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Speaker 1: There has not been one instance of fraud that has

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Speaker 1: been found. These are baseless accusations. This is undermining our democracy.

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Speaker 1: This is calling into question the actual people who are

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Speaker 1: This is saying to people spreading all of these conspiracies

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Speaker 1: that aren't true, but there's also examples of actual fraud,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's interesting. I can't say Amy Walter

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Speaker 1: she mean to say that that was crazy? You can't

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Speaker 1: say that election there are there's dens of fraud. A

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Speaker 1: I saw the pictures of the Gavin knewsomething on a

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Speaker 1: it's an outdoor indoor sing big and sturdy enough to

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Speaker 1: again it's semi outside. But there was no social distancing

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Speaker 1: and no masks, so that was utterly dishonest. And they

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Speaker 1: weren't eating. They're just chatting anyway. Having said that, on

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Speaker 1: the question of electoral integrity and vote integrity and that

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Speaker 1: how are you, sir? I'm doing fine. Thanks. Guys. Were

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Speaker 1: other night violating all of his own guidelines and rich lobbyists.

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Speaker 1: You know, I my invitation must have gotten lost in

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Speaker 1: the mail. But I have to compliment the governor on

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Speaker 1: idiotic edicts about how many uh bites you can take

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Speaker 1: to that, brother, Amen to that. And well said, Um,

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Speaker 1: and the other thing. I don't know if you've got

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Speaker 1: a chance to hear his whole quote unquote apology. It was.

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Speaker 1: It was I've compared to Beethoven's Fifth Symphony. It was

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Speaker 1: an exquisite work of art in hypocrisy and stupidity. I

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Speaker 1: mean it was. It was astoundingly well crafted idiocy. But well,

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Speaker 1: something he excels in. Yeah. Indeed, So let's talk about

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Speaker 1: voting and vote fraud and and and the rest of it.

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Speaker 1: gonna answer a lot of questions, particularly involving the dominion

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Speaker 1: election software. Um. They've already done an audit that's raised

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Speaker 1: questions about ballots that weren't counted. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: every one of those mistakes of what it went against

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Speaker 1: we might not have lost this, after all, this is

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Speaker 1: the Lyddy who's who's work in our office here in Washington,

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Speaker 1: That is just again if it does, if actual fraud

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Speaker 1: it and the perception of it. Well and in the

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Speaker 1: because obviously the thieves dumped what they didn't want. It's

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Speaker 1: certainly conceivable. Well. And and and the act of actually

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Speaker 1: polling place. George Will had a great name for that.

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Speaker 1: He called it the communion of democracy. And it's signaled

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Speaker 1: to all of us as citizens that this is really important.

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Speaker 1: We took our time to do that because we knew

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Speaker 1: it was important. We bring our children along, teach them

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Speaker 1: to respect the process. Uh, and all of us now

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Speaker 1: been thrown out the window. The and and and and

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Speaker 1: and that is a second problem with this is not

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Speaker 1: only opened up the process to potential fraud and certainly

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Speaker 1: the perception of fraud. Uh, it's also denigraded the importance

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Speaker 1: of that the symbolic importance of the election, and each

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Speaker 1: of us as citizens having an important role to play,

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Speaker 1: not only the right to vote, which is the most

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Speaker 1: important civil right that we have as Americans, but with

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Speaker 1: every right comes a concomitant responsibility. Uh. And the most

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Speaker 1: important responsibility we have as citizens is to take the

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Speaker 1: But congress On Tom McClintock of the fourth District, California,

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Speaker 1: you percent right. People of any political persuasion should agree.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for the time and