1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we got 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: a real, live, heated rivalry situation happening here. 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 2: Everybody, get to the cottage. 4 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: It's Monday, January nineteenth, and it's Martin Luther King Junior Day. 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: We hope you take some time today to serve your community, 6 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 1: whether that's volunteering for a local organization or donating to 7 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: an organization that fights for civil rights. 8 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 2: Will link to a few ideas in the show notes. 9 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: On today's show, we're skipping the need to know and 10 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: reminding you that women's sports did it first. While folks 11 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: everywhere are eating up the fictional series Heated Rivalry, real 12 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: life rivals turned wives Carolyn Willlett and Julie Cho have 13 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: been living it for decades. 14 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 2: Willlett is a four. 15 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: Time Olympic gold medalist for Team Canada hockey, while Choo 16 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: is a four time Olympic medalist, three silver and one 17 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 1: bronze for Team USA Hockey. And while they were captaining 18 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: their teams through World Championships and Olympics, they were navigating 19 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: their relationship as well. 20 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: I caught up with them last. 21 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: Week to discuss how they handled the inherent tension built 22 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: into dating your opponent why they kept their relationship on 23 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: the DL until they were done competing, and whether the 24 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: upcoming Olympic Games will see July rooting for her former 25 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,959 Speaker 1: team the US or for her wife, one of. 26 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 2: Team Canada's assistant coaches. It's all coming up right after this. 27 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: Joining US Now, she's the head women's hockey coach at 28 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: Concordia University in Montreal. 29 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: She won the. 30 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: Patti Casmier Award in two thousand and seven for best 31 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: Female collegiate hockey player, and when she finished her college 32 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: career at Harvard, she was the all time assist leader 33 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: and points scorer in NCAA history with two hundred and 34 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: eighty four points. After graduating, she played in the WWHL 35 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 1: and the CWHL, helped America a five World championship. Wins 36 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: was the first Asian American woman to play for the 37 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: US Olympic ice hockey team, served as team captain, and 38 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: was the Team USA flag bear at the closing ceremony 39 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: of the Sochi Games. Competing in a total of four 40 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: Winter Olympics, she won three silvers and a bronze. 41 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:46,919 Speaker 2: It's Julie, Chu, Hi. 42 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 3: Julie, Hey, how's it going? 43 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: Sair going great? 44 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: With her on this podcast in marriage and motherhood. She's 45 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: the assistant coach of the PWHL's Montreal Victoire and a 46 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: Hockey Hall of Famer. A University of Minnesota duluthgrad. She's 47 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: ranked third all time scoring in Bulldog's history and was 48 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: named to the WCCHA. 49 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: All Decade Team. 50 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: She played her post grad hockey and the CWHL helped 51 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: Canada six World Championship wins, served as a captain for 52 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: Team Canada, and competed in four Olympics, winning four gold medals. 53 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: She's also a Team Canada assistant coach for the upcoming 54 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:21,119 Speaker 1: Milan Cortina Games. It's Carolyn will let Ty, Carol Nice, Sarah, 55 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. We are just 56 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: a few weeks away from the start of the women's 57 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: ice hockey competition at the Milan Cortina Games, and has 58 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: been the case for many years running. The US and 59 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: Canada are expected to meet in the final, something you 60 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: two know all too well. 61 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 2: You faced off in three Olympic gold. 62 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: Medal games, each one going to the dustardly Canadians. Julie, 63 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: I have to yeah, I have to start there. How 64 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: often does that come up around the house? 65 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 4: I do live in Canada, so maybe not as often 66 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 4: around the house. Although our oldest is eight years old. 67 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 4: Live is very proud of her her mom over here 68 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 4: and me too, but really only understands about winning gold medals. 69 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 3: So she's like, oh, it's okay, mom that she didn't 70 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 3: win anything. So the way she said it, I'm kind 71 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 3: of like right to the heart. 72 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm living in Canada, so I hear it 73 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 4: at times, but at the same time have awesome amount 74 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 4: of love and support as well around me. 75 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: As a problematically competitive person, I can't decide if I 76 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: like raising kids with the idea that it's gold or nothing, 77 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: or if I think it's said that they're like, I'm sorry, 78 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: you didn't win anything. 79 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 2: Meanwhile you're like, I'm not, it's silver medal in the Olympics. 80 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: Come on, this is like a real life heated rivalry situation. 81 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 2: Which have you guys been watching that along with the 82 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: rest of the world. 83 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 3: I'd following along for sure. 84 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 2: Okay, but you haven't actually dived in yet. 85 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 3: Not just yet. 86 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 4: I think the season, the kids and everything, but we're 87 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 4: very close to being able to sit down and maybe 88 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 4: grab a few minutes. But seeing a bunch of clips 89 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 4: that have been posted through various outlets. 90 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of fun. 91 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 5: We here, we're supposed to watch post hours when the 92 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 5: kids are in bed, so we're gonna wait for this. 93 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: Yes, those moments, I would agree, not for the kiddos, 94 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: but it's really fun and romantic, and it is it's 95 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: your life. It's two sworn enemies who just can't deny 96 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: that they're meant to be on the same team, so 97 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: to speak. So I want to go back to the 98 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: beginning of how you two first met. 99 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 2: Can you tell me, Julie, Yeah, absolutely. 100 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 4: You know, I think the hockey world is really small, 101 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 4: and I think there's an appreciation for what we're trying 102 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 4: to do as paving paths as student athletes at the 103 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 4: time or Olympic athletes where resources might have been limited, 104 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 4: and our paths were yeah, bumpy at times, and our 105 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 4: challenges were very similar, but also like our passions and 106 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 4: our dreams and what we want to accomplish also was 107 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 4: thriving in a lot really positive ways. So being a 108 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 4: small hockey world. We actually met working at hockey camp 109 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 4: in Peterborough, Ontario. We have both had friends that were 110 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 4: associated with the camp and then had an opportunity to 111 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 4: be together, and like coach, initially just with each other. 112 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,119 Speaker 4: Knew each other as players of opposing teams. Thankfully, neither 113 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 4: of us are kind of the jerks on the teams, 114 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 4: so that maybe it wouldn't have been a nice and 115 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 4: meeting to work together. And then from there had a 116 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 4: really good friendship that developed and led to other things afterwards. 117 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 4: So like a lot of things, usually friendship is the 118 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 4: start of it and then we go from there. 119 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think I could find love on the court. 120 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: I'm an asshole, so I don't think it would have 121 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: worked out for me. I definitely had to meet my 122 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: husband before we played sports together, and then he was like, wow, 123 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: this is a lot. 124 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: I know. You both wore number. 125 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: Thirteen and almost a preview of the Olympics. Minnesota Duluth 126 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: knocked out Harvard in a tournament you played in, but 127 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: Julie was the MVP, so it was like you both 128 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: were thriving. But early on, I guess you had to 129 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: learn that maybe sometimes Carol would be on the stronger team. 130 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: I heard in another interview or in a story I 131 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: read that at that two thousand and five summer camp, Carol, 132 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: you said, you loved Julie from the moment you saw. 133 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: Is that true? 134 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, that is correct. I had to work really hard 135 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 6: to make that happen. I had to be patient. 136 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 5: Yeah. No, As Julie said, we became many good friends first, 137 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 5: and we were embarking on the Olympic Centralization for the 138 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 5: two thousand and six Olympics. So from the start of 139 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 5: our relationship we were apart for most of the time. 140 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 5: So we've entered a lot of you know, challenges and 141 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 5: always came on top. 142 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how you know the love is real when 143 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: you can, you know, go to battle on the ice 144 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: and then come home and still want to be nice 145 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: to each other, you know. We had and Katrin Berger, 146 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: the goalkeeper for Gotham FC and the NWSL, became roommates 147 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: with a teammate and they were friends and as far 148 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: as she knew, her teammate was straight, but over time 149 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: she was pining for her, maybe the way you were 150 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: for Julie, and had to figure out how to like 151 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: set a date that she believed would be a date 152 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: and see if they could, you know, go on a date, 153 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: and then eventually had to basically tell her this is 154 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: how I feel and what I think is happening And 155 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: did it feel like that for you when you had 156 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: to make that first move beyond friendship? 157 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 2: Like, am I calculating this right? Does this seem like 158 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 2: it's going to go my way if I make a move? 159 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 6: Well? 160 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 5: I think Julie was working through the end of another relationship, 161 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 5: so I just needed to give her time. 162 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 6: And space and impatient and be a good friend for 163 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 6: many weeks. 164 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 5: And you know, as part of our teams, as Julie said, 165 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 5: we were always a good and nice hockey players. So 166 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 5: I think that my Canadian teammates love Julie, respected Julie. 167 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 5: You know, true college hockey, we get to know each other, 168 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 5: we get to train together, play together, then compete against 169 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 5: each other on the international stage. 170 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 6: So everyone was really excited for me, rooting for me. 171 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 5: And you know, when time was right for Julie, I 172 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 5: think she was ready to open her heart again and 173 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 5: you know the rest is history. 174 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: Oh, it sounds like some teammates knew you were pining 175 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: away and waiting to make your move. I love that 176 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: they were rooting for you to you know, whatever the 177 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: time was right. You know, Julie, I want to ask, 178 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: at what point do you realize, oh gosh, this might 179 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: be like my friend person, or this might be a 180 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: real thing. We should probably start sharing this with friends 181 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: and family. Did that happen pretty quickly or did you 182 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: wait a while? 183 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 3: No? 184 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 4: It always kind of takes a little bit of time, 185 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 4: like any relationship, right. I think when you share relationships 186 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 4: with others, before you get the time to just kind 187 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 4: of figure out, like what are things like, and how 188 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 4: do we learn more about each other, how do we connect, 189 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 4: then it kind of not gets complicated, but then it 190 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 4: gets busy, right, and you have. 191 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 3: People that want to support you. 192 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 4: But especially at the time, there weren't a lot of 193 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 4: athletes that were openly gay, that were out and definitely 194 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 4: not rivals, and so one of the things we also 195 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 4: didn't necessarily want was to have a scenario where our 196 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 4: story or our relationship became distracting to our teammates and 197 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 4: their story and our Olympic journeys as individuals but also 198 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 4: as a team. And so it was a time where 199 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 4: there wasn't a lot of talk about that. So it 200 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 4: didn't want it to be something that we'd spoke about 201 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 4: in the media. And it's not that we were ashamed, 202 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 4: but we'd rather have those conversations amongst our friends like 203 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 4: both USA Hockey, Hockey Canada or families eventually knew about 204 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 4: them and that was that was a comfort level that 205 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 4: we were able to build eventually with time. 206 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 3: But as far as like the really. 207 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 4: Being open, you know, on a podcast, really being open 208 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 4: to someone asking about, oh, are you in a relationship, 209 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 4: it was actually like, oh, no, no, we're not. 210 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 6: I'm not. 211 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 4: I'm just like focusing on my Olympic dream. But everyone 212 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 4: that was close to us knew that we were, and 213 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 4: we were okay with that. It didn't necessarily feel at 214 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 4: that time like we were hiding. I couldn't live who 215 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 4: we were. We just weren't doing it in a very 216 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 4: public manner at that point. But I think for me, 217 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 4: like when I took it kind of to the the 218 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 4: next little bit was in two thousand and five, was 219 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 4: actually also when I shared with my my family that 220 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 4: I was gay. 221 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 3: And by the way, I'm I'm dating. 222 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 4: Karen the Willett that's on the Canadian team. So I 223 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 4: think that was a bit of the time where we 224 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 4: were all kind of in our just. 225 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 3: Exactly like they didn't really catch you. 226 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 2: Those spoilers, no spoilers, those spoilers. 227 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: But you know, it's not as uncommon for women hockey 228 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: players and women athletes in general to be LGBTQ, so 229 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: you didn't have quite the same pressure as maybe the 230 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: men do. But you do have to maybe face the 231 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: wrath of teammates for fraternizing with the enemy, or I 232 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: guess it would be like sororitizing with the enemy. But 233 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if either of you were nervous about sharing 234 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: your relationship with your teammates, because even if they loved 235 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: Julie or they love Carol, they're like, what a Canadian 236 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:23,359 Speaker 1: an American? 237 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 2: Was there any of that? Not really? 238 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 6: Well maybe with a few of the teammates that you 239 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 6: know are not you know, not that they're not open. 240 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 5: They still live and you know, to beat them, you 241 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 5: have to hate them, right. That kind of lingered a 242 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 5: little bit throughout our career with some of the teammates, 243 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 5: and I respect that if that's how they needed to 244 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 5: prepare to be at their best. But you know, for me, 245 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 5: people finding out there was just positive. You know, they 246 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 5: knew that Julie was a. 247 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 6: Really incredible person, and also they knew that we were 248 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 6: both able. 249 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 5: To keep what needed to be kept inside the team, 250 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 5: and you know, Julie and I were always kind of 251 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 5: player coaches, and we were always able to almost remove 252 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 5: ourselves from the outcome and be able to evaluate we 253 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 5: deserve to win here, and you know, give the space 254 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 5: to the other to let them enjoy those moments because 255 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 5: you know, I've won some I've lost some important moments 256 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 5: World Championship, and most of the time, the team that 257 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 5: deserves to win does win. Like there's a few exceptions 258 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 5: to that, but you know, we're usually able to even watch, 259 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 5: you know, at Canada US game at the Four Nations 260 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 5: and be like, okay, this this was the better team. 261 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 5: And you know, our kids are in the middle, and 262 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 5: then our youngest is like, go us all this is 263 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 5: I go Canada and they wow. 264 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 6: So it's kind of cute. 265 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: I love that. 266 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: You know, the two of you ended up going public 267 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 1: in part when you shared the news about the birth 268 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: of your first daughter live back in twenty seventeen, and 269 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: there were a lot of people outside of the close 270 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: knit women's hockey bubble who had no idea you were 271 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,719 Speaker 1: in a relationship or that you were members of the 272 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: LGBTQ plus community. In fact, my producer Alex is a 273 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: diehard hockey person. She remembers the moment she saw the 274 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: article and texted a friend like, what. 275 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 2: What did you know about this? And then and. 276 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: I wonder, like what it felt like to decide, Okay, 277 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: we will be public, we will do an article, and 278 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: now we'll have more than just our friends and family 279 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: know about this. What was your intention there, Julie. 280 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, I think for us it was 281 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 4: really important, especially when we were going to have a 282 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 4: child together, to then be fully open with it, to 283 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 4: then not feel like we had to keep our story 284 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 4: if someone asks, oh, are you in a relationship or 285 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 4: you know, what's your family like, to then be like. 286 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 3: Oh, no, I'm not in a relationship, mean while we 287 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 3: have a child. 288 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 4: Because we didn't want our daughter to be brought up 289 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 4: in a world where she felt that like we had 290 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 4: to hide. 291 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 3: Or be ashamed of who we were, what we believed in, 292 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 3: and the family that we had. 293 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 4: So at that point it was like, Okay, no, we're 294 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 4: gonna just be really open about it. And you know, 295 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 4: I think instead of just going and only to an 296 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 4: interview first, I think for us, we wanted to share 297 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 4: the news, like a lot of people of the birth 298 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 4: of our child. So we thought that was a perfect 299 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 4: way to do it, and so that's what way we did. 300 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 4: We just posted kind of a little picture of our 301 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 4: new family and how pumped we were to be to 302 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 4: be parents and being. 303 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 3: A relationship together. 304 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 4: And it is a little unerving though, when you first 305 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 4: hit send and you send it out into the world, 306 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 4: because there's a. 307 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 3: Lot of trolls out there. There's a lot of people 308 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 3: that like to. 309 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 4: Hide behind, you know, the screen, and you know throughout 310 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 4: some pretty nasty things. 311 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 3: And honestly, I was shocked how much positivity. 312 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 4: We got, Like, I didn't get a lot of negativity, 313 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 4: we didn't get a lot of pushback, just a lot 314 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 4: of really positive, positive things that came back. And I 315 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 4: think that opened a lot. And I got a lot 316 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 4: of emails afterwards from people saying, hey, like for my 317 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 4: young daughter or for myself, like this is really big impactful. 318 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 4: And I think that's one of the things that we 319 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 4: get to do as a lead athletes, as you get 320 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 4: this to shine a light on different things by just 321 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 4: being us. And you know, whether we asked for it 322 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 4: or not, that's just the reality. And so being able 323 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 4: to do that hopefully gives a little bit of hope, 324 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 4: gives a little bit of belief and encourage for others 325 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:06,719 Speaker 4: to live who they are and be. 326 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 3: Who they are. 327 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: I love that and the idea that you're mature enough 328 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: to be with your rival and give them space to 329 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: enjoy their wins and not rub it in when you 330 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: get your wins and all that stuff, because you're not 331 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: the only cross border couple, particularly in this rivalry. There's 332 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: a few other Canadian and American players who have, you know, 333 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: put aside their differences in the name of love. 334 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: We in fact had Marie Philippe Poulen. 335 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: And Laura Stacey on the show and we were joking 336 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: around about, you know, did you invite any Americans to 337 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: the wedding? 338 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: And they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, Julie too, and doesn't count. 339 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: She's married to a Canadian. No, a Megan Duggan. No, no, 340 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: doesn't count. And so you know, I think there's still 341 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: some lines that are drawn. Doy all hang out all 342 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: the gay hockey players, other than at weddings for other 343 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: hockey players. 344 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 3: Probably just then. 345 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: We had to take a break more with Caro and 346 00:14:51,600 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: Julie right after this. I don't know if folks listening 347 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: who don't follow regularly really understand how fierce this rivalry is. 348 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 2: It perhaps reached its peak. 349 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: At the Sochi Games, where you were the flag bearer, Julie. 350 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: The US was leading in the gold medal game to nothing, 351 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: only for Canada to come back at the final minutes 352 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: win it in overtime. 353 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 2: This is a tough loss for Team USA. 354 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: How long was it after that game before you saw 355 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: and spoke to each other about the game? 356 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 4: It was hard because you know, for sure, like I 357 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 4: was crushed by that one, Like so she took a 358 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 4: piece out of me, right, I think preparation leading up 359 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 4: to it, and I knew it was my last Olympic 360 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 4: Games and just the way it happened there because I 361 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 4: like we were coaches. I think in some extent like 362 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 4: that's a game where we could have had an outcome 363 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 4: that was in our favor, right, Like there's for different things. 364 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 3: At the same time. 365 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 4: We always say, like you have to play to end 366 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 4: and finish what we started, and we weren't able to 367 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 4: do that. But I was probably I did think we 368 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 4: emptied the tank, but it took a piece of me. 369 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 4: But for sure we see each other for the next 370 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 4: couple of days at the village also, so we can 371 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 4: still exchange a hug. And like Carolyn knew like I 372 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 4: was crushed, but I also wanted her and she checked 373 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 4: in on me that that evening, and you know, I 374 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 4: sent a note back and said, no, I appreciate it, 375 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 4: and I go enjoy like your time. And so it 376 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 4: took a while for that, and I think, like we 377 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 4: never really talked a ton about it, but afterwards you 378 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 4: can a little bit. And I think the big thing 379 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 4: for me is just afterwards just finding ways to help 380 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 4: each other, like kind of for her enjoy it because 381 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 4: we were now in Canada afterwards a fourteen. I moved 382 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 4: up in September of twenty fourteen to be your full time, 383 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 4: so there's still celebration mode. 384 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 3: But then for myself it was healing. 385 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 4: Mode too, and I couldn't really touch my equipment for 386 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 4: a long time. I knew I was done with the 387 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 4: national team, so the last time pulling off my jersey 388 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 4: was it's tough. I'm sitting there like balling for a 389 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 4: lot of reasons, but knowing that was the last time 390 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 4: I was going to pull it off. 391 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 3: But then I remember I went and was playing for 392 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 3: the Canadians. 393 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 4: So the CWHL at the time, and I was open 394 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 4: with my general manager at the time and said, I 395 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 4: don't know if I'll play next year. I don't know 396 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 4: if I'll be ready because right now I can't. I 397 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 4: love sports quotes, I love quotes. I'm like that cheesy person. 398 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 4: I just I couldn't even look at quotes. I couldn't 399 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 4: even think about reading like inspiring sports stories, like I 400 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 4: needed to stay away from all of it. And then 401 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 4: it was the night before our tryouts and Carolyn's. 402 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 3: Like, I'm so, are you coming tomorrow? And I was like, 403 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 3: I don't know. 404 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 4: And then we get to like the morning, I'm she so, 405 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 4: are you coming today? 406 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 3: And I was like I guess so. 407 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 4: So I grabbed my bag and I went to practice 408 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 4: and to tryouts. 409 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 3: And I hadn't like touched anything. 410 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 4: I didn't worked out and done anything like probably just 411 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 4: was moving and having fun. 412 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 3: And I got there it was like the hardest practice 413 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 3: I've ever done, and I got cute and I was like, 414 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 3: oh my god, this is happening. 415 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 4: But thankfully I stuck with it and my teammates, the coaches, 416 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 4: the general manager, everyone was awesome, and that actually helped 417 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 4: me come back to hockey, come and find my love 418 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 4: again for hockey, for playing, and I played for after 419 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 4: that until twenty seventeen. But it just I shifted my focus. 420 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 4: I wasn't necessarily at I mean, I'm trying to pound 421 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 4: out that that extra rep or that extra moment. I'm 422 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 4: going to come out and give my best when I'm there, 423 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 4: be a great teammate and just really enjoy this last 424 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 4: little bit. And at the same time, that's when I 425 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 4: started at Concordia, So it's kind of a team helped 426 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 4: me transition out of the national team with the support 427 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 4: and love and understanding that I was just in a 428 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 4: place to try to get love back in the game. 429 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 4: But then the Concordia Stingers helped me to shift out 430 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 4: of like my athlete role. 431 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 3: Into now coaching. 432 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 4: And then so when I was ready to leave playing 433 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 4: like it, honestly it was really easy to yeah, And 434 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,719 Speaker 4: so I think different things and different opportunities help heal us. 435 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 4: And then Carolyn was a really big part of that, 436 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 4: helping me through it as also she's caught in this 437 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 4: double edged sort of like, Hey, I'm going to this 438 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 4: event to. 439 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 3: Celebrate my gold medal, but I understand this is really 440 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 3: hard for. 441 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 2: Youse want to be my plus one? 442 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I like so a lot of that. 443 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: There's also there was a certain indignity to the fact that 444 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: you happen to be on a team called Lake Canadian, 445 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: like you were on the Thunder of the Blades. 446 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 2: You were on a team literally named. 447 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 1: After Canada, probably had a freaking maple leaf on it. 448 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 2: And you're like, I can't escape it. 449 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: So I'm wondering, with another Olympics on the horizon, is 450 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: there a palpable feeling in the house that things are 451 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: about to change? Tensions are going to ratchet up, Carolyn 452 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: with the children split. Are they going to start wearing 453 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: all the gear for the side that they're on. 454 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 5: I feel actually very lucky that Julian the girls will 455 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 5: be able to come. It's going to be a short trip, 456 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 5: just the semi final and hopefully the final, and you know, 457 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 5: we want to be playing in those games, and you know, 458 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 5: very grateful that my daughters will get to experience the 459 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 5: Olympic Games. We've decided that every game they are dressed 460 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 5: just casually in their. 461 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 7: Own clothes, neutral, neutral, but they're doing up with Team Canada, 462 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 7: I must say, because the hotell, you know, they are 463 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 7: with us, so their friends are with Team Canada and they. 464 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 6: Love Whoo and Laura and Saraners. 465 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 5: Of course everyone does, but it's it's really cute to 466 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 5: see them. And you know, it's been a very demanding 467 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 5: season for me as a coach, with all the training 468 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 5: blocks and the Rivalry series and now my new role 469 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,719 Speaker 5: with Le Victor. I wouldn't be able to do all 470 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 5: of that without Julie and our parents. This season that 471 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 5: I've come on, plus with the girls a tons, so 472 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 5: it's going to be a special moment for them, for me, 473 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 5: for them to be at the Olympics. 474 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: My producer, Alex the are going to be out covering 475 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: the Olympics. We're gonna be out there for three whole weeks, 476 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: so we're going to be doing a lot of the hockey. 477 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 2: I can't wait to watch. 478 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: I know who I'll be rooting for, and I know 479 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be an unbiased media member, but I'm 480 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: rooting for Team USA. 481 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: Julie, who are you rooting for? 482 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 4: You know, that's like a lot of internal debate and struggle. 483 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 4: But I think on one hand, I grew up in 484 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 4: tam Usa and I finished, you know, when I was 485 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 4: almost thirty two, so fourteen years in that program, and 486 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 4: it shaped me like who. 487 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 3: I am is because of it. 488 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 4: So I can't not root for them also, but I 489 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 4: think when I've been a really bit removed, what I 490 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 4: can do is also root for the people that I 491 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 4: love that they're going to be able to excel. So 492 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 4: I know, like the areas, especially that Carolyn runs in 493 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 4: Hockey Canada, I want them to excel, and like I 494 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 4: want it. It's like the hardest question I always get, 495 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 4: but I want her to be successful. I want her 496 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 4: to be able to walk away and be really proud 497 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 4: of how she prepared the team, how she executed her role, 498 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 4: how she was on the bench in all the scenarios, 499 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 4: and what she gave. 500 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 3: And I want that for all our friends. And I 501 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 3: say that. 502 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 4: Even for teammates from I went to Harvard University, so 503 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 4: I had teammates from there and friends from the Canadians 504 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 4: that I played against at the Olympics or World Championships 505 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 4: and played against Carolyn, and I honestly mean it. I 506 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 4: want my friends to play incredible and I want them 507 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 4: because I know how much they give, and I want 508 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 4: them to be able to feel good to walk away 509 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 4: to be like, hey, I gave everything and yes when 510 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 4: I was competing, yet so for sure I wanted to 511 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 4: be the winner and like still have them like not 512 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 4: nessly win, but you can also lose and feel have 513 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 4: no regrets. And I think that's what I'd like write 514 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 4: in the scenario is that, like, I'm really proud of 515 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 4: what Carolyn does. I know how much effort she puts 516 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 4: into it, like endless endless time thinking about it and 517 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 4: preparing and and my our daughters. They're going to be 518 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 4: cheering for Canada and they're going to be cheering for Canada. 519 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 3: I know that, and we're. 520 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 2: Well, you know. 521 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: The nice thing is, Carolyn, is that Julie knows better 522 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: than anyone that you should be proud of silver. 523 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 2: So when you earn that, you can be proud. That's 524 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 2: an incredible accomplishment. 525 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 4: Sarah's able to say what I'm not allowed to I 526 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 4: used to and I can't thank you. 527 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 5: I'll accept that Junior can cheer for Team USA and 528 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 5: then made the best team win. 529 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 2: There we go. 530 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: Well, I want to talk about that because the US 531 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 1: is coming into these games on a hot streak four 532 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: games sweep of the rivalry series games with Canada first 533 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: time either team has gotten a sweep those matches, Julie, 534 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: does the US see give you more confidence or more 535 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: nerves because you're like. 536 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 2: Oh god, don't win all of them. 537 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: No. 538 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 3: I was never really that person. 539 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 4: I want to win all the time, so I never 540 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 4: really thought about it as ah, they want so that 541 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 4: means they have to give one back, like I think 542 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 4: they both the teams prepare too hard for that to 543 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 4: be the case, and ultimately, when you come down to it, 544 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 4: if they end up meeting in the finals, it's going 545 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 4: to be a one game, So it's who's going to 546 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 4: execute in that moment. 547 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 3: So I think you can. 548 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 4: Have a team that's won all the games leading up 549 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 4: to it and then ends up losing that happened to 550 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 4: us in two thousand and two unfortunately, and then you can. 551 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 3: Have other scenarios. 552 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 4: So I think by the time that gold medal game 553 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 4: comes out, and if Kenada US earned the right to 554 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 4: be in that game, it's going to be you know, 555 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 4: it's going to be a boxing match and it's going 556 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 4: to be awesome, and that's what Women Talking wants and needs. 557 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 4: Both teams, like have a lot of strengths, and I 558 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 4: think that they can kind of counter each other in 559 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 4: a lot of ways. So it's who, at the end 560 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 4: of the day is the most prepared, who comes together 561 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 4: when they don't have a program, right, that's the first 562 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 4: year the bendency program. 563 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: A PWHL spending so much time playing together without those 564 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: camp town. 565 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, so now it's different. 566 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 4: So even those that are returning Olympians, it's a different 567 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 4: feel like they've had little mini camps or they have 568 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 4: a rivalry series. Now they're going to come together maybe 569 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 4: for a week in advance and try to get the 570 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 4: team on the same page, connected and all those things, 571 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 4: and then running their best from the start of the tournament. 572 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 4: And then ultimately they still get say three weeks or 573 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 4: two and a half weeks together to be prepared for 574 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 4: the nineteenth, I. 575 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 3: Believe is the gold medal game. It's going to be exciting. 576 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: Did you see anything during the rivalry series that you thought, oh, 577 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: this is why they're thriving and they you'd like to 578 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: see them keep up in Italy? 579 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 3: The US team, Yeah, yeah. 580 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 4: I just think that they play fast and they're really 581 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 4: highly skilled, Like they're a fun team to watch. They've 582 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 4: got a lot of talent, and I think that the 583 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 4: players aren't afraid to carry the puck and try different 584 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 4: things and move the puck in different ways. I was 585 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 4: looking at their power play units. They have like kind 586 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 4: of like the old timers unit. I can't say that, 587 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 4: like they're going to like hear this and be like what, 588 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 4: But you have some of the veteran the veteran units. 589 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 4: You know, they have Carpenter on that along with Keller, 590 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 4: along with the Hillary Knights. 591 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 3: You have kind of that unit. 592 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 4: And then yes you have a you know Testigenik use 593 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 4: the young one on that, and then the other ones 594 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 4: kind of the younger power play. But they can just 595 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 4: move the puck so well with so many different options. 596 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 4: And so it was fun for me to watch that 597 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 4: because I'm always I want to learn, i want to grow. 598 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 4: So I'm watching these games on the Canadian sign, on 599 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 4: the Lavictar side, on the US side, and I'm like, Okay, 600 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 4: what can we steal? 601 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 3: Because that's ultimate. 602 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, we always say the best coaches are the ones 603 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 4: that are able to absorb and learn and grow and 604 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 4: take things from different teams and different. 605 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 3: Players to make themselves better and their teams better. 606 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: All right, Carol and I have to ask when some 607 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: of those Victoire players came back from those rivalry series games, 608 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: were they a little down, They were they noticeably bummed 609 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: from having gotten swept. 610 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 5: I think that's one thing that the PWHL has created 611 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 5: is you don't have a lot of time for sorrow 612 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 5: or happiness, even if it's after a World championship, like 613 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,719 Speaker 5: you come back, you play in two days. 614 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 6: So it makes the season very very demanding. 615 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 5: And you know, ultimately for us last year, when we 616 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 5: take about the World Championship in Czech Ya, like we 617 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 5: we were able to grow every game and in the 618 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,959 Speaker 5: final game, you know, we had what we taught was 619 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 5: our best game and unfortunately we lost in overtime. And 620 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 5: that's the reality of hockey when it's that close between 621 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 5: Canada and US. And you know, some of the teams 622 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 5: that are coming up, like the Checks, like the Fins, 623 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 5: they're tough opponents. So you know it's going to be 624 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 5: a great tournament. And for us, we want to you know, 625 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 5: we've selected our team. We have full confidence and we 626 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 5: selected and now we want to make sure that the 627 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,479 Speaker 5: team comes together, is united place for one another, and 628 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 5: we have the mindset that each game we're going to 629 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 5: get better and hopefully we get to see the US 630 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 5: again along that journey at the Olympics. 631 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 2: I want to ask you the same question. 632 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: Is there anything you saw during rivalry series that you 633 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: think Team Canada needs to improve to be able to 634 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: top the US and the Olympics or needs to do better. 635 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, it's easy to look at the 636 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 5: results and be like Canada got dominated. Yeah, maybe one 637 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 5: of the game really was not a good game for us, 638 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 5: but you know the two of the others for sure, 639 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 5: Like we had an opportunity to take the lead in 640 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 5: the game by one by two goals. 641 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 6: And we didn't. 642 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 5: So you know, games can shift really quickly on you 643 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 5: when you don't put pucks away in the back of 644 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 5: the net. And the US is talented, they're young, they're confident, 645 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 5: they're not going to miss if you give them multiple chances. 646 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 5: So I think we have learned how we need to 647 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 5: play to be successful against them. There's not one perfect 648 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 5: way to play to win. You know, different types can 649 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 5: make you successful as a team. And you know, we 650 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 5: one thing we have is a lot of experience, and 651 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 5: the Olympic stage is a high pressure moment and experience 652 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 5: is very valuable. 653 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 6: So as I said, we get on this with players that. 654 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 5: Have experienced it many times, and we want to grow 655 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 5: and get better every game and hopefully we get to 656 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 5: see one another again later on. 657 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: We're all hoping for that out in Italy. If I 658 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: see you out there, I'll be very kind. I won't 659 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: even talk Smac, I'll say hi. I'll wish you the best. 660 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: I'll be the most mature, nice and good. I can 661 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: be like you two are, which is not not my nature. 662 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us. 663 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: It was so fun to talk to you and so 664 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: exciting to hear your perspective ahead of the games. Also, 665 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: put the kids to bed and watch Heated Rivals because 666 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: your names are going to keep coming up. People are 667 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 1: going to keep citing you as the real life Heated 668 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: Rivalry story, so you got to know what they're talking 669 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: about and be able to, you know, shoot the shit 670 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: about the show as well, so you know, find some 671 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: time for that when you need a break. 672 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 6: That sounds great. 673 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 3: Thanks so much for this, Sarah. This is a lot 674 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 3: of fun. 675 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 6: Thank you, Sarah. 676 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 2: Thanks again to Caro and Julie for taking the time. 677 00:28:50,480 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 2: We got to take another break stick here come back, Slices. 678 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: We love that you're listening, but we want you to 679 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: get in the game every day too, So here's our 680 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: good game play of the day. Follow Carolyn and Julie 681 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: on social media. We'll link to their Instagram accounts in 682 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: the show notes, and we'll also link to that twenty 683 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: twenty two Sports Illustrated article we mentioned featuring Julie Caro 684 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: and two other Canadian American hockey couples. We always love 685 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: to hear from you, so hit us up on email 686 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: good game at wondermedianetwork dot com or leave us a 687 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: voicemail at eight seven two two oh four fifty seventy, 688 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: and don't forget to subscribe, rate and review slices. 689 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 2: It's real lazy. 690 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: Watch the power of art, even kind of smutty art, 691 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: rating one very full Inbox of DMS review. Hudson Williams, 692 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: who stars as Shane Hollander in the Heated Rivalry series, 693 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: told Andy Cohene he's been getting emails from folks thanking 694 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: him for the show. Said Williams quote, it's definitely the 695 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: people who reach out somewhat anonymously, who are like, I'm 696 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: a professional player still and I'm still. 697 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 2: In the closet. End quote. 698 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: William says he's heard from hockey players, football players, and 699 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: basketball players, and he says, quote, those ones are the 700 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: ones that really just kind of hit you and go, oh. 701 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: So this is a fun show and it's celebratory, but 702 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: also sometimes it's just hitting people right in the nerve 703 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: end quote. We're all having a lot of fun with 704 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: how sexy the show is, how romantic the show is, 705 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: but it's also really powerful to be reminded of the 706 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: impact it might have on the professional men's sports space. 707 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: We're seeing more out players as long overdue. 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