Speaker 1: Find Downcast. All right, guys, welcome to another episode of
Speaker 1: Wine Down with Janna Kramer and Michael Cosson. I am
Speaker 1: one of your co hosts, Mike, as you all know,
Speaker 1: and I'm really taking this Mike Monday thing to a
Speaker 1: whole another level in demanding my own podcast episode. Uh No,
Speaker 1: you know, those of you who followed Janna know she's
Speaker 1: been working her ass off on this movie that she's
Speaker 1: shooting for a lifetime and I just I credit her
Speaker 1: so much because of the adversity that she's had to
Speaker 1: overcome with having pneumonia the first week and in the
Speaker 1: past two weeks, dealing with people testing positive for COVID
Speaker 1: and false positives and all the above. She's really just
Speaker 1: kind of been grinding a way, and unfortunately, because of
Speaker 1: the changing schedule with all of that, we weren't able
Speaker 1: to get her on here today. So I'm holding down
Speaker 1: the fort so bear with me. Um, But it couldn't
Speaker 1: have been more perfect time. I mean to have the
Speaker 1: guests that we have today, These two wonderful ladies talk
Speaker 1: about Um. They wrote a book called Be All In,
Speaker 1: which is all about kids and sports and parents and
Speaker 1: that dynamic which those of you who are avid listeners
Speaker 1: to this podcast. No, I'm very passionate about So we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about things with you know, kids getting trophies
Speaker 1: for everything, and how parents should behave at sporting events
Speaker 1: and how much to push your kid, how much to
Speaker 1: pull back. So we have some great conversations around that.
Speaker 1: Christie Rampone is a US women national soccer player who
Speaker 1: spent seventeen years on the team, is three time gold medalist.
Speaker 1: She's a legend in international soccer. And her partner of
Speaker 1: crime is Dr Christine Keane, who is one of the
Speaker 1: leading neuropsychologists in her in her field. So we have
Speaker 1: some great discussions coming up. It's gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. Let's take a break and dive right in.
Speaker 1: Al Right, guys, Uh, we're so excited about our guests today.
Speaker 1: Janna had to step out for a little bit. She's
Speaker 1: got a lot going on shooting a movie. But we
Speaker 1: have the legendary Christie Pierce Rampone and Dr Christine Keene
Speaker 1: who are here to talk about basically the future of
Speaker 1: our children and and those of you who don't know
Speaker 1: who these two are. Christie is known around the world
Speaker 1: as one of the most legendary soccer players in the
Speaker 1: history of the game for sure, has represented US in
Speaker 1: numerous Olympics, has been part of the US women's soccer
Speaker 1: team for many, many years. And Dr Christine give us
Speaker 1: a little bit of your background to educate us on
Speaker 1: where your specialties at. So, I'm a clinical neuropsychologist and
Speaker 1: I specialized in sports neuropsychology because for years I've been
Speaker 1: working with athletes dealing with sports concussion mainly. So that's
Speaker 1: what led to our collaboration from you know, working with
Speaker 1: athletes for so many years and thus the parent of
Speaker 1: kids who have had concussions for sure. So how did
Speaker 1: you guys, so we're here to talk about your book
Speaker 1: be all In, which is about raising kids for success
Speaker 1: in sports in life. How did you guys meet and
Speaker 1: kind of learned to, you know, begin to collaborate on
Speaker 1: this project. Yeah, so we we teamed up on you know,
Speaker 1: talking about concussion and going on the speaking tour and
Speaker 1: working on this with the same organization and both being
Speaker 1: sports moms and with Dr King's clinical background as well
Speaker 1: as my background playing on the fields as well as
Speaker 1: coaching for the last twenty years and just watching this
Speaker 1: climate of sports get so emotional and there's so much
Speaker 1: pressure anxiety within these youth athletes. Um, we just wanted
Speaker 1: to give back honestly and help parents through this, this
Speaker 1: guideline throughout our book to just help them, you know,
Speaker 1: have a better kind of the better journey with their
Speaker 1: kids through sports and trying to teach them is more
Speaker 1: than just winning. Yes, we all want to win, we're
Speaker 1: all very competitive, but when those moments of losses um
Speaker 1: or mistakes, um that you can teach your kids so
Speaker 1: much through sports. I love this topic and I was
Speaker 1: really excited to have you guys on because Jane and
Speaker 1: I are kids are four and a year and a half, right,
Speaker 1: so we have some time. But Julie's starting that age,
Speaker 1: getting into sports, getting a soccer. We're just kind of
Speaker 1: throwing everything at her. Whatever she likes, she likes. And Christie,
Speaker 1: your kids are ten and fifteen? And Dr Christine, how
Speaker 1: old are your kids? Like a little bit more of
Speaker 1: a range on eighteen sixteen and today eleven. Wow, so
Speaker 1: we got all the age ranges covered right here, so
Speaker 1: we can solve every parents problem right here on this episode.
Speaker 1: I love it. So let me ask you both then,
Speaker 1: as as a newer parent, and with kids starting to
Speaker 1: get into this. You know, my background being in professional athletics,
Speaker 1: for athletics my entire life as well. I'm asked this
Speaker 1: question only from a standpoint of because I played professionally,
Speaker 1: people think I maybe have the right answer or more
Speaker 1: of an opinion, when really I don't. I don't have
Speaker 1: any more of a knowledge based in than anyone else would.
Speaker 1: But I am curious because I don't know what the
Speaker 1: answer is. All I know is I want kids to
Speaker 1: be kids, right, So what is Yall's philosophy when it
Speaker 1: comes to all these parents who want to send their
Speaker 1: kids to the specialists and set them up for success
Speaker 1: and they should just play this one sport year round.
Speaker 1: Like where do you guys stand on that kind of concept?
Speaker 1: You know, we talk a lot in the book about
Speaker 1: there's like really no one size fits all a way
Speaker 1: to parenting, but just being aware of your own individual
Speaker 1: children and they could have a different relationship with sports
Speaker 1: compared your relationship with sports, and just being open minded
Speaker 1: and communicate and at a young age, allowing them to
Speaker 1: express themselves by choosing what sports they want to play
Speaker 1: and allowing them to start their own journey rather than
Speaker 1: pushing your interests on them. You want to show them
Speaker 1: your interests and be there along the way, but allowing
Speaker 1: to them to express their own individual interests. You know,
Speaker 1: we really hope like parents start to, like the next
Speaker 1: generation of parents could start to let their kids have
Speaker 1: some more free play, because it seems like since we
Speaker 1: started raising them, everything got so structured and there it's
Speaker 1: almost like a child's right in their childhood to have
Speaker 1: a sport, to be active, and then it's like a
Speaker 1: parent's moral obligation to get them structure. So there's this
Speaker 1: whole shift away from free play. So if if we
Speaker 1: could give any advice, we'd say, like set some time
Speaker 1: apart to just let them be and just do and
Speaker 1: just you know, hang out with their friends in the backyard.
Speaker 1: And you almost can see that now in this current
Speaker 1: stage of the pandemic or like God, the kids are
Speaker 1: lost because they are so used to this structure routine,
Speaker 1: like coaches to tell them exactly what to do, you know,
Speaker 1: they sign up for whether it's individual training or individual fitness.
Speaker 1: They were lost, you know, and there's a perfect time
Speaker 1: to you know, prepare your child from when it does
Speaker 1: is open up and have those conversations of why do
Speaker 1: you want to play sports? And you know how to
Speaker 1: get outside and exercise on your own, how to like
Speaker 1: play with your friends that in your small group settings
Speaker 1: and just enjoy sports. You know, I miss the days
Speaker 1: of I feel like maybe my age range or generation
Speaker 1: was maybe the last ones where it's like your parents
Speaker 1: are like, all right, go outside, I don't want to
Speaker 1: see you till you know the street lamps come on exactly,
Speaker 1: and it's like you don't see that anymore. And to
Speaker 1: your point, it's like, you want, how are kids supposed
Speaker 1: to do that when they're having you got this coach
Speaker 1: on this day, and this sport on this day and
Speaker 1: this and it's this is just my outside looking in.
Speaker 1: Because of the impact of social media and Facebook and
Speaker 1: all of that, my fear that I make up is
Speaker 1: that it's becoming more about the parents, because the parents
Speaker 1: want to be able to post that, oh, my son
Speaker 1: or daughter is training with this coach and it's third
Speaker 1: known to be the best you know, goal goalkeeper coach
Speaker 1: in the in the county or the state or whatever,
Speaker 1: the best quarterback coach. And it's like, is it a
Speaker 1: out your kid or is it really about you being
Speaker 1: able to say that have you guys experienced kind of
Speaker 1: that same opinion or any of that. Absolutely, I mean
Speaker 1: that's the trend right now is the fear of the unknown.
Speaker 1: And social media makes us all feel anxious because you
Speaker 1: have somebody post something and then you wonder if you're
Speaker 1: doing the right thing and putting your child in the
Speaker 1: right situation to be successful. But I always reflect back
Speaker 1: to you know, some of the great players from what
Speaker 1: where I've experienced And I even went to college on
Speaker 1: a basketball scholarship. I was a walk on the soccer team,
Speaker 1: and everybody's path is so unique and allow and then
Speaker 1: try to have that conversation we talked about that lot
Speaker 1: in the book is like you have you early you know,
Speaker 1: right on at the gate, you know you can tell
Speaker 1: the athletes, and then you have your late bloomers, and
Speaker 1: you know you don't know which whereich direction your child
Speaker 1: is gonna go in. So just allow them to be
Speaker 1: themselves and just sit back and and enjoy it. But
Speaker 1: sometimes you do have to encourage your child, to push
Speaker 1: your child to do something and bout dr keen and I,
Speaker 1: you know, make sure that we let our children know
Speaker 1: like you choose, but you have to do something like
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be sitting in the house and doing
Speaker 1: nothing like you will choose something and if you need
Speaker 1: to help, we need to help along who can't choose
Speaker 1: Xbox Like hey, mom and dad, Xbox Fashion, Xbox Player,
Speaker 1: you know, and just like you know, having fun with
Speaker 1: it because right now it is some tense sometimes there
Speaker 1: tous in. I'm sure you don't know what the top
Speaker 1: up of how many elite teams, I mean town teams
Speaker 1: have changed their name to the elite team to attract
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, because parents are you know, it's
Speaker 1: answering the question am I doing enough? Okay, I put
Speaker 1: my child on an elite team, but what does it mean?
Speaker 1: Who's training your child? And what are they getting out
Speaker 1: of it? And doesn't necessarily mean the more you spend
Speaker 1: doesn't mean the better experience you're going to have and
Speaker 1: the letting And that's something we talk about and educate parents.
Speaker 1: It's it's not the label, it's not the money. It's
Speaker 1: just who you're putting your child into and who's the
Speaker 1: coach and trusting that process because that's where the emotion
Speaker 1: really does play into their fact is like when you
Speaker 1: see your kids failing, you see your kid making mistakes
Speaker 1: and that you get anxious, and then you want to
Speaker 1: blame it on the reff you want to blame it
Speaker 1: on the coach, you want to blame it on other
Speaker 1: athletes on the field. And it's like, I think it
Speaker 1: comes deep rooted from not really trusting the process of
Speaker 1: allowing your kids to develop and grow. You just want
Speaker 1: them always to succeed, and that's that's not part of reality.
Speaker 1: You know, in the expectation that we have for our children,
Speaker 1: we always got to kick up, kick out of like
Speaker 1: is the parent getting up for the game more? And
Speaker 1: we get a kick out of it. We've been there too. Obviously,
Speaker 1: we all get emotional about sports and then especially when
Speaker 1: you're child's involved. But it is something to look at,
Speaker 1: like am I more involved in this loss emotionally than
Speaker 1: my child is? And my child's ten and what does
Speaker 1: this really mean? And what's happening with me? I went
Speaker 1: to to touch on that point. I went to these
Speaker 1: good friend of ours, um their oldest son is ten
Speaker 1: years old, so he had a youth football youth football
Speaker 1: game last fall, so I went, you know, we're really
Speaker 1: close with them. He's like a nephew to me. I
Speaker 1: want to go to support them. It's like their first
Speaker 1: playoff game. And while I'm watching the game, like there's
Speaker 1: kind of some stir. I like to stand away, So
Speaker 1: I just watched the game and not get caught up
Speaker 1: on what parents are doing. And I hear the stir
Speaker 1: and I start going over their long story short there
Speaker 1: was someone from the other team on their sideline videotaping
Speaker 1: like signals or the like video taping the sideline so
Speaker 1: he could like report to the other side kind of
Speaker 1: what they're doing. I'm like, these kids are ten years
Speaker 1: old and there's like a spygate issue going on, Like
Speaker 1: what is this world coming to their ten? What are
Speaker 1: you trying to win? Like what what is going on?
Speaker 1: What is a grown man sitting there? And like grown
Speaker 1: man came up with this idea, Hey, go over there,
Speaker 1: record their stuff and let us know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: I couldn't I couldn't even fathom, like what was going on.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a trend, but what I
Speaker 1: see personally, my my ten year old soccer games are
Speaker 1: more emotional and can get a little bit more hectic
Speaker 1: than the sixteen year old. And maybe it's that by
Speaker 1: then figured out figured it out like it's okay. If
Speaker 1: there didn't fall off sides, the game will go on.
Speaker 1: It's not about us anymore, right, just you found another
Speaker 1: hobby or something. I mean, like to your point though,
Speaker 1: it's like what kind of role models are these coaches
Speaker 1: being for these athletes? Because those kids look over that
Speaker 1: they're sponges, you know, like I've experienced that through my
Speaker 1: own children and traveling with the US team, and they
Speaker 1: just we're very lucky to be around so many female,
Speaker 1: like powerful role models that they were like taking things
Speaker 1: that were they're positive away and like using it into
Speaker 1: their world today. And I just look at you know,
Speaker 1: when you have a coach that is maybe altering you know,
Speaker 1: maybe the guidelines to win. You know, like it's kind
Speaker 1: of teaching our kids the wrong message, and you know
Speaker 1: they should be working on the fundamentals, the skill sets,
Speaker 1: you know, even the mental side. I'd rather than even
Speaker 1: encourage them to you know, persevere. So those tough times
Speaker 1: and the losses are maybe playing up against a bigger,
Speaker 1: bigger athlete and how to overcome that or you know,
Speaker 1: those are the things that you know, coaches should be
Speaker 1: inspiring their kids to kind of get through those moments
Speaker 1: rather than filming you know, plays and sending the wrong message.
Speaker 1: It's insane. And you have two daughters, right, Christie, Yes,
Speaker 1: do they play soccer one place. They both play one
Speaker 1: place that like a competitive level, that loves it, and
Speaker 1: my younger one just plays at a non competitive competitive level,
Speaker 1: just loves to have loves down the armed slices at halftime.
Speaker 1: Social part of it, I like, I love it. You know,
Speaker 1: do they have they voiced any kind of pressure because
Speaker 1: of who you are and everything. Yeah, that was a
Speaker 1: part of the reason that I started talking to Dr
Speaker 1: King about this, because you know, I'm on the field
Speaker 1: a lot as youth coach, and I have parents getting
Speaker 1: crazy if they beat you know, an Olympic athlete that's
Speaker 1: reaching against our team, as well as my you know,
Speaker 1: my child, like who you know, who's her kid? Which
Speaker 1: number is she? And then you know the things that
Speaker 1: parents would actually say in the words they use, you know,
Speaker 1: towards my child. So I used to you know, people
Speaker 1: would ask me like, which one is your kid? And
Speaker 1: I used to change the number up. You know, I
Speaker 1: would tell my daughter that I'm like, oh, I think
Speaker 1: you're number nine today. I don't worry don't stress because
Speaker 1: there's so much added pressure. Like just be you, you know,
Speaker 1: like you have way more advantaged, Like you're so much
Speaker 1: you have a better skill set than I ever did
Speaker 1: at your age. Just go with it, be like who
Speaker 1: you want to be, don't be your mom, you know.
Speaker 1: And but that's I had to have those early conversations
Speaker 1: way too young with her, and she should have been
Speaker 1: able to just have fun and be a kid and
Speaker 1: express herself on the field, but she had all these
Speaker 1: outside distraction and voices that were interfering with who she
Speaker 1: should have been. Dr Christine, what were you just mentioned
Speaker 1: to her about? Well, I wanted her to tell you
Speaker 1: the great story about the parent who walked up throughout
Speaker 1: the game and heard this was I think at this
Speaker 1: point eight or nine years old, and said, you know,
Speaker 1: I just you know, this just has to be a
Speaker 1: pretty good team. Did you know that Christy Rampone's daughter
Speaker 1: actually plays on this team? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, we were
Speaker 1: like no, really really like, yeah, that's my daughter with
Speaker 1: that ar sliceszing parents get like again so caught up
Speaker 1: in like the wow, in the emotion that you're like,
Speaker 1: just their kids, don't forget that like their their kids
Speaker 1: and they have feelings and just know about like your
Speaker 1: words means something. So like when you go out there
Speaker 1: and say that, like understand like you are, you know,
Speaker 1: changing somebody's um true love for the game by just
Speaker 1: throwing these nasty words out. And you know, I'm blessed
Speaker 1: and lucky that my child still playing sports from what
Speaker 1: everything that she's heard along the way. That definitely exhibits
Speaker 1: some resiliency and your daughter being able to kind of
Speaker 1: take on that pressure as much as you're trying to,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of filter all that, but she's still
Speaker 1: able to play this, play that sport that you played
Speaker 1: and kind of keep trucking. So that's awesome. Dr Christine,
Speaker 1: with your scientific and educational background around all of this,
Speaker 1: like sports psychology, how do you interact with your kids?
Speaker 1: Like do you find yourself getting too technical with things
Speaker 1: around them or you're like, Okay, I just need to
Speaker 1: back off for a second and let my kid be
Speaker 1: a kid. If I tried technical with them, they would
Speaker 1: never listen to a word I said. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: certainly hyper vigilant about it, especially after this journey with
Speaker 1: Christine writing that used to be a crazy parent. After
Speaker 1: this journey just being able to like, like, we come
Speaker 1: off a game. Christie's my daughter's coach who plays with
Speaker 1: her older daughter, and I would be so excited, like
Speaker 1: what what did Christi ram Bones say about this game?
Speaker 1: Because the first thing to get in the car or
Speaker 1: what she's saying. But sometimes she didn't want to talk
Speaker 1: about the game. She needed time to cool down, chill out.
Speaker 1: And we talked about that in the book a lot
Speaker 1: about giving your kids time to heal from the field,
Speaker 1: having some space because in that moment you're emotional, they're emotional,
Speaker 1: and you need that that time to you know, cool down,
Speaker 1: chill out, and then you can talk rationally. But so
Speaker 1: many times, I know your kids are young, but you'll
Speaker 1: see you'll leave the game and you can see the
Speaker 1: car ride home, parents yelling, kids tuning out. You know,
Speaker 1: all that happens, and it's really a great time that
Speaker 1: car ride home too. You know, you can have a
Speaker 1: really positive experience because clearly the parents care about the game,
Speaker 1: and that's your connectedness to your child. You know a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of dads say they really relate
Speaker 1: to their kids through the sports. You know, that's when
Speaker 1: they're you know, talking the most to their son. You
Speaker 1: know that's like the conversation opener or something you know
Speaker 1: for some parents. Um, but I think you were saying before,
Speaker 1: like when we were younger, our parents weren't there for
Speaker 1: a lot of the practices, or like like parents are
Speaker 1: now and now we see, Wow, this is really enjoyable.
Speaker 1: I had a whole socker social life. I love watching
Speaker 1: my kids play, and then I think that's where all
Speaker 1: this like kind of over involvement, um, you know comes
Speaker 1: into play for sure. And I mean that gave me
Speaker 1: a different perspective just instantly, because I was that kid
Speaker 1: in the car and my dad would read me out,
Speaker 1: you know, nine percent of the time after games, What
Speaker 1: were you thinking, why did you do this? You know?
Speaker 1: And I would I'll just get upset and want to
Speaker 1: tune them out, and almost to the point where I
Speaker 1: didn't even want them to come to games because it's like,
Speaker 1: just leave me alone, like give me a second to breathe.
Speaker 1: But I can also anticipate that excitement where I want
Speaker 1: to be like, hey, let's talk about even if it's
Speaker 1: good stuff, I want to be like hey, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: but I'm making a mental note right now being like okay,
Speaker 1: offer them be like Hey, whenever you're ready to talk
Speaker 1: about the game, let's talk about it. I want to
Speaker 1: hear about your feelings about what you saw it there
Speaker 1: or whatever. I'm always been the parents. I've never yelled
Speaker 1: on the sideline. I've always kind of chilled out. I've
Speaker 1: known enough not to have that interaction with my kids.
Speaker 1: I don't ride them. Um. But then you know what
Speaker 1: Christy was saying then what I would get with her
Speaker 1: and we'd be alone, and I said, what happened there?
Speaker 1: What was this? But so I think that's been you know,
Speaker 1: I've kind of known through my travels like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: vigilant of what I'm saying because I know I'm planning scenes.
Speaker 1: So and then through this process of writing this book,
Speaker 1: I learned even more about um. Like they're like, I
Speaker 1: tell a story of my daughter with a penalty kick,
Speaker 1: and you know she's a forward, so I thought, I'm
Speaker 1: cheering her on saying how many points you gotta score
Speaker 1: for me? But that's actually the last thing you want
Speaker 1: to be saying through forward before they you know, the
Speaker 1: best thing for me to say is love you a
Speaker 1: great game, and that's the end of it. So that's
Speaker 1: like a change I made that way. Yeah, putting added
Speaker 1: pressure on your kid before they perform, you know, remembering
Speaker 1: what to say for sure. A buddy of mine we're
Speaker 1: talking about one day, and it's like, what else in
Speaker 1: life besides sports gives you that instant like adrenaline rush
Speaker 1: or like cheering, Like there's really nothing else in life
Speaker 1: that you're like, maybe can't read, maybe gambling right, like
Speaker 1: you double down and you hit. But other than that,
Speaker 1: what in life gives you the instantaneous rush of feeling
Speaker 1: and emotion? So I can I make up that. I
Speaker 1: can see why parents get so involved because it's like
Speaker 1: even if they're never used to play sports, but now
Speaker 1: they're flesh and blood is doing it and they just
Speaker 1: get that intense and everything. It's like they've got nothing else,
Speaker 1: And like work isn't doing that for him, you know,
Speaker 1: money through Friday. It's like that's not doing it. Take
Speaker 1: your four year old gambling right right. That's where I say, like,
Speaker 1: when you truly look at it, like your kids are,
Speaker 1: you're entertaining you, right because you live this like structure,
Speaker 1: like too, you're going to work, and work may not
Speaker 1: be the greatest thing, Like your outlet is to people
Speaker 1: watch your kids play, and then when it doesn't the
Speaker 1: picture isn't painted perfectly, then we get emotional because we're
Speaker 1: like this is supposed to be our fun time. And
Speaker 1: that's like, you know, the whole premises of the book.
Speaker 1: Because even when dr he was talking about like after
Speaker 1: a game, like as a coach, like I love to
Speaker 1: use as a teaching moment, and parents get so annoyed
Speaker 1: that I keep the players like an extra ten minutes
Speaker 1: after the game, especially if they're lost, because like I
Speaker 1: want a chef to say to them now, like and
Speaker 1: she you know, talk about that during the week. But
Speaker 1: those are all the points that like are fun for
Speaker 1: me as a coach to like make sure we like
Speaker 1: wrap up what we just what the game was. And
Speaker 1: those are the moments that I love the kids to
Speaker 1: get in the car too, and if they want to say,
Speaker 1: like this was our game plan and this is what
Speaker 1: we executed and have the parents were more engaging about that,
Speaker 1: like you know than their own individual childs, like you look,
Speaker 1: you know the little tired out there. You showed no
Speaker 1: energy and you know, how come you're doing this and
Speaker 1: like questioning all that versus like kind of educating parents
Speaker 1: to be like yeah, like did the game plan work?
Speaker 1: Like what were you thinking out there? And like were
Speaker 1: you high pressing? Were you low pressing? And kind of
Speaker 1: educating their parents along the way about how the games
Speaker 1: changed so much because as you know, like the game
Speaker 1: keeps evolving year after year and com parents evolved with
Speaker 1: the game. That's that's really that's actually really cool to
Speaker 1: know that after the game, like you can be helping
Speaker 1: the relationship between the parents and the kids because you're
Speaker 1: coaching them almost together, and like wrapping that up so
Speaker 1: the parent knows how to talk to their kid a
Speaker 1: little bit more instead of asking these questions that don't matter. Now,
Speaker 1: let me ask you in the opposite end of the spectrum. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I have a brother that's fourteen years younger than me,
Speaker 1: and I remember going to his baseball games. I was
Speaker 1: like early in my NFL days. He was playing you know,
Speaker 1: like his first year kid pitch and it was like
Speaker 1: in my off season, and I remember coming to his games.
Speaker 1: I'm like hot, you know, early summer Saturday mornings at
Speaker 1: eight am, and it's like watching paint dry. I mean,
Speaker 1: especially the first year a kid bitch just like ball
Speaker 1: ball ball, strike out, Like everyone's walking everyone's striking out,
Speaker 1: no one's hitting the ball. How do you as parents
Speaker 1: kind of mentally approached that when your kid is in
Speaker 1: that young infant stages of sports and you go to
Speaker 1: some of these these events and it is watching like
Speaker 1: it's like watching paint dry, and you're like, how do
Speaker 1: you kind of stay enthusiastic and excited for your kid
Speaker 1: when you're there You're not enjoying it yet your kids
Speaker 1: aren't entertaining you. Yet You're like in your head, you're
Speaker 1: like you feel bad. You're like, yeah, ring on the
Speaker 1: side somewhere with the other parents. Well, first note to sell,
Speaker 1: do not play on your phone because it's that one
Speaker 1: time your kid looks over in your phone. My younger
Speaker 1: daughter reminding me of that early on, like mom, you know,
Speaker 1: and then she got to the point of always looking
Speaker 1: at me and I'd give her the thumbs up, like
Speaker 1: keep going, you know, like make sure that they're you're engaged.
Speaker 1: But now those are parents, like we would say sports
Speaker 1: parenting is hard work, like and knowing that, especially at
Speaker 1: a young, boring youth game, like you definitely have to
Speaker 1: stay involved. You know, you have to know the score,
Speaker 1: make sure you know the score, and you know, chier
Speaker 1: human and but isn't it like if you're really there
Speaker 1: for what you're there for? I mean in an ideal world, right,
Speaker 1: it's really exciting when your kids really good, But if
Speaker 1: you're there to support your child, you think your emotions
Speaker 1: would kind of look the same regardless. I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: sports is exciting when somebody's excelling, but you know, whether
Speaker 1: you're there for that t ball game, right, you're still
Speaker 1: there for your child. So you would hope that there'd
Speaker 1: be some stability in how you, you know, saw these
Speaker 1: kids and how you you're proud of your kid where
Speaker 1: they're at the two so you're kind of pulling from
Speaker 1: that part of like why you're there, like really that's
Speaker 1: the big time as a parent or something like you know,
Speaker 1: as ir relative to see like do they actually really
Speaker 1: enjoy this too? Like it it's boring to you, Like
Speaker 1: are they really getting something out of it? Making sure
Speaker 1: like they're not just bored? And your board and does
Speaker 1: it really align with what you really wanted doing? You know,
Speaker 1: the grand parents you look thrilled because they're in such
Speaker 1: a different place than all of us, so they're more
Speaker 1: in touch with that, like the like not getting caught
Speaker 1: up in the game and getting caught up in like
Speaker 1: this is this beautiful kid that I love so much
Speaker 1: and I'm just watching them and have a childhood. So
Speaker 1: they're like more in touch with it than us, and
Speaker 1: we're like, we got ten other things to do today,
Speaker 1: Like you hit a home run, So when I could
Speaker 1: leave something like that on your Facebook posts? Okay, Now,
Speaker 1: this is the one of the biggest areas of contention
Speaker 1: for me personally, just my personal beliefs when it comes
Speaker 1: to sports and kids and everything like that. With the
Speaker 1: whole thing about keeping score, okay when and like some
Speaker 1: of these youth sports there's no winners or losers, and
Speaker 1: then the whole trophy thing. Janna. I wish Janna was
Speaker 1: on here right now because my daughter, when we're living
Speaker 1: in l A. Still, she had a dance recital, right,
Speaker 1: and our daughter was the one that was like all
Speaker 1: the other kids were doing the routine. Our daughters like
Speaker 1: running circles, right, and the teacher has has having to
Speaker 1: corral her back into her spot on stage. It was
Speaker 1: the cutest thing ever. We're so proud of her for
Speaker 1: going up there and doing it. And every kid got
Speaker 1: this little trophy with a spinning star on it. So
Speaker 1: we get home, I have the trophy. I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, honey, I'm just gonna throw this away. She
Speaker 1: was like wait, what, like, like why she loves it?
Speaker 1: I'm like, tomorrow she's gonna forget about this. I'm like,
Speaker 1: why are we going to keep this? Because why like
Speaker 1: why can't us being proud of her, her being proud
Speaker 1: of herself be enough to show her that what she
Speaker 1: did was amazing. She doesn't need this little spinny star
Speaker 1: thing to show her that. So, from both y'all standpoints,
Speaker 1: I would love to hear how you feel about keeping
Speaker 1: score and then the whole trophy thing. Yeah, for me,
Speaker 1: the trophy thing is something that you have to earn, right,
Speaker 1: and then if it's always handed to you don't really
Speaker 1: understand what an accomplishment really is, you know. So we're
Speaker 1: teaching them the wrong things at such yourn age. Just
Speaker 1: something is handed to you, you're never gonna know how
Speaker 1: to earn it, how to like work towards something, and
Speaker 1: they're always going to expect things handed to you. So
Speaker 1: we're sending the wrong message early on as parents, um
Speaker 1: by just allowing them to win trophies. You know that
Speaker 1: for me is um no, No, Like I'm the same
Speaker 1: as you as I take that trophy and I kind
Speaker 1: of put it away because I'll take any star if
Speaker 1: you still yeah, um yeah. I mean that's from an
Speaker 1: athlete and knowing how hard it is to win, you know,
Speaker 1: an Olympic medal and stuff, and if we start setting up,
Speaker 1: you know, these early expectations for kids that they can't
Speaker 1: meet later in life, it's only gonna set them up
Speaker 1: for failure, you know. So I agree with you encourage
Speaker 1: them and be appreciative of what they've earned or how
Speaker 1: they got there. But just handing it to them to me,
Speaker 1: is um is not helping them that in the long run.
Speaker 1: So I think in like the child development literature, you
Speaker 1: see support for both. So from you know, I agree
Speaker 1: with Christie. I think there's enough organic experiences in a
Speaker 1: child's life that it is important for them to experience
Speaker 1: those successes. So if you keep putting your child, who's
Speaker 1: maybe an average soccer player on elite teams, they're not
Speaker 1: going to experience that. And it's it's good for them
Speaker 1: to get a trophy or win, So you really could
Speaker 1: you could set that up in more of an organic way,
Speaker 1: so you know you can they can feel that it's
Speaker 1: great to feel success. Um, they learn self efficacy that way.
Speaker 1: So I think it's it's good to have those experiences,
Speaker 1: but then not in an artificial way like here's a trophy,
Speaker 1: No you lost, but no, you really want here's a trophy.
Speaker 1: Like how confusing is that? Right? And it could work
Speaker 1: towards something like a girl Scout badge. They actually, you know,
Speaker 1: so you really confine things. There's enough out there, there's
Speaker 1: enough ways, you know, for your child to succeed. Child
Speaker 1: has gifts that you know, maybe haven't developed it, they
Speaker 1: might not be in the right activity. So that's what
Speaker 1: I would look for. So so you have that balance
Speaker 1: of both not artificial but more organic. Also equated to
Speaker 1: school too, like I love for the teachers to hand
Speaker 1: out the hundreds for good effort. I mean like it's
Speaker 1: the same if you look at in the like the
Speaker 1: same perspective. It's like, you gotta you gotta earn your
Speaker 1: grades in school. And it's the same thing as I
Speaker 1: think in sports, as you gotta earn your way to
Speaker 1: to to winning and accomplishing you know, a scholarship or
Speaker 1: an award or certificate, like that's all that's all part
Speaker 1: of it. Now with the same thing with winning and
Speaker 1: losing in you know, because I feel like it's it's
Speaker 1: okay regardless of the kid's age, to to understand loss
Speaker 1: because that's part of life. Right. If if everyone just
Speaker 1: feels like we didn't keep score, then why are they
Speaker 1: doing it? Right? It's like it's like age appropriate loss.
Speaker 1: And then again that gets back to like how involved
Speaker 1: emotionally are you in the game. So if you're flipping
Speaker 1: out about the laws and you have a six year old,
Speaker 1: that might not be commensurate, right, So you let them
Speaker 1: feel the loss, But then it's also okay, you have
Speaker 1: a hundred more games to play within the next couple
Speaker 1: of years. You know, you know you can move on
Speaker 1: from that loss. You know they're not playing the World
Speaker 1: Cup at that moment. So I think it's like just
Speaker 1: the age appropriate losses that you notice as a parent
Speaker 1: that you know that that's commensurate with their level of understanding,
Speaker 1: but they need it to learn. As I saying, like
Speaker 1: the coaching, but my philosophy and coaches coaching, as you
Speaker 1: you train for fun, then you train to learn, then
Speaker 1: you train to compete, and then you train to win
Speaker 1: and the winning comes is the last piece because you
Speaker 1: want to start training to win when you're you know,
Speaker 1: in the fourteen age group. So if you don't ever develop,
Speaker 1: the winning is going to be hard as you get older.
Speaker 1: If you go just for winning as a young youth
Speaker 1: athlete at eight, they're not gonna experience the development stage.
Speaker 1: And I would say, like winning is a byproductor that
Speaker 1: developed thing, right, So like it's a process and get there,
Speaker 1: And that's something that we tried to instill throughout this book.
Speaker 1: Is like, you know, when you try to develop, sometimes
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough to win, but you actually win
Speaker 1: because you're learning something throughout the game. You know. For example,
Speaker 1: the other day and my girls played a younger team,
Speaker 1: so I was working on low pressure and we tied,
Speaker 1: and every everyone's like, who you tied? You know, a
Speaker 1: team that was younger than you and maybe not is
Speaker 1: at a sting level, Like yeah, but we actually did win.
Speaker 1: And the fact that we won and the fact that
Speaker 1: I taught them something, they digested it and then we
Speaker 1: need to use it or implement it in a game setting.
Speaker 1: And you know they'll be able to do that in
Speaker 1: adjust and a depth so that you know That's why
Speaker 1: I think it's important to align stuff with the right
Speaker 1: coaching staff to make sure that your child has developed
Speaker 1: in the growing what's your biggest thing, I make up
Speaker 1: that the age of girls that you're coaching. That's probably
Speaker 1: again in my my personal opinion, is probably the age
Speaker 1: where you know you can get on them a little bit, right,
Speaker 1: So what's what's the thing for you as a coach
Speaker 1: that you'll get on your girls? Bet that will really
Speaker 1: like disappoint you, bother you that you'll have no issue
Speaker 1: being like, look, I'm piste off. Oh the count that
Speaker 1: accountability piece is huge. The eye rolling, you know, when
Speaker 1: you get the teenage years where like you tell them
Speaker 1: something and it's you know, no matter who you are
Speaker 1: and what coaches you know, where have I've been, the
Speaker 1: eye rolling is a no doubt. It's like you pulled
Speaker 1: immediately off the field and you've got to cool down.
Speaker 1: But you know, just as simple as like showing up
Speaker 1: late for practice, you know, and using excuse my parents
Speaker 1: didn't wake me up, for my parents didn't get me
Speaker 1: there in time. It's like no, no, no, Like you're
Speaker 1: responsible of your own actions, and that's huge as you
Speaker 1: get older, you know, all the emotion that you've show
Speaker 1: in a game, like you're responsible for that. So those
Speaker 1: those little moments are definitely moments that I make sure
Speaker 1: that there is a lesson at that at that time.
Speaker 1: And I'm a very about immediate lessons. So if it happens,
Speaker 1: the players removed right away and then we have a
Speaker 1: discussion and then we implement it back, um, you know,
Speaker 1: through training, and they have to earn the way back
Speaker 1: on the field. But yeah, and every every week they
Speaker 1: have to earn. It doesn't matter how well they played
Speaker 1: in the last game, Like, you still gotta show to
Speaker 1: be consistent every day. And that's the accountable the piece
Speaker 1: kids need to learn because they're so used to parents
Speaker 1: doing everything for them. The same thing is if they're
Speaker 1: late for practice, just text me goes a long way,
Speaker 1: you know, versus showing up late and like the shoulders
Speaker 1: going down and like the head coming into the like sorry, coach,
Speaker 1: Like you could easily solve that because I plan my
Speaker 1: practices on the numbers that are going to show up,
Speaker 1: and then you disrupt my practice by being late and
Speaker 1: not showing up and then having to stay hello to
Speaker 1: everybody when you get there. You're an interruption, So like
Speaker 1: just let me know so that you can you know,
Speaker 1: I could tell that the team that you're on your
Speaker 1: way and that you're just gonna jump in and warm
Speaker 1: up on your own, but just holding the accountable for
Speaker 1: their actions. Dr Christine, I'm gonna start with you on
Speaker 1: this next question. It's you know, when kids are are
Speaker 1: young and like our daughter, Okay, she is competitive as
Speaker 1: competitive as jan and I and if she doesn't win,
Speaker 1: she's pissed, I mean crying like I didn't win. So
Speaker 1: we're trying to like teach her to let her brother
Speaker 1: win sometimes or you know, other people are gonna win
Speaker 1: and when someone else wins, you just say good job, right,
Speaker 1: So she's starting to come around on it. But Jane
Speaker 1: and I are were kind of torn at times because
Speaker 1: we're like do we want to like bring her off
Speaker 1: of that competitiveness and like humble her, or do we
Speaker 1: want to and you know, encourage it or it's like
Speaker 1: that kind of like where's like the neuroscience behind that
Speaker 1: kind of how we can handle it the best. So
Speaker 1: I would say to that that you want to let
Speaker 1: her have her or ocean let her emote now obviously
Speaker 1: if you see it going in a you know, a
Speaker 1: full out tantrum or something. You want to model the
Speaker 1: right behavior, but respecting her emotion about it. Obviously, some
Speaker 1: kids are gonna be more upset about a loss than others,
Speaker 1: so you so you let her do that so she
Speaker 1: can handle her emotions and then you're gonna teach her
Speaker 1: ways to calm it down. So yes, I have that reaction,
Speaker 1: I'm excited about this, I'm upset about this, and then
Speaker 1: you're gonna model for her how we calm ourselves down
Speaker 1: and we move on and then we can talk about it.
Speaker 1: So I'm like Cherson, We've we've talked about this several times.
Speaker 1: We we would not squash that or try to change it,
Speaker 1: because that's that's who they are, you know, So letting
Speaker 1: her do that and feel safe in expressing herself organically,
Speaker 1: you know, just her natural self. This is how she feels.
Speaker 1: But then you and your wife are her role models
Speaker 1: for and this is how I calm myself down, because
Speaker 1: you're also teaching her emotional control. Because there's things called
Speaker 1: mirror neurons where when someone is upset, then our brain
Speaker 1: re acts and then we start mirroring them. And she's four,
Speaker 1: so it's probably not happening yet, but when they're sixteen,
Speaker 1: it's pretty crazy, so that everybody's yelling, so you want
Speaker 1: to be aware of that, like how am I miling?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, that was upsetting. And then so teaching you
Speaker 1: know those ways like maybe you need to take a walk,
Speaker 1: maybe you need to take a break from thinking about it,
Speaker 1: maybe you need to journal it, or you're not doing
Speaker 1: that at before. But um, but the way you react
Speaker 1: to it, and you're teaching her how to self soothed
Speaker 1: after she's really upset, that's that's what. Yeah, it says
Speaker 1: from a coaching aspect, it's the hardest thing to pull
Speaker 1: from kids. So I wouldn't want to take it away
Speaker 1: from her. At four she's competitive, Let her be competitive.
Speaker 1: But when I say to those athletes is like how
Speaker 1: you feel when you lose is how most people feel
Speaker 1: every day if you were competitive and you're beating them.
Speaker 1: So you gotta respect like their emotions, So try to
Speaker 1: like hold back and not get so excited. Maybe when
Speaker 1: you're constantly, you know, beating your brother, you know, and
Speaker 1: you don't want to necessarily let him win, but understand
Speaker 1: and like how he feels when he loses and he's
Speaker 1: not very happy and upset, and just you know, you
Speaker 1: don't want to pull too much on that competitive edge
Speaker 1: that she has, but just making her aware of other
Speaker 1: people's feelings, and then when she feels that loss, that's
Speaker 1: the time. That's the teaching moment right there, Like she
Speaker 1: at your one year old saying in your face, that's
Speaker 1: happening to teach. Different take take that. I don't care
Speaker 1: if you're one. I still wants like the locker room
Speaker 1: celebratings in her bedroom. Yeah exactly, Yeah, go upstairs and
Speaker 1: celebrate the game. I love it. And I could talk
Speaker 1: to you ladies all day because I just love talking
Speaker 1: about this whole stuff. And my thing is, like I
Speaker 1: feel like you probably got this question a lot, Christie.
Speaker 1: What do you want to coach? Do you want to coach?
Speaker 1: And obviously you're coaching now, and people ask me that,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, but I would never coach anything past
Speaker 1: high school, so eventually I want to. I want to
Speaker 1: start coaching my kids. I want to coach high school.
Speaker 1: I'm scared of parents today because I'm just old fashioned,
Speaker 1: and so I'm you know, I'm kind of anxious for
Speaker 1: those days because I don't know if I'll be able
Speaker 1: to handle it as politically correct as you know, people
Speaker 1: expect you to so for you personally, how have you
Speaker 1: kind of dealt with that as an obstacle as a
Speaker 1: coach with parents today. Yeah, just honestly, it's having those
Speaker 1: that open communication on your your outcome goal for your
Speaker 1: team and like the process that your your thoughts in
Speaker 1: the process that you're gonna try to instill to get
Speaker 1: them there with the parents early on, you know, whether
Speaker 1: it's a team that's going to be rotating playing time
Speaker 1: and if it's not, you have to make sure that's
Speaker 1: clear to the parents before saying, like you're gonna earn this,
Speaker 1: you know, And some of my teams out that way.
Speaker 1: It's like they have to earn their planning time and
Speaker 1: if they are strong with their playing time, they have
Speaker 1: to come to me. I don't want to hear from you,
Speaker 1: you know, making the older players be accountable and making
Speaker 1: sure that you're clear with the parents on that, like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear from you. It's their time
Speaker 1: to be responsible, accountable and the younger ones, depending on
Speaker 1: what level that are at. You know, you can still
Speaker 1: earn your playing time at a younger age, but as
Speaker 1: long as the parents know what they're setting themselves up for.
Speaker 1: It's so much easier because if you're honest up front
Speaker 1: right away, it makes the journey so much easier because
Speaker 1: I've made mistakes where I haven't really addressed the group
Speaker 1: as a whole of like what my plan was. And
Speaker 1: it's hard because when you're trying to develop and put
Speaker 1: a lot of skill set into the technique behind the game,
Speaker 1: losses do come and when parents just want to win,
Speaker 1: it doesn't align with them. So we kind of butt
Speaker 1: heads and it's just like it's okay, you're you know,
Speaker 1: move your child onto a different team then because it
Speaker 1: doesn't align with what I wanted to teach because I
Speaker 1: want them to be able to understand the game as
Speaker 1: well and be able to play. Dr Christine, as a
Speaker 1: former crazy parent, how what what would help you like
Speaker 1: as the parent? Just so when I am the parent
Speaker 1: of you know, of of of my kids and they
Speaker 1: have coaches and everything, what would help you as the parent?
Speaker 1: Is it Christie's approach? Like what has helped you? So?
Speaker 1: One of one of my son's coaches when he was
Speaker 1: in high school, actually, uh at a breakfast with the parents,
Speaker 1: he said, if I hope I quote him correctly. He said,
Speaker 1: you know, there's three roles. I'm the coach, there's the players,
Speaker 1: and there's the parents. And we have our team, we
Speaker 1: have our eight team players, and I'm the coach. So
Speaker 1: there's only one more role left and that's yours, and
Speaker 1: that's a supportive role. And he made it very clear
Speaker 1: from the beginning, Um, you're here to support. Do not
Speaker 1: come to me with questions about playing time. If that's
Speaker 1: a you know, a question you have, that's for your
Speaker 1: son to address with me. And then he made the
Speaker 1: channel of communication clear. So you have a concern, start
Speaker 1: with the assistant coach. You can email me the good
Speaker 1: old twenty four hour rule. Don't communicate with me until
Speaker 1: twenty four hours after a game. So he laid that
Speaker 1: out and then it was just very clear where he stood.
Speaker 1: You know, he was a high school coach, so he
Speaker 1: was able to do that. Um, we propose for travel
Speaker 1: teams creating a mission statement where collectively parents get together
Speaker 1: with the coach coach lays out this is this isn't deal,
Speaker 1: this is the team. And you can also address issues
Speaker 1: like are we the team that yells on the sidelines?
Speaker 1: Are we the team that yells at the refs because
Speaker 1: I've I've myself gotten upset at games because I have
Speaker 1: other parents yelling at reps, and I think it makes
Speaker 1: the game unsafe because now if you're if you've upset
Speaker 1: a ref, now the refs aren't making the same calls.
Speaker 1: Now they're emotional, and then it can be unsafe for
Speaker 1: the kids. So when you when you can all get
Speaker 1: on the same page, because we do so much prep
Speaker 1: like training, you know, all this money into getting ready
Speaker 1: for a season, but then rarely do we get together
Speaker 1: and communicate like what does this look like? Like we're
Speaker 1: all stakeholders in it, and we can't pretend that parents
Speaker 1: aren't a big part of it because parents do so
Speaker 1: much to make all of that happen. So I think
Speaker 1: it's a matter of the coaches setting up like these
Speaker 1: are my boundaries, these are my guidelines, and then let's
Speaker 1: talk about what this team looks like, like are we
Speaker 1: equal playing time team or we earn your playing time team?
Speaker 1: And you know, just addressing those issues because when it's
Speaker 1: when it's out there, I think ahead of the time,
Speaker 1: you really clear this up, you know, And I think
Speaker 1: it it comes parents to to to know because they're
Speaker 1: not wondering. You know, that's brilliant. I hope everyone really
Speaker 1: listens back to that, because that's that's fantastic. And again,
Speaker 1: that's something I'm gonna make a mental note of as
Speaker 1: a parent, as a coach, and even if I have
Speaker 1: to be the one as a parent to kind of
Speaker 1: set that up. I mean, that's definitely something if everyone's
Speaker 1: on the same page, and like you said, everyone's a
Speaker 1: stake older that's never heard it describe that way and
Speaker 1: articulate that way. So thank you for that. That was amazing.
Speaker 1: And before I let you guys go, what's one thing
Speaker 1: each that you really hope the readers of this book
Speaker 1: kind of take from it? I think the overall one
Speaker 1: of the overall messages is just being comfortable with that uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: you know, because sports put you in those environments where
Speaker 1: you do feel uncomfortable, and just be aware of your
Speaker 1: motions and your intentions, you know, And and there's so
Speaker 1: much more to sports than just winning. Yes, we all
Speaker 1: want to win, but there's so much more that we
Speaker 1: get out of it. For me, I'd say, like, enjoy
Speaker 1: the journey, enjoy the process, trust the process, Trust the process.
Speaker 1: I mean That's that's what it is. It's a journey,
Speaker 1: and I think there's so many pressures and and it's
Speaker 1: you know, childhood is quick, it's speedy. You can get
Speaker 1: swept up. So I mean that's why we name the
Speaker 1: book be all In as a reminder to be present there,
Speaker 1: you know, to be all in, all spheares, mindful of
Speaker 1: what's going on and not just kind of like swept up.
Speaker 1: Because as I have a child right now in college
Speaker 1: for the first year, everybody says that it's so cliche,
Speaker 1: goes so fast, but sure, it really does go so fast.
Speaker 1: So to enjoy all those moments and instead of looking
Speaker 1: ahead all the time, so like what's next, what's next,
Speaker 1: and just being president at that boring teaball game. Thank
Speaker 1: you Christie and Dr Christine so much. This was an
Speaker 1: awesome interview. I really appreciate and enjoy talking to y'all.
Speaker 1: Where can our listeners find this book and purchase it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: right now, it's on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Target, Walmart,
Speaker 1: and we have a website called be all In book
Speaker 1: dot Com that will start to update after people start
Speaker 1: reading the books to keep it current and the current
Speaker 1: times of sports. I think when I whenever I do
Speaker 1: become a coach, I'm going to hand one of these
Speaker 1: out to each parent and be like, hey, this is
Speaker 1: this is my mission statement. Here you go homework. Take
Speaker 1: this home and read it and then come talk to me.
Speaker 1: Thank you Christie and Dr Christine so much for coming on.
Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. Thank you Michael for having us.
Speaker 1: Of course, thank you. Nice to meet you. Well. I
Speaker 1: hope all of you enjoyed that. UM. I wish Jana
Speaker 1: would have been able to to stay with us and
Speaker 1: be a part of that. UM. But I just really
Speaker 1: think you guys have heard me on here before talk
Speaker 1: about how passionately I am about you know, kids and
Speaker 1: their influence in sports and kind of the mentality behind
Speaker 1: all of that. So I'm definitely gonna get the this
Speaker 1: book and read it again. It's called Be All In
Speaker 1: by Christie Rampone and Dr Christine Keane. Go go get it,
Speaker 1: take a list, and educate yourself before you become that
Speaker 1: crazy parent on the sideline, because we gotta remember it's
Speaker 1: about our kids, you know. So this was this was
Speaker 1: a really cool experience to talk to them. So Jenna
Speaker 1: will be back next week and uh, we'll keep on
Speaker 1: winding down later guys,