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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Frida Egg Podcast. I'm Garrett Morrison.

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Speaker 1: Today we're talking about golf in the Monterey, California area,

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Speaker 1: that with me is Brendan Porath. Brendan, how you do?

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Speaker 2: I'm great, Garrett, Thanks so much for having me excited

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Speaker 2: to talk about this today.

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Speaker 1: So the reason we're focusing on Monterey today is that

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Speaker 1: this week the US Women's Open will be held at

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Speaker 1: off just by talking about US Women's Open a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Talk about Pebble Beach. You know, as this tournament is approaching,

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Speaker 2: I think a prominent story and an obvious one is

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Speaker 2: or have entered, been, in this era of I think

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Speaker 2: venues taking on an increased emphasis in prominence, certainly from

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Speaker 2: Why has this not happened? But you're you're happy to

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Speaker 2: should have been playing in the cathedrals of American golf.

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Speaker 2: They should have been It shouldn't have taken until now.

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Speaker 2: There's been some you know, championships here, but not a

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Speaker 2: And I think it elevates the women's game in a

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Speaker 2: Of course, women's golf is a separate league and a

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Speaker 1: Absolutely and So there are two things that you know,

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Speaker 2: What did they bring it in? Are we talking about?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's similar to what you just described about what

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine if they brought in that mowing line

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Speaker 2: Right right. I Just like with the best players in

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Speaker 1: And we often hear from people who focus on data

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not sure where they would need

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Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, Brendon, let's take a quick break

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Speaker 1: we're back to talk about Monterey golf in general. I

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Speaker 1: has turned out. I did live there for a while

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Speaker 1: and fairly recently. This is is where I was living

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Speaker 1: the basic backstory for why I'm talking about golf in Monterey.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we could start by talking about public golf courses,

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Speaker 1: but I'll kind of maybe turn things over to you

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Speaker 1: a little bit Brendan and and hear you know what

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Speaker 1: the perspective of somebody who's you know, I think you've

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Speaker 2: I've been there, been there a few times. Obviously, was

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Speaker 1: to ask. Have you played like Pacific Grove or Poppy

431
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Speaker 1: Hills or any of the courses around there.

432
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Speaker 2: I walked Pacific Grove, I played played one course there

433
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 2: that you would like to play play, played the probably

434
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 2: the best one in the area. Oh yeah, that's right,

435
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 2: Very fortunate to do that.

436
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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course that might be considered the best course

437
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: in America. I think we're talking about.

438
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 2: But that's about it, I think. And I played Inland

439
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 2: at the Preserve one day, so that was that. I

440
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: had not played Pubble though. I guess I'm curious hearing

441
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 2: you talk about living there. It's a very unique part

442
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 2: of the country with unique clientele. Randomly quickly what's like

443
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Speaker 2: the what is like the for lack of a better term,

444
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 2: town gown relations between this giant resort that everyone wants

445
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 2: and people who actually lived there. I presume that people

446
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 2: who lived there, and I do like this is why

447
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: I think you are an expert. You can be the

448
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: self appointed expert because I think you look at it

449
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 2: through a realistic, critical lens. Probably a lot of people

450
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,479
Speaker 2: who live there are drinking the kool aid and you know,

451
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 2: and I'm not suggesting it's bad, but just objectively right,

452
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 2: you are obsessed with Pebble Beach if you lived there

453
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 2: and you think it's the greatest course that's ever been made,

454
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: or you know the I just think you bring an

455
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: objective lens to some of the drawbacks and certainly what

456
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: makes it so great. I'm curious what it's like being

457
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 2: a resident there and how you you know, this attraction

458
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Speaker 2: of this world famous course that's also kind of this

459
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: machine of a resort now.

460
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Speaker 1: And a lot of people in the area work for

461
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Speaker 1: the Pebble Beach Company, So that's another thing, like the

462
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: Pebble Beach Company is a huge employer in the area.

463
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: It's a funny little collection of towns out there, and

464
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Speaker 1: it is collection of towns. There's Monterey, there's Specific Grove,

465
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Speaker 1: There's Carmel by the Sea. As with the dashes is

466
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Speaker 1: the full name of the town. Carmel is its own thing.

467
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: Pebble Beach is also its own thing. It's the area

468
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: within the gates, right, It's the Delmonti Forest. It's where

469
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: Pebble Beach, Cypress Point, the links of Spanish Bay and

470
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: Poppy Hills all are all those courses are, you know,

471
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Speaker 1: in that area that we call Pebble Beach. Then there's

472
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Speaker 1: the inland town of Carmel Valley. There's Seaside and Marina,

473
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Speaker 1: which are the sort of outlying towns in the area,

474
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Speaker 1: perhaps less picturesque, right, And so there's a lot of

475
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Speaker 1: different experiences for people who live in the area. From

476
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Speaker 1: the perspective of a golfer, the funny thing about living

477
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Speaker 1: in the area is that unless you're a member of

478
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Speaker 1: Monterey Peninsula Country Club or Cypress Point, then more than

479
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: likely you're not playing golf at the most famous courses

480
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Speaker 1: in the area. Instead, you're playing at a collection of

481
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Speaker 1: different courses. Is And the thing is, some of those

482
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: courses are really really good, and and so those are

483
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 1: the ones I'm excited about.

484
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to ask you about that. So, so

485
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 2: Pebble Beach is, you know, nominally an accessible golf course.

486
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: You can get on it, you don't have to.

487
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: You know, you can pay, you can book a t time,

488
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: you don't have to. Yeah, it's not private. Is basically

489
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Speaker 1: the only the only thing.

490
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Speaker 2: But for me looking at it, it's it's it's a

491
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: pretty if not inaccessible, it's a pain. It's going to

492
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: be a painful trip cost wise and time wise for

493
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: most people are probably traveling from a fair distance. And

494
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: what I guess i'd want to know is what makes

495
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 2: it worth your while? Where can you add sort of

496
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: on top of that the accessible, making it making that

497
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: trip really sing and pop? What what else is in

498
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: the area beyond sort of the show piece of spending

499
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 2: the money at Pebble Beach to really make your trip

500
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 2: that time that you spend and getting out there a

501
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 2: little more valuable and efficient.

502
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Speaker 1: Okay, so I've got a list of courses here now.

503
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Speaker 1: First of all, Pebble Beach is astonishing. I'm not going

504
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: to tell people you need to go play it, because

505
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: I would never tell anybody you need to spend two

506
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: three thousand dollars on anything, right, because not every not

507
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: everybody has that ability to just drop that amount of

508
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: money on a golf course experience. You usually need to

509
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: stay at the lodge in order to get a tea time,

510
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: so that's another expense at it. On top of it,

511
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: it is very pricey. I would say it's worth it,

512
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: you know, if you can afford it, do it absolutely

513
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: a once in a lifetime experience and get out there

514
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: and do it. If the cost is too much for you,

515
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: if you just don't want to spend that amount of

516
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: money on a golf experience, totally understandable. I would say,

517
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: try to go to a day of the at and

518
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: T Pebble Beach pro am. You can get out on

519
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: the course, you can go see every hole. It can

520
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: be a fun tournament to watch that's spread out among

521
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: three different courses. The crowds are sometimes not that heavy

522
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: on the first couple of days of that tournament. If

523
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: you're not going to play the course, that's a really

524
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: good alternative way to experience it, all right. So what

525
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: I'd recommend for the other courses, Like for me, the

526
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: highlights of the region in terms of public golf would

527
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,959
Speaker 1: be Pacific Grove, which is the municipal course of the

528
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: town of Pacific Grove. That place has what is now

529
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: a back nine used to be the front nine that's

530
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: in legitimate dunes. In fact, I would say it's probably

531
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Speaker 1: in the best dunes in the area, aside from the

532
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: dunes that are in one section of Spyglass Hill and

533
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: a few holes at Cyprus Point. There's a little dune

534
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: system that those courses occupy on some holes that's pretty

535
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: stunning too. But the dunes at Pacific Grove are absolutely incredible,

536
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: and the routing of that nine holes is so good.

537
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: There's a couple of dud holes the tenth hole, the

538
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: eighteenth hole, but every hole in between is just brilliant.

539
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: And I love that golf course so much. It's my

540
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: favorite place to be in play golf. Like literally, I

541
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't rather be anywhere else. If I had a last round,

542
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: I might go and play that nine holes a couple

543
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: of times. The inland holes are not as good. I

544
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: think they can be a little bit underrated. They get

545
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: bashed to a degree that I think is a little

546
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: bit unfair. But the inland holes are the front nine.

547
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: They're a little bit squeezed by the neighborhood. Now there's

548
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: some trees that are there for safety reasons that limit

549
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: the holes a little further, but One thing to keep

550
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: in mind is that that nine actually existed before the

551
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: Dunes nine, and it was designed by Chandler Egan, who

552
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: did a famous renovation of Pebble Beach in nineteen twenty

553
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: nine that gave Pebble Beach a lot of the strategic

554
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: character that it has now. He was somebody who worked

555
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: with Alistair mackenzie and really knew what he was doing.

556
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: And I think that the nine holes that he designed

557
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: at Pacific Grove were good and have been affected by

558
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: what has grown up around it. So Pacific Grove is

559
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: the first one I'd mentioned. I also think Poppy Hills

560
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: is a great deal now. It was probably a better

561
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,959
Speaker 1: deal when I live there than it is now. Keep

562
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: in mind that I lived there before the pandemic, and

563
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: so a lot has changed in golf post pandemic. There

564
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: are more crowds at golf courses, some of the green

565
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: fees have gone up, etc. So I think there's still

566
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: a good deal to be had at Poppy Hills, especially

567
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: if you look at the twilight rate, which is almost

568
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: always really solid, and if you're a Northern California Golf

569
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: Association member, if you're an NCGA member, which I was,

570
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: when I lived there. It's a fantastic value. That's an

571
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,239
Speaker 1: excellent golf course that got a bad reputation because the

572
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: first version of that golf course was not very good.

573
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: It was referred to as sloppy poppy.

574
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it generally derided. So I think this means something

575
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: to have somebody like you put your voice to it,

576
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: because it's often been maybe that that's just a prior

577
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 2: history that it's not or you know, people aren't up

578
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: to speed on what's happened.

579
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 1: It underwent a complete renovation in the mid twenty tens,

580
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: and in fact that that renovation was actually by the

581
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: same firm that initially built it, Robert Trent Jones Junior.

582
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: But they kept most of the routing but completely changed

583
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: the golf holes. They sandcapped the entire site so it

584
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: plays really firm out there, and redesigned the holes so

585
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of strategy, a lot of width,

586
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: a lot of fun, a lot of character. I think

587
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: that's an excellent golf course. Now since I've been there,

588
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: they've built some houses around it that weren't there before.

589
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: I think maybe it's you know, it's going downhill instead

590
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: of going uphill. But if the golf holes are still there,

591
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: then I think it's a fantastic place there. There are

592
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: some holes out there that you're just like, name your

593
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: hot current architect, they would have been happy to design

594
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: a hole that's this strategic and this fun. And then finally,

595
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: I'd recommend going to Pasa Tiempo. You know, you got

596
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: to drive. It's in Santa Cruz. It's in a different area,

597
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: but we've talked about Pasa Tampa before on the podcast.

598
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: We probably don't need to go in depth here, but

599
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: if you go to Monterey, make the trip again. The

600
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: green fees going up, So I don't know how much

601
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: longer I'm going to be saying to people you need

602
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: to play Pasa Tiempo, because it might get to the

603
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: point where I'm like, I don't know if I want

604
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: to recommend a course that is this expensive to play,

605
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: but still right now it is very, very worth it.

606
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,719
Speaker 1: It's one of the best golf courses in California, one

607
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: of the best golf courses in America. Go see it.

608
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: I'm not asking you to savage anything. Are there any

609
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: that you may not It's obviously there's a lot of

610
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: options in the area. I've always heard about Spanish Bay

611
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 2: being a particularly I don't know, it's costly to get

612
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 2: punched in the face if you're not a great golfer.

613
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 2: Views hotel I hear are fantastic and all that. But

614
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: is there anything that maybe I don't want to suggest

615
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 2: is overrated or you should not play you cannot go,

616
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 2: but something that you would not choose to put in

617
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 2: your itinerary.

618
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: All right, let me break this down into two categories. Okay,

619
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Speaker 1: if you're just taking a trip to Pebble Beach, you

620
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: don't want to play a maybe course. More than likely

621
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: you don't want to play a course that somebody is like, uh,

622
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: you could play that, or maybe don't. The maybe courses

623
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: on my list are Spyglass Hill, Carmel Valley Ranch, and

624
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: Monterey Pines. Now Monterey Pines doesn't really belong in this category.

625
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: It's an affordable military golf course that I played most

626
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: of my golf at because it has the cheapest green

627
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: fee in the area and I really like it, and

628
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: so I just wanted to mention it. But if you're

629
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 1: on a trip to the area, maybe play moner A Pines.

630
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: Like there's probably got other things on your itinerary that

631
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: are that are more urgent, is.

632
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 2: That the one with the airplane lights or the trip

633
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 2: on it in the middle of the course, And I.

634
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 1: Love those, Like it's one of those little things like, yeah,

635
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: it has it's right next to the right, next to

636
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: like the airport where all the pj's like land. Right,

637
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: It's a golf course that you see when you're when

638
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: you're fancy and flying into that airport and you drive

639
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: out of it and you see a few of the holes,

640
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: and I just always really love playing golf there. I

641
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: think the superintendent there does such an awesome job. My

642
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: buddy Austin Daniels, and so I just wanted to mention it.

643
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, if you're on if you're on

644
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Speaker 1: a dream trip, you're not going to Monterey Pines, all right.

645
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: The other maybe courses would be Spyglass Hell and Carmel

646
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: Valley Ranch now spy Glass Hill. It's a classic. I

647
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: don't ever want to see anybody go there and say

648
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: I want to get rid of the Robert Trent Jones

649
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: here and install more fashionable architecture, Like I think that

650
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: course should stay just as it is, because it is

651
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: a of its era and of its architect Robert Trent Jones.

652
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: The holes in the dunes get mostly attention, and I

653
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: think that's partly because they're extremely beautiful close to the ocean,

654
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: in spectacular dunes, and also they're fun holes to play like.

655
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: They're kind of they're shorter because the property is sort

656
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: of limited around there. They have some quirky greens. The

657
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: fourth green is so odd and fun. It's like this

658
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: really narrow strip with some undulation in it. It's like

659
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: nothing else Robert Trent Jones built. And then you go

660
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: to the rest of the course and it's more familiar

661
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: Robert Trent Jones stuff, with the greens up on ridges,

662
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: fair ways that go down and then up some ponds

663
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: in front of greens. You know, if you've seen a

664
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: Robert Trent Jones course pretty much anywhere, then you'll be

665
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: familiar with what you get in the inland portions of

666
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: Spyglass Hill. It's not to say that it's bad. It's

667
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: a really good test of golfing ability. It's tough, but it's

668
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: very very so I'd say that if you're going to

669
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: Monterey for a few days, that Spyglass Hill is a

670
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: maybe Carmel Valley ranch kind of the same deal. That's

671
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,959
Speaker 1: a peat Die golf course. It's in Carmel Valley. People

672
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: don't talk about it very much. I really like a

673
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: lot of the golf holes out there. There's some fun

674
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: Pete Die stuff. Main problem with it from my perspective

675
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: is that you cannot walk it. It is impossible to walk.

676
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: I'm somebody who walks almost every course. Even if I'm

677
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: told in the pro shop, like you probably shouldn't walk

678
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: this course. I'd always always try to walk Carmel Valley Ranch.

679
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: You can't do it. There's like ten minute drives in

680
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,919
Speaker 1: the golf cart between certain greens and teas and so, Yeah,

681
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: just wanted to mention a lot of people don't know

682
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: there's a peat Die golf course in the Moderay area.

683
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm giving you maybe a curve ball here.

684
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: You've mentioned you know Egan, You've mentioned Trent Jones, You've

685
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: mentioned now Pete Die Die.

686
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: Like.

687
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: There have been eras of in continuous development, right there

688
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 2: was a centerpiece like Pebble Beach and Cyprus Mackenzie like

689
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 2: these originals, and obviously a lot has sprung up and

690
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 2: developed around there. You're talking about houses still being built

691
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: on poppy hills. What is Is there any opportunity left?

692
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: Is there a no? Is there anything understanding? California regulatory

693
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 2: environmental costs is a challenge. And I told you I

694
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 2: went to the preserve. Is there like an inland preserve?

695
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: Is you know, a different kind of deal of an

696
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 2: interesting round there? Definitely not walkable.

697
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have not played the preserve, so so you've

698
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 1: you've definitely been a place that I haven't been. It's

699
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: a Tom Fazio course. It's it's in a beautiful location,

700
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: right yeah.

701
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like one of those it takes a mile,

702
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: you know, you feel like you're gonna fall off the

703
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: side of the mountain get in there. It takes a

704
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 2: you know, twenty minutes to go a mile because of

705
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 2: the drive. I played that round with Brandle. Pretty interesting

706
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 2: on there with the preserve.

707
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: To take this discussion off line, try.

708
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 2: To remember that that that round in my head now,

709
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: h my goodness. But but that is like that's a fuzzyo.

710
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 2: Like you know, golf is a part of the area.

711
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: It has all the land. Has it been maxed out?

712
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 2: Do you feel like when you were driving around there

713
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 2: as a resident, Wow, that could be an actual new

714
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: great golf course. Whether it's public or whatever, it may

715
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 2: be part of the resort. Do you feel like maybe

716
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: a modern era, there's an opportunity to keep building on

717
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 2: that sort of the legacy of golf in the area.

718
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: There's plenty of open land around. I mean, there's a

719
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: lot of it. You've been to the preserve, that's basically

720
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: nothing but open land out there. Right now. I don't

721
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: know how they built the preserve. I don't know how

722
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: they accomplished that. I really it's a mystery to me

723
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: that they were even able to do that. And I

724
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: just don't think that you can do that anymore in

725
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: that area, not because there's not enough land, but just

726
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: because of the regulatory environment and just the fact that

727
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: there's not really any golf courses being built in California

728
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: except for some sections of Napa Valley. So yeah, I

729
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: think that we've got basically all the golf courses that

730
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: were going to get in that area. But things could

731
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: change in the future. We'll see. I can't predict what

732
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: it's going to be like to develop golf courses in

733
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: California in the twenty thirties, and so things might change,

734
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: But right now, I really don't see much potential for

735
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: new stuff being built that more or less stopped, I

736
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: think with the Preserve and if I'm missing a more

737
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: recent course than my mistake. But it's been a while now,

738
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: I didn't quite get to the courses that I think

739
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: you should avoid actively when you go out to moder Ay.

740
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: One of those is Spanish Bay. And you know, I like,

741
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that this is a terrible golf course.

742
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: You're looking at the ocean all the time. There's something

743
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: to be said for that. I have all the respect

744
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: in the world for Sandy Tatum, who has involved in

745
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: the design of this course, and for Tom Watson, who

746
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: is also involved. But I just don't, you know, especially

747
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: at the price point, I don't think it's worth going

748
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: out there when there are so many other better options.

749
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: And also you can go out to Spanish Bay, walk

750
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: onto the golf course in the evening and listen to

751
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: a bagpiper. Go see the bagpiper. It's a little bit touristy.

752
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: You might you might be cringing at this. You might

753
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: be saying, ah, that that sounds sounds a little bit lame.

754
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, if it's a nice night and

755
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: a good sunset, and you go out there with the

756
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: daily bagpiper in the evening, you're going to feel some things. Now,

757
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: public courses, I don't I don't want to make a

758
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: habit of like bashing public courses that are accessible, But

759
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: there are a couple of courses that get held up

760
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: as kind of hidden public gems in the Monterey area,

761
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: and I just want to be honest with people and

762
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: say that I don't think that these are the places

763
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: that you should go for public golf in the area. Delmani,

764
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: which is owned by the Pebble Beach Company and is

765
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: not exactly affordable, not much of a golf course there,

766
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: but it is kind of the original golf course in

767
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: the area. I think it's the oldest one, and so

768
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what it used to be, but there's

769
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: there's not much there now that I would recommend. And

770
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: then the one that really gets kind of whispered about

771
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: by some people saying like, ooh, this is you know,

772
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 1: you might you might hear about Pacific Grove and Pasa Tiempo,

773
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: but go to Bayonet and black Horse this it's a

774
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: thirty six hole public facility. I don't recommend it, don't.

775
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: I don't think the design is very good, a lot

776
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: of catch basins, not a lot of not a lot

777
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: of coherent strategy out there. I don't think it's I

778
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: don't think they're very good golf courses. And again I

779
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: praise them for being a public facility where people can

780
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: play on a consistent basis. But if you're choosing among options,

781
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: go to Pacific Grove, go to Poppy Hills, go to

782
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: Quail Lodge, long before you go to Baynett and Black Corse.

783
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: So those are those are my takes. There anything else

784
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: here you're you're curious about, Brendan uh No.

785
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: I mean I think development was a big one. I

786
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: was kind of thinking of as you've risked rattled off

787
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: these kind of eras and and to be to be clear,

788
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: like I think I try to you know, I I

789
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: operate in this world with you guys, obviously with Andy

790
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 2: and you and being really sharp minds on the architectural front.

791
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 2: I also then try to like go and talk to

792
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: my neighbors and like what do what do what do?

793
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: Like you know, just guys going on a trip, like

794
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: they want the bagpiper they want, Like I don't think

795
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: there's there's something to be said for like the meaning

796
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 2: they get for just walking out on Pebble Beach and

797
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 2: playing it and taking a picture and saying they played it,

798
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: and that there is a weight to that that I

799
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: try to appreciate beyond. And I'm not saying you guys

800
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: don't eat. I'm not saying you don't either, But like when.

801
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: We missed it, right, we are. We are deep in

802
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: the weeds on this stuff, and sometimes that makes you

803
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: not notice things that, like, you know, right, for lack

804
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: of a better term, normal people might prioritize the one.

805
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: The one I always come back to with this is Oldhead,

806
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 2: quite honestly, like Old Head is architecturally offensive, it's a

807
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 2: it's a ripoff. It's expensive, and there's so much great

808
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: golf you can play in Ireland and around, but like

809
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: these guys that go there, it means something and it's

810
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 2: it's cool to them, right they said, I played on

811
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,479
Speaker 2: the edge of the cliff and it was stunning, And yes,

812
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: there we can tell them why it shouldn't, you know,

813
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 2: there's better options, and why they were ripped off, But

814
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: like that is not always the purpose of some of

815
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 2: these trips. And I think when we talk about the

816
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 2: Monterey and Pebble Beach area. A lot of people are

817
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 2: going there for some meaning that gets beyond just their

818
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: strategic enjoyment or their enjoyment of the golf even itself,

819
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 2: just the golf itself, and you know, there's a pushback

820
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 2: on why that's the case.

821
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely, And from that perspective, you might promote

822
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: Spyglass Hill in the recommendations. That's a course where they

823
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: play a big PGA Tour tournament every year, that's by

824
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: a designer that a lot of people know the name of,

825
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: and that's really challenging and impressive to look at. So

826
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: Spyglass Hill, I've often heard from people is their favorite

827
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: course in the area. You know, especially when I hear

828
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: from really good players who don't necessarily consider themselves architecture walks,

829
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: I often hear from that type of player, man, spy

830
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: Glass Hill is so pure. I hear that word a

831
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: lot associated with Spyglass Hill Pure. So if you know

832
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 1: of a golfer who is you know, tends to refer

833
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: to certain golf courses as pure as the highest thing

834
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: that they can be. And I think usually what they

835
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: mean by that is that the conditioning is really good

836
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: and it's pretty and it's challenging. Spyglass Hill is all

837
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: of those things. The conditioning is absolutely aces for what

838
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: they're going for there.

839
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 2: Well, I hear that refrain a lot, what you just

840
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: spoke of, And I never even lived in the area, So.

841
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, love Spyglass that like it better than Pebble Beach,

842
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: you know, you do. You hear that a lot, and

843
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: so yeah, you gotta you've got to give some airing

844
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: to to that feeling about the place for sure. All Right, Well,

845
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: thank you so much Brendan for for bearing with me

846
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: through the Monterey Gift Guide. I thought, I hope that

847
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 1: was informative and fun for people to hear about. It's

848
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 1: an area that I really have a lot of affection

849
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: for and I can't wait to see the US Women's

850
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: Open go there. So thanks a lot, Brendan. Talk to

851
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: you soon, all right, Thank you. This episode of the

852
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: Frida Egg Podcast was edited by Matt Rusius. Thank you, Matt.

853
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to take a moment here at the end

854
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: to talk about an upcoming event that the Frida Egg

855
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: is holding. It's called the Junction. It's on August eighteenth,

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Speaker 1: and it's being held at common Ground Golf Course. Near Denver, Colorado.

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Speaker 1: Common Ground is to me one of the most special

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Speaker 1: places in American golf. First of all, it's an extraordinarily

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Speaker 1: well designed public golf course. Tom Doak and his crew

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Speaker 1: reimagined this course on a low budget and just did

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Speaker 1: so many interesting things out there, like genuinely innovative things

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Speaker 1: that you have to see. You have to see these greens,

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Speaker 1: the way they built the bunkers, the way they figured

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Speaker 1: out the strategies of the holes on a fairly quiet

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Speaker 1: piece of ground. I mean, there's just so much fascinating

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Speaker 1: design out there that I think goes beyond like just

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Speaker 1: being good public golf. This is really great modern golf design,

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Speaker 1: and I think anybody who's interested in where architecture is

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Speaker 1: going next should go see common Ground. The other part

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Speaker 1: of Common Ground that's so special to me is the

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Speaker 1: caddie academy that they have there. If you go to

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Speaker 1: common Ground, you can get a young caddy to go

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Speaker 1: out and carry your bag, and these kids are just delightful.

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Speaker 1: You know. I really like having a caddy who's a

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Speaker 1: teenager and somebody who's just getting started in life and

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Speaker 1: who's out there trying to do things, and that really

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Speaker 1: characterizes the common Ground caddies that I've had. I think

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Speaker 1: it's a model for what a caddy program can be

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Speaker 1: in the twenty first century. So not only do you

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Speaker 1: get a really fantastic golf course, but you also have

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Speaker 1: access to the experience of a caddy in a way

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Speaker 1: that you very rarely get in public golf. So those

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Speaker 1: are two things that I really love about common Ground,

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Speaker 1: and two reasons that going out to this event at

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Speaker 1: the Junction I think would be a great idea for

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Speaker 1: anybody who's able to go. It's on August eighteenth, and

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Speaker 1: it's right around the US Amateur, so you if you're

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Speaker 1: going to go to the US Amateur in Cherry Hills,

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Speaker 1: which is not far away, then going to this event

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Speaker 1: would fit right into the itinerary. So search for it online.

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Speaker 1: You can find more information about the Junction event a

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Speaker 1: common Ground on our Friday Events page at golf Genius,

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Speaker 1: So check that out and we hope to see you

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Speaker 1: out there all right, thank you for listening, and we'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you against s