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Speaker 1: Stucats and emergencies and Hankers, areas brock Meyer. I think

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Speaker 1: every time there was someone sitting next to my father,

431
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Speaker 1: it was either a minority or a woman. I'm pretty

432
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Speaker 1: sure it was very. It was very. It was it

433
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Speaker 1: was their symbolism in this Okay, their most diverse show,

434
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 1: which was a half hour, is no longer on television,

435
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 1: replaced by Max Kellerman as they've doubled it up to

436
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: an hour after the summer, after the summer of George Floyd.

437
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Speaker 1: Like that's I'm not even that's just that's what I'm not.

438
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Speaker 1: I'm not criticizing it. I'm just saying this is absolutely so.

439
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: It's just factually, matter of fact what happened. It's interesting

440
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: because when Skipper left, John Skipper was the president of

441
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: ESPN for a very long time. And when Skipper left,

442
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: I think that was the end of of of programming

443
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 1: of content, right because that was his thing. He really

444
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Speaker 1: enjoyed creating content. I think that we we watched as

445
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Speaker 1: a rehash of everything else, and let's go backwards and

446
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: let's try it this way, but let's, you know, build

447
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: off of this format. It's really interesting that no one

448
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: is saying, hey, this is an issue, but they're living,

449
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: as you said, off of the four letters and life programming.

450
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Speaker 1: The four letters validate you, and and and and I

451
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Speaker 1: want this to be a bit session, you know, but

452
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Speaker 1: maybe it is. But the four letters give you this,

453
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Speaker 1: give me this opportunity to walk in rooms and people say,

454
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Speaker 1: she she can talk about sports, you can talk about

455
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: other things, but I also know your show allow people

456
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: to have this range, like it wasn't just teeing up

457
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: questions on first take or I'm just reading highlights on

458
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 1: Sports Center. There's range, there's personality, they're funny, they're clever.

459
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Speaker 1: And with the absence of that, how do you see

460
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Speaker 1: how do you see the world in which we live

461
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Speaker 1: in today's sports because to me, sports is still so

462
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Speaker 1: black and white. You're it's very few people such as

463
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Speaker 1: yourself in sports or in what we do, because it's

464
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Speaker 1: not just sports, the intersection of everything that has sports

465
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Speaker 1: around as at the center. How do you see this

466
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Speaker 1: business moving forward? Harry, It's crazy to me because all

467
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Speaker 1: it is that we provided for anybody within this entertainment

468
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Speaker 1: environment and the content business is a safe space in sports,

469
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Speaker 1: right games fun escape? I tell you sports game fun escape.

470
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Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be a cathede world, doesn't have

471
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Speaker 1: to be sacred, doesn't have to be serious, doesn't have

472
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Speaker 1: to be perfect all the time. All it is that

473
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Speaker 1: we provided. Our greatest gift secret to environment is you

474
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Speaker 1: can be your most authentic self here. You can you

475
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 1: can tear down the veneer of television, the places where

476
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: it's not humanizing and it's just come be yourself. Here,

477
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Speaker 1: Mina Kimes a star, indisputably a star. She can make

478
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: it wherever it is. She wants to make it, but

479
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: we gave her permission. She says this. I learned how

480
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: to do that there. I was allowed to be myself

481
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: goofy and weird and falling apart and unprofessional, and it

482
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: was humanizing and the people and the people liked it.

483
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Speaker 1: It isn't though to me. The part that's stupefying about it, though,

484
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Speaker 1: carry is like, how can we be unique in that regard?

485
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: Look at the world where at Disney it's a fairytale land,

486
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: it is the Escape, it's play, it's games, it's sports.

487
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 1: How can we be the weird ones? Because we're just saying, hey,

488
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: isn't this fun? Isn't all of this goofy and fun

489
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Speaker 1: and wonder full? And also it makes us think sometimes

490
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: and we talk about the deeper stuff when it makes

491
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: us think. But come on, everybody joined me in the

492
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: circus tent. No you don't want to know. Come on,

493
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 1: everybody over here, No you want to stay over there?

494
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 1: It was just weird. It still doesn't make any sense

495
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: to me. So when you say, what's it gonna look like?

496
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: In the future. Well, I think the Mannings are about

497
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: to show us. I think we're about to change some

498
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: of these things, like can you become this intimate thing

499
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,479
Speaker 1: where I feel like I'm sitting around with my friends.

500
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: You can take some chances, you can you can play,

501
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,479
Speaker 1: you can do the playground. But as it regards to ESPN,

502
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: I think they're just gonna pay five or six people

503
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: eliminate the middle class when it comes to talent, right,

504
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 1: five or six people at the top, the middle class

505
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: will be gone, and then a bunch of disposable pieces everywhere.

506
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: ESPN doesn't have any real known competitors, so they can

507
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: continue to do it that way while partnering with the

508
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: big streaming places and do UFC and do SEC football

509
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: and do you know big sporting event things, big live

510
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 1: sporting events, which is Harry, It's the only thing. Look

511
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: across the entire streaming industry. The only thing people have

512
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: to be where they need to be, no on demand,

513
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: I need to watch this now when it happens. Is

514
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: the live sporting events they care about that has enormous value.

515
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: They don't need to they don't need to pay for

516
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,959
Speaker 1: anything else. That by itself is enough for a giant

517
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: business man. Do I love him? How much do I

518
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: love Dan Labatard? When we come back, he's with us

519
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: and he's still giving out truth. Th h truth back

520
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: in a moment. Every champion and care, every Chappi is

521
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: to be a champion, a champion and carry Chappion and

522
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 1: carry Chapion. A champion and carry Chappion and carry Chappius

523
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: and sports, and then the taming can make you work.

524
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: Every champion and carry Chappi is to be a champion,

525
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: a champion. They carry Chappi and they champion, they carry Champion,

526
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 1: they carry Chappi Sports and then the same a cannake. Hey, everybody,

527
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: welcome back. So we're here with Dan Labatard. Just by

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00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: way of background, Uh, you know he worked at ESPN

529
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: for a very long time. You remember the shows that

530
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: he had on television, remember his radio show. He still

531
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: has this podcast as mentioned, but probably not long after

532
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: he left ESPN and it was announced. Dan and I,

533
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: as you have heard, discussed the opportunities that were out there,

534
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: and one of the biggest opportunities that that was publicized

535
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: for Dan was an agreement between Draft Kings and Metalwalk Media.

536
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: It's three years reportedly worth forty million dollars UM fifty.

537
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: I'm not getting into his money, that's up to him.

538
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: But his show will now be on different platforms including radio, television, podcasts,

539
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: and social media. Uh. And he's just living his best life.

540
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: It's everywhere. You can see. That was something I was reading.

541
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: You can see him everywhere. I'm so, so so happy

542
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: for him, and he deserves it all. But we get

543
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: into where we are now as people, how we've been

544
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: able to change so late in life, when we thought

545
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: we were staying in one direction. In direction goes somewhere else.

546
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: Take a listen. Streaming is the future, and it's it's

547
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: the current. Is this I agree with you? No one,

548
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: So I don't know when the lot. You know, you

549
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: don't watch TV unless you need to watch a game literally,

550
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: and you can do you can tune in when we

551
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: cover the Olympics. We had uh Peacocky was streaming. We

552
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: had um the basketball USA Basketball. So it was it

553
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: forced people to go and download or this app and

554
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: purchase it for five dollars because you just want to

555
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: watch it nine times. I'll say, you're gonna keep it right.

556
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: It was. The subscriptions were through the roof streaming is

557
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: where everything is. And I think the reality though, of

558
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: of us allowing people to be more authentic, although we

559
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: may not see it in certain cases. That is it.

560
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's paying to you look at them.

561
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: You talk about Peyton. I love that he had a

562
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: red solo cup. That's the first thing I noticed, because

563
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: I'm queen of a red solo cup. Listen, I'm looking

564
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,959
Speaker 1: at the clock, like, when is it noon? I need

565
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: my red solo cup. Damn it. I would love I

566
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Speaker 1: would love to have been able to work there and

567
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: have a red Solo cup and he's just sipping on

568
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: it while Okay, is that not beautiful? Is that not

569
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing? It is? But instead you just got

570
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: stuck between Steve and A and Skip and then and

571
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Speaker 1: they let you say four words every hour while paying

572
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Speaker 1: while paying you one one hundredth of one one thousandth

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Speaker 1: of what they were making. You want to hear a

574
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: crazy story One time when I was working there. I

575
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: don't know how this happened on accounting, but I got

576
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: one of their paychecks. You know how you get direct deposit,

577
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: and one of I got. I don't know whose it

578
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: was because all of a sudden, I looked at my

579
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Speaker 1: account and I went from having two dollars to damn,

580
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Speaker 1: there eighty five thousand dollars for the week. And I

581
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: was like, you know, who's who's kidding? Who's kidding? Because

582
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,239
Speaker 1: I'm surely not getting paid eighty five thousand dollars every week?

583
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: Who's getting paid eighty five thousand dollars every week at

584
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Speaker 1: this table? Well? And then I called HR and I

585
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: was like, hey, do we have a problem or did

586
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: I get a raise? And they were like, yeah, no,

587
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know how that happened. I don't

588
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: I don't know whose paychecks that was. I was like, no,

589
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: Lie Dan like at the time, maybe I was making

590
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: I'm making up a number two thousand every two weeks,

591
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: I shoit if I know, But it was native five

592
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Can you imagine because you imagine my face

593
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: when I saw that? Were you not aware of what

594
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: the gentleman near you were making? Because I don't know

595
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: that they've corrected that. Early on in twelve when I started,

596
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: that wasn't known. And remember and then and I think

597
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: SKIP had a good contract with Stephen. It was still

598
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: going through his contract Stephen. It wasn't making I mean,

599
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: in comparison back then a lot, but he is obviously

600
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: you know how that place works. You put in your time,

601
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: you get more money. UM. Anyway, having said that, I

602
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: want to know something about you that I don't think

603
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: that I've ever asked before. UM. I didn't get a

604
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: chance to work with you in that capacity. But who

605
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: are you? Who are you drawn to like when you

606
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: would have You're obviously drawn to Jay for obvious reasons

607
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: because he see so great. But how did you decide

608
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: really like having this person on? They make me laugh

609
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: or they make me think. It's funny that you should

610
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: say that, because I would say that over the years

611
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: what ended up happening more often than not. I love writers.

612
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: I love writers who have some depth. But I think

613
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: that what happened at ESPN was I won't say it's

614
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: a happy accident, because they were a handful of people

615
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: that we identified that we wanted just because I liked

616
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: how it is that they spoke about things. But more

617
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: often than not, they would somehow end up in our

618
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: world because they wanted to be over here. You know,

619
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: there were just sort of tentacles and connections that would

620
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: make it easy, and it was more natural than just

621
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: identifying talent. I'd love to take credit as some sort

622
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: of grand master curator of young talent. But what we

623
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: would do is just sort of provide the Petri dish

624
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: here that would create some vibrancy and it would just

625
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: it would sort of lure people. It's somewhere between a

626
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: happy accident and a design because I know Mike and

627
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: does identify some people that he believes should have, you know,

628
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: a spot on the show and appearance on the show,

629
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: and then it grows from there. But that's hard to

630
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Speaker 1: tell at the beginning, carry because some of them were

631
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: so bad at the beginning, Like some of them get

632
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: to us so raw that it's not immediately. Mina was

633
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: terrible at the beginning. She didn't know, and in some

634
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: ways Mina doesn't still know. The regiments of television confuse

635
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: her and and don't make her her best self. Uh,

636
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: but we could sink into the mistakes around here. It's

637
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: something I wanted to tell you. You were mentioning the

638
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: content at ESPN when Skipper was there to this day

639
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: now that he's the CEO of our company. I mean,

640
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: this dude is a conqueror This dude has relationships at

641
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Speaker 1: the highest points in industry. But the happiest I see

642
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: him is when he is talking about creative content. Now,

643
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: he is somebody who reads a ton, loves museums, but

644
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: he himself is not a creators. So he likes to

645
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: empower them. He likes to he is better at what

646
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: you're talking about than I am, which is identifying. That's

647
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: what he was doing when he put me in this.

648
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: His whole his whole thing at ESPN was and you'll

649
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: appreciate this part. I don't know if I've told you

650
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: this before, but he worked at ESPN and he realized

651
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: that there were a lot of people around him who

652
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: were lifers, and he was trying to do something as

653
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: someone who comes from magazines and Rolling Stone and Rebellion.

654
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: He's like, Okay, how do I make this a little

655
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: bit edgier, a little a little bit uh less Bristol

656
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: less Bristol lifer. Okay, I'm gonna put some outposts here

657
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: in Washington, will make us a national company. To put

658
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,959
Speaker 1: something in Los Angeles, go grab the writers, put something

659
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: in Miami. He tried for years to change the culture

660
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: of whatever it is. Four thousand employees and was like,

661
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not gonna try and change everybody

662
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 1: here anymore. I'm just gonna hire a handful of fire starters.

663
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: So that was my job, my job. I didn't want

664
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: to work at ESPN. I was fine in Miami. My

665
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: job was go start fire. See see what kind of

666
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: other creatives end up gravitating to you. See if you

667
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: could give some people around here permission to to do

668
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: what you guys were doing around the television. Carry It's

669
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: crazy to me. I didn't know what we were doing that,

670
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: but I get so much of that. People in Bristol

671
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: were staring at their televisions as if an alien had

672
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: landed on the shore, a spaceship had landed on the carpus.

673
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: How are they allowed to do this? Why are they

674
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: allowed to do this? Who allows them to do this?

675
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: And now you have your answer. We were hired to

676
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: do it, that's we. The man who now runs metal

677
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: Ark as the CEO, somewhere within that he saw in

678
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: us the ability to do that and give people like

679
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: Carry Champion permission that she didn't have to exist as

680
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: a postage stamp between the eighty nine thousand dollar a

681
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: week check and whatever the check was that was bigger

682
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: than that. God bless right you. Okay, then I'm i

683
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: gotta let you go, I know, because you have so

684
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: much going on, but I just I have to say this, right,

685
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: So you talk about this, this idea of what skip

686
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: or hired you were, and you you've been true to that.

687
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: You were hired to be a fire starter you and

688
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: when you could no longer do that, it became claustrophobic

689
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: and you could not function I personally even to this day.

690
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: But I'm starting to move out of it. Like, in fact,

691
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say the last like six months, I've really

692
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: started to really settle into it. So when people see

693
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 1: me for whatever reasons, they don't see me as safe,

694
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: like I'm not the safe black girl, right because you

695
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: want to hire someone safe, safe looking. So I've been

696
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: unapologetic about certain things that who I am and I'm

697
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: never and people thinking like, you know whatever, I don't know.

698
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: If you're caught up in what I look like or

699
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: if I were high heels in a short skirt, that's me,

700
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: deal with it. But you know that has nothing to

701
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: do with what I'm going to tell you. It might

702
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 1: distract you, but that's on you. But I've been battling

703
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: with myself and thinking should I stay, Should I have

704
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: stayed more safe? And certain situations, should I have made

705
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: more people comfortable? But in my mind, and I've been

706
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: doing that my whole life as a black woman, making

707
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: people feel come triable when I want to just exist.

708
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: Have you ever felt that that was your job? I

709
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: wonder do men have that same concern? Do you ever feel,

710
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: not even just at ESPN currently now, in any certain situation,

711
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: do I need to make people feel comfortable? Safe, and

712
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,479
Speaker 1: and and and step back a bit, I would say

713
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: that I have been blessed with a great deal of

714
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: privilege and carry. I mean, we saw this so much

715
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: with highly questionable I can give you a thousand examples

716
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 1: like this, but the symbolic one to me is I'm

717
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: going on the set, you know, with macaroni on my face,

718
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: and when Sarah and Mina or l or anybody else

719
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: comes through here, they have to do ninety minutes of

720
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: makeup because if something's out of place, it will not

721
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: matter what they said for twenty two minutes before that.

722
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: Somebody's going to attack. And you know, this environment, this

723
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: caveman environment, can be populated by a whole lot of

724
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: men who you can't tell if they love women or

725
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: they eight women because of how hard it is for

726
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: you to make your way, like the difficulties that you have.

727
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: So to answer your question, I had the great privilege

728
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: of at every point being able with the power behind me,

729
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: to make everybody uncomfortable. And it was the job I'm

730
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: there as part as the uncomfortable journalists to make messes,

731
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: and so I was empowered to do that. But I

732
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: understand what you're saying, and the part that must be

733
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: suffering to you, as a strong black human being, is

734
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: that the only way some of these things change that

735
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 1: bother you around racism is if you make the white

736
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: person uncomfortable. That's so often, if you don't make them uncomfortable,

737
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: you don't get anything in the way of change. But

738
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: you see what happens when America gets uncomfortable. You see

739
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: you've seen happen that the cry for equality sounds like

740
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: a threat when you come from privilege. You know what

741
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: I mean. It's not a cry for equality. Is not hey,

742
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: I just want to be equal anymore. No, you're you're

743
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 1: making me uncomfortable by coming and trying to grab my power.

744
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: Don't do that, and then we all become Rachel Nickel, right, everybody, everybody.

745
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: Everybody's like, I need to protect this. Wait a minute,

746
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: I understand. Yeah, I believe equality and theory right up

747
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 1: until you're messing with what I've always had and my privilege.

748
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: And there's also this you're right, what a wonderful And

749
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: by the way, thank you for acknowledging your privilege, because

750
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 1: I think people won't don't like that word. So I wrote.

751
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,959
Speaker 1: I wrote about Gabby Petito, the young lady who was missing.

752
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: Why I thought it was so awful and horrible. You know,

753
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: I had to ask that age old question, what if

754
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: she was black? Would we care? Would we have this

755
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: wall to wall coverage? And and someone told me that

756
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 1: it was the wrong time, that I should have waited

757
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: to write this. I got a lot of those responses,

758
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: and in my mind, I said this very similar to

759
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: what you just said. The truth is always inconvenient, whether

760
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: it's in a relationship with your family, your friends, whether

761
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: you're talking about money. Whenever it's time to tell the truth,

762
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: it's just always inconvenient. It's never a right time, right,

763
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: And so when we look around you understand what your

764
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: purpose is. Dan like you are very clear to me

765
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: now and even though you did it scared and you

766
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: ran towards your fear, how much power? And maybe that's

767
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 1: not the word. How do you feel about your purpose

768
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: on Earth right now, on this this this place that

769
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: because Earth is ghetto right now when this ghetto asked Earth,

770
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: how do you feel about your place here? That is

771
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: that is a broad question. Um I I want to

772
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: laugh and I want to love with with my remaining years.

773
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: I want to do it at work. I want to

774
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: do it at home. I want I want this to

775
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: be like look, I aspired all the things that are changed,

776
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 1: instigating and profound and legacy, and may I have all

777
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 1: of the human success conquests that people aspire to and work.

778
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: But to me, I'm not lying to you when I

779
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: tell you carry that the success and the achievement for

780
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: me at work, at work professionally, a man can get

781
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: a great deal of his identity from his work. But

782
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: it is simply to be able to continue to do

783
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: it with the people that I love and for them

784
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: to continue to be able to do it so that

785
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: the reasons that I was hired at ESPN can continue

786
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: to bear fruit. And we don't shut up about these things,

787
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: and we make people uncomfortable, and we welcome him into

788
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: the tent for a fun party, if you want to

789
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: do that too, because we don't have to fight about

790
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: these things all the time. We can just talk about

791
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: them and have them be stimulating and interesting and maybe

792
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: instigate some change. So that's the work answer the personal answers.

793
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: I just want to love my wife and have the

794
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: greatest you know, have the greatest personal experience with growth,

795
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: because she makes me better. She she makes me uh,

796
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: she makes me grow. She makes me keep chasing the

797
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: places that are playful and also fearful. You know what

798
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: you should do speak playful and making you grow. You

799
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: should have a dating show, she'd do a couple of segments.

800
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: Or you do a dating show and you bring on

801
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: some bachelors for me and help me find a hot

802
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 1: boo right, preferably with some money. Well, you, I don't

803
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 1: know how honest you are in your spaces about talking

804
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: about your relationship history, but I can. I find it

805
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: hard to believe. I don't know who you're threatening. I

806
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: just find it hard to believe that this is something

807
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: that plagues you. I don't know it does plague me. Well,

808
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: then it's not that. It's not that I'm not dating

809
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: and my dance card isn't full. Like that would be

810
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: a lie, right, that would be led Jim, I would

811
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: tell you that's a lie. What I'm saying is, but

812
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: I want you to help me sus out. You know

813
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: a quality guy, you know what I mean? I think

814
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: the problem of what we do for a living is

815
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: that you I can't determine what you're attracted to. Is it?

816
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: Is it that because I'm not about to sit up

817
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: here and you know, do highlights while we're watching you know,

818
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: the Sunday games. You know what I mean? Um, but

819
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,479
Speaker 1: our manage men must be intimidated by you though, aren't

820
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: you don't you normally? Please tell me explain it to me.

821
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: How it is that that men arrive and they want

822
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: the sportswoman who was beautiful, but you make them uncomfortable

823
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: with your ambitions or what what is happening there? I

824
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: think that a lot of the men that I have

825
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: been doing this true story. My last boyfriend, honestly, he

826
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: was a sweetheart, nice guy, but as my career started

827
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: to rise in his career started to go the opposite way.

828
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: It made him uncomfortable. Um as I started to he

829
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: was always the provider, the breadwinner, made more money, and

830
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 1: as he started to see those things, he was happy

831
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: for me. But there was this reluctant happiness. And I

832
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: want someone. You know, Listen, when I say I want

833
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: someone who's gainfully employed, I'm not saying you gotta you

834
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: gotta be a millionaire. That'd be nice, But I want

835
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: someone who is comfortable enough in their own skin and

836
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 1: their own identity in their own job that doesn't feel

837
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: like giving me a compliment takes away from what they

838
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: do right, or takes away from how successful they are,

839
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: and they're okay with me working with You know a

840
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: lot of tall black rich men who are flirting like that.

841
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, but that okay. So all you're looking

842
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: for is a confidence, like a real confident man, like

843
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: just where the confidence is real, where it's not a

844
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: because if man that ain't that part's not that hard carry.

845
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: If someone really loves you and really knows you, that

846
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: to have the confidence that your woman is with you,

847
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: and the onslaught of better men, richer men, taller men,

848
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 1: fitter men landing on your shores wouldn't matter, because he's

849
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: got the confidence that he's got you ensnared because you

850
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: understand him, you accept him, you love him, and therefore

851
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: you're not going to be tempted by those things. But

852
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: that's a big ask, like you have to it's a

853
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,959
Speaker 1: it's a big ask in a small ask, right, because

854
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: all you're asking is for a man to have the

855
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: confidence that his love is real. That's all right. So

856
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: that's so it's it's big and it's small. Hey, that's

857
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: just love. That's where people get married. But you you

858
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: you know, that's that what that'll put you on the

859
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: aisle when you're sitting there and you have that confidence

860
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 1: and you don't doubt. It's I think that's where people say,

861
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: that's why she or he is the one because I

862
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: have the confidence that that that is that my love

863
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: is real, and so is hurt or his is the case.

864
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: Mabe listen, that's a tough ask. You're you're right, and

865
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: so I just confidence. I need real confidence. And that's

866
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 1: why and if you if you listen, I'm ready to

867
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: do the dating show. I'm answering all questions. All right, Well,

868
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: we gotta let's go. Let's get Peacock and metal ark

869
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: to put it together. And see what that dating show

870
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: looks like. Let's go. I would love it. Thank you

871
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: so much. I'm gonna let you go because I know

872
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: you have so much to do. Thank you for always

873
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: being honest and just um setting a wonderful standard of

874
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: what it should be and and and making me believe

875
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: there are some g what is My friends say g

876
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: w P good white people, But it's so I'm g BP.

877
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: I think I'm still classify as brown. I think, but

878
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: g BP. But my friend will look at you and say,

879
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 1: you ain't black. So that is why my dad was

880
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 1: on the show with me. Right, that's right, I'm Dan.

881
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: I don't like my last name is French, and yet

882
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: you think I'm but I know you're I know you're groud.

883
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: But I love you for who you are. Dan. Thank

884
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: you so much for joining me here on Naked. I

885
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: appreciate you. My friend. I'm not kidding. I really want

886
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: to do a show with him about my personal life.

887
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: I think that'll be hilarious. But we'll see. There's so

888
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: many different things that we can do right. Nevertheless, he

889
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: said something that I thought was really important. Uh, something

890
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: in our childhood let's talk about therapy made us feel

891
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 1: like we had to stay where we belong. Currently, whoever

892
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: is listening to this podcast probably has experienced that in

893
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: some form or fashion. Wherever you are, you feel as

894
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: if you should stay. It's too scary to leave um,

895
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: but you want to see that's the key here. We

896
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 1: both wanted to We both felt like we had no choice,

897
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: and that is something that relies in your own spirit.

898
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: That is something that is a personal decision that has

899
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: to be made by you. For me, I've been very clear.

900
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't I didn't love what I did anymore. I

901
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: felt muzzled, I felt restricted, I felt not I didn't

902
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: feel safe. Give me another adjective. For Dan, maybe it's similar.

903
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: Maybe he felt all of the things I have felt

904
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: plus more. Nevertheless, the message, the overall message, outside of

905
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: him getting me a boyfriend, the overall message is this,

906
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: bet on yourself. Truly believe in your talent. No matter

907
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: how unsure you are of what awaits you on the

908
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: other side, it will always work out, it will always

909
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: be amazing. Put your ego aside, and truly believe that

910
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: it's up to you that you can make it happen.

911
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: If you are ready to leave a situation or a

912
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: circumstance that no longer serves you. And that's the key.

913
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: If you are ready to leave a situation or a

914
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: circumstance that no longer serves you and your spirit is

915
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: rumbling and telling you you gotta go jump, I encourage

916
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: you to up take this huge leap of faith and

917
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: bet on yourself again. Everybody's circumstances different, but you do

918
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: know when you're being stifled. You do know when you

919
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: can no longer do what you came to do. You

920
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: do know when a situation doesn't serve you and it's

921
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: starting to affect you mentally, spiritually, physically, you gotta go.

922
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Speaker 1: I had to go, I had to go, and I

923
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Speaker 1: have to go. Thank you all for listening.