WEBVTT - SYSK Selects: How Capgras Syndrome Works 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:04.400 Hello everyone, it's me your friend Josh, and for this 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:07.760 week's s Y s K Selects, I've chosen our episode 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:11.039 on cop Cross or cop Craw. We never actually really 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:14.200 figure it out in this episode Syndrome. It's about an 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:18.320 astoundingly interesting mental disorder where a person believes the people 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:22.000 in their life have been replaced by impostors. And this 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:26.119 episode contains the dorkiest line I've ever uttered. Yes, Wow, 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:31.080 indeed enjoy. Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:39.839 of My Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:43.800 to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. I'm pretty sure the 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:46.559 person with me is always is Charles W. Chuck Bryant, 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:51.720 cap grasp. Yeah, I think it's cup Craw because it's 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:55.520 a Frenchman who was the first person to describe Jerry. 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.680 Just call it crap Cross. We're all kinds of screwed up, 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:01.680 and I'm not going to say cop crawl the whole time, 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.240 so we'll just say kept grads obnoxious. Yeah, that's what 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:09.720 I'm saying. Like, we're not in Quebec, that's right, um right. 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:13.959 This is basically are our Invasion of the Body Snatchers 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:20.560 episode past that unless we do one on the invasion 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:22.760 of the body snatchers. That's kind of the deal, though. 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:26.920 We're talking today about a very very strange and once 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:32.800 thought to be very uncommon and rare disorder um a 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:38.800 delusional disorder, a delusional misidentification disorder, to be specific, where 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:42.080 the sufferer believes that the people in his or her life, 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:46.320 people very close to him, have all been replaced by impostors, 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:49.760 that they're there, Like I'm looking at you right now, Chuck, 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:52.120 and you look just like Chuck, and you're doing a 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:55.000 great job with the voice and everything, but like I 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:56.400 don't want to say it, and I don't want to 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:58.560 look you in the eye, but like you're obviously not Chucking. 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.760 What's going on? We all feel that about each other occasionally, 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:05.840 but imagine like that all the time, Like, how would 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:09.760 you just not lose faith in the reality of anything 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:14.280 if you thought, first of all, how are people? How 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:17.880 are they coming up with great impostors like this? Who 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:23.320 is they? Why are they doing this? Why you? Is 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:26.400 it just you? Or is the whole world impostors? Yeah, 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:29.960 it's it's like there's a lot of really weighty questions 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:32.680 involved with this, and as a result, science has been 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:34.800 trying to really figure out the mystery behind it and 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:38.240 has failed thus far. Yeah, and you know we we 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:41.560 already should say. It's not only difficult on the person, 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.760 but it's difficult on the person being misidentified as well. 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:46.720 And you don't really don't hear a lot about that. 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:48.400 I read a bunch of articles on this and only 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.680 one said, and don't forget if someone if your wife 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.160 thinks that you're an impostor, it's really tough on you 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:58.320 as well. Yeah, that is kind of overlooked, Yeah, very much. So. Yeah, 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.640 so this is actually kind of a newish phenomenon as 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:07.280 far as description goes. UM Dr cop Craw and Dr 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:13.200 Rebu last show, UM described Madame m who believed that 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:16.320 she had as many as eighty husbands, all of them 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:20.160 the same, looking the same, but they were all imposters 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:23.799 and she never could get close to him because um, 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:26.120 eventually they would just kind of leave and be replaced 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:28.840 by a new one. And she was utterly convinced of this. 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:31.480 And I'm sure at the time they thought, what this 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:36.240 lady is just nuts, But then the more people did research, 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.280 the more they found and I couldn't find any good 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:43.280 stats on how rare it is undered thousands, and that 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:45.960 means nothing. So the one I saw it was in 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:49.600 two thousand or six five. I believe the estimate was 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:51.960 between one point three to four point one percent of 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:56.240 all psychiatric patients have cap craw And you can probably 0:03:56.280 --> 0:04:00.080 say that if that's close, then that's probably close to 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.440 the general population. Because if you believe that the people 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:06.119 who are closest to you in your life are impostors 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:08.960 and you're accusing them as such, they're probably gonna force 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.800 you to go seek psychiatric help. So that would probably 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.560 be a pretty close statistic for the society for society 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:18.240 at large. And where you really see it though, is 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:22.159 in Alzheimer's patients. The statistic was between two and thirty 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:25.760 percent of Alzheimer's patients possibly suffer from cop crop or 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:29.200 crab grass. But it isn't that just Alzheimer's. No, not 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:33.000 necessarily Alzheimer's. You know that's that can be forgetfulness, Um, 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:35.880 that can be uh yeah, I guess disorientation. This is 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:39.480 like you're accusing your husband, your wife, your son, your 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:43.919 daughter of being somebody else, somebody posing as them. Okay, 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.680 that makes sense. So this is different than something we've 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:50.440 covered face blindness before, Right, we talked about it came 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.000 up in something else, but yeah, maybe we did do 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:55.080 a whole podcast on it. I'm not sure. But that 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:59.920 is uh, proso pregnosia, and this is not prospregnosia. That's 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.560 and you can see your face over and over and 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:04.760 over and still you just don't know who it is. 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:08.440 Right in this case, you know, like, hey, that's Josh, 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:12.160 I'm looking at him. I know that face. But um, 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.800 they're they've done studies with a skin conduct conductance is 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:18.719 when they they're basically measuring the amount of perspiration on 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:21.320 your face, which is a it's a measure of the 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:25.040 limbics system being active, which is in turn a measure 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:28.280 of your emotions going off. Yeah, with the idea being 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:31.440 that if if you're sweating a little bit on the face, 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:35.480 then that is a physiological or psychological queue that like, hey, 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.080 look at this picture of your mother. I would recognize 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.200 that as my mother, and maybe my face will sweat 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.200 a little bit. Right. If you are what's called a 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:49.000 normal if you have propagnosia, um, you will not recognize 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:54.920 that picture intellectually consciously, but your skin conductivity will go off. 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.960 So that means that the emotional cue is still triggered 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.240 even though you don't know who you're looking at. That's 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:06.120 the opposite of studies of um cap cross syndrome. Yeah, 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:09.840 they'll see a picture and they will not have It's 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.520 basically like they're looking at a picture of a complete stranger, right, 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:14.839 and and they don't have they they don't have that 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:18.160 recognized the face right exactly, but they don't have an 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:22.120 emotional response. Here's the thing. They recognize the face enough 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:25.760 to know this is my dad. They are rational enough. 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.560 That's the other thing too. Other than this the rational 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:32.400 it's what's called a mono thematic syndrome, where you have 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:35.359 one delusion and it's a whopper and it basically consumes 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:38.520 your whole life. So the irrational otherwise and the rational 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.120 enough to say, Okay, this is my dad I'm looking at, 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:47.520 but I don't feel any kind of emotional stimulation from 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:51.279 seeing my dad and I should and because I don't, 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.680 this is an imposter. That's what they think is going on. Yeah, 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:56.560 one of the common things that the people with the 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:59.080 syndrome will say is that like their soul is gone 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:03.000 or their soul is missing. That's a different syndrome. No, no no, no, 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:07.000 that that that's that's linked to cap Graw because they'll 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:10.280 recognize the other person. Yeah, okay, the person they're looking 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:12.920 at is that's not my mother. That's not there. There's right, 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.000 would sense my mother's soul. Right. So what they think 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:19.240 then is that when we this kind of proves that 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:24.560 we make memories two ways that are connected. That we 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:28.040 we take in stimuli, right, like visual stimuli. I'm looking 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:31.240 at you and at the same time I'm looking at Chuck, 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:34.160 and I like Chuck. So I'm also kind of taking 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.440 note that same memory that I'm forming of the visual 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:42.120 representation of you also has an attendant um emotion happiness. 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:44.760 I like you, So when I see you again, I 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:48.080 should feel that same thing happiness. I'm glad to see Chuck. 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.800 That is a full memory. With cop Craw, people who 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.680 suffer that they're missing the emotional aspect and they have 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:59.560 the recognition and they vs. Rama Shan Drawn I think 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:01.320 I said as name right. He came up in the 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:04.680 Mirror Neurons episode. It's just as brilliant genius dude, you 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:09.800 see san Diego go as text. Maybe I think so, um, 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:13.920 he he said, Probably what's happening then, is you have 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:21.600 a secondary lesion or secondary damage where your your right 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.520 brain is very analytical and it checks your left brain, 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.440 which wants to explain everything away. And if that right 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.960 brain analysis is damaged, then the left brain can do 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:34.280 go to whatever links it wants to to explain away 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:37.559 strange phenomenon. In this case, if you have that disconnect 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:42.959 between the UM sensory input and emotional aspect of a 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:45.640 memory in conjunction with a loss of the right brain 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.600 checking your delusions, then the left brain is able to 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:51.600 go off and say, oh, well it must be an impostor. Yeah, 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:55.520 well the emotional side wins out essentially as an explanation 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.480 to sort of reconcile those two things. Yeah, because it's missing. 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:03.280 It's not deluded. The person is not delusional. It's there's 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:07.480 an impostor. Yeah. You know what's really weird is UM. 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.720 Another one of the characteristics sometimes is it can extend 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:13.400 to animals and objects as well, so it's not always 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:15.720 just people. They can you know, that's my dog, but 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:20.120 it's not. I know that chair is not the original chair. 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.640 Someone came in here and replaced it with an exact 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:27.560 replica UM, and they're not hallucinating you know these they're 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:30.600 aware of all this stuff. Yeah, and I mean imagine 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:34.360 the paranoia that that would generate in you, like who 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:36.840 moved the chair? Who replaced this chair? What's the deal? 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:40.640 And Um, they found that it's it is co morbid 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:44.000 with things like Alzheimer's and schizophrenia as well and other 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:48.880 psychotic disorders. Yeah, and it's it's usually your spouse to UM. 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.320 One article I had said, it's always your spouse is 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:53.439 how it starts. Oh yeah, yeah, but I don't know 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:56.360 if that's quite right. That seems a little willing nilly 0:09:56.400 --> 0:10:10.160 to say every single time it starts with your spouse. Hmm. 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:18.199 So let's talk about some of the explanations that science 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:20.320 has come up with UM since it was first described 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:24.440 in it was right in Freud's wheelhouse. Oh yes, So 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:28.320 the psychoanalysts had their had the first crack at it, 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:31.160 and they swung and missed. UM. They basically said that 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.400 it was a repressed edifics or electric complex, right, yeah, 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.880 and that that was kind of poopoo pretty quickly. Um. 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:39.040 They were saying that you know that you're just trying 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:43.120 to resolve guilt about your circumstances. UM, identifying your parents 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:47.440 it look alike and then pretty quickly scientists and you 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:49.559 know that it probably doesn't have to do with repressed 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:54.520 feelings in this case, done done everybody. Kenneth took his 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:58.240 ball and went home. Yeah he yeah, he's really been 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:02.800 kicked to the has he Yeah, even by psychology. They've 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:06.680 turned their backs on him. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, psychodynamic approach, 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:13.640 sorry Freudians. Um, that was the psychodynamic approach, and that that's, 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:15.600 like we said, has kind of been pooh pooed. Well, 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.120 that was the psychodynamic approach, was the one where it's 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:21.040 repressed feelings. Fordian approach was that you wanted to have 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:24.199 sex with your mom, so you so you resolve that 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:27.520 the guilt from that by saying, my mom, you're not 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.719 my mom, you're an imposter. So, but I want to 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:32.240 have sex with you. And that's okay, I mean the 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:38.200 Glenn Miller version of the mood, and I feel really guilty. Um. Again, 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:41.840 again we should say that one was thrown out. A 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.080 lot of researchers think that it's a result of an 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:47.240 actual organic cause, something physically wrong with the brain, which 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:50.800 makes sense to me. Um. They look for lesions, um 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:55.840 cerebral dysfunction, signs of atrophy, and like you mentioned, it 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:59.440 is also morbid a lot of time with psychotic disorders, 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:06.000 um epilepsy, even Alzheimer's and you mentioned schizophrenia, which makes sense. 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:09.719 I think bipolar is on there as well. Yeah, so 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:11.520 other doctors say, you know what, it might be a 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:15.760 combination of these things like physical and cognitive causes, Like 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.520 you have some sort of organic damage, but then you're 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:25.000 you're mentally you're rationalizing it inappropriately, like you can't accept 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:27.960 that you're delusional because of any sort of brain damage. 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:32.280 You're projecting it's everyone else is an impostor. So that 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:35.240 would be a combination of mental and physical And again 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.760 it's your brain trying to explain something that doesn't quite 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:41.319 add up in your head. Yeah, so what's clear is 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:44.400 there's a breakdown and communication. There is UM somewhere in 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:49.240 the brain. It's they Ramashan drown Um and his partner. 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.200 I don't want to just call out the star, but 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:55.720 Hirstein and Ramschandron did a paper in nineties seven that 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:59.559 was pretty interesting. They consider it a problem of memory 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:03.240 manage mint wherein like you or I, if if our 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:07.600 brain is to be UM, if it's a computer, look 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:11.959 it as a computer, right, UM, when we see somebody 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.560 or meet somebody, we create a file on that person, 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:18.080 and then when we encounter that person again, we access 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:20.959 the same file and then add to it. But it's 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:24.160 the same file. What Rama Shawn John and hers steam 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:28.080 we're proposing was that, uh, people who have cop craw 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:31.120 make a new file every time for the same person. 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:34.240 But there's also there has to be some sort of 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:36.720 link between these files. I don't think that's necessarily an 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:38.920 apt description. I think there are more onto it with 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:42.240 it's just missing. It's the same file. It's just missing 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:46.640 something that the patient senses is missing. There's a void 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.719 there and they're saying, well, I'm missing something because you're 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:51.679 an imposter and I don't really know you, like some 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:57.000 sort of emotional identification marker. UM. This is really interesting 0:13:57.040 --> 0:14:00.640 to me. They have studies that showed that UM blind people. 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.480 It can actually extend to their voice of the person, 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:09.960 but other times they've shown that they recognized them on 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:12.199 the phone but not in person. Yeah, that was a 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:15.640 dude named DS that Rama Shandron, So it can be both. 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:19.320 He could his was UM. The only modality is what 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.960 they call it for his UM. His delusion was visual, 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:26.240 so like when he saw his parents, his dad was 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.400 not his dad, and actually his dad was pretty cool. 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:32.080 His dad. One day, um DS was a thirty year 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:33.960 old Brazilian guy who got into a car accident and 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:37.720 started suffering cap Cross syndrome, and um his parents started 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:39.960 to get really worried didn't know what to do, so 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.840 his dad one day came in and declared that the 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:46.360 man who had been replacing him as an impostor, he 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:49.080 had sent him away to China and he would never return. 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:52.280 And I'm your father, and I'm back, And it worked 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:53.880 for a couple of weeks and then it just went 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.920 back the The guy became convinced that no the impostors back, 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:01.320 he had cap Cross syndrome, so add that he came 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:04.280 to believe that he himself is an impostor. And he 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:08.760 asked his mother, when the real DS returns, will you 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.400 still love me and treat me as your friend? Can 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:13.720 I still stay around? And she said, I don't know 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:19.640 who you are. So this guy thought, um everything, including himself, 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.360 was an impostor. I thought there were two Panamas that 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:24.760 he'd been too recently, thought there were two United States. 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:29.560 There were doubles for everything, and UM when he talked 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:31.640 to his parents on the phone though that he didn't 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:35.920 suffer that delusion. It was strictly dad, where like, there's 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:41.720 this other guy here pretending to be you. Yeah, oh 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.200 I I don't know he would like he didn't hide 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:47.320 it from what I understand. Interesting, which is something that's 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:51.520 probably healthy if you have cap Greff syndrome, because there 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:56.400 is UM. There have been instances of violence with cap 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.760 gress syndrome. Yeah. This one guy thought a robot had 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.920 replaced his father, so he decapitated his father to look 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:07.360 for the robot inside UM. A woman in a mental 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:11.320 institution killed another patient because she thought that she was 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:15.800 going to kill her double, her daughter's double. So she 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:19.320 was actually protecting the impostor from somebody who she didn't 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:24.040 necessarily think was an impostor. It's very interesting. So as 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:27.160 far as treating this, there's you know, since it's pretty rare, 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:33.200 there's not a lot of you know, prescribed regular treatments. UM. 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:36.640 Sometimes it goes away, it doesn't really. Yeah. Sometimes if 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:39.480 it's like a physical brain trauma, uh, you can re 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:42.960 establish that connection and and things start firing correctly again, 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:45.800 and it just kind of disappears. I wonder when you 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:49.120 come out of it, Chuck, like, do you feel like, Wow, 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:51.600 that was really crazy what I used to think? Or 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:54.080 do you feel like all the impostors have left in 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:56.480 all of my families back now? Oh, I don't know. 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:01.120 That's weird. Another thing that they say, if it's linked 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:04.000 to a mental disorder, sometimes it can be helped by 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:07.800 medication that would also help that mental disorder. Um, but 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:11.520 they're really for most people, there is no treatment, uh, 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:13.760 and there is no cure. I think it's just probably 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:17.919 a long series of of sessions on the couch, you 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:20.280 know what I'm saying. But I mean, how do you 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:24.119 forge trust that's it, you know, in somebody when you 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:31.960 which is required to say, Okay, it's me, everyone's not impostors. 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:35.000 I have a false belief when ultimately, if the closer 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:38.119 you get to, say like your therapist, the more likely 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:40.240 you are to come to believe that they're going to 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:44.920 be replaced by an impostor. This this is a sad condition. Yeah, 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:48.280 so let's talk about some other sad conditions too that 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:53.320 are similar. I mean, it's a it's a delusional misidentification syndrome. 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:59.000 It also falls under the umbrella of reduplicative paraamnesia. Wow. 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:02.679 Uh yeah, it's a mouthful. So another similar one is 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:08.160 the Fregoli system and it was named after Leopoldo Fregoli. 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:10.760 He was a quick change artist. And that leads you 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:14.480 to believe that people around you are people in disguise, 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:22.359 so not replacements. But hey, I know that you should 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.679 be my dentist, but you're really my sister in disguise 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:29.440 as my dentist. Yeah, it's like over recognition. Like everyone 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:33.119 in your life that you see and interact with on 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.439 a daily basis, like your your dentist, or somebody on 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.560 the subway or whatever, is actually somebody very close to 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:44.720 you dressed up in disguise. Cotard syndrome. That is a 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:48.320 belief that you are missing body parts or you are 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:53.080 emotionally dead. And sometimes they think like my heart doesn't beat, 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:56.920 or I don't have bones, or I don't exist any longer. Yeah, 0:18:57.560 --> 0:18:59.600 and it's not I mean, these are people that really 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:04.120 feel the way. It's pretty much like the psychological manifestation 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:07.920 of an existential crisis. Yeah, like you think your brain 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:11.360 is rotting inside of you and like you're dead. I mean, 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:15.560 you don't feel anything. What about inter metamorphosis. This one's odd. 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.800 It's kind of like, um, it's kind of like cop 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:23.760 grass syndrome, but it's it's more complete like the and 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:27.800 it's not imposters. It's people close to you switching, just 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:31.520 your brothers now your father psychologically and physically, the whole 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:33.800 ball of ax. Like apparently you see them, like when 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:36.840 you're interacting with your father, you see and think you're 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:43.120 interacting with your brother if they've switched. Yes, wow. Indeed. 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:47.080 The thing about this though, and you kind of get 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:50.720 this from the Ramashan dram paper, which I strongly recommend reading. 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:54.600 It's it's only like nine pages. It's pretty interesting stuff 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:57.520 is every once in a while he comes, he pulls 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:02.000 back and it's like, can you f him leave? The brain? Yeah, 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:05.640 it is incredible what what it can do, and when 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:09.800 it malfunctions, man can ever malfunction. But he's pointing out 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:14.800 that like through these really really rare cases, Um, you 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:17.440 can start to get a glimpse into how we form 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:20.360 memories and how we retrieve memories, and to better understand 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:26.240 human consciousness through you know, these these very unique unusual patients. Yeah, 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:27.880 i'd like to think at the end of our run. 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:30.840 You know, in fifty years, we're gonna have a nice 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:34.720 body of work on the brain for people to to 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:38.000 pick and choose and uh, you know, from like alien 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:41.000 hand to cap craw to how memories are formed and 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:43.400 how you taste and myths on the brain. Yeah, it's 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:45.399 just pretty amazing stuff. I know, what did you taste? 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:48.280 It tastes delicious. It's it's our I think it's probably 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:53.400 our favorite topic. Did you just say fifty years? Yeah? Man, hey, 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:56.800 I going for you. Have you seen the impostor Ah? Yeah, 0:20:56.920 --> 0:21:00.000 I think I talked about it before to this good documentary. 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:03.040 Good documentary, Go check that one out. Yeah. Uh. And 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:06.040 you got anything else on cap craw No, sir, Okay, 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:13.080 cap craw, crab grass, cap grass, COUDI, gras butter all 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:15.720 of those things. Type them into the search bar how 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:18.119 stuff works dot com and it may or may not 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:20.960 bring up this article. At least a couple of them will. Uh. 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:24.280 And since I said, um, search bar, let's have a 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:47.919 let's take a message break and now listener maw yes, buddy, 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:52.200 I'm gonna call this one. Uh. Email from a former Mormon, 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:57.639 former Mormon foreman the for Mormon. Uh, Hey, guys and 0:21:57.720 --> 0:21:59.600 Jarious listen to the podcast on marriage want to give 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:03.240 you some information on Mormon marriage. Though the Church of 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:06.280 Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints no longer practices nor 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:10.080 supports the secular act of marrying multiple spouses, men can 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:13.320 still be sealed to multiple women. And I'll try and 0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:16.000 explain sealing view. But even though I was raised a 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:17.560 member of the church, the details are a little bit 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:20.440 fuzzy because he's been out for a little while. Uh. 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:22.520 Those ceiling is related to marriage and takes place at 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:25.760 the same time. It is a separate ordinance. Where marriage 0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:29.000 insures that a couple receives all the legal benefits promised 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:32.280 by the government. Sealing insures all of the religious benefits 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:36.640 promised by the Lord. That was a good preacher, Thank you. 0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:39.520 The two main benefits that I can remember are one, 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:43.000 the sealed persons will be together for all time and eternity. 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:46.000 And to the sealed persons will enter into the highest 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:50.520 level of heaven of the three, it's just three levels. 0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:52.760 I found out a man can be sealed to multiple 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:55.880 women when my parents went through their divorce. Even though 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:57.920 they went through the legal process of divorce, they never 0:22:57.960 --> 0:23:01.440 had their sealing nullified. When my dad remarried, he was 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:03.919 sealed to my stepmother and to my biological mother at 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:06.600 the same time. Later on, when my mom remarried, she 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:09.480 had to nullify her sealing to my father because women 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:11.879 are not allowed to be sealed to multiple men, only 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:16.000 men to multiple women. Furthermore, my new stepfather was sealed 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:19.320 to his late wife when he married my mother, and 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:24.560 he still is to this day. Yeah. My intentions aren't 0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:28.119 to bash the church in any way, um, but that 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:30.280 fact that the fact that men can be sealed to 0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:32.680 multiple women is a little known fact that most people 0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:36.159 inside and outside the church. Uh. Though the church's practice 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:39.920 of polygamy doesn't bother me anymore, educated consenting adults should 0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:41.600 be allowed to be with the ones they love in 0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:46.000 my opinion, and that's his opinion. I am bothered by 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:48.640 the fact that they don't inform people of their policy 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:51.520 on being sealed to multiple spouses. That's all I've got. 0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:54.280 Guys on Mormons and marriage. No longer remember the church, 0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:57.159 but I still find the religion and culture very fascinating. 0:23:57.520 --> 0:24:00.240 A podcast on how the Church of Jesus rise oft 0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:04.080 Laturday Saints works would be amazing, and that is from 0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:10.040 Ethan Ethan Clark. Yeah, long lost brother, and we've been 0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:14.119