1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Sweet sixteen anything but chalk this year, as 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: the sum of the seeds of the teams in the 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: Sweet sixteen is ninety four. That's the highest in any 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: NC Double A tournament seeding since it was introduced back 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy nine, first Sweet sixteen featuring four teams 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: seed at eleventh or worse. I always have a problem, 8 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: is it eleventh or is it a higher seed? Is 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: a lower seed? Like if you're a lower seed, are 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: you a three? If you're a higher seed, are you're eleven? 11 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: Or I would think you'd aspire to be a higher 12 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: seed in life. Higher it would be better. Lower would 13 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: be a bad thing. But the lower the number, the 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: higher the seed. So Michigan's a low seed, a lower 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: seed because they're number one. They have a low number, 16 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: but they're a higher seed. But that sounds like a 17 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: negative Like if your test results are negative, that's a 18 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: fantastic thing. Right, Well, you have a four seeded teams 19 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: eleventh or worse? Ucl UCLA eleven, Syracuse eleven, Oregon State twelve, 20 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: and Oral roberts A fifteen. Do you guys have problems 21 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: without a higher seed a lower seed. Yes, time, I 22 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: always found that confusing. There's got to be a better 23 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: way to refer to it. When I see a number 24 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: of one or three and that's called a higher seed, 25 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: I think higher a higher number on like the number 26 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: line that a higher seed would be like a twelve 27 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: because it's a higher number on the spectrum of numbers. 28 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: So I don't know if I cleared that much. That 29 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 1: doesn't clear up anything thing. No, no, it doesn't. They 30 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: should come up with something higher seed being one and 31 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: lower seed being twelve when it's an actual higher number 32 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: itself is bad. Let me Wow, you know does you 33 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: call it better seeds than worst seed? That? See? That's 34 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: on me. I should never have gone to you. I 35 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: should have gone to this smart guy you know, I 36 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: complicate it, who didn't cheat off his neighbors paper. Wow, 37 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: so I got cheated off? Yeah. I find this as 38 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: confused as you guys, although I don't want to dive 39 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: into it because I'll sound dumb like Todd if you 40 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: talk about it, don't make any sense. Give me your 41 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: best guess here. Well, if you're the higher seed, you're 42 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: the underdog. Yes, but it sounds weird to be a 43 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: higher seed. You never want to get lower on the mountain. 44 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: As a mountain climber, you don't go let's get low. 45 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: You want to go higher. You aspire for heights. But 46 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: the higher seed is the lower number. Yes, right, So 47 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: if you're a low seed, if you're a low seed, 48 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: you have a higher number. Number right. I think it's 49 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: exact opposite. No, oh, I really until this moment, I 50 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: believe that the favorites are the high seeds than to 51 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: have the low number. And then there was one Michigan. 52 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: They have a high seed but a low number. They 53 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: held on to bat LSU last night. The Big ten 54 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 1: is still alive in the NCAA tournament. The conference came 55 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: in with high hopes. She had nine teams. You had 56 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: two number one seats. You had Illinois, Michigan, two number 57 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: two seeds. I went to Ohio State. They're gone except 58 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: for the Wolverines disappointing run. The tournament is in Indianapolis, 59 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: so it's not exactly a home game because Indiana is 60 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: not in it. But this is Big ten country and 61 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: these teams have no excuses. A Big ten team hasn't 62 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: won at all since two thousand. Tom Izzo and mtem 63 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: Cleaves at Michigan State. That's the last time the Big 64 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: Ten won the national championship. That doesn't mean they haven't 65 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: been closed because the conference has had a team in 66 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: the final game seven times, but they've come up short 67 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: every time. We'll see if the Wolverines can snap that drought. 68 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: But so far this tournament has had a lot of 69 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: Big Ten fans wondering how long is it until the 70 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: football season starts? Yes, mclovin, I have a Paul question, 71 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: super mean WHOA if you're in Michigan, you're still at it. 72 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: Would you rather win the NBA? I mean the college 73 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: basketball title this year, or beat Ohio State of Football 74 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: next year, a regular season Ohio State game, or the 75 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: NCAA anytime. I would hope they would pick a national championship. 76 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: But knowing this rivalry and what has happened recently, well 77 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: not so recently, it's a habit a pattern here that 78 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: they lose to Ohio State. If you're asking the question 79 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: in March. If you're asking it in November, then that 80 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: might be different here. I'm gonna guess, although I can't 81 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: speak for those in Michigan, they would want to see 82 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: them beat Ohio State I think that's the right an. 83 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: I'm guessing because I'm gonna take this as an Ohio native. 84 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: If you said Ohio State had lost the last fifteen 85 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: years to Michigan and football, but you had a chance 86 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: to win the national championship in basketball, knowing how Ohioans 87 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: would feel they would want to beat Michigan in football. Yes, 88 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: And I'm sorry just because I don't I don't remember 89 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: which has happened more recently, Michigan won the national title 90 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: in basketball or beaten Ohio State football. I just can't 91 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: remember back that far. Uh. Oh, it's a shot shots 92 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: fired early here. I've been waiting since nineteen eighty nine 93 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: to take that shot. Like actually, correct, we're seven minutes 94 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: in shots fired, Yes, PAULI, I think Alabama fans would 95 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: rather watch the like spring football game than their team 96 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: in the national title game. It is weird. There are 97 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: certain programs where you go Oregon football program. You look 98 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: at Florida State used to be a football program, but 99 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: they've been They've been pretty good in basketball. Um Alabama, Arkansas. 100 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: You normally associate these schools at least play football. Arkansas 101 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: hasn't played football well, but we think of Arkansas you 102 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: go back to Nolan Richardson forty minutes A hell. But 103 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: you got some football programs who were here in the 104 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: you know sweet sixteen. Yea, what is University of Houston 105 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: because they have a football history, but they had five 106 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: slam a Jama. I feel like they're a football school too. 107 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if they're either. They had David Klingler, 108 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: oh yeah, and Andre ware Case Keenum. Yeah, I mean 109 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: it's a j it's a football state. But but I 110 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: remember Joe Montana beat them in the Cotton Bowl, right, 111 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: they were really good when I was really young, as 112 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: I recall. Yeah, I don't know how good they were 113 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: back then. They were in the Cotton Bowl against Notre Dame. 114 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: But but do you view schools that don't have a 115 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: football team a little differently? I seek god Zaga and 116 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: Creighton as like, oh those are I can't take. You 117 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: always gonna be a football I always going to be okay, Yeah, 118 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: I know, I'm sorry to bring that big bag, but 119 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: you're always You're never gonna be like a blue blood 120 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: if you don't have or maybe I'm wrong. I like 121 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: how you came with a strong opinion. Duke doesn't really 122 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: have a football team man Kentucky. There's certain programs that 123 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: you don't think of their football teams. Yes, and then 124 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: there's anomaly schools in the South or kind of South, 125 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: like Duke which is a basketball school, Kentucky which is 126 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: a basketball school. Lately, they've had some pretty decent football 127 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: and Duke in Kentucky, but it feels like, you know, 128 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: if Kentucky football goes six and five, that's a nice year. 129 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: But they're doing better. Duke football is respectable now and 130 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: it's not just anomaly. We'll come up with a poll question. 131 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: Say good morning to our TV partner Peacock All three 132 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: hours you can watch, download the app you can watch 133 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: for free, and also a great radio affiliates around the country. Macleven, 134 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: you got a poll question for me? Yeah, the other 135 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: one I was going to throw out, what's the storyline 136 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: that has you most paying attention to the Okay, let 137 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: me let me see. Let me let me see if 138 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: I can guess what your poll question options are. The 139 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: surprise of the PAC twelve, Ye, the disappointment of the 140 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: Big ten. Well, are you gonna file that from here 141 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: on out? Oh? I didn't put it in, but that 142 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: is a big short. Well, I thought you were talking 143 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: about like today, what is the storyline? Okay, that's a 144 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: better question, yep, okay, big ten. Um, Gonzaga is still undefeated. Yes, 145 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 1: Gonzaga's getting a lot of attention. Um, it would be 146 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: another great story line. Which Cinderella are you rooting for? 147 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: Like you got a lot of Cinderellas, don't you well this? 148 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: You know they're like lower seeds, but it's like a 149 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: Syracuse they higher seeds. I don't oh no. I started 150 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: like it's like Oral Roberts, they're big. But then the Cinderella. Yeah, okay, 151 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: but you look at Oregon State like Syracuse isn't Cinderella 152 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: story like UCLA is at eleven Tea. But they're the 153 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: ultimate non Cinderella. Yeah, and loyal. It can no longer 154 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: be a Cinderella because they were in it a couple 155 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: of years ago. They're kind of in this no man's 156 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: land of being lovable and cute, but they're they've been 157 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:19,719 Speaker 1: there sort of like Gonzaga used to be. Right, one 158 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: more storyline as far as stars and I'm late to 159 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: the party, but that mobile kid on us. I tried 160 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: to tell you during the regular seas. You know, you 161 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 1: kept talking about it, But watch USC basketball and his 162 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: dad is an assistant coach on the team. It's convenient. 163 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: What a coincidence. This has happened before. It's totally legal 164 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: that you hire you. Alan Houston's dad got hired at 165 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: Tennessee to be an assistant coach and the day one 166 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: day later, Sun commits to Tennessee. Yeah, and then Alan 167 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: goes to the NBA and then his dad, uh doesn't 168 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: have his job anymore. This this has happened a few 169 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: times where somebody gets hired and with and they bring 170 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: people with them. Yes, mclovin. I mean, if you're at 171 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: USC fan, like is this tournament not? It's important because 172 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: you have three more years of Evan Mobley there. Just 173 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 1: I mean that guy had I was watching the last 174 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: ye I'm like, oh, that guy's at the NBA as 175 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: soon as and then Missouri had Michael Porter's senior. He 176 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: was the father of Michael Porter junior, and then uh, 177 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: they also had another brother who went to Missouri as well. 178 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: Larry Brown when he was at Kansas hired Ed Manning 179 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: and then Danny Manning went to Kansas. What would be 180 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: great if some coach hired the dad and then at 181 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:39,599 Speaker 1: the last minute, the sun goes Noah, I'm gonna go 182 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: to Duke. I'm gonna go somewhere. Well, it sort of 183 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: happened at LaSalle with Kobe's dad, Joe got hired as 184 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: an assistant, and then Kobe of course went to the pros. 185 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: I don't think Kobe was going to LaSalle if I 186 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: think he was going to Duke. I don't think he 187 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: was going to go to LaSalle just because his dad 188 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: was there. But his dad got hired at LaSalle. I 189 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: think he was doing a favorite of the program to recruit. 190 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: Kobe said, LSU was a second choice. You're not buying that, right, 191 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: That was just a nice thing to say. Well, it's 192 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: like a distant second. Yeah, it was the NBA, and 193 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: then maybe it was Duke and then lets out. But 194 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: the one that always got me Michael Beasley at Kansas State. 195 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: How he ended up out there? Kansas State got a 196 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: couple of kids, and you go, huh, how did that happen? 197 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: But it did. So I was out Kansas Out, Oregon, Gonzaga, 198 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: u C L, a, USC, Creighton, Michigan, Florida State, Bama Advance. 199 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. 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I 218 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: think we already did mclovin, because I'll ask Dockage that 219 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: you know he's there in Big ten country in Indiana. Michigan. Question, 220 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: if you're a Michigan fan, would you rather win the 221 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: NTA basketball title this year or beat Ohio stateum football 222 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: next year? I said it from an Ohio perspective in 223 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: Ohio and that I would rather beat Michigan in football 224 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: if I had lost. Okay, understand this. Michigan is beat 225 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: Ohio State twice in the last eighteen years the day 226 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: that best out of the day stat of the day? 227 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: Here comes that? What stat of the day? And do 228 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: we know the average margin of victory for Ohio State 229 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: in those games? Okay, all right, let me bring in 230 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: Docket ESPN college basketball analyst hosts of the Dan Docket 231 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: Show on the fan in Indianapolis. Let me start there. 232 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: Do you think Michigan would rather win the national championship 233 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: in basketball or beat Ohio State this November in football? Dan, look, 234 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: Ayo's son that went to Michigan. I paid a lot 235 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: of money to Michigan. There's no look. A national championship 236 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: is a banner that's hanging. There's no doubt winning a 237 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: national championship in football. I mean, Dan, I realize Ohio 238 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: State can't excuse me, Michigan can't remember the last time 239 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: they'd beat Ohio State in football, But come on, there's 240 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: bad for winning a national championship. That's forever Nobody five 241 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: years from now, nobody remembers the score of the Ohio 242 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: State Michigan game. Come on, it feels like it's it's 243 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 1: a story for a week when you win a national championship, 244 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: but the bragging rights of beating Ohio State in football. 245 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: You're a basketball guy. You're in Indiana. What do you 246 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: know about football? Hey, I know from football, Pal, I 247 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: know from football. Tom Allen in Indiana, we're rolling. You're 248 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: better than Michigan, and you are? You are all right? 249 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: What's the big storyline you take away so far from 250 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: that march madness? Dan, I take away a couple of things. 251 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: I take away the Big Ten, Big Ten losing eight 252 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: of nine and doing it badly. You know, I've always 253 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: said the Big Ten. And I don't know if you 254 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: agree with this or not, but coaches will tell you, man, 255 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: the Big Ten's best coach league, Big ten's best scouted league. Yeah, 256 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: tell you. There's some bad coaching in this tournament, in 257 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: the Big Ten. And I hate to say it because 258 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: most of these guys are my friends. And I'm watching 259 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: Purdue go down, can't make a shot and they got 260 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: their two best shooters on the sideline. I'm watching Edie, 261 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: who played great, not even get off the bench. I'm 262 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: watching Michigan State go down and they got their two 263 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: best shooters on the sideline and Houser and Gabe Brown. 264 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: I'm watching Illinois. I'm at the Illinois game the other day, 265 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: big d and they don't adjust. My brother, who is 266 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: an attorney, He's like, why aren't they pressing? Why aren't 267 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: they doing something? I said, watched they will in the 268 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: last three to five minutes they did. It didn't matter. Look, 269 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: I think the Big ten Iowa didn't guard all year. 270 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: Iowa looked incredibly slow. I thought the Big ten looked 271 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: incredibly slow. I take that away, and I take that. 272 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: You know what, Dan? The other thing, defense wins a 273 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: little bit, Like you know, I'm watching and I know 274 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: they were way overmatched. Abilene Christian was way overmatched against Texas. Dan, 275 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: would you agree with this? Can I ask you a question? Yeah? 276 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: You watch basketball. You learn at the feet of me 277 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: when I do games. I get that, Dan. Yeah, Um, 278 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: you ever seen a more overmatched team physically than Abilene 279 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: Christian and Texas and that team wins the games wins 280 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: the game. You ever seen a more overmatched physically team? 281 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: I probably have, but uh, just just the recent memory 282 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: of seeing that was pretty stunning. It was so I 283 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: do I think you know you're hearing the Big Ten. 284 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: You got nine teams in, you got one left, and 285 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: they all failed miserable, like didn't lose to Gonzaga in 286 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: the tournament. The Big Ten is I think the biggest 287 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: story around here. And then if you look like loyal, 288 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: it is not a Cinderella story. Oh, Syracuse is in 289 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: a Cinderella story? No, Oral Roberts is a Cinderella story? 290 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: Is Oregon State a Cinderella story? Is UCLA a Cinderella story? Dan, 291 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: we're old enough. I don't care what happens with UCLA. 292 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: That's not I know it does sound strange to say 293 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: that with UCLA, but I mean, I mean recent history though, 294 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: I mean Cronan has done a really nice job in 295 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: there is USC and Cinderella's story. Now, I think USC 296 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: is a redemption story. I think you know, when you 297 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: looked at USC, all you've seen is you know, involvement. 298 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: If you've really paid attention in that trial, their name 299 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: came up a lot. Tony Bland's name came up a lot. 300 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: I think it's a redemption story. I think Oregon State's 301 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: a great story. I think, you know, Wayne Tinkle has 302 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: got you know, he had his son was a good, 303 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: really good player. You know he's gone. All of a sudden, 304 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: they catch fire and that's obviously Dan as you and 305 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: I both know that's one of the great things about 306 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: the tournament, as you can catch fire. And I think 307 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: it's a great story. I think UCLA is a story 308 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: of what should be, like UCLA should be there. And 309 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: I think mccronan I was talking to Michael Lewis, their assistant, 310 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: and that's all they talk about, like, look at these banners. 311 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: This is what we should be, this is who we 312 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: should be Dan. So I think they're all great stories 313 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: in different ways. I mentioned the Mobilis story at USC. 314 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: This has happened before many times down through the years, 315 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: where you hire somebody, if the dad, and then you're 316 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: able to bring in players and it's totally above board. Correct. Yeah. Yeah, 317 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: I mean, hey, look you go back. I mean, whether 318 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: it's a high school killed Bob Knight back in seventy six, 319 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: I mean you'll remember the names John Laskowski and Tom 320 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: Abert after he hired their high school coach, Bob Donald 321 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: wal Now, I don't know we hired them to get 322 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: those two guys, But this has been going Ted Owens 323 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: did it at Kansas for years. Danny Manning, Now, it's 324 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 1: been going on for years. You know, I never presume 325 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: because Dan I was in this for twenty some years 326 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: in coaching. And look, everybody said, everybody tells me that 327 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: everybody cheats, right, everything that happens, well, they cheat. I 328 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: don't know that anybody. I've never had anybody come up 329 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: to me and say, hey, coach, they just gave me 330 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars. I've never had that. So look, you 331 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: hire guys, Dad, you got the players you want, and 332 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: the way you go it doesn't have to nefarious. Yeah, 333 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: And I just said that, like Ed Manning got hired, 334 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: Danny Manning went there. We saw that with Michael Porter senior, 335 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: Michael Porter Junior going to Missouri, like this has happened 336 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: down through the years. I think people are just being 337 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 1: reintroduced to it. When you know mobile, the mobile's go 338 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: there to USC and their dads on the staff. Yeah, 339 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: and you know we forget the pass so quickly, right, 340 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: and the other thing is, here's the one thing, man, Dan. 341 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 1: When you were in college and I was in college, 342 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: you had in three assistant coaches, maybe a fourth guy 343 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: was a volunteer. Now you look at those benches, then 344 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: there's eight hundred dudes. I mean, so you know what 345 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: job you hired them for? I don't know. And I'm 346 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: not just talking about this situation. I'm talking about other situations. 347 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: You know, one job, there's so many jobs on a bench. Now, look, 348 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: they hired them, they're smart, they're in the sweet sixteen. 349 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. At Indiana right now, we'd 350 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: love to have the dad of somebody on the sideline 351 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: of being sweet. You're kidding me. So who's getting the 352 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: Indiana job? I don't know who will get it and 353 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: who should get it? Are those two different questions? Alfred 354 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: should get the job my opinion? You're asking me? Yeah, okay, 355 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: you're not asking a regular fan. I've watched Indiana DAN 356 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: for twenty one years since Bob Knight, and the program 357 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: is in no better shape. Look, I know everybody, Well, 358 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: Bob Knight hit a player. Yeah, well, Calvin Sampson got 359 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: us on probation. Yeah, well, there was eight million drug 360 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: tests or failed drug tests. Yeah, well they have it 361 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: one close. The graduation rate isn't any higher. Donors aren't 362 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: The basketball is awful. And every time I look in 363 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: Assembly Hall and I go into Assembly Hall and I 364 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: see statues, you know where they're from the Bob Knight era. 365 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: I've had enough personally. I've had enough personally of the 366 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: hot guy Dan. Swear to god. I called Fred Glass 367 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: the a D when they hire Archie Miller, and I said, 368 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: you just made the worst hire you could possibly make. 369 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: I said, you are making us like everybody else. And frankly, 370 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: Indiana is like everybody else, nobody. Not a lot of 371 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: great teams, not a lot of How do you mean that, though? 372 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: How do I mean one that year like everybody else. Well, 373 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: here's what I'm saying. There's not a lot of great teams, 374 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,239 Speaker 1: and there's not a lot of awful teams. There's a 375 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: ton of teams right in the middle. We have no 376 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: a Dan for twenty one years. I thought Tom did 377 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: a really good job creen of bringing us out. But 378 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: we have no identity. What's Indiana basketball about? Is it shooting? No? 379 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: Is it defense? No? Is it tough play? No? It's 380 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: just another team and for a guy like me Dan 381 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: that spent seventeen years there, Like I gotta get a 382 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: hit replacement because of a hit I took. I gotta 383 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: get a knee replacement. I got a bad neck. I 384 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: want to see an Indiana guy in there. I want 385 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 1: somebody that can bring back Indiana basketball's pride. I want 386 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: to see somebody that can galvanize a fan base. And frankly, 387 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: the only guy that I see that can do that 388 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: is offered it that the hot guy just won a 389 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: game and goes to the Sweet sixteen. You know what's 390 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: Archie Miller. But as you know, everybody wins a date. 391 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: Everybody wins a date. So I'm tired of the hot 392 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: guy here. I'll support him. Hey, look, I got a 393 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: radio show. I'll do everything for the guy. But I'm 394 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: tired of the hot guy. I'm tired of the Calvin 395 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: Sampson comes in for crying out. Loud was on probation 396 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: when Indiana hired on probation in Indiana. Hires him in Indiana. 397 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: Then you get a guy, well, he went to the 398 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: Final four with Dwayne Wade. Great and Tom did a 399 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: really good job. Then you get a guy, well, he 400 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: went to the elite eight who cares. You either can 401 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: know Indiana understand it's a different job, or you can't. 402 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: And to this point in my life, in my way 403 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: of thinking, it's been twenty one years of the hot guy, 404 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: the outside guy. How's that worked out for us Indiana? 405 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: Not very good. He's Dan Doc at ESPN college basketball 406 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: analyst and has his own show, The Fan in Indianapolis. 407 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: We had Rick Pettino on last week and I asked 408 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: him if this was his final stop and he said yes, 409 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: and my danet said no, it's not his final stop. 410 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: I'm the one guy who said this is Patino's final stop. 411 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: All right, Doc, what side you on? Does Pettino does 412 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: have another job? I had Pettino on my show and 413 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: coach said, this is my final stop. And Dan, when 414 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: people tell me things, I listen real close. I'm I'm 415 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: in between, but I always say gun to head, gun 416 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: to head. I say this is his final stop. I'm 417 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: not sure though, but he said it. I believe that. 418 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 1: But Dan, let's think about this. Rick Pettino ending his 419 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: career at Iona. I like Iona. Ionah's great, the gaels, 420 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: Jeff Rulin yeay Ron go fight within. But he's gonna 421 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: end his career at IONA. I'm taking the coach at 422 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: his word, but I ain't betting on it. Let's put 423 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: it that way. Yeah, I hope he's found happiness after 424 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: what he went through and now he understands. You got 425 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: a job back, you got some respect back, you go 426 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: to the tournament. But egos, egos with you? Coaches? Man, Hey, Dan, 427 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,479 Speaker 1: can I ask you a question about Rick Pottino? Do 428 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: you think Rick Pettino's like resume is now as good, 429 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: if not better than any other than maybe you know, 430 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: Wooden and Sshevski. And here's why he leaves in disgrace. 431 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: He goes out to Greece and wins two championships. Like 432 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: that's hard to do, man, That's like people don't understand 433 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: the level of play. Then he comes back to this 434 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: school and guess what he takes into the tournament. I 435 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: would argue that these last two years have done nothing 436 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: but enhanced this man's resume to the point jumping a 437 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: lot of people, Dan, what do you think? I think 438 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: he's one of the top five coaches, and I'm talking 439 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 1: about NBA and college today. I think Patino is that good. Now, 440 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: he's not for everybody, a lot of stops, but the 441 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: man can coach a basketball game. If you were an 442 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: Indiana fan right now, would you want Rick Pettino. I 443 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: was going to ask you that question. Here's what I've said. 444 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: Give me Brad Stevens. You know I made this nice soliloqui. 445 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: If he's not coming, he's not okay, I know, I 446 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: know he's not all right, Give me Brad, Give me 447 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: Tony Bennett. He's turned the job down before. Or I 448 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: do a talk show in Indie. Having Rick Pottino in 449 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: Bloomington wouldn't be a band. It's all about content. It's 450 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: all a bit all about content. You sent me your 451 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: final four. I don't think your final four did too well, 452 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: didn't No, My final four stinks. I really thought going 453 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 1: into the tournament, Illinois was playing as well as anybody, 454 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: including Gonzaga. And Dan. I was at the Illinois game, 455 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: and I'm telling you Illinois didn't have a chance in 456 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: that game. Like they were not good enough. They didn't 457 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: move the ball. Dan, the difference between Loyal's movement in 458 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: Illinois was astounding. Dan. When here's the other thing. Okay, 459 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: you know that crowdwig kid right, you're down whatever they're 460 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: comfortable as hell. They just throw it to this guy. 461 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: He stands at the top of the key, surveys, looks around, says, oh, 462 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: what the hell am I gonna do. I'll throw it 463 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: to you. You'll get a lamb uh and the other thing. 464 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: And this is where Loyal is dangerous. They guard you 465 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: like they got Williamson and maybe if you know it 466 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: seems like every year a Duke player wins Defensive Player 467 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: of the Year. I think it's Defensive Player of the 468 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: Year sponsored by Duke. But the best defensive player is 469 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: this Williamson kid, Dan, he locks it up. Did the name? 470 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: Did they name the Defensive Player of the Year award 471 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,719 Speaker 1: after wo Steve Bogan? I think they did. Like all 472 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: you gotta do is slapped the floor. I think Illinois 473 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: slapped the floor three times against Loyal, and Loyal has 474 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: scored all three times when they slapped the floor. How 475 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: silly is that? You got a look, It's one thing 476 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: to slap the floor because that's what you are. It's 477 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: another thing to say, ah, hell, I think I'll slap 478 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: the floor, act like I'm played defense. Hey. Another thing, yeah, Dan, 479 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: When I look at Oral Roberts, Tom Moore, you know 480 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: the name Tom Moore, awesome assistant coach in the NFL, 481 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: Like should be in the Hall of Fame. Everybody says 482 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 1: yeah term Moore always says players not plays, like late 483 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 1: in the game, players not plays. These two guys always 484 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: say the guy's name from Absmus and o'banner. These two 485 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: dudes got fifty nine against Ohio State. Now, Ohio State 486 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: pretty good on the perimeter defense, and they got fifty nine. 487 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: They backed it up with fifty five. Dan, you and 488 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: I both know the name Harold Arshamball and a various 489 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: guys across the country over the years that just go nuts. 490 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: They got two guys that are falling. So yes or 491 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 1: Roberts is a damn uh. They are a Cinderella. But 492 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: when you got two guys that are going like that 493 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 1: against Florida against Ohio State, you gotta take them serious. 494 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: You gotta take them very serious. It's always great to 495 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: talk to you. You're the best. Thanks for the texts. Yeah, 496 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: well you're kind of lonely. Can I do a plug shameless? 497 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: Oh god? Okay that Saturday mornings, I do a show 498 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: of serious XM Radio four. It's combination basketball and Stern. 499 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. Wait, did you just call yourself unbelievable? I said, 500 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: the show's unbelievable. Yeah, it's unbelievable. Serious, gave you a job, 501 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: that's the unbelievable. And I saw your dog. You're just 502 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: a lonely man. You your brackets and an. I'm in 503 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: a basement, Dan, I'm in a basement with my eye 504 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: you member, Abelia, Sit here and dream of the day 505 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: I kicked Michael Jordan's ass. You know what I mean, Dan, 506 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: That's what I do all day. Did you name your 507 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: dog Night Alford? No, Damon Bailey. I named it Calbert. Uh. 508 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, budd, you too, Thanks for 509 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: having me. That's Dan Dock. He works at the mother 510 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: Ship and of course the Dan Docket Show on the 511 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: fan in Indianapolis. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick 512 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday 513 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,719 Speaker 1: morning nine until noon eastern six to nine Pacific on 514 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio, and you can find us on the 515 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream us live on the 516 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: Peacock app. ESPN Senior NBA insider host of the Wooje podcast. 517 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: You can catch wooch on ESPN and ABC's NBA Countdown, 518 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: and would joining us on the program would give me 519 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: the deal that you think has to happen Aaron Gordon, 520 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: I think in Orlando Dan, I think his I think 521 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: he's ready to move on. I think the team is 522 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: ready to get what they can get back for him. 523 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: So I think there's a I would be shocked really 524 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: at this point if he's not moved by Thursday's deadline, 525 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: and you know, there's a number of teams interested in him, 526 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: and you know, listen, they'll he'll go, They'll they'll probably 527 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: take it down to wire on Thursday and see what's 528 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: the best offer that they can find out there for him. 529 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: Is there a deal that could be made that might 530 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: change a bigger picture here with these uh these teams 531 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: come playoff time, you know, I listen, I don't there's 532 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: not a star star out in this marketplace this trade deadline, 533 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: but I think there's player who can impact contenders. I 534 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: think the two teams Toronto with Kyle Lowry and Orlando Um. 535 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: You know, again, we talked about Aaron Gordon, but I 536 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: think Toronto really is a team that may dictate this 537 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: deadline because Kyle Lowry and Norman Powell you know, are 538 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: two uh, you know, two good players that they have, 539 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: and uh, certainly I think if Kyle Lowry ends up 540 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: in a Philly or of Miami, you know that's certainly. 541 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if all of a sudden, Brooklyn thinks, hey, 542 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: you know, we're still not the best team in the East. Um, 543 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: but but that can be impactful. And that's gonna be 544 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,479 Speaker 1: guys like Lonzo Ball in New Orleans and um, you 545 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: know Victor Oladipo in Houston. Those are all players available 546 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: and you know who who who all may very well 547 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: move before Thursday. What do the Lakers do with ad 548 00:31:55,360 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: down and Lebron out? If anything, well, they wanted to 549 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: get certainly more size, they may not be able to 550 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: do it in the trade market. The buyout market might 551 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: be the place where obviously the Lakers can improve without 552 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: having to give anything up, because you know they may. 553 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: If you're gonna make a trade, you know you want 554 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: to be able to improve, and you can't always do 555 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: that when you're giving something up. So Andre Drummond in Cleveland, 556 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: if he ends up getting a buyout, if he's not 557 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: moved at the trade deadline, which I think it's unlikely 558 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: because of his contract and he gets into the buyout market, 559 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: he's certainly somebody who they are focused on and want 560 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: to bring in there. He'd become their starting center, and 561 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: so that that's going to be impactful. You're going to 562 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: see a lot of guys, I think, guys who don't 563 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: get traded in that buyout market. And you saw the 564 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: Clippers create another spot to be able to add a 565 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: player in the buyout market. They have two roster spots. 566 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: Brooklyn's going to continue to be active there, and you know, 567 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: so I think for the Lakers, though, listen, they just 568 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: need to get a d and Lebron healthy. And you 569 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: know that they're not going to fear in the first 570 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: round having to go on the road in the series. 571 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: They know they can beat anybody if they're healthy, and 572 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: so I think playoff position for them is less important. 573 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: They just have to get there. They're two best players 574 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: back healthy, and I mean, just imagine if you're if 575 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: you're the Jazz or you're the Sons, and you know 576 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: you have just this tremendous season. You're a two seat 577 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: or a three seat or the one seat, and all 578 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you show up in the playoffs in 579 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: Game one and there's a healthy Lebron in ad you know, 580 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: dribbling into the building. It's it's not ideal. Yeah, I 581 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: was wondering about that. Could this be a good thing 582 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: for the Lakers? From the standpoint of now Lebron is 583 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: forced to rest, Whereas it felt like he was hell 584 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: bent on resting because he wanted to shoot show the 585 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: rest of the league. He doesn't do load management and 586 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: he wants to win another MVP. Well, you know the 587 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: high ankle sprain. Listen, that's that's a tough injury and 588 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: it can linger. And so I don't know if it's 589 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: a good thing. I think though for the Lakers. You know, 590 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: their timelines can't change. Their timeline certainly can't change with 591 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: a D because Lebron's out, They can't and they won't 592 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: rush him back, but you can they listen, they can 593 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: lose a lot of ground in the West, and you 594 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: don't want to fall. It's going to be a climb 595 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: in the postseason. However they look at it, I mean, 596 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 1: they're not. They're They're going to be a team that's 597 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: probably gonna have to go on the road in the 598 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: first round and we'll see how listen to this there'll 599 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: be fans and buildings. It may not be what typically 600 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: it's like to go on the road in the postseason. 601 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: That may not be buildings that are full, but there'll 602 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: be some capacity, and I think that softens the blow 603 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: up having to go on the road in the postseason. 604 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think for Lebron, he's just always shown 605 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: an incredible capacity to heal, to play through injury, and 606 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: to just be able to come back quicker than others can. 607 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 1: But with this one, this is going to be a 608 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 1: few weeks. Kyrie leaves for three games. We know what's 609 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: going on. I know he said it's personal, but is 610 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: this something that will continue this season? Now? This um 611 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: the next This was an absence that they're fully on 612 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: board with and is just sort of the normal sort 613 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: of family thing. Is they said family matters. There's no 614 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: there's no backstory on this of hey, we're not They 615 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: knew what it was and it's not an issue. Can 616 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,439 Speaker 1: LaMelo Ball win the Rookie of the Year if he's 617 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: done for the rest of the season, it's a good question, 618 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: you know, has he played enough games? I think Anthony 619 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: Edwards is he's been so good in Minnesota and I 620 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: don't know how all the things people take into consideration 621 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: when they vote. I think certainly LaMelo improved that team. 622 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: That team played, you know, they were in the playoff 623 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: chase largely, or you know him and Gordon Hayward were 624 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: in that top eight in the Gordon Hayward in that 625 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: top eight in the East. But Edwards has played so 626 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,879 Speaker 1: well over the last few weeks, I think that he's 627 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: you know, listen, he could finish strong and steal it. 628 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: But but Lamello, I think the kind of rookie year 629 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: he had and the kind of just revelation he was 630 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: in the league, and for that franchise, I think it'll 631 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: probably still be closed. I don't think it's out of 632 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: the question he can win it. But I think Edwards 633 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: has come on strong enough that he's going to probably 634 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: have a case to be made just because of how 635 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: much more Hill played. By the time people are voting. 636 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: What would you tell anybody who thinks there's a chance, 637 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: or thought there was a chance Brad Stevens would leave 638 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: the Celtics for the Indiana Hoosiers. Joh, yeah, it's just 639 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: you know, you talk to coaches who've coached in both 640 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,280 Speaker 1: levels and there's nobody who would rather be in college 641 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: basketball than the NBA that that even now, Listen, there 642 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: are assistant coaches in the NBA who become college candidates 643 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,240 Speaker 1: largely because they're not sure if the NBA head coaching 644 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: is in their future or they could go back to 645 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: maybe they've been a head coach. And you know, a 646 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: couple of the guys interviewing for the Universe a Utah 647 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: job or NBA assistance. But anybody who's in the NBA 648 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 1: will only go back to college if they're forced to, 649 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: if they're not welcome in the NBA anymore. And Brad Stevens, 650 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: no matter how much money Indiana offers them. Listen, if 651 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: Brad Stevens somehow left the Celtics, if someday he gets 652 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: fired in Boston, and I think he's gonna be a 653 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: long time. He's not getting fired. He'll be a head 654 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,959 Speaker 1: coach somewhere else. Billy Donovan left Oklahoma City. It never 655 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: dawned on Billy Dunovan. Like Billy Dunovan could have any 656 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: college job he wanted. Somebody would fire their coach to 657 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: hire Billy Dunovan in college. Never done, he was. He's 658 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: an NBA coach now he goes to Chicago, he would 659 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: have had plenty of other offers. Bret Stevens will be 660 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: an NBA head coach as long as he wants to be. 661 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 1: It's just it's just not something anybody would choose to do. 662 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 1: And you know, Brad Stevens at Indiana, I know what Indiana. 663 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: They wanted to believe he'd come back. It's just not 664 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 1: an appealing compared to the NBA. It's just not an 665 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: appealing lifestyle. It's not an appeal. It's not an appealing 666 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 1: the recruiting, the portal, all the things that have changed 667 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: in college basketball, constantly having a retoil dot roster every year, 668 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: and people would prefer to be the NBA. I'm trying to, 669 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: you know, make out what Steve Kerr is bringing up. 670 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: He was on a podcast and he talked about and 671 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing here, and that's dangerous, but he was talking about, 672 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: you know, the enjoyment of a team that won fifteen 673 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: games in coaching them as opposed to that last year 674 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,879 Speaker 1: when Durant was there. Durant then commented saying, it's hilarious 675 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,359 Speaker 1: that he would think that, but I like how much 676 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: acrimony or drama was there that we really didn't know 677 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 1: about with the Warriors, that Kerr would say, you know, 678 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 1: I get to go back to just teaching, coaching college, 679 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: or you know, these players in the NBA even though 680 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: we're losing. Yeah, Dan, I didn't go back and listen 681 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: to that podcast, so I don't know the context of 682 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 1: what he was saying. So without knowing exactly the context 683 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,760 Speaker 1: of there was a broader point. I saw what Steve 684 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 1: said in this news conference last night, that it was 685 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: taken completely out of context. It was a difficult year. 686 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,320 Speaker 1: I think it was a difficult year for Kevin Durant, 687 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 1: for Steve Kerr. I think there was a lot of 688 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 1: tension around that team, and but whether it was more 689 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 1: enjoyable to coach a fifteen win team, I don't know 690 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: if that's what Steve said. Again, I didn't listen to 691 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,360 Speaker 1: the whole thing, but I do think it was pretty 692 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: well documented that you know, that was not the strongest 693 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: relationship within the organization. But I mean that's kind of true. 694 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: A lot of teams and a lot of players and coaches, 695 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, you're judged on 696 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: the results. They had incredible results with Durant and Steve 697 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: Kurt together and you I don't know. It felt like 698 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 1: Draymond Green was onto something early where he knew that 699 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 1: Kevin Durant was going to be leaving and wasn't you know, 700 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: one of the guys. But I mean, you had something there. 701 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 1: I don't know how sustainable it was going to be, 702 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: But when did it go wrong in Golden State? Listen, 703 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 1: I think that just Kevin went there at a time 704 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:41,359 Speaker 1: in his career where the Warriors allowed him to win 705 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: a championship, to win finals, MVP, he built sort of 706 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:50,919 Speaker 1: his off court business in Northern California, and then he 707 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: was ready for something else. He wanted to have a 708 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,759 Speaker 1: team that was his. He wanted to come east and 709 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 1: Brooklyn was attractive to him, and he wanted to play 710 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 1: with Kyrie and he got the chance to do that. 711 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,719 Speaker 1: I just think, I just think it's a different time 712 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: in the league where all of us would look and say, well, 713 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,479 Speaker 1: why wouldn't you just want to stay together? Why would 714 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 1: you want to just keep winning with that group? But 715 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 1: that's not the league anymore, and you have to maximize 716 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: these window of times when you have these teams together, 717 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: because not just not just in Golden State, but whether 718 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: it was in Miami or anywhere else. If it's the 719 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,799 Speaker 1: Brooklyn Nets, now, how long does that group want to 720 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: continue to play together if they win a title or 721 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 1: two titles. That's just the reality of the league. I 722 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 1: think the Warriors generally maximize that window. They might have 723 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 1: won a title in the last year if not for 724 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 1: the injuries, and but Toronto beat him. So I just 725 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 1: think it's not just a Golden State question. I think 726 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 1: it's it's a large, broader question for the whole league, 727 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 1: and it's it's a league of constant movement, and there's 728 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,360 Speaker 1: not always great staining power and in situation, and that's 729 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: that's the league down. I know things gonna get busy 730 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,880 Speaker 1: for you, wog. We appreciate you joining us as always, 731 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 1: and thank you, thank you Jin. That's Adrian Woerk, ESPN 732 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 1: Senior NBA Insider, host of the WOJE podcast. You can 733 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 1: catch woj on ESPN and ABC's NBA Countdown. 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