Speaker 1: I'm sure your dad impacted more golfing lives than most
Speaker 1: people play this pg A tour, but all of us
Speaker 1: have some path in American golf, pretty much to the
Speaker 1: PGA of America. So it's a it's a it's a
Speaker 1: great life really and it's a life of giving. Um.
Speaker 1: So anyway, thank you for that. Put another log on
Speaker 1: the fire nobody here is get the time. All right, Hello,
Speaker 1: this is Alan ship Knock back for another fire Drill podcast.
Speaker 1: On my left Michael Bamberger, frequent wingman. We are here
Speaker 1: in the press room at UM Southern Hills almost at
Speaker 1: Oakland Hills, Southern Hills, Tulsa, Oklahoma. One of the great
Speaker 1: things about the pg Championship is it the one week
Speaker 1: all year we really celebrate the club pros. They get
Speaker 1: the stage and they get the who do is that
Speaker 1: they deserve. We know it's a challenging profession. And joining
Speaker 1: us is Rick Riley, the head pro at Wilshire Country
Speaker 1: Club in l A. Rick, thanks for being here. You
Speaker 1: great to be here. Thanks thanks for having me on
Speaker 1: your podcast. Looking forward to Oh yeah, well, as Michael
Speaker 1: said a minute ago, which it was under a little
Speaker 1: happier circumstances, but uh, you know, your father was a
Speaker 1: legend in the field, and he was past president of
Speaker 1: the PGA Championship and unfortunately passed away recently, and Michael
Speaker 1: here wrote a beautiful tribute that kind of introduced him
Speaker 1: to some of our readers, and we thought, you know,
Speaker 1: this being the PGA, we just we wanted to talk
Speaker 1: a little bit more about his life and legacy. And Michael,
Speaker 1: let me turn it over to you. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: it was ne Rick here and life is so weird.
Speaker 1: I got interested in in your in your dad's life
Speaker 1: by reporting another story and then someone brought up your
Speaker 1: dad's name and I was interested in the father something
Speaker 1: and how the game gets handed down, and of course
Speaker 1: you're a great example of that. So what you know,
Speaker 1: maybe that's a starting point. Uh what's it like to
Speaker 1: grow up under the watch of a pg A club
Speaker 1: professional and then become one yourself. Well, my dad was
Speaker 1: unique individual. He you know, obviously started out with a lot,
Speaker 1: not a lot. But you know, the one thing I
Speaker 1: learned from my dad is, you know, he always talked about, like,
Speaker 1: to be a good PGA professional, you have to be
Speaker 1: like a five point player. You have to be a
Speaker 1: player a teacher and merchandiser administrator, but the most important thing,
Speaker 1: you gotta be a people person. So I mean, he he,
Speaker 1: He was an ant El Camino for ten years and
Speaker 1: for thirty years, I just kind of watched him, you know,
Speaker 1: deal with the people, you know, take care of the
Speaker 1: ladies who couldn't get it across the over the bunker,
Speaker 1: and at the end of the the day, you're just you're
Speaker 1: you're trying to promote the game of golf, you know,
Speaker 1: but people have a good time playing golf, and get
Speaker 1: him getting walking away from the golf course with like
Speaker 1: a great experience. So for me, it's kind of something
Speaker 1: I've watched Dan Dale and my dad had grown up
Speaker 1: at and he'd be I'd be in his office, he'd
Speaker 1: be chewing me out for someone banging a club or
Speaker 1: getting upset or something like that. But it was always, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, do it the right way. He's his his
Speaker 1: his motto was the right way, the wrong way, in
Speaker 1: the right way. So um, kind of big shoes to fill,
Speaker 1: but that's that's kind of what he talked about. And
Speaker 1: I kind of tried to follow his lead all these
Speaker 1: years and and just um, you know, obviously I missed him,
Speaker 1: but you know he's still here in my heart and
Speaker 1: try to do what he would do, you know, thinking
Speaker 1: about when you make a decision on something like what
Speaker 1: would pat Riley do? That type of thing. So it's
Speaker 1: I've been lucky that way to have that kind of
Speaker 1: fall back on. That's that's really beautiful. I love that.
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't have the pleasure of ever meeting
Speaker 1: your dad, but from from reading Michael's words and some
Speaker 1: of the things you said through the years and we've
Speaker 1: been playing golf, it he just seemed like a larger
Speaker 1: than life character. And it's almost and something seems like
Speaker 1: a dying breed where you have these these club pros
Speaker 1: who stay at one place for thirty years, like like
Speaker 1: like like your dad did and Dale and maybe you'll
Speaker 1: do it at Wilshire. But I mean, how important is
Speaker 1: it to the life of the club when when you
Speaker 1: have these figures who transcend the generations and and really
Speaker 1: bring that continuity and become just a part of the
Speaker 1: fabric of the life of a club. You know, it's
Speaker 1: funny to hear you've been here since seven Wilshire and
Speaker 1: you know it's kind of it's it's a family. We
Speaker 1: kind of talked about the family aspect of the membership
Speaker 1: as well as my team here, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: just you know, we're all we're all really lucky to
Speaker 1: come to a golf course every day. I mean, you
Speaker 1: look in other parts of life and it's we're not
Speaker 1: not so blessed on people. So it's it's coming here,
Speaker 1: you know, doing the right thing for all the members
Speaker 1: and our team here. It's it's it's I like to
Speaker 1: come to work every day. I guess said, they're paying
Speaker 1: me to do this. Yeah, that's great, but it's it's something.
Speaker 1: It's something as a kid, I want to be at
Speaker 1: the golf course all day. I'm kind of a golf
Speaker 1: course junkie. So it's it's a great place to be.
Speaker 1: We're very lucky here, will Shure. You've got a great,
Speaker 1: great club here, great history and here for a hundred
Speaker 1: and two years now, and just want to make sure
Speaker 1: that you know, when people walk away from Welsh whether
Speaker 1: it's a member or guest like this had a great time.
Speaker 1: Then that's that's kind of what golf and in any
Speaker 1: clubs should be that way in the country, like enjoy
Speaker 1: the day, the game, walk away and get experience you
Speaker 1: may know this, but there was a World Golf Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer Uh at Mr Riley's funeral, Dean Beamon gave
Speaker 1: the second reading. Uh yeah, I mean that's quite his
Speaker 1: statement because Demon is not a young man and he
Speaker 1: lives in Florida, so it's a long way to come.
Speaker 1: What what what did that mean to and what can
Speaker 1: you tell us about the relationship between dem Bam and
Speaker 1: with jam Bon and your dad? Well, they had an
Speaker 1: interestant relationship because obviously my dad was representing the PJA
Speaker 1: of America, the best censors of the PJA American Demons
Speaker 1: obviously representing the best censers of the PGA Tour. But
Speaker 1: at the same time they're both trying to grow the
Speaker 1: game of golf. And there are some things obviously over
Speaker 1: the years, like we have the PGA Championship and got
Speaker 1: twenty PGA Club pros in there right now, which is
Speaker 1: which is great. I mean that's a big deal for
Speaker 1: our PGA club phone professional playing this event. At one
Speaker 1: time there were forty players. That was probably too many.
Speaker 1: But uh, those two, those two very interesting relationship because
Speaker 1: they were they butted heads a lot back in the
Speaker 1: day when he was when he was the president PGA
Speaker 1: when Dean was running the tour, but they became good
Speaker 1: friends because they able to work out their differences and
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it was it was
Speaker 1: all about what's best for the game of golf. They
Speaker 1: always had that vision, like what's what's the best thing
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, and it's it's it's
Speaker 1: sometimes easy to get caught up in that, but it's
Speaker 1: I think both of those my dad and Dean had
Speaker 1: the same vision from that perspective. Very neat. That that
Speaker 1: is neat. I mean, it was just a quirk of
Speaker 1: faith that that your your dad was running the Page
Speaker 1: of America during the Shoal Creek controversy, which was very
Speaker 1: impactful for the entire sport and really the whole culture
Speaker 1: of golf and now and then he seemed like he
Speaker 1: did a fantastic job guiding the PG of America into
Speaker 1: this this new year where you know, it really became
Speaker 1: something that it was sort of a background issue. People
Speaker 1: knew about it, but for those aren't familiar, Shoal Creek
Speaker 1: was this host club in Alabama and they didn't have
Speaker 1: they had an all white membership, and that became controversial
Speaker 1: based on some public statements by their club president, and
Speaker 1: very quickly, under the leadership of your dad, things changed
Speaker 1: and should Creeks membership changed, and it swept throughout the
Speaker 1: whole Gulf world. And how much you remember that that
Speaker 1: conversation around the at the dinner table, and what can
Speaker 1: you tell us about about that very fraught moment. You know,
Speaker 1: it's interesting because uh, you know, back then it was
Speaker 1: it was. It was difficult for my dad because you know,
Speaker 1: he obviously working at a club um and he had
Speaker 1: to you know, Ian hall Thompson, we're buddies always all
Speaker 1: rand Shawl Creek and you know when you're when you're
Speaker 1: doing you're gonna host PJ Champs, you're going to the
Speaker 1: US Open, you're going pg A, British Open, the Masters,
Speaker 1: and you're seeing what everyone's doing, right, And it was
Speaker 1: kind of an innocuous comment, but it kind of caught
Speaker 1: win about a month before and you know, he had
Speaker 1: he had to make a decision. He and Hallward buddies
Speaker 1: to usten home, get two choices, rather going to admit
Speaker 1: a minority member or we're gonna move it down the road.
Speaker 1: And obviously they admitted a minority member, which has been
Speaker 1: in the best interes of hall clubs, and I think
Speaker 1: a lot of clubs now have taken on this name.
Speaker 1: Much more inclusive golf is a much more inclusive sport.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it's because of what my dad did,
Speaker 1: but it's just, um, it definitely helped start the conversation.
Speaker 1: Of course, No, it was a very principal stand. I
Speaker 1: mean that that's when you think about golf and race,
Speaker 1: and it's been a little bit of a tortured history,
Speaker 1: but that's a very important milestone that helps set about
Speaker 1: a widespread chain. So I wouldn't underplay his role that
Speaker 1: at all. And then uh, and then another event. This
Speaker 1: is so obscure and so hard to explain, but it
Speaker 1: was a really big deal at the time because people
Speaker 1: think this whole thing with live golf that's going now
Speaker 1: is the first time golfer ever had any controversy. They
Speaker 1: weren't around like your dad was for the square groove controversy.
Speaker 1: And you could open up the Wall Street Journal, the
Speaker 1: New York Times and see schematic diagrams with grooves. Look
Speaker 1: like at how much volume of groove there was. It
Speaker 1: was crazily inside baseball. It was quite interesting. But your
Speaker 1: dad was in the middle of it in the simplest
Speaker 1: terms possible. Couldn't explain what it was, what your dad's
Speaker 1: stance was on it. You know, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, you know, listen to square groups saying, you know,
Speaker 1: it benefited the tour player, Yeah they can, they can
Speaker 1: spin it out of the rough, but for the for
Speaker 1: the rank and file member, like we got, golf is
Speaker 1: a tough game. You just stand listen, we gotta make
Speaker 1: it better for for all the players, not just the
Speaker 1: two percent on their you know, you know, making their
Speaker 1: name on tour and that type of thing. And you know,
Speaker 1: and and for the manufacturers as well. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: paying had a lot of money invested in their molds
Speaker 1: and that it's like that that that made it more
Speaker 1: fun for the everyday player to play golf. And that
Speaker 1: was kind of his you know, my dad was a
Speaker 1: great ball ster. He always start with a potty and
Speaker 1: he he used a long Partterny's like, let Pat Ratty
Speaker 1: use a long puttery. Let's let's let these guys use
Speaker 1: a long putter. So it's all about making the game
Speaker 1: more playable. The games and listen to the US g
Speaker 1: In the last couple of years has made some changes.
Speaker 1: The game is definitely more playable now, some of the
Speaker 1: things they've done to make it, the rules easier, some
Speaker 1: of the some of the things that relaxed. And obviously
Speaker 1: the ball, the flight, how long the ball going. That's
Speaker 1: that's going to continue. But his whole, his whole stance.
Speaker 1: And I was listening to PGA tour players. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: you bifurcated. You know, you don't let them use that.
Speaker 1: But the everyday player, let me hit, let me hit
Speaker 1: a shot of a bunker out of the rough lund
Speaker 1: of ball stop on the green celler. You know, it's
Speaker 1: it's make it fun, make it playable, make it more
Speaker 1: enjoyable for everybody. And that was kind of his. It
Speaker 1: was his direction. That's so sensible. Like I never walked
Speaker 1: up a golf course and geez, I was really spitting
Speaker 1: my wedge too much today, Like I'm really bubbed about
Speaker 1: how sucking those wedges back. That just doesn't happen. I
Speaker 1: was starting to a fellow today who was going to
Speaker 1: be the next president of the of the U s
Speaker 1: J and like he was telling me about what would
Speaker 1: be in his a. Jenny is a very interesting, smart guy,
Speaker 1: and I was thinking, I wish I could just say
Speaker 1: what I feel, which is you want to you want
Speaker 1: to simplify golf for people. You can't make worse than
Speaker 1: a triple bogey, move on, and you can't write and
Speaker 1: for handicapped purposes for everybody, doesn't matter where levels, no
Speaker 1: one cares. Just drop it where we're out in your
Speaker 1: chemic wors in triple and the game is going to
Speaker 1: be faster and more enjoyable for more people. But we do.
Speaker 1: Your dad, I think, had the right attitude, did your
Speaker 1: dad of relationship with Arren Palmer, because he Arnold had
Speaker 1: very much the same attitude. Yeah, so my dad. You know,
Speaker 1: they're both from western Pennsylvania. My dad would from Sharon
Speaker 1: al from Latrope and they actually they become pretty good
Speaker 1: friends because at annandale Um Arnold would come out every
Speaker 1: year and playing an exhibition to raise money for the
Speaker 1: Methodist Hospital and sat in Pasadena. So for twenty years
Speaker 1: my dad would play, you know, he had Laura Baugh,
Speaker 1: Julie Ekster, Mark McCormick would play because Mark obviously was
Speaker 1: you know, one of the visionaries in golf with you know,
Speaker 1: the first three guys were obviously Nick was Palmer and player. Um,
Speaker 1: and then so every year you got to know, you
Speaker 1: got to know the family. And and Arnold was I
Speaker 1: mean he's he's still in obviously everyone's money. He's he's
Speaker 1: the greatest. I mean what he's done for golf. And
Speaker 1: my dad and he got along real well. They they've
Speaker 1: had similar views on things. And you both from kind
Speaker 1: of a you know, less than wealthy family. They worked
Speaker 1: their way to the top. So, um, yeah, it was great,
Speaker 1: It was very lucky. I gotta I got a picture
Speaker 1: of offs of me and Armald here, I got a
Speaker 1: picture sitting here with my dad and all I'm like
Speaker 1: ten years old, walk in Brookside. So it's you know,
Speaker 1: those are those are memories all always told my heart.
Speaker 1: So is that your dad behind you in that photograph?
Speaker 1: And over your right shoulder, that's Bobby Jones. I gotta
Speaker 1: cheat part of him. Um, did you ever consider doing
Speaker 1: anything else for a living? Rick? What excuse me? Did
Speaker 1: you ever do any consider doing anything else for a
Speaker 1: living than what you're doing? Now? You know, it's funny.
Speaker 1: I played golf in college. You have had a golf scholarship,
Speaker 1: and I was, I was, I wasn't playing great when
Speaker 1: I got out of school and I see, now I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna. I mean, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go into this business, my dad's band. So I went
Speaker 1: to work for the guy that worked for my dad,
Speaker 1: Pete Co down allaho As there for four years and
Speaker 1: I was gonna after that, I was gonna go to
Speaker 1: work for my dad. And this this position opened up
Speaker 1: at Wilshire and I've been ever since. But yeah, um,
Speaker 1: I always kind of said, you know that the club
Speaker 1: pro is the guy that kind of promotes the game
Speaker 1: of golf. The tour pros were making the money, but
Speaker 1: the club pros really the guy behind the scenes. It's
Speaker 1: really you know, getting the kids to learn how to
Speaker 1: play golf, getting the girls out there, the young kids,
Speaker 1: the only people, and that's what it's all about. You mean,
Speaker 1: that's I mean, golf is obviously had a great boom
Speaker 1: as a result of COVID, but it I hope it continues.
Speaker 1: We've got to keep, you know, keep promoting the game
Speaker 1: of golf. I mean, it's it's a game for everybody.
Speaker 1: Like this is super super obscure. But was there a
Speaker 1: outing at Willshire a few years back where Charlie sever,
Speaker 1: Tom Siever's father, Bobby Jones and maybe Hagen played together.
Speaker 1: Did ever hear of such a thing? Yeah, we got
Speaker 1: some great history here. We got uh, you know, we
Speaker 1: had the l a open here back in the thirties
Speaker 1: and forties. Um, yeah, I'm sure those guys. We have
Speaker 1: some pictures hanging on the walls here and I'm sure
Speaker 1: that was the case. Definitely Bobby ken Hogan, much of
Speaker 1: those old timers. But yeah, the reason comes to mind
Speaker 1: is I think Sandy Tatum told me that that's how
Speaker 1: he uh, that's how he got interested in golf. Was
Speaker 1: was going to an exhibition where Tom Severs father Charlie
Speaker 1: Severs playing with Poppy Jones literally in the twenties and
Speaker 1: and uh Tatum lived near the courts and went over there,
Speaker 1: and and uh and and so for the end, Sandy's
Speaker 1: dad was actually one of the first members of Wilshire.
Speaker 1: And Sandy told a great story here. He grew up
Speaker 1: here on Wilshire, his dad was a member, and he
Speaker 1: told a great story where you was misbehaving, you know,
Speaker 1: banging his cloud like we all did his kids, and
Speaker 1: he said, listen, you're gonna sit right here. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna play the golf that he's you're just gonna wait
Speaker 1: here and when I come through the term, we're gonna talk.
Speaker 1: So I guess Sandy sat there for three hours waiting
Speaker 1: for his dad to make the turn or you know,
Speaker 1: finished around in golf, and he said, I learned my
Speaker 1: lesson that day. So Sandy was great. He came here
Speaker 1: and made it, had made a great a great speech
Speaker 1: about mystery. Passed away about ten years ago. And he
Speaker 1: was a cool story because here's a guy that ran
Speaker 1: in the U. S. G A, you know, the pillar
Speaker 1: of golf and the utmost gentleman and talked about, hey,
Speaker 1: you know he help golf like made him, made him nuts,
Speaker 1: but he kind of learned from his mistakes. So it's
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool stuff. Is Howard Hughes a member of
Speaker 1: your Place. Art Hughes was a member. He his his
Speaker 1: house was on the eighth hole. Stories about you know
Speaker 1: him playing and I guess Kathryne Hepper just sitting up
Speaker 1: on the balcony kind of distracting the guys playing, and uh,
Speaker 1: the funny stories they talked. They say land the plane
Speaker 1: on number six, but he actually landed the plane on
Speaker 1: the eighth, told Bell Air. I guess Jathon Pepper was
Speaker 1: playing golf and he he landed a plane. He was
Speaker 1: a member there as well, and uh actually get chicked
Speaker 1: out because it took like a month to disassemble the
Speaker 1: plane on the bell Air. I didn't have enough runway
Speaker 1: to just like fly it out of there like he
Speaker 1: was take it off. Firestone would be a good golf
Speaker 1: course to land a plane on. Bell Air definitely not
Speaker 1: too many canyons and cravasses. Uh, well, that's great. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just fun to talk about this stuff with you, Rick,
Speaker 1: I mean, just to bring this to a close up
Speaker 1: in in this aftermath after your father has passed away.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've heard from a lot of people in
Speaker 1: the game. Is there any anything that's been particularly memorable
Speaker 1: or meaningful to you? You know, I've I've had so
Speaker 1: many people, you know, semi notoates and condolence citizen. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's um obviously it's the first time I really
Speaker 1: lost a close relative like that. But just you know
Speaker 1: what what he meant to so many people, like the
Speaker 1: words they the words they wrote and spoke to me.
Speaker 1: We're just very meaningful and heartfelt, you know, Like I said,
Speaker 1: he's he's he's a big he's a big legend in
Speaker 1: the game of golf. Um and its spirit will carry on.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's right here and like like I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep doing what he wanted me to do.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of the people that worked
Speaker 1: from are in the same boat. They were kind of
Speaker 1: trained by Pat Riley and they like he says, it's
Speaker 1: they're gonna do it the Riley way. It's neat. And
Speaker 1: he played in a PJ championship, played in Columbine and
Speaker 1: up that's neat. Yeah, I mean, you gotta have a
Speaker 1: lot of golf game. There's a lot of club pros
Speaker 1: who want to play in the tournament only for to
Speaker 1: get in. Yeah, exactly, exactly, that's great. I love this
Speaker 1: is this is really one of the special things about
Speaker 1: this tournament. The average fan that they see these these
Speaker 1: club pros and they're not familiar with the names and
Speaker 1: not George Speede, that's not really relay, so they don't
Speaker 1: they don't really invest in the stories. But when you
Speaker 1: dig into the stories of the guys who make it there,
Speaker 1: it's really special. So a couple of kids in our sitting,
Speaker 1: you know, Michael Block, Who's and you had, you know,
Speaker 1: seventy one today. But I mean, it's that's. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty amazing that yet twenty club pros who
Speaker 1: probably played maybe one or two events all year and
Speaker 1: they're gonna play in a major championship. So it's a
Speaker 1: really hard course, really hard golf course. It's it's and
Speaker 1: and people say why they listen because it's a PGA
Speaker 1: of America. That's who we are. We're promoting the game
Speaker 1: of golf for developing players. And when a game makes
Speaker 1: it cut, it's it's I mean, it's gravy, but it's
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's great for all the golf
Speaker 1: to see these guys out there in the stories and
Speaker 1: you know what it took term to get there. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's impressive. I agree. Well, Rick, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for doing this with us. And for those who
Speaker 1: are listening to this podcast. Michael's story will be up
Speaker 1: at Firepit Collective dot com. It's it's beautifully done. I
Speaker 1: would really encourage yeah, no, it really, it was really moving,
Speaker 1: and um, I would encourage you to check out the story.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a must read. So and Curiously, the
Speaker 1: philanthropy that you designated for for child Bold Gifts and
Speaker 1: your dad's name is one that's deer to the fire
Speaker 1: Pit Collective as well as I'm sure you know, but
Speaker 1: but I didn't know at all. I mean, that was
Speaker 1: just a weird coincidence. But maybe you could explain what
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, it was for goat Hill Park, which
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of the junior program there, I guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: the junior program and the Caddy program. It's really sort
Speaker 1: of the spiritual home of the fire Per Collective. You know,
Speaker 1: our guys played there all the time, and it's it's
Speaker 1: going to be at the site of different initiatives that
Speaker 1: we run through. So it I mean, that's very kind
Speaker 1: of you, Rick. We won't appreciate. You know. What's funny
Speaker 1: because my dad was a dull community which is just
Speaker 1: around the corner. I can remember there's a kid canny
Speaker 1: for my dad when I was like ten years old,
Speaker 1: when it was when it was it was Oceanside right
Speaker 1: now it's going Hill. But and just that whole North
Speaker 1: I got my start and you know North County Junior Golf.
Speaker 1: My dad got to start Caddy and so it's just
Speaker 1: it's a perfect marriage because I mean I've seen like
Speaker 1: three of the kids that are go down for some
Speaker 1: of the terms down there, and there's three kids going
Speaker 1: to college this year that would have probably not gone
Speaker 1: to school. We're not for God Hill Caddy Academy. It's
Speaker 1: it's impressive. With all due respect to anybody who wins
Speaker 1: this championship, Jason Duffner and and everybody else is everyone,
Speaker 1: I'm sure your dad impacted more golfing lives than most
Speaker 1: people play this PGA tour. Uh And I think that
Speaker 1: message really it's hard to tell that message, but it's
Speaker 1: the truth. And anybody who knows club golf and knows
Speaker 1: the kind of life that your dad led and lots
Speaker 1: of other people just like them, you know that they
Speaker 1: changed my life and Alan's life working coming up as
Speaker 1: a cardboy. And you know, if you look at Alan's
Speaker 1: starting golf as a carboy Pebble Beach, at some point,
Speaker 1: it's you know, there was a headpro was way on
Speaker 1: high and it filtered on down and influenced Alan. Same
Speaker 1: for me, same for you in a very different way.
Speaker 1: But all of us have some path in American golf
Speaker 1: pretty much to the PGA of America. So it's a
Speaker 1: it's a it's a great life really and it's a
Speaker 1: life of giving. Um. So anyway, thank you for that.
Speaker 1: Appreciate that. Rick, Thank you again for being here. You too, Michael.
Speaker 1: Well we'll bring this fire drill to a close. But
Speaker 1: um to a little tip of the cap to uh to.
Speaker 1: Pat Riley's no doubt looking down on on this event
Speaker 1: with a with a with a rice smile. So um
Speaker 1: signing off from Southern Hills. But thanks again, Rick, Thanks
Speaker 1: you guys, appreciate it. Put another log on the fire.
Speaker 1: Nobody here is get the time.