1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 2 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 2: You know, Paul McCartney. They said that he really wanted 3 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 2: to do it. And that's who I'm waiting for, is Paul. 4 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 2: I want to talk about when he came over to 5 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 2: my house and what happened when he came over and 6 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 2: we sang at the piano together and Elton John, you know, 7 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 2: I mean Elton John picked me up and put me 8 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: back in my crib when I was a toddler. That's 9 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: the thing that's so cool is I've got these stories 10 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 2: because of my life. 11 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Taking a Walk podcast, the podcast where 12 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: Buzz Night talks with musicians and gets the inside story 13 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 1: about their careers, their latest projects, and their passions. On 14 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: this episode, Carnie Wilson joins buzz to talk about her 15 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: TV show on Access Sounds Delicious, her father Brian Wilson's influence, 16 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: and her musical career with Wilson Phillips. Carney has not 17 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: only been a musician, but over the years, she's appeared 18 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: on multiple television shows as an actor a host, including 19 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: on E and Entertainment Tonight. Carney Wilson joins Buzz Night 20 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: next on Taking a Walk. 21 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 3: Carnie Wilson, how is your dad. 22 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: Doing he's doing very well. It's his birthday today, and 23 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: he's doing great. He's just you know, he's getting older, 24 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 2: and every day there's a new little surprise, little you know, 25 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 2: there's there's moving forward, there's setbacks, there's all kinds of stuff. 26 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: And I guess that's just how we are in life. 27 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 2: So he's so loved and he knows that, and and 28 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 2: I really I think he's improving. I think he's doing great. 29 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 3: How did growing up with your dad shape your musical 30 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 3: journey and aspirations? 31 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, my parents divorced when I was young, 32 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: so I have I have quite a few memories, and 33 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: there's a lot of special ones. And depending on how 34 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: like how I am, you know, like mentally that day 35 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: or or spiritually that day, often I reflect, you know, 36 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: and when I'm feeling shitty or just feeling like, I 37 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: don't know, impatient, or in self pity or something like that, 38 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: then I tend to think about negative things. And then 39 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 2: when I'm trying to pick myself out of a funk 40 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 2: or you know, just kind of feeling a little more inspired, 41 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: then I'll think about good times there. And just like 42 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: anyone in any family, you know, I don't think it 43 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 2: matters if you come from a musical family, a family 44 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: of doctors, a family of plumbers, of family, you know, 45 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 2: a secretaries. It's just like every family has some dysfunction. 46 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: And the one thread I think was music and that 47 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: we all feel and we're all tied together by each 48 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 2: member of my family. So music was very important to 49 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: our whole family, our whole lives. And I was you know, 50 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: I heard in the womb and grew up with it 51 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 2: and it was kind of like an arrow I was following, 52 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 2: just like this is what I have to do. I know, 53 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 2: I know, this is my calling. And there were a 54 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: lot of wonderful influences. 55 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 3: You know, as someone who's had personal struggles, how important 56 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 3: has music been in helping you through those challenges? 57 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's that's a great that's a great question. 58 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: And it's it's it's more like a for me, it's 59 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 2: like a statement. You know. It's like music helps you 60 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 2: get through the good times and the bad times. It's 61 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: like you music is healing, you know, especially harmony for me, 62 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: So when I want to feel spiritual or grounded or 63 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: calm and serene, you know, I put on the eagles 64 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: and or or any group that has beautiful harmonies Steely 65 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: Dan and Dewy brother as the Beach Boys, you know, 66 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: and I listened to the harmony and I just I 67 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: feel or you know, Little River Band, you know, and 68 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 2: I feel like like something's being like connected again, you know. 69 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 2: And it doesn't mean that it's the answer every time, 70 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 2: but there's definitely a there's definitely a place that it's 71 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: a purpose that that it serves. And it's usually to 72 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: help lift my spirits, or it's usually to call me, 73 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: or it's usually or or it can be just like 74 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 2: you know, when I'm cooking and I put on like 75 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 2: to be fifty twos and then I start, you know, 76 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 2: dancing around my kitchen and start like you know, singing 77 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: and feeling happy. Or I blasted in my car, you know, 78 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 2: I love love blasting music in my car. I mean, 79 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: you got to be careful with like you know, fire 80 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 2: rages or anything like that. But like, I play my 81 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 2: music really fucking loud in my car because I have 82 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 2: a great stereo and I love to hear it blasting. 83 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: I love the bass. I want to hear it. I 84 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: want to feel it in my butt sheeks, you know 85 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 2: what I mean. 86 00:04:59,560 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 3: I love. 87 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: That's really weird to say. 88 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 3: I think it's sensational to say, you know, you have 89 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 3: this knack. I've observed you through your media career, your 90 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 3: television career. I've observed it with Sounds Delicious, the New Show. 91 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 3: You have this knack for making your guests and those 92 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 3: around you comfortable. Who did you learn this from? 93 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 2: Well, that's nice of you to say, but I don't know. 94 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it goes back to like actually 95 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 2: like childhood, like being being the person that was like 96 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: teased and bullied and you know, made to feel like 97 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: I was there was something wrong with me because I 98 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: was overweight. For real, I really think that it was 99 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: self taught because my mom is very warm and very 100 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: open and you know, and we are as a family. 101 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: Because it's just personalities too, I mean, I mean, when 102 00:05:58,400 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: you come down to when it comes down to it, 103 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: it's just personality, right. Some people are more shy and outgoing, 104 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 2: and some people also have the ability to read people. 105 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: And I do think I have that ability. But at 106 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: the same time, I think it's it's about like I 107 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 2: want to feel accepted and comfortable, and so I want 108 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 2: that for other people. I tend to like full First off, 109 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 2: I overanalyze everything, so like I might think I know 110 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,799 Speaker 2: the answer, like, oh, I know how that person's feeling 111 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: because I can tell by it to look in their 112 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 2: eyes or their body language, you know, And so I 113 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: assess it, and then I'm like, well, what's the situation here? 114 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: Are we like having are we just having a conversation 115 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 2: at a party? Are we at dinner? Are we at 116 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: a workplace? Are we having fun? Are we? And it's like, 117 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 2: for me, it's just about connection. I really ultimately think 118 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 2: that I crave, I crave and I yearn you know, 119 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 2: to like connect with people because everybody has like special 120 00:06:55,640 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 2: qualities and I love learning from people and taking them 121 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 2: in and really like seeing like everybody's individual, but we're 122 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 2: kind of all the same. It's a trip. 123 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 3: But you're a good listener also, I. 124 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: Mean I try to be. I've learned that through my sobriety. 125 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: I've learned that through maturity, having children, you know, because 126 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: I know, and my husband, my husband, because because he 127 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: would we would argue we've been married for almost twenty 128 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: five years or twenty four years, and like we he 129 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: would say to me, you're not listening to me, and 130 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: I'd be like well, wait a minute, maybe I'm not, 131 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 2: you know, and so I'd have to shut up, shut 132 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: my fucking pie hole, you know, and take a breath 133 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: and like say, geez, I am not. I'm trying to 134 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 2: get my point across, and I'm driving it into I'm 135 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 2: like drilling it into into his trying to drill it 136 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: in his brain. But it's not fair, like he has 137 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: a point interview, It's not fair to be selfish like that, 138 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 2: you know. So listening to other people is I think 139 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: the opposite of being selfish. It's easy to do. It's 140 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: easy to be me, me, me, me, you know, and 141 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: being your own, your own feelings. But having children as well, 142 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: I mean it's like I think, I know it's best 143 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 2: for them, and they are their own person, and I 144 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 2: have to learn from them and listen to them too. 145 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 3: Who are some interviewers or hosts that have had an 146 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 3: impact and an influence on you? 147 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: Interviewers are hosts? That's a hard question. I've never been 148 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: asked that question, and I probably would need more time 149 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 2: with that one. Truthfully, I've done hundreds of interviews, and 150 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 2: hundreds I think when I talk with people that are 151 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 2: mothers or their or their alcoholics you know, I think 152 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 2: I definitely relate to people like that because they're like 153 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: they're like the most challenging thing ever. 154 00:08:58,600 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: You know. 155 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: Sobriety is challenging, motherhood is challenging. But I don't know, 156 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 2: I have to think about that more. I think, how. 157 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 3: About three quintessential albums that have impacted you to this day? 158 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: Oh god, that's hard. That is almost an unfair question. Okay, four, 159 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 2: I have such a My taste in music is so 160 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 2: it's so vast, you know, there's just I love. Okay, 161 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 2: So the B fifty two is the first record that 162 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 2: one for sure dances. Mess Around is like like like 163 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 2: a ridiculous song that completely blows my mind and rock 164 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 2: lobster like turned me up upside down and still does 165 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 2: I love pet sounds. I know that sounds like it's 166 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 2: totally expected for me to say that, But when I 167 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 2: listen to that record, I don't listen to it for 168 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 2: like the I listened to it because it's so so 169 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: deep and uh, oh god, this is really hard. 170 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 3: It is hard making choices. I agree. 171 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, you know, like I love we 172 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 2: could just say like the best of so, you know, 173 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 2: I mean Asia by Steely Dan that's another whopper. I 174 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 2: love the Dowie Brothers so much and and I love Heart. 175 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean there's there, there are, there are 176 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: a lot of records Diva, Andy Lennox, Diva. That whole 177 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: album is like off, It's off the scale, just production wise, sonically, 178 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: her voice, the songwriting, her singing. I mean, Diva is 179 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 2: to me, it was just it just was like it 180 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: just transcends, you know. 181 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 3: So talk about how Wilson Phillips was was formed and 182 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 3: how you all decided to get that signature, your sound 183 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 3: that was and is Wilson Phillips. 184 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 2: Well, I was out of high school and I was 185 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 2: I made a decision to not go to college, made 186 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 2: a decision to jump into the industry as an actress. 187 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 2: But I was obsessed with singing in harmony and I 188 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: was a stoner. 189 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: I was. 190 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 2: I was really like I just wanted to party. I 191 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 2: wanted to smoke pod all day, all day long and 192 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 2: just like listen to music. And the CD had just 193 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 2: came out and it was an unbelievable sound. And I 194 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 2: was just really like really in a party, party, party phase. 195 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 2: But I was very obsessed with music, and you know, 196 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 2: China and when and I have always been friends since 197 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 2: you know, birth, so it was natural to see each other, 198 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: but we hadn't seen each other in a while, a 199 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 2: few years, I think, And there was an idea to 200 00:11:54,880 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 2: do a charity record with some other sixties artists kids, 201 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 2: and only a few people wanted to do it. And 202 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: it was Wendy, China and Mama Cass's daughter, and we 203 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: all kind of sat around and you know, we take 204 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: in between our bong hits, we just like would listen 205 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: to like Stevie Nicks and Heart and and we China 206 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 2: didn't even know how to sing harmony, and it was 207 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: I was really like obsessed with like getting everybody like, Okay, 208 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 2: let's let's sit around here. I'm going to take the 209 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 2: low part when you sing the high part, here's your part, China, 210 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: and we just like started vocalizing and singing the songs 211 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: that we were listening to, and it was like we 212 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 2: were trying to imitate it. And I'm sure the harmony 213 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 2: parts weren't exact, but there was a sound that we 214 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 2: were just completely like wow. When the three when the 215 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 2: three of us in particular sanging at three part harmony, 216 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 2: it was like it was another voice that that emerged. 217 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 2: It was like another It was like a separate voice between, 218 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 2: you know, besides the three of us. It became one 219 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 2: and it was really really apparent. And my mom heard 220 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 2: us through the through the ceiling, and she was like 221 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 2: She came downstairs and she said, what are you guys doing? 222 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 2: And we said, we're singing harmony of Mama. You know, 223 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 2: we're singing harmony. And she goes, do you know how 224 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: great you sound together? Like really, do you what is that? 225 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 2: And she heard the sound, you know, And I'm grateful 226 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: that she was there that day because she's she confirmed 227 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 2: what we were all feeling, you know what I mean. 228 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: And she said, what are you gonna do about it? 229 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 2: And we were like, why, what do you mean? 230 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: You know? 231 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 2: And we said, we have no clue. We just we 232 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,119 Speaker 2: were singing, you know, Stevie Nick's songs from from Wildheart 233 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 2: and Bella Donna and we're like, okay, we sound amazing, 234 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 2: now what you know? And then we called up a 235 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 2: producer that Michelle knew, Richard Perry, who is very famous 236 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 2: some of the best records of all time he produced, 237 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: you know, I mean, and and we went to his 238 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 2: house and we and you know, he rolled a joint 239 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 2: and we you know, mutual Stoner's fellow, my Spale Stoner, 240 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 2: and we just like started singing and he was just like, 241 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 2: I just can't believe what I'm hearing, you know, and 242 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 2: got in the studio and he hooked us up with 243 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: Glenn Ballard. We started writing songs with Glenn, and then 244 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 2: before we knew it, we were in front of like 245 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 2: nine record companies fighting to sign us. And it was 246 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 2: an absolute insanely fortunate position to be in. But we 247 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 2: worked really hard at it for four years, writing songs 248 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: and getting our shit together, you know, and realizing we 249 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: are a group, We're a vocal group, we want to 250 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 2: make a record, and SBK signed us and we were 251 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 2: off for the races. 252 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 3: What's it like when your music becomes part of you know, 253 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 3: pop culture specifically, you know, your music being in Bridesmaids, Well, I. 254 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 2: Mean all the years that we've been you know, the 255 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 2: music's been on the radio, and all the record that 256 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 2: we sold, and we were never a touring band, but 257 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: we did tour, but we it was more about the 258 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 2: impact I think that the music had on people. You know, 259 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 2: It's it's more I feel like it's it's the songs 260 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 2: like hold On and Release Me and You're in Love 261 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 2: and I feel like those songs, you know, they were 262 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 2: number one records. But at the same time, I think 263 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 2: it goes much deeper than just a chart and climbing 264 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: up the charts and whatever it is. I mean, we 265 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 2: worked really hard to get like every radio station you know, 266 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: to play us and everything. But I'm glad we did 267 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 2: that because we did get I mean back in the 268 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 2: day when we were making records, when we were you know, 269 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 2: first promoting the record and when it was released, it 270 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 2: took the people to hear the record and call in 271 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: to request it to get the spins. And then once 272 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 2: the spins happened, you know, then then you got the ads, 273 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: and the ads would then they would that would make 274 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 2: you rise on the charts. So it was like this 275 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 2: domino of thing. It wasn't like some like OZ, you know, 276 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: pulling the string going okay, you got number one record. 277 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 2: You had to sell records, and you had to have 278 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 2: your records being they were called spins you know, on 279 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 2: the on those radio stations. And it's not like that anymore. 280 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 2: And it's just it's not that it's bad, it's just 281 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 2: it's just different. But but we could. Really it was 282 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 2: like palpable, you know, to feel the public's embrace and 283 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: the meaning that the songs had in their lives. That's 284 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 2: that's the part that is the most important thing. I mean, 285 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 2: I'm in my office here and I'm looking at you know, 286 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 2: like fifty different gold albums on the wall or maybe thirty, 287 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: you know, and and different you know, accolades and all 288 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: the awards, you know, and I have all my awards 289 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 2: and everything, and and don't get me wrong, it's a 290 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 2: beautiful feeling to see that because it's like this like 291 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 2: recognition and everything. Well, and then I go, well, all right, 292 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: that's just a number of what. 293 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: We sold. 294 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 2: But the truth is, when I really like look into it, 295 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, I see ten million records in the 296 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: United States. That means that ten million people, ten million 297 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 2: people took money out of their wallets and bought the 298 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 2: fucking record. And whether they listened to it once or 299 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 2: it became like an anthem, or it became something that 300 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 2: saved their life, which I've heard many times, that is extraordinary. 301 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 2: And I do not and will never take that for granted. 302 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 3: I got chills what you're talking about it, you know. 303 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so you're having a blast with Sounds Delicious 304 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 4: Tuesday's nine pm Pacific, Encore episodes Saturdays and Sundays on Axis. 305 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 3: Tell me how much fun you're. 306 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 2: Having, Well, I mean, you asked me if I preferred 307 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 2: singing or cooking. I swear I don't know. I think 308 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 2: that's why the oh is what it is. It's both, 309 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 2: and it's and it's music and because when I cook, 310 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 2: I sing, I love music. I play music, and and 311 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: then it's just it's inspiring, you know, both inspire me. 312 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 2: I found my passion in cooking and baking and feeding 313 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 2: other people, you know, And I think I want, I 314 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 2: secretly want to like tell people like you do that too, 315 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 2: because the feeling is so great, and food is very 316 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: meaningful to me in my family and in my life, 317 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 2: you know. So it's it's been it's been a battle, 318 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: you know, not it's been a struggle to be heavy 319 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 2: set and like be addicted to food, you know, and 320 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 2: then being able to celebrate it at the same time 321 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 2: and having you know, just like regulator, like a like 322 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 2: a like a a limit and so I can listen 323 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 2: to as much music as I want, I can sing 324 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 2: as much as I want. You know, forever, But I 325 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 2: can't eat as much as I want. I can't eat 326 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 2: all the foods that I want. And so when I'm 327 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 2: in the kitchen and you know, like you said, connecting 328 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 2: with the guests on the show, like I feel, it's 329 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 2: that satisfying and it's that gratifying. So it gives me 330 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 2: the same pleasure. But I know, I mean, I know 331 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 2: that answer was all. 332 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: Over the place. 333 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: But really, truthfully, it's like singing and cooking and music 334 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 2: and cooking are somehow tied together for me, and they're 335 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 2: the most important things in my life. My children of 336 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 2: course the number one of course. But it's funny because 337 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: my kids love food and love cooking and love singing. 338 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 2: So you know, we cook together, we bake together, we 339 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 2: sing together. That's my family, that's my friends. So it's 340 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: like when I do this show, when I do these 341 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 2: episodes that the guests come on and we share that 342 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 2: love of music and love of cooking and love of eating, 343 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: and it's the best. 344 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 3: What was it like working with that shy flower of 345 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 3: an individual named d Snyder. 346 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: He's so amazing. I just you know, it's like he's 347 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 2: so I mean, out of all the guests, really he's 348 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: he's just had so much life experience too, you know 349 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 2: what I mean. And he is I mean, every guest 350 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 2: is special in their own way. I mean, I really 351 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 2: love everybody that was on the show so very much. 352 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 2: They're so sweet and really great people. I mean, I 353 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 2: surround myself with good peeps. I don't like assholes, I 354 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 2: don't like dicks, I don't like phony people. I like 355 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 2: real good people. And I like spirited people and passionate people. 356 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 2: And d d is you know, funny and strong and 357 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 2: you know he has a voice, not just as a 358 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: singer and as an entertainer, but you know he has 359 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 2: strong beliefs and he's a good man. You know, he's 360 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 2: a grandpa. He's a husband of a long marriage and 361 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 2: I respect him. And he's just fucking funny. 362 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: You know. 363 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 3: He is, he's, he's he is a rare breed. 364 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:20,239 Speaker 2: He is. 365 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 3: And some of your other guests, Mark McGrath, terrific, Alisa 366 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 3: Loebe who are some new targets maybe you're thinking of, Well. 367 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 2: I mean, I would love to have my friend Joey 368 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 2: from and Sink Joey Fatone. He's one of my best friends. 369 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 2: And he was not he was you know, on tour traveling, 370 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 2: and there were there were a few people that couldn't 371 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 2: come because they were on tour. And you know, Paul McCartney, 372 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 2: they they said that he really wanted to do it. 373 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 2: And that's who I'm waiting for, is Paul. I want 374 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 2: to talk about when he came over in my house 375 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 2: and what happened when he came over and we sang 376 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 2: at the piano together and Elton John, you know, I 377 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 2: mean Elton John picked me up and put me back 378 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 2: in my crib when I was when I was a toddler. 379 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 2: It's like, that's the thing that's so cool, is you 380 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 2: got I've got these stories because of my life, and 381 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 2: I want to I know, Paul loves food. He's a vegetarian. 382 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 2: His daughter's a vegan, Mary. They love food, and you know, 383 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 2: you want to cook quen wha, you want to cook 384 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 2: a steak, let's go, you know, But like, who's going 385 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 2: to be able to talk about the time that Paul 386 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 2: McCartney came over when I was a kid and we 387 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 2: sang My Bonnie Lives over the Ocean at the piano. 388 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 2: It's so cool. 389 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 3: Wow, I love it. Carneie. In closing, is there career 390 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 3: satisfaction you are still hoping to achieve. 391 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,719 Speaker 2: Well, I mean I have a lot of personal I 392 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 2: have like insecurities, you know. I mean sometimes when I 393 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 2: go to the movies and I see movies and I 394 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 2: watch a TV show, and I know, I see the actresses, 395 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 2: actors a part of me and the roles and the 396 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 2: scripts and the stories, and I think like, wow, you know, 397 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 2: I wish, I wish I had that role. I wish 398 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 2: that I did that. And I think there's just this roadblock, 399 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 2: this block that I that I just it's like a sabotage, 400 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 2: you know. I mean, one day, who knows, maybe I'll 401 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: break down that barrier and and just like find that 402 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 2: part of me that's willing to be vulnerable and do that. 403 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 2: So that's definitely something. But I you know, I kind 404 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 2: of love being in the kitchen and if I can 405 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 2: continue doing that and and monetizing that, I mean it's 406 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 2: I don't have an education. I mean, I never saved money. 407 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 2: I have to work like other people do. And people 408 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 2: might find that surprising, but I don't care. It is 409 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 2: what it is, and that's what makes me human. And 410 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 2: you know, I know how to make money. I don't 411 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 2: know how to save money, I can say that I 412 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 2: don't know. I'm never I like my little you know, 413 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 2: I like my my lifestyle, but you know, health first, 414 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 2: family first, food, music first, and that's what keeps me happy. 415 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 2: So I'm open to what's next. I don't know what's next, 416 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 2: and my mom always says to me, you never know 417 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 2: what's around the corner, so don't be afraid to look. 418 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 3: Carnie Wilson, Oh You're the best. Sounds delicious Tuesday's nine 419 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 3: pm Pacific Encore episodes Saturday and Sunday. Carney, thanks for 420 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 3: being on Taking a Walk. 421 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 2: Oh You're so sweet. It was so great to talk 422 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 2: with you, and thanks to you and your listeners and everything. 423 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. 424 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 425 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: Walk podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends 426 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: and follow us so you never it's an episode. Taking 427 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: a Walk is available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 428 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: and wherever you get your podcasts.