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Speaker 1: The Michael Berry Show. Welcome to the Weekend Podcast. A

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Speaker 1: bonus podcast. It is not a rebroadcast of a segment

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Speaker 1: that aired earlier in the week. These are special just

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Speaker 1: for the weekend. So whether you're cleaning out the garage

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite weekend activities, or gardening one of

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Speaker 1: my wife's favorite activities, or painting another of my wife's

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Speaker 1: favorite activities. Or maybe you're washing the dogs, or maybe

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Speaker 1: you're sitting on the couch watching NASCAR or mutual of

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Speaker 1: Omaha's Wild Kingdom. Maybe you're cutting the grass home repair

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Speaker 1: project or baby sitting the grandkids and having a heck

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Speaker 1: of a good time doing it. Or maybe you're on

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Speaker 1: your way to see family, maybe you're on your way

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Speaker 1: to the lake for the day, for the weekend. Whatever

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Speaker 1: it is you're doing, it really is an honor. It's

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Speaker 1: genuinely an honor. There's so many other things you could

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Speaker 1: be doing, and that you would take us along with

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Speaker 1: you is really really cool, and thank you for that.

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Speaker 1: Friend of the show. Cheryl Atkinson used to work for CBS.

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Speaker 1: She was a really well respected prominent journalist when she

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Speaker 1: started asking tough questions of the Obama administration. The Obama

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Speaker 1: administration was basically a controlling interest in CBS, and they

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Speaker 1: made her life a living hell, and it would eventually

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Speaker 1: be the reason she left and found a new home. Well,

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Speaker 1: Cheryl posted or reposted a story that she did right

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Speaker 1: after Sorry, right before COVID about the possible connection between

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Speaker 1: vaccines and autism. You know, this is one of those

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Speaker 1: things that people don't like to talk about because they

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Speaker 1: hope it's not true. And a lot of people will

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Speaker 1: say you're crazy for talking about it, You're a conspiracy theorist,

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Speaker 1: because they don't want it talked about because deep down

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Speaker 1: they're afraid that there is something there. Well, she says

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Speaker 1: she was told by both Republicans and Democrats, and I

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Speaker 1: believe her that there has been a long standing cover

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Speaker 1: up in Congress on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry.

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Speaker 2: Today we investigate one of the biggest medical controversies of

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Speaker 2: our time, vaccines. There's a little dispute about this much.

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Speaker 2: Vaccines saved many lives and rarely they injure or kill.

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Speaker 2: A special federal vaccine court has paid out billions for

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Speaker 2: injuries from brain damage to death, but not for the

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Speaker 2: form of brain injury we call autism. Now we have

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Speaker 2: remarkable new information. A respected pro vaccine medical expert used

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Speaker 2: by the federal government to debunk the vaccine autism link

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Speaker 2: says vaccines can cause autism after all. He claims he

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Speaker 2: told that the government officials long ago, but they.

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Speaker 3: Kept it secret.

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Speaker 2: Yates Hazlehurst was born February eleventh, two thousand. Everything was normal,

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Speaker 2: according to his medical records, until he suffered a severe

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Speaker 3: Ralph Hazelhurst is Yates' dad.

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Speaker 4: At first, I didn't believe it. I did not think that.

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Speaker 4: I did not believe that vaccines could cause autism. I

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Speaker 2: E This is today's hard reality for Yates. The trademark

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Speaker 2: brain disease, pain and inability to communicate that's common with

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Speaker 2: severe autism. In two thousand and seven, Yates's father sued

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Speaker 2: over his son's injuries in the little known Federal Vaccine Court.

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Speaker 2: It was one of more than five thousand vaccine autism claims.

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Speaker 2: Congress created Vaccine Court in nineteen eighty eight in consultation

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Speaker 2: with the pharmaceutical industry. In the special court, vaccine makers

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Speaker 2: don't defend their products. Federal government does it for them,

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Speaker 2: using lawyers from the Justice Department. Money for victims comes

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Speaker 2: on to every vaccine.

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Speaker 3: Given our hearings are all closed to the public. That's statutory.

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Speaker 2: In two thousand and seven, Yates's case in nearly all

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Speaker 2: the other vaccine autism claims lost. The decision was based

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Speaker 2: largely on the expert opinion of this man, doctor Andrew Zimmerman,

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Speaker 2: a world renowned pediatric neurologist, shown here at a lecture.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Zimmerman was the government's top expert witness and had

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Speaker 3: The debate was declared over.

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Speaker 2: But now doctor Zimmerman has provided remarkable new information. He

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Speaker 2: claims that during the vaccine court hearings all those years ago,

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Speaker 2: he privately told government lawyers that vaccines can and did

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Speaker 2: cause autism in some children. That turnabout from the government's

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Speaker 2: own chief medical experts stood to change everything about the

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Speaker 4: And he has come forward and explained how he told

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Speaker 2: Hazelhurst discovered that later when doctor Zimmerman evaluated Yates as

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Speaker 2: Robert F. Kennedy, Junior, who has a voice condition.

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Speaker 5: This is one of the most consequential for Odds and

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Speaker 2: Kennedy was instrumental in convincing doctor Zimmerman to document his

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Speaker 2: on June fifteenth, two thousand and seven, he took aside

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Speaker 2: the Department of Justice or DOJ lawyers he worked for

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Speaker 2: discovered exceptions in which vaccinations could cause autism. I explained

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Speaker 2: that in a subset of children, vaccine induced fever and

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Speaker 5: This panic to DOJ attorneys and they immediately fired Zimmerman.

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Speaker 5: They told they called that was a Friday, and over

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Speaker 2: Days after, the Department of Justice lawyers fired doctor Zimmerman

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Speaker 2: Records show that on June eighteenth, two thousand and seven,

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Speaker 2: a DOJ attorney doctor Zimmermann spoke to told Vaccine Court

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Speaker 2: no scientific basis for a connection between vaccines and autism.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Zimmerman now calls that highly misleading. The former DOJ

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Speaker 2: lawyer didn't return our calls and emails. Kennedy has filed

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Speaker 2: a fraud complaint with the Justice Department Inspector General, who

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Speaker 2: told us they don't comment on investigations or potential investigations. Meantime, CDC,

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Speaker 2: cause autism, and to this day, public health officials deny

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Speaker 6: Based on dozens of studies and everything I know as

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Speaker 3: CDC declined our interview request.

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Speaker 2: In addition to filing a fraud complaint, Kennedy has delivered

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Speaker 2: doctor Zimmerman's affidavit to leaders on Capitol Hill. But there,

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Speaker 2: he claims, is another key part of this story. Roadblocks

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Speaker 2: set up by the pharmaceutical industry or pharma.

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Speaker 5: Everybody takes money from pharma, so they've all been corrupted

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Speaker 5: and it's almost impossible to get anything done on Capitol Hill.

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Speaker 2: Kennedy, a Democrat, isn't the only one claiming vaccine industry

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Speaker 2: money rules the day. We spoke to eleven current and

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Speaker 2: former members of Congress and staff who claim they faced pressure, bullying,

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Speaker 2: or threats when they raised vaccine safety questions. Several of

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Speaker 7: There's no question in my mind whatsoever that the pharmaceutical

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Speaker 7: industry had a great influence with people over at the

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Speaker 7: CDC and FDA. There's no question in my mind.

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Speaker 2: Republican Dan Burton, former chairman of the House Oversight Committee,

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Speaker 7: I am not against vaccinations.

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Speaker 2: He pursued vaccine investigations in the early two thousands. Beth

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Speaker 6: There was a lot of pressure from people on the hill.

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Speaker 2: When you say people on the Hill were exerting pressure,

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Speaker 2: what kind of people colleagues.

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Speaker 6: Or colleagues there were pharmaceutical lobbyists. The pharmaceutical lobbyists had,

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Speaker 6: you know, they're the same people that have been entrenched.

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Speaker 6: They can walk into any office on Capitol Hill and

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Speaker 6: encourage them to discourage our investigation.

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Speaker 2: At the risk of stating the obvious, why do they

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Speaker 6: It's money. I mean, if you look at the donations

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Speaker 6: over the last twenty years, the pharmaceutical industry and Republican

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Speaker 2: Former Congressman doctor Dave Weldon, a Republican, says he got

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Speaker 2: the message loud and clear. If you would want to

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Speaker 2: hold a hearing on an issue like vaccines and autism,

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Speaker 2: your own leadership might fight you on that because of

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Speaker 2: the financial influence the pharmaceuticals.

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Speaker 8: So they wouldn't fight you. They would kill it. It's dead.

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Speaker 8: They don't even want to discuss it. It's dead on arrival.

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Speaker 8: If you if you as an individual member want to

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Speaker 8: take on the pharmaceutical industries. It's forgeted.

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Speaker 2: Can you describe an incident or just how that would go.

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Speaker 8: It would typically be in a hallway or on the street,

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Speaker 8: and you know, people would come up to you and say,

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Speaker 8: you know, you really need to, you know, back off

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Speaker 8: on this. It could be it could be bad for

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Speaker 8: the community, or bad for the country, or bad for you.

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Speaker 2: Weldon says he's generally pro vaccine depending on the patient

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Speaker 2: and the shot, and gives flu shots to adults. We

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Speaker 2: asked him to review doctor Zimmerman's new affidavit.

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Speaker 8: I found his affidavit and testimony through that affidavit to

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Speaker 8: be consistent with my opinions. Some children can get an

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Speaker 8: autism spectrum disorder from a vaccine.

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Speaker 2: Republican Bill Posey is a current member of Congress.

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Speaker 8: I don't have to tell you that that industry is

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Speaker 8: a very very powerful industry a fact.

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Speaker 1: Matter of fact, I don't know if anyone more powerful

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Speaker 2: Industry, Posey says his own party leaders twice promised to

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Speaker 2: Two weeks before the hearing in twenty thirteen, he briefed

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Speaker 4: I presented at that congressional briefing.

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Speaker 4: I explained in that hearing, if I did to a

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Speaker 4: criminal court of law with the United States Department of

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Speaker 3: The hearing was abruptly canceled. Meantime.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Zimmerman, the one time expert used to debunk vaccine

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Speaker 2: autism from vaccines.

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Speaker 3: They include Yates Hazlehurst.

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Speaker 2: Today, with intensive treatment, Yates is doing better. His dad

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Speaker 2: hopes the new testimony from a most unlikely source will

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Speaker 4: A child that was unnecessarily sacrificed, and hopefully good will

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Speaker 2: The lobby group representing the pharmaceutical industry wouldn't agree to

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Speaker 2: an interview, told us they're working with Congress and other

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Speaker 2: stakeholders on the importance and safety of vaccines to support

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Speaker 2: the health and safety of individuals and community.

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Speaker 1: Back in April, RFK Junior announced that his agency is

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Speaker 1: investigating the cause of the rise in autism. It's a

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Speaker 1: statistical fact, it cannot be denied. There are far more

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Speaker 1: cases of autism, so that we know what's causing it.

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Speaker 1: Many people, myself included, based on their gut or in

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Speaker 1: my case, a number of readings and people that I

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Speaker 1: respect who have made a convincing case believe it is

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Speaker 1: related to the quote unquote vaccines. I say quote unquote

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Speaker 1: because many of them not even actually vaccines, as the

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Speaker 1: COVID vaccine was not. And he said that we should

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Speaker 1: have the results of that investigation soon, and I'm looking

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Speaker 10: Oh, we have now the autism raids gone from now

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Speaker 10: most recent numbers we think are going to be about

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Speaker 10: one in thirty one, one in twelve, So they're going

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Speaker 9: That is that's a horrible statistic, isn't it. And there's

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Speaker 9: There will be no bigger.

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Speaker 9: So that's it. If you can come up with that

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Speaker 9: can't be. It can't be from ten thousand to can

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