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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks.

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Speaker 2: It is Monday, February sixteenth, and Michael Jordan won the

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Speaker 2: Daytona five hundred yesterday as a team owner and immediately

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Speaker 2: went viral for his celebration with the six year old

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Speaker 2: son of the driver who won. And with that, welcome

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Speaker 2: to this bizarre episode of Amy and TJ. Michael Jordan

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Speaker 2: was trending this morning.

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Speaker 1: Robes.

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Speaker 2: I knew he had won the Daytona five hundred. Big deal, right,

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Speaker 2: This's the greatest school player in history winning championships in NASCAR.

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Speaker 2: But that's not why he was going viral, Robes. This

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Speaker 2: is a interesting story, I should say.

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Speaker 3: Yes, if you read some of the headlines, they're basically

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Speaker 3: taking some of the comments that people are making to

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Speaker 3: this video that went viral that shows Michael Jordan celebrating

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Speaker 3: and is standing right behind the sun. Like you said,

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Speaker 3: the six year old son of Tyler Redick Bo Reddick. They,

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Speaker 3: by the way we should mention, seemingly have been to

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Speaker 3: like hanging out for years now. He's familiar with this family,

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Speaker 3: so there's a closeness to them. But when you see

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Speaker 3: the video of Michael Jordan, he looks like he is

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Speaker 3: pinching the butt or pulling the shirt of Bo Reddick

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Speaker 3: in several motions and then scratches his leg. But it

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Speaker 3: looks weird when you're watching it. It looks maybe, dare

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Speaker 3: I say, possibly inappropriate.

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Speaker 2: Folks are using the word inappropriate. They are using all

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Speaker 2: kinds of words about saying, now, Michael Jordan has is

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Speaker 2: on camera inappropriately interacting and touching a six year old boy.

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Speaker 2: That is a big deal to make a statement like that.

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Speaker 2: But the video is there. But the thing is, please

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Speaker 2: please repast headlines, and I hope you repass the headline

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Speaker 2: of this episode, and I hope you don't. Just listen

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Speaker 2: to us. Go and listen. It's everywhere you can watch it.

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Speaker 2: But another one of these cases ropes with as a

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Speaker 2: video we all see and people interpret it differently. People

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Speaker 2: are interpreting it, interpreting it differently. If I had seen this,

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Speaker 2: I told you out of context of the headlines, I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure what type of alarm bels it would have

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Speaker 2: set off for me.

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Speaker 1: What about you?

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Speaker 3: I just would have said, that's weird, it's bizarre and

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Speaker 3: it seems strange. I don't know if it's I don't

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Speaker 3: know if it's inappropriate. I don't know the relationship Michael

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Speaker 3: Jordan has with this family and with this kid in particular.

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Speaker 3: But I do think that sadly, in this day and age,

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Speaker 3: when you have a grown man touching a child that

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Speaker 3: isn't their own below the belt in any way, even

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Speaker 3: if it's just in jest or teasing, or if it's

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Speaker 3: an absolutely innocent gesture, it can be viewed as inappropriate

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Speaker 3: and wrong.

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Speaker 2: Even so, we haven't heard, we should say, I haven't

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Speaker 2: heard at least of this recording from Michael or his

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Speaker 2: team or anyone to comment on this. And I don't

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Speaker 2: know if we even will or if we need to robes,

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Speaker 2: but you have up and we're just gonna give you

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Speaker 2: an idea of the reaction. Of course, it's social media

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Speaker 2: for the most part, but some of the things are

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Speaker 2: you know, it seems like typical social media. I'm not

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Speaker 2: I haven't read one yet that maybe go hmmm, I

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Speaker 2: didn't think about it that way.

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Speaker 3: So there is one that I read that made me

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Speaker 3: don't think that it's true. So the ones that you're

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Speaker 3: gonna see that are gonna pop up. Mj ruined his

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Speaker 3: entire legacy in twenty three seconds.

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Speaker 1: Somebody put that in a headline.

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Speaker 4: Someone put that in a headline.

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Speaker 2: And all they did was plucked a comment. They go through,

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Speaker 2: they find the worst comment somebody made about a story

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Speaker 2: in quotation marks, and that gives them a pass. But

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Speaker 2: so don't believe a lot of the headlines you will read.

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Speaker 1: But the video is out there.

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Speaker 4: Correct.

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Speaker 3: So some folks say NBA legend Michael Jordan bizarrely tugs

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Speaker 1: Bizarrely tugs.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I think that's fair.

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Speaker 3: Why was Michael Jordan acting like Joe Biden with a

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Speaker 3: There have been some other they made It's not okay,

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Speaker 3: ran with it. Mj What are you doing? Dog? What

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Speaker 3: is Michael Jordan doing? Here's the one that made it.

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Speaker 3: I would have to go back and look again. But

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Speaker 3: it didn't seem as though the child was uncomfortable. Because

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Speaker 3: many people have said that ice from celebration from the

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Speaker 4: Boreddick's shirt, So it was practical.

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Speaker 1: Even there, people.

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Speaker 3: Were saying, in defense of Michael Jordan, it looks like

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Speaker 3: he's getting ice that was stuck out of the little

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Speaker 3: boy didn't seem like he was uncomfortable and needed help

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Speaker 3: getting ice out of the back of a shirt, which

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Speaker 3: anyone who has had ice down their shirt knows you're

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Speaker 3: immediately trying to pull it.

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Speaker 1: Out, so react like that.

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Speaker 4: So I think that's a viable excuse.

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Speaker 3: But some people have tried to suggest that that might

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Speaker 2: Okay, your first look at it, you're gonna say that's weird.

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Speaker 2: Your second look at it, you're gonna have the headlines

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Speaker 2: time you look at it the third time, you're gonna go,

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Speaker 2: wait a minute, maybe he's just tugging at the shirt,

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Speaker 2: and then you'll see, oh, he's probably just being playful

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Speaker 2: with a kid he knows, and that's what we need

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Speaker 2: to go I suppose next robes is because Tyler Reddick

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Speaker 2: has been driving for years for Michael Jordan's racing team.

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Speaker 2: He has known this kid. He's seen this kid grow

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Speaker 2: up a little bit, you could argue. And there are

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Speaker 2: other videos out here of him celebrating with this kid

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Speaker 2: clearly is comfortable and knows Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 3: Yes, even though he might not know Michael Jordan the

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Speaker 3: way we all know Michael Jordan, because he's known him

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Speaker 3: probably his whole life as just you know, a friend,

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Speaker 3: right exactly. But I also think it's important were talking

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Speaker 4: He has five children, so this is a man who's

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're grown children now, but he's got three

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Speaker 4: I do think we.

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Speaker 3: Have to absolutely take all of that into consideration when

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Speaker 1: I do think that's important.

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Speaker 2: You even said before we started here, you said, look,

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Speaker 2: or something might appear differently. Again, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: look we're bringing up that this is out there, but

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Speaker 2: I from where I sit, didn't feel like Michael Jordan

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Speaker 2: or we need answers. I don't know his relationship with

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Speaker 2: okay and who should be touching what kid? No, because

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Speaker 2: we all understand if that's my kid or if that's

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Speaker 3: To this day, I told something, they get annoyed by it,

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Speaker 3: and maybe it is inappropriate for me as their mother,

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Speaker 3: But sometimes I just see them as these cute little

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Speaker 3: babies and I still pinch them. I have grabbed their

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Speaker 4: That, but it's just they're so cute, you just wanna

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Speaker 4: It's just a way.

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Speaker 3: It's it's a it's a way to basically, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: just connect with your kids in a cute, maternal way,

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Speaker 3: paternal way, whatever you want to call it. But it

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Speaker 3: is a sign of the times, because yeah, we're at

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Speaker 3: a place in society where teachers can no longer hug

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Speaker 3: their students. You know, when we were growing up that

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Speaker 3: was perfectly acceptable. You cannot physically touch a child, period

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Speaker 2: About teachers and all that stuff is right. But also,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you can give whatever adult license to do

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Speaker 2: whatever with your child if you want to. Now, if

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Speaker 2: you can view it that way. But if bo Reddgg's

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Speaker 2: adult or that adult, I got nothing to say about it. Hell, Robed,

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Speaker 2: you brought up what we used to do back in

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Speaker 2: like my parents allowed that. They come home from work

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Speaker 4: Exactly?

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Speaker 3: I mean no? When I was in elementary school and

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Speaker 3: it was a Catholic school, but my brother got spankings

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Speaker 3: you do? Same exact thing.

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Speaker 2: Isn't this just a bottom line of us viewing something

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Speaker 2: without the proper context of the relationship. Yes, And isn't

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Speaker 2: it possible and maybe even likely? There was nothing to

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Speaker 2: it possible? Robes that we see and people want to think, say,

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Speaker 2: he's pinching his butt, he looks like he's also just

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Speaker 4: So it's funny you say that.

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Speaker 3: I definitely at first thought he was grabbing his butt,

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Speaker 3: which I also was like, eh, I do that to my.

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Speaker 1: Kids, and we say grabbing it, pinching is pitching.

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Speaker 4: Grabbing sounds sexual.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't.

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Speaker 3: It was just pinching, playfully pinching his butt in celebration succession,

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Speaker 3: like the way you would do it playfully.

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Speaker 2: You're pulling it something almost yet, But when.

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Speaker 4: You said grabbing the shirt or I was like, oh,

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Speaker 4: it could be that too. You can't.

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Speaker 3: I cannot tell whether or not he's got a little

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Speaker 3: or if it's just the shirt.

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Speaker 4: I can't tell an either way.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't think that I would have jumped

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Speaker 2: I just that's where my head was. And the lines

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Speaker 3: Swatting them on the back. Pension is whatever. No one

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Speaker 2: But stay here, because Robes, you just brought up something

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Speaker 4: It would be completely gone.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now everybody is probably gonna be able to remember.

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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan is this song is playing, is on a

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Speaker 2: No, no, it's it's set up in a way to

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Speaker 3: Maybe someone should find that video of that game, put

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Speaker 3: it up side by side and say, y'all are crazy

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Speaker 4: Right, I haven't seen it, because that's really interesting.

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Speaker 2: that commercial. Oh I forgot about that one. It's just

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Speaker 3: Know, and the kid doesn't even flinch. Like That's another thing.

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Speaker 4: In real time.

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Speaker 3: Bo Reddick doesn't even badenn eyelash, like, he doesn't.

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Speaker 3: I think that's why Michael Jordan kind of brushed the

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Speaker 4: He wasn't getting his attention.

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Speaker 1: He was ignoring Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 3: I was like, clearly, the six year old does not

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Speaker 4: The rest of us would have like one touch. Oh

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Speaker 1: You don't remember that.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, that is so funny.

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Speaker 2: This is the most iconic commercial, maybe of his entire career,

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Speaker 3: Let me see, Oh, it's the exact same age as

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Speaker 3: Bo Riddick, Like he's like Reddick, He's like six years.

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Speaker 2: it is one of the most I first think, Pop,

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Speaker 4: Hell did you remember that? I don't know how do

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Speaker 3: When was that commercial era? Who knows the fact that

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Speaker 1: It says nineteen ninety two.

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Speaker 4: Your brain again should be studied.

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Speaker 2: It does weird things, but I oh swear, but just

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Speaker 4: In a commercial put that up in sad.

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Speaker 3: Oh, look y'all are making, you know, a big deal

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Speaker 4: Probably years and celebrated for right.

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Speaker 3: And I wouldn't be surprised if he kids or even

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Speaker 2: They shouldn't comment on it because they different, But folk

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Speaker 1: Strangely, but rogues.

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Speaker 2: We all have different relationships with kids, And you've even

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Speaker 3: And we hadn't heard anything from the Redicks, and if

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Speaker 2: Of Michael Jordan's all right, well, folks, we appreciate you,

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Speaker 2: as always spending some time here with us.

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Speaker 1: My dear Amy Robock, I'm TJ. Holms. Thunk yell soon