idea of 641 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,439 Speaker 1: of you. Know, note look right, Now wyoming has six 642 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 1: times the voting power for president That california. DOES A 643 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,839 Speaker 1: california voter, does, right an individual In wyoming has six 644 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 1: times more, influence, right and their vote counts. More if 645 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,319 Speaker 1: you doubled the size of The house Of, representatives that 646 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: would go down to two and a half, times which 647 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 1: would to, me is the right say that's a better 648 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 1: ratio because our founders did want small states to have some, advantages, 649 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: right to be to sort of punch above their, weight 650 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,920 Speaker 1: not get overwhelmed by the large. States BUT i don't 651 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: think they wanted our large states to have very little 652 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 1: influence on the ultimate. Outcome so six times the power 653 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 1: seems a little absurd for the small. States two and 654 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,400 Speaker 1: a half times feels a bit more. Prescient SO i 655 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 1: want To i'm hoping that is The wyoming rule that 656 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 1: you're referring, to SINCE i sort of that's been part 657 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,319 Speaker 1: of my plan to expanding The house Of, representatives, which 658 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 1: by the, way you don't need a constitutional amendment for 659 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,720 Speaker 1: this is a it's up to The house Of, representatives 660 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,239 Speaker 1: just An act Of. Congress they used to do it 661 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 1: every year or excually every ten. Years it was part 662 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,359 Speaker 1: of The it was with The. Senate we haven't done 663 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,880 Speaker 1: it since nineteen, ten and they disagreed on how to 664 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 1: do it nineteen, twenty and by nineteen thirty they locked 665 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,799 Speaker 1: us into four and thirty Five house. MEMBERS i think 666 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 1: that's been a huge. Mistake there's no doubt we need. 667 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,319 Speaker 1: That the only ONE i take issue with IS i 668 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 1: don't why do we guarantee HE i don't think you should. 669 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 1: Guarante we shouldn't guarantee any presidential term a certain number of. 670 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:11,719 Speaker 1: APPOINTMENTS i just, don't, RIGHT i think that THAT'S i 671 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 1: think if you're going to put in sort of either 672 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 1: age limits or service limits for the federal, government AND i, 673 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,400 Speaker 1: would by the, way service limits is the WAY i 674 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,400 Speaker 1: would word, it because it should be both elective and. Appointed, 675 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:32,239 Speaker 1: RIGHT i think twenty two years that's a pretty good. 676 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 1: One that feels better than eighteen in twenty two years, 677 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:44,759 Speaker 1: combined you, know, say of combined service an elective or 678 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 1: appointed Pointed senate confirmed. Office you could make it. There you, 679 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,320 Speaker 1: know offices that Are senate confirmed By, cabinet secretary Of 680 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,799 Speaker 1: Supreme court, judges et. Cetera so twenty two years feels 681 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 1: pretty feels pretty good on that. Front maybe you would 682 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,879 Speaker 1: extend it to twenty eight if you Combined congressional all 683 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: of it is, one but guaranteeing each president two appointments 684 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 1: per term is you, know none of, this none of 685 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,480 Speaker 1: this will ever sort of be, clean right because you 686 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:20,760 Speaker 1: Know Supreme court members might you, know don't die on a, schedule, 687 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,719 Speaker 1: Right nobody dies on a, Schedule so no matter how 688 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,120 Speaker 1: much you try to schedule, THINGS i think that that 689 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,640 Speaker 1: that that makes it difficult to abide. By but that's 690 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:36,400 Speaker 1: that's me being in. Technicality AND i assume you're expanding 691 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,799 Speaker 1: to eleven seats because if we have eleven, circuits maybe 692 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 1: you have one per. Circuit that THAT i think you 693 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,319 Speaker 1: don't expand THE Us Supreme court more than the number 694 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: of circuits that we, have SO i COULD i could 695 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 1: see that tying that. Together but that doesn't need to 696 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 1: have a constitutional amendment. Either by the, way the age 697 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,480 Speaker 1: limits have to be in the constitution because we put 698 00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 1: age minimums in the, constitution but this other stuff doesn't 699 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 1: have to be in the. Constitution that's an act of, 700 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,239 Speaker 1: this that's An act Of. Congress on that, one They 701 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 1: congress can. Decide you, know they've, expanded they've created new, circuits, 702 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,319 Speaker 1: right they can keep doing. This they've created all the 703 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,239 Speaker 1: entire sort of ecosystem of the courts was created by 704 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 1: acts of. Commerce so all of this could be. Done 705 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 1: you don't need on that. One you don't need. THAT 706 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 1: i do think a constitutional amendment that prevents partisan, primaries 707 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,279 Speaker 1: LIKE i. DON'T i actually think you shouldn't need. ONE 708 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: i think there's a case to be. Made you've heard 709 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,439 Speaker 1: me rant about this before THAT i think the equal 710 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,200 Speaker 1: protection clause is violated the minute you tell ME i 711 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,279 Speaker 1: can't vote in A republican Primary democratic primary Because i'm 712 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,320 Speaker 1: not a member of that private club that's not a government. 713 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,000 Speaker 1: Entity The Democratic party of The Republican party is not 714 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,240 Speaker 1: a government entity at. All it's a Private it's a private, club, 715 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: right the political. Party it's a private. Club and you're 716 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,680 Speaker 1: telling me taxpayer dollars are funding a a an election 717 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,200 Speaker 1: that not everybody's allowed to vote. It how is that 718 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,400 Speaker 1: not a violation of equal? Protection SO i THINK i 719 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,279 Speaker 1: actually think we just need better, lawyering and we would 720 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,160 Speaker 1: probably could get rid of partisan primaries without a constitutional. 721 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,719 Speaker 1: Amendment but if you're saying we need, one, Man i'm 722 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,000 Speaker 1: all for. It where you cannot all you cannot hold 723 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 1: an election that isn't open to all voters in that, district, 724 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,640 Speaker 1: precinct or, state. Hardstop maybe we just have to have 725 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,120 Speaker 1: a straight up constitutional amendment that does. That all, Right 726 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,200 Speaker 1: i'm going to do one more question with part one 727 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,319 Speaker 1: here and then we're going to get into part. Two hey, 728 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,800 Speaker 1: check longtime, listener first time. Writer, well all, right fellow 729 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 1: cheesehead behind Enemy lines In, Stillwater. Minnesota, hey, good look at. 730 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,480 Speaker 1: That and you know, What i've always felt, This The 731 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,319 Speaker 1: bears have stunk my whole, lifetime except for like you, 732 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 1: know two, flashes, right the eighty Five bears and the 733 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:57,360 Speaker 1: Accidental Super Bowl bear Super bowl Appearance bears with the 734 00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,960 Speaker 1: back in the in the mid mid ODDS i think 735 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,319 Speaker 1: it was or. Whatever but, ultimately The bears have been 736 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,840 Speaker 1: terrible in my. Life i've NEVER i, know it's the 737 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:10,120 Speaker 1: longest rivalry for The, packers but it's for, me The, 738 00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:14,280 Speaker 1: vikings they've been the chief. Rival so, yes enemy enemy 739 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,040 Speaker 1: lines is the Correct And Britt farv was in that 740 00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,720 Speaker 1: horrible purple uniform and all of those. Things so, ANYWAY 741 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,600 Speaker 1: i just want to get it straight to all My viking, 742 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,680 Speaker 1: friends and this means, you my Friend dennis, McDonough WHO 743 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,280 Speaker 1: i know is a. Listener The vikings they're the RIVAL 744 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,200 Speaker 1: i take the most seriously as A packer. Fan The 745 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,160 Speaker 1: bears whatever you, know they're they're sort Of it's not 746 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 1: a rivalry if you haven't won in a, while, Right 747 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:44,440 Speaker 1: vikings they've been tougher, Anyway BUT i. Digress here's your, Question. 748 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,680 Speaker 1: Jake is it really as there are some game between 749 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,960 Speaker 1: legacy and independent media or is traditional media is still 750 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,279 Speaker 1: essential for news while independence mostly react and. Analyze also 751 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,759 Speaker 1: loved Hearing packers. Talk are they just playing spoiler now 752 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,279 Speaker 1: or can they make a real playoff? Front let, MEAN i, 753 00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 1: WILL i. Will this is a good way to make 754 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,239 Speaker 1: this last of this, RIGHT i get to end with 755 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,880 Speaker 1: the little. Sports but, no it's funny you say. That 756 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,279 Speaker 1: let me give you my sense of where you, know 757 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,120 Speaker 1: mainstream media is, dead long lived mainstream. Media that's been 758 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 1: my mantra of. Late what DO i mean by? That 759 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:18,400 Speaker 1: mainstream media constantly is evolving and. Changing we just don't 760 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,920 Speaker 1: mark time very well with. IT i don't know how 761 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,640 Speaker 1: familiar you are with something Called life, magazine BECAUSE i 762 00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,600 Speaker 1: don't want to presume that you're of a certain age 763 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,360 Speaker 1: that remembers When Life magazine was. Relevant but there was a. 764 00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,600 Speaker 1: Time Life magazine And Look magazine were two of the 765 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:43,719 Speaker 1: most important news entities out there because they were one 766 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,640 Speaker 1: of the few places you could get the pictures of 767 00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,040 Speaker 1: the events that were taking place around the world or 768 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:55,000 Speaker 1: in this. Country and you, know they became essential parts 769 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,439 Speaker 1: of mainstream media for a period of time for about fifty, 770 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:03,560 Speaker 1: years and then we got moving pictures and television be 771 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,800 Speaker 1: can and so then the idea of the great. Photograph 772 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,640 Speaker 1: and don't get me, WRONG i love me a good 773 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:14,160 Speaker 1: iconic photograph out Of Sports illustrated Or time Or Life 774 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,799 Speaker 1: magazine or The National. Geographic but it doesn't have you, 775 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:24,880 Speaker 1: know it. Doesn't it. Doesn't it still pales when you 776 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:29,080 Speaker 1: can see it in real, life right moving. Pictures so 777 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,160 Speaker 1: my point is is That Life magazine was in the 778 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:39,360 Speaker 1: mainstream media and then it. Wasn't you, know mutual radio 779 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,920 Speaker 1: was part of the mainstream media until it. Wasn't SO 780 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,799 Speaker 1: i do believe all of this is technologically driven and 781 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,920 Speaker 1: that we go through AND i think media is a 782 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,239 Speaker 1: cycle of this meaning and in, fact if you look 783 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,560 Speaker 1: at the last one hundred and fifty, years this cycle 784 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,480 Speaker 1: has repeated itself and we're in the middle of it. 785 00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:02,120 Speaker 1: Now new technology comes along and initially there's. Fragmentation eventually there's. 786 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,839 Speaker 1: Consolidation so you had the printing press and everybody could 787 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,120 Speaker 1: be could do their own. Newspaper in the nineteenth, century 788 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,000 Speaker 1: it seems like everybody had their own, newspaper and then 789 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,279 Speaker 1: you started to have. Consolidation but when you figured out 790 00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,759 Speaker 1: how to, reprint how to print, photographs we got a 791 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:24,520 Speaker 1: proliferation of. Magazines then we got some, consolidation right time 792 00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,600 Speaker 1: life all that, stuff more, consolidation and then eventually the 793 00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:35,680 Speaker 1: technology became less. Relevant when television first started acsuse, me 794 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,799 Speaker 1: when radio first, started there were smaller radio stations popping up. 795 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,080 Speaker 1: Everywhere over, time eventually you'd have consolidation and we had 796 00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,360 Speaker 1: a network, effect and then that's where the initial broadcast 797 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,920 Speaker 1: television was built off of CABLE. Tv, right, fragmentation then 798 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,479 Speaker 1: the bundles and, consolidation and so we're in the middle 799 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,080 Speaker 1: of this. Now so it's not that there is a 800 00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:56,799 Speaker 1: it's a ZERO i don't think there's a zero sum. 801 00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:01,000 Speaker 1: GAME i think there's always a new media that's pushing 802 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,239 Speaker 1: what is the mainstream media of that, moment and the 803 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,799 Speaker 1: definition of mainstream media changes with our times and with our, 804 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:13,560 Speaker 1: culture right and so right, NOW i, think you, know it's. 805 00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,479 Speaker 1: Funny it's like there's all these debates about, like, oh 806 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,160 Speaker 1: the new anchor of THE Cbs Evening news, Who and you, 807 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,000 Speaker 1: Know Megan kelly did a tweet that's sort of really 808 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:24,919 Speaker 1: sort of, saying, ah this is, irrelevant no one cares. 809 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:30,040 Speaker 1: ANYMORE i thought she was overly brutal about it because 810 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,040 Speaker 1: she sees it as a threat to her. Business AND 811 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,279 Speaker 1: i get, That but the fact, IS i don't Think 812 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,360 Speaker 1: megan's yet. Mainstream but she's, not and she's, independent but 813 00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,440 Speaker 1: she's part of a of a of a larger movement 814 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:49,000 Speaker 1: that's within the larger definition of. Mainstream. Right, SO i 815 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,400 Speaker 1: think what you're gonna see is consolidation of some sort 816 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,120 Speaker 1: where you'll, have in the same, way you'll have these individual, 817 00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,040 Speaker 1: networks and some of them through four maybe six of 818 00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:06,239 Speaker 1: them end up being the most read or the most, 819 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,960 Speaker 1: membered or the most you, KNOW i don't know how 820 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,160 Speaker 1: we're going to count, it, right but sort of the 821 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:15,720 Speaker 1: most prolific that will fit what we call mainstream media 822 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,640 Speaker 1: come twenty thirty, five and that could some of some 823 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:24,359 Speaker 1: of these consolidated players could have old legacy. Names now 824 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,600 Speaker 1: DO i think LIKE i think we're in a moment 825 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,600 Speaker 1: where major media companies are going to get out of 826 00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,759 Speaker 1: the news business. Altogether, Right disney is going to SELL 827 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,920 Speaker 1: Abc news this calendar. Year that will be put up 828 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,040 Speaker 1: for sale as soon as THE tegna Next our merger. 829 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,239 Speaker 1: HAPPENS i promise YOU Abc news gets put up for. 830 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,480 Speaker 1: Sale does that Mean paramount will PUT Cbs news up for? 831 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,279 Speaker 1: Sale they? Could IS cnn going to be put up for? 832 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,920 Speaker 1: SALE i think it. WILL i don't know ABOUT, nbc 833 00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,440 Speaker 1: but if the other two do, that it wouldn't surprise 834 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,239 Speaker 1: me if comcasts followed. Suit the point being is THAT 835 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,359 Speaker 1: i do think there's a that there is more acknowledgement 836 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:09,279 Speaker 1: that shareholder driven companies aren't going to be trusted to 837 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:14,640 Speaker 1: be the stewards of media organ of news. Organizations and 838 00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,239 Speaker 1: if you want those news organizations to survive in this, 839 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,319 Speaker 1: era they need to have some sort of independence to. Them. 840 00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,920 Speaker 1: Right but there's still going to be, networks and it's possible, 841 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,960 Speaker 1: that you, know maybe you, Know, Look i'm my joke 842 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,920 Speaker 1: about What i'm doing. Now i've started a media, company 843 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,319 Speaker 1: And i'm hoping to expand not just What i'm doing, 844 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,160 Speaker 1: here but maybe in another in another, area but all 845 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,200 Speaker 1: with the goal of sort of modernizing the information. Ecosystem 846 00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,560 Speaker 1: but you, know my joke, IS i hope to be a. 847 00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,200 Speaker 1: Consolidator but If i'm, consolidated maybe that'll be okay. TOO 848 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,359 Speaker 1: i think we're in a we're at the tail end 849 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,920 Speaker 1: of this of this web two point zero fragmentation right 850 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,000 Speaker 1: with streaming and YouTube and, substack TikTok, et, cetera and 851 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,440 Speaker 1: a consolidation is, coming you, Know and it could be, 852 00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,480 Speaker 1: like you, know Mister, beast WHO i saw Is hawk 853 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,400 Speaker 1: and all sorts of candy bars at the targets and 854 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,000 Speaker 1: the walmarts in these, days you, know is he his 855 00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,000 Speaker 1: own news network that also will have a news division 856 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,200 Speaker 1: that you, know maybe he partners with somebody that runs. 857 00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,719 Speaker 1: That maybe it's my friends at the fourteen forty or 858 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,000 Speaker 1: At All, sides or who, knows, Right but the point 859 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,040 Speaker 1: being is THAT i THINK i wouldn't look at it 860 00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,239 Speaker 1: as a death march between legacy. Media we're in the 861 00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,480 Speaker 1: middle where there's a whole bunch of us that want 862 00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:35,280 Speaker 1: to rebuild a new mainstream. Media right, Now today's independent 863 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:39,000 Speaker 1: outlet is tomorrow's member of the mainstream. Media trust, me 864 00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,880 Speaker 1: there was a TIME cnn was a, disruptor then it became. Mainstream, 865 00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:48,239 Speaker 1: okay there was a time that cable news was a, 866 00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:53,640 Speaker 1: disruptor then it became the. Mainstream SO i guess to 867 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,399 Speaker 1: just so for what it's. WORTH i think that's that's 868 00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:04,279 Speaker 1: HOW i frame. This as for The, packers my son 869 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,680 Speaker 1: AND i my son accuses me of not being as 870 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,319 Speaker 1: devoted of A packer fan as he. Is he will 871 00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:14,440 Speaker 1: say THAT i am, too that my obsession with The 872 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,719 Speaker 1: hurricanes this year is trumping and it's making him sad 873 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,600 Speaker 1: because he doesn't Think i'm as upset about This packer 874 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,960 Speaker 1: failure this year he. Is, HARRISON i am just as 875 00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,919 Speaker 1: obsessed about this as you. Are i've just been through 876 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,920 Speaker 1: this a bunch of, times AND i went thirty years 877 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,239 Speaker 1: with The packers. SUCKING i had to be the kid 878 00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,080 Speaker 1: that was a fan of The packers When David whitehurst was, 879 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,800 Speaker 1: quarterback and NO i Love David, WHITEHURST i still wanted 880 00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,480 Speaker 1: to be. HIM i Loved Lynn, dickey but none of 881 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:50,439 Speaker 1: them Were Aaron, Rodgers Bred, Farver Jordan. Love so here's 882 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,200 Speaker 1: my concern of The. PACKERS i just think we you, 883 00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,960 Speaker 1: know you're asking The packers to make a. Run although 884 00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,960 Speaker 1: if we're ever going to make our unlikely, run this 885 00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,480 Speaker 1: would be the year to do. It we're asking to 886 00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,960 Speaker 1: make a run with Our we've lost our best offensive, 887 00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,879 Speaker 1: lineman which happened earlier this year In. JENKINS i don't 888 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,800 Speaker 1: know what's going on With Zach. Tom we've had multiple 889 00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:14,240 Speaker 1: receivers be out at, times including now our best arguably 890 00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,640 Speaker 1: our best wide receiver who happens to be a tight 891 00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,000 Speaker 1: end Is. Tuckerkraft jacobs hasn't been healthy all. Year our 892 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,160 Speaker 1: best defensive guy is out for the. Year we lost 893 00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:24,799 Speaker 1: two more guys than, that, RIGHT i just don't think 894 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,319 Speaker 1: we have the potties right to. Win we have to 895 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:32,400 Speaker 1: win three road. Games so DO i think we can 896 00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:38,000 Speaker 1: play spoiler and destroy The bears? Dreams? YES i will 897 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42,080 Speaker 1: get plenty of satisfaction to sort of let those let 898 00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:47,080 Speaker 1: Those bears fans who are been nipping at our heels 899 00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,479 Speaker 1: a little bit be reminded that this is a little 900 00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,000 Speaker 1: bit harder that even A packer team with one arm 901 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,640 Speaker 1: time behind its back is still probably better than what 902 00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,880 Speaker 1: The bears have at the, MOMENT i say with less 903 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,960 Speaker 1: with sounding LIKE i have, confidence but maybe SECRETLY i 904 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,080 Speaker 1: don't have as much. Confidence But i'd like to think 905 00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,239 Speaker 1: we are still inside the head of The bears a little. 906 00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:13,680 Speaker 1: Bit but if you, look you know it's funny my 907 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:18,320 Speaker 1: son AND i have gone. Through SO i prefer to 908 00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,880 Speaker 1: play The bears as the two, seven then The. Eagles 909 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:26,160 Speaker 1: when you're listening to, this that was still a. Possibility 910 00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,320 Speaker 1: so if you told me we could play The, eagles 911 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,800 Speaker 1: it should be The bears and knock them. Off then 912 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,320 Speaker 1: the way THE nfl, works, right the lowest seed is 913 00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:37,760 Speaker 1: at the one, seed and it's The seahawks that are 914 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,240 Speaker 1: the one seed and not The. Niners THEN i like 915 00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:45,760 Speaker 1: our chances in the second round of Beating seattle In 916 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:50,480 Speaker 1: seattle VERSUS i like our changes better doing that THAN 917 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,720 Speaker 1: i do trying to beat The niners In Santa. Clara. 918 00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,920 Speaker 1: Right The niners are like are kryptonite for The packers 919 00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,320 Speaker 1: in the, playoffs, RIGHT i JUST i never ever want 920 00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,400 Speaker 1: to see us playing The. Niners always feels like they 921 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,160 Speaker 1: break our. Hearts. Right it goes back to that that 922 00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:14,400 Speaker 1: that that Damn Steve young To Terrell Steve, Young Toterrell. Owens, 923 00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,400 Speaker 1: uh not quite Hail, mary but pretty, close, right it 924 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,040 Speaker 1: was last. Minute wasn't Hail mary? Throw it was just 925 00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,640 Speaker 1: a dart a. BULLET i mean to this, DAY i went. 926 00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,480 Speaker 1: THROUGH i felt LIKE i went through like Three packers' 927 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,640 Speaker 1: hands and it falls Into Torell owan's. Hands, so but 928 00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,520 Speaker 1: it seems like ever since that, happened and what was 929 00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:34,160 Speaker 1: that ninety five ninety you know that The niners have 930 00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:38,280 Speaker 1: always been our. Kryptonite so so if you're telling me 931 00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,600 Speaker 1: we the one that we could, play The bears is 932 00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,040 Speaker 1: a two seed and The seahawks is the one, seed 933 00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:52,440 Speaker 1: and then THE nfc title game is oh between the 934 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:58,360 Speaker 1: you know in so far against The, rams, right if that's? 935 00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:02,120 Speaker 1: Who so that's the path that The packers THAT i 936 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,560 Speaker 1: could get The packers to the Super. Bowl It's, Bears, 937 00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:09,960 Speaker 1: Seahawks Rams i'd like to. HAVE i Think i'd like 938 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,720 Speaker 1: to avoid The eagles And. Niners so that's my two. 939 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,440 Speaker 1: Cents but, ultimately if you're asking me the, truth if 940 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,040 Speaker 1: we win one, game we should be. Satisfied there's the 941 00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,920 Speaker 1: only good news is this, team if, healthy is the 942 00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,040 Speaker 1: best team in THE. Nfl maybe our years next year 943 00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,880 Speaker 1: are not this? Year all? Right with, that that's the 944 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,440 Speaker 1: end Of part one of My mailbag. Episode coming up 945 00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,080 Speaker 1: in part, two it's going to get a few what 946 00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,440 Speaker 1: ifs in. There it's going to get a little. Personal, 947 00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,960 Speaker 1: yes they'll probably be a little bit more, sports but 948 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,640 Speaker 1: also some book, PROMOTIONS tv, shows and who knows what 949 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,800 Speaker 1: kind of fun political Predictions i'm forced to, make all 950 00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,400 Speaker 1: thanks to your wonderful. Questions so with, THAT i appreciate 951 00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:52,920 Speaker 1: you listening