WEBVTT - A Reaction To The Posdnuos Episode Of The Questlove Show 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:08.000 Request Left Show is a production of iHeart Radio. 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:18.400 What's going On? 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:21.400 This is cousin Jake from the Quest Love Show back 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:25.720 with our very own open Mic Eagle, the two affiliates 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:26.400 of the. 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:30.080 Pod Mike, how is uh? How's your weekend? 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:33.120 Man? It's weird. I'm about to go on tour, so 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:38.080 everything seems like not enough time. But also I think 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:41.320 I've done everything I gotta do already, like everything is 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:44.240 out just needs to be packed. But I still feel 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:46.400 the anxiety of needing to do things that I actually 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:47.640 don't need to do. 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:49.680 You're going to Europe Western Europe. 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:52.080 Well, I go to the Northeast first. So I have 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:59.040 a week where I'm doing Brooklyn, Montreal, Toronto, Lansing, Michigan 0:00:59.080 --> 0:00:59.840 in Cleveland. 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:00.520 Wow. 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:03.400 Then I come home for a week and then there's 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:04.440 the European run. 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:05.600 Ah got you got you? 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:07.880 When this runs, those dates will be active. Is there 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:09.600 anything you're especially looking forward to? 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:12.080 Well, we sold out Toronto, so I'm really happy about that. 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:14.520 I haven't I've realized I haven't been to Montreal or 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:18.760 Toronto as a headliner before. I've been to both places 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:21.200 and performed before, but it's my first time headliner. So 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:23.840 I'm excited Toronto sold out and excited to see my 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:24.680 Canadian homies. 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:25.360 That is dope. 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:27.720 I know you're in Philly several times a year. I 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:30.200 would be saying what's up to you in person? If 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:32.720 not this trip, but I'll catch you on the next 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:35.360 That's what's up? Yeah, man, So one thing you and 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:37.760 I have in common, and obviously we're here to talk 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:41.440 about the Quest Love show, which you know, please make 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:45.680 sure you are following, liking, subscribing, all of those things, telling. 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:48.640 The engagement thing, the important engagement things everything. 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:50.960 And yeah, I mean we've been doing these many episodes 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.520 for the last almost six months, and I am so 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.559 happy that not only have you gone from guests, which 0:01:56.600 --> 0:02:00.080 is still an ongoing conversation to you know, being one 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.320 of the voices in the mix, and you and I 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:04.080 and you and a Mir and Amir and I we 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:08.640 have these different configurations of just trying to you know, 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:11.520 unpack and you know, we had a really special episode 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:12.960 that I think is near and dear to both you 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:16.040 and I with past news. Yes, and I just want 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:18.800 to begin right there, like, you know, talk to me 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:22.200 about what daylas soul and maybe what pass means to you. 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:26.079 I mean that in itself. That's the question that I 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:31.440 could spend quite a long time answering. I am fruit 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:35.679 from the Native Tongues tree, Like that was one of 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:37.560 the things I always in the back of my head 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:43.560 aspired to be one day is in Native Tongues because 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:48.680 of what they're not only just their music, but their 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.760 visual iconography and the way they dressed and the way 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:53.480 they all seem to get along and the way they 0:02:53.520 --> 0:03:02.240 seem to not feel the need to to take on 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:06.760 a hardcore identity that it has always been popular in 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:11.320 hip hop, which seemed especially important at that time, Like 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:14.200 it really seemed to be a big deal to have 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:16.520 people who were going out of their way to not 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:21.600 be that. And for me, whereas like I've always grown 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:26.360 up in inner city environments during the eighties and the 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:30.639 nineties when things were very dangerous outside, I didn't always 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:32.640 want that in my rap music because I was just 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.200 living in that. And so I was always so inspired 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:36.880 by people who felt like they were bringing in a 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:41.200 different perspective or trying to find something other than, you know, 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:44.440 the world outside their window. So day La Soul Tribe, 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:48.520 Jungle Brothers, Black Sheep, leaders of the New School Queen Latia, 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:52.720 Fomony Love, all of that stuff. That entire movement has 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:54.800 just been incredibly important to me, and it's been my 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:55.960 north start my whole career. 0:03:56.040 --> 0:04:00.000 Wow, Okay, and you I really on your episode, you know, 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:02.040 in late twenty twenty five you talked about that. I 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:03.960 think that was even you know, kind of the quote 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:07.400 unquote pold quote animation about you know, you wanting something 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:10.640 different than what was outside of your window or your environment. 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:13.200 You know, it's funny. I've gone back and forth in 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:17.320 my life. I've never I've never been an artists in 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.320 a musical sense, but Dayla Soul in particular all the 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.279 native tongues. Yes, but Dayla has always been. 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:24.240 You know, my favorite. 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.919 And I've seen the three of them in a number 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:31.799 of different places and spaces, and you know, have gotten 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:33.839 to work with them in limited capacity. I did a 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:36.479 bio for them in twenty nineteen when they were originally 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.880 going to do the relaunch with Tommy Boy, and I 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:43.080 didn't know what I was stepping into with that job. Yeah, 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:46.000 that's a conversation for another day. But these guys mean 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:49.760 everything to me, probably overlapping with you just in terms 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.279 of you know, I feel like people act like hip 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.279 hop started getting vulnerable in the last you know, fifteen years. 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:56.800 And to me, you know. 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.240 Even that line of you know, fbing hard posted news 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:04.000 is complicated. Yes, love that I Miib is one of 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:08.599 my favorite versus period, favorite songs period, And so to 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.000 have an audience, and I got to sit in when 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:14.120 Amir had the conversation with Pass and you know, a 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.919 few folks have asked too, and I know the backstory. 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:19.440 I've only been part of the QLs orbit since twenty 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:22.320 twenty two, but there is a Day Last Soul interview 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:26.440 that was taped somewhere between albums Not Long After and 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:29.800 the Anonymous Nobody, And you know, there's one or two 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.440 QLs interviews that Heaven run. 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:35.520 There's some that it was like a paperwork thing. This one. 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:38.040 Everyone on the team is looking for the tape and 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:42.240 the questlov Supreme kind of finale reunion episode. There's some 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:44.800 allusions to it, but my hope is that it turns 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:45.440 up somewhere. 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:48.120 I don't even know there was a lost tape. Yeah, 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.280 that's kind of fascinating. I had no idea about that. 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:51.640 There is, and I hear it was really good, but 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:53.919 it was in the early Days of QLs audio only 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:57.640 taped in I believe Amir's the roots dressing room of 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:01.200 thirty Rock in a cramp space, and I believe Maco, 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.479 Dave and Poss were all there, And yeah, I I 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:07.320 hope it comes up, but there was no motive from 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:11.000 my understanding as far as why Maco wasn't here. Instead, 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.120 I think that episode will have its own moment. It 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.840 hasn't happened yet, but it will. I think Amir really 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:19.040 wanted to isolate Pause. I mean, they are great friends. 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.640 And also, I'll say this for me, I don't like 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:25.120 the top five question, but if if somebody finds out 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:27.640 my passion or what I do for a living, if 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:29.880 you ask me a top five post, news is squarely 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.960 in it every single time. And I think Amir really 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:36.599 wanted to put a light specifically on him. 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.800 And I think that was really important to do too, 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:44.240 because as you sort of allude to when you talk 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:48.560 about you having worked with them, and then there's the 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:52.000 sense that the story was more complicated then you might 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:56.920 have imagined going in. From my understanding of Day Last 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:02.600 Soul's journey, there's a lot this gone on underneath the surface, 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:05.680 a lot that's gone on behind the scenes that is 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:09.960 a little more complicated than people might expect. The dynamics 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:14.880 are not always pretty, and I think like we've seen 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.120 tips of that iceberg over the years. Even in a 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:22.040 song like I Am ib we can hear oh things 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.239 inside native tongues. Like for us on the consumer side, 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.960 it looks rosy and we think everything still all good 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:31.000 because you know, we see one of them in a 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:34.200 video here and another one is doing a cameo there. 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:38.680 But the actual human beings involved in this have had 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.600 some tension, and I think that over the years day 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:45.680 La Soul because they've started out being so against the 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:49.520 grain in terms of hardcore, and they had to fight 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:53.560 being looked at as almost overly positive on Daylight Soul 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:57.360 is dead. But there's always been this inclination for US 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:00.840 fans to think that everything is rosy over there, you know, 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:04.360 because we don't hear about scandal. We don't hear about 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.840 a lot of public scuffles or them being involved in 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:12.440 anything violent, you know, like you hear about other rappers. 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:15.200 I think we assume that everything is all good and rosie, 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:16.920 but when you scratch the surface, I think there's a 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:19.320 lot of story to tell and That's one of the 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:21.720 things that was interested in this episode was just to 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:26.560 hear you can hear the years when you listen to 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:31.480 pause talk about these things starting a journey from where 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:35.800 they started in hip hop and what eighty eight to 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.880 twenty twenty six, and to still be vibrant and active 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:42.960 and having weathered so many storms. It's really an incredible story. 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:47.680 It's unique, like who else that started in eighty eight 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:53.240 has that type of catalog and still current output with 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.000 no you know, no ten to fifteen year gap. 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.960 No, no, no, not even I mean, other than the 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:03.200 tragedy of losing course, Dave, I don't really think I 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:06.720 mean even their liberation you know from Tommy Boy, and 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:09.640 you know, their pursuit of owning their own music. You know, 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:12.280 amazing story. I don't think there's a blemish. You know, 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:15.680 I've never you know, you speak of, you know, addressing 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.360 each other. And I love that they've always been able 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:20.200 to do that, whether it's the Native Tongues or day 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:25.560 Lah without drastic consequences, Like it's a group that feels 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:27.680 to me like life and so yeah, I mean, there's 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.040 so much in this two hour interview, and it was 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:31.800 really cool just to be a fly on the wall 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:32.680 and pass. 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:33.440 Was so generous, you know. 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.880 I will say, even in the biocapacity, I've interviewed the 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:39.360 guys over the years, but I've never felt like I've 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.480 had a great dayla interview. And I've never looked at 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:46.880 that as certainly not their fault, and I never really 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:48.920 looked at it as my own. I think what I 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:52.400 see is the trusted peerhood of AMR and Posse and 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:57.040 why that allows just such an open discussion because you know, 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:58.640 it comes from a place of love and trust. 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.280 Yeah, And I think that's what I was getting at earlier, 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:02.760 and I think a better way for me to say 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:06.960 it is that or another aspect of it is that 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:11.000 they have been like a closed system, you know, the 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.959 three of them like, and I've heard it described as 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:20.199 impenetrable for some people trying to work with them on 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:23.160 different things. It's not always easy. And I do think 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:25.160 that what you keep in on there in terms of 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:30.120 trust is really important because to be on that unique 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.600 of a journey and to have seen the things they've seen, 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:36.400 I bet they've been burned, you know. I bet they've 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.520 been burned before. I bet you know, people have wanted 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:44.920 to exploit them. People have wanted to manipulate them, and 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:47.520 you know, I'll say one of the things that I 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:50.480 thought was, like, it's like an interesting through line through 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:56.120 the conversation was how many times pods would explain something 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:58.760 as being done out of spite, but in. 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:00.600 A way that we would have never know. 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:06.040 Yeah, you know, like the oodles thing going directly at 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:09.360 run DMC or uh yeah, well no, no, no, it's the 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.960 it was the after connections at the High five because 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:15.680 of yeah, oodles of O's. 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:17.960 And you heard any of that story before? 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:22.240 No, I'd never heard me, neither me neither heard that. 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:23.800 And I love I mean, it's just such a fun 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:27.199 moment of delight where a mire goes, you know, are 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.400 you if I ask real nice like will you tell 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:32.520 that story here? And Boss was like yeah, He's like 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.240 are you sure? And Poss was like yeah. 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:36.240 And then he tells it and it's funny too. 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:38.760 I mean, the beautiful thing is is like Poss understates 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:42.920 not only you know was DMC and Jim Aster j 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.000 like fans and they kind of laugh at where Revron 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.120 was at that point in time. But it's it's clearly 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:52.240 a full circle of respect and all the things. I 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:56.120 didn't know that either, and there's allusions to it online 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.319 I found in my research, but never told as completely. 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:01.640 So just you and I both being fans. My first 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:03.760 question to you is is there a world where you 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:07.079 can imagine run DMC on the noodles of ospete? 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:11.080 I did try to think of that when it was said, 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:15.440 and I can kind of hear it. But it also 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:19.840 makes me think about where you know, run DMC was 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.040 around that time, and this is what like ninety one 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.560 is this is like down with the King era like 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:28.400 around then. Yeah, so they were trying to, you know, 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.480 get on different sounds, like jump on stuff that was 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:34.600 more modern, like them wrapping over Pete Rock, like like, oh, 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:38.000 this is interesting. I'm not sure if it fits perfect, 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:40.920 but it seems interesting. So I think I could hear 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:44.719 I could hear DMC on it a little more comfortably 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.520 in my mind, but maybe that was the issue. 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.000 Yeah. No, It's one of those questions. 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:54.000 And again it's a beautiful thing of Amir's curiosity because 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:57.640 I would never think to ask them who they were 0:12:57.679 --> 0:12:59.959 talking about. Hey, that's a brazen question for a journal 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.400 to ask, Like you better be you know, I think 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:04.280 there's a lot of armchair folks that just come out 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:08.280 the gate with these heavy asks. But my infinite respect 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:10.920 for these guys. I would feel some type of way 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.360 asking them, like, who were you getting at in that? 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:14.040 You know? 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:18.280 The interesting thing to me is as a listener, I 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:20.360 don't know that I ever thought that they were talking 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:26.160 about anybody in particular, because this whole album was them 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:29.760 sort of going at groups of people, you know, mostly 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:34.400 people who whose perception of them was wrong. I didn't 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:37.120 know that they had a particular act in mind when 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.360 they were saying it, And honestly, that never crossed my 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:41.400 mind that it might have been somebody in particular. 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.960 Yeah, I mean it's funny for me, like my genesis 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:48.840 into hip hop was you know, in ninety five, ninety four, 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.679 ninety five, But like at one hand I was listening 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:53.760 to Tribe, On another I was listening to Tupac. So 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:55.440 part of me and I was very much in my 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:58.960 early adolescence at that point, was getting you know, used 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:03.120 to controversy and to you know, things meaning you know, 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.679 everything has a target and you learn nuanced later and 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:08.960 then over time you realize like I don't really you know, 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:10.800 like I don't need to know, but it was funny 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:14.720 to listen to all that, indeed, and a lot of 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.640 people really gravitated onto that. I know that became the 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:21.000 animation Amir called that in episode like this is this 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:22.920 is what I want to go with, and let's let's 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:37.520 bleep the names and get folks in the door. What 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:39.840 else to you just as a fan of your magnitude 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:41.440 stuck to you in this episode? 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.560 Okay, so my fan hood is obviously a component here. 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:50.160 I think that my previous interviews of Prince Paul and 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:57.320 Dante Ross also give me an interesting perspective into things too, 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:02.040 like when pas Is talked talking about the Turtles lawsuit, 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:07.160 like I talked to Dante Ross and found out that 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:10.440 what paus was describing was the frustration not only of 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:14.000 having been in the lawsuit, but feeling like, oh, we 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:19.000 told Tommy Boy what was what these samples were, and 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:21.960 they didn't clear them, and now we're getting sued and 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:24.880 Tommy Boy is trying to settle the lawsuit out of 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:28.680 our money, like and I can feel that frustration, And 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:33.400 I remember Dante Ross telling me that yes, they did 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:37.600 tell them all of the samples. But what Dante Ross 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:42.400 and Tom Silverman, I think thought was that they only 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:47.160 needed to clear samples in the songs. Ok, they didn't 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:49.760 think they needed to clear the samples in the interludes. 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:53.320 And that's that was the gap where the whole thing 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:53.920 fell through. 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:58.640 That was interesting too, and I appreciated that a mirror 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.400 pointed to the two kind of landmark lawsuits as I 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:04.840 understand as a student. You know Bismarcky and Gilbert O'Sullivan 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:06.800 and then you know Daylight Soul in the Turtles, and 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:10.840 it was it was funny to imagine, and posted really 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:14.960 quality voices of the legal team, you know, and explaining 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:16.760 it that there was at one point like, hey, you know, 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.600 maybe we can do something together and settle this. And 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:23.520 I like Pass's point, and again it speaks to that 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.600 that humanity of them of also just like we all 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.200 go through things, we all have opportunities to be chippy 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:30.560 or petty or whatever the word is. But they were like, 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:32.080 if that was what it was about, that's not how 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.600 you would have approached it to begin with. And honestly, 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.800 to imagine a world where there's a Dayla remix of 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:39.840 Flowing Eddie or Turtles. 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:42.440 I dig it, man, because I'm you know, I messed 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:44.880 with flowing Eddie on the Frank Zappa stuff too, Like 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.640 I'm like, yo, that would have been kind of crazy. 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.000 That would have been kind of crazy to marry those 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:52.640 two sounds. To see what happened is funny. It reminds 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.520 me like the Judgment Night Sounds track, like interesting, you know, 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:59.400 but even an even probably more musically interesting thing than 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:01.960 what ended up happened in his part of that soundtrack. 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:06.119 Yeah, I something that stood out to me, and it 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:08.879 was just a few seconds of the conversation, but like, 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.600 you know, in a different way than Fife and Q Tip, 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:16.160 or a different way than Big Boy and Andre three thousand, 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:20.520 you know, Dave and Poss have always seemed to me, 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:23.400 and maybe because I fell in love with Daylas Soul 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:26.800 again when I was you know, twelve or thirteen, but 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.320 a unified front. I mean, they had very distinct voices, 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:32.159 but they always seemed in my mind to share the 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:35.200 same thesis on each song in a beautiful way, really 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:38.919 harmonious way. And I loved in two places where Pass 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:43.000 really broke down the contrast. I mean, he said, you know, 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:47.800 the entire stakes is high recording. You know that Dave 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:51.600 was really into focus on the industry Yeah, in a 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:56.440 way that poss is inspired and focused on life, and 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:58.800 you know, realizing they're both you know, family men, they're 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.119 both you know, going through all of that, I just 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:04.280 thought that, like that that compelled me to want to 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:08.640 replay the album and just see what that information does 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:09.879 to me and listening again. 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.359 Right, running it back and seeing it through that perspective. 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.760 Yeah, and I really also appreciated, you know, he spoke 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:17.080 about in focus. 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:20.760 And Dave being at I don't. 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:23.199 It's not fair for me, but like I'm paraphrasing, but 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:26.760 just at a kind of maybe a checked out place, 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:29.120 you know, not feeling the way things were going. 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:32.400 Because he was mentioning a lot of interviews that they 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:34.520 have done over the past few years when Dave was 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:36.480 still with us, what they were talking about that era, 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:39.280 and I keep wanted to call him rse now because 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:43.760 he kept be friends to himself. Yeah, he was talking 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:48.040 about hearing Dave talk about that time and it being 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:52.760 even revealing to him him not necessarily knowing how checked 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:56.080 out Dave was. But I read those interviews too, and 0:18:56.119 --> 0:19:00.400 those interviews were like heartbreaking for me because Balloon Mind 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:04.359 State is such an important album to me. It was 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:08.600 like really tough for me to hear that Dave doesn't 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:12.000 like that album or his idea of what the legacy 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:15.320 of that album is. The reason I love it is 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:18.400 because it's so far away from what everybody else was doing. 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.560 But that's like the same thing he doesn't like about 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.120 it because he feels like at that point them as 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:27.200 Daylight Soul was too far away from what everything else 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:29.800 was doing in hip hop, you know. So that was 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:31.440 a tough thing for me to wrap my head around 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:32.800 when he was doing those interviews. 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:36.400 Yeah, and it's interesting, I mean during the pandemic when 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:38.680 you spoke with Prince Paul on what had happened was 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:41.080 talking I love that album too, and if you I 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:43.720 go back and forth personally between Daylight Soul Is Dead 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:44.600 and Blue Mind State. 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:45.120 Same here. 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:49.440 And it's interesting to hear Paul's perspective too, because that 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:52.600 came at a time when they pass were diverging, and 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:55.080 Paul spoke about that in a way on your podcast 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:57.960 that was super just like I remember where I was 0:19:58.000 --> 0:19:59.639 when I was listening to that episode, and I was like, 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:01.760 that's and then to realize that all of these guys 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:04.399 were going through different things while each and the same orbit. 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:08.360 It just it comes back to beautiful art. It makes 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:10.639 me want to play it again and consider what we 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:14.760 know now when we're still learning. Yeah, was there any 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:18.120 moment in the Questlam show conversation that made you throw 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:20.320 on a song, hit pause and focus? 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:22.560 Okay, but on in Focus in the middle of that 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:24.560 and the middle of them talking about in Focus. I 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:27.200 put it on because I was like, there's a bunch 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:29.480 of songs on Blue Mindset that I know that album 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:31.560 front to back. I don't always know the names of 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:33.600 all the songs, so I was like, wait a minute, 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:35.639 what is in Focus? And what is this sort of 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:40.199 attitude that they're describing that's in that song. And as 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:42.159 soon as it became an R remember and I'm like, 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:49.760 this is the one where I remember PAS talking about 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:53.000 people acting like they don't know Dayla soul anymore because 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:58.000 Black Sheep is hot now. And I remember viscerally taking 0:20:58.000 --> 0:20:59.639 that in when I was listening to it when I 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:03.359 was young, and I just I loved even I just 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:05.919 love the sort of MC that would put that in 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:09.159 the song. Yeah, Like I love that because it's not 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:12.520 a course, it's not a disc to the person he's 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:15.399 in a crew with it's sort of this. It is 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:20.199