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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact,
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Speaker 4: As we talk with the top experts. Hi, and welcome
Speaker 4: to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today I'm
Speaker 4: going to be speaking with writer, producer, director, actor musician
Speaker 4: mister Mark Christopher Lee. He is quite prolific to the
Speaker 4: tune of releasing at least seventy six albums and over
Speaker 4: five thousand songs and having millions of streams. It's incredible
Speaker 4: he's here today because he's also a ufologist and a
Speaker 4: filmmaker whose last film, The King of UFOs, is now
Speaker 4: out on tub It takes a look at the British
Speaker 4: Royals in their interest in UFOs. His previous film, Gods
Speaker 4: Versus Aliens, was premiered at con Film Festival. Today, we're
Speaker 4: going to take a deep dive into the findings that
Speaker 4: Mark had regarding these films and some of his other
Speaker 4: insights on UFOs and the phenomenon. Hey, Mark, thanks a
Speaker 4: lot for coming on today. I hope we're not interrupting
Speaker 4: you from writing a song. You're probably in the middle
Speaker 4: of writ ling on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I haven't written a song for a while. I'm
Speaker 5: actually busy doing a soundtrack for my new film, which
Speaker 5: I'll tell you about later.
Speaker 4: It's amazing how much you accomplished. I'm envious of your creativity.
Speaker 4: Let's start off here, Mark, and let's take a look
Speaker 4: at this last film I just watched it called King
Speaker 4: of UFOs, which takes a look at the royal family
Speaker 4: in England and their involvement experiences and what appears to
Speaker 4: be to me Mark a belief or at the very
Speaker 4: least a very strong interest in UFOs and paranormal absolutely.
Speaker 5: And I found this out probably about twelve months ago.
Speaker 5: I was making another film and I went to this
Speaker 5: UFO archive in Stratford upon Avon in England, Shakespeare's country,
Speaker 5: and this retired police detective called John Hanson. He's got
Speaker 5: this fabulous UFO archive there with thousands of documented sightings, photographs, videos,
Speaker 5: but he's also showed me letters he had received from
Speaker 5: the Queen and Prince Philip about UFOs and I was like,
Speaker 5: WHOA did not know this? And John Hanson his name is.
Speaker 5: He wrote a series of books, Haunted Skies about UFOs
Speaker 5: and he would send them to Prince Philip and the
Speaker 5: Queen and they would write back saying they enjoyed the book,
Speaker 5: They're going to add it to their UFO and paranormal collection.
Speaker 5: And it just opened the door. I think this would
Speaker 5: make a really good idea for a film, and I
Speaker 5: guess the idea. Why were passionate about making it is like,
Speaker 5: especially in the UK, UFOs and UAPs whatever you want
Speaker 5: to call them, and not taken seriously by the mainstream
Speaker 5: at all. They still laughed at there's still a bit
Speaker 5: of a jokey thing, whereas this completely different in the US.
Speaker 4: I think yes, I would say that certainly since twenty seventeen,
Speaker 4: we've seen a real shift. It's still not completely accepted mainstream.
Speaker 4: There's still definitely a delineation between the UFO community and
Speaker 4: mainstream America, but there has been a movement. You're right
Speaker 4: that it is more so that hasn't occurred in England.
Speaker 5: Huh No, not yet. And I just wanted to make
Speaker 5: the point that, you know, people like the Queen and
Speaker 5: Prince Philip were very serious about UFOs and crop circles,
Speaker 5: so maybe we should be taking them more seriously. And
Speaker 5: that's the point I'm getting across. Really, I don't don't
Speaker 5: have any of the answers, like, no one really we
Speaker 5: don't know what these things are, but there's something unidentified
Speaker 5: in the skies and I just think it should be
Speaker 5: taking more seriously. In the UK.
Speaker 4: How open are they about this? Is this just like
Speaker 4: these private letters and these things in the archives that
Speaker 4: you discovered, or do they ever openly speak about this?
Speaker 5: It's difficult politically, They've got to kind of keep it
Speaker 5: quiet really because you've got the Ministry of Defense, you know,
Speaker 5: we've got Nick Pope used to work there in the film,
Speaker 5: who say basically, there's nothing there. There's nothing in the skies,
Speaker 5: nothing of defense significance. So they've got the government saying that.
Speaker 5: So the Queen and Prince Philip is saying it was
Speaker 5: something different, you know, King Charles now saying oh, actually
Speaker 5: there's something to it. It's politically embarrassing, so they've got
Speaker 5: to be a bit quiet. And Prince Philip, he was
Speaker 5: the warn royal I found. I had this passionate interest
Speaker 5: and belief. Basically, like you said, it's a belief and
Speaker 5: that goes back to the nineteen fifty and it's various
Speaker 5: encounters that he had convinced that there was something more
Speaker 5: to it than just misidentification. And we did find out
Speaker 5: though that King Charles when he was Prince did attend
Speaker 5: a UFO Crop Circle conference in Wiltshire where and that
Speaker 5: was quite open about that. I think now he's king,
Speaker 5: it's a bit different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were going to get him to speak of
Speaker 4: contact in the desert, but now that he's actually king,
Speaker 4: I think that's not going to happen. So I think
Speaker 4: I can dash that. Okay, So you brought up Prince
Speaker 4: Philip here his uncle Lord Mount Betton had a huge
Speaker 4: interest in this subject and he even wrote an official
Speaker 4: report about a flying also that landed on his Broadlands
Speaker 4: estate in Romsey, Hampshire, after it was spotted by his
Speaker 4: bricklayer Fred Briggs, back in February of fifty five. Right,
Speaker 4: this is quite amazing mark that he would be willing
Speaker 4: to make an official report.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean what it was. We only found this
Speaker 5: out when his archives were released to the public and
Speaker 5: someone toll for them found this fascinating report. Basically, it's
Speaker 5: incredible and it's on a royal estate, Broadlands in Hampshire,
Speaker 5: and basically, yeah, although Mirke Batten wasn't present, he did
Speaker 5: give a statement, like you say, testifying to the honesty
Speaker 5: integrity of Fred Briggs, who was the bricklayer workmen we
Speaker 5: saw this landing and he said he's got no reason to,
Speaker 5: you know, disbelieve him. And Briggs had made a drawing
Speaker 5: of this craft of a ladder coming down and occupied
Speaker 5: getting out and it so took him by surprise that
Speaker 5: he was knocked off his bike apparently, so it was,
Speaker 5: and this happened on a royal property, so that that's
Speaker 5: a fascinating count and Batten, like you say he was.
Speaker 5: He was the first royal I think, to be interested
Speaker 5: in UFOs. And he was bet a lot of time
Speaker 5: at sea as admiral of the Navy, and you know
Speaker 5: he saw things whilst at sea and was documenting him
Speaker 5: in the ship's log and things like that. So he was,
Speaker 5: you know, massively into this unexplained phenomenon.
Speaker 4: And that was back in nineteen fifty five when when
Speaker 4: the whole world this this was a new topic and
Speaker 4: it was looked at very differently than it is today.
Speaker 4: So I find it even more bold of him to
Speaker 4: come out with such a thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's another thing, because his biographer, called Philip Ziegler,
Speaker 5: he wrote about Matt Batton, say, Matt Batten thought that
Speaker 5: there's some sort of psychic, spiritual element, non physical to UFOs.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know back in the nineteen fifties that
Speaker 5: no one had said that before.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, that's incredible. I don't think I've ever heard of
Speaker 4: someone refer to that back in the day. We have
Speaker 4: seen a trend. Obviously you're aware that you know, this
Speaker 4: was a nuts and boltz craft thing, and it's really evolved.
Speaker 4: We hear these extra tempestrials, we hear crypto terrestrials, we
Speaker 4: hear interdimensionals. It's becoming much more of a cerebral consciousness
Speaker 4: kind of phenomenon now than it was, certainly in the fifties.
Speaker 4: I almost never heard that.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Yeah, that's why I kind of struck a chord
Speaker 5: with me. He's like, Wow, that's really really modern thinking.
Speaker 5: That is so yeah. Fat credit to Lord Man Battan.
Speaker 5: I think absolutely credit to him.
Speaker 4: And it also adds to the phenomenon that someone would
Speaker 4: even speculate on such a thing back then, you know,
Speaker 4: it just sort of adds to the credibility that that
Speaker 4: might be the direction that this phenomenon is actually coming from.
Speaker 4: I understand that Queen Elizabeth actually says she saw Elizabeth
Speaker 4: the First about eight times, some sort of apparition, possibly
Speaker 4: a ghost.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. I mean, we spoke with this fabulous paranormal historian
Speaker 5: called Richard Felix. He's a really credible historian and he's
Speaker 5: studied all the royal castles properties and he says they're
Speaker 5: all haunted basically, and all of all family have seen
Speaker 5: multiple ghosts, including Queen Elizabeth second scene her namesake many times.
Speaker 4: Incredible is that the guy with the quote that says
Speaker 4: that if a property is old, it's got ghosts or something.
Speaker 5: Really, yeah, I mean he's a big subscriber to the
Speaker 5: stone tape theory. These energies are basically trapped a bit
Speaker 5: like cassette tape recording in you know, in the stone,
Speaker 5: and they're kind of replayed and that's what we're seeing.
Speaker 5: And because their properties are ancient, you know, hundreds of
Speaker 5: years old, they've got all this history and all this
Speaker 5: energies and mastered them and that's what's replaying. And there's
Speaker 5: a lot of death, a lot of torture, you know,
Speaker 5: the royal family, it's got bloodthirsty history, and so there's
Speaker 5: a lot there.
Speaker 4: Some of the earlier accounts were by Prince Albert. I
Speaker 4: think as far back as eighteen seventy five. He saw
Speaker 4: flying orbs in the sky. That's way before we even
Speaker 4: had the notion of UFO.
Speaker 5: That was Yeah, he made an entry in his diary.
Speaker 5: He made such an impression on him. It's like, well,
Speaker 5: what was this I've seen? Don't forget you know, this
Speaker 5: is eighteen seventies and there wasn't much in the sky really.
Speaker 4: So eighteen seventy five is well before even airships were
Speaker 4: developed if all of this is true, and one of
Speaker 4: two things also must be true. Either number one, the
Speaker 4: Royal family has a real strong, genuine curiosity about this topic,
Speaker 4: or perhaps we have some inside knowledge about these phenomenon,
Speaker 4: and one would think if anyone has access, it would
Speaker 4: be the Royal family.
Speaker 5: We did you look into this a little bit richer, Felix,
Speaker 5: he talks about, you know, obviously the Vatican Secret Archive,
Speaker 5: but then he also makes the really valid point that,
Speaker 5: you know, the British War family had their own very
Speaker 5: historic archive at winter Castle which goes back, you know,
Speaker 5: hundreds of years. King Charles, when he was prince, he
Speaker 5: actually became involved with it's Afrikaans anthropologists, environmentalists, Laurens van
Speaker 5: der Post. But van der Poster was actually kind of
Speaker 5: contemporary and friends with Carl Jung, the psychologist and philosopher,
Speaker 5: and studied synchronicity, and he passed on, you know, the
Speaker 5: belief in synchronicity, and you know how we're all connected
Speaker 5: to collective unconscious, to Prince Charles. So I now know
Speaker 5: now that Prince Charles has got this belief and passion
Speaker 5: in things out there that may connect us all and
Speaker 5: maybe related to paranormal phenomena and UFOs because they could
Speaker 5: be connected and Prince Charles knows this, which is fascinating.
Speaker 4: Absolutely fascinating to me because synchronicity is my favorite topic
Speaker 4: in all of these topics. I think it's it's absolutely
Speaker 4: incredible and it's something that I have actually experienced, unlike
Speaker 4: these other things.
Speaker 5: Quick break.
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Speaker 4: back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. I'm talking to
Speaker 4: Mark Christopher Lee. Today. We're talking about the Royals and
Speaker 4: their experience over the years with phenomenons such as UFOs
Speaker 4: and things. Why don't we jump ahead though to the
Speaker 4: disclosure movement? Mark, What is happening there. It's a big
Speaker 4: thing in America right now. What is it like over
Speaker 4: in England? Do you have a disclosure movement?
Speaker 5: No, there's absolutely nothing. We've got lots of great euthologists,
Speaker 5: but there is no disclosure movement. You know, we don't
Speaker 5: have any politicians like You've got this bit of a
Speaker 5: bipartisan issue. I think in America, where you've got Republicans
Speaker 5: and Democrats, we don't have any policies.
Speaker 4: Is there such a thing as a bipartisan issue in
Speaker 4: America right now? I mean, my god be the only one.
Speaker 4: In fact, though, I do think this does cross across
Speaker 4: those lines because you never even have to deal with
Speaker 4: politics here. We only talk about this, and I feel
Speaker 4: like it is one of the very very few things
Speaker 4: that truly is it.
Speaker 5: Seems to be, but we don't have any politicians taking
Speaker 5: it seriously at all. And even you know, the mainstream media,
Speaker 5: the BBC for instance, or am I quite a lot,
Speaker 5: they won't cover a UFO story. They think it's just crazy.
Speaker 5: And I've had this issue trying to promote my film
Speaker 5: and it's like More Family is quite credible, and can
Speaker 5: we talk about UFOs.
Speaker 4: It's very interesting that England seems to be still so
Speaker 4: down on this topic and they're not very open or
Speaker 4: serious about it. And there are other countries that seem
Speaker 4: to be taking it serious, like Brazil, France, I think
Speaker 4: Japan maybe, is that true?
Speaker 5: Yeah? In Spain, yeah, absolutely so.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of shocked that that's how the climate is.
Speaker 5: There it is. It just shocks me too. And you know,
Speaker 5: there's no mainstream scientists. They just want to take it seriously,
Speaker 5: probably not life out there, and it's you know, there's
Speaker 5: no issue here, there's nothing to investigate. You've got quite
Speaker 5: a lot of prominent scientists in the US, including you know,
Speaker 5: professor Ravi Loebe, who I've spoken to many times from Harvard,
Speaker 5: who was actually out there looking for evidence.
Speaker 4: You know, my neural I think ability to this topic.
Speaker 5: I agree absolutely, but we don't have the equivalent over here.
Speaker 5: I go back to one of my favorite scientists was
Speaker 5: also an author to Arthur C. Clark, But you know,
Speaker 5: he had an open mind. We'd look at and explain
Speaker 5: paranormal phenomena and UFOs with an open mind, scientific mind,
Speaker 5: because that's what science should be. Science doesn't know the
Speaker 5: answers to everything, explain what consciousness is and where the
Speaker 5: soul resires and all these things. It's still a mystery.
Speaker 5: And you know, I'm just so your listeners know I
Speaker 5: do have a science degree myself, so I do come
Speaker 5: from that scientific background when I do investigate these things.
Speaker 5: I really am trying to push for a movement over here.
Speaker 5: We want disclosure. We want it in the UK because
Speaker 5: you know, the UK and the US are links, they
Speaker 5: sharing the same thing.
Speaker 4: Secrets, right, I'm sure if there is stuff to go
Speaker 4: on that somebody knows about that, do you Is there
Speaker 4: a movement though, even though you're saying officially in the mainstream,
Speaker 4: you don't see that. Is there like a UFO community
Speaker 4: people that go to conferences and talk about these things.
Speaker 5: Sure there is, yeah, but it's very very niche. But
Speaker 5: there are some, you know, really good uthologists out there
Speaker 5: pushing for disclosure. I'm not criticizing anyone, but like uthology everywhere,
Speaker 5: I think it's all a bit clique ridden. People are
Speaker 5: trying to jostling for their position and I don't want
Speaker 5: any of that kind of bs. I just want the
Speaker 5: public to know the truth because I think if there
Speaker 5: is a technology that the governments know about, if they've
Speaker 5: recovered it, and it could be used for the benefit
Speaker 5: of everyone, then we should all know. This is not
Speaker 5: an ego trip for me, you know. I want to
Speaker 5: you know, find the truth so the public knows the truth.
Speaker 5: That's my mission.
Speaker 4: I'm not in on Earth wouldn't want this mark, right.
Speaker 4: I feel like we all do have the right to
Speaker 4: know if they do have such things.
Speaker 5: Of course we do, yeah, and especially if it's going
Speaker 5: to add to our life in some way our society.
Speaker 5: Then we deserve to know. But Nick Paper said recently
Speaker 5: that we may not want to know the truth because
Speaker 5: it could be too far out.
Speaker 4: I don't care. I want to know the truth.
Speaker 5: I really do controls whether we should. We're going to
Speaker 5: freak out about it. And that's the issue, isn't it.
Speaker 5: We should? We deserve to know the truth.
Speaker 4: Like you said, I I agree, Mark, is there there
Speaker 4: was this also you were going through those archives. I
Speaker 4: believe there's a wartime account claiming that Prime Minister Winston
Speaker 4: Churchill ordered all sightings to be kept secret because he
Speaker 4: was afraid of mass panic and he didn't want to
Speaker 4: upset religion, which is an interesting thing to ponder.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a beginning of the Second World War
Speaker 5: when pilots American and British were seeing these food fires
Speaker 5: and these balls of plasma or whatever lights that were
Speaker 5: buzzing pilots, and Winston Churchill find out about this. First
Speaker 5: of all, he asked for a report on what these were,
Speaker 5: tell me everything about them. And then he said, you know,
Speaker 5: I don't want any Let's not investigate this, let's leave
Speaker 5: it alone. It would just blow people's minds. And it
Speaker 5: would destroy religion, and that kind of theme possibly has
Speaker 5: been carried down to now. And I know there's sectors
Speaker 5: of the Pentagon where you know, they believe these things
Speaker 5: are demonic. Goes back to Asphesians in the Bible, and
Speaker 5: you know the Lucifer, the Lord of light in the
Speaker 5: sky and all this, and I do believe, you know,
Speaker 5: possibly there are elements in the British Ministry of Defense
Speaker 5: that we found. There was a guy called Lord hill
Speaker 5: Norton who was Admiral of the Fleet in the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 5: He was actually friends with Prince Charles and Lord mount
Speaker 5: Batton and he believed this too because he was under
Speaker 5: the influence of this priest called Reverend Paul Inglesby and
Speaker 5: he did a report for Lord Hillnore and not on
Speaker 5: the UFOs in the I think it was the eighties
Speaker 5: it was, and he said, yeah, the UFOs are demonic. Basically,
Speaker 5: there's some sort of Yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Think there could be a lens that are looking through
Speaker 4: back then they don't really have the technologically so that's.
Speaker 5: Probably well, yeah, but it's people's own then religious beliefs
Speaker 5: being you know, influencing what they what they're seeing and
Speaker 5: what they're believing these things.
Speaker 4: Are, or at least how they're labeling it right.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Yeah, you know, you just.
Speaker 4: Brought up the Ministry of Defense again and they've always said,
Speaker 4: just as the American government has said, there's nothing to
Speaker 4: see here. We just had a report in twenty twenty
Speaker 4: four saying that no, there's nothing to see here, as
Speaker 4: they continually released that. But there's this degree of interest
Speaker 4: from the royal family. And in fact we have that
Speaker 4: official report by that Lord that that filed that official report.
Speaker 5: So how does that square up? It doesn't square up,
Speaker 5: that's the saying it doesn't. It doesn't. I mean, they're
Speaker 5: all because, you know, apart from that Lord Matt Betton report,
Speaker 5: which is only released due to his archives coming out,
Speaker 5: there's nothing official on record, you know, from Prince Charles
Speaker 5: saying oh yeah, there's UFOs and things like that, the
Speaker 5: second hand accounts that we're getting that people had told
Speaker 5: us about things. I mean, there's an interesting one in
Speaker 5: the film about the Queen and there was a crop
Speaker 5: circle researcher called Colin Andrews, and he was down in
Speaker 5: Wiltshire in nineteen eighty five I think it was, and
Speaker 5: there was the latest crop circle just being made, and
Speaker 5: he was with a Japanese film crew. The Japanese film
Speaker 5: crew had worked that the Queen was on her way
Speaker 5: to have a look at this new crop circle and
Speaker 5: this rolls. Royce turns up and the door opens. Expect
Speaker 5: the Queen to get out. Actually he wasn't the Queen,
Speaker 5: but it was their chief scientific advisor which she had
Speaker 5: sent down to report back. So we all know the
Speaker 5: links between possible links between UFOs and crop circles absolutely,
Speaker 5: But you know, this story has come out because someone's
Speaker 5: released it, not because you know, the Queen gave a
Speaker 5: statement to that effect, So we have to be a
Speaker 5: little bit wary. But from what I've seen in the
Speaker 5: documents and letters that the Role family definitely had a
Speaker 5: big interest the UFOs.
Speaker 4: You know, I just want to mention here for everyone
Speaker 4: and you that there's a book by Larry Holcombe called
Speaker 4: The Precedents and UFOs, The Secret History from FDR to Obama,
Speaker 4: which may be of interest to people in this because
Speaker 4: there's a lot of US presidents who have had sightings
Speaker 4: and accounts as well. When we come back to talk
Speaker 4: to Mark more about his last documentary, the previous one
Speaker 4: called Gods Versus Aliens. You're listening to Beyond Contact on
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Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact with Captain Ron. We're
Speaker 4: talking to Mark Christopher Lee. Mark. We're talking about your
Speaker 4: movie Gods Versus Aliens. Now, we've all heard passages from
Speaker 4: the Bible that sound like they could act actually be
Speaker 4: talking about alien beings or even spacecraft. And the whole
Speaker 4: wheel within wheels thing from Ezekiel. Well, what did you
Speaker 4: find was the most compelling aspect looking into the idea
Speaker 4: of aliens in the Bible?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting. I mean a lot of it was
Speaker 5: center around the Old Testament, Like you said, Ezekiel, wheel
Speaker 5: within the wheel that was obviously some sort of technical device.
Speaker 5: And it's like going back with fresh eyes reading these
Speaker 5: old texts and thinking, well, actually, that looks possibly like
Speaker 5: a UFO contact and things like that. I guess the
Speaker 5: count that Nephelin is very very strange. You know, these
Speaker 5: giants that came and bred with the women on Earth
Speaker 5: and they had these offspring, and it's all very very
Speaker 5: weird and very much like aliens coming down and some
Speaker 5: sort of hybrid thing going on, which may be our
Speaker 5: true origins. Who knows, Maybe we are hybrids. It's one theory.
Speaker 5: It's been put forward, and the Bible is has got
Speaker 5: evidence of this. I made this film really because I
Speaker 5: think we're getting very close to first contact or disclosure,
Speaker 5: one or the other. And the film is done to
Speaker 5: say the impact is going to be massive, especially on religion.
Speaker 5: How would religion cope? And that was the kind of
Speaker 5: idea behind the film. And you know, I speak to
Speaker 5: various religious people and see what their take was and
Speaker 5: how would their God survive?
Speaker 4: You know, and well, that's a very interesting area to explore.
Speaker 4: Number One, I was going to say, not only is
Speaker 4: that stuff in the Bible, but the earliest Sumerian text
Speaker 4: refer to the nethelem like that, and that there could
Speaker 4: be how we were created. But you're bringing up this
Speaker 4: idea of let's say we do have contact with an
Speaker 4: alien race and say it's of civilization from another planet.
Speaker 4: Let's stick with that for a second. If that came,
Speaker 4: most likely, what we've proven time and time again is
Speaker 4: the conqueror or the more technologically advanced group come in
Speaker 4: and we destroy the Mayan religion and you throw and
Speaker 4: they crash all that and then suddenly they believe what
Speaker 4: they believe. So could that happen to humans?
Speaker 5: You know, absolutely it could be reverse colonialism, But like
Speaker 5: you say, I mean they're going to be more technologically advanced.
Speaker 5: So there could be in a position where I say, well, actually,
Speaker 5: you know, we're more advanced than you. There is no god,
Speaker 5: this is it, this is how it is, and you
Speaker 5: get rid of all these religions.
Speaker 4: It could be or maybe there's another god that we
Speaker 4: never even heard of on Earth and they're like, all
Speaker 4: that you believe is wrong, it's really this guy.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, they could bring their own crazy religion that you know.
Speaker 5: It's like we think it's completely out there, but you
Speaker 5: know they're going to impose it on us. All. The
Speaker 5: other scenario is that actually what's visiting as it's not
Speaker 5: Flash and Burn, it's AI. And rv load proposes this
Speaker 5: theory in the film. It's like alien AI makes contact
Speaker 5: with our AI bypasses us completely and yeah, we're toast.
Speaker 4: Well, I always bring that up on this show. I
Speaker 4: think if we do encounter for something, it would probably
Speaker 4: most likely be AI. That's what we're going to send
Speaker 4: out there, and that's what somebody else would probably send out.
Speaker 4: So then when we are interacting with this AI, if
Speaker 4: it's a sentient AI, how would we know it's a
Speaker 4: sentient AI and not actually another alien or non human
Speaker 4: intelligence of some form. We wouldn't know because we would
Speaker 4: have no way of knowing. There's no reference point. So
Speaker 4: that's a really interesting isn't it.
Speaker 5: I guess you're thinking, doesn't it?
Speaker 4: And that's the point of all of this. I think
Speaker 4: that's kind of the big point of this show, and
Speaker 4: shows like this and movies like yours, is to get
Speaker 4: people thinking about these ideas.
Speaker 5: I think it's fascinating. I don't claim to have the answers,
Speaker 5: but like you said, we've got asked the questions and
Speaker 5: have a debate about it.
Speaker 4: Really absolutely, I don't know if anybody has the answers
Speaker 4: to these questions. If they did, we wouldn't have to
Speaker 4: do these shows. I really think, Well, let me ask
Speaker 4: you this, What about the notion that people who've had
Speaker 4: some of these experiences say they saw an angel or
Speaker 4: had an angelic experience very similar to some of the
Speaker 4: demonic stuff we touched on earlier.
Speaker 5: Could that instead actually.
Speaker 4: Be some sort of a quote unquote alien encounter because
Speaker 4: they didn't say that because of their religious lens.
Speaker 5: What do you think, Yeah, I mean, I've had this myself.
Speaker 5: When I was a child, I was about five or six,
Speaker 5: I had this angel appear. At the time, I thought
Speaker 5: it was an angel. It was this blue light and
Speaker 5: this woman came. It was on my bedroom mall and
Speaker 5: they told me everything was going to be all right.
Speaker 5: I meant to go into details, but I didn't have
Speaker 5: a particularly happy childhood, and this kind of vision kind
Speaker 5: of got me through and gave me strength when I
Speaker 5: got through some really tough stuff. But now looking back
Speaker 5: at it, I kind of think, oh, maybe, you know,
Speaker 5: I haven't talked to other people that similar. Possibly could
Speaker 5: be some other experience just liketma.
Speaker 4: I mean it do you light all this? I mean,
Speaker 4: it's amazing how these things go over the first time
Speaker 4: I saw that was in in like the mid eighties
Speaker 4: when communion came out, and Whitley pointed that out. Well,
Speaker 4: he specifically said like he had a passage where it
Speaker 4: would say, I believe it was like a fairy came
Speaker 4: down from the tree, and that's like the phreezing that
Speaker 4: they knew thousand years ago. And then now we would
Speaker 4: say an alien being came down from the sky and
Speaker 4: it was like these passages were the same, just through
Speaker 4: a different lens or description.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, my experience it was a positive experience. It
Speaker 5: wasn't you know. It was something that kind of saved me.
Speaker 5: I guess because people are always debating whether these aliens
Speaker 5: visiting as whether they're good or bad. Basically put it
Speaker 5: simply people out there thinking, you know, we should protect
Speaker 5: and defend ourselves or we should open them, welcome them
Speaker 5: in and they're here to help us. There's always that
Speaker 5: debate going on. I mean, my experience is it's a
Speaker 5: positive one. It doesn't mean there aren't negative ones out there,
Speaker 5: that's right.
Speaker 4: We hear that a lot too, that it is a
Speaker 4: positive thing. Even that free survey that they did a
Speaker 4: few years ago showed that the vast majority of contact
Speaker 4: ees or experiencers looking back, they felt that it was
Speaker 4: a good, positive thing in their life, which is fascinating.
Speaker 5: To the rest of us. Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 4: What about the notion you and I touched on this
Speaker 4: a little bit. What about the notion that some people
Speaker 4: have said that these craft could in fact be alive
Speaker 4: in some way, Maybe they are AI Maybe the whole
Speaker 4: craft is the thing. What do you think about those ideas?
Speaker 5: Yeah, and there is some of the sightings that people
Speaker 5: have had in encounters do suggest this. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 5: mean they could be. We're dealing with possible civilizations that
Speaker 5: billions of years more add answerers. There's no way of knowing,
Speaker 5: but that is a possibility, and that's maybe why if
Speaker 5: we've got these down UFO, it's one of a better
Speaker 5: word that Bubblazar's engineering and bes for whatever it is.
Speaker 5: They can't actually do it because it's a living thing.
Speaker 5: It acquires some sort of mind interaction with it, and
Speaker 5: that's possibly why I haven't been successful. I mean, we
Speaker 5: just don't. Don't an of us do.
Speaker 4: That's the problem.
Speaker 5: But I think there's something, I mean, my personal belief
Speaker 5: of investigating this, there's something more to it than nuts
Speaker 5: and bolts. That's what I think. It's some have on
Speaker 5: a different level from us. Maybe it is in a
Speaker 5: different dimension and somehow it interacts with ours occasionally, but
Speaker 5: I don't know. I mean, that's that's my guess, that
Speaker 5: it's not just the nuts and bolts thing. And that's
Speaker 5: why maybe those that have this knowledge the secret don't
Speaker 5: want to release it because they think it would could
Speaker 5: be too far scary for us to comprehend. We could
Speaker 5: comprehend a physical craft, physical beings from another planet, you know,
Speaker 5: we've been prim with that science fiction for loss for
Speaker 5: fifty years. But if it's something far weird, there's something,
Speaker 5: you know, not so tangible, there's something more ethereal, something
Speaker 5: that requires existence on another level.
Speaker 4: There's no doubt that it is easier to wrap your
Speaker 4: head around the idea of another planet just creating a
Speaker 4: craft and flying it here nuts and bolts. That's very
Speaker 4: easy to digest. Starting to think about that consciousness is
Speaker 4: behind all this and they're traveling inter dimensionally, and that
Speaker 4: is a much harder pill to swollow. It's incredible that
Speaker 4: it seems to me that that is the direction this
Speaker 4: is moving though, certainly within this community, I'm seeing a
Speaker 4: growth in that area.
Speaker 5: I do definitely, and I've been doing this new film
Speaker 5: on Renderlshom the British role as well. I was as
Speaker 5: well as investigating the nineteen eighty incident, which people are
Speaker 5: probably familiar with. We've gone back and spoken to people
Speaker 5: who have had weird experiences since then, and we ourselves
Speaker 5: went there a few months ago and had a really
Speaker 5: really strange encounter. And it's all on film recording and
Speaker 5: so people will see it, so the evidence will be there.
Speaker 5: But there's something. Wasn't just a one off possible UFO.
Speaker 5: There's something. It's like an area of high strangess what
Speaker 5: people have called it, a bit like skim Walker ranch,
Speaker 5: I guess where it's some strange phenomenon interacting with us
Speaker 5: on Earth. And we've got evidence of this. We're looking
Speaker 5: forward to releasing it. But it's not physicals and balts thing.
Speaker 5: It's not. It's weirder and that's the thing, and so
Speaker 5: we can't say it's definitely this. There's something there, but
Speaker 5: it's really hard to explain. And that's that's the problem
Speaker 5: you've got when it's.
Speaker 4: Even direct contact, these and experiences and witnesses can't say
Speaker 4: exactly what it was. Why don't we take a break here, Mark.
Speaker 4: When we come back, we're going to talk to you
Speaker 4: more about this case. It's basically often referred to as
Speaker 4: England's Roswell, the famous Rendlssom forest case. You're listening to
Speaker 4: Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio on Coast to Coast am
Speaker 4: Paranormal podcast network. We are back on beyond Contact. We're
Speaker 4: talking to Mark Christopher Lee about his upcoming new documentary
Speaker 4: that's going to be the Rndalsham Case. This is a
Speaker 4: great case to investigate. First of all, I know I've
Speaker 4: even spoke to some of the Rendalshum guys, Charles Halt,
Speaker 4: Jim Peniston, Jim Burrows. All those guys feel to me
Speaker 4: like they're very credible. What you'd want those guys to
Speaker 4: be like. They're very serious. They remember their account, they
Speaker 4: took you know, notes at the time. What do you
Speaker 4: think about all of the direct witnesses of that case.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're very, very credible. They're very straight people. They've
Speaker 5: got no reason to make things up. They've got no
Speaker 5: there's no reason for them to do it. They had
Speaker 5: some strange experience. Maybe they couldn't describe it adequately, I
Speaker 5: guess because it is just so strange. And you know,
Speaker 5: Charles I've spoken to as well as you know, it's
Speaker 5: such a down to f guy. He's got no reason
Speaker 5: to you know, conflete stories about UFOs, you know exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 5: And people forget as well that the RF Bentwaters you know,
Speaker 5: was a NATO best I had nuclear weapons on at
Speaker 5: the time, and it has been a link over the
Speaker 5: years between UFO science and nuclear storage facilities, So I
Speaker 5: think that that is part of it. But what we
Speaker 5: found out that we've actually spoken to people there was
Speaker 5: a Philip Cancello who's an author uthologist. He went there
Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety and actually, you know, manifested a pyramid
Speaker 5: shaped UFO with a group of people there. Was spoken
Speaker 5: to John Hanson, the retired police officer I mentioned earlier
Speaker 5: he's been there and showed me a video of what
Speaker 5: he saw at Rendilsham in nineteen ninety two. So I've
Speaker 5: got that on video and other people that have been
Speaker 5: there and basically just sat in the woods kind of
Speaker 5: focused their minds. Some people call it CE five, but
Speaker 5: it's just meditating. It's kind of connecting, and they're experiencing
Speaker 5: weird paranormal phenomena as well. You know, things falling from
Speaker 5: the sky, like rocks and stones. So John Hanson saw
Speaker 5: rocks falling from the sky and just gotut of nowhere
Speaker 5: and he took them off, set them off for analysis,
Speaker 5: and they came back saying that it's like these rocks
Speaker 5: have just been formed, they were warm and they came down.
Speaker 5: It's very very odd. And they showed me this scientific evidence.
Speaker 5: It's like, whoa more.
Speaker 4: What to do with that? It's fascinating, but I don't
Speaker 4: know what to do with it.
Speaker 5: No, no, I mean these things are called ports when
Speaker 5: it's strange things appearing out of the sky, out of nowhere.
Speaker 5: But in renders Forest, Why in Rendersson Forest, it's really
Speaker 5: really weird.
Speaker 4: I find. I think it's an excellent point that you
Speaker 4: brought up that rendal Sham had nuclear weapons, and that
Speaker 4: is often frequently what we see with these frequency of
Speaker 4: more UFO sightings. I also personally feel that Roswell and
Speaker 4: Rendalsham are two of the strongest cases out there. I
Speaker 4: know they're a little cliche because they're so popular, but
Speaker 4: they have so many levels of evidence and so many
Speaker 4: levels of guys and that have direct first person accounts
Speaker 4: that we hear, and the narratives seem to fit so well.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean Rendership, We've got the famous Holtz memo,
Speaker 5: which is you know, Charles Holt's account which is sent
Speaker 5: off that's their documented. This also evidence you know, background
Speaker 5: radiation levels being high in certain areas, there's damage reportings,
Speaker 5: have the from a moment in home. Really yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: having been there many times. It's definitely wasn't the lighthouse,
Speaker 5: which some people have suggested. It's too far away, the
Speaker 5: bee would have been way too dim.
Speaker 4: And these guys were working there, they wouldn't have seen
Speaker 4: that ever before. It just seems such a silly answer
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's an easy answer, isn't it.
Speaker 4: That's the thing, sure is, Like if they were just
Speaker 4: there that one day, you could maybe say that.
Speaker 5: But these guys worked at that base all of a
Speaker 5: sudden today.
Speaker 4: They saw a lighthouse they never saw before. That just
Speaker 4: doesn't even add up. I mean, it's silly to me,
Speaker 4: I know, but I don't know what it was. I'm
Speaker 4: not saying that aliens were there, but I'm saying that
Speaker 4: I don't believe they saw a lighthouse and suddenly manifested
Speaker 4: all this other stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm really hoping with what we found and what
Speaker 5: we filmed, that this was going to help the disclosure movement,
Speaker 5: you know in the UK, because we've got evidence that
Speaker 5: there was a cover up. People were shied away from
Speaker 5: looking at it properly, and you know, we've got this
Speaker 5: on film, which is great, and we've got evidence ourselves
Speaker 5: that there's something we're going on there. So once you
Speaker 5: put this out in the public, I hoping this will
Speaker 5: kick start disclose your movement in the UK.
Speaker 4: That's fantastic. What do you have a timeline on.
Speaker 5: This, but just basically editing it at the moment, so
Speaker 5: it should be out in December if not before.
Speaker 4: Oh that's fantastic. Okay, cool, I'll watch for that. You're
Speaker 4: saying there's still things happening in that rentald Shamia, But
Speaker 4: isn't it no longer even a base.
Speaker 5: For the basis used it's a film set right right,
Speaker 5: Star Wars or something. It's not being used no as
Speaker 5: an air base. But there is still a small military
Speaker 5: presence there. I mean there is alleged to be underground
Speaker 5: tunnels and things like that, but we didn't see any
Speaker 5: of that. But there is weirdness there.
Speaker 4: It's almost like one of these hot spot places.
Speaker 5: Basically, yeah, paranormal hospital, you know.
Speaker 4: You being in England there. I really I just want
Speaker 4: to ask about the crop circle thing. Is that still
Speaker 4: happening there? How frequently do these come up? And do
Speaker 4: they make the news? And what do people do? They
Speaker 4: just dismiss them there? How does how are.
Speaker 5: Those they never make the news anymore. They still happen
Speaker 5: mostly still in Wiltshire round Stonehenge area. That's still the
Speaker 5: main hotspot. There's still the issue that some of them
Speaker 5: are clear hoaxes, but there's always a few that aren't.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you've spoken to There's a doctor
Speaker 5: called Dr Simeon Heine and he's a crop circle researcher
Speaker 5: and he's investigated a lot. It's been over to England
Speaker 5: and he says, even in the man made hoaxed once
Speaker 5: there's still weird phenomena in them. There's a few really
Speaker 5: good videos out there that want the Stonehenge when there's
Speaker 5: a little law but light it just comes off after
Speaker 5: one being made at Milk Hill. That's really really strange.
Speaker 5: I think there's something to it. Definitely.
Speaker 4: Do you believe, after looking at all of this stuff,
Speaker 4: that there was some form of non human intelligence that
Speaker 4: visited Earth in the past?
Speaker 5: About that? I do? I do, And I think possibly
Speaker 5: that's guided our evolution. That's why we're here today. Highly
Speaker 5: evolved Braden which is allowed you.
Speaker 4: I mean that doesn't really mean on this end of
Speaker 4: the microphone is a highly evolved brain. This is more.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not speaking for myselfs actually, but yeah, collectively
Speaker 5: this is you know, how we're able to try and
Speaker 5: punder these answers to these questions.
Speaker 4: I think, Yeah, it shocks me that, like the whole
Speaker 4: world doesn't you know, I don't know what to believe
Speaker 4: in all this is. We've kept saying over and over
Speaker 4: today that we don't know, we don't know, we don't know,
Speaker 4: And I know that's how it is. We don't know.
Speaker 4: But that's all the more reason to take a look
Speaker 4: at these topics to me, because they are interesting because
Speaker 4: we don't know and we want to find the conclusion
Speaker 4: to what they could be.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's important. But I think important as
Speaker 5: long as we kind of have fun and contact along
Speaker 5: the way, with connection with each other along the way,
Speaker 5: as long as there's not alone depressing quest which drives
Speaker 5: people mad, which you know has happened before.
Speaker 4: It's destroyed people's lives. You've heard time and time again
Speaker 4: contact these experiences. They lose their marriage, their job, whatever,
Speaker 4: it's it's horrible.
Speaker 5: So it's important to have that grounded reality as well.
Speaker 5: You know, today life is important as.
Speaker 4: Well, agreed, Mark, do you have any books that you
Speaker 4: would recommend for people that are the stronger ones that
Speaker 4: you feel really provide evidence for these topics.
Speaker 5: My favorite author is John Keel. I mean a bit
Speaker 5: of an obvious one, but he was the kind of
Speaker 5: first author kind of got me into the weirder aspects
Speaker 5: of UFOs paranormal possibly non non physical. Helemet to two
Speaker 5: UFOs so and also Jacques Valet and you know all
Speaker 5: those Passport to Magonia and things like that, that ones I
Speaker 5: would recommend.
Speaker 4: I'd ask you what your favorite song was, but you know,
Speaker 4: we don't have seven days to go through the five
Speaker 4: thousand titles of songs? Can you si your top four thousand?
Speaker 4: I can't even believe. I don't know how you sleep,
Speaker 4: how you have time to write, make movies and still
Speaker 4: produce that many songs. It's incredible.
Speaker 5: I don't I don't have TV. When me and my
Speaker 5: wife got together and started living together, we got rid
Speaker 5: of our TV kind of thing. And it's different nowadays
Speaker 5: people don't really have TVs, but we kind of I've
Speaker 5: never kind of just been sat down and just watched
Speaker 5: TV or evening. We're doing different stuff. Why it's creative too,
Speaker 5: So I think that's part of it really is.
Speaker 4: It's impressive what you've done, Mark, and I appreciate you
Speaker 4: coming on today. I really enjoyed this topic and let
Speaker 4: me know when that new dot comes out and I'll
Speaker 4: be looking forward to the Rendelsim documentary.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you, Captain Ron. It's been an honor. Thank
Speaker 5: you for having me on.
Speaker 4: Absolutely brother, Thanks everyone for listening to be on Contact.
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