WEBVTT - #283 Maggie Freleng with Marni Yang

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<v Speaker 1>So, Maggie, what about you?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there anything that could make you confess to a

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<v Speaker 2>time you didn't commit.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have kids, but I imagine, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>a situation where I would be looking to save somebody

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<v Speaker 3>that I knew was for sure innocent, like a child

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<v Speaker 3>or maybe even my mom, or you know, maybe there

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't be a situation where I would falsely confess to

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<v Speaker 3>something to save somebody.

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<v Speaker 4>I had reached a point where I felt so beaten

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<v Speaker 4>down after seeing my son and daughter go through a

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<v Speaker 4>mental breakdown. I had just decided I'm just going to

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<v Speaker 4>tell them whatever they want to.

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<v Speaker 5>Hear from LoVa for good. This is wrongful. Can with

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<v Speaker 5>Maggie Freeling today Marnie Yang. On October fourth, two thousand

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<v Speaker 5>and seven, forty two year old Ronnie Ryder was going

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<v Speaker 5>about her morning at her apartment in Deerfield, Illinois. Suddenly,

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<v Speaker 5>neighbors heard a short scream, loud bangs, and a crash,

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<v Speaker 5>followed by silence. When police arrived, they found Ronnie lying

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<v Speaker 5>face down on her kitchen floor in a pool of blood.

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<v Speaker 5>A single bullet wound to the back of her head

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<v Speaker 5>was the cause of death. She had also been shot

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<v Speaker 5>two times in the stomach. Ronnie was seven months pregnant.

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<v Speaker 5>The bullets killed her unborn child. At the crime scene,

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<v Speaker 5>police found no indication of a struggle, nor were any

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<v Speaker 5>items missing from the house. But what they did find

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<v Speaker 5>was a threatening note inside Ronnie's purse discussing her boyfriend

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<v Speaker 5>and baby's father, Sean Gail. Gail was a major NFL

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<v Speaker 5>star for the Chicago Bears, and he and Ronnie have

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<v Speaker 5>been dating for seventeen years. The note mentioned Gail's alleged

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<v Speaker 5>affairs with sixteen other women, including Marnie Yang. Because she

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<v Speaker 5>was on that list, police interviewed Marnie about the murder.

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<v Speaker 5>They immediately honed in on her as a suspect. They

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<v Speaker 5>eventually arrested her, believing she was a jealous girlfriend willing

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<v Speaker 5>to commit murder to be with Gail, but none of

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<v Speaker 5>the forensic evidence led back to Marnie. In fact, the

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<v Speaker 5>neighbor said they saw a man running from the scene

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<v Speaker 5>of the crime.

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<v Speaker 4>At the time, I believed in the justice system. I

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<v Speaker 4>believed that the law would do the right thing. I

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<v Speaker 4>no longer believe that this was a huge wake up call.

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<v Speaker 4>My name is Marty Yang. I've been wrongfully convicted for

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<v Speaker 4>thirteen years.

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<v Speaker 5>Marnie Yang was born December twenty ninth, nineteen sixty seven

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<v Speaker 5>to Larry and Francine Marar and grew up in Skokee, Illinois.

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<v Speaker 5>She's the oldest of three children.

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<v Speaker 4>We grew up in basically a standard two parent household

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<v Speaker 4>for the day. You know. My mother stayed home and

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<v Speaker 4>raised us until we were a little bit older, and

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<v Speaker 4>then she went to work for my father's company, and

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<v Speaker 4>we had pretty much a standard childhood, I guess.

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<v Speaker 5>Marnie graduated from Niles North High School in nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 5>six and went on to college at Illinois State University.

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<v Speaker 5>That's where she met her husband, Yen Yang.

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't exactly call it a blind date, because we

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<v Speaker 4>knew each other in passing, but we were introduced formally

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<v Speaker 4>by a mutual friend and we began dating. In college.

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<v Speaker 5>Marnie got pregnant and gave birth to twins, Emily and

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<v Speaker 5>Andrew in nineteen ninety one. Their younger brother, Brandon, was

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<v Speaker 5>born four years later. A couple of years after that,

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<v Speaker 5>Marnie and her husband divorced.

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<v Speaker 4>I was a single parent by the time Brandon, my youngest,

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<v Speaker 4>was an infant, and it was difficult financially. I always

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<v Speaker 4>had to work like three jobs, but it was very,

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<v Speaker 4>very rewarding. My children are amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>My mom. She was a good person.

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<v Speaker 5>This is Emily Marnie's daughter.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever dream we had, she would help us pursue it.

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<v Speaker 2>She was very supportive. She would take care of our

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<v Speaker 2>friends in the neighborhood kids whenever they got hurt.

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<v Speaker 5>Emily especially remembers her mom loving animals.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember her always bringing in stray dogs, cats, even squirrels.

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<v Speaker 2>We had central air in the back, and I remember

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<v Speaker 2>there was a baby squirrel stuck under it, and I

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<v Speaker 2>put a laundry basket over it and put some water

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<v Speaker 2>and some snacks, and I left it there. And when

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<v Speaker 2>I came back, it wasn't there anymore, and I was confused,

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<v Speaker 2>and I found out that my mom had brought it inside.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh and did you guys keep it?

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<v Speaker 2>We did. We'd bring it to the vet and everything.

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<v Speaker 5>Marnie worked in real estate, but she wasn't making enough

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<v Speaker 5>to support three kids on her own, so she picked

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<v Speaker 5>up jobs here and there. She worked as a waitress,

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<v Speaker 5>and she was an aspiring fitness model too, so she

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<v Speaker 5>occasionally did photoshoots on the side. In two thousand and five,

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<v Speaker 5>Marnie was working a security job at a Chicago Bears

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<v Speaker 5>convention when a man introduced himself as Sean Gale. She

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<v Speaker 5>later learned he was a defensive back in the NFL

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<v Speaker 5>and a Super Bowl champion. He was a major celebrity

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<v Speaker 5>in the football world.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, at the time, it didn't mean anything to me.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not a sports fan. I don't care. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>I was there working a job, but I kept seeing

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<v Speaker 4>him throughout the weekend, and he kept talking to me

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<v Speaker 4>and passing. So we started a conversation. Because I was

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<v Speaker 4>also working in real estate at the time. It turned

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<v Speaker 4>out that he said he was looking for some property,

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<v Speaker 4>and I gave him my business card. He called me

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<v Speaker 4>just a couple hours after the convention was over, and

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<v Speaker 4>that's how we met. You know, we had started out

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<v Speaker 4>talking about real estate. It really was not very long

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<v Speaker 4>before he made the move towards a personal relationship.

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<v Speaker 5>Marnie and Sean started spending time together, but she didn't

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<v Speaker 5>consider their relationship all that serious, and her life was

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<v Speaker 5>full enough already.

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<v Speaker 4>I had three jobs, I had three kids. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>it wasn't really something that I concerned myself with all

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<v Speaker 4>that much. You know, I was doing me and living

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<v Speaker 4>my life. He was doing him and living his life.

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<v Speaker 5>She says it was a casual relationship that was never exclusive.

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<v Speaker 5>She always expected he would be seeing other women too.

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<v Speaker 5>One of those women was Ronnie Rider, who had been

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<v Speaker 5>dating Gaile for seventeen years. They met in Platteville, Wisconsin,

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<v Speaker 5>while Gaile was practicing with the Bears. Eventually, Ronnie left

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<v Speaker 5>the small town she was living in to move to

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<v Speaker 5>Chicago to be closer to Gayle. On October fourth, two

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<v Speaker 5>thousand and seven, Ronnie, who was now seven months pregnant,

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<v Speaker 5>was getting ready to leave her apartment for the day.

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<v Speaker 5>At seven fifty am, her downstairs neighbor heard footsteps in

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<v Speaker 5>Ronnie's kitchen. At seven fifty two, another neighbor leaving for work,

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<v Speaker 5>saw a black male walk up the stairs to Ronnie's building.

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<v Speaker 5>About a minute later, the neighbors heard a short scream

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<v Speaker 5>and loud banging sounds what they described as a pop, pop,

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<v Speaker 5>and a crash, and then silence. One of the neighbors

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<v Speaker 5>saw a black man run through the parking lot, get

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<v Speaker 5>into a black car, and drive away. Another called Ronnie's phone,

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<v Speaker 5>but no one answered, so they called nine one one.

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<v Speaker 5>When police arrived, they found Ronnie Writer laying face down

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<v Speaker 5>on her kitchen floor in a pool of blood. There

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<v Speaker 5>were multiple blunt force injuries to her head, and she

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<v Speaker 5>had been shot seven times. A single shot to the

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<v Speaker 5>back of her head was the immediate cause of death.

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<v Speaker 5>Ronnie had also been shot twice in the stomach, killing

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<v Speaker 5>her unborn baby. Police found no indication of a struggle,

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<v Speaker 5>and nothing was missing from the house. What they did

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<v Speaker 5>find were fingerprints on the doorknobs, which later returned without

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<v Speaker 5>a match. Most importantly, though, police found a letter inside

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<v Speaker 5>Ronnie's purse. It said that Ronnie should know that her

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<v Speaker 5>boyfriend was cheating on her. The author of the letter

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<v Speaker 5>wrote that Gail was spreading diseases and seeing other women

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<v Speaker 5>all around the world. At the end of the letter,

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<v Speaker 5>the author listed the names of sixteen other women, including Marnie,

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<v Speaker 5>who Gail was apparently sleeping with.

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<v Speaker 4>I never expected it to be exclusive relationships. I just

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<v Speaker 4>I never found out until much much later that there

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<v Speaker 4>were quite as many women as there were.

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<v Speaker 5>Marnie herself found out about all these other women well

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<v Speaker 5>before the crime, when she also began receiving these letters.

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<v Speaker 5>In April two thousand and six, Marnie received numerous harassing

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<v Speaker 5>phone calls, and then in May of that year, the

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<v Speaker 5>letters came.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I was getting letters in the mail based

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<v Speaker 4>on you know, it was basically lists of names and

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<v Speaker 4>phone numbers and information on who these women were. If

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted to know who these women are, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>what am I dealing with here? I have children, and

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<v Speaker 4>is there anybody or anything within the letters that I

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<v Speaker 4>I was getting that would indicate that there was something

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<v Speaker 4>that I need to be worried about?

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<v Speaker 5>So she started researching who these women were through online

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<v Speaker 5>background checks. She says she wanted to make sure that

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<v Speaker 5>her family was safe, but this would later come back

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<v Speaker 5>to bite her. Eventually, the harassment extended beyond letters and

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<v Speaker 5>phone calls. One day in two thousand and six, when

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<v Speaker 5>Marnie was leaving Gail's house, she found dog feces smeared

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<v Speaker 5>all over the door handle of her car, and her

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<v Speaker 5>wiper blades were damaged.

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<v Speaker 4>You know. At one point, I actually received a note

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<v Speaker 4>that was left on my garage door saying you are

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<v Speaker 4>next or I'm coming for you next, or something like that.

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<v Speaker 5>One time, Marnie remembers she was out with Gail and

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<v Speaker 5>he mentioned a woman he had gotten pregnant.

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<v Speaker 4>He told her that he would take care of his

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<v Speaker 4>financial responsibilities in this matter, but that he was not

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<v Speaker 4>going to allow it to affect his life under any circumstances.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's a direct quote that much I do remember.

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<v Speaker 4>I think his exact words were that it was way

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<v Speaker 4>too late for him to do anything about it. So

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<v Speaker 4>he made it sound like whoever this woman was had

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<v Speaker 4>already had a child and come back to him later

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<v Speaker 4>with her basically with their handout looking for money.

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<v Speaker 5>After Ronnie's murder, Gail was immediately questioned by police. At

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<v Speaker 5>the time of the crime around eight am. Gail's whereabouts

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<v Speaker 5>are unknown. He didn't have an alibi until around ten am,

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<v Speaker 5>when he arrived at LeRoy's barber shop for a haircut.

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<v Speaker 5>According to police interviews, Leroy, Gail's barber said that this

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<v Speaker 5>was unusual. He never got his haircut in the morning.

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<v Speaker 5>For seventeen years, he had been going to LeRoy's for

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<v Speaker 5>haircuts always in the afternoon. Around one pm, after talking

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<v Speaker 5>with Gail, police stopped pursuing an investigation on him. Instead,

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<v Speaker 5>they turned their attention to interviewing his numerous alleged girlfriends,

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<v Speaker 5>including Marnie.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought to myself, well, I'm sure everybody's a suspect.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure they're going to be questioning everybody. This is

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<v Speaker 4>a horrible, horrible crime, and I basically just felt like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>since we have nothing to hide, then you know, let

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<v Speaker 4>him ask questions. I had no clue at the time

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<v Speaker 4>it was going to snowball into anything like this.

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<v Speaker 5>Barnie's children, and they zeroed in on Marnie's sixteen year

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<v Speaker 5>old son, Andrew, five days after Ronnie and her unborn

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<v Speaker 5>baby were killed. Andrew became a suspect when police reviewed

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<v Speaker 5>his school attendance records and discovered that he hadn't been

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<v Speaker 5>in school the day of the murder. Now the heat

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<v Speaker 5>was on Marnie and her family. They were blindsided.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't see at the time that this was going

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<v Speaker 4>to become some sort of twisted torture campaign.

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<v Speaker 5>Marnie and her kids were extensively interviewed for day and

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<v Speaker 5>hours on end.

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<v Speaker 2>The police had taken my brothers and I from our

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<v Speaker 2>house and brought us in.

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<v Speaker 5>Officers George Falenko, Scott Frost, and Charles Schleitz started asking

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<v Speaker 5>Mornie's kids about their relationship with their mom.

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<v Speaker 2>I told them that my mom and I didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>the best relationship. I as a young girl, I blamed

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<v Speaker 2>her for my mom and dad divorcing. And from there,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, in hindsight, they manipulated me. They told me

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<v Speaker 2>that my brother and my mom both committed the murder together.

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<v Speaker 2>They specifically told me that they knew that my mom

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<v Speaker 2>had weapons, and that my mom and my brother cemented

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<v Speaker 2>the murder weapon and a bucket and through it at

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom of Lake Michigan.

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<v Speaker 5>And so you are sixteen and you believe what the

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<v Speaker 5>police say.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, they really got into my head and they

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<v Speaker 2>made me believe it.

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<v Speaker 5>Emily says the officers were relentless during interrogation.

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<v Speaker 2>They questioned me for twelve hours straight and I kept

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<v Speaker 2>saying that I don't know anything. And you know, after

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<v Speaker 2>twelve hours of saying I don't know, it really broke me.

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<v Speaker 2>I started banging my head on the table. They would

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<v Speaker 2>not take I don't know for an answer, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And once I started banging my head, I get to

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<v Speaker 2>the table. Is when they left the room.

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<v Speaker 5>Emily thinks this is when they started trying to figure

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<v Speaker 5>out how to get her to talk.

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<v Speaker 2>I hadn't seen my dad in eight years. When he left.

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<v Speaker 2>He he said he was moving out of the state

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<v Speaker 2>to go live with his brothers in Massachusetts. And he

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<v Speaker 2>said I'll call you when I get there. And I

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<v Speaker 2>never heard from him again after that.

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<v Speaker 5>The officers told Emily they would find her father for

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<v Speaker 5>her if she wrote a statement. And seeing your dad

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<v Speaker 5>was something you wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was. It was a dream for me, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So when they said, well, we can find them for you,

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<v Speaker 2>I I jumped out. I'm jumped at it, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>So Emily wrote a statement. Afterwards, she said officers Frost

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<v Speaker 5>and Schletts ripped it up and said it wasn't good enough.

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<v Speaker 5>She wrote another statement, but it still didn't meet their approval. Finally,

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<v Speaker 5>Emily says she wrote what they wanted her to say. Andrew,

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<v Speaker 5>Emily's twin brother, also in a similar position, but he

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<v Speaker 5>actually ended up being accused of the murder. He said

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<v Speaker 5>Officer Flenko threatened him by saying, quote, one of you

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<v Speaker 5>are going to prison for the rest of your life.

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<v Speaker 5>Will it be you or your mother.

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<v Speaker 4>It was so bad that it got to the point

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<v Speaker 4>where it drove Andrew to a mental breakdown. We had

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<v Speaker 4>to put him in a psychiatric hospital for two weeks,

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<v Speaker 4>and as a result of that, his twin sister also

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<v Speaker 4>ended up having a breakdown and she was in the

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<v Speaker 4>hospital for a week. That's what these people did to

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<v Speaker 4>my family.

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<v Speaker 5>Emily missed her prom because she was in a psychiatric hospital. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 5>Marnie said enough.

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<v Speaker 4>I had reached a point where I felt so beaten down.

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<v Speaker 4>There was nobody that could help me at that point.

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<v Speaker 4>My parents couldn't help They couldn't protect us. My attorney

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<v Speaker 4>couldn't seem to protect us. I couldn't go to the

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<v Speaker 4>police again. They were the ones that were terrorizing us.

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<v Speaker 4>After seeing my son and daughter go through a mental breakdown,

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<v Speaker 4>I had just decided I'm just going to tell them

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<v Speaker 4>whatever they want to hear.

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<v Speaker 5>Marnie found her opportunity one day when a business associate,

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<v Speaker 5>Christie Passion, reached out inviting her to meet at Denny's.

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<v Speaker 5>Marnie knew the police had talked to Christy and figured

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<v Speaker 5>she could find out some information from her. At the restaurant,

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<v Speaker 5>Marnie noticed that Christy was wearing a wire. It was

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<v Speaker 5>sticking out of her coat. So Marnie decided this was

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<v Speaker 5>her chance to save her son by falsely confessing to

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<v Speaker 5>the murder.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember.

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<v Speaker 4>Giving my perception of how the crime played out based

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<v Speaker 4>on the multiple interrogations that the police had done with

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<v Speaker 4>me and the information that I had picked up from

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<v Speaker 4>there from media accounts, you know, things like that, and

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<v Speaker 4>come to find out later a lot of what I

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<v Speaker 4>said was not even completely accurate.

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<v Speaker 5>Marnie left out Andrew and her made up version of

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<v Speaker 5>events since she wanted to protect him and she alone.

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<v Speaker 5>Was arrested in early two thousand and nine. She was

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<v Speaker 5>charged with the first degree murder of Ronnie Ryder and

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<v Speaker 5>intentional homicide of an unborn child. The trial started in

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<v Speaker 5>early March and lasted two weeks. The prosecutor was Assistant

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<v Speaker 5>state's attorney Patricia Fix. As there was no forensic evidence

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<v Speaker 5>implicating Marnie, the prosecution presented largely circumstantial evidence at trial.

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<v Speaker 5>Among them was a video from a shell gas station

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<v Speaker 5>showing a black Volkswagen fleeing from the scene of the crime,

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<v Speaker 5>which they said was the exact car Marnie had rented

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<v Speaker 5>that week for a modeling job. They also tried to

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<v Speaker 5>prove to the jury that a silencer was used on

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<v Speaker 5>the gun that killed Ronnie, and that Marnie must have

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<v Speaker 5>built a homemade silencer from items she purchased at home depot.

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<v Speaker 5>Then there were the background checks Marnie had done on

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<v Speaker 5>the women named in the letters, and of course Marnie's

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<v Speaker 5>alleged confession. The prosecution also attempted to show that Marnie

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<v Speaker 5>had sent the threatening letters herself self. They cited several

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<v Speaker 5>unsent letters nearly identical to the one found in Ronnie's purse,

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<v Speaker 5>and address labels they claim or found in Marnie's home office.

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<v Speaker 5>Gil's own testimony also became evidence use against Marnie, as

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<v Speaker 5>did the testimony for Marnie's daughter Emily.

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<v Speaker 2>The prosecutor, Pat Fix, came in right before I testified,

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<v Speaker 2>and she said, you have to to testify on everything

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<v Speaker 2>you made in your statement, otherwise you're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>in trouble.

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<v Speaker 5>So Emily took the stand against her mom.

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<v Speaker 4>The state's attorney basically forced her to testify, forced her

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<v Speaker 4>to give fast testimony on top of it.

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<v Speaker 5>Marnie's defense attorneys were Jeffrey Lerner and William Hedrick. Their

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<v Speaker 5>main defense was to cast doubt on Christie's credibility as

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<v Speaker 5>well as point out that the investtigation was not thorough.

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<v Speaker 5>They argued that it focused too quickly on Marnie and

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<v Speaker 5>her family instead of following other possible suspects. This was

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<v Speaker 5>the extent of their defense for Marnie.

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<v Speaker 4>And I really believed that once we got to court,

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<v Speaker 4>I really believed that the evidence, or lack thereof, would

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<v Speaker 4>speak for itself and that the justice system would do

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<v Speaker 4>the right thing. I had no clue that they were

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<v Speaker 4>going to take all of these everyday things that were

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<v Speaker 4>never really evidence in the first place and twist them

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<v Speaker 4>into something nefarious.

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<v Speaker 5>With a weak defense against the state's arguments. On March fifteenth,

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<v Speaker 5>twenty eleven, Marnie Yang was found guilty of the murders

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<v Speaker 5>of Ronnie Ryder and her unborn child. She was sentenced

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<v Speaker 5>to two concurrent terms of imprisonment and for the drivation

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<v Speaker 5>of her natural life without the possibility of parole. She

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<v Speaker 5>was thirty nine years old. During her thirteen years of incarceration,

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<v Speaker 5>Marnie has refused to let the system drag her down.

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<v Speaker 4>I made a decision when I first got incarcerated, and

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<v Speaker 4>I reminded myself that I have no choice about being here.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't have the option to just get up and leave.

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<v Speaker 4>But what I do have is the option of allowing

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<v Speaker 4>it to consume me and eat me up inside and

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<v Speaker 4>become bitter and angry, or I can use this time

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<v Speaker 4>as positively and productively as possible. And I feel like

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<v Speaker 4>that's what I've done. I'm a math teacher. I teach math,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, and I try to have as pos of

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<v Speaker 4>an impact on my immediate community as I can. But

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<v Speaker 4>it's still a very difficult environment.

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<v Speaker 5>Marnie has filed several appeals during her time in prison,

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<v Speaker 5>but all have been denied. But in early twenty fourteen,

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<v Speaker 5>Jed Stone of Stone and Associates came on the case.

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<v Speaker 5>Jed immediately noticed glaring hallmarks of a wrongful conviction. Starting

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<v Speaker 5>with the police force in Lake County, Illinois.

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<v Speaker 1>What do we know about the Lake County Major Crimes

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<v Speaker 1>Task Force? They have been responsible for a myriad of

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<v Speaker 1>wrongful convictions, documented wrongful convictions. Lake County was the epicenter

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<v Speaker 1>of wrongful convictions in the United States.

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<v Speaker 5>And Jed can name plenty of examples of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Alejandro Dominguez is a freeman today, exonerated and wrongfully convicted.

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<v Speaker 1>Juan Rivera is a freeman today, exonerated and conviction reversed.

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<v Speaker 1>Benny Starks exonerated and free after a wrongful conviction, Jason

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<v Speaker 1>Strong the same, all.

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<v Speaker 5>Out of Lake County where Marnie was convicted. Jed believes

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<v Speaker 5>that Marnie's conviction fits into this pattern, particularly her confession.

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<v Speaker 1>There are hallmarks of false confessions. A number of wrongful

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<v Speaker 1>convictions come about because of a confession or statement by

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<v Speaker 1>the accused that at first blush implicates them in the crime,

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<v Speaker 1>but on careful analysis is shown to be a false confession,

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<v Speaker 1>and no one did that at Marnie's trial. Her description

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<v Speaker 1>of the physical promises was wrong, her description of the

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<v Speaker 1>order of bullets fired was wrong, and the way the

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<v Speaker 1>body was found as well as the way the body

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<v Speaker 1>must have fallen was wrong. Those immutable mistakes of fact

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<v Speaker 1>are evidence of a false confession.

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<v Speaker 5>So Jed's team hired a false confessions expert to evaluate

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<v Speaker 5>Marny's confession. David Thompson of Wicklander and Associates.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, in fact, there are so many of them that

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<v Speaker 1>they are now international experts in this area, and he concludes,

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<v Speaker 1>and concludes correctly, that this has all of the hallmarks

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<v Speaker 1>of a false confession.

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<v Speaker 5>Another thing Jed points out were false claims made by

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<v Speaker 5>prosecutor Patricia Fix as well as by police officers including

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<v Speaker 5>George Falenko, Scott Frost, and Charles Schlitz.

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<v Speaker 1>The state claims that when the police executed a search warrant,

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<v Speaker 1>they found address labels in Marnie's apartment. I've seen how

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<v Speaker 1>the police are trained to execute a search warrant and

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<v Speaker 1>how they in fact execute search warrants. They document everything.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no photograph of address labels. That struck me

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<v Speaker 1>as so curious.

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<v Speaker 5>Jed believes the address labels never existed, and the quote

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<v Speaker 5>unsent letters prosecutors said were found in Marnie's home were

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<v Speaker 5>very simply the letters that Marnie had also been receiving.

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<v Speaker 1>These police officers should not, must not, cannot be trusted,

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<v Speaker 1>and the fact that these labels were never photographed is

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<v Speaker 1>damning as to their reliability and truthfulness.

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<v Speaker 5>There was also evidence that was never presented at trial

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<v Speaker 5>that is exculpatory for Marnie, like the fingerprints which were

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<v Speaker 5>tested and did not match her. There was no evidence

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<v Speaker 5>of Marnie ever being at Ronnie's home. Marnie's new team

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<v Speaker 5>of experts also investigated other claims the state made it

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<v Speaker 5>including that her rental car was seen on a gas

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:06.280
<v Speaker 5>station surveillance camera near the crime scene.

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<v Speaker 1>They say in court, this video will capture a black

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<v Speaker 1>Volkswagen Rabbit, the very car that Marni Yang rented and

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<v Speaker 1>was driving in the neighborhood of the murder at the

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<v Speaker 1>time of the murder.

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<v Speaker 5>The post conviction defense team thought there might be something

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<v Speaker 5>amiss with that piece of evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we went to the Shell gas station, looked

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<v Speaker 1>at the video camera. And the truth is that, to

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<v Speaker 1>a reasonable degree of scientific certainty, a video expert viewing

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 1>that video says that car is not a Volkswagen Rabbit,

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<v Speaker 1>It is not the car that was rented by miss Yang,

0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 1>It is not even the same make or model of

0:29:56.080 --> 0:29:58.960
<v Speaker 1>the car as rented by miss Yang, and so the

0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 1>jury was misl led. The evidence is unreliable and wrong.

0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:13.880
<v Speaker 5>Marnie's experts also determined that it was unequivocally impossible for

0:30:13.960 --> 0:30:17.000
<v Speaker 5>Marnie to have created a homemade silencer for the gun

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 5>that killed Ronnie. They even had a firearms expert test

0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:24.440
<v Speaker 5>the prosecution's theory, but even with his extensive experience, the

0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:28.240
<v Speaker 5>expert could not physically build a silencer with those materials

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 5>to fit on the gun used to kill Ronnie.

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<v Speaker 1>The place theory that she used c clamps from home

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 1>depot to fix a silencer on a gun is foolishness.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't work. It cannot be made to work under

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<v Speaker 1>any circumstance.

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<v Speaker 5>The investigators also discovered roles of film taken at the

0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:58.960
<v Speaker 5>crime scene that were never developed. When they were the

0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:03.560
<v Speaker 5>photo showed bullet projectory patterns. Marnie's experts determined that at

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<v Speaker 5>just five feet, Marnie was not physically tall enough to

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<v Speaker 5>be the shooter. Witnesses descriptions the morning of the murder

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<v Speaker 5>also echoed the belief that it couldn't have been Marnie.

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:16.640
<v Speaker 5>Several people reported seeing a six foot tall black man

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:18.960
<v Speaker 5>in the area and even going up the stairs to

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:20.280
<v Speaker 5>Ronnie's apartment.

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:24.960
<v Speaker 1>And Marnie just so that everybody knows is a white

0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:27.320
<v Speaker 1>woman who is five feet tall.

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<v Speaker 5>So what about someone who better matches the description.

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<v Speaker 1>When we became miss Yang's lawyers, we asked for production

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<v Speaker 1>of the video surveillance tapes from a store next to

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<v Speaker 1>the barber shop to see if we could accurately determine

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<v Speaker 1>when Gail arrived and when he left.

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<v Speaker 5>Jed believes that pat Fix either lied or misled the

0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:01.160
<v Speaker 5>grand jury by saying Gail was out LeRoy's barber shop

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<v Speaker 5>at eight thirty am.

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<v Speaker 1>We determined that he arrived around ten o'clock, not eight thirty,

0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:11.080
<v Speaker 1>and we determined that he left somewhere after ten thirty.

0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 5>And in December of twenty twenty one, a new witness

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:20.280
<v Speaker 5>came forward with more pertinent information that again supported the

0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:28.280
<v Speaker 5>claim that someone other than Marnie was the perpetrator. Jed

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<v Speaker 5>and Marnie's team filed their most recent petition with all

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<v Speaker 5>of these details and more in December of last year.

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<v Speaker 5>In May twenty twenty two, the state submitted a motion

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<v Speaker 5>to dismiss their petition. The back and forth could go

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<v Speaker 5>on for months, and all the while Marnie will sit

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<v Speaker 5>in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>I firmly believe that Marni Yang is an innocent woman

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<v Speaker 1>languishing in jail for a crime she never committed. And

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<v Speaker 1>I firmly believe that the investoration and prosecution of her

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<v Speaker 1>case falls into a deep disturbing pattern of wrongful convictions

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<v Speaker 1>of innocent persons in Lake County, Illinois.

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<v Speaker 5>Prosecutor Patricia Fix is now a circuit court judge in

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<v Speaker 5>the nineteenth Judicial Court in Lake County, Illinois. After her conviction,

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<v Speaker 5>Marnie and her kids lost touch. Emily says she and

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<v Speaker 5>her mom did not speak for about eight years, and

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<v Speaker 5>do you guys have a relationship now?

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<v Speaker 1>We do.

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<v Speaker 2>We're as close as we can be. She calls me

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<v Speaker 2>her a happy place. I hope that we can heal

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<v Speaker 2>from this and her start her life again.

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<v Speaker 5>What would her starting her life again look like? Do

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<v Speaker 5>you have visions of of what you and your mom

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<v Speaker 5>and your brothers are doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Her cooking Thanksgiving dinner. My grandparents are there, and my

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<v Speaker 2>brothers and my best friend turkey stuffing, green bean castlele

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<v Speaker 2>sweet potatoes. My mom was the one always cooking and

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<v Speaker 2>we would always have it at her house. My mom

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<v Speaker 2>is innocent, and I hope that sooner rather than later,

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<v Speaker 2>we can connect in the physical together again.

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<v Speaker 5>Marnie also hopes that the truth will come out.

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<v Speaker 4>I did not commit this crime. I'm horrified by this crime,

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<v Speaker 4>and I never lose sight of the collateral damage that

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<v Speaker 4>this has impacted everybody, everybody. I want justice in this case,

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<v Speaker 4>for me, for Ronnie, and for everybody involved.

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<v Speaker 5>Marnie's children, Emily, Andrew and Brandon wrote a book about

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<v Speaker 5>their mom and her case. Searched the book, which is

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<v Speaker 5>called My Mom Marnie to learn more next time. On

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<v Speaker 5>Wrongful Conviction with Maggie Freeling, Tammy.

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<v Speaker 6>Poole, he kept reaching for the trigger and I had

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<v Speaker 6>my hands on the end of the barrel, and I

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<v Speaker 6>kept thinking, it's gonna shoot me, It's gonna shoot me,

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<v Speaker 6>and he he pussed your group.

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