1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The Nick Reiner alleged murder 2 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: rampage triggered because of Hollywood weight gain fears. 3 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 2: Two people dead. 4 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: To never be and their children's lives again, their grandchildren's lives, 5 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: our lives. Rob and Michelle Reiner dead because of Hollywood 6 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: weight gain fears that triggered the whole thing. 7 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. 8 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us. Rob 9 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: Reiner and Michelle Reiner brutally slashed dead in their own beds, 10 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: slaughtered in their own home. 11 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: It's just unthinkable. 12 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 3: We are fully confident. 13 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 4: That you'll convict Nick Reiner beyond the reasonable doubt of 14 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 4: the brutal murders of his parents, Rod Reiner and Michelle 15 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 4: Singer Reiner, and do so unanimous. 16 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 5: Then, thank you very much, Ninda. 17 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 6: Sources saint Reiner believes he's the victim of a conspiracy 18 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 6: after killing his parents. Claims Reiner knows he killed his parents, 19 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 6: but doesn't understand why he's in jail. Reiner thinks people 20 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 6: are conspiring against him. Sources claim it's likely Reiner will 21 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 6: plead not guilty by reason of insanity, placing the blame 22 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 6: on unbalanced schizophrenia meds. 23 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: That's right, Nick Reiner is sitting behind bars on the 24 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: double murder charges of his father, Rob Reiner and mother 25 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: Michelle Singer Reiner. 26 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: Yet he thinks, hey, hey, Nick Reiner is the victim. 27 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure how that flipped around, straight out 28 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: to Dr Bethany Marshall joining us renown psycho Anas, author 29 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: of deal Breaker, joining us from this jurisdiction. You can 30 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: see her now on peacock and find her at doctor 31 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com. 32 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 2: How did that flip? They're dead, their throats were split 33 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: in their bed. 34 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: They sustained multiple knife wounds indicating they fought back. Yet 35 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: he thinks he's the victim of a conspiracy. And number two, 36 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: after I finished with Doctor Bethany Marshall, I'm going to 37 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: go to defense attorney Josh Coldry because I think the 38 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: defense is leaking all of this in dribbles to tank 39 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: the jury pool. But that said, how has he determined 40 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: he's the victim? Doctor Bethany Well. 41 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: Nancy, There's two possibilities. 42 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 7: One is that he has been drug addicted for so 43 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 7: long that he has a personality disorder that has developed 44 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 7: that just compels him to manipulate people all the time, 45 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 7: to always feel that it's everybody else's fault and he 46 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 7: bears no responsibility. The other is that he could have 47 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 7: a drug induced psychosis that is still lingering that causes paranoia, 48 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 7: and that paranoia was an element in the slaying of 49 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 7: his parents, for instance, feeling like they were the devil 50 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 7: coming to get him, or the devil was going to 51 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 7: get them, so he had to kill them to spare 52 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 7: their souls, or some paranoid conspiracy like that that's still 53 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 7: lingering on while he's incarcerated. 54 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: I mean to Alexis Tereschuk in the courtroom, watching every 55 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: move during the first hearings, Alexis Tereschuk, Crime Stories, investigative reporter, 56 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: Alexis All of this. 57 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: Is dribbling out. 58 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: I believe leaked by the defense because let's look at 59 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: who has access to Nick Reiner. 60 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: To get his defense. Only his defense attorneys. 61 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: They're the only ones speaking to him behind bars. 62 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: He's in isolation. 63 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: He is not around other inmates because they don't want 64 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: him to be killed. They don't want him to commit 65 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: suicide and pull in Epstein, So who else can he 66 00:03:59,200 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: talk to? 67 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: This is coming from the defense. 68 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: These insanity theories, these schizophrenic. 69 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: Theories, it's all coming from the defense. 70 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: They are trying to skew public opinion before a jury 71 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: has even struck Alexis. 72 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 8: And his defense attorney at the time when I was 73 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 8: in court was Alan Jackson, super high profile, you know 74 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 8: him from the Karen Reid trial and many others. But 75 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 8: he has said, white blank, he is not guilty by 76 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 8: reason of insanity. And the way that he's going to 77 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 8: do that is there are all these stories that are 78 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 8: out there now about so Nick was on anti psychosis medicine, 79 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 8: he was schizophrenic. He has been in rehab since he 80 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 8: was fifteen years old. He is now in his thirties, 81 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 8: so fifteen years of different rehibs in and out, in 82 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 8: and out, in and out. His parents have tried to 83 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 8: stop the addiction. They've tried to help him with a 84 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 8: job so he would have his own money, so he 85 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 8: wouldn't feel overshadowed by his father's amazing career. But then 86 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 8: now the story's coming out allegedly that he has very, 87 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 8: very concerned about the medicine that he's on because it 88 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 8: was making him gain weight. And again, you're right, Nancy, 89 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 8: no one else is visiting Nick except his attorneys. 90 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall. 91 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: Much has been made of Nick Reiner using meth methamphetamine. 92 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: Isn't it true that psychiatrists, medical professionals, psychologists, psychoanalysts all 93 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: agree that behavior while high on methamphetamine mimics schizophrenic psychosis. 94 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 7: Absolutely, Nancy. When you think of the delusions, the hallucinations, 95 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 7: the paranoia, the mood swings, you know, you can take 96 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 7: those symptoms and assume it's schizophrenia, but you it could 97 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 7: be caused by many other factors. And in this case, 98 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 7: my first thought was methamphetamine. Methamphetamine when I heard this story. So, 99 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 7: methamphetamine mimic schizophrenia, which is organic and genetic in nature. 100 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: And isn't it true that the use of meth meth 101 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:14,119 Speaker 1: amphetamine actually exacerbates if you do have schizophrenia, it exacerbates, 102 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: it makes it much. 103 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 7: Worse, Absolutely, Nancy. Or let's say you have latent schizophrenia, 104 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 7: meaning your schizophrenic, but the symptoms have not yet emerged. 105 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 7: If you start using methanphetamine, it will bring those latent 106 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 7: symptoms out. So think about the fact that he was 107 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 7: in eighteen rehabs from the time he was fifteen years old. 108 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 7: Schizophrenia develops between the ages of eighteen and twenty one. 109 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 7: It could be that he actually activated a latent schizophrenia, 110 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 7: or because of all the methews, he just presented with 111 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 7: the same symptoms as schizophrenia. One way to know is 112 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 7: how long those symptoms last once he's behind bars. So 113 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 7: let's say those symptoms of paranoia, the delusions, the hallucine 114 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 7: nations go on for months. Once he's incarcerated. Then you say, ah, okay, 115 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 7: he's no longer using math, but he's still acting schizophrenic. 116 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 7: He's schizophrenic. 117 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 2: But if those. 118 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 7: Symptoms remit fairly soon, then we know it's propelled by 119 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 7: the myth. 120 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 6: Some psychologists claim meth amphetamine psychosis, a possible effect of 121 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 6: heavy meth use characterized by paranoia and hallucinations, closely resembles schizophrenia, 122 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 6: typically considered a thought disorder. Schizophrenia is also characterized by 123 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 6: hallucinations and delusions, accompanied by reduced emotional expression, lack of motivation, 124 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 6: social withdrawal, and poverty of speech. Studies show nearly twenty 125 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 6: two percent of patients first treated for methamphetamine psychosis are 126 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 6: later diagnosed with schizophrenia. 127 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 9: I got totally spun out on uppers. I think it 128 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 9: was coke and something else, and I was up for 129 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 9: days on end, and I started punching out different things 130 00:07:58,720 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 9: in my guest. 131 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 2: Houts, like a friend, like like what like a stuff 132 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: in I. 133 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 9: Think I started with the TV and then I went 134 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 9: over to the lamp and then progressive. I just everything 135 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 9: in the guest house got wrecked. 136 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: From the Dopey podcast and on that podcast, Nick Reiner 137 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: has been very very candid about his addiction to various 138 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: drugs heroin, marijuana, uppers, downs, including metha amphetamine and the 139 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: reason this matters now to Josh Colesrue, joining US veteran 140 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor, and founder of the Colsru 141 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: Law Offices, The reason it matters now which drug he 142 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: was addicted to is because how can he argue some 143 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: type of mental psychosis as a defense when that psychosis 144 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: could be actually the use of methamphetamine or some type 145 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: of psychotic state brought on by the use of metha 146 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: and fetamine. Because you and I know that voluntary use 147 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: of drugs or alcohol is. 148 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 2: Not a defense. 149 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: So if he has now developed a psychosis because of myth, 150 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: how can that be a defense? 151 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 2: That's voluntary use of drugs. 152 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 4: I've actually litigated this issue, Nancy, and the law in 153 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 4: California actually covers this exact scenario. So what is important 154 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 4: is what was controlling on the date of event. Was 155 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 4: it the drug use potentially the methamphetamine, or was it schizophrenia. 156 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 10: You can have both. 157 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 4: You can have both schizophrenia and drug use. But what 158 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 4: the judge is going to have to decide when he 159 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 4: decides whether or not insanity is going to be even 160 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 4: allowed to be used, is what was controlling. So if 161 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 4: we find out that he had methamphetamine in his system 162 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 4: and that he voluntarily took it within a reasonable period 163 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 4: of time before he murdered his parents, the prosecutors will 164 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 4: have a decent argument that insanity doesn't apply in this case. However, 165 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 4: the defense has a great argument that he was suffering 166 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 4: from psychosis that he has no control over. First, we 167 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 4: know that he has a diagnosis for schizophrenia, right and 168 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 4: that second that his antipsychotic medication had just been changed, 169 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 4: And in medicine, that is a danger window. You know, 170 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 4: Medicine is what keeps a psychotic mind tethered to reality. 171 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 4: And third, look at what happens immediately following his arrest. 172 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 4: He acknowledges that he murdered his parents, but he doesn't 173 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 4: understand why he's in jail, and he believes that this 174 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 4: case is a conspiracy. You know, that's not evasion, it's 175 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 4: not delusion. It's a person who doesn't understand the wrongfulness 176 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 4: of his actions, and under the law, that is what 177 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 4: insanity really is. 178 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: Okay, you know what. 179 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 1: I appreciate everything you're saying, Josh Colsruye, but I believe 180 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: his actions immediately after the murder show he did know 181 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: what he was doing was wrong. 182 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: Number One, he fled the scene. 183 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: Number two, he hid from his family and from police, 184 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: and there was a serious search for him, and he 185 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: managed to elude police. He checked into a motel under 186 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 1: his own name. 187 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: He knew how to do that. To avoid being caught. 188 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: He blacked out the windows in the motel with sheets 189 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: so no one could see him. He realized he was covered. 190 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: This is the inside of the motel. He realized he 191 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: was covered with his parents' blood. And he goes and 192 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: takes a shower, leaving a blood trail behind him, puts 193 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 1: on clean clothes, clean shoes, clean shirt pants, washes his 194 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: hair and then decides he's hungry and thirsty, walks to 195 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: a seven eleven very calmly and his matching outfit goes 196 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: straight to the refrigerated beverage area, gets a drink, and 197 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: then goes and stands patiently in line and pays for 198 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: his drink. He was hiding out. Then when police come 199 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: to arrest him, he doesn't fight, he doesn't say anything. 200 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: He holds his hands up. He knows why he is 201 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: getting arrested. This video from our friends at CBS News 202 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: and New York Post. I think that is going to 203 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: be controlling, no matter what is cooked up between now 204 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: and the trial crime stories with Nancy Grace joining me 205 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: right now, guys, special guest Rob Shooter. He is the 206 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: host of Naughty but Nice podcast, author of a brand 207 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 1: new hit book on Amazon called It Started with a 208 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: Whisper and you can find at Robsheeter dot substack dot com. 209 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: Oh you and Casey Anthony you're both on substack. My okay, 210 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: I'll let that pass. Robsheeter, how does he think he 211 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: is the victim? What can you tell us? What have 212 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: you learned from sources that are communicating with Nick Ryner 213 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: behind bars? 214 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of information is coming. At first of all, 215 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 3: I think I just want to emphasize there has been 216 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 3: a sea tide in the sentiment of Hollywood. Hollywood is 217 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 3: really really turned now. When it was clear that the 218 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 3: family were no longer going to pay for this expensive 219 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 3: lawyer and he was going to have a public defender, 220 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 3: Hollywood now has turned. There was a lot of sympathy 221 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 3: for Nick for his issues, for his mental health. Now 222 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 3: people are really really angry, and I think they're going 223 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 3: to get even more angry as more leaks come out 224 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 3: of that state of mind. Now I'm told that he 225 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 3: is so usual. He believes he's going to be out 226 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 3: by March for his father's birthday. I think Rob Ryan 227 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 3: his birthday is March sixth. We know they think he 228 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 3: thinks there's a big consumption under. 229 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 2: At the moment. I'm a rob shooter. 230 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: You may be a PR guru, you may have worked 231 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: for Britney Spears and Sean Diddycombs and so many others, 232 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: but I don't see MD beside your name. 233 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 2: Is that correct? 234 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: You haven't graduated from medical school and gotten your specialty 235 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: and your residency in psychiatric care? 236 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 2: Have you? 237 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 3: It's correct? Nnswer? 238 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: Okay, So when you say delusional, you mean that in 239 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: the street sense, not in the medical professional sense, that 240 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: he's having a psychotic delusion, which equals. 241 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 2: In my world, Rob a defense at trial. 242 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: So when you're saying he's delusional, you mean that in 243 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: the street sense. Yeah. 244 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 3: Absolutely, That's what I'm talking about here, not a psychologist. 245 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 3: A master's in political science, thank you very much, but 246 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 3: not psychology. And so this is what people are saying 247 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 3: on the streets. I talk to sources in Hollywood, I 248 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 3: talk to movie stars, to executives of studios, to people 249 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 3: out there, and they're saying that this is simply the 250 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 3: reporting that we're getting is simply delusional. Because, like you, Nancy, 251 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 3: they've all seen that video of him on CBS where 252 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 3: he's going to drug stores, where he's walking around after 253 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 3: the murders. He seemed to be in a sound enough 254 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 3: state of mind that he knew to shower and cover evidence. 255 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 3: And yet now he's claiming that there is a conspiracy 256 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 3: out to get him. 257 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 2: Okay, Rob, sheoter, I'm going to try something out on 258 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 2: you that. 259 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: I usually do with a jury, and I've used this 260 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: technique when proving a dui homicide. Two counterclaims by the 261 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: defense that it was just an accident. It's not an accident. 262 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: Each step was volitional, was intentional. You turn your car off, 263 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: you walk in the bar, you have one drink. 264 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 2: Two drink, three drink. 265 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: Then you get your keys, then you pay your bill, 266 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: then you walk to your then you put the key 267 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: in the ignition. Then you started up, put it in 268 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: reverse and start driving out on the open road. Each 269 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: act is intentional. Let's think shooter. Think about what he 270 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: did after allegedly murdering his parents. 271 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 2: He leaves the scene. 272 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: He leaves their bedroom, leaves them to decompose in their bed. 273 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: When Romy, the sister, gets there at Rob, I'm going 274 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: to force you to think about this. 275 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 2: I don't like it either. 276 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: Romy comes in and sees her dad. She didn't even 277 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: realize her mom was also in the bed dead. 278 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 2: What was she like? 279 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: Thought it looked like a bloody pillow or a lump 280 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: of sheets. Had her mother wiggled down to the bottom 281 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: of the bed and covered herself up in sheets trying 282 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: to get away? Think about it. You have to think 283 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: about it. A jury has to think about it. Why 284 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: couldn't she tell her mother was there in the bed 285 00:16:55,720 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: beside her father? How was she contorted so as to 286 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: escape Romy's vision? 287 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 2: What did he do? 288 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 11: Then? 289 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: Goes to his poolhouse, gets into his clothes, his cabinet, 290 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: his dresser, drawers, his closet, gets out his clothes, clean clothes, 291 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: packs them, leaves, gets himself to a motel, checks in, 292 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: showing his identification, taking the key, going to his room, 293 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: getting in there, washing himself, washing his hair, putting on 294 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: clean clothes. 295 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 2: We don't even know where the bloody clothes are, where 296 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 2: they discarded? And where's the weapon? 297 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: Did he dispose of the weapon? We have sources telling 298 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: us the weapon hasn't been found. So did he discard 299 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: it like Brian Coburger did? Did he have that wherewithal 300 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: think think use your noodle? Then he's like, wow, I'm hungry, 301 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: walks to his convenience store, goes in, gets a drink, 302 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 1: and walks out, perfectly composed, pays for it. Knows to 303 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: stand in line that from our friends at CBS. When 304 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: you think of all of his actions one after the next, 305 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: after the next, and I've got so much more, that 306 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: was the abbreviated version that shows he was intentional and 307 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: he knew what he was doing. 308 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 3: Shooter, I can't argue with you, Nancy. I've seen that video. 309 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 3: Hollywood has seen that video. People as more information comes 310 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 3: as why do. 311 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: You keep talking about Hollywood? 312 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 1: Because I think the rest of the country cares what 313 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: Hollywood thinks. 314 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 3: I don't know. 315 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 2: The only reason I cares because that's a jury pool. 316 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's why. That's why people in Hollywood, people 317 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 3: in California are going to be on this jury. And 318 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 3: so I think now, as more and more information comes out, 319 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 3: it's a very valid question. You asked, how is all 320 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 3: this coming? Guy, that's a different subject. But when all 321 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 3: this information comes out, people are taking notice. This is 322 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 3: still a story that people are fascinated by, are tuned into. 323 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 3: Often in our world, Nancy, they move on very quickly 324 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 3: to the next new thing. This has not happened in 325 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 3: the Rob Ryan A case. People are still talking about him. 326 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 3: Just at the Golden Globes a few nights ago, he 327 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 3: was the talk of the red carpet. So there's still 328 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 3: intense intense interest in this, an intense interest in the 329 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 3: evidence and information that is leaking out to reporters like 330 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 3: me number one. 331 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 2: To correct you again, Rob, this is not a story. 332 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 2: This is real, Okay. I love my parents. 333 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to walk in and find them both 334 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: slaughter their throats, slit in their bed, plus multiple stab wounds. 335 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: They sacrifice their whole lives to help me. Okay, that's 336 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: what this is about. It is not a story Number one, 337 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: number two. 338 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 2: Red carpet, red marpet. Don't care. What's the talk of 339 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,160 Speaker 2: the red carpet? What red carpet? I don't care. 340 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: Now it is significant because these people, all yacking and 341 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: buzzing could make up the jury pool. That's the only 342 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: reason that I care. Now, I want to talk to 343 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: you about something else you said. You said that their 344 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,479 Speaker 1: attention has stuck to this story. What you make it 345 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: sound like the public has the attention span of a gnat. 346 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 2: What you think I'm going to forget the writers were murdered. 347 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 3: We have an awful habit of consumers of information, I'm 348 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 3: talking about everybody here, of moving very quickly, our cell phones. 349 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 3: The way we consume information now makes stuff happen awfully fast. 350 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 3: And I have been involved with, I have covered, I've 351 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 3: reported on some really big stories that tomorrow we're not 352 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 3: talking about anymore. And I'm not saying that's a good thing. 353 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 3: I think it's a bad thing. But I understand people's 354 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 3: busy lives, their families, their children, and why they've got 355 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 3: so much on their plate. It's hard to stick with something. 356 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 3: This story is different. It is sticking. People are talking 357 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 3: about it. As much passion about this within the world 358 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 3: of the media, maybe not within the world of the public, 359 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 3: but there's still so much passion in the story. I 360 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 3: think it's because it's such a horrific story. This is 361 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 3: just so hungri when you talk about your parents, Nancy, 362 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 3: when you hear this story, everybody thinks about their parents. 363 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 3: Everybody thinks about ROMEI walking into that bedroom and seeing 364 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 3: what she saw, and the scene was so horrific. She 365 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 3: couldn't even tell that there were two bodies, not one, 366 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 3: there were two bodies there. And so I think all 367 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 3: this added up together means that we're going to have 368 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 3: a really, really deep dig, a deep look into this 369 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 3: horrific story and the end that he's coming out slowly 370 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 3: but surely. And there's a lot more video footage too. 371 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 3: My sources tell me there are cameras in that hotel, 372 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 3: There are cameras in the lobby, there are cameras in 373 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 3: the hallway. Anybody that's checked into a fancy hotel in 374 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 3: LA can tell you that there is a lot more 375 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 3: evidence to come out. 376 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 12: So approximately three point forty this afternoon, Los Ange Police 377 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 12: officers along with the Los Angeles City Fire Department, responded 378 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 12: to the two hundred block of Chadbourne Avenue here in 379 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 12: the city of Brentwood. Upon arrival, they determined that there 380 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 12: were two deceased individuals inside of the residents. 381 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 13: LAPD responded to a residence the residents of Rob and 382 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 13: Michelle Reiner, located in West Los Angeles Division. At that location, 383 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 13: they found two deceased adults, a male and a female. 384 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 13: Through the night, working with the Coroner's office, they were 385 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 13: able to identify them definitively as Rob and Michelle Reiner. 386 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: There were multiple stablisers as they lied, they fought, they 387 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: knew what was happening to them. 388 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 2: It was a horrific scene. There was blood everywhere. 389 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 7: This is a tragedy and just what beautiful souls they were. 390 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 14: He was arrested in a public area in the Exposition 391 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 14: Park area near the University of Southern California campus. He 392 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 14: was approached by the officers and he was arrested without incident. 393 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 14: There were no indications that there was no indication that 394 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 14: he was going to resist or anything like that. He 395 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 14: didn't flee or anything like that. He was taking into 396 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 14: custody without issue, and he was transported to our Police 397 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 14: are Coorts facility. 398 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: As we go to air tonight, we are learning that 399 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 1: Nick Reiner behind bars on the double murders of his father, 400 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: Rob Reiner and mother Michelle Singer. 401 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 2: Reiner says he is the victim. 402 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: He thinks he's behind bars because of a conspiracy that 403 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: he shouldn't be there. 404 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 2: Also, we are learning about claims. 405 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: And maybe this would only work with a Hollywood jury, 406 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: that Hollywood fears of weight gain somehow triggered a murderous 407 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: rampage allegedly. 408 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 2: What does that mean? 409 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: I think to Sidney Sumner, a Crime Stories investigative reporter, 410 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: I think. 411 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 2: What this means? 412 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm just a trial lawyer living far 413 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: far away from LA I think what they're going to 414 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: try to or what they are claiming. What some experts 415 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,239 Speaker 1: are claiming is that Nick Reiner had begun get to 416 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: gain weight on his meds, his prescribed meds to combat 417 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: weight gang. 418 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 2: Is God forbid you gained a few pounds. 419 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: Especially in Hollywood, they changed Reiner's meds and thereby that 420 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 1: medicine change, that medication change pushed him into. 421 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 2: A psychotic state. 422 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: Is that the claim all because of weight loss fears 423 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: the meds, weight gain fears, the meds were changed and 424 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: that triggered a psychotic episode. 425 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 11: That's exactly the claim. Nick Reiner was complaining about the 426 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 11: weight gain associated with his anti psychotic medication. And this 427 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 11: is very common, Nancy. This affects a lot of people 428 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 11: who are taking this kind of medication because it alters 429 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 11: your brain chemistry, so people report excessive cravings for high 430 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 11: fat and sugar foods and also not being able to 431 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 11: tell when you're full. That's a big reason people overeat 432 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 11: on these anti psychotic mets. So Nick Reiner approached his 433 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 11: doctors concerned about his weight gain. And you can tell, Nancy. 434 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 11: I mean, it's very clear those videos, the one that 435 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 11: he posted to his YouTube as a young man. I 436 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 11: think he was twenty one at the time of that video. 437 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 11: He's now thirty two. It's very clear that Reiner has 438 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 11: gained a significant amount of weight. And his doctor said, 439 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 11: you know, this is a valid concern. We can try 440 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 11: to adjust your medication to see if there's one that 441 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 11: would lessen these side effects for you, and apparently that's 442 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 11: what led to this psychotic break. That other medication did 443 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 11: not have the same effects on his mental stability as 444 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 11: the previous medication that he was on for nearly six years, 445 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 11: according to these sources, and he gave that up just 446 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 11: to try and lose some of this ways. 447 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 1: Okay, Sidney, I've got another question for you. You know 448 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 1: you are reeling this off as if it's fact. Have 449 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: you considered the source of this information? Do you know 450 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: the source? 451 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 11: No? 452 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely not, because the only people that would know any 453 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: of this would have to be the defense team, right. 454 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,679 Speaker 11: So that's where you heard me say. Sources claim we 455 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 11: don't know where this is coming from, and the people 456 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 11: who are reporting this as fact, they're not revealing what 457 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 11: that source is. So yes, it's all very suspect. This 458 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 11: is best speculation because we don't know where this information 459 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 11: is coming from. 460 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: So Rob Shooter the claims this is all over weight gain, 461 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: that nobody wanted him to gain weight? 462 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,719 Speaker 2: God forbid? Do you hear that? 463 00:26:55,200 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: Do you hear how crazy? How ridiculous that is? It's 464 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: being spun out by news sources. 465 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 3: It sounds crazy because it is crazy and what we 466 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 3: know about Nick looking into him, looking into his history, 467 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 3: is he has been a very very troubled man for 468 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 3: a very very long time. You played him on a 469 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 3: podcast just a few moments ago, and he admitted on 470 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 3: the podcast that he smashed up his mom and dad's 471 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 3: guest has. In fact, he said the first thing in 472 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 3: the house he smashed was the television, which is very 473 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 3: interesting to me because that's where his parents and his 474 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 3: grandparent became super super famous. So he had rage there. 475 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 3: Nick has been an angry, toxic young man for a 476 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 3: long time, long before he was frightened about gaining weight. 477 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 3: And so this story is ludicrous. It sounds ludicrous because 478 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 3: it is guys. 479 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: Of course, our friend Harvey Levin, who by the way, 480 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: is also a. 481 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 2: Lawyer, a very astute lawyer. He runs TMZ. Of course, 482 00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 2: he has rushed. 483 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: To the same and is churning out a documentary, a 484 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 1: TMZ documentary called tmzs the Reiner Murders. 485 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 2: What really happened? 486 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: Interesting, Harvey, in case you're listening, that you already know 487 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: what happened before there's been a single hearing on the evidence. 488 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: Wonder where you're getting your information, Harvey. But that said, 489 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: Listen to what Levin says. 490 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 15: Before everyone knew Nick was suffering from Schitzo effective disorder, 491 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 15: he was using meth and that makes Skitzo effective disorder 492 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 15: even worse. And he had a filing out first. 493 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 2: Again, that's from the TMZ the Reiner murders. 494 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: What really happened on Fox One? Question back to you, 495 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall. The entire documentary is defense fueled. It's 496 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: all about the defense. I see this as a way 497 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: to taint a jury pool. That said, what he just 498 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: said fits hand in hand with what I'm arguing. 499 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 2: What came first the chicken or the egg? 500 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: Was he using meth and it triggered a schizo like episode? 501 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: Did he have schizophrenia or Skidzo effective disorder and then 502 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: used myth and exacerbated it. I mean, any jury in 503 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: the right mind is not going to forgive someone or 504 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: give them a haul pass for double murder which was 505 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: triggered by their own voluntary use of meth amphetamine. 506 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 7: You know, Nancy, I watched the documentary this morning, and 507 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 7: I have to say, when I was listening to Harvey Levin, 508 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 7: a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. In a case consultation, 509 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 7: we would never ever, ever talk about a patient like that. 510 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 7: It's really premature to know if the schizophrenia. 511 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Wait a minute. I can't believe I'm 512 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 2: in the position of defending Harvey Levin. But he is 513 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 2: not Nick Reiner's shrink. 514 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: Okay, except he's not bound by the same duty that 515 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: you are. 516 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 2: It's samaric. 517 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: Can remember we're not in communist China or Russia. You 518 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: can say whatever he wolves do. 519 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 2: But he's putting a. 520 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 7: Lot of information out there, like you said, that will 521 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 7: taint the jury pool. But actually also he's making it 522 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 7: sound so simplistic and so reductionistic. And we can't just 523 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 7: say that because someone went off their medications and they 524 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 7: became violent. It's usually a confluence of factors. What I'm 525 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 7: going to say is the whole weight gain story makes 526 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 7: absolutely no sense to me from the standpoint that now, 527 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 7: when patients complain of weight gain on these psychotropic medications, 528 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 7: we prescribe a GLP one like think Munjaro or ozembic 529 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 7: or met Foreman, which is a medication for type two diabetes, 530 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 7: and these medications can be very effective in controlling the 531 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 7: weight gain. You don't normally take somebody like Nick reinor 532 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 7: off a medication unless he's already becoming destabilize. So I 533 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 7: would guess I would hold this theory lightly that he 534 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 7: had started using he was relapsing, he was using meth, 535 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 7: and because of that, they had to switch up medications 536 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 7: because the other medications were no longer working. 537 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 2: Okay. 538 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 7: In program in twelve step programs, what we teach our 539 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 7: patients is when you pick up a drug, when you 540 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 7: pick up alcohol, play it forward and try to anticipate 541 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 7: the negative or dangerous consequences of your choices. 542 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: Even our friend Harvey Levin at TMZ's documentary tmzs The 543 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: Rhiner Murders, what really happened? Even though it's extremely defense 544 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: oriented and defense skewed, Even Levin says the reason doctors 545 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: change Reiner's meds was because he Nick Reiner was concerned 546 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: that he was gaining weight. 547 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 15: Listen, the reason doctors changed Nick's meds was weight gain. 548 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 15: He was unhappy with his weight. 549 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 2: TMZ The Rhiner Murders. 550 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: Hollywood legend Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle, they didn't 551 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: deserve this, a sun that they had spoon fed every privilege. 552 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 10: Possible, and they did everything they could with Nick. 553 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 2: Tonight Nick Reiner behind bars. 554 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: But thinks he should get to go home. He thinks 555 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: he's the victim in this scenario. 556 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 2: What is his life behind bars? Joining us? 557 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: They're in La Alexis Tereschuk Crime Stori's investigative reporter. 558 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 2: What about it? What can you tell me? 559 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 8: So he is in solitary confinement. He is not around 560 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 8: any other innate, still for his protection. He is no 561 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 8: longer on suicide watch, but they are still checking on 562 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 8: him every fifteen minutes to make sure that he is okay. 563 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 8: And then his day is just filled with nothing. He 564 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 8: gets breakfast delivered at about six o'clock in the morning, 565 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 8: five or six o'clock in the morning. Then lunch comes 566 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 8: between ten thirty and eleven. Both of these are cold meals, 567 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 8: nothing fancy. And then dinner comes at six and it's 568 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 8: a hot plate. 569 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 2: And that's it. 570 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 3: That's what he does. 571 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 5: That's his whole day. 572 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 2: He is allowed. 573 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 8: You know, he showered the day of his court hearing 574 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 8: when we saw him in court last week, and he 575 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 8: has had his haircut since he first appeared in court 576 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 8: in December. But other than that, he's not doing anything. 577 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 8: He's just in his cell twenty three hours a day. 578 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 2: Put her up. 579 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: Are you suggesting that it's that different from his life before? 580 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 2: Did he have a job? Was he a volunteer somewhere? 581 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 2: Have I missed that? Because he pretty much did nothing before? 582 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 2: So no, what had impact he was? How is that 583 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 2: different from his life before he was arrested? 584 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 8: Well, before he was arrested, he was living in his 585 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 8: parents thirteen and a half million dollar home in Rerunlin, California, 586 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 8: which is luxurious and I know that. 587 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 2: But what was he doing? You say he's got nothing 588 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 2: to do? Well, what was he doing before? Alexis Tereschuk? Nothing? 589 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 8: Well, he made a movie almost ten years ago. But no, 590 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 8: he did not have a job. He wasn't volunteering. He 591 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 8: would go on various podcasts and talk about his life. 592 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 8: But his parents were so concerned about him and his 593 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 8: mental health that for a fun holiday party, they didn't 594 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 8: even leave him at home. They asked Conan O'Brien if 595 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 8: they could bring him to the party. They couldn't even 596 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 8: leave him alone for two hours to go and enjoy 597 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 8: a party. 598 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: Joining me right now, Doctor Dwayne Hendrix, former Warden MDC 599 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: Brooklyn also served Warden Sheridan, Oregon. 600 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 2: Former Senior Warden US Department. 601 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: Of Justice with the Federal Bureau of Prisons, the founder 602 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: and president of a New Daylight Foundation, author of Who 603 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 1: Are You See It? 604 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 2: Say It? Seize It? 605 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: Doctor Hendrix. Thank you for being with us. So let 606 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: me understand something, Doctor Hendrix. He has three hots and 607 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: a cop In other words, three meals and a place 608 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: to stay. 609 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:04,280 Speaker 2: Now. 610 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: Alexis Tereschuk made much of the fact that two of 611 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: those meals could be cold. 612 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 2: That sounds like cereal. 613 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: And fruit in the morning, with juice and a sandwich 614 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: and chips at lunch. So when she says cold like 615 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: it's the end of the world, it's not. Then he 616 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: has a hot meal in the evening. He has practically 617 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,399 Speaker 1: unfettered right to see his lawyers. He has a right 618 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: to go to a library. He has a right to 619 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: see a spiritual counselor if he wishes. He could likely 620 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: see family, but I don't think they're visiting since he 621 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: allegedly murdered his parents. 622 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 2: She makes it sound like it's hell on Earth. It's not. 623 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 2: In fact, hold on, doctor Dwayne Hendricks. 624 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: A lot of famous people have survived the Twin Towers. 625 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: If Paris Hilton could live there for a while, I 626 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: think I think Nick Reiner will to Robert Downey junior 627 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 1: iron man, Harvey Weinstein, piece of crap. 628 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 2: Let's see who else the game. Robert Durst. 629 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: Conrad Murray convicted of killing Michael Jackson. Robert Durst, I 630 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 1: don't know how many people he killed, Rick James, Steve O, 631 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: Danny Masterson from that seventy show, Eric Holder, just so 632 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: many people have been in Twin Towers and survived. 633 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 2: So, doctor Dwayne Hendricks, how bad is it? 634 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 10: I don't think it is as bad as the La 635 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 10: County Jail. From all reports, they actually have a better 636 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 10: food than you there at the Twin Towers. The other 637 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 10: thing that I find interesting is that they have their 638 00:36:54,200 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 10: own in house psychiatry staff and mental house staff at 639 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 10: this particular jail, which is unusual because of MDC Brooklyn 640 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 10: and other jails that I'm aware of. Typically you're psychiatrists, 641 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 10: and you're you know, you have psychologists and those type 642 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 10: of professionals. But for them to have their own in 643 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 10: house psychiatry staff, but it tells me they're at a 644 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 10: different level as it pertains to their mental health treatment 645 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 10: and their healthcare treatment for those individuals. So I believe 646 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,720 Speaker 10: that this particular jail is probably a little bit more 647 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:39,760 Speaker 10: high end than you know, your La County Jail, Rikers Island, MDC, 648 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 10: Brooklyn and other places that we've talked about in the past. 649 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: When Alexis Tschuk says he has a cold breakfast and 650 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 1: a cold lunch, that's not that bad if you're talking 651 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: about cereal with milk and juice and fruit and a 652 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,359 Speaker 1: sandwich with chips. 653 00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 2: Is there something wrong with that? Hendricks? 654 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 10: No, No, not at all. I mean the national standards 655 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 10: is for individuals to have at least one hot meal 656 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 10: every three days if they're on lockdown, and obviously he's not. 657 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 10: I mean, he's in some sort of solitary confinement, and 658 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 10: I would beg to believe that it's more more of 659 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 10: a mental health unit. That they're probably keeping him without 660 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 10: a cellmate, and he's whenever he goes out to whatever 661 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 10: recreation they give him, you know, every couple of days, 662 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 10: or his shower or his phone calls. I'm sure he's 663 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 10: being moved with multiple staff and he's probably just not 664 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 10: having any interactions with other inmates at the jail. 665 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 1: So so cushy is the mental ward in the in 666 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: the jail as compared to GP Well. 667 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 10: I mean the thing about it is, you know, of 668 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 10: course being in jail, but itself can be mentally the 669 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 10: last you know, cause mental issues so to speak. 670 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 2: Well, get frustrated and lonely. I don't know that I 671 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 2: would call that a mental issue. Hendrix. 672 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 10: Well, I'll just say this, the fact that he's not 673 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,240 Speaker 10: in general population with the mental condition that he has 674 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 10: will actually help both the defense and the prosecution in 675 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,360 Speaker 10: this case, because documentation is going to be very important, 676 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,839 Speaker 10: especially upon his arrival, the measure that he was on, 677 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 10: the evaluation that he had. I know, their policy is 678 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,320 Speaker 10: for the individuals to see the have a full physical 679 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 10: and a mental health evaluation within ninety six hours of 680 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 10: their arrival. So the documentation, the decisions to put him 681 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 10: on suicide watch, the decisions to take him on suicide watch, 682 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 10: the decisions to keep him on the mental unit. Right now, 683 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 10: I'm not sure if they're going to do an insanity 684 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 10: plea and or are they going to do any valuation 685 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 10: in that regard, but it's very important that you know 686 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 10: they do all their you know, if they're saying they're 687 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,360 Speaker 10: gonna be checking on them every fifteen minutes, all that 688 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 10: documentation is going to play a really key role in 689 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 10: this particular case, because it's going to be a lot 690 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 10: of back and forth in regards to his personal responsibility 691 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 10: for these crimes. 692 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 1: So he's got basically a private room, and he's got 693 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 1: room service because where he is they bring him his 694 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,760 Speaker 1: tray of food and then give him about an hour 695 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 1: to eat a nice, leisurely eat meal. Then they come 696 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 1: back and collect the tray. Nick Reiner's getting room service 697 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: in his private room. Sidney Sumner, I looked up the menus. 698 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 2: You know what. Let me throw this to Rob Sheeter Shooter. 699 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: Listen to this breakfast cereal bread cake, milk, coffee, fruit. 700 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 2: Fruit juice. Nobody brought me that this morning. 701 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:05,839 Speaker 1: Okay, Lunch to dinner, hamburgers, chicken, veggie patties, tacos, lasagna, 702 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: fish patties served with potatoes or fries, special meals for 703 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:11,840 Speaker 1: dietary concerns. 704 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 2: Wow, nobody's bringing. 705 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: Me chicken or veggie patties or tacos or lasasagna. 706 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,840 Speaker 2: I mean really, And to hear. 707 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 1: Alexis Tereschuk tell it, he's having bread and water. 708 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 2: That's simply not true. 709 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 3: No, it's not true that they're eating fine in this prison. However, 710 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 3: this is somebody who is used to eating lobster and caveat. 711 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 3: This is one of the most entitled, one of the 712 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 3: most privileged young men in that jail, and so it 713 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 3: has to be a shock to his system. Do I 714 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 3: feel sorry for him? Absolutely not, Nancy. But I don't 715 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 3: think it is accurate to say that his life hasn't 716 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 3: dramatically changed from the lap of luxury to a small 717 00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 3: prison cell. 718 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 1: Wait, are you saying that he's not living in daddy's 719 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 1: poolhouse and getting a ten thousand dollars a month allowance 720 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: on top of the free car, the free home, the 721 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: free gas, the free raid, my sub zero refrigerator every 722 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,839 Speaker 1: night whenever you feel like it. Everything's free plus ten 723 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:17,760 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. 724 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is different. Is there a reason 725 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,920 Speaker 2: it shouldn't be It should be different. 726 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,440 Speaker 3: It has to be different, and I hope that he 727 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:31,400 Speaker 3: is aware of that. It just makes me so sad 728 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 3: of the life that he squanted. 729 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 11: Nancy. 730 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 3: This is somebody who really did have it all and 731 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 3: now has nothing. 732 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Greece. 733 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 9: I got totally spun out on uppers. I think it 734 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 9: was coke and something else, and I was up for 735 00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 9: days on end and I started punching out and things 736 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:01,719 Speaker 9: in my guest house. 737 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,760 Speaker 2: Like a friend, like what like a stuff? 738 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 9: I think I started with the TV, and then I 739 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 9: went over to the lamp, and then progressively I just 740 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,280 Speaker 9: everything in the guest house got wrecked. 741 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 2: That from the Dopey podcast. 742 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,280 Speaker 7: He was not crying, he was not upset. 743 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 11: His face looked very clear. 744 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,360 Speaker 7: His head was completely shaved. 745 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 2: He's aware of his actions. 746 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 7: He's insane, a homicidal person who refuses to get sober. 747 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 7: Whose content eighteen rehapp in seventeen years joining us. 748 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,800 Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns. He is a chief medical examiner Terran County. 749 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,360 Speaker 1: That's fort Worth, never lack of business. He is the 750 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 1: star of a hit podcast, May Him and the Morgue, 751 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,880 Speaker 1: and he is the esteemed lecturer at TCU's Burnett School 752 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 1: of Medicine. 753 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 2: Doctor Kindle Crowns, thank you for being with us. 754 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,280 Speaker 1: Many people believe that, like we were told in the 755 00:43:54,400 --> 00:44:00,120 Speaker 1: Coburger case, that the four students went to sleep and 756 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 1: woke up in heaven, That's not what happened. One of 757 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 1: the female victims was to have thirty times in the face. 758 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,800 Speaker 1: Her teeth were stabbed out as she thought for her life. 759 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 2: Same thing here. 760 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,360 Speaker 1: What do the multiple stab wounds as well as the 761 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,719 Speaker 1: slitting of their throats, what does that tell you? 762 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall crowds about what happened. 763 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 5: So usually when we see multiple stab wounds of this nature, 764 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,400 Speaker 5: it's always almost always a homicide case. Occasionally you might 765 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,960 Speaker 5: see them suicide. But what you're seeing is these individuals 766 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,319 Speaker 5: are attacked, they're laying in bed, throats are slit. They're 767 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,520 Speaker 5: going to have a few minutes where they're going to survive. 768 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 5: As they're bleeding out, they're going to. 769 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 9: Be in pain. 770 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,239 Speaker 5: Depending on how deep their throats are slit, they may 771 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 5: have had their trachea, which is their windpipe slit as well, 772 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 5: so they're going to be inhaling blood while they're struggling 773 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 5: to fight against whoever's stabbing them. Now there's stab wounds, 774 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,719 Speaker 5: you know, coming to the chest and other areas of 775 00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,680 Speaker 5: the body. They might be trying to fight back defensive 776 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 5: wounds of their hands and their forearms. And during this 777 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 5: few minutes while they're bleeding out in life is ebbing 778 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 5: away and they're struggling against the assailant before they pass 779 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 5: out from loss of blood, they're feeling all the pain 780 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,319 Speaker 5: from these multiple stab wounds. And the thing is is, 781 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,959 Speaker 5: you know, usually in meth amphetamine associated cases, we see 782 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:27,440 Speaker 5: this kind of overkilled to the whole process where they 783 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 5: just keep stabbing and stabbing. Even after they're dead, they'll 784 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,920 Speaker 5: continue to stab and leave more wounds on the body. 785 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:34,680 Speaker 9: Two. 786 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:40,400 Speaker 1: Josh Colesrod, veteran trial lawyer joining us out of Phoenix. Josh, 787 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: what do you believe will be gained from that motel room? 788 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 2: I want to talk about the evidence. 789 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,719 Speaker 1: Do you think there was drug paraphernalia in the room 790 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,400 Speaker 1: which could defeat. 791 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:54,800 Speaker 2: And insanity defense? 792 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,680 Speaker 1: If it shows he was using drugs at that time, 793 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,320 Speaker 1: that could defeat his claim that he did all of 794 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,520 Speaker 1: this because he was insane. Do you believe that his 795 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,200 Speaker 1: blood was drawn immediately at the time of rest to 796 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,440 Speaker 1: show if drugs were in a system. A few days 797 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,080 Speaker 1: had passed since the murders, would the drugs have dissipated? 798 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,480 Speaker 1: I mean, what can we hope to glean from his 799 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,719 Speaker 1: backpack and from his hotel room? 800 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,120 Speaker 4: So the evidence that was seized is going to be 801 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,560 Speaker 4: very revealing. What it's going to show is number one, 802 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,960 Speaker 4: was this person using drugs? And they'll be able to 803 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,279 Speaker 4: tell through a variety of ways. Number one, they'll do 804 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,560 Speaker 4: blood draws to see exactly what was in his system 805 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,480 Speaker 4: and how much. Now, the blood draw doesn't exactly tell 806 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,440 Speaker 4: when drugs were used, but it does give us circumstantial 807 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:53,120 Speaker 4: evidence of how it was used and also how much 808 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,640 Speaker 4: was in his system at the time that the crimes 809 00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:00,840 Speaker 4: took place. Typically, those results take between or eight weeks 810 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:01,319 Speaker 4: before we. 811 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 5: Can get them. Now. 812 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,759 Speaker 4: They'll also look at other circumstantial evidence, such as what 813 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,320 Speaker 4: was discovered in his backpack, and they'll look at the 814 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,400 Speaker 4: drug paraphernalia. And they'll also test the drug paraphernalia for 815 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:17,120 Speaker 4: resin to see if it's consistent with methodphetamine used, crack, cocaine, 816 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,640 Speaker 4: and other hard drugs, to see if maybe he was 817 00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,120 Speaker 4: using drugs at or near the time that he committed 818 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:26,240 Speaker 4: the murders. 819 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,360 Speaker 1: I believe that the booken agent that booked him in 820 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,560 Speaker 1: the hotel is going to be a witness. I believe 821 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,799 Speaker 1: that possibly an uber or taxi driver that drove him there, 822 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,279 Speaker 1: if there is one, is going to be a witness. 823 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,279 Speaker 1: I think that the hotel room, which by the way, 824 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,799 Speaker 1: was ocean front with a beautiful view, I think that 825 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,400 Speaker 1: evidence gooling from that room could tell us. Did he 826 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,240 Speaker 1: wash his hair, did he brush his teeth? What happened 827 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,799 Speaker 1: to his old clothing? Should we trace his route to 828 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:04,239 Speaker 1: look for the weapon? Is there drug paraphernalia in the room? 829 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,600 Speaker 1: Is there drug paraphernalia or drugs in his backpack? What 830 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,719 Speaker 1: is revealed in his blood? This investigation is going in 831 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,400 Speaker 1: one thousand different directions right now. The state is building 832 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:16,600 Speaker 1: its case, as. 833 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,839 Speaker 2: Is the defense. If you know or think you know anything. 834 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:25,439 Speaker 1: About this case, please dial toll free eight hundred two 835 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:29,960 Speaker 1: two two eight four seven seven, repeat eight hundred two 836 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:34,439 Speaker 1: two two eight four seven seven. We remember an American hero, 837 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:41,120 Speaker 1: Deputy Constable Aaron Armstrong, Caldwell Counties Constables, Texas, shot dead 838 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:46,520 Speaker 1: in the line of duty, leaving behind his grieving parents. 839 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:54,240 Speaker 1: American hero Deputy Constable Aaron Armstrong Nancy Gray signing off 840 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:56,239 Speaker 1: goodbye friend.