1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Ron and Nanian. Cars are like life, and life is 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: like cheap underwear. You're never gonna want. It's gonna creep 3 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: up on you, and and it does when you least 4 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:14,079 Speaker 1: expect it. Boom, there it is in your face. The 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: Car Doctor. The last few weeks, I've definitely been a 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: hot topic on electric cars and and how you think 7 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: that they're definitely they're trying to push him to a 8 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: fast and I one of them to say, agree with you. 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to the radio home of Ron and Nanian the 10 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: Car Doctor, since this is where car owners the world 11 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If 12 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up the 13 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: phone and call in the garage to orders are open, 14 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: but I am here to take their calls at eight 15 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: five five six, and now he running. So you think 16 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: it's time for an electric vehicle? What could possibly go them? 17 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: Two thousand one. Toyota Prius came into the shop this 18 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: week at Oriota Motive. Yup, two thousand one. Now you 19 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: can sit there and say, gee, that's an old car, 20 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: but is it? It's twenty years old? But how many 21 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: of you have a fifteen to twenty year old car. 22 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: Raise your hand right in in the family or in 23 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:24,279 Speaker 1: the neighborhood. It's not that uncommon. Cars last a long time. 24 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: And this two thousand one Prius, which are pretty indestructible, 25 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: they seem to last a good long while, needs a battery, 26 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: not the hybrid battery, the auxiliary battery, the traditional battery, 27 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: if that's what you will understand, you know, the one 28 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: that we've always had a replace to make the car start, 29 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: the electrical battery in the rear of the vehicle. Well, 30 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: that battery is not available. You can't buy that battery 31 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: for love of money. Talked to Toyota, talked to every 32 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: one of my supply houses, talk to battery manufacturers. There 33 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: does not seem to be a battery for a two 34 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: thousand one Toyota Prius in the country. Toyota can't even 35 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: give me an availability date. Maybe two months, maybe I 36 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: might see it by May. What do you tell that person? 37 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: And Okay, it's a twenty year old vehicle. I get that, 38 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: But it's such a unique vehicle, just like most electric 39 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: vehicles will be such a unique vehicle. And this is 40 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: what I said was going to happen in that we 41 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 1: are going to create this uniqueness of environment and equipment, 42 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: that the similarity between a two thousand three perhaps in 43 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: a two thousand one doesn't carry over, or two thousand 44 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: one and a two thousand two, whatever it might be. 45 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: You know, you could take a group fifty one and 46 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 1: swap it in for a group battery where you had to. 47 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: If you had to. On the average car, there are 48 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: certain batteries that can interchange and swamp out. But for 49 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: whatever reason, this Prius has no cross reference, has no 50 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: it just doesn't exist. And the funny thing is there 51 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: is a tractor battery of some kind in the vehicle, 52 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: but it's not reliable. It doesn't start on a consistent basis, 53 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: it doesn't maintain charge, doesn't do what it's supposed to do. 54 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: And so obviously the owner wants to put the right battery. 55 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: And hey, you know, somebody wants to fix the car, right. 56 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: What a great idea, what a concept, But they can't. 57 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna put it out to you, guys. 58 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: Car Doctor Nation got a source two thousand one Toyota 59 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: Prius can't be hard. The auxiliary battery, somebody's got to 60 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: have one. I'm curious if you have one, or if 61 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: you know of one, shoot me a note ron at 62 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: Car Doctor Show dot Com. Number one. I'd like to 63 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: help the customer out numb. Two. I'd like to see 64 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: if there's something out there in the country. Maybe there's 65 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: a Toyota dealer with one and stop. Okay, but Toyota 66 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: showed zero stock, zero availability, and uh, it just it 67 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: just it just doesn't exist. And I thought, wow, you know, 68 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: where is this craziness gonna end? Because we're at the 69 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: beginning of it. This is clearly beginning of what I'll 70 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: call the electric car kaboom. Maybe it's not a boom, 71 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: maybe it's a ka boom because parts are going to 72 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: become an issue. We had an eighty five Toyota Corolla 73 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: in the shop this week. Five You heard me say 74 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: that correctly, okay, thirty six year old vehicle and the owner, 75 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: young man in his late twenties early thirties, Paul Is 76 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: he picked it up on eBay. It's he's gonna make 77 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: it a hot rod. Yeah. I know, I'm trying to 78 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: get him to understand, but you know what I don't. 79 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: I don't pick on somebody for their choice of love 80 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: of a car, you know, what everybody's got something that 81 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: turns their hot button. I understand all of it, well 82 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: almost all of it, and you know it's it's just 83 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: I had a cobble this car back together, but I 84 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: was able to I was able to get get by 85 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: the auxiliary idle valve that didn't exist. I was able 86 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: to find a mass airflow sensor. I found the last 87 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: mass airflow sensor or air mass meter is really what 88 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: it is on Corolla in the region. I was able 89 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: to find some of the last of the parts on 90 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: a almost forty year old car, but I can't find 91 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: a battery for a two thousand one Prius. I can 92 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: find all these odd little things for a gas engine 93 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: vehicle that's almost forty years old, all the obscure things 94 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: that and I was able to cobble the car together 95 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: and make it work. I was able to get him 96 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: to drive it home yesterday. He was such a happy camper, 97 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: zooming along on a gorgeous sunny day in New Jersey. 98 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: But I can't get a battery for a two thousand 99 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: one Prius. And it makes me wonder, you know, is 100 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: that it is at the cycle now we have to 101 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: scrap that car? Is that car gone, And how long 102 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: has that battery not been available? Because that car has 103 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: been running around with that incorrect battery that we know 104 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: of after talking to the vehicle owner for at least 105 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: at least eighteen months. A year and a half it's 106 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: been since it came up from Florida and the battery 107 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: was put in down in Florida some time ago. Now 108 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: we know the reason why. I'm not sure where this 109 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: is going. I'm just I'm concerned, as you should be too, 110 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: So you know, I'll leave you at this thought as 111 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: we kick off this hour of the car Doctor. Someone 112 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: born this year is probably not gonna have to go 113 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: for a driver's license. Someone born this year is probably 114 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: not going to start driving in an internal combustion engine vehicle. 115 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: They're just gonna know electric vehicles. And I asked myself, 116 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 1: starting to sound like my father might have what's that 117 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: kind of look like? God? How will they ever know 118 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: what the experience is that I've had? How will they connect? 119 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: How will we connect? How will it affect society? God? 120 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: I'm getting old in any event, just something to be 121 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: aware of. But think about it common everyday parts, Maybe 122 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: they're not going to be so common, and maybe they're 123 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: not gonna be so every day. Hello and welcome Ron 124 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: Andiney in the car. Doctor here. I'm glad to have 125 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: your board, and I want to thank you for taking 126 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: the time to stop by. I see Tom Ray is 127 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: clear cut in my brandy new spanking brandy new studio cam. 128 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: Oh boy, oh boy. So it's been great up till now. 129 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: But now they can see you. Yeah, now it's good. 130 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: Now it's a good thing. Well, should we tell everybody 131 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: why we why we did this? We've been trying to 132 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: do this for a while, and we finally figured out, 133 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: you know, we were overthinking it. Well, we need to 134 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: get one of these, and one of the said one 135 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: it is, and we just got up point two cameras 136 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: were done. Yeah, and up on Facebook. We're done. But 137 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: the reason we did it was we had a little 138 00:07:56,040 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: issue last week where um, the internet on my side 139 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: of the glass over here went away, and so did we. 140 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: And you know, Tom, I don't like to think of 141 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: that as an incident. I like I like to think 142 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: of that as you know, if you've seen The Sopranos, 143 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: it was that moment in the Sopranos when Tony sitting 144 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: in the in the ice cream parlor and all of 145 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: a sudden the screen went blank. It was it was 146 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: forever in car doctor history will be known as that 147 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: Tony Soprano event because it was just like, all of 148 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: a sudden, we were there and then all of a 149 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: sudden we weren't playing no And I'm going Tom, So 150 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: in any event, we've we've taken some we've taken some 151 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: action to circumvent that, you know, And that's um in 152 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: a way, Tom, that was sort of like working on 153 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: cars in a way, we've you know, how do you 154 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: deal with that? We never thought we'd we never even 155 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: dreamed anything like that could happen where I'd have a 156 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: connection and you wouldn't. And I guess it's it's like 157 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 1: fixing an odd bowl car, right. You sort of learned 158 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: something that you know, and there's the learning curve, um, 159 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: and away we go, right, And it was kind of 160 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: like it was kind of like fixing cars. From the 161 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: standpoint that I used every four letter word in my 162 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: vocabulary during that sixty second time frame. I don't know 163 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: any four letter words, Tom. I'm a I'm a good boy. 164 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: So let me let me pull over and take a pause. 165 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: Your your halo is supported by your horns. That's right, 166 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: as long as nobody can see those were in good shape. 167 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: Let me pull over, take a pause. When we come back, 168 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: we'll get over to Steven and San Diego and see 169 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: what's going out California way. I'm Ronanini in the car, 170 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: doctor Tom Ray, executive producer. Will both be back right 171 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: after this when you get keep Ron's number hand eight 172 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: five five five six zero nine nine zero zero for 173 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: when you really need advice on your car's Hey, let's 174 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: get all the Steven in San Diego and talking about 175 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: his thirteen explorer Steven, Welcome aboard, sir, How can I help? Hello? 176 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: Last week you talked about forty explorers. You said they 177 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: need t to use, they need water pumps and other 178 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: than that, pretty good cars. It's a pretty major surgery. 179 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: But I've done my PPU and now I have a 180 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: p zero zero one, so now you can do the 181 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: water pump when you do the timing chain right, and 182 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: then what should my expectation be on how much that's 183 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: gonna take money wise? I looked at the technical service, 184 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: but it turns about those timing chains and phases and stuff. 185 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: This is like ten hours, um? Is that correct? I'd 186 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: be looking at more. It's it's ten hours on a 187 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: good day if you've done the job a few times. 188 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: And it's also some specialty tools. If you're planning to 189 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: do it yourself. You know, when you've got to have 190 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: the capacity. You've got a lift at home, you've got 191 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: a workspace at home. You're not doing this in a 192 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: parking lot and in front of an apartment building. Right, Well, 193 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it myself happy time. I'd 194 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: like to, but we're gonna have to pay someone twenty 195 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: five hours a hundred and eighty bucks an hour, so 196 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: I left. Yeah, no, you're probably well, I know the 197 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 1: job this way in North Jersey dollars all right, and 198 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: I have to quote it that way because I don't 199 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: know what you know. I know, the labor rate for 200 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 1: the dealer that I'm thinking of here in North Jersey 201 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 1: is a hundred and thirty five an hour, So a 202 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: d thirty five an hour to do a water pump, 203 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: a timing chain and the guides and the accessory rollers, cooling, 204 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera is about thirty bucks. So you know, 205 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: there's probably eight hundred in parts there. So back it 206 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 1: out that way, So it's probably labor at a hundred 207 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: and thirty. That's that's probably close to twenty hours. That 208 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: seems to be the number. Yeah, it's quite a bit 209 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: of work. It's it's quite a bit of work. It is. 210 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: It is the week link on a ford before we 211 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: jump the gun and just go right to a timing chain. 212 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about P double O one 213 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: six UM P double O one six is setting because 214 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: the e c U is seeing an incorrect relationship in 215 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: cam timing between the cam and the cranks. Brocket if 216 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: if if you were to look at the v C 217 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: T pit where the valve timing uh solenoid I'm sorry, 218 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: the valves um the valve timing solioid, right, the val 219 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: timing solenoid for cylinder one, compared it to two and 220 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: then compared it to the rest of it, you're probably 221 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: gonna see one shows something other than zero in terms 222 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: of the value. And that's because it's picking up the 223 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,719 Speaker 1: slop of the chain as it's coming around, and it's 224 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 1: showing the cam advanced or retarded against the other bank 225 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: when it's not supposed to be. And that's how the 226 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 1: code sets. The second guy that took it to he 227 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: he decided to change one of the sense I guess 228 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: it's the bank one sense that um so right now 229 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: it doesn't have the code, so I'm enjoying that, but 230 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 1: I'm really expecting it to come back on. Are you there? 231 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: Are you the original owner? Stephen? Yes? Okay? Have you 232 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: been good about your oil changes religiously it's gone to 233 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: the four dealer every time, the little because they it 234 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 1: needs to and and this is the V six correct, 235 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 1: I didn't ask that question. It's the Yeah, it's the 236 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: sports that has the turbos, right, um and and the turbos, 237 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 1: you know, the turbos are great, they build a lot 238 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: of power. The problem is, and I would encourage you 239 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: to let the dealer or someone that's done the job 240 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: before to do it because getting the turbos apart, the 241 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: exhaust manifolds are going to be brittle from heat from 242 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: all the heat cycles hot and cold and up and down, 243 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: off and on and depending upon weather conditions and environment 244 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: in San Diego compared to what I've seen in New Jersey, 245 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: you know, getting the turb bos in the manifolds apart 246 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: is going to be a major ordeal. And you know 247 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 1: you want to allow them the time. The other thing 248 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: you want to consider is when they've got it apart. 249 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: There is an oil feed line coming off both turbos 250 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: that bolts one one end goes to the engine obviously, 251 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: the other engine is the oil feed to the turbo itself. 252 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: Take a look at those when you get them apart. 253 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: The oil feed lines to the turbos. If they're rusted 254 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: or cruddy or beat up in any kind of condition, 255 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: change them. That's the moment. You know, Um, what I 256 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: would tell you is before you do this. So the 257 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: vehicle's got what I'm gonna assume a hundred thousand miles 258 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: on it. So at eighty thousand miles, let's let's play 259 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: the game. The vehicle is eight years old. My door 260 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: want math, right, So it's eight years old. With eight um, 261 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: you've you've had the PTU issue. You solve that. You're 262 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: gonna go through timing chain and water pump. You know, 263 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: if two years from now this vehicle needed a trans 264 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: and you had to put a trans in it, you 265 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: know where I'm going, right, and it's it's five grand. 266 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: Well that's what both sagtage you said. They're like, oh yeah, 267 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: this might be the timing chain, in which case you 268 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: should buy a new car. Well, no, see what I'm 269 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: see now, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, you 270 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: know what you're getting into because so it's five grand 271 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: for that, Let's say it's five grand for the chain. 272 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: Five grands a nice round number, all right, um, And 273 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: you know part of that is is somebody out there 274 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: just now on the show just went because they're hearing 275 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: five grand, right, you know, we throw five grand around 276 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: like it was, like it's twenty bucks. But the fact 277 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: is to replace that car today with something comparable. And 278 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: I don't care what you bought. I don't care if 279 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: it's a Ford Explorer XLT or Platinum or Alexis you 280 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: know r X three fifty or whatever, something of that 281 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: size value, you know, luxury level of ride, et cetera. 282 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: That's a sixty dollar car today. And you know, if 283 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: done properly, so you're gonna put five grand in it now, 284 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: You're gonna put five grand in it in two years. 285 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: But you didn't have two years of payments. You didn't 286 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: have because I assume the car is paid for right 287 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: by now, right, you know it's it's properly maintained. You know, 288 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: for years, I've always spouted the it's a d and 289 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: twenty five dollars a month to maintain a car, because 290 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: that's what I read in the trends and the reports. 291 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: And then the more exotic the car get so, the 292 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: more high level, so to speak. And I think the 293 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: easiest way I used to describe it was if it 294 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: was European thinking BMW, Jaguar, Outie, Mercedes. You know, you 295 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: could spend too to fifty a month to maintain those cars. 296 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: But look at the level of ride, look at what 297 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: the car cost. There's nothing you can buy today. And 298 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: I know this is a a silly statement, but it's true, 299 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: and it has to be said. There's nothing you can 300 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: buy today that that's easier, free or cheap to keep right, 301 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: it's it's always gonna take something. Um. I think the 302 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: part like to think it doesn't bust half the transmission 303 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: and half the energine after now, right, and I and 304 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: I don't think it will either. I'm just trying to 305 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: prepare for the you know, we're we're having the heart attack, 306 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: what if we need hip surgery after the fact. I 307 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: just want us prepared all right, mentally, all right. My 308 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: point becomes that to replace that vehicle is today sixty grand, 309 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: what will it be in two years It'll be seventy um. 310 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: Uh so just just be mildly aware of Stephen Um. 311 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: I would go back and ask for a breakout from 312 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: the dealership of parts where they normally put in it. 313 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: What could he know? What could you normally expect the 314 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: turbos to do? In terms of cost? It's obviously going 315 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: to add a few dollars, and you want to look 316 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: at the complete package and get it didn't get it 317 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: done properly. Good luck to you. I'm here if you 318 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: need more, I'm run an any in the car doctor, 319 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: We'll be back right after this. Welcome back, We're on 320 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 1: any of the car doctor. Let's get over to us 321 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: Alan Long Island with a Dodge Journey and some problems 322 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: with a no start. Welcome to the car doctors. Sure, 323 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: how can I help? Yeah? So I got this car, 324 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: I drove it home, parked it in the driveway. Uh, 325 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: you know, went got registered. I want to use it 326 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: just as a local runner. You know it's it's got 327 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: a hundred forty four thousand miles on it. But the 328 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: body in the interior is perfect, right, So I go 329 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: to start the car after all right, I get the 330 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 1: registration and the car won't start. It just won't start. 331 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: It'll it'll like kick, but it won't start. So we 332 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: were farted around that. I had a mechanic comedy scan it. 333 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: He said there was a problem with corrosion in the 334 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: relay box, so he cleaned that up and then he said, 335 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I can get communication through the od B 336 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: and it there's nothing coming up. But yet the car 337 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't start. Now subsequently, like since last week when I 338 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: called you, I, um, I remember that I had put 339 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: batteries in the key fobs. So I took the batteries 340 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: out of both key fops and then the car started 341 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: right up. So I'm thinking that it was like you know, 342 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: a wind module. Well back up a minute. Her el 343 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: is it that it wouldn't crank or it wouldn't start, 344 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't start, so it would crank. Yeah, if it cranked, 345 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: then the key fob had communication and it's not a 346 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: key fob, it's called a phobic. Your phobic was okay? 347 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: All right? Um, Everything everything with christ or like everything 348 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: else today is is you know, abbreviations, but they call 349 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: it the fob with integrated key or a phobic. What 350 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: happens is the phobic has to talk to the WIND 351 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: which is the wireless ignition node node and O D 352 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: E inside the vehicle um as part of the function 353 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: that hey al wants to start the car. Start the car. 354 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: So you've got a button in the dash, You've got 355 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: a slot where you insert the key slot. So if 356 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: it cranked, now this could be a communication fault with 357 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: the phobic in that the WIN or the the wireless 358 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: ignition node lost communication capability. Where I would have gone 359 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: is did he look at just O B D two 360 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: for code or did you to a complete scan of 361 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: the vehicle okay and only and he came up with 362 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: no codes okay, So if there was a communication problem 363 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: with the key, it would have said faults in the 364 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: body computer or the scream which is part of the 365 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: anti theft system. So if it happens again, what I 366 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: would tell you to do is have your mechanic look 367 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: at the scream which is the anti theft and have 368 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: him look specifically for there's gonna be a pit parameter 369 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: I D piece of information there that says valid skim 370 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: key yes or no, or yes or true. It should 371 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: show yes, yes or true, depending upon the sot he 372 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 1: already did that it does say it does say valid. Okay. 373 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: If it says valid, then this this isn't a fault 374 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: with the key right. But the problem is with the 375 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: batteries out of the key pop, I have to open 376 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: the door with the key. The car starts. If I 377 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: put the fop back in. The batteries back in the key, pop, 378 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: the car start. Are the keys pro are the keys 379 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense? Or the keys programmed to 380 00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: the vehicle properly? I know? So, so you're telling me, 381 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: with the batteries out of the fobs, now the car starts, yeah, okay, 382 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: So no lights on the dance, no check engine and 383 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: anything starts perfect okay. And then when I got that, 384 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: when I bought the car, the key fob batteries were dead. 385 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: It wouldn't open the door. Then I've got to then 386 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: I've got to think somehow, somehow you've erased the programming 387 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: for the fobs. It's gotta be, okay, it's it's gotta be. Um. 388 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: So now you've got to go through. But where the 389 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: fob's working prior to you taking the batteries in and 390 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: out no back up here. So so the fobs have 391 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: never worked. They've always started the car. Yeah yeah, actually, 392 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: and let me give you one other piece of information. 393 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: When I first opened the car door open it with 394 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: the key, the horn would honk. And then I put 395 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: the key in the ignition and the horns stopped honking. Okay, 396 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: because it's seeing an anti theft event. It's seeing that 397 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: because it doesn't it doesn't see the far in terms 398 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: of function for that it's nearer or programmed to that vehicle. 399 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: I bet you those fobs aren't programmed to that vehicle, 400 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: or they're not programmed correctly. There's there's something. There's something 401 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: amiss with the way that vehicle is recognizing those keys. Okay, good. 402 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: Do you think that if I would then had a 403 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: key fob made by the NU number that that would 404 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 1: fick would work? No, What I would do is I 405 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: would take both keys, take it to somebody that has 406 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: locksmith capability and ask them to verify a the keys 407 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: or program to the car, and that be if you 408 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: put batteries in it, they can run a functional test 409 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: to see do the fobs themselves work? You got this 410 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 1: car used? Do both fobs will both keys start the 411 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: car if you put it in the slot. Yeah, okay, yeah, 412 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: let's start with programming. Let's do some basic locksmith programming 413 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: and work your way out from there. All right, Why 414 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: don't those fobs work because that that defies logic, all right, sir? Yeah, 415 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: And putting the batteries in in the car completely goes 416 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: back to not starting right because now it's reading the fobs. 417 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: Because now it's reading the fobs. So let's let's let's 418 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: what are those programmed correctly? And since this is a 419 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: used car with no history, we've got to you know, 420 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: we've got to think that something is uh something is 421 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: amiss here. So um yeah, let's let's do it that way, 422 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: all right, kiddo. Okay, great, thank you, you're very welcome. 423 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: You'd be well, because otherwise someone tell me win module 424 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: and scrap the car. It's gonna cost too much more. 425 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: Let's not, you know, let's not let's not let's not 426 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: go there. Let's you know, let's wait in terms of 427 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: u UM, let's get a diagnosed, all right, kiddo. Okay, great, 428 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: thank you, you're very welcome. Be well. Let's let's get 429 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: on over and go to uh um where we're going 430 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: next time, let's go to Kennan, Wisconsin. The saber Ken 431 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: Welcome aboard, sir, How can I help, yes, sir. Yeah, 432 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: that when you're going to start the car up, it's 433 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: almost like you're leaving the key I too long. It's 434 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: did the starter grind a little bit? You can hear it. 435 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: You can hear drid and then the starter and after 436 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: the car started there you can hear um. It's metal 437 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: to metal like it's continued like a not a paying. 438 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: It's a loud noise. It almost sounds like you're describing 439 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: like the starter drive is stuck on? Is it? Is 440 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: it a noise similar to if the vehicle were running 441 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: and you went to start it. You're hearing that mechanical 442 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: clash as if you read that, that's how That's how 443 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: it sounds when I try to start the car. Yeah, 444 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: and then after then after it starts, the starter drive 445 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: or it's it almost sounds like the starter drive staying 446 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: out and it's catching a fly, right, That's what I'm 447 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: thinking it's doing. And one that what we did is 448 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: that we I thought it might have been something else 449 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: because the power steering Polly was was loose or you 450 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: had a little play in it. So actually I replaced 451 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 1: the power steering thing, but it didn't do nothing. But 452 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: when you start the car without the belt on, it 453 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 1: doesn't grind, It doesn't make no noise. When you start 454 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: the car without the belt on, the starter doesn't make noise. Yeah, 455 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: the starter doesn't make any doesn't grind, and then then 456 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: that noise afterwards it's not there. Well, that doesn't make 457 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: any sense. Is this Is this a full moon show? 458 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: It's got to be. I've had two calls in a 459 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: row that make no sense to me. So my first 460 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: question would be, is it Is it a charging issue? 461 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: All right? It's charging? Well, no, is it? It's got 462 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: to have something to do with the only thing you're 463 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: disabling when you take the belt off the vehicle is 464 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: you're disconnecting and disabling the UM Well let's see now, No, 465 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: actually there's two things you're doing there. If we really 466 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: want to get crazy, and I'll play the game you're doing. 467 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: You know, see what the charging rate is? Charging rate 468 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: with the belt on running the cars probably a little 469 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: over fourteen vaults if you unplugged the alternator and start 470 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: the car, So now it's not charging. Does the problem 471 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: go away? If the problem doesn't go away. It doesn't 472 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: have anything to do with the alternator charging or not charging. 473 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna tell you somehow that belt is pulling 474 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: the crank forward and changing the position of the flywheel 475 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: and relation to the starter. But boy, that's a reach. 476 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: There's gotta be some wicked endplay in that crank for 477 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: it to do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand what 478 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 1: you mean there, all right, So maybe what you want 479 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: to do is with the belt off up in the air, 480 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,719 Speaker 1: if you can get a find a spot and just 481 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: you know, give the crank a tug. You know, does 482 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,239 Speaker 1: it look like it's exceeding its endplay? Because think about it, 483 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: what else is there? We've either got a mechanical interference 484 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: or a mechanical clash, or we've got an electrical issue. 485 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 1: And I can't see electrically why a starter would work 486 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: better with less voltage. That that that that doesn't add up. 487 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: So I had the belt off when we like to say, 488 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: when I replaced the Parler steering pump because of the 489 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: polly and the Parler steering pump was right well, and 490 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: I thought maybe that's it, But that wasn't all right. 491 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: So is the belt still off. Yes, okay, So you 492 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: know with the belt off, why don't you give a 493 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: tug to the uh why don't you give a tug 494 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: to the uh crank pulley? Just look at endplay? Are 495 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: you changing position that much? And then after that, go 496 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: and look at voltage. But you're looking for a reason 497 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: why it occurs like that, and uh, you know, we'll 498 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,719 Speaker 1: kind of we'll kind of go from there and call 499 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 1: me back next week and you can let me know 500 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: what's what's going on. All right, kiddo, good deal. I'm 501 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: ring any of the Car Doctor. We're back right after this. 502 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: Welcome back. We're on any of the Car Doctor here 503 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: at five zero zero, rolling along this hour. Let's go 504 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: over to John in Virginia, Tacoma. John, we'll come to 505 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: the car Doctor, sir, how can I help? Hey? Car 506 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: doctor Tacoma has got two six thousand miles on it. 507 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: Wait for developing, wait wait for wait for just broken 508 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: in brother, Go ahead, exactly. We're just getting started here. 509 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: I had another Tacoma was four before I sold it 510 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: and didn't use a drop of oil. So this one 511 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,959 Speaker 1: I loved. The machine is starting to develop. The shutter 512 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: and fift gear um around fifty originally, Now it persists 513 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: up to about fifty five. I go faster than that, 514 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: it subsides. But interestingly enough, let's say fifty three. If 515 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: I have that shutter and fifth gear and I downshift 516 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: into fourth, it completely goes away. So the shutter is 517 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: unique to fifth gear. So I never had anything like 518 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: this and any transmission. So it's safe to say it's 519 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: really it's not speed related. It's load related, right. It's 520 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: it's how the engine is is handling the load. So 521 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: because you're telling me, let's let's let's use a round 522 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: number at fifty five an hour, it's got to shake 523 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: in fifth. You down shift a fourth and bring it 524 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: back up the fifty five, it'll shake again, right, it's 525 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: speed related. Um, if I remain a fourth and go 526 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: up to fifty five, there's no shake at all. It's 527 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: only when I swishing a fIF gear at that you 528 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: can see it, right, So what what's the dynamic that changed? 529 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: Is not speed? It's engine load and rpm. So the 530 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: question is at that same rpm load in a lower 531 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: gear at a lesser speed with the engine with the 532 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: vehicle shake like that? No, okay, so it's it's it's 533 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: only at oh let's say m in fifth gear or 534 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: fifty five Yeah, something like that. So one of the 535 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: thoughts that would go through my mind there's an there's 536 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: a dynamic, there's a harmonic vibration here that's low level 537 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: that that you can't you know, you can't see it, 538 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: you're just experiencing it. Is it that do we have? 539 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: Do we have rock hard engine and transmount? And that's 540 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: a reach. I agree, Um, I'm just talking off the 541 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: top of my head. One of the first things I'd 542 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: love to see is I'd love to see if I 543 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: have the ability on a scan tool where fuel trim, 544 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: how it changes and where it goes. I'd also like 545 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: to see calculated load value, which is a measurement of 546 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: air intake coming into the engine. And you know, if 547 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: I could duplicate that in other words, evenly, got two 548 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: instruments in front of you, right, You've got RPM and 549 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: UH speed miles per hour? Can I can I get 550 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: more data with a scan tool? Can I prove that 551 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:56,719 Speaker 1: it at at this thing is shaking, it's got you know, 552 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: SI calculated load and fuel trim showing you know, leaner 553 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: than normal. You know? Is that telling me something? Because 554 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about at this age and mileage. And 555 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: I'm assuming, which is a dangerous word. You know, spark 556 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: plugs are good. This is an ignition misfire. This isn't 557 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: the beginning of an ignition miss or something like that. 558 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: What we're getting into is perhaps we need, maybe we 559 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: need to do some fuel system maintenance. And it probably 560 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't be a bad idea two nine thousand miles right 561 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: to uh maybe do something a little Barryman fuel system 562 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: cleaning and throttle body stuff just to kind of cover 563 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: the bases. So um, I'll tell you what, John, Stay 564 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: put John, stay right where you are. Let me just 565 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: put you on hold. Let me pull over, take a 566 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: pause and come back and we'll finish up. I'm on 567 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: any in the car. Doctor, We're back right after this. 568 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: Welcome back on an end of car doctor. John, you're 569 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: still there, sir, I am here. You know, we roll 570 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: out with some high level of certainty that this is 571 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: an engine related shake versus transmission. Well, you know what, 572 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: It's funny, I was thinking, I was, I was thinking 573 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: about that during the break. I don't see why it 574 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: would be trans because why doesn't it do it in 575 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: fifth gear at forty Well it does oh it does. 576 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: It does. Yeah, I don't, and generally you don't want 577 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: to unless there's no load and I'm coasting. I would 578 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: used to use fift gear just as an economy never underload. 579 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: Of course, that wait untill I get up to higher speed. 580 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: But it does. It starts at goodness forty and it 581 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: will persist up to fifty five and then it kind 582 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: of weaned up the fifty five. Can we just for giggles, 583 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: if we want to eliminate things, let's get away from 584 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: what it's doing to tell me what's good or bad 585 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: on the vehicle. Have you pulled the drive shaft just 586 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: to look at the joints? Yes, I pulled the drive shaft. 587 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: Had it rebounced, and we replaced one of the one 588 00:33:55,280 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: of the joints was the joint bad. Just slightly checked 589 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: the hangar bearing and replace the hangar bearing as well, 590 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: so in the trash alf was rebalanced. So we got 591 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,800 Speaker 1: that out of the equator. And and the drive shaft 592 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: is straight obviously, because you know there's a difference between 593 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: straight and balanced and so forth. Good, So you've eliminated 594 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: the drive shaft, so you know, if there's no faults 595 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: in the engine at that point, and it does it 596 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 1: from forty on up. I just wonder about it being 597 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: a mount. Is the mount? Is the mount really hard? John? 598 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 1: Is it rock hard and dried out at this mileage? 599 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 1: Real quick? Tell me how about the I'm gonna chut 600 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: that out and get back to you, all right, get 601 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: back to me, call me next week and we'll kind 602 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: of go over it from there. Um. But yeah, let's 603 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: just consider the mount. Could the mount be the issue? 604 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: I'm running any in the car? Doctor? Thanks for stopping 605 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: by this hour Until the next time. Remember, good mechanics 606 00:34:49,120 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: aren't expensive, They're priceless. See you. She was staring sp