Speaker 1: Hello everyone, it's me your friend Josh, and for this
Speaker 1: week's s Y s K Selects, I've chosen our episode
Speaker 1: on cop Cross or cop Craw. We never actually really
Speaker 1: figure it out in this episode Syndrome. It's about an
Speaker 1: astoundingly interesting mental disorder where a person believes the people
Speaker 1: in their life have been replaced by impostors. And this
Speaker 1: episode contains the dorkiest line I've ever uttered. Yes, Wow,
Speaker 1: indeed enjoy. Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production
Speaker 1: of My Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome
Speaker 1: to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. I'm pretty sure the
Speaker 1: person with me is always is Charles W. Chuck Bryant,
Speaker 1: cap grasp. Yeah, I think it's cup Craw because it's
Speaker 1: a Frenchman who was the first person to describe Jerry.
Speaker 1: Just call it crap Cross. We're all kinds of screwed up,
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to say cop crawl the whole time,
Speaker 1: so we'll just say kept grads obnoxious. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like, we're not in Quebec, that's right, um right.
Speaker 1: This is basically are our Invasion of the Body Snatchers
Speaker 1: episode past that unless we do one on the invasion
Speaker 1: of the body snatchers. That's kind of the deal, though.
Speaker 1: We're talking today about a very very strange and once
Speaker 1: thought to be very uncommon and rare disorder um a
Speaker 1: delusional disorder, a delusional misidentification disorder, to be specific, where
Speaker 1: the sufferer believes that the people in his or her life,
Speaker 1: people very close to him, have all been replaced by impostors,
Speaker 1: that they're there, Like I'm looking at you right now, Chuck,
Speaker 1: and you look just like Chuck, and you're doing a
Speaker 1: great job with the voice and everything, but like I
Speaker 1: don't want to say it, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: look you in the eye, but like you're obviously not Chucking.
Speaker 1: What's going on? We all feel that about each other occasionally,
Speaker 1: but imagine like that all the time, Like, how would
Speaker 1: you just not lose faith in the reality of anything
Speaker 1: if you thought, first of all, how are people? How
Speaker 1: are they coming up with great impostors like this? Who
Speaker 1: is they? Why are they doing this? Why you? Is
Speaker 1: it just you? Or is the whole world impostors? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's like there's a lot of really weighty questions
Speaker 1: involved with this, and as a result, science has been
Speaker 1: trying to really figure out the mystery behind it and
Speaker 1: has failed thus far. Yeah, and you know we we
Speaker 1: already should say. It's not only difficult on the person,
Speaker 1: but it's difficult on the person being misidentified as well.
Speaker 1: And you don't really don't hear a lot about that.
Speaker 1: I read a bunch of articles on this and only
Speaker 1: one said, and don't forget if someone if your wife
Speaker 1: thinks that you're an impostor, it's really tough on you
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, that is kind of overlooked, Yeah, very much. So. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this is actually kind of a newish phenomenon as
Speaker 1: far as description goes. UM Dr cop Craw and Dr
Speaker 1: Rebu last show, UM described Madame m who believed that
Speaker 1: she had as many as eighty husbands, all of them
Speaker 1: the same, looking the same, but they were all imposters
Speaker 1: and she never could get close to him because um,
Speaker 1: eventually they would just kind of leave and be replaced
Speaker 1: by a new one. And she was utterly convinced of this.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure at the time they thought, what this
Speaker 1: lady is just nuts, But then the more people did research,
Speaker 1: the more they found and I couldn't find any good
Speaker 1: stats on how rare it is undered thousands, and that
Speaker 1: means nothing. So the one I saw it was in
Speaker 1: two thousand or six five. I believe the estimate was
Speaker 1: between one point three to four point one percent of
Speaker 1: all psychiatric patients have cap craw And you can probably
Speaker 1: say that if that's close, then that's probably close to
Speaker 1: the general population. Because if you believe that the people
Speaker 1: who are closest to you in your life are impostors
Speaker 1: and you're accusing them as such, they're probably gonna force
Speaker 1: you to go seek psychiatric help. So that would probably
Speaker 1: be a pretty close statistic for the society for society
Speaker 1: at large. And where you really see it though, is
Speaker 1: in Alzheimer's patients. The statistic was between two and thirty
Speaker 1: percent of Alzheimer's patients possibly suffer from cop crop or
Speaker 1: crab grass. But it isn't that just Alzheimer's. No, not
Speaker 1: necessarily Alzheimer's. You know that's that can be forgetfulness, Um,
Speaker 1: that can be uh yeah, I guess disorientation. This is
Speaker 1: like you're accusing your husband, your wife, your son, your
Speaker 1: daughter of being somebody else, somebody posing as them. Okay,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. So this is different than something we've
Speaker 1: covered face blindness before, Right, we talked about it came
Speaker 1: up in something else, but yeah, maybe we did do
Speaker 1: a whole podcast on it. I'm not sure. But that
Speaker 1: is uh, proso pregnosia, and this is not prospregnosia. That's
Speaker 1: and you can see your face over and over and
Speaker 1: over and still you just don't know who it is.
Speaker 1: Right in this case, you know, like, hey, that's Josh,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at him. I know that face. But um,
Speaker 1: they're they've done studies with a skin conduct conductance is
Speaker 1: when they they're basically measuring the amount of perspiration on
Speaker 1: your face, which is a it's a measure of the
Speaker 1: limbics system being active, which is in turn a measure
Speaker 1: of your emotions going off. Yeah, with the idea being
Speaker 1: that if if you're sweating a little bit on the face,
Speaker 1: then that is a physiological or psychological queue that like, hey,
Speaker 1: look at this picture of your mother. I would recognize
Speaker 1: that as my mother, and maybe my face will sweat
Speaker 1: a little bit. Right. If you are what's called a
Speaker 1: normal if you have propagnosia, um, you will not recognize
Speaker 1: that picture intellectually consciously, but your skin conductivity will go off.
Speaker 1: So that means that the emotional cue is still triggered
Speaker 1: even though you don't know who you're looking at. That's
Speaker 1: the opposite of studies of um cap cross syndrome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they'll see a picture and they will not have It's
Speaker 1: basically like they're looking at a picture of a complete stranger, right,
Speaker 1: and and they don't have they they don't have that
Speaker 1: recognized the face right exactly, but they don't have an
Speaker 1: emotional response. Here's the thing. They recognize the face enough
Speaker 1: to know this is my dad. They are rational enough.
Speaker 1: That's the other thing too. Other than this the rational
Speaker 1: it's what's called a mono thematic syndrome, where you have
Speaker 1: one delusion and it's a whopper and it basically consumes
Speaker 1: your whole life. So the irrational otherwise and the rational
Speaker 1: enough to say, Okay, this is my dad I'm looking at,
Speaker 1: but I don't feel any kind of emotional stimulation from
Speaker 1: seeing my dad and I should and because I don't,
Speaker 1: this is an imposter. That's what they think is going on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of the common things that the people with the
Speaker 1: syndrome will say is that like their soul is gone
Speaker 1: or their soul is missing. That's a different syndrome. No, no no, no,
Speaker 1: that that that's that's linked to cap Graw because they'll
Speaker 1: recognize the other person. Yeah, okay, the person they're looking
Speaker 1: at is that's not my mother. That's not there. There's right,
Speaker 1: would sense my mother's soul. Right. So what they think
Speaker 1: then is that when we this kind of proves that
Speaker 1: we make memories two ways that are connected. That we
Speaker 1: we take in stimuli, right, like visual stimuli. I'm looking
Speaker 1: at you and at the same time I'm looking at Chuck,
Speaker 1: and I like Chuck. So I'm also kind of taking
Speaker 1: note that same memory that I'm forming of the visual
Speaker 1: representation of you also has an attendant um emotion happiness.
Speaker 1: I like you, So when I see you again, I
Speaker 1: should feel that same thing happiness. I'm glad to see Chuck.
Speaker 1: That is a full memory. With cop Craw, people who
Speaker 1: suffer that they're missing the emotional aspect and they have
Speaker 1: the recognition and they vs. Rama Shan Drawn I think
Speaker 1: I said as name right. He came up in the
Speaker 1: Mirror Neurons episode. It's just as brilliant genius dude, you
Speaker 1: see san Diego go as text. Maybe I think so, um,
Speaker 1: he he said, Probably what's happening then, is you have
Speaker 1: a secondary lesion or secondary damage where your your right
Speaker 1: brain is very analytical and it checks your left brain,
Speaker 1: which wants to explain everything away. And if that right
Speaker 1: brain analysis is damaged, then the left brain can do
Speaker 1: go to whatever links it wants to to explain away
Speaker 1: strange phenomenon. In this case, if you have that disconnect
Speaker 1: between the UM sensory input and emotional aspect of a
Speaker 1: memory in conjunction with a loss of the right brain
Speaker 1: checking your delusions, then the left brain is able to
Speaker 1: go off and say, oh, well it must be an impostor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well the emotional side wins out essentially as an explanation
Speaker 1: to sort of reconcile those two things. Yeah, because it's missing.
Speaker 1: It's not deluded. The person is not delusional. It's there's
Speaker 1: an impostor. Yeah. You know what's really weird is UM.
Speaker 1: Another one of the characteristics sometimes is it can extend
Speaker 1: to animals and objects as well, so it's not always
Speaker 1: just people. They can you know, that's my dog, but
Speaker 1: it's not. I know that chair is not the original chair.
Speaker 1: Someone came in here and replaced it with an exact
Speaker 1: replica UM, and they're not hallucinating you know these they're
Speaker 1: aware of all this stuff. Yeah, and I mean imagine
Speaker 1: the paranoia that that would generate in you, like who
Speaker 1: moved the chair? Who replaced this chair? What's the deal?
Speaker 1: And Um, they found that it's it is co morbid
Speaker 1: with things like Alzheimer's and schizophrenia as well and other
Speaker 1: psychotic disorders. Yeah, and it's it's usually your spouse to UM.
Speaker 1: One article I had said, it's always your spouse is
Speaker 1: how it starts. Oh yeah, yeah, but I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's quite right. That seems a little willing nilly
Speaker 1: to say every single time it starts with your spouse. Hmm.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about some of the explanations that science
Speaker 1: has come up with UM since it was first described
Speaker 1: in it was right in Freud's wheelhouse. Oh yes, So
Speaker 1: the psychoanalysts had their had the first crack at it,
Speaker 1: and they swung and missed. UM. They basically said that
Speaker 1: it was a repressed edifics or electric complex, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that that was kind of poopoo pretty quickly. Um.
Speaker 1: They were saying that you know that you're just trying
Speaker 1: to resolve guilt about your circumstances. UM, identifying your parents
Speaker 1: it look alike and then pretty quickly scientists and you
Speaker 1: know that it probably doesn't have to do with repressed
Speaker 1: feelings in this case, done done everybody. Kenneth took his
Speaker 1: ball and went home. Yeah he yeah, he's really been
Speaker 1: kicked to the has he Yeah, even by psychology. They've
Speaker 1: turned their backs on him. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, psychodynamic approach,
Speaker 1: sorry Freudians. Um, that was the psychodynamic approach, and that that's,
Speaker 1: like we said, has kind of been pooh pooed. Well,
Speaker 1: that was the psychodynamic approach, was the one where it's
Speaker 1: repressed feelings. Fordian approach was that you wanted to have
Speaker 1: sex with your mom, so you so you resolve that
Speaker 1: the guilt from that by saying, my mom, you're not
Speaker 1: my mom, you're an imposter. So, but I want to
Speaker 1: have sex with you. And that's okay, I mean the
Speaker 1: Glenn Miller version of the mood, and I feel really guilty. Um. Again,
Speaker 1: again we should say that one was thrown out. A
Speaker 1: lot of researchers think that it's a result of an
Speaker 1: actual organic cause, something physically wrong with the brain, which
Speaker 1: makes sense to me. Um. They look for lesions, um
Speaker 1: cerebral dysfunction, signs of atrophy, and like you mentioned, it
Speaker 1: is also morbid a lot of time with psychotic disorders,
Speaker 1: um epilepsy, even Alzheimer's and you mentioned schizophrenia, which makes sense.
Speaker 1: I think bipolar is on there as well. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: other doctors say, you know what, it might be a
Speaker 1: combination of these things like physical and cognitive causes, Like
Speaker 1: you have some sort of organic damage, but then you're
Speaker 1: you're mentally you're rationalizing it inappropriately, like you can't accept
Speaker 1: that you're delusional because of any sort of brain damage.
Speaker 1: You're projecting it's everyone else is an impostor. So that
Speaker 1: would be a combination of mental and physical And again
Speaker 1: it's your brain trying to explain something that doesn't quite
Speaker 1: add up in your head. Yeah, so what's clear is
Speaker 1: there's a breakdown and communication. There is UM somewhere in
Speaker 1: the brain. It's they Ramashan drown Um and his partner.
Speaker 1: I don't want to just call out the star, but
Speaker 1: Hirstein and Ramschandron did a paper in nineties seven that
Speaker 1: was pretty interesting. They consider it a problem of memory
Speaker 1: manage mint wherein like you or I, if if our
Speaker 1: brain is to be UM, if it's a computer, look
Speaker 1: it as a computer, right, UM, when we see somebody
Speaker 1: or meet somebody, we create a file on that person,
Speaker 1: and then when we encounter that person again, we access
Speaker 1: the same file and then add to it. But it's
Speaker 1: the same file. What Rama Shawn John and hers steam
Speaker 1: we're proposing was that, uh, people who have cop craw
Speaker 1: make a new file every time for the same person.
Speaker 1: But there's also there has to be some sort of
Speaker 1: link between these files. I don't think that's necessarily an
Speaker 1: apt description. I think there are more onto it with
Speaker 1: it's just missing. It's the same file. It's just missing
Speaker 1: something that the patient senses is missing. There's a void
Speaker 1: there and they're saying, well, I'm missing something because you're
Speaker 1: an imposter and I don't really know you, like some
Speaker 1: sort of emotional identification marker. UM. This is really interesting
Speaker 1: to me. They have studies that showed that UM blind people.
Speaker 1: It can actually extend to their voice of the person,
Speaker 1: but other times they've shown that they recognized them on
Speaker 1: the phone but not in person. Yeah, that was a
Speaker 1: dude named DS that Rama Shandron, So it can be both.
Speaker 1: He could his was UM. The only modality is what
Speaker 1: they call it for his UM. His delusion was visual,
Speaker 1: so like when he saw his parents, his dad was
Speaker 1: not his dad, and actually his dad was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: His dad. One day, um DS was a thirty year
Speaker 1: old Brazilian guy who got into a car accident and
Speaker 1: started suffering cap Cross syndrome, and um his parents started
Speaker 1: to get really worried didn't know what to do, so
Speaker 1: his dad one day came in and declared that the
Speaker 1: man who had been replacing him as an impostor, he
Speaker 1: had sent him away to China and he would never return.
Speaker 1: And I'm your father, and I'm back, And it worked
Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks and then it just went
Speaker 1: back the The guy became convinced that no the impostors back,
Speaker 1: he had cap Cross syndrome, so add that he came
Speaker 1: to believe that he himself is an impostor. And he
Speaker 1: asked his mother, when the real DS returns, will you
Speaker 1: still love me and treat me as your friend? Can
Speaker 1: I still stay around? And she said, I don't know
Speaker 1: who you are. So this guy thought, um everything, including himself,
Speaker 1: was an impostor. I thought there were two Panamas that
Speaker 1: he'd been too recently, thought there were two United States.
Speaker 1: There were doubles for everything, and UM when he talked
Speaker 1: to his parents on the phone though that he didn't
Speaker 1: suffer that delusion. It was strictly dad, where like, there's
Speaker 1: this other guy here pretending to be you. Yeah, oh
Speaker 1: I I don't know he would like he didn't hide
Speaker 1: it from what I understand. Interesting, which is something that's
Speaker 1: probably healthy if you have cap Greff syndrome, because there
Speaker 1: is UM. There have been instances of violence with cap
Speaker 1: gress syndrome. Yeah. This one guy thought a robot had
Speaker 1: replaced his father, so he decapitated his father to look
Speaker 1: for the robot inside UM. A woman in a mental
Speaker 1: institution killed another patient because she thought that she was
Speaker 1: going to kill her double, her daughter's double. So she
Speaker 1: was actually protecting the impostor from somebody who she didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily think was an impostor. It's very interesting. So as
Speaker 1: far as treating this, there's you know, since it's pretty rare,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of you know, prescribed regular treatments. UM.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it goes away, it doesn't really. Yeah. Sometimes if
Speaker 1: it's like a physical brain trauma, uh, you can re
Speaker 1: establish that connection and and things start firing correctly again,
Speaker 1: and it just kind of disappears. I wonder when you
Speaker 1: come out of it, Chuck, like, do you feel like, Wow,
Speaker 1: that was really crazy what I used to think? Or
Speaker 1: do you feel like all the impostors have left in
Speaker 1: all of my families back now? Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's weird. Another thing that they say, if it's linked
Speaker 1: to a mental disorder, sometimes it can be helped by
Speaker 1: medication that would also help that mental disorder. Um, but
Speaker 1: they're really for most people, there is no treatment, uh,
Speaker 1: and there is no cure. I think it's just probably
Speaker 1: a long series of of sessions on the couch, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But I mean, how do you
Speaker 1: forge trust that's it, you know, in somebody when you
Speaker 1: which is required to say, Okay, it's me, everyone's not impostors.
Speaker 1: I have a false belief when ultimately, if the closer
Speaker 1: you get to, say like your therapist, the more likely
Speaker 1: you are to come to believe that they're going to
Speaker 1: be replaced by an impostor. This this is a sad condition. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so let's talk about some other sad conditions too that
Speaker 1: are similar. I mean, it's a it's a delusional misidentification syndrome.
Speaker 1: It also falls under the umbrella of reduplicative paraamnesia. Wow.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, it's a mouthful. So another similar one is
Speaker 1: the Fregoli system and it was named after Leopoldo Fregoli.
Speaker 1: He was a quick change artist. And that leads you
Speaker 1: to believe that people around you are people in disguise,
Speaker 1: so not replacements. But hey, I know that you should
Speaker 1: be my dentist, but you're really my sister in disguise
Speaker 1: as my dentist. Yeah, it's like over recognition. Like everyone
Speaker 1: in your life that you see and interact with on
Speaker 1: a daily basis, like your your dentist, or somebody on
Speaker 1: the subway or whatever, is actually somebody very close to
Speaker 1: you dressed up in disguise. Cotard syndrome. That is a
Speaker 1: belief that you are missing body parts or you are
Speaker 1: emotionally dead. And sometimes they think like my heart doesn't beat,
Speaker 1: or I don't have bones, or I don't exist any longer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's not I mean, these are people that really
Speaker 1: feel the way. It's pretty much like the psychological manifestation
Speaker 1: of an existential crisis. Yeah, like you think your brain
Speaker 1: is rotting inside of you and like you're dead. I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't feel anything. What about inter metamorphosis. This one's odd.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, um, it's kind of like cop
Speaker 1: grass syndrome, but it's it's more complete like the and
Speaker 1: it's not imposters. It's people close to you switching, just
Speaker 1: your brothers now your father psychologically and physically, the whole
Speaker 1: ball of ax. Like apparently you see them, like when
Speaker 1: you're interacting with your father, you see and think you're
Speaker 1: interacting with your brother if they've switched. Yes, wow. Indeed.
Speaker 1: The thing about this though, and you kind of get
Speaker 1: this from the Ramashan dram paper, which I strongly recommend reading.
Speaker 1: It's it's only like nine pages. It's pretty interesting stuff
Speaker 1: is every once in a while he comes, he pulls
Speaker 1: back and it's like, can you f him leave? The brain? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is incredible what what it can do, and when
Speaker 1: it malfunctions, man can ever malfunction. But he's pointing out
Speaker 1: that like through these really really rare cases, Um, you
Speaker 1: can start to get a glimpse into how we form
Speaker 1: memories and how we retrieve memories, and to better understand
Speaker 1: human consciousness through you know, these these very unique unusual patients. Yeah,
Speaker 1: i'd like to think at the end of our run.
Speaker 1: You know, in fifty years, we're gonna have a nice
Speaker 1: body of work on the brain for people to to
Speaker 1: pick and choose and uh, you know, from like alien
Speaker 1: hand to cap craw to how memories are formed and
Speaker 1: how you taste and myths on the brain. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just pretty amazing stuff. I know, what did you taste?
Speaker 1: It tastes delicious. It's it's our I think it's probably
Speaker 1: our favorite topic. Did you just say fifty years? Yeah? Man, hey,
Speaker 1: I going for you. Have you seen the impostor Ah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I talked about it before to this good documentary.
Speaker 1: Good documentary, Go check that one out. Yeah. Uh. And
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