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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know?

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Speaker 1: From House Stuff Works dot Com? Hey, welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is Stuff you Should Know. And I'm Josh Clark

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Speaker 1: and that's Chuck Bryant, Right, Chuck. That's a very formal introduction. Josh,

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Speaker 1: I like it said, I'd loosen up a little bit

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Speaker 1: made you're good. Check you remember we're talking about like

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Speaker 1: the worst way to die in a podcast several podcast back,

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Speaker 1: and uh, I said, for me, the worst way to

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Speaker 1: die would be a plane crash, right, because you're on

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Speaker 1: your way down and you're fully aware of the whole time,

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Speaker 1: probably of what's about to happen. I can't think of

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Speaker 1: anything worse than dying in a plane crash with a

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Speaker 1: bunch of strangers. Yeah, you know, you don't want to

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Speaker 1: die with people you don't know. Um, okay. So one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons I said that was because I've had

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Speaker 1: a terrible experience on a plane and nothing really untoward happened,

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Speaker 1: Like there wasn't a lot of turbulence or anything like that. Um,

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Speaker 1: but I I know it the hard way that I'm

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Speaker 1: actually afraid of flying. Most of the time. When I fly,

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Speaker 1: so it's a long flight, I'll take a callot of

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Speaker 1: pin and you know, drink some Scotch and then that's it.

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Speaker 1: I wake up and I'm where I'm supposed to be.

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Speaker 1: It's like a time travel machine to you pretty much. Yeah, so, um,

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Speaker 1: and it works like a champ right. Um. But the

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Speaker 1: least cognizant or you know, doing anything but drooling the

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Speaker 1: whole way right. Well, on the way back actually from Mexico,

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Speaker 1: a cash flight, cash bar flight. I didn't have any money. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's the point. I just shelled out like half of

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Speaker 1: And you can't give me liquor for free, right right?

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Speaker 1: All right? So anyway, this this perfect storm of horribleness

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Speaker 1: And I was actually looking up how fear works, right,

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Speaker 1: flight response perks up. And then you've got a more

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Speaker 1: thoughtful process that takes a little longer, that's really analyzing

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Speaker 1: if it concludes you're not in danger, it tells your

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Speaker 1: your hypothalamus to settle down, be rational, right, and then

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Speaker 1: you calm down. But this kept happening over and over

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Speaker 1: and over again. So for three hours, it was like

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Speaker 1: every twenty seconds I was cresting the hill of a

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Speaker 1: roller coaster. It was one of the worst things that

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Speaker 1: ever happened to me. So a lesson learned. As far

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Speaker 1: But but it turns out from what I understand, that

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Speaker 1: but this isn't These facts and figures don't make me

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Speaker 1: feel any better at all. But rationally speaking, I have

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Speaker 1: a very little chance of going out on a plane,

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Speaker 1: don't yeah about you want another number? Are you speculating? No? No, no,

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Speaker 1: I know that. You know I was setting you up

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Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, that's a good one. UM. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Your chances of dying, I'm sorry, no, I'm dying. Your

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Speaker 1: chances of even being involved than an airline crash, um

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Speaker 1: that's one of the big reasons. It's not me thinking this.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, people have studied this, and the lack

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Speaker 1: Nightly News. That's true. I've got I've got another another

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Speaker 1: That isn't to becoming evidence. That is an awesome, awesome staff.

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Speaker 1: That one came from air disaster dot com and um,

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Speaker 1: that is a site that I would never recommend anyone

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Speaker 1: but has nothing to do do with fear of crashing. What

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Speaker 1: This is a death seat. But people study this stuff

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Speaker 1: you get an impression of why the crash position changed. Well,

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