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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact,

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Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of

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Speaker 3: the newest cases.

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Speaker 4: As we talk with the top experts. Hi, and welcome

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Speaker 4: to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today I'm

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Speaker 4: going to be speaking with writer, producer, director, actor musician

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Speaker 4: mister Mark Christopher Lee. He is quite prolific to the

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Speaker 4: tune of releasing at least seventy six albums and over

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Speaker 4: five thousand songs and having millions of streams. It's incredible

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Speaker 4: he's here today because he's also a ufologist and a

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Speaker 4: filmmaker whose last film, The King of UFOs, is now

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Speaker 4: out on tub It takes a look at the British

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Speaker 4: Royals in their interest in UFOs. His previous film, Gods

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Speaker 4: Versus Aliens, was premiered at con Film Festival. Today, we're

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Speaker 4: going to take a deep dive into the findings that

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Speaker 4: Mark had regarding these films and some of his other

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Speaker 4: insights on UFOs and the phenomenon. Hey, Mark, thanks a

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Speaker 4: lot for coming on today. I hope we're not interrupting

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Speaker 4: you from writing a song. You're probably in the middle

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I haven't written a song for a while. I'm

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Speaker 5: actually busy doing a soundtrack for my new film, which

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you about later.

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Speaker 4: It's amazing how much you accomplished. I'm envious of your creativity.

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Speaker 4: Let's start off here, Mark, and let's take a look

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Speaker 4: at this last film I just watched it called King

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Speaker 4: of UFOs, which takes a look at the royal family

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Speaker 4: least a very strong interest in UFOs and paranormal absolutely.

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Speaker 5: And I found this out probably about twelve months ago.

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Speaker 5: I was making another film and I went to this

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Speaker 5: and this retired police detective called John Hanson. He's got

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Speaker 5: but he's also showed me letters he had received from

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Speaker 5: the Queen and Prince Philip about UFOs and I was like,

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Speaker 5: WHOA did not know this? And John Hanson his name is.

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Speaker 5: He wrote a series of books, Haunted Skies about UFOs

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Speaker 5: They're going to add it to their UFO and paranormal collection.

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Speaker 5: And it just opened the door. I think this would

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Speaker 5: guess the idea. Why were passionate about making it is like,

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Speaker 5: especially in the UK, UFOs and UAPs whatever you want

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Speaker 4: I think yes, I would say that certainly since twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 4: There's still definitely a delineation between the UFO community and

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Speaker 4: How open are they about this? Is this just like

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Speaker 5: It's difficult politically, They've got to kind of keep it

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we were going to get him to speak of

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Speaker 4: Philip here his uncle Lord Mount Betton had a huge

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Speaker 4: this is quite amazing mark that he would be willing

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Speaker 5: and basically, yeah, although Mirke Batten wasn't present, he did

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Speaker 5: you know, disbelieve him. And Briggs had made a drawing

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Speaker 5: and this happened on a royal property, so that that's

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Speaker 5: He was the first royal I think, to be interested

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Speaker 4: And that was back in nineteen fifty five when when

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's another thing, because his biographer, called Philip Ziegler,

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Speaker 5: he wrote about Matt Batton, say, Matt Batten thought that

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, that's incredible. I don't think I've ever heard of

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Speaker 4: seen a trend. Obviously you're aware that you know, this

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Speaker 4: We hear these extra tempestrials, we hear crypto terrestrials, we

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Speaker 4: I almost never heard that.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, Yeah, that's why I kind of struck a chord

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Speaker 5: That is so yeah. Fat credit to Lord Man Battan.

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Speaker 4: And it also adds to the phenomenon that someone would

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Speaker 4: it just sort of adds to the credibility that that

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Speaker 4: I understand that Queen Elizabeth actually says she saw Elizabeth

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Speaker 5: Absolutely. I mean, we spoke with this fabulous paranormal historian

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Speaker 4: Incredible is that the guy with the quote that says

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Speaker 5: Really, yeah, I mean he's a big subscriber to the

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Speaker 4: Some of the earlier accounts were by Prince Albert. I

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Speaker 5: We did you look into this a little bit richer, Felix,

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Speaker 5: he talks about, you know, obviously the Vatican Secret Archive,

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Speaker 5: actually became involved with it's Afrikaans anthropologists, environmentalists, Laurens van

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Speaker 5: and studied synchronicity, and he passed on, you know, the

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Speaker 5: now that Prince Charles has got this belief and passion

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Speaker 5: maybe related to paranormal phenomena and UFOs because they could

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Speaker 5: be connected and Prince Charles knows this, which is fascinating.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely fascinating to me because synchronicity is my favorite topic

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Speaker 4: Mark Christopher Lee. Today. We're talking about the Royals and

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Speaker 4: and things. Why don't we jump ahead though to the

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Speaker 4: I'm not in on Earth wouldn't want this mark, right.

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Speaker 5: Flash and Burn, it's AI. And rv load proposes this

432
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Speaker 5: theory in the film. It's like alien AI makes contact

433
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 5: with our AI bypasses us completely and yeah, we're toast.

434
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Speaker 4: Well, I always bring that up on this show. I

435
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 4: think if we do encounter for something, it would probably

436
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 4: most likely be AI. That's what we're going to send

437
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 4: out there, and that's what somebody else would probably send out.

438
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 4: So then when we are interacting with this AI, if

439
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 4: it's a sentient AI, how would we know it's a

440
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 4: sentient AI and not actually another alien or non human

441
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 4: intelligence of some form. We wouldn't know because we would

442
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 4: have no way of knowing. There's no reference point. So

443
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 4: that's a really interesting isn't it.

444
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 5: I guess you're thinking, doesn't it?

445
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 4: And that's the point of all of this. I think

446
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 4: that's kind of the big point of this show, and

447
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 4: shows like this and movies like yours, is to get

448
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 4: people thinking about these ideas.

449
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Speaker 5: I think it's fascinating. I don't claim to have the answers,

450
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 5: but like you said, we've got asked the questions and

451
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Speaker 5: have a debate about it.

452
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 4: Really absolutely, I don't know if anybody has the answers

453
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 4: to these questions. If they did, we wouldn't have to

454
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 4: do these shows. I really think, Well, let me ask

455
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 4: you this, What about the notion that people who've had

456
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 4: some of these experiences say they saw an angel or

457
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 4: had an angelic experience very similar to some of the

458
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 4: demonic stuff we touched on earlier.

459
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Speaker 5: Could that instead actually.

460
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Speaker 4: Be some sort of a quote unquote alien encounter because

461
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 4: they didn't say that because of their religious lens.

462
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Speaker 5: What do you think, Yeah, I mean, I've had this myself.

463
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 5: When I was a child, I was about five or six,

464
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 5: I had this angel appear. At the time, I thought

465
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 5: it was an angel. It was this blue light and

466
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 5: this woman came. It was on my bedroom mall and

467
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 5: they told me everything was going to be all right.

468
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 5: I meant to go into details, but I didn't have

469
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 5: a particularly happy childhood, and this kind of vision kind

470
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Speaker 5: of got me through and gave me strength when I

471
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 5: got through some really tough stuff. But now looking back

472
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 5: at it, I kind of think, oh, maybe, you know,

473
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 5: I haven't talked to other people that similar. Possibly could

474
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Speaker 5: be some other experience just liketma.

475
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Speaker 4: I mean it do you light all this? I mean,

476
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 4: it's amazing how these things go over the first time

477
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 4: I saw that was in in like the mid eighties

478
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 4: when communion came out, and Whitley pointed that out. Well,

479
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 4: he specifically said like he had a passage where it

480
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 4: would say, I believe it was like a fairy came

481
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 4: down from the tree, and that's like the phreezing that

482
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 4: they knew thousand years ago. And then now we would

483
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 4: say an alien being came down from the sky and

484
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 4: it was like these passages were the same, just through

485
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Speaker 4: a different lens or description.

486
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Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, my experience it was a positive experience. It

487
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 5: wasn't you know. It was something that kind of saved me.

488
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 5: I guess because people are always debating whether these aliens

489
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 5: visiting as whether they're good or bad. Basically put it

490
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 5: simply people out there thinking, you know, we should protect

491
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 5: and defend ourselves or we should open them, welcome them

492
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 5: in and they're here to help us. There's always that

493
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Speaker 5: debate going on. I mean, my experience is it's a

494
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 5: positive one. It doesn't mean there aren't negative ones out there,

495
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 5: that's right.

496
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Speaker 4: We hear that a lot too, that it is a

497
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 4: positive thing. Even that free survey that they did a

498
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 4: few years ago showed that the vast majority of contact

499
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 4: ees or experiencers looking back, they felt that it was

500
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 4: a good, positive thing in their life, which is fascinating.

501
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 5: To the rest of us. Absolutely. Yeah.

502
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,239
Speaker 4: What about the notion you and I touched on this

503
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 4: a little bit. What about the notion that some people

504
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 4: have said that these craft could in fact be alive

505
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 4: in some way, Maybe they are AI Maybe the whole

506
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 4: craft is the thing. What do you think about those ideas?

507
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, and there is some of the sightings that people

508
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 5: have had in encounters do suggest this. Oh yeah, I

509
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 5: mean they could be. We're dealing with possible civilizations that

510
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 5: billions of years more add answerers. There's no way of knowing,

511
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 5: but that is a possibility, and that's maybe why if

512
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 5: we've got these down UFO, it's one of a better

513
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,959
Speaker 5: word that Bubblazar's engineering and bes for whatever it is.

514
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 5: They can't actually do it because it's a living thing.

515
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 5: It acquires some sort of mind interaction with it, and

516
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 5: that's possibly why I haven't been successful. I mean, we

517
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 5: just don't. Don't an of us do.

518
00:26:59,480 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 4: That's the problem.

519
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 5: But I think there's something, I mean, my personal belief

520
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 5: of investigating this, there's something more to it than nuts

521
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 5: and bolts. That's what I think. It's some have on

522
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 5: a different level from us. Maybe it is in a

523
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 5: different dimension and somehow it interacts with ours occasionally, but

524
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 5: I don't know. I mean, that's that's my guess, that

525
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 5: it's not just the nuts and bolts thing. And that's

526
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 5: why maybe those that have this knowledge the secret don't

527
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 5: want to release it because they think it would could

528
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 5: be too far scary for us to comprehend. We could

529
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 5: comprehend a physical craft, physical beings from another planet, you know,

530
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 5: we've been prim with that science fiction for loss for

531
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 5: fifty years. But if it's something far weird, there's something,

532
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 5: you know, not so tangible, there's something more ethereal, something

533
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 5: that requires existence on another level.

534
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 4: There's no doubt that it is easier to wrap your

535
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 4: head around the idea of another planet just creating a

536
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 4: craft and flying it here nuts and bolts. That's very

537
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 4: easy to digest. Starting to think about that consciousness is

538
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 4: behind all this and they're traveling inter dimensionally, and that

539
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 4: is a much harder pill to swollow. It's incredible that

540
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 4: it seems to me that that is the direction this

541
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 4: is moving though, certainly within this community, I'm seeing a

542
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 4: growth in that area.

543
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 5: I do definitely, and I've been doing this new film

544
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 5: on Renderlshom the British role as well. I was as

545
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 5: well as investigating the nineteen eighty incident, which people are

546
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 5: probably familiar with. We've gone back and spoken to people

547
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 5: who have had weird experiences since then, and we ourselves

548
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 5: went there a few months ago and had a really

549
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 5: really strange encounter. And it's all on film recording and

550
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 5: so people will see it, so the evidence will be there.

551
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 5: But there's something. Wasn't just a one off possible UFO.

552
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 5: There's something. It's like an area of high strangess what

553
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 5: people have called it, a bit like skim Walker ranch,

554
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 5: I guess where it's some strange phenomenon interacting with us

555
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 5: on Earth. And we've got evidence of this. We're looking

556
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 5: forward to releasing it. But it's not physicals and balts thing.

557
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 5: It's not. It's weirder and that's the thing, and so

558
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 5: we can't say it's definitely this. There's something there, but

559
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 5: it's really hard to explain. And that's that's the problem

560
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 5: you've got when it's.

561
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 4: Even direct contact, these and experiences and witnesses can't say

562
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 4: exactly what it was. Why don't we take a break here, Mark.

563
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 4: When we come back, we're going to talk to you

564
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 4: more about this case. It's basically often referred to as

565
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 4: England's Roswell, the famous Rendlssom forest case. You're listening to

566
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,719
Speaker 4: Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio on Coast to Coast am

567
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 4: Paranormal podcast network. We are back on beyond Contact. We're

568
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 4: talking to Mark Christopher Lee about his upcoming new documentary

569
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Speaker 4: that's going to be the Rndalsham Case. This is a

570
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 4: great case to investigate. First of all, I know I've

571
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Speaker 4: even spoke to some of the Rendalshum guys, Charles Halt,

572
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 4: Jim Peniston, Jim Burrows. All those guys feel to me

573
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 4: like they're very credible. What you'd want those guys to

574
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 4: be like. They're very serious. They remember their account, they

575
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 4: took you know, notes at the time. What do you

576
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 4: think about all of the direct witnesses of that case.

577
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're very, very credible. They're very straight people. They've

578
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 5: got no reason to make things up. They've got no

579
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 5: there's no reason for them to do it. They had

580
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 5: some strange experience. Maybe they couldn't describe it adequately, I

581
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 5: guess because it is just so strange. And you know,

582
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 5: Charles I've spoken to as well as you know, it's

583
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 5: such a down to f guy. He's got no reason

584
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 5: to you know, conflete stories about UFOs, you know exactly. Yeah,

585
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 5: And people forget as well that the RF Bentwaters you know,

586
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 5: was a NATO best I had nuclear weapons on at

587
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 5: the time, and it has been a link over the

588
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 5: years between UFO science and nuclear storage facilities, So I

589
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 5: think that that is part of it. But what we

590
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 5: found out that we've actually spoken to people there was

591
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 5: a Philip Cancello who's an author uthologist. He went there

592
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety and actually, you know, manifested a pyramid

593
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 5: shaped UFO with a group of people there. Was spoken

594
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 5: to John Hanson, the retired police officer I mentioned earlier

595
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 5: he's been there and showed me a video of what

596
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 5: he saw at Rendilsham in nineteen ninety two. So I've

597
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 5: got that on video and other people that have been

598
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 5: there and basically just sat in the woods kind of

599
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 5: focused their minds. Some people call it CE five, but

600
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 5: it's just meditating. It's kind of connecting, and they're experiencing

601
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 5: weird paranormal phenomena as well. You know, things falling from

602
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 5: the sky, like rocks and stones. So John Hanson saw

603
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 5: rocks falling from the sky and just gotut of nowhere

604
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 5: and he took them off, set them off for analysis,

605
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 5: and they came back saying that it's like these rocks

606
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 5: have just been formed, they were warm and they came down.

607
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 5: It's very very odd. And they showed me this scientific evidence.

608
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 5: It's like, whoa more.

609
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 4: What to do with that? It's fascinating, but I don't

610
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 4: know what to do with it.

611
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 5: No, no, I mean these things are called ports when

612
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 5: it's strange things appearing out of the sky, out of nowhere.

613
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 5: But in renders Forest, Why in Rendersson Forest, it's really

614
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 5: really weird.

615
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 4: I find. I think it's an excellent point that you

616
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 4: brought up that rendal Sham had nuclear weapons, and that

617
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 4: is often frequently what we see with these frequency of

618
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 4: more UFO sightings. I also personally feel that Roswell and

619
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 4: Rendalsham are two of the strongest cases out there. I

620
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 4: know they're a little cliche because they're so popular, but

621
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 4: they have so many levels of evidence and so many

622
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 4: levels of guys and that have direct first person accounts

623
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 4: that we hear, and the narratives seem to fit so well.

624
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean Rendership, We've got the famous Holtz memo,

625
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 5: which is you know, Charles Holt's account which is sent

626
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 5: off that's their documented. This also evidence you know, background

627
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 5: radiation levels being high in certain areas, there's damage reportings,

628
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 5: have the from a moment in home. Really yeah, you know,

629
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 5: having been there many times. It's definitely wasn't the lighthouse,

630
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 5: which some people have suggested. It's too far away, the

631
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 5: bee would have been way too dim.

632
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 4: And these guys were working there, they wouldn't have seen

633
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 4: that ever before. It just seems such a silly answer

634
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 4: to me.

635
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's an easy answer, isn't it.

636
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 4: That's the thing, sure is, Like if they were just

637
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 4: there that one day, you could maybe say that.

638
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 5: But these guys worked at that base all of a

639
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 5: sudden today.

640
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 4: They saw a lighthouse they never saw before. That just

641
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 4: doesn't even add up. I mean, it's silly to me,

642
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 4: I know, but I don't know what it was. I'm

643
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 4: not saying that aliens were there, but I'm saying that

644
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 4: I don't believe they saw a lighthouse and suddenly manifested

645
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 4: all this other stuff.

646
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm really hoping with what we found and what

647
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 5: we filmed, that this was going to help the disclosure movement,

648
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 5: you know in the UK, because we've got evidence that

649
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 5: there was a cover up. People were shied away from

650
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 5: looking at it properly, and you know, we've got this

651
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 5: on film, which is great, and we've got evidence ourselves

652
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 5: that there's something we're going on there. So once you

653
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 5: put this out in the public, I hoping this will

654
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Speaker 5: kick start disclose your movement in the UK.

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Speaker 4: That's fantastic. What do you have a timeline on.

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00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 5: This, but just basically editing it at the moment, so

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00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 5: it should be out in December if not before.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's fantastic. Okay, cool, I'll watch for that. You're

659
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Speaker 4: saying there's still things happening in that rentald Shamia, But

660
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 4: isn't it no longer even a base.

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Speaker 5: For the basis used it's a film set right right,

662
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 5: Star Wars or something. It's not being used no as

663
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 5: an air base. But there is still a small military

664
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 5: presence there. I mean there is alleged to be underground

665
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 5: tunnels and things like that, but we didn't see any

666
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 5: of that. But there is weirdness there.

667
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 4: It's almost like one of these hot spot places.

668
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 5: Basically, yeah, paranormal hospital, you know.

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Speaker 4: You being in England there. I really I just want

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00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 4: to ask about the crop circle thing. Is that still

671
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 4: happening there? How frequently do these come up? And do

672
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 4: they make the news? And what do people do? They

673
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 4: just dismiss them there? How does how are.

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Speaker 5: Those they never make the news anymore. They still happen

675
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 5: mostly still in Wiltshire round Stonehenge area. That's still the

676
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 5: main hotspot. There's still the issue that some of them

677
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 5: are clear hoaxes, but there's always a few that aren't.

678
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 5: I don't know if you've spoken to There's a doctor

679
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 5: called Dr Simeon Heine and he's a crop circle researcher

680
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 5: and he's investigated a lot. It's been over to England

681
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 5: and he says, even in the man made hoaxed once

682
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 5: there's still weird phenomena in them. There's a few really

683
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 5: good videos out there that want the Stonehenge when there's

684
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 5: a little law but light it just comes off after

685
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 5: one being made at Milk Hill. That's really really strange.

686
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 5: I think there's something to it. Definitely.

687
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 4: Do you believe, after looking at all of this stuff,

688
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 4: that there was some form of non human intelligence that

689
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 4: visited Earth in the past?

690
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 5: About that? I do? I do, And I think possibly

691
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 5: that's guided our evolution. That's why we're here today. Highly

692
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 5: evolved Braden which is allowed you.

693
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 4: I mean that doesn't really mean on this end of

694
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 4: the microphone is a highly evolved brain. This is more.

695
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not speaking for myselfs actually, but yeah, collectively

696
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 5: this is you know, how we're able to try and

697
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 5: punder these answers to these questions.

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00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 4: I think, Yeah, it shocks me that, like the whole

699
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 4: world doesn't you know, I don't know what to believe

700
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 4: in all this is. We've kept saying over and over

701
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 4: today that we don't know, we don't know, we don't know,

702
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 4: And I know that's how it is. We don't know.

703
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 4: But that's all the more reason to take a look

704
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 4: at these topics to me, because they are interesting because

705
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 4: we don't know and we want to find the conclusion

706
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 4: to what they could be.

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00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's important. But I think important as

708
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,959
Speaker 5: long as we kind of have fun and contact along

709
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 5: the way, with connection with each other along the way,

710
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 5: as long as there's not alone depressing quest which drives

711
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 5: people mad, which you know has happened before.

712
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 4: It's destroyed people's lives. You've heard time and time again

713
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 4: contact these experiences. They lose their marriage, their job, whatever,

714
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 4: it's it's horrible.

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00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 5: So it's important to have that grounded reality as well.

716
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 5: You know, today life is important as.

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00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 4: Well, agreed, Mark, do you have any books that you

718
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 4: would recommend for people that are the stronger ones that

719
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 4: you feel really provide evidence for these topics.

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00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 5: My favorite author is John Keel. I mean a bit

721
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 5: of an obvious one, but he was the kind of

722
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 5: first author kind of got me into the weirder aspects

723
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 5: of UFOs paranormal possibly non non physical. Helemet to two

724
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 5: UFOs so and also Jacques Valet and you know all

725
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 5: those Passport to Magonia and things like that, that ones I

726
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 5: would recommend.

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00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 4: I'd ask you what your favorite song was, but you know,

728
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 4: we don't have seven days to go through the five

729
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 4: thousand titles of songs? Can you si your top four thousand?

730
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 4: I can't even believe. I don't know how you sleep,

731
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 4: how you have time to write, make movies and still

732
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 4: produce that many songs. It's incredible.

733
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Speaker 5: I don't I don't have TV. When me and my

734
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 5: wife got together and started living together, we got rid

735
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 5: of our TV kind of thing. And it's different nowadays

736
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 5: people don't really have TVs, but we kind of I've

737
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 5: never kind of just been sat down and just watched

738
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 5: TV or evening. We're doing different stuff. Why it's creative too,

739
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 5: So I think that's part of it really is.

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Speaker 4: It's impressive what you've done, Mark, and I appreciate you

741
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 4: coming on today. I really enjoyed this topic and let

742
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 4: me know when that new dot comes out and I'll

743
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 4: be looking forward to the Rendelsim documentary.

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00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you, Captain Ron. It's been an honor. Thank

745
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 5: you for having me on.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely brother, Thanks everyone for listening to be on Contact.

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Speaker 4: We'll be back next week with an all new episode.

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