1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Breeding. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They called 6 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. It is the top of 10 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: the week. We have returned from ed adventures sneak peek 11 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: behind the curtain, folks, not to put you on blast. 12 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: Code named Doc, but Doc has been traveling even more 13 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: than the three of us. I think we're all going 14 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: to be on the road increasingly as the calendar year continues, 15 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: pending future versions of COVID and or World War three. 16 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: Uh this, but as long as the lights stay on 17 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: for this little thing called humanity, we are going to 18 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: be bringing this show to you. Strange News one of 19 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: our favorite weekly segments. We're talking about coming back from 20 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: the dead, no kidding. We're talking about the some of 21 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: the dangerous deep fake potential that we described at length 22 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: in earlier episodes, we're seeing some of the rubber hit 23 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: the road there, and then we're going to talk about 24 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: some more corporate malfeasance in a way that definitely affects 25 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: you if you live in the United States. It's a 26 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: huge bubber, but it's very true. So maybe before we 27 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: dive into that stuff, folks, what do you think we uh, 28 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: we start with coming back from the Dead. You want 29 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: to do like a Flatliners kind of experimental thing. Yeah, 30 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: we're on board. Yeah it was. It was key for 31 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: Sutherland than that wasn't very much, was Yeah, key for 32 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: Sutherland of Dark City fame. I understand he's done another 33 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: another movie or two in his time. He also has 34 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:15,119 Speaker 1: a great, great presentation available on YouTube now about unionization 35 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: and it comes from his well, unionization and partisan politics. Uh, 36 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: it's introduced by him, but it's a speech from his grandfather. 37 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: Do do check it out. And like many grizzled Hollywood 38 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: actors of a certain age, Uh, he has a kind 39 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: of country western band. Oh, I did not know that. 40 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: I did not know. Well, this is our starting point here. 41 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: We didn't see key for Sutherland uh coming in as 42 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: a reference. But this is a story that would interest 43 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: you if you are let's see, if you're a fan 44 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: of flatliner, sure you're a fan of not dying, it 45 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: will probably be into this. So we know a little 46 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: bit about the brink of death. At this point, no 47 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: one in the human species has come up with an 48 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: idea about the end of life that satisfies everyone. Some 49 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: people have very specific spiritual beliefs, right. Some people are 50 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: more hardline atheists, right. The idea being that when the 51 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: physical activity of the brain ceases, the thing that you 52 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: think of as yourself, well metacognition there also ceases to exist. 53 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: And because of the great disagreements in the metaphysical and 54 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: spiritual realms, most of what humans can say about death 55 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: has to rely on what we can observe in the 56 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: physical world, has to rely on science. Right. So, if 57 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: you are if your brain doesn't have access to oxygen 58 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: for a certain amount of time, then you will almost 59 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: certainly uh fall victim to brain damage, damage to your cognition. 60 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: You can have something called brain death. Sometimes people do 61 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: come back from it, and sometimes even hibernation can save people. 62 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: This still is just a measure of extraordinary circumstances. The 63 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: main rule for about I mean an excess of nine 64 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: plus percent of these occurrences is that around fifteen minutes 65 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: after a mammal's brain is cut off from an oxygen supply, 66 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: the brain will die. That means that, no matter what, 67 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: there was no way back up until today. So here's 68 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: what happens. Uh. You know we've talked about experimentation. I 69 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: I know that I've been talking about a lot about 70 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: animal experimentation, from d extinction last week to a couple 71 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: of other cool things like chimera and oregan transplants. But 72 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: this one really caught my eye just very recently, just 73 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, the journal Nature published an astonishing 74 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: new study and I want everybody to check out an 75 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: excellent artic columnbox by Brian Rustick about this. I'm not 76 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: going to give you the headline yet, but here it is. 77 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: You know, the brain is one of the hungryest, most 78 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: resource sucking organs in the human body. It needs a 79 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: lot of stuff. It doesn't get its oxygen, it doesn't 80 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: hibernate or anything like that. The cells of the brain starved, 81 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: some burst open. There's a like a domino effect of 82 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: feedback loop gets created death. And for a long time 83 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: this was thought to be an irreversible pattern, and across 84 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: all mammals, you can't bring the brain back until these 85 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: researchers took thirty two pigs and did just that. They 86 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: took these pigs, thirty two have been slaughtered for food, 87 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: and the scientists, led by the nod Sesston over at Yale, 88 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: they took just the pigs brains and they waited for 89 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: four hours and then for six hours. They hooked them 90 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: up to a system named brain X brain e X, 91 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: and it pumped those brains full of a proprietary mixture 92 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: containing oxygen, nutrients, and some kind of protective chemicals we 93 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: could call them at the end of that. So it's 94 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: four hours waiting, six hours pumping this weird elixir into them. 95 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: After ten hours, they found that the pig brains were 96 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: not just largely intact, more intact than one would expect 97 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: if you're talking about just a regular decay in brain, 98 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: but individual brain cells came back. They were up and 99 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: running after four hours. Compare that to fifteen minutes after 100 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: four hours, they were taking oxygen, they were producing carbon dioxide, 101 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: and they were alive. What do you guys think, science fiction? 102 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: Science fact? This is an actual study that's a real thing, right, 103 00:06:53,720 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: brain X system is real. Um, it was conducted there, 104 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: it should have been. That's for us humans, the rest 105 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: of the humans to decide. Um. Ben, It's like, this 106 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: is horrifying to me, amazing and horrifying. Do like, can 107 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: you imagine if you hm, I'm just thinking of the 108 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: neural connections that the brain has to the rest of 109 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: the pig that is no longer there. And if you're 110 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: waking the brain up, like, do we know if it 111 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: was like bringing it back from the dead or if 112 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: it was just parts of it they were alive, right, 113 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: it was bringing That's an excellent question, man. So it 114 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: was bringing back cells, right, But it's not the same 115 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: thing as bringing back the entirety of the brain to 116 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: to be very very clear, And the outline that's in 117 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: in the journal article and in the other stuff you'll 118 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: see written about it. Uh, the neurons in these brains 119 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: were not communicating. So as far as we know, this 120 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: is why I bring up the spiritual stuff first. As 121 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: far as as far as we know, that means that 122 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: they are not qualifying for the scientific definition of consciousness, right, 123 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: which would be neurons actively communicating with one another. So 124 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: if you just had, Like I suspect you may have 125 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: had that, fellow conspiracy realist, if you just had a 126 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: terrifying moment where you thought of like an animal intelligent, 127 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: as intelligent as a young human, uh, just wondering where 128 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: its limbs are and screaming into the darkness with no 129 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: mouth to scream, shout out Ellison, then yeah, then you 130 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: can save yourself from that. The cells were live, which 131 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: is not the same thing as the consciousness returning. Yeah, 132 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking that, Yeah, but now I am, And 133 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: it's really upsetting. Exactly what can you imagine? Yeah? Yeah, 134 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: kill me? You know one of those moments. Um. Also, 135 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: who knows if if all of a sudden, you're your 136 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: flashback the reality you know, gravity, mom, spaghetti all that, 137 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: and you're just excruciating pain, or or you just like 138 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: you know you again, the phantom limbs sensation is just 139 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: enough to like instantly like drive you mad? Uh and 140 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: you you make the point beend like you know, pigs 141 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: are considered to be some of the more intelligent, uh 142 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,119 Speaker 1: four legged creatures. You compared it to like the cognition 143 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: of a small child. Is that pretty much supported by research? Yeah? Yeah, 144 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: pigs are incredibly intelligent. I just want to ruin everybody's 145 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 1: delicious bacon moment later. Uh, pigs are smarter than dogs. Uh, 146 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: They're on par with or maybe even a little smarter 147 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: than the average three year old human. So that is 148 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: that is true, That is indisputable. Um, And of course 149 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: you know your individual pig mileage may vary. I'm not 150 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: saying there aren't some dumb pigs out there, right, because 151 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: that's how mammals roll. It's an average, but but this, 152 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 1: these mammals will roll in their own feces, which is 153 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: a thing that maybe makes you think they might not 154 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: be super smart. But maybe onto each zone in that 155 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: respect as well, I suppose, right, Yeah, humans do a 156 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: lot of things that other animals would doubtly find inexplicable 157 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: or dumb humans do. Adult humans do a lot of 158 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: things that three year olds rightly question. You know, I 159 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: had a I was talking to a three year old 160 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: friend of my family one time, and this kid, very 161 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: smart kid. Uh, she was like, why do people wear ties? 162 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: You know, like neck ties? And I really have an 163 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: answer for because it's a dumb thing to do. It 164 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: doesn't really like it's a fashion thing. Right. We do 165 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: have a brain stuff video on why people probably ended 166 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: up wearing ties, but it's it's a story for another day. 167 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: The cool thing about this is it ties into something 168 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: else that we've talked about in the past, which is 169 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: the problem with making serious progress in a political system, 170 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: like honestly, like a lot of democracies, because big gains 171 00:10:55,600 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: in the world, big progress is often a long term aim, right, 172 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: So if you have someone who's elected for two years 173 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: or someone who's elected to for four years, regardless of 174 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 1: their political party, they're usually going to be centered on 175 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: making changes that are apparent within that within that time 176 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: window such that they can be re elected, which is 177 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: why you don't see a lot of grand you know, 178 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: fifty year plans come to fruition all that often, at 179 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: least here in the US. Not to mention that if 180 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: you laid out the ground for that, the person that 181 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: succeeds you could just reverse everything you've done anyway. So 182 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: the system is not even designed for like those kinds 183 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: of long term plans because there's so little like you know, 184 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: um consensus, you know, from term to term. Unfortunately true, 185 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: especially when you're talking about scoring political points. And this 186 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: is this is a point that is not necessarily party specific. 187 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: It's important to point that out. So, of course, here's 188 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: why I'm bringing up the politics part of it. Though 189 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: this piece is following the brain X system again. Brain 190 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: E e X comes out of something from the National 191 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: Institute of Health, the Brain Initiative. It is acronym time. 192 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if we have a sound queue for that, 193 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: but who doesn't love a good acronym. I certainly do. 194 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: Brain Initiative stands for brain research through advancing innovative neurotechnologies. 195 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: This game from the Obama administration, from their idea years 196 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: back to map the human brain and thus create new 197 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: tools to study it. This actually reached fruition in some way, 198 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: like it has measurable progress. If we have we being 199 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: the scientists evolved, have conclusively poked a hole into the 200 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: old belief that there was a time limit on brain 201 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: cell death. Um, then this has much much more potential 202 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: than just causing a possible existential crisis for pigs that 203 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 1: have been brought back from the dead. Like, first you 204 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: have to figure out how to bring the whole brain back, right, 205 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: how do we get the how do we get the 206 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: thought that you up and running? And well, it poses 207 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: some really cool stuff, Like, let's be honest, the badger 208 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: in the bag here, the elephant in the room is 209 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: the idea that one day you could help revive people's 210 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: brains after massive trauma, right like a stroke or something, 211 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: or maybe even maybe even sometime in the future brain death. 212 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: But for right now, the more realistic idea is one 213 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: that is a little bit ethically sticky. What if we 214 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: could partially bring back brains, but if we never figure 215 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: out how to do it the whole way, but we 216 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: could partially bring back brains such that we can test 217 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: drugs and disease pathways or the progression of disease in 218 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: the brain. Typically, that's gonna be okay for many parts 219 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: of the world, as long as the brains are non 220 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: human like, up to and including chimpanzees or something you know. 221 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: But again, the biggest progress, or the most the most 222 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: promising potential for progress, it's going to be found in 223 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: pulling a Lazarus on a human brain and then using it. 224 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: And that is where we get into very dangerous waters. 225 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: So at this point this may be an episode in 226 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: the future. We've got our eyes ears currently living brains 227 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: on the story, and we'll report back with an update, 228 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: But in the meantime, what do you think at what 229 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: price progress? Would you agree to support this kind of 230 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: research on pigs or on other mammals were indeed on 231 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: human beings who had donated their brains and bodies to science, 232 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: or do you think it's too much of a dark art. 233 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: Would love to hear your thoughts. Three std w y 234 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: t K Conspiracy Dieheart radio dot com. We're gonna pause 235 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: for word from our sponsor and we'll be on to 236 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: even stranger News and we're back with what Ben has 237 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: promised is a stranger news story than pigs, brains and 238 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: jars promise. Yeah, I hope I can meet that very 239 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: high bar. I'm not sure if I can, but I 240 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: will certainly try. Matt, you had you had something that 241 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: you wanted to add to the pigs, brains and jars convo, 242 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: I believe before we moved on it just really quickly. 243 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: Is making me think about last week and the box 244 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: of human heads that was discovered and just made me think, oh, 245 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: what were they really doing with that box of heads? 246 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: But do you think they're poking them up? I don't know. 247 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: I hope not. Well, you know me, I hope So 248 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: for science, but I'm the worst person ask okay, all right? 249 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: That was all right? So in other you know, bizarro 250 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: developments of the future, which also is the present. Um, 251 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: We've got a bit of an update or sort of 252 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: an escalation to a story that I did last week 253 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: that we had a fun time talking about. You know, 254 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: it's definitely some nightmare fuel black mirror type material, but 255 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: just the evolution, the very quick evolution of the deep fake. 256 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: You know, you've got shades of deep fakes from what's 257 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: called cheap fakes, which are like, you know, using an 258 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:23,359 Speaker 1: app essentially to manufacture a not particularly convincing video forgery 259 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: of a person. You know, like you seen those apps 260 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: that like you put you you can be Rose, you know, 261 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: holding Leo and promising him that you can fly whichever 262 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: way that scenario goes, say, he'll never let go. It 263 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: can be you and like your significant other or your mom, 264 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: you can do that all through an app that I 265 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: think uses Internet um resources to actually make those video 266 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: composites UM otherwise I imagine it would take up with 267 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: hum space on your device. Point being shades of this 268 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: stuff from very silly and gimmicky to shockingly real and 269 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: to some that are kind of in the middle UM. 270 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: And we are now seeing this coming into play um 271 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: in the conflict in Ukraine, where some deep fakers used 272 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: this technology to manufacture a video of Ukraine President Vladimir 273 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: Zelinski commanding essentially or at least you know, urging um 274 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: Ukrainian soldiers and civilians and you know, people basically standing 275 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: up for and defending the country against the Russian invaders 276 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: to lay down their arms. Uh. Didn't do a putaily 277 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 1: good job because I don't think anybody bought it. Um. 278 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: It was more on the cheap fake side than it 279 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: was full on deep fay uh And and the differences 280 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: are are huge. But the point is we are starting 281 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: to see a world where you can really understand how 282 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: incredibly damaging that would be, especially in some of these 283 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: types of situations, you might have a leader that goes 284 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: into hiding, you know, in some kind of bunker. Zelenski 285 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: has really gotten a lot of attention because he hasn't 286 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: been doing it. He's like actively doing videos and tweets 287 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: and stuff from his office, like he is making no 288 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: secrets about where he is UM, which I think is 289 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: you know, very brave, perhaps a little stupid, but I 290 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: think ultimately very brave and inadmirable. It's just you know, 291 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 1: I mean, he represents something very powerful, and it would 292 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: be a real bummer, uh and I think a real 293 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: hit and moral if he were to you know, be killed, 294 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: or if his office were to be bombed, or maybe 295 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: it would be just the kind of ground swell that's needed. 296 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: But unfortunately, more morale isn't necessarily what wins wars. It's 297 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: more like monetary assistance from other countries and more weaponry. Um, 298 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: but that is yet to be seen as too, you 299 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: know how um much aid the US ends up giving Ukraine. 300 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: But that's not the point. The point today is deep fakes, 301 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: and just like social media, infiltration is becoming a big 302 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: part of the conversation. There's another article that I saw 303 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: um ventially there are hundreds, uh if not thousands of 304 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: Zelinsky impersonators on social media, working towards various goals, uh, 305 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 1: anything you think of. Right, So there's a lot of 306 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: big again because Zelinski is getting this you know, kind 307 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: of deified treatment in the West and obviously in Ukraine, 308 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: people posing Zelinsky are trying to get people to give money. Um. 309 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: It ultimately just ends up being a scam. Um and 310 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: or you know, trying to kind of like sway the 311 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: discourse around the war in Ukraine. UM, for better or worse. 312 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: It's it's all very vague as to like what the 313 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: aims of all of these people. There's too many to 314 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: uh to follow, it says here. According to Forbes, um, 315 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: because of Zelenski's success and connecting with people like you know, 316 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: as in being kind of the people's president, UM, he 317 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: has become a very popular tool for Internet impersonators who 318 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: are trying to use that status to get what they want. 319 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: And there have been fake impersonator accounts popping up on 320 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: everywhere from Instagram to Twitter to Telegram, which is like 321 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: an encrypted chat and image sharing platform. Here here's a 322 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: quote from Yo Have Karen the CEO of brand Shield, 323 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: which is a company that has devised technology to scan 324 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: the Internet to analyze threats and detect things like fishing 325 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: hacks and online brand abuse and trademark infringement. They said 326 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: she had this to say, Um, since the beginning of 327 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: Russia's invasion of u CRAM, you've identified a major spike 328 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: in profiles impersonating Zelinsky. She goes on to say, during 329 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: our last scam, we detected personators on Facebook, thirty down 330 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: on Twitter, twenty on Instagram, twenty two on Telegram, and 331 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty five on v K, the Russian 332 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: social media platform, between impersonations of Ukrainian President Zelinsky on 333 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 1: social media, hacks distributing fake messages from Zelinsky and website impersonations, 334 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: and typo squatting attacks on Privac Bank, Ukraine's biggest bank. 335 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: We're seeing a broad mix of fake online profiles as 336 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: well as scammers looking to capitalize on the crisis. UM. 337 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: During periods of peace, cyber crimes genuine risk to average consumers, 338 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 1: and companies and organizations look to protect their reputations. However, 339 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: during times of conflict, cyber attacks posing even greater threat, 340 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: both physically and financially to those who are already being 341 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: battered by war. I actually, guys, I think this this 342 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: number seems small to me. I would think they'd be 343 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: way more than that UM, But maybe it's just kind 344 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: of starting to take off. And it depends on the 345 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: criteria used to define that. You know, you have to 346 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: differ between like something that's obviously meant to be fake 347 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: or something that's obviously like satire. So I bet there's 348 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: a lot of satire out there that's knowingly you know, 349 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: within not knowing. Yeah, and it's a good point. I'm 350 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: not quite sure what the criteria is, but it would 351 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: definitely fall under like they are trying to create an 352 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: account that has the feeling of being a genuine account. 353 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: But also, you know, I think most people know that 354 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: the account of a person who's public as Zelenski is 355 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: going to have some sort of verification. So I don't 356 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 1: know if these accounts are verified or have people are 357 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: just kind of you know, being taken for a ride 358 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: and not like doing their homework. Are not aware of 359 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: of those things? Unclear? And we also don't know to 360 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: what degree these fraudulent accounts are are having success, are 361 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: making an impact, but the fact is that they do exist. 362 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: I don't know. This to me is just like this 363 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: social media stuff is sort of the low tech version 364 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: of what we're seeing with the deep fakes and as 365 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: as we've talked about in previous episodes and in the 366 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: last segment when we talked about UM, the the new 367 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 1: president of South Korea's UM deep fake that is very 368 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: clearly you know, acknowledge as being a deep fake. It's 369 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 1: not really trying to trick anybody. It could. I suppose 370 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: there is a disclaimer text you know in the videos 371 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 1: that says that it's an AI generated avatar, but enough 372 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: people maybe don't care or or looking for that. But again, 373 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 1: it's not really intended to deceive, So it's a different flavor, 374 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: but it still has this real slippery slope kind of 375 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: quality with this. If this was pulled off successfully, or 376 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: if you had a really high quality deep fake of 377 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,479 Speaker 1: of a leader saying they were going to deploy nuclear 378 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: weapons or something, could cause a panic, you know, in 379 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: the event of an actual war. It could cause tactical misfires, 380 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: It could cause all kinds of havoc. I don't know, 381 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: what do you think. Do you see this as kind 382 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 1: of like an escalation of the type of astroturfing and 383 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: you know social media manipulation that we've seen for years now, 384 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: Is this like sort of the next generation of that? 385 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: And have we seen the height of it yet? They 386 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: think it's probably state actors and those who would just 387 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: feel some type of way on either side of the conflict, 388 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: they're just using one of the weapons that they have 389 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: at their disposal. There's been a lot of psychological warfare 390 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: going on during this conflict. It comes from both sides. 391 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: It always does, no matter what, no matter what war, 392 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: no matter what's going on, or psychological warfare as part 393 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: of it's an aspect and for me, I think we're 394 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: just in general, in a really tight spot. Think about 395 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: when you're scrolling through whatever social media, we're used to seeing. 396 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 1: One of the main things that we see our reposts. 397 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: Repost where somebody takes content that's already been generated somewhere 398 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: and then manipulates it in some small way then reposts 399 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: it as their own thing. And I think a lot 400 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: of us are maybe accustomed to just taking whatever that 401 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: content is at face value and then moving on. And 402 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: if we you know, get bombarded with even if it's 403 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: a deep fake and pretty clearly a deep fake, it 404 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: has the potential to dig in somewhere in our mind 405 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: and you know, make us believe something that isn't true. 406 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: I think this is honestly pretty scary, knowing that we're here, 407 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: and if the if the conflict escalates even further and 408 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: spreads out in other parts of Europe and other parts 409 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: of the world, or engulfs you know, part of the 410 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: self China, see or something I think we're in a 411 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: dangerous spot with this tech. I want to add something there, Matt, 412 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: because I love that you're pointing this out. I didn't 413 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: want to know. I don't want to interrupt you. UM, 414 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: but I think this is very important for people to know. 415 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: So the the if you are a long time listener 416 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: of stuff they don't want you to know. First off, 417 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 1: thank you, but it may be tough for some of 418 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: us in the audience to realize that you probably have 419 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: a higher than average level of what I would call 420 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: media literacy, so you know, the basic hygiene of observing 421 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: something and determining whether it purports to be true or 422 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 1: whether it is in fact. Sincere a lot of people, 423 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: and this doesn't mean it's not anything about their intelligence. 424 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: It's just questions they haven't thought to ask or haven't 425 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: been taught to ask. A lot of people won't have 426 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,719 Speaker 1: that moment where they pause and say, hold on, I 427 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: thought this Zelinsky guy was kind of against Russia, right. Uh. 428 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: Instead they'll say, oh, this must be the news, and 429 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: that is something that the news cycle uses, and that 430 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: internet online communication uses to great success, for better or 431 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: for worse. Always question sources. This show included UH and 432 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: That's what I always want to hit when we're talking 433 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: about this, And please check out um because like we 434 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: have predicted this that the next big conflict would involve 435 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: information warfare on an unforeseen scale, and this is part 436 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: of it. But it's also again democratized, right because the 437 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: technology is out there to create these deep fakes. No, 438 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: will you make a great point, the South Korean president 439 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: alex avatar is tailored to different audiences but is transparent. 440 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: So I wouldn't say, like you point out, I'm just 441 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 1: agreeing that that is not a deep fake, but I 442 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:54,719 Speaker 1: would I would say I don't like easiness phrase all 443 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: the time, but now more than ever, please check the sources. 444 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: If it's like Washington whatever you care, like, whatever your 445 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: opinion Washington Post dot com is, if like, check the 446 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: website just to make sure it's not like Washington Post, 447 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,239 Speaker 1: dot co, dot f R or something like that. You know, 448 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: that's an example. I don't know if that's a real site. 449 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: But also dig a little deeper, you know what I mean, 450 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: figure out figure out if the people who are telling 451 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: you something or really who they want you to think 452 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: they are. And it's just gonna continue. It's escalating. Speaking 453 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 1: of you know this kind of media or technology literacy. 454 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: Our company preregularly sends us these like emails to try 455 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: to test us, to see if we are any good 456 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,959 Speaker 1: at that and to like, you know, see if we're 457 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: gonna fall for like a phishing scam or like whatever. 458 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 1: And I fell for one the other day. It was 459 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: like it looked like it was coming from an internal 460 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: email address. It was like something about a fax or whatever. 461 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: And I was like, I mean, I fell for the 462 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: facts one, dude, And then I got I got shamed, 463 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: I got hard. But dude, it literally I clicked on 464 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: the sender and it had an email address that was 465 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: in our domain. It was some like alias, and usually 466 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: that's the giveaway. So I definitely checked because I thought 467 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: it was odd. But then I was like, well, maybe 468 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: I did get a weird facts from some you know, 469 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,719 Speaker 1: marketing thing for like a book. Uh, they want us 470 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: to review someone who knows some facts. But my point 471 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: is I consider myself quite media literate, as as all 472 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: three of us are and technology savvy, and I totally 473 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: felt for that one. It felt like a real dope. 474 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: So it's that's the point is that things that things 475 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: are more and more saturated and as newer and newer 476 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: technology arrives, that level of rigor and paying attention is 477 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: gonna become more and more important than ever. You know, 478 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: rag me a little more about falling for the facts. 479 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: Scamp man. No, no, no, no, I'm sorry here, I 480 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: hear I I hear the shade in your voice. I 481 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: don't give you a list of the silly things that 482 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: I've fallen for in my life. It's very long. Let's 483 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: go rattle it off right now. Shame yourself for once, 484 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: Shame myself, all the shame. No shame man. But my 485 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: point is that these things are easy to fall for, 486 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: and it's it's tough. You have to be vigilant, and 487 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: to your point, then you have to vet these things, 488 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: and we need a system that can kind of you know, 489 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: offer some verification of this, uh this footage, you know, 490 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: and of of these videos, otherwise it could really become 491 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: a problem. But then it's also like if it's a 492 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: video of somebody saying something very pointed and very and 493 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: it's like a speech, right, not like you know, some 494 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: candid like dirt video of like you know, a Russian 495 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: pepe tape or something like that. Um, then the then 496 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: the actual person could come out and say no, that 497 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: was definitely not me. And that seems like it would 498 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: ring true, because if they're saying something in an authoritative 499 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: way directly to the people and then come out and say, hey, 500 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: that wasn't me, why would you belie Why would you 501 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,959 Speaker 1: not believe them? You know what I mean if it 502 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: was like presented in an official capacity. But maybe it 503 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: would be too late, right, So I don't know. It's 504 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: it's very very spooky. Let's let's give that a think 505 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: and have a break, and then we're back with one 506 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: more escalating Lee Stranger piece of listener. Now, I guarantee 507 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: it's just getting so strange in here. Now, Oh my god, 508 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: and we're back. All right, everyone, Let's take a moment 509 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: and think about all of the personal care products we 510 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: used this morning or last night as we were, you know, 511 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: doing maybe a shower routine, maybe, you know, getting ready 512 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: for the day. Children got you all of those things 513 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: you used their tears, only the lying children, only the 514 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: lion child. But I think you're going somewhere with it. 515 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: This has this has shades of some previous episodes we 516 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: did wherein I also predicted this, we get worse. What 517 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: was it we ruined sunscreen for everyone? Yes, almost exactly 518 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: this time last year, we ruined sunscreen. I'm putting that 519 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: in quotation when we talked about a chemical called benzophenone. 520 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: I think that's how you say it. And it was 521 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: discovered in many sunscreen products and or sun protection products, 522 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: however you want to say that, and it was a 523 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: real issue. I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong here, 524 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: but I believe one of the same independent study companies, 525 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: the companies that that do independent studies on consumer products, 526 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: is involved in this new thing that we're gonna be 527 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: talking about today. The company is titled Vala Short v 528 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: A l I s u r E. You can check 529 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: out their website valasher dot com. You can read it's 530 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: mostly a blog there like right up of some of 531 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: the things they've done. There's also some analysis you can 532 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: access there. And I'm going to talk about them really 533 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: quickly before we hit the headlines. So Vali Short is 534 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: an interesting company. You can go to their about page 535 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: and learn about them. As we say, and this is 536 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: a company that noticed there were discrepancies in many consumer 537 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: facing products, products that were available to regular customers like us, 538 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: and they noticed that there were batch variances, that there 539 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: were ingredient variances in different batches that were produced by 540 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: the same company. It's supposed to be the same product, 541 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: and there's differences in what's actually inside that thing, and 542 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: in particularly I think the story, at least according to 543 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: the website, is that one of the founders suffered from 544 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: complications caused by this variability, and it was according to them, 545 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: it's an it was an anti convulsant medication that had 546 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: some variants caused problems for him. So now what they 547 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: want to do is protect the world from this kind 548 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: of problem, right, It's it's very noble. It's good. You 549 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: don't have to fully buy into the story of the 550 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: company to know that the research they're conducting is important 551 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: because they are finding that this kind of variance is widespread. 552 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: So let's go over to the Guardian for our headline. 553 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: Here carcinogenic chemical benzene found in hundreds of US personal 554 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: care products. Now, the last thing we looked at sunscreen 555 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: was benzo phenone. This is ben zine, a little different. 556 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: Benzine is actually, in my opinion, quite a bit scarier. 557 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: This study. In the studies come to us pretty much 558 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: from the end of last year. I believe it was 559 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: November December when these when the product testing was actually occurring. 560 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: It's just now being reported on in the Guardian. This 561 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: is written by Tom Perkins, published March, and it's discussing 562 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: just the widespread issue here. I'll give you a quote. 563 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: Valischer has tested to date six hundred and sixty two items. 564 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: These are consumer products and found the chemical in one 565 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty of those six hundred and sixty two items, 566 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: or about twenty seven percent of products. Why is the 567 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 1: at bad? Why is that scary? Benzene? Is? Benzene, as 568 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: stated in the title of this article, is a cancer 569 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: causing chemical. It causes leukemia, which means cancer of the 570 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,919 Speaker 1: blood producing cells, the stuff that actually makes the white 571 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: blood cells in your body. And there are many different 572 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: kinds of leukemia where different types of blood cells, different 573 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: types of blood producing cells are affected. It is very, 574 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: very dangerous, and it has been banned by the way, 575 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: by the FDA as of well I think forty years ago, 576 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: maybe even longer than that. Forty five years ago, the 577 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: United States, through the Food and Drug Administration, banned benzine 578 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 1: as an ingredient. As an ingredient, so something you would 579 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: actually read on a label. But what they didn't ban 580 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,919 Speaker 1: is the use of benzine in the production of other 581 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: chemicals and other substances which would then be used as 582 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: an ingredient, and that's where we have our problem. Yeah, 583 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 1: it's kind of like just for comparison to get past 584 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: maybe some of the chemistry weeds here. It's kind of 585 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: like how if someone had an allergy to tree nuts, 586 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: they couldn't eat stuff that had tree nuts as an ingredient, 587 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 1: but they could still encounter dangerous, dangerous health impacts and 588 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: have severe allergic reactions if they ate something that was 589 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: in the same area of a factory where tree nuts 590 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,240 Speaker 1: were processed, which is why you have that label warning 591 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: people about a product now, and you only have that 592 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: label because something went wrong. So this is like another 593 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: example of how this um how this kind of contamination 594 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: can occur not necessarily due to purposely sinister or nefarious 595 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 1: actions on the part of producers, but almost certainly due 596 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: to negligence. And that's being very fair. I would say 597 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,359 Speaker 1: it's been very fair. Mat I think that is being fair, 598 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: and and some my mind been this would be as 599 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: if someone with a peanut allergy purchased something, uh like 600 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: fried corn, some kind of fried corn thing and it 601 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 1: was fried and peanut oil. But it just doesn't it 602 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 1: doesn't mention that. Oh, by the way, it was fried 603 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: and peanut oil, but or whatever. I don't know if 604 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: that's not a good Examples like sorting facilities where you know, 605 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever gotten like some tater 606 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: tots from a fast food restaurant and there was a 607 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,399 Speaker 1: French fry in there too, How that get in there? 608 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 1: I mean, there's certainly I'm obviously with things like allergies, 609 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: there are f d A, you know, procedures and approvals 610 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 1: that would require you definitely not ever mixed. But there 611 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: certainly could be contamination or if if if a company 612 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: is making multiple products that contain different types of nuts 613 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: and then one, you know, gets intermingled with the other, 614 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: certainly could happen. I always thought that meant they had 615 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: a crush on me. Oh well, look, you guys, this 616 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: is the last important thing to know. I was asking 617 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: you about your products that you use to get ready 618 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,439 Speaker 1: in the morning, because I'm gonna give you a list 619 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 1: here from the Guardian article of companies and brands that 620 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 1: have uh they've voluntarily recalled a bunch of their stuff. So, 621 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: according to The Guardian, Procter and Gamble Bear, CVS, and 622 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: Johnson and Johnson have issued voluntary recalls. This is a 623 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 1: quote for widely distributed brands including Brute Sure, Pantene, herbal Essences, 624 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: Old Spice, Secret To n Actin, Low Traman, Copper Tone, Neutrogena, 625 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: and a Vino. Here's a really, I mean, I know 626 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: I've used a few of those, like pretty recently. Great Great, 627 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: only just used products from manscape dot com that you 628 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: can avoid these kind of complications. But do they have 629 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: beard oil? Uh? Yeah, I think so. It's and they 630 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 1: don't use tree nuts. They just use these nuts and 631 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: benzene as a lubricant. Okay, Um, this is so hard 632 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: to Okay, I don't want to get into the fully 633 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: scary part because it really does freak me out. It's 634 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: just the thought that the FDA is supposed to have 635 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,320 Speaker 1: a handle on a lot of this stuff, they're supposed 636 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: to be watching. We think of them that way, at 637 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: least the Food and Drug Administration. We think, oh, that's 638 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: a protection agency that's going to keep us safe. But 639 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 1: really what they're doing is putting standards in place, and 640 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: then companies self report you know, this is these are 641 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: the ingredients in this thing. There are no you know, 642 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: there's none of this. There's none of that. The benzine 643 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 1: is two parts per million maximum, which is the limit. Uh, 644 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: And we just kind of take everybody. We just take 645 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: everyone's word as though it's true. I don't know, go ahead, 646 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 1: just say okay, so I want I want to do 647 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 1: it better on the fly comparison, because again, as I say, 648 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,880 Speaker 1: like a lot of the best learning is experiential or 649 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 1: through you know, analogy, right rooted and something you know. 650 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: So imagine not not many people in the world are 651 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 1: the heads of compliance at large companies like this, but 652 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people drive cars. So imagine if the 653 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 1: US said, just to save some cost here, speeding is 654 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 1: going to be on you. So you need to report 655 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: to us when you're speeding. Otherwise we're gonna take you 656 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 1: at your word that you're doing the limit until you 657 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: tell us otherwise. Or maybe once every few years we'll 658 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: have someone go to a city and see how many 659 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: people are actually doing forty five mit zone and then 660 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 1: act so surprised what it turns out that none of 661 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,840 Speaker 1: them are dude. You you get harassed in Atlanta for 662 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: going forty five and zone, you will get like side swing. 663 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: And the answer, by the way, is not cracked down 664 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: on the people going above forty five, is to change 665 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 1: the speed limit to fifty, which is like if you 666 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 1: think about that with the FDA, like, there are good 667 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,759 Speaker 1: people working at the FDA. No, look, I know you're 668 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,399 Speaker 1: out there. I know you're trying to do your job. 669 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,360 Speaker 1: It feels as though, rather than and crackdown on the 670 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 1: company's producing products that have toxic stuff in them, the 671 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,240 Speaker 1: parts per million, parts per billion or whatever the number 672 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 1: is gets raised a little bit because it seems it 673 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: feels as though it is necessary for a large amount 674 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: of business to continue. Right, Well, it's still safe, you know, 675 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: we'll run smarts. As it feels a little I mean 676 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: it's a little worse, but four parts per million isn't 677 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 1: that bad compared to two parts per million. I don't know, 678 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 1: it just it feels that way to me as a 679 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 1: consumer reading these kinds of reports from an independent study 680 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 1: from an independent company. Yeah, and then also the reason 681 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 1: is not quite the same as that off the cuff 682 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 1: speeding analogy is that it's it's often normal for people 683 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: to go, you know, five to ten over on an interstate, 684 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,879 Speaker 1: especially here in the fair metropolis in Atlanta, because a 685 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:57,279 Speaker 1: bit of speed over the limit is normally accepted as 686 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 1: still being safe. But there's not really an acceptable threshold 687 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,319 Speaker 1: of benzine exposure, right, there's not. No, this is just 688 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,360 Speaker 1: two miles over kind of comparison here, Yeah, exactly again, 689 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 1: Like what I've seen written here is two parts per 690 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:18,360 Speaker 1: million of benzene. Is like not okay, but that's the 691 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:23,760 Speaker 1: the absolute maximum you're supposed to have. Um oh, guys, 692 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,920 Speaker 1: I started this off by talking about the variance between batches. 693 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:31,399 Speaker 1: Right in this Fallasher study, they found in a ton 694 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: of these products, one like they get the same product 695 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 1: in different matches, one would have unacceptable benzine levels, the 696 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 1: other one would have zero benzine in it. So you're 697 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 1: saying there's a chance that will be okay twenty years 698 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:54,839 Speaker 1: from now. Okay, Uh yeah, I don't want to talk 699 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: about this anywhere, guys. The studies of the chemicals called 700 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 1: benz zene, I don't know, ben it is indeed named 701 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 1: after me, but in a much earlier iteration, I've changed 702 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 1: my ways. But yeah, yeah, so I'm not joking about 703 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,719 Speaker 1: the cancer thing too. That's the most dangerous part about 704 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,319 Speaker 1: this is that the long term, like asbestos and mes lithemioma, 705 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:27,919 Speaker 1: the long term effects can lag for decades before they've 706 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:32,439 Speaker 1: become adherent. So so, yeah, this is not well. Boy. 707 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 1: Check out our sunscreen episode. Check that one out. There's 708 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,319 Speaker 1: many aerosolized body sprays were affected in or or at 709 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,799 Speaker 1: least found by the same company to have issues with 710 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: ben zene um. There was also a whole issue with 711 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,240 Speaker 1: what was it um A lot of the hand sanitizers 712 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 1: that were manufactured immediately when the pandemic started, just people 713 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: got into the hand sanitizer game, and ben zene was 714 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 1: found in a lot of those, especially the ones that 715 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 1: were off brand, So just be aware of that UM 716 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: and it was they were considered what was it in 717 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 1: a time of crisis? I forget the exact quotation, but 718 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 1: the FDA and other agencies were just for other groups 719 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 1: were like, uh, you know what, the small amount of 720 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 1: benzinge in here actually provides, you know, a therapeutic thing 721 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,880 Speaker 1: in the form of like killing stuff that might be 722 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: on your hands and possibly the virus. But yeah, it's 723 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:34,839 Speaker 1: not so great anymore. Let's not do that anymore. Um oh. 724 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 1: Also check out the f d A dot gov website 725 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,680 Speaker 1: and search for f d A alerts drug manufacturers to 726 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,240 Speaker 1: the risk of benzine contamination in certain drugs. It's another 727 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,880 Speaker 1: thing that you won't want to have read after you 728 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,880 Speaker 1: read it, but it's important. And if you want to 729 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 1: learn more about benzene, head over to cancer dot org 730 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:59,040 Speaker 1: and just type in benzine and cancer risk. Good stuff. 731 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 1: And while you are on the internet, we want to 732 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: thank you for spending some time with us today. We 733 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,799 Speaker 1: also love to hear from you. What do you think 734 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:14,160 Speaker 1: the ethical quandaries of bringing a mammal's brain back from 735 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,319 Speaker 1: the dead are? What do you think they will be 736 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:21,400 Speaker 1: in the future. 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