1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. I should have changed the frame rate on 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: the camera. It doesn't really matter. Hello everyone, my name 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: is Luke Thomas. This is episode eighty seven of my 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: live chat. It is the sixteenth of September twenty twenty one. 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me. Here's what I 6 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: want you to do. I would like for you to subscribe. 7 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: I want you to thumbs up on the video. You 8 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: might hear my daughter screaming because it's just one of 9 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: those days. And when I say one of those days, 10 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: I mean like every day, but you know, particularly today. 11 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: She was in a great mood this morning and now 12 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: she can't go to the park because it's raining, and 13 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: it's a whole thing. Let's see what else video thumbs 14 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: up hit subscribe today. We'll get to this. Let's see 15 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: a Belator show this weekend. There's a UFC show this weekend. 16 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: There's a lot of stories around that. There's a lot 17 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: of moving parts in the world of combat sports. So 18 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,319 Speaker 1: anything related to that even beyond up to you. We'll 19 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: get to it here today. Okay, all right, we'll go 20 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: about an hour and some change, and with that preamble 21 00:00:53,720 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: out of the way, let's get this thing going. All 22 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: right there we are. Let me pull up the list 23 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: of questions. Okay, oh right, let me turn this thing on. 24 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: As you know, I put on the community section of 25 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: the YouTube page. So if you go to YouTube dot 26 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: com slash Morning Combat usually on Wednesdays, at some point 27 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: after the regular MK show, I put up a thread 28 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: in the community section of the YouTube page asking for 29 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: folks to give their questions. They fill them up, and 30 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: then we go here. Yeah. I got a lot of 31 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: people who like email me questions. No good, you can 32 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: email me like with other questions, but not for the 33 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: live chat specifically. Okay, all right, first question, let's pull 34 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: this up a little bit more. You know what, I'm 35 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: gonna blow up the text because your boy can't see 36 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: faux shit. There we go. That's better, all right, Chatri 37 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: I'm assuming you means Chatri sit Yad Tong was on 38 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: Aerial Show today and said their December fifth show will 39 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: be called one X and it features a fight between 40 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: Demetrius Johnson and Rod Tang and a special rules about 41 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: four ounce gloves, one hundred and thirty five pounds and 42 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: four three minute rounds. You can hear my daughter screaming 43 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: at the door. Rounds will be rounds one and three 44 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: will be muay Thai. Rounds two and four will be 45 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: MMA bout agreements already signed. Yeah, this happened already about 46 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: ten or so years ago. Shinya Alki did this against 47 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: well was his name. He was like this Japanese cause 48 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: player who was a kickboxer. He ended up winning. Actually 49 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: I think in the MMA round I could be getting 50 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: those details wrong. I forget his name, and they even 51 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: may have been a rematch with that too. But yeah, 52 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: we've seen this before. The Japanese promotions have done this. Listen, 53 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: either this is your kind of thing, or it's not. 54 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: Ratang is you know, absoltainly no muy Thai expert. From 55 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: from what Muytai experts tell me, he is quite good obviously. Demetrius, 56 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: you know, come up of a loss, still very very 57 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: very very very good. And you know this is listen. 58 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: I have a lot of issues with chatri and One 59 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: as an organization that has a seems to have a 60 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: real big challenge with telling the truth. But when you 61 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: just sort of examine what the product is that they 62 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: put out, I like it. I like their product. It's 63 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: a good product. It won't be for everybody, I think 64 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: some US fans might revive, you know, pull back in 65 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: horror at this kind of manipulation of the rule set, 66 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: but there's an a a precedent for this very kind 67 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: of thing. And more to the point, remember they're not 68 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: really encumbered by what athletic commissions do. I think there 69 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: are some benefits to having athletic commissions, but there can 70 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: be some challenges with that as well, and part of 71 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: that is rule innovation is very, very difficult to change 72 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: the rules when which is going to say that a 73 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: US promotion couldn't do this, But the point being is 74 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: the ease with which that one can so sort of 75 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: tinker with things year over year to address deficiencies in 76 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: their product or make use of their existing roster in 77 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: some kind of way that differentiates it or makes it interesting. 78 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: They have real nimbleness to do that, and I actually, 79 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: I actually kind of value that. I don't know that 80 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: I would want every organization in the space to have 81 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 1: unfettered ability to tinker with the rules, but it's pretty 82 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: clear that the athletic commission system probably is a net benefit, 83 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: especially for all the problems credibility things being above board, 84 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: basic protections for the fighters that kind of a thing. 85 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: But as a downside, it really hampers innovation and it 86 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: hampers an organization's ability to nimbly address persistent issues. So 87 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: this might be just sort of creative play with it, 88 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: but it's fine, Like, yeah, I like their product, I 89 00:04:55,000 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: like it, I like it. This one doesn't have any 90 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: up votes, so I'm gonna skip it. God, there's a 91 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: bunch of these like that. Here. Let me put this 92 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: on off. There we go. Okay, someone's asking Bo Nichols 93 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: first fight. Bo Nichol was an incredible wrestler at Penn State. 94 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: I think one thing I would say is he's not 95 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: just gonna have very dominant takedowns and needability to extend 96 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: into a takedown from a faraway place. His matt wrestling 97 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: is extremely good. So once he gets you down, assuming 98 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: he's been working on the rest of the pieces of 99 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: his game, it's going to be very, very difficult for 100 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: anyone to do anything. He is a phenomenal matt wrestler, 101 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: very very very good just outside space wrestlers and there's 102 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: the ones who can wrestle on the mat in those 103 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: kinds of scrambles, and he is next level at it. 104 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: Per sources holy Field belfour event totaled about one hundred 105 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: and fifty k pay per view buys from linear and 106 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: digital platforms. This came to us from Dan Rayphield, which 107 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: would make it a massive money loser. Yeah, about seven 108 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: point five million total on the purse, sorry, seven point 109 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: five million total on the net proceed growth proceeds. What 110 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: am I saying, which you know, after you cut out 111 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,679 Speaker 1: the middleman, probably doesn't even cover the cost of fights 112 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: forget everything else, right, Yeah? Ou here seven point five mili. 113 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: How long can Triller keep throwing money out the window? 114 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: Probably a long time if they want to. I don't 115 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: really understand how the organization works on the inside. I 116 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: will candidly admit to you this is a piece of information, 117 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:50,239 Speaker 1: and several pieces of information that have eluded me. Who 118 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: in the company is making decisions about outside of the 119 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: app getting into these kinds of events and then looking 120 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: at what they're spending versus what they're returning and electing 121 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: to keep doing it. That part is not so clear 122 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: to me. I don't really understand that. But the reason 123 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: why it could happen for much longer is pretty basic, 124 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: which is that they have hundreds of millions of dollars 125 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: in venture capital funding, and there's some reports indicates that 126 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,239 Speaker 1: could only grow again based off of their relative strength 127 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: or whatever you want to say about the app itself, 128 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: it's got nothing to do with the boxing business. Sort 129 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: of expanded sense of things. Also, it deserves to be 130 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: noted that I think they bought out the versus thing, 131 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: which does appear to actually have some real commercial appeal. 132 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: So it's not clear who's making decisions allowing these kinds 133 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: of things and why they're looking at just hemorrhaging of 134 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: money and thinking this is the thing they can keep doing, 135 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: although that seems to be one's business model. I think 136 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: we answered a question like this last week. Someone's asking 137 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: not a about him per se, but about a situation 138 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: like his. Leon Edwards tweeted that he'll only accept a 139 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: title fight next. Do you think waiting is the right 140 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: strategy or is he risking getting passed by? You are 141 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: always risking getting passed by if you wait around long enough. Right, 142 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: let's pull up the rankings here, get a clear sense 143 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: of things, right, all right, So if you look at welterweight, 144 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: here is how it goes. Obviously Kamara was your champion 145 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: one is Colby two? Is Gilbert? Three is Leon? What 146 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: you would have to wrestle with is is it Pottin 147 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: In four? Is Visente? Five is Stephen Wonder Boys? So 148 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: you can you can say Wonder Boy is probably not 149 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: gonna get a title shot. So at that point Colby 150 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: already has one, which is upcoming in November. So then 151 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: you have to ask yourself, to what extent could Vicente 152 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: Luke or Gilbert Burns if you're Leon Edwards, to what 153 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,719 Speaker 1: extent could they leap frog me? Gilbert already had his 154 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: and then lost had the rebound performance against Wonder Boy, 155 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: but it didn't exactly blow the management skirt up in 156 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: terms of sort of exciting, even though you and I 157 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: both know that is any very very difficult win to 158 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: come by. But okay, so he's kind of in the 159 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: place where he needs to be, but I wouldn't worry 160 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: too much about him leap frogging me. And then there's Vicente, 161 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: which where things could get interesting. Does he take that 162 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: Nate Diaz fight as Nate seem to express interest. If 163 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 1: it does, it pulls him out of the running. So 164 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: let's assume that those are the two things in play. 165 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: If you're a Leon and that's what you're waiting for. 166 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: That's a good bet to wait. That's a good bet 167 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: in part because the title fight is already booked, right 168 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 1: it's what it's not quite next month because we're still 169 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: in September, but it's about what six or seven weeks 170 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: away something like that, not that far like it's on 171 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: the books. That's going to happen. I think it's the 172 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: main event of that card in New York City. So 173 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: you already have it on the books. You know what 174 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: the result's going to be, and they're gonna be asking 175 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: whoever the winner is, especially if it's Kamaru, you know, 176 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: do you want to fight Leon? The part that gets 177 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: interesting is and this is where waiting can come to 178 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: be a problem. One what happens if Gilbert Burns takes 179 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: another fight pretty quickly and then looks extremely impressive, then 180 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: you might have a problem on your hands. Luke A 181 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: potentially could get you know, matched up with Edwards if 182 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: the UFC wants to force the issue enough, although I 183 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: suppose he could deny it, but he's kind of playing 184 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: out there at the margins a little bit. But the 185 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: problem could be if there is this is the rematch 186 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: between Usman and Covington, and it is entirely possible that 187 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: Covington could win, and there would need to be a 188 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: rubber match. When I say need to be, I mean 189 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 1: there's fan demand for it. Usman could win, and it 190 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 1: could be controversial to the nth degree, in which case 191 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: they might want to run it back. In other words, 192 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 1: there are reasons to think that, based on the complexion, 193 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: they might have to do a third fight between Usman 194 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: and Covington, in which case, if I was Leon Edwards, 195 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: then then I would not wait. Then you begin to 196 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: get to problems where you're gonna talk about another six 197 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: months later they're gonna have a fight. You're just gonna 198 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: wait for all that amount of time while Luke and 199 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: burn And almost certainly will take a fight during that time. 200 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: That's when shit gets icy. Now, who knows what the 201 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: UFC brass is telling him. It's not that there's a 202 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: hard and fast rule of weight or don't wait, it's 203 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: survey the land. How long can you wait? I would say, 204 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: you know, waiting up to a year is probably doable, 205 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: but maybe inadvisable. Waiting six to nine months is a 206 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: little bit more. I think in the ballpark of totally acceptable. 207 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: I mean even a year you could get away with. 208 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: But then there's also problems of like do you want 209 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: to wait that long and not compete? I realize that 210 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: Edwards waited longer than that and competed in one against Nadaz, 211 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: but still it raises additional issues that you just don't 212 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: want to run into. So it's never a clean yes 213 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: or no. It's what am I up against? How close 214 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: am I? Who could leapfrog me? And while the title 215 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: fight is booked, these two have history. Is it possible 216 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: that a third fight would be quickly broached? You know? 217 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 1: If it does? If a third fight is made between them, 218 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: so back to back in this case, second and third 219 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: back to back, then I would take a fight if 220 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: I was him, But if not, it's a decent play 221 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: to try and run that one out. Let's see, Jesus, 222 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: there's a shitlottle question. Oh here we go. What defeat 223 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: would hurt more for Woodley? You think the Colby fight 224 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: or the Jake fight? Oh fucking Colby fight by a 225 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: million miles. It might suck to lose to Jake, right, 226 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: but one it wasn't dominating in any kind of way. 227 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: I think Jake was the rightful winner, but it wasn't 228 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: like you know, he was beating him like a drum. 229 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: First of all. Second of all, dude, Tyron got paid. 230 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: Tyron got paid his base pay. His base for the 231 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: Jake fight was two mil. All the other conversation he 232 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: gets on top, from sponsors to cuts of the payview 233 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: to whatever. So dude, he he made out like a 234 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: bandit with that. He didn't make that shit for the 235 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: Colby fight. He made a fraction of that for the 236 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: Colby fight. And it was to a heated rival with 237 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: you know, a widely disparate political worldview that he promotes, 238 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: and you know it was tkod to injury. I mean 239 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: it was every Yeah, you can take solace in the fact. 240 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: And also, like I said, other part, like you lost 241 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: to Colby, but you know Colby's very, very good, and 242 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: you could say, oh, we'll losening to Jake sucks because 243 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: he's not that good. Okay, but it's not your sport. 244 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: You know, you're forty basically, and you got a shitload 245 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: of money for it, and you can kind of finagle 246 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: the results in terms of how it's presented to the public, 247 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: at least to some degree. Yeah, for sure. The Colby 248 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: one is worse. Norm MacDonald died. Can you comment if 249 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: you were a fan not please look him up? We 250 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: lost a great one, dude. Nor McDonald was in SNL 251 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: when I was in high school in college. Yeah, like 252 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: I'm people like, don't look him up, motherfucker. Don't worry 253 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: like people who were on TV. When being on TV 254 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: meant something in my youth. Trust me, they're not hard 255 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: to find. Yeah, dude, he he was interesting. He was 256 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: always a little bit weird. I admire how much he 257 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: went after OJ. I enjoyed his stint on Weekend Up Date. 258 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong. Did he not do a 259 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: movie with Artie Lang called Dirty Work? I feel like 260 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: that's true. Let me verify that part. At that part 261 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: I cannot quite remember, if so. Yeah, Norm MacDonald, Jack Warden, 262 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: Arty Lang, Chris Farley was in it for a time, 263 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: Don Rickles, Jesus just fucking hammers in that whole movie. 264 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: You know, dude, he had a completely unique style. He 265 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: had a he was unforgiving. He wasn't like, hugely political, 266 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: but you know, to the extent that it was relevant, 267 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: he waded into it. But you know, I think what 268 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: you could take away most from Norm is is I 269 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: like these guys that have these really unusual, weird kind 270 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: of affects and worldviews, and they see things totally differently, 271 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: and they've got a very weird logic about how they 272 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: examine things. But there's always like this sort of like 273 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: stinging and sometimes uncomfortable element of truth to it. Just 274 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: a very very unique person with very unique world worldview, 275 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: a very unique way of delivering comedy. And you know, 276 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: to me, it's always this is not always true, I 277 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: should I shouldn't say always, it's almost always true to 278 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: me that the ones who come from stand up and 279 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: then do something else, they're always much better than their peers, 280 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: always almost always better than their peers. And Norms one 281 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: of those kinds of guys just an incredible, incredible talent. 282 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: And I think I saw a quote from him that 283 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: could be false, but whoever came up with it's a 284 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: good one that, you know, something to the effect of 285 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: people say, when you die, you cancer, you know you 286 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: lost your battle with cancer, but his count if you died, 287 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: the cancer dies with it. He calls that a draw, 288 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: you know him, And obviously the damn about to say 289 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: is very different. But I put them in sort of 290 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: the same universe. You're Mitch Hedberg types. Even Doug Stanhope 291 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: to an extent in terms of like some of the 292 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: uniqueness and the fierce way in which he sort of 293 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: viewed the world. Doug's angrier and has much darker comedy, 294 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: but Norm was of a similar ilk. Look, why do 295 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: you always refer to someone cutting their yard to your 296 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: family making noise? I can never hear it. That's because 297 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: of the microphone. This type of microphone needs a lot 298 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: of gain to pick up on a lot of stuff, 299 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: including my voice and everything outside of it. But it's 300 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: because I can hear it, and it drives me nuts. 301 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: Today it's raining right now, so I don't have to worry 302 00:16:47,440 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: about someone mulling their yard. I don't think there's a 303 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: good question. How did Emma Fighting get two interviews with Chautrey. 304 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 1: I don't know they had two, but MK didn't get any. Well, 305 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,479 Speaker 1: we didn't try. It should be clear after you were 306 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: chasing him for an interview years ago. Well, I chased 307 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: him for a brief moment in time until I realized 308 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: I was dealing with somebody who could not be trusted. Look, 309 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: everything I'm about to say is my opinion, So take 310 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: that for what it's worth. I would not believe personally 311 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: a single word that comes out of Chatry sit you 312 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: on Tong's mouth, I would not. I would be extremely 313 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: skeptical about anything he has to say, including for the 314 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: fact that this fight is supposed to take place. I'll 315 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: believe that when I see it. Candidly. Listen, if I 316 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: request an interview with someone and they don't want to 317 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: do it, that's okay. It's totally okay. In fact, I've 318 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: had fighters be like, now, I'm not interested. Okay, Like 319 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: I'm an adult, they're an adult. Frankly, if they don't 320 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:50,959 Speaker 1: want to do it, I don't want to do it 321 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: because I would rather have somebody interested. I've told you 322 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: guys this before. I'd rather have somebody interested in the process, 323 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: and it makes just for a better experience. Guy saw 324 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: my Robert Whitaker interview that was supposed to be BC's. 325 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: He was out and he asked me to sub in 326 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: at the last moment. It's pretty clear that for whatever reason, 327 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: Whittaker didn't really want to talk to me, which is 328 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: also fine, and he was just kind of going through 329 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: with it to be professional, which I understand, but I'm 330 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: just pointing out, you know, I think probably he and 331 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: I would both agree it wasn't necessarily the best interview. 332 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: I'm trying to to the extent possible to avoid situations 333 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: like that. For whatever reason, somebody may or may not 334 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: want to talk to me, and it's okay if they 335 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: don't want to, Like I'm an adult, just say no. 336 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: They didn't say no him and the guy who was 337 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: running PR at the time his name is Lauren Mack, 338 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:34,719 Speaker 1: who now works at PFL, And when I see him 339 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: on the road, that's going to be an uncomfortable conversation 340 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: about why he repeatedly lied to me as well. But 341 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: they consistently gave me a series of totally made up 342 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: excuses rather than saying no all the time, which they 343 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: should have just said from the beginning. And then you know, 344 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: you could say, well, Ariol's got the biggest platform, that's 345 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: why he went on there, which I totally understand. But 346 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 1: then during the time in which I was trying this 347 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: a the platform I was almost pretty big, and be 348 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: to the other point, I would see him go on 349 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: these like really really small podcast you know, ahead and 350 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 1: have a fraction of my own reach so you know, 351 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: the basic idea is that here's here's a man that, 352 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: from my opinion, in my estimation, has a very tenuous 353 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: grasp on the truth. And in fact, when you look at 354 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: the reporting that Bloody Elbo has done about their finances 355 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: consistently over the years, it matches none of the public 356 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: rhetoric from Chawtree. I would be extremely careful about believing 357 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: anything he says, anything, anything, anything at all about any 358 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: topic whatsoever. He is you know, not reliable is the 359 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 1: way I would put it, and you know, not very 360 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: professional either to handle a situation where you know, and listen, 361 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: I was going to ask about the drug testing and 362 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: everything else, which I you know, and weight cutting and 363 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: where the evidence is that they've fixed all these problems, right, 364 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it's probably going to be an uncomfortable interview 365 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: with me, So just say no. So just say no, 366 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: do the whole Nancy Reagan bit. But if you give 367 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: me an excuse and you leave me down a rabbit hole, 368 00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: that's going nowhere, We're going to have problems. So now 369 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: we problems. We we I have a problem with them. 370 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: And you know, when I saw PFL hired Lauren Mack, 371 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, uh, you know, if he's under 372 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: the impression that changing organizations from one to PFL, I'm 373 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: wiping the slate clean. No, I'm not wiping the slate clean. 374 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: So I like PFL a lot, but a lot of 375 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: questions that have to be answered in my opinion. Look, 376 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: you recommended the Every Frame as a painting channel a 377 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: while back, and it's fantastic stuff. I've heard you mentioned 378 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: movies from time to time, But to what extent are 379 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: you a film fan? Not in any kind of really 380 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: coordinated way. Have you watched the classics? I mean, I 381 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: know what's in the Criterion collection. I try to try 382 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: to watch all of those. How many AFI Top one 383 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: hundred have you seen? I have to look at the list. 384 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. Favorite genre genre would be sh god, 385 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if I have a favorite genre. Favorite directors. 386 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: That part's a little easier. Corasawa would be a big one. Kubrick. 387 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: I'm not as much of a Spielberg hater as some 388 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: other folks. I mean, there's there's definite knits to pick, 389 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: but I do like some of his work. But the 390 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: big one for me would for sure be Kubrick and Carasawa. 391 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: Those are my two APEX predators. I think should I 392 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: wear my BC Hawaiian shirt to the Capitol Saturday? Careful, 393 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: just don't visit Pelosi's desk. Uh. Yes, I saw this one. 394 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: Moreno versus FIGUREDO three in the works for December eleventh. 395 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: What are your initial thoughts on this? You know, this 396 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: is an interesting matchup at I don't know that this 397 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: is the way I would have gone, But then when 398 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: they explain that Pantoja wasn't really gonna be ready, it 399 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: left a situation lacking. The first thing I'd say is 400 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: if they hadn't gutted the division, I don't know for 401 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: a fact that they would have had a better choice, 402 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: but it does seem to me that like part of 403 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: this is, yes, the guy who was number one contender 404 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 1: wasn't ready. The other part might be that whatever additional 405 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: resources they may have had for a fresh matchup wasn't 406 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: really there. That said, and to contrast that argument, maybe 407 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: that wouldn't even mattered anyway. Would you rather have someone 408 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: who's a little bit more meritocratically eligible or would you 409 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: rather have someone who's not really makes the most sense, 410 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: but you know it's gonna be reliable for action, and 411 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: you can't say exactly who's gonna win or lose. You 412 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: probably think Moreno's gonna win. I probably think Moreno's gonna win. 413 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: But can you declare that for sure? Not necessarily, And 414 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 1: to get trilogies in the flightweight division, that's fairly rare. 415 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: So this reminds me of like boxing fights. You'll see 416 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: a lot of boxing fights where I mean, this is 417 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: a bad example I'm trying to think of. At you 418 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: will see certain matchups, for example, like Pachio Marquez and look, 419 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: this has got a little bit of Azquez Marquez in 420 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: it a little bit. The title implications are a little 421 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: bit different, but uh, it makes it makes it makes 422 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: it not quite a fair comparison. But you will see 423 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: fights in boxing between some elite guys, and they'll match 424 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: up several times, in part because of the reasons you 425 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: have here. There may not be a better one the 426 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: last time they fought or whatever, how many times they've fought, 427 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: it's always been pretty good. Why not just run it back, 428 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: see what you can do it again. Like you find 429 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: those where they're just a little bit more willing to 430 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: have these like multiple permutations throughout the course of things. 431 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: And this sort of falls into that category. So, like, 432 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: you know, is it the freshest matchup? Quite literally it 433 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: is not. Is it even the best one they could 434 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: have come up with? That's debatable too, like where was 435 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: Askar Askarov? You know? But but I don't think it's 436 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: a crime, and I think there's some real there's some 437 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: real ways could turn to be a great third fight, 438 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: could make the trilogy even better. And again, you just 439 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: don't get those kinds of opportunities for history between two 440 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: folks and in this division as you do for some 441 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 1: of the other ones. So you know, I think if 442 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: folks have mixed feelings about it, that's okay, But I 443 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: also feel like if you're pretty excited about it, you 444 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: should be. It's an interesting it's an interesting booking. Luke 445 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: thoughts on Joseph Beinavitez, his retirement and his overall career. 446 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: Joseph Benavidez is gonna be one of those guys who 447 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 1: I really, really really hope doesn't get forgotten because of 448 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: the lack of hardware around his waist when it's all 449 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: said and done. I think Joseph Benavidez is just an 450 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: absolutely class person. Every time I've dealt with him and 451 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: had to ask him difficult questions. He doesn't shy away 452 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: from them. I think that you cannot argue anything other 453 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: than he thought the best of his generation and then 454 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: some and in difficult circumstances, and he probably got a 455 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 1: couple of, you know, opportunities by virtue of you know, 456 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: the no. I don't know if that's true actually, But 457 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: what I say is why he's important is because one, 458 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: if you justified greatness in MMA by who has had hardware, 459 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: who has it, you will miss out on guys like this. 460 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: There are people who became weight class champions who did 461 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: not do overall what Jose Benavidez did. And that's just 462 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: a fact, right. For as long as he was competitive 463 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: against you know, for most of his career, or at 464 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: least big stretches of it anyway, fighting outside of his 465 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: natural weight class and for the most part having a 466 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: shitload of success with it, he happened to be at 467 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: the UFC. At the same time, there was just a 468 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: generational talent in Demetrius Johnson, and it didn't go his way. 469 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: You know, it didn't go his way. Okay, so Demetrius 470 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 1: was better, But you know, when you just get compared 471 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: to like the relative abilities when there's just sort of 472 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: supreme talent there that is hard to match on by 473 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: any measurement, so much gets lost. He thought, outside of 474 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: his weight class, he fought the very best that he 475 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 1: was offered to me. He was an early archetype of 476 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: the kind I mean for you know, for the sort 477 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: of mid to late two thousands, even sort of like 478 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: twenty ten's run, you know, the guys who were perfecting 479 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 1: that wrestle boxer style out of Alpha Male. It ran 480 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 1: into its limits certainly, but for a while it was 481 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: a very dominant style of fighting, a very dominant force 482 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: from a dominant team. He was critical and instrumental to 483 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: all of that, like bringing about this style and showing 484 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: its value and you know, showing what could be done 485 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: in different parts of MMA, like how well he could 486 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: scramble and what it meant were fights where guys tried 487 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: to get takedowns and couldn't, and how that was the 488 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 1: sort of the bleeding edge of that at the time. 489 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I really feel like that kind of style 490 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: contributed to the overall growth of MMA, to the paradigms 491 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: of MMA, and then again styles came along that challenge 492 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: that and everything else. But you know, did you ever 493 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: see people talk a ton of shit about Joseph beIN Avitez. 494 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: I don't really feel like that ever happened. I don't 495 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: feel like that was real, you know. I don't feel 496 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: like there was a lot of folks really going after 497 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: him for the way he was living his life, for 498 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: what he was saying in interviews, even though he remained 499 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: to be a fan favorite and stayed relevant for a 500 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: very very long time. Dude, he just did a lot 501 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: that's very difficult to do, even if you're a weight 502 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: class champion, and there are several weight class champions who 503 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: do not have I think the strength of a resume 504 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 1: that he does. There are limits to it as well. 505 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: No fighter is perfect, but he had a great career. 506 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: It's unfortunate in the sense that I know that the 507 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: history books just don't account for folks like him in 508 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: the way that they should, which I've mentioned before. But 509 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: I have a profound amount of respect his career was 510 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: what I would call incredible, truly incredible, you know, given 511 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 1: the challenges he was up against, how much he advanced 512 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: fighting during his time, and how he never backed off 513 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: of difficult challenges, and how he made some very very 514 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: good fighters look foolish in his presence. Like there's a 515 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: lot of very good things you could say about what 516 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: he did, and he should be incredibly proud. I know, 517 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: again didn't go all the way he had expected it, 518 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: But and by the way, I also think he's bowing 519 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: out at the right time you tried. I do think 520 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: the game in terms of the best practices have passed 521 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: by the style that he brought. And while I think 522 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: he could still win fights, probably if you're not really 523 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: in contention for the title and there's a real risk 524 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: of further damage to your body and brain, probably just 525 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: time to call it a day. And so Joseph, I think, 526 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: is making a timely call. Maybe you could have made 527 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: it after the first loss to Figuredo, but then there 528 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: was the headbut thing, and so he wanted to do 529 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: it again. But you know, he did MMA the right way. 530 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:01,479 Speaker 1: I think. I think we could learn a lot from 531 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: the way he conducted himself. Would you ever invite Jimmy 532 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: Smith to sub on for BC and MK? Yeah, sure, 533 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: Jimmy's the man who is killing it. By the way, 534 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: for one I understand is like doing well over WWE, 535 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: which is just great to hear. Rugel recently said that 536 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: he saw an opportunity for and Ghanu, usbinin Izzy to 537 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: get more money by joining together against Dana. Since and 538 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: Ganu and Dana are at odds, do you think three 539 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: champs and three of the four biggest weight classes working 540 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: together could get them, not all fighters, but just each 541 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: other more money. No, it would take a lot more 542 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: than that. No, it is It is true that if 543 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: you had champions, particularly these are like the All African Trio, 544 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: the Three Kings, right, you have in ghan Who, Usbin 545 00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: and Izzy. It is true that I think they would 546 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: make a bold statement. But like really rallying and labor 547 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: organizing is different than that you would need. You would 548 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: need much more than that, Like getting the guys who 549 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: actually can benefit from the UFC pay structure relatively speaking 550 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: to speak out against it. That is powerful. I do 551 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: agree that's powerful. But do Jake Paul, do Jig Paul 552 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: and others as well. They've mainstreamed the idea that UFC 553 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: fighters are underpaid. Now, what is going to happen about 554 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: it is very much open to debate. But like most 555 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: people are kind of aware of the fact that UFC 556 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: product is doing really well, but then maybe the fighters 557 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: don't quite make what the boxers make, and you know, 558 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: the average fan would probably like to see them make more. 559 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: That is fairly normalized. That's that's kind of already there 560 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:58,479 Speaker 1: actual organizing behind that, just getting them and like thinking 561 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: that that's going to bring along an enough of the 562 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: rank and file behind them. I don't buy that you 563 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: would have to have more. You would have to have more. 564 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: Aeriel announced today that some and this was I don't 565 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: know when this was written, I guess eight minutes ago, 566 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: that some quote powerful individuals are going to announce a 567 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: new MMA promotion this week that gives athletes fifty percent 568 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: rev share health insurance. I think there's even gonna be 569 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: a CBA, is what I read. Do you have any 570 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:31,239 Speaker 1: info on this? No, but you know, let's like, you know, 571 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: the graveyard of people who were well capitalized with amazing 572 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: connections in the industry and a giant roster, with a 573 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: with a premiere broadcast partner. The amount the graveyard that's 574 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: filled with people like that is endless. So I'm not 575 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: in any way suggesting that I have insight to declare 576 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: that this promotion won't work. What I can tell you 577 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: is I lived through ELITEC and IFL and every other 578 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: permutation that happened Jesus post two thousand and four, two 579 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: thousand and three. Really, the graveyard is littered with hundreds 580 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: of millions of dollars and people who had great connections. 581 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: So let's see. Have I listened to the new Kanye 582 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: album yet? Fuck? No, I don't care about that. With 583 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: the news that there is a potential MMA league coming 584 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, how do you see this potentially 585 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: changing MMA as a whole. I don't. We'll pay change 586 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: due to pressure, probably not. Will fighters move to this 587 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,719 Speaker 1: league or will the UFC still hold power over them? 588 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: How are they going to move? The UFC doesn't want 589 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: to let them. I mean eventually they get rid of them, right, 590 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: contracts come up and you know, they get cut or whatever. 591 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: But like, do I expect that rate of attrition to change? No, 592 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: And so the reason why it wont was because the 593 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: UFC doesn't need to. And most of those are the 594 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: rules about what keeps them in the UFC are baked 595 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: into UFC contracts, turning down FIKES contracts, getting extended championship clauses, 596 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. I'm sure that they will find 597 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: people to fill out the roster, and like PFL. What 598 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: PFL has found, I think quite rightly is that there 599 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: are some folks who realize, if I can just beat 600 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: a tournament, maybe I won't get all the headlines and 601 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: do all the interviews, but I'll get a ton of money, 602 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: and that's pretty attractive to me. At whatever stage of 603 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: the career they're end, you might get something like that. 604 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: I think that seems to me very possible, A real 605 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: to me, this is bigger news for PFL and Bellator. 606 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: I don't think this has any impact for UFC. That 607 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: being said, we need to see what the details are 608 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: and we'll go from there. Where has Chrome Gracie been 609 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: I do not know. I do not know when was 610 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: the last time he competed? Was it the cub Swanson fight? 611 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: Let's see. Yeah, Jesus, we're coming up on two years 612 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 1: in October. I don't know. I really don't know. I 613 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: don't know what the issue is. I don't know. He's 614 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 1: thirty three now, like clock sticking. That's a good question. 615 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: Let's see if I can dig around for next week. 616 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: Are we at a high or low point for combat sports? 617 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: I mean, depends on your perspective. But if you're a fan, 618 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: you should be very happy. Dude. You have popular and 619 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:58,280 Speaker 1: accessible via streaming services, high end boxing all over the world, 620 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: high end kickboxing if you want it, all over the world, 621 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: high end mixed martial arts, even low end mixed martial 622 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: arts at every various stage. You have sites devoted to 623 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: the collection of this information. You have record keeping about it, 624 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 1: you now have statistical information about it. Let me explain 625 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: to you what happened when I first started watching MMA 626 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: sites that I kept records of fighters. I think sure 627 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: Dog had a very very infant fight finder, but this 628 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: was not very common. It wasn't a whole lot of 629 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: and those records were very much incomplete. So you hardly 630 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: had any new sites. You had almost no record keeping, 631 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: You certainly had no statistics. The streaming was the technology 632 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 1: was not there. You didn't have nearly as many fighters, 633 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: nearly as many promotions, nearly as much money into the 634 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: sport or even well, boxing is a little bit different, 635 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 1: but you're asking about combat sports more generally, Dude, none 636 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: of that shit existed. None of it Like now the 637 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: things you like take as sort of like, oh, this 638 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: must have always been there. I literally lived through the 639 00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: advent of it. I watched it materialize, is based here 640 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: in DC. That just didn't exist until someone came along, 641 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: Roni Genauer, who's the guy behind it, just decided to 642 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: like make that kind of a product. So you know, 643 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,879 Speaker 1: when you add in how many fights are there, how 644 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: good the fights are, how easily readable, they are accessible, 645 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: they are, how global the sport is. Then you add 646 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,879 Speaker 1: in boxing and kickboxing and jiu jitsu by the way, 647 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 1: God damn jiu jitsu. I mean, you want to talk 648 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 1: about a revolution there with the sort of like pro 649 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: jiu jitsu formats and the amount of academies and the 650 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: best practices and dude, I remember when people were trading 651 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 1: like you know, half Gracie manuals, physical books that they 652 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: would hand out to each other. And then the advent 653 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: of YouTube came along, and now you have just you know, 654 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 1: the Marcella Garcia in action and the Autos Library and 655 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: Who's number one promotion flow grappling and all this kind 656 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,240 Speaker 1: of Dude, this was like just the shit just didn't exist. 657 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: It just didn't exist. Not that it existed in a 658 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: different form, it just was not there. Now, man, like 659 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: I cannot I'm not saying that there's not issues to 660 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,800 Speaker 1: be fixed. Really have to fight or pay or safety 661 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,320 Speaker 1: or whatever. There's tons of things that could always be better. 662 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: But if this isn't the high point for combat sports, 663 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: when was? When could you do all the things you 664 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: do now? I don't I don't know what The answer 665 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: to that is, what the hell happened last live stream? 666 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: My tower froze so which has never happened, but it 667 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: happened this time. Top three most influential MMA families today? 668 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 1: Would you still put the Gracis in there? Families? How 669 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: the family structure is not nearly as impactful as it 670 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: once was. Obviously, historically Shamrock and Gracie. Someone says nimica 671 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: made of You're getting there with Irmiga Madov. Obviously there's 672 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,359 Speaker 1: just been nimica made of and have been. His father 673 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:07,360 Speaker 1: played a role in all that. Families, there's not many 674 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 1: family roles are not The dynasties are not that big. Obviously, 675 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 1: the gracies are still quite relevant in many ways, but 676 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,240 Speaker 1: in terms of like top tier prize fighting, their influence 677 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: has dramatically waned. In Flames or dark tranquility, Probably in flames, 678 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,280 Speaker 1: there's a good question Luke was wondering what a few 679 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: factors were that helped you decide if expansion of your 680 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: personal brand slash online presence was more important than say, 681 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: bloody elbow slash MMA fighting or whatever. Yeah, I mean, 682 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,479 Speaker 1: it's a couple of things, is what I would say. 683 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: The first thing that I began to realize was I 684 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: liked doing video more. That's one. And then two, my 685 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: options for doing it were pretty limited if I was 686 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: going to rely on my employer at the time for opportunities. 687 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: Now that changed a little bit the later it went on, 688 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 1: but it was still not exactly in keeping with what 689 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,879 Speaker 1: I with what I wanted. So what I would say 690 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 1: is one, I realized that, like, you could do the 691 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: writing kind of thing, but I just didn't enjoy it 692 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: as much. I enjoyed video much more so. One what 693 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 1: made me happier. That was one. Two how much do 694 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,760 Speaker 1: I want to do it and in what ways versus 695 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 1: what opportunities do I have? There was an asymmetry there 696 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 1: that I wanted to solve. And then three, it was 697 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: just a little bit of self preservation. To be quite 698 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,399 Speaker 1: candid with you, I made this point before. You can 699 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: write in sports today and make a living dot dot dot, 700 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: but it's going to be hard. You need to be 701 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: an exceptional writer to have a job, or you need 702 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: to have a very important gig for a very important institution. 703 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: So for example, like I read a lot of the 704 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: foot I subscribe to my local newspaper, which is the 705 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: Washington Post, and there are writers in there that are 706 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 1: very good Barr's ver Luga. I was thinking about, h well, 707 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 1: there's this other one. Hold on, let me pull them up. 708 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 1: Uh tak Albishire I think was with NBC Washington, not 709 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,280 Speaker 1: the Post. I know he used to be with the Post. 710 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 1: Then they pulled them up. Let's see, so here we go, 711 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: and then they have the guy who is local then 712 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 1: went national. Hang on, let's see. Ben Summer is good. 713 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: John John Finesne is a little bit old school, but 714 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,760 Speaker 1: he's pretty good. Candae Buckner does a phenomenal job covering 715 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 1: the Wizards. Stephen Goff is sort of like the in 716 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: house you know, uh, soccer guy. Ben Golliard does a 717 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 1: great job with the NBA coverage. John Clayton even does 718 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: some work for them. Now, Adam Kilgore. There's some other 719 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 1: ones on there as well. But the point being is, 720 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 1: you know some of them may or may not have 721 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 1: any kind of the All the names I mentioned have 722 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,320 Speaker 1: something of a larger role in the in the NFL 723 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: or NBA world, but they're very very important for the 724 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,759 Speaker 1: for the post because they make the post coverage in 725 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 1: theory anyway better, right, they do that kind of job. 726 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,879 Speaker 1: So that's a secure ish kind of role for that 727 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,359 Speaker 1: for that very important media outlet. But the reality is 728 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 1: to the extent that you can make yourself the figure 729 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: that people want to see, right, And that's not easy 730 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,359 Speaker 1: or automatic, and I have not figured every out every 731 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 1: other way to do that. But if that's the case, 732 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 1: where you can bank on your own audience that follows you, 733 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: you don't need any other outlet, or you can go 734 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 1: to an outlet, but because you bring the audience now, 735 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: it increases your leverage. What I found on what I 736 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 1: saw inside the MMA media business and sports business journal 737 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:09,719 Speaker 1: business more broadly, was that dude, people like who you 738 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 1: think had cushy gigs or you know, big names inside 739 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: the sport like anything can flip that upside down. And 740 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,439 Speaker 1: then you have to look at them and say, okay, 741 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,839 Speaker 1: wait a second, how big without any of this other 742 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,799 Speaker 1: stuff around them? How big is their audience, and I 743 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 1: found that a lot of them didn't have enough of 744 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,759 Speaker 1: an audience following them specifically, such that when they were 745 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 1: on their own they could float, and I watched a 746 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 1: lot of them drown. And it was a bit of 747 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 1: a wake up call to me, which is to the 748 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,359 Speaker 1: extent that I am not reliant on an institution, where 749 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,839 Speaker 1: the institution is now my name, so to speak. I'm 750 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 1: in a much more secure and advantageous position. That is 751 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: always what it has been about always for me, since 752 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 1: that was the discovery. And to be candid with you, 753 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 1: starting out was awkward as shit, awkward as shit, both 754 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,279 Speaker 1: in terms of the content sucking additionally just you know, 755 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,839 Speaker 1: getting branding with your face on it, Like that's not that. 756 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: This is why I'm so clear about this, Like what 757 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 1: I do is not journalism. There might be individual practices 758 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 1: that borrow from it or something like that. But if 759 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 1: you're turning the camera on yourself and you're opining all 760 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,799 Speaker 1: the time, and it's not to say that you can't 761 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,360 Speaker 1: produce value, that there's value perhaps in another way, but 762 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 1: it's not journalism in a strict kind of sense. But 763 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 1: it's also much more sustainable for a long term future. 764 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,960 Speaker 1: I don't think that there is much of space for 765 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: actual journalism inside the sport because I think it'll get 766 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 1: you bounced from it pretty quickly. That's not entirely true, 767 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 1: nor is that an abdication, Nor is that reason to abdicate. 768 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 1: I think doing the responsible thing. But to me, the 769 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,520 Speaker 1: lesson I sort of learned here is better to rely 770 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 1: on yourself than others, better to have something in your 771 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: back pocket. Like you know what if you have a 772 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 1: job and it's at a secure institution and then all 773 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: of a sudden, they just changed the nature of your 774 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 1: job and you can't do that kind of stuff anymore. 775 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: And I've said it before, dude, you know Vox Media didn't. 776 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 1: I don't think they ever really wanted me there and 777 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,760 Speaker 1: didn't really know what to do with me. Who who 778 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,359 Speaker 1: knew what I wanted to do me? That's who knew. 779 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,880 Speaker 1: Nobody knew what I wanted better. And I got to 780 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 1: tell you, folks, the instant I started turning the lens 781 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:27,239 Speaker 1: on myself, everything for my career changed. Everything, Everything went 782 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 1: not overnight, but it was absolutely the right play. And 783 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 1: so editing websites can be can be good for the 784 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 1: right person, but it's fucking exhausting. It's twenty four to seven, 785 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,360 Speaker 1: you're always on the go. It just wasn't for me. 786 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,360 Speaker 1: It wasn't for me. And so even though I was 787 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,360 Speaker 1: editor in chief of Bloody Elbow and I had I 788 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,000 Speaker 1: don't know whatever my title was, executive editor or deputy 789 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 1: editor or whatever over at MMA fighting for a time, 790 00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,120 Speaker 1: I realized pretty quickly I thought I wanted to stay 791 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,759 Speaker 1: around and do this for a long time. That the 792 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: focus of my efforts, as sad as this is to say, 793 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,000 Speaker 1: they had to be me. I had to make me 794 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:22,080 Speaker 1: a priority. Why have the UFC been so reluctant to 795 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:26,840 Speaker 1: create an interim women's Bansomway title? How are people supposed 796 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,799 Speaker 1: to care about a division when that belt hasn't been 797 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,400 Speaker 1: defended in two years? And you think creating an interim 798 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:39,640 Speaker 1: women's Bandsomway title is going to fix that? Luke, what 799 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:44,400 Speaker 1: is your level of excitement for Diaz Lawler? Two? Pretty high? 800 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,320 Speaker 1: Pretty high? Actually? You know what? I feel like Robbie 801 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,400 Speaker 1: is probably close to the end of his career, but 802 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:58,799 Speaker 1: he's exactly how close? I'm not so sure. And who 803 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,640 Speaker 1: the fuck knows? What? Nick? Who knows? With Nick? Who 804 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,399 Speaker 1: the hell knows? I don't know, you know, I don't 805 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 1: know what he's gonna look like. My hunch is probably 806 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 1: pretty good, but I don't know that neither to you, 807 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,520 Speaker 1: nobody knows. I tend to think it's probably a bad 808 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 1: matchup for Lawler in the sense that someone who has 809 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,759 Speaker 1: concentrated volume and pressure can I think take him out 810 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,279 Speaker 1: of his game and you would imagine Nick is that guy. 811 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:29,200 Speaker 1: Plus he's got you would think still accurate boxing and 812 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:34,640 Speaker 1: you know, again, high volume, high pace, good at mixing 813 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,000 Speaker 1: it up. Probably still is a pretty good chin. That's 814 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 1: probably a bad matchup for Robbie. But like, how many 815 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:46,160 Speaker 1: questions are there going into this fight? A gazillion A 816 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,680 Speaker 1: gazillion fights are gazillion questions. I'm pretty excited about it. Candidly, 817 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 1: I'm not one of these guys who's like, oh winner 818 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,080 Speaker 1: of this is you know, well it was an extra 819 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,160 Speaker 1: title I mean title shot. Shit is utterly irrelevant to me, 820 00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 1: but it could be interesting. I remember the first time 821 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,080 Speaker 1: they fought, I remember that distinctly, and that was a 822 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,279 Speaker 1: major shocker when he just basically jabbed him and then 823 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,160 Speaker 1: Robbie went face forward. That was a huge upset at 824 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:37,759 Speaker 1: the time. So who yeah, I'm excited. I'm actually pretty excited. Uh, 825 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,839 Speaker 1: there's more questions about like me and Aiel. I'm gonna 826 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 1: skip those. I've kind of been I know that this 827 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,360 Speaker 1: is a good faith question. I don't mean to suggest 828 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 1: it's not. But like, I can't keep I can't keep 829 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 1: doing this, Like I just got to move on. I'm 830 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,480 Speaker 1: gonna read this just because it's funny. Look, being the 831 00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,640 Speaker 1: compassionate man that you are, can you give a shout 832 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,520 Speaker 1: out to your long suffering followers who put up with 833 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 1: BC's lewd and pure I I'll dribble weekend and week out, 834 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,840 Speaker 1: keep up the good word. It's a little strong, I 835 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:15,399 Speaker 1: feel like, Uh, but you know, BC's a good guy 836 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,400 Speaker 1: and he's very talented. Could you make a series documentary 837 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,960 Speaker 1: or TRT gains once you start? Yeah, dude, here's my 838 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,680 Speaker 1: pledge to everybody, if and when I start TRT probably 839 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,440 Speaker 1: more of a function of win than if. But I 840 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,239 Speaker 1: don't have any any current plans. But when I do, 841 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,719 Speaker 1: I will I happily document that for everybody, happily, because 842 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,080 Speaker 1: I've always wanted someone to do that. I know some 843 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:42,920 Speaker 1: folks out there have, of course, but I'm happy to 844 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,680 Speaker 1: do that for others for sure, no doubt about it. 845 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,560 Speaker 1: Who wins the DS lail or rematch? Probably DS? Probably DS? 846 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,120 Speaker 1: But like, what kind of condition is he in? What 847 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,440 Speaker 1: did all those years of inactivity do? I don't know, 848 00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:06,840 Speaker 1: I don't It's going to be interesting to see. Do 849 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,759 Speaker 1: you think proof of vaccination required to enter MSG will 850 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:14,840 Speaker 1: affect ticket sales for UFC two sixty eight. A sizeable 851 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,520 Speaker 1: portion of MMA fans have been and are still anti vacs. 852 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,360 Speaker 1: But with a card this big, will their potential inability 853 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,560 Speaker 1: to go to the event be nullified by a casual 854 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,880 Speaker 1: interest in the card? Or could you see the vaccination 855 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,279 Speaker 1: requirement negatively impacting attendance and gate? I tend to think 856 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,239 Speaker 1: it won't for a couple of reasons. One, as you indicated, 857 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,600 Speaker 1: the card is phenomenal, right, just a just a just 858 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:41,080 Speaker 1: a great card. Very hard to dislike that card Number one, 859 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,440 Speaker 1: number two. They're putting it in a blue state. I 860 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,120 Speaker 1: was there when Trump went to the BMF fight. You 861 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:49,920 Speaker 1: know it was there was a lot of booze. There 862 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,000 Speaker 1: were some cheers as well, but you know it's a 863 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,880 Speaker 1: blue state where you're gonna be drawing from Jersey, blue state, 864 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,000 Speaker 1: upstate New York, which is gonna be, you know, a 865 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,400 Speaker 1: little bit different, but still a blue state Connecticut, I 866 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,759 Speaker 1: think blue state as well. You know, you're dealing with 867 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,880 Speaker 1: that tristate area, that is that leans heavily towards the 868 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,239 Speaker 1: kind of people with ideological plants that have less of 869 00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,680 Speaker 1: a vaccination issue. I think it might motivate some fans 870 00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,759 Speaker 1: to get some The point being is you're putting the 871 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,400 Speaker 1: fight in a place where I think most of the locals, 872 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,080 Speaker 1: if that's what you're pulling from, would be easily able 873 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:26,640 Speaker 1: to meet the demand. And the last thing I would 874 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,759 Speaker 1: say is I tend to think that there probably is 875 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,360 Speaker 1: a strong anti vax sentiment among the fans, but I 876 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,880 Speaker 1: think that that's exaggerated on social media. Like the people 877 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,799 Speaker 1: who are very, very vocal on social media, it is 878 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,279 Speaker 1: not that they are not representative of something, but I 879 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:47,000 Speaker 1: tend to think that we over represent pardon me, what 880 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,840 Speaker 1: the audience actually feels like. I don't want to tell 881 00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,479 Speaker 1: people that like, oh, mma, fans are super pro vax, 882 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,000 Speaker 1: because that ain't true. But given where they're putting the card, 883 00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,400 Speaker 1: given how good the card is, given how some of 884 00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,800 Speaker 1: those requirements might motivate somebody to you know, get the 885 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,040 Speaker 1: Johnson and Johnson shot or whatever the fuck uh, and 886 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:10,480 Speaker 1: that there might be an overrepresentation from a a sizable minority, 887 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,279 Speaker 1: but a minority just the same of fans who are 888 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,520 Speaker 1: very very loud about their anti vax attitudes. I tend 889 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,480 Speaker 1: to think you'll probably get a very strong gate. Now, 890 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,440 Speaker 1: are you gonna match even without those considerations, like imagine 891 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:27,120 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, You're still not gonna get like the Connor gate. 892 00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,520 Speaker 1: You know, you're not gonna get a sixteen million dollar gate. 893 00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,920 Speaker 1: But I think if they do, I don't know, a 894 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,799 Speaker 1: few million, maybe more. I think that would be. And 895 00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:37,680 Speaker 1: do I think they can do. I think they can 896 00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,120 Speaker 1: sell out MSG and have not a record gate, but 897 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,960 Speaker 1: a very healthy gate even with all these requirements. I 898 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,080 Speaker 1: absolutely do, And I think they think that as well. 899 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,480 Speaker 1: Do you think the proof of vaccination required to Oh? Yeah, 900 00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,600 Speaker 1: I or the one the Volkanovsky card, the Jovich card 901 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,239 Speaker 1: on the Usman card are three huge cards coming up. 902 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,880 Speaker 1: Can we get a fight companion for at least one 903 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,560 Speaker 1: of these from U NBC? If not, can we get uh, 904 00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,160 Speaker 1: what if we get you to one hundred k? You 905 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,719 Speaker 1: know what? I'll bring this up with him. I've said 906 00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,680 Speaker 1: this before BC and Ijus. I got like a giant 907 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:22,120 Speaker 1: ass mosquito run on my tattoo. BC and I we 908 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,800 Speaker 1: are in favor of doing one. We are in favor 909 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,239 Speaker 1: of doing one, but the Usman card. Two things. One, 910 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,560 Speaker 1: we're either gonna be at that card or we're gonna 911 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:36,360 Speaker 1: be at the Canelo fight almost certainly number one. The 912 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,719 Speaker 1: Blohovich card, I don't know. The Volkanovsky card we're not 913 00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,759 Speaker 1: going to. So you know, I don't know if it's 914 00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,680 Speaker 1: gonna work out for these three. But what I will 915 00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,239 Speaker 1: tell you is we want to do it. We have 916 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,560 Speaker 1: talked about it, We're interested in doing it. We've just 917 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,719 Speaker 1: not done it yet. I'm gonna see him next week. 918 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,520 Speaker 1: We're gonna be in New Jersey together, we're gonna be 919 00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,279 Speaker 1: in the studio. I'll talk to him about it and 920 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,400 Speaker 1: see what he says, and then we'll come up with 921 00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,680 Speaker 1: a plan. But like, I'm not doing one over zoom 922 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,080 Speaker 1: where he's in Connecticut and I'm here in the fight 923 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,160 Speaker 1: some of the third place, and now I'm not doing 924 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:06,920 Speaker 1: all that. Like if we're in the same place, fine, 925 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,880 Speaker 1: that's fine, but I'm not doing one otherwise, Like in 926 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:21,520 Speaker 1: a different way sucks. You've said in the past that 927 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,279 Speaker 1: we're living in an age of failed institutions. Yes, we are. 928 00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:27,960 Speaker 1: What makes you say that? And how is that we've 929 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,760 Speaker 1: arrived here in your estimation? Well, partly the institutions have failed, 930 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,840 Speaker 1: and partly there is the perception that they cannot be trusted. 931 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,839 Speaker 1: But the two are intertwined. I mean this is quite obvious, right, 932 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:42,239 Speaker 1: Like you know, I would be very very hesitant to 933 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,080 Speaker 1: speak about what's happening with Australia and how they are 934 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:49,440 Speaker 1: handling their various COVID challenges. But my understanding from reading 935 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,680 Speaker 1: Australian what people have to say is that, like, for example, 936 00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,080 Speaker 1: the way they've handled lockdowns there, you could never do 937 00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:00,279 Speaker 1: that here. I don't. I don't think you could. I 938 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,200 Speaker 1: really don't think you could do that here, not in 939 00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:04,920 Speaker 1: the exact way that they've done it. But from what 940 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,480 Speaker 1: I understand is that while many Australians are very very 941 00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,759 Speaker 1: frustrated with it, and again I am only speaking about 942 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,600 Speaker 1: what I have seen. I am not if there's Australians 943 00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,439 Speaker 1: watching this. Please do not misunderstand that I'm like trying 944 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:20,520 Speaker 1: to present myself as some kind of Australian COVID society expert. 945 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,040 Speaker 1: But from what I have seen and read and heard, 946 00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,040 Speaker 1: there is a large amount of frustration about it. At 947 00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,319 Speaker 1: the same time, however, there is much more trust there 948 00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,640 Speaker 1: relative to the United States, among the average citizenry in 949 00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,680 Speaker 1: their government, and so there's a little bit more compliance 950 00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,040 Speaker 1: than you would get here. For example, there is just 951 00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,799 Speaker 1: not that kind of I mean, you can sort of 952 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,719 Speaker 1: just look at the approval ratings of Congress. It's sort 953 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,520 Speaker 1: of in the teens or twenties, something that you might 954 00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,120 Speaker 1: get for a lame duck president, for a failed state 955 00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,640 Speaker 1: in South America. I mean, we were talking about the 956 00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,279 Speaker 1: lowest of the low. If you just look at the institutions, 957 00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,880 Speaker 1: wise or less trust in them, dude, what have they 958 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,320 Speaker 1: done right for a very long long time. Certain parts 959 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,399 Speaker 1: of the basic functions of the government they get right. 960 00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,640 Speaker 1: There are individual pieces of legislation they get correct, certainly, 961 00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,279 Speaker 1: even by partisan or otherwise. But you just sort of 962 00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,160 Speaker 1: look at the Senate, where you can't really pass anything 963 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,919 Speaker 1: other than what can be moved through budget reconciliation because 964 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,680 Speaker 1: the filibuster has been weaponized now by both parties, although 965 00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,520 Speaker 1: initially not that way, but now it's just you know, 966 00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,400 Speaker 1: open season essentially either way, and that body can't function 967 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:25,960 Speaker 1: in the way in which it is supposed to. There 968 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:27,279 Speaker 1: are people who will tell you that as the way 969 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,440 Speaker 1: that it was designed. That is absolutely not true. That 970 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,160 Speaker 1: it is very much a modern invention. It was not 971 00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,880 Speaker 1: designed that way at all, and it doesn't function. It 972 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,840 Speaker 1: doesn't work. You might get policies where you could, for example, 973 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,839 Speaker 1: give tax credits as a way to sort of solve 974 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,279 Speaker 1: a problem because it matches the budget reconciliation requirements, but 975 00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,480 Speaker 1: it's actually a very ineffective or less effective way of 976 00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,120 Speaker 1: achieving that end. If you were not sort of tethered 977 00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,440 Speaker 1: to that kind of style of lawmaking. It's a giant problem. 978 00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:59,520 Speaker 1: You have now distrust in elections, you have the military 979 00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:04,120 Speaker 1: with a twin, your failure to do anything. You know, again, 980 00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,080 Speaker 1: it's not that I think that you know. When people 981 00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,680 Speaker 1: have legitimate, good faith questions about the vaccines, the first 982 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,120 Speaker 1: thing I'll with people, I was like, what do you 983 00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,080 Speaker 1: think about this about vaccine? First thing I always tell 984 00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,680 Speaker 1: folks is talk to your doctor. What does your doctor say. 985 00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:21,600 Speaker 1: I have yet to encounter any medical professional that I 986 00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,000 Speaker 1: have that I have personally asked about getting a COVID 987 00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,600 Speaker 1: vaccine that they have told me anything other than you know, 988 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,600 Speaker 1: run go get it, you will be just fine. And 989 00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,160 Speaker 1: I had one day of fatigue, and you know, here 990 00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,239 Speaker 1: we are. But there is a deep distrust in the 991 00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,839 Speaker 1: amount of of medicine, of modern medicine. And again these 992 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,759 Speaker 1: are not altogether misplaced. Like you look at the way 993 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:48,640 Speaker 1: which Big Pharma is certainly benefiting from the COVID vaccine 994 00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,359 Speaker 1: as well. I mean, there could be no denying there's 995 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,799 Speaker 1: an incredible profit motive there. And you know, and the 996 00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,719 Speaker 1: way in which this is the other part too. It's 997 00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,880 Speaker 1: not just about the institutions, but it's about the people 998 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:03,680 Speaker 1: behind them, Like the elite of society, you know, they 999 00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,640 Speaker 1: just don't suffer the same consequences for malfeasans that the 1000 00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,160 Speaker 1: average person does, even on a relatively sliding scale where 1001 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,640 Speaker 1: they don't have the exact same infringements. But you know, 1002 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,319 Speaker 1: we live in a culture that doesn't really punish the 1003 00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,760 Speaker 1: powerful and over punishes the weak. And people see it. 1004 00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,520 Speaker 1: People see it, and they have grown weary of it. 1005 00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,800 Speaker 1: They have grown weary of a failed Wall Street, they 1006 00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,160 Speaker 1: have grown weary of endless wars. They have grown weary 1007 00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,080 Speaker 1: of government that does nothing to address their issues. While 1008 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,480 Speaker 1: schools crumble and bridges fall apart, and homeless people set 1009 00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,560 Speaker 1: up tent encampments in major cities, and on and on 1010 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,000 Speaker 1: and on and on and on, like this just keeps going. 1011 00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,400 Speaker 1: You know, it is frustrating for me to see remnants 1012 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,720 Speaker 1: of these institutions that I do think still function quite 1013 00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,960 Speaker 1: well in certain ways, and that is rejected wholesale. But like, 1014 00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:54,320 Speaker 1: do I understand why people have questions about about trusting 1015 00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:58,280 Speaker 1: institutions in this and expertise in this modern world. No, 1016 00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,440 Speaker 1: not not even a little bit, not even a little bit. 1017 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,280 Speaker 1: And even this whole thing with ivermectin, like I said, 1018 00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,680 Speaker 1: either last week or two weeks ago, like obviously, like 1019 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,680 Speaker 1: what the fuck do I know about toxicology? I know 1020 00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:14,560 Speaker 1: nothing about this. The prevailing evidence, as I understand it, 1021 00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,160 Speaker 1: says this is an anti malarial drug when it's administered 1022 00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,280 Speaker 1: for humans, quite effective in that way. But you know, 1023 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,480 Speaker 1: there's no existing evidence that has been fully peer reviewed 1024 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,800 Speaker 1: and fully study that suggests it's good for COVID. But 1025 00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,400 Speaker 1: you know, a couple of things have happened around this 1026 00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,920 Speaker 1: which I can understand, Like these constant things about calling 1027 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,800 Speaker 1: it horsety warmer obviously does have a veterinary effect, are 1028 00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:40,040 Speaker 1: very veterinary version. But it is true as well that 1029 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,800 Speaker 1: ivermectin has been used as an anti malarial or anti 1030 00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:48,720 Speaker 1: parasitic drug in humans and safely for many, many years, 1031 00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,400 Speaker 1: And this is sort of ignored. But more to the points, like, dude, 1032 00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,200 Speaker 1: why do you think i remectin is popular? It is 1033 00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:57,560 Speaker 1: because there's deep distrust of the institutions behind the creation 1034 00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,880 Speaker 1: of vaccines. And I'm not here to just to every 1035 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:06,840 Speaker 1: paranoid Facebook group idea that goes out there. But I understand. 1036 00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,880 Speaker 1: I understand that. I totally understand that. I think it's 1037 00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,360 Speaker 1: misplaced skepticism when it gets to the part about the vaccines. 1038 00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,880 Speaker 1: You guys know, I'm pretty pro vacs, But like, am 1039 00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,320 Speaker 1: I in any way surprised that ivermectin has taken off? Dude, 1040 00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:23,120 Speaker 1: I've remectin has taken off because uh, institutions and experts 1041 00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,040 Speaker 1: that people don't trust say it's no good. They're like, aha, 1042 00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,720 Speaker 1: it must be good. I actually don't think there's a 1043 00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,320 Speaker 1: lot of evidence that will I mean, we'll see, I 1044 00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,360 Speaker 1: don't know. My hunch is that we will probably come 1045 00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,240 Speaker 1: back and say is that it has a mile to 1046 00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:41,320 Speaker 1: negligible impact, not much, and that you know, for treating 1047 00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,120 Speaker 1: in COVID. There's probably other ways to go, montcloy antibodies 1048 00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:50,160 Speaker 1: and everything else, or preventively with vaccines. But but like 1049 00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:56,200 Speaker 1: the urge to go that direction is I get it. 1050 00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,080 Speaker 1: I get it. I get it, I really get it totally. 1051 00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,920 Speaker 1: I don't support it, but I get it. Uh, And 1052 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,000 Speaker 1: this is this is bad. This is all very very bad. 1053 01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:14,840 Speaker 1: When you know when you can't rely on the when 1054 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,440 Speaker 1: you can't rely on the entities that make life functionable, 1055 01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,480 Speaker 1: and not only that, when you feel like, without with 1056 01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,200 Speaker 1: good reason, that depending on your situation, that they have 1057 01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,680 Speaker 1: prevented you from getting ahead, that they have never looked 1058 01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:38,800 Speaker 1: out for you, that they have totally abdicated their responsibility. 1059 01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:43,600 Speaker 1: You know where do you think that leads? You know, 1060 01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,840 Speaker 1: this is for any elected official, like if you want 1061 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:51,160 Speaker 1: more people. This is probably simplistic analysis. I'm sure that 1062 01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,360 Speaker 1: it is. But you know, I read an article a 1063 01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,640 Speaker 1: long time ago by a guy who tried to battle 1064 01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,640 Speaker 1: Chavismo in Venezuela before the ship really collapsed, and what 1065 01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,920 Speaker 1: he was saying was, Dude, you can't go to Chaves 1066 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,160 Speaker 1: supporters and then talk them out of like liking him. 1067 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,040 Speaker 1: Doesn't it doesn't It just you're not You're never going 1068 01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,560 Speaker 1: to get it doesn't work that way. He had such 1069 01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:16,080 Speaker 1: a command over them that and he had done things 1070 01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,640 Speaker 1: to address poverty at least early at least I should 1071 01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:24,400 Speaker 1: say inequality. Uh in Venezuela that the elites there never 1072 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:28,200 Speaker 1: did you know, And so you just couldn't go and 1073 01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,800 Speaker 1: talk to the supporters there and get them to turn 1074 01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,520 Speaker 1: on jobs. But the way you could get them to 1075 01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,880 Speaker 1: move away from various elements of it was to have 1076 01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:42,440 Speaker 1: dot dot dot competent government. Government that collected the trash 1077 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,400 Speaker 1: on time, government that passed laws that addressed their needs. 1078 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,760 Speaker 1: Government that looked into meaningful and effective like actual shit 1079 01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,560 Speaker 1: that worked, police reform that worked into fair laws of 1080 01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:59,360 Speaker 1: taxation that looked into city maintenance, that that addressed real 1081 01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,760 Speaker 1: problems with homelmost like, the way you fixed it was 1082 01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:08,320 Speaker 1: to have the government that worked. That was it. You 1083 01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,640 Speaker 1: couldn't go and say Chavez is bad. They didn't give 1084 01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,480 Speaker 1: a shit about that. You actually had to do the 1085 01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:17,960 Speaker 1: job of the government, which is why you know, I 1086 01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:24,000 Speaker 1: sort of Biden is whatever. But what he's up against 1087 01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:25,840 Speaker 1: and what he has sort of platformed on was sort 1088 01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,080 Speaker 1: of bringing COVID under control, which is not where we are. 1089 01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:29,560 Speaker 1: And you could say, like, well, it's not his fault 1090 01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,840 Speaker 1: that there's so much anti vac sentiment. Well, to an extent, 1091 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,320 Speaker 1: that's true, right, he didn't create all of it. He 1092 01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,960 Speaker 1: inherited a situation where there was a lot of that 1093 01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:48,320 Speaker 1: to overcome. But he is inheriting a world that, year 1094 01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:54,840 Speaker 1: after year, decade after decade, quite frankly, that has failed 1095 01:02:55,080 --> 01:03:01,680 Speaker 1: big portions of the electorate, and fixing that overnight is 1096 01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,320 Speaker 1: not going to be easy. But the only way to 1097 01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,680 Speaker 1: do it, the only way to win them back is 1098 01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:11,760 Speaker 1: to meaningfully address their issues in life. That's it. That's it, bro, 1099 01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,480 Speaker 1: It's as simple as that. Man, You have to actually 1100 01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,760 Speaker 1: effectively govern, which is why when you go back to 1101 01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,000 Speaker 1: some of the like the at least from the federal standpoint, 1102 01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,160 Speaker 1: some of the challenges with the with the Senate and 1103 01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:25,520 Speaker 1: other procedures that happen, and executive overreach and whatnot, it's 1104 01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:29,600 Speaker 1: a fucking problem. It's a major, major, major, major, major problem. 1105 01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,360 Speaker 1: It is not that every institution has collapsed. It is 1106 01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,160 Speaker 1: that many have failed to do their job, and therefore 1107 01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:38,280 Speaker 1: trust in them has collapsed, which makes the job of 1108 01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:42,880 Speaker 1: the things they still can do right even more difficult. 1109 01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,200 Speaker 1: What you think about Kabebe's comments about ring girls. Don't 1110 01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:55,240 Speaker 1: give a shit. Look, can we do a thing where 1111 01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,080 Speaker 1: the longer the questions and will of death, the shorter 1112 01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:02,160 Speaker 1: your answer. I love that idea, dude, that was painful yesterday. 1113 01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,520 Speaker 1: I love that idea. I'm gonna tell Brian about that. 1114 01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:10,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell him about that. That's a great idea, Luke. 1115 01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,880 Speaker 1: Why are belator events so undermarketed and promoted? I have 1116 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,920 Speaker 1: wondered the same exact thing. I became aware of Ramera 1117 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,960 Speaker 1: fighting this weekend only after watching them ka this week. 1118 01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,200 Speaker 1: Other MMA outlets didn't even mention it about it on 1119 01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,800 Speaker 1: their socials. Let's go and take a look if we can, 1120 01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:31,400 Speaker 1: Like you know what, I'm gonna do it on my 1121 01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,600 Speaker 1: phone because sometimes old on my computer. I don't want 1122 01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:39,680 Speaker 1: to see it. Let's look at something. What if we 1123 01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:45,200 Speaker 1: went to the y'all like my I mean, I got 1124 01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:49,680 Speaker 1: the best fucking phone cover on earth. I don't give 1125 01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:54,200 Speaker 1: a shit. Brian Shaw probably won't like it, but I mean, 1126 01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:57,400 Speaker 1: how do you not? I mean, this is just it's 1127 01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,400 Speaker 1: just it's just a winner. It's just a born winner, 1128 01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:06,200 Speaker 1: all right. So if we put in Bellatore, mma into YouTube. 1129 01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:13,560 Speaker 1: What do we have there for this week? So? What 1130 01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:20,680 Speaker 1: day is it? Today? Went Thursday? Right, So starting this 1131 01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,760 Speaker 1: week they have a Bellatour two sixty six Davis versus 1132 01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:29,000 Speaker 1: Uel Romero thirty one second teaser trailer. Okay, Then they 1133 01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,240 Speaker 1: have one on best debuts in Belatar history, but that 1134 01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,920 Speaker 1: doesn't have anything to do with this week. Then they 1135 01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,440 Speaker 1: have one that came out yesterday top five opponents for 1136 01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:42,960 Speaker 1: Uel Romero, and then that's it. Listen, Bellatore is a 1137 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:48,520 Speaker 1: smaller operation, so you know, you have to kind of 1138 01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:54,600 Speaker 1: accept that reality a little bit. But there's just not 1139 01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:58,040 Speaker 1: a lot of content that starts early, uh in the 1140 01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,680 Speaker 1: week that I'm aware of that gets the ball rolling, 1141 01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:05,120 Speaker 1: that gets people juggling, Like, no one came to me. 1142 01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:07,760 Speaker 1: Maybe they came to Brian, I don't know, but no 1143 01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:09,480 Speaker 1: one came to me and offered me a U Well 1144 01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:13,040 Speaker 1: Romero interview. I don't think they came to Brian either. 1145 01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:14,960 Speaker 1: I could be wrong about that, but I didn't get 1146 01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,360 Speaker 1: I didn't get an offer for it. I think I 1147 01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,720 Speaker 1: haven't texted Mochikawa like, do what's up with all this? 1148 01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:25,360 Speaker 1: He didn't know. I just don't feel like there's I 1149 01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,520 Speaker 1: don't I don't know if it's an operational issue relative 1150 01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:31,040 Speaker 1: to manpower or something else, but there's just not a 1151 01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:34,440 Speaker 1: lot of content created in a time sensitive way to 1152 01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:38,280 Speaker 1: promote their interests. And I on the back end, you know, 1153 01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,360 Speaker 1: I work for CBS Sports. Like, if they're not offering 1154 01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,080 Speaker 1: me interviews, who are they offering interviews to? You know 1155 01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:47,400 Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, so I don't I don't work 1156 01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:51,160 Speaker 1: for Belator. I don't work at Belator. I'm a little bit. 1157 01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:53,760 Speaker 1: I tend to think that they're probably undermanned is a 1158 01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:57,360 Speaker 1: big part of it. But you know you're asking me, 1159 01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,400 Speaker 1: could have could they be doing a better job to 1160 01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,920 Speaker 1: get the work out about their events? Yeah? Yeah, they 1161 01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:08,040 Speaker 1: could they I don't. I find it is equally surprising 1162 01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:17,800 Speaker 1: as you Frankly and Danna White's we all know Anthony 1163 01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:19,240 Speaker 1: Smith is one of your boys. I mean we're not 1164 01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,800 Speaker 1: friends or anything, but like, I have a huge amount 1165 01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,280 Speaker 1: of respect for him. Same here. Why do you think 1166 01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:28,240 Speaker 1: he's so overlooked or in my opinion, this person rights disrespected. 1167 01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:30,520 Speaker 1: He's one of my favorite fighters to bet on because 1168 01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:32,680 Speaker 1: odds makers never give him respect. Why do you think 1169 01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,600 Speaker 1: that is? I think don't think Uh yeah, he's barely 1170 01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:38,520 Speaker 1: favored over Span. Well Span is dangerous. I mean I 1171 01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,360 Speaker 1: did some tape study on him. You know, he's a 1172 01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,360 Speaker 1: little bit he's got his own issues. Like no fighter 1173 01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,280 Speaker 1: is perfect, but he's dangerous. He has a long reach, 1174 01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:50,280 Speaker 1: he's powerful, very good left hook, he's got good second 1175 01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:54,520 Speaker 1: order takedown defence. He's fought good guys. He's got very 1176 01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:58,400 Speaker 1: good finishing ability. I think early in fights he makes 1177 01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:02,040 Speaker 1: good decisions. That intends to be a challenge as it 1178 01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:05,040 Speaker 1: goes along, but you know he's he's well well well trained, 1179 01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,320 Speaker 1: with safe sud out of Fortsimi, man, like, dude, he's 1180 01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:09,120 Speaker 1: a good fighter. I mean I can understand that to 1181 01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:12,400 Speaker 1: a degree. But with Smith, it's weird. Man, It's like, dude, 1182 01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,400 Speaker 1: I get it if you were doing it, like in 1183 01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,600 Speaker 1: the Strikeforce version of Anthony Smith, where you know, he 1184 01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,840 Speaker 1: was still very much a product of the regional scene 1185 01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,720 Speaker 1: he had barely graduated from. That's just not who he 1186 01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:27,360 Speaker 1: is now, you know. And he's had some losses. Fine, 1187 01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:31,799 Speaker 1: but he lost to Jones, he lost to Alexander Rakich. 1188 01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:35,599 Speaker 1: I think Rakich is probably a future champion. He lost 1189 01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,080 Speaker 1: to Glover Tshera who got a tat a shot against 1190 01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,760 Speaker 1: John and then, however many year was it seven years later, 1191 01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:44,160 Speaker 1: worked his way up to another one. Like, dude, he's 1192 01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,719 Speaker 1: not losing to bitches out here, he's losing to very 1193 01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:50,519 Speaker 1: very good fighters. In rak Rakitch won pretty cleanly, but 1194 01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,960 Speaker 1: it wasn't like a super dominating thing. It was just 1195 01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:54,880 Speaker 1: that I think there was a strength difference. There was 1196 01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:58,559 Speaker 1: a wrestling difference. But dude Smith has excellent jiu jitsu, 1197 01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:02,120 Speaker 1: He has a great jazz. He is as durable as 1198 01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:05,240 Speaker 1: they come, you know, handing the referee your teeth. I 1199 01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:09,040 Speaker 1: don't think, for whatever reason that the newer victories there's 1200 01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,040 Speaker 1: still this thing like, oh, he's still the guy from 1201 01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:14,240 Speaker 1: Strikeforce who was sort of like the regional brawler or something. 1202 01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,519 Speaker 1: That's just not reality. It's just not at all what 1203 01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:19,240 Speaker 1: you're dealing with here. And that's not to say Span 1204 01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:21,280 Speaker 1: couldn't win again. The odds are kind of close. Dude, 1205 01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:25,240 Speaker 1: SPAN's dangerous, like he's very, very dangerous. But the level 1206 01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:29,360 Speaker 1: of respect that Smith gets for his abilities relative to 1207 01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:33,559 Speaker 1: his accomplishments, I just don't think is there. And I 1208 01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:40,160 Speaker 1: think it's because the skeptics have tried to you'd have 1209 01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:43,479 Speaker 1: to ask them, but they've not been converted with the winds. 1210 01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:46,240 Speaker 1: They found a reason in each of the winds to 1211 01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:48,360 Speaker 1: be like, well, Showgun was pasted it, and Rashada was 1212 01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:53,040 Speaker 1: pasted it, and so was gust of Sin and you know, 1213 01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:55,960 Speaker 1: maybe he got kind of lucky against the tired uz 1214 01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,000 Speaker 1: Demir or whatever else they want to say to me. 1215 01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,200 Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, the two ones I'll give you that 1216 01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,400 Speaker 1: were not as indicative of what they should have been 1217 01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:05,559 Speaker 1: were probably certainly they were shod one less so Schogun one, 1218 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,519 Speaker 1: but even then, but the uzdamir Win is clean. And 1219 01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,280 Speaker 1: the gust of sen Win that was the one that 1220 01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:13,000 Speaker 1: sent him packing, that was clean as far as I'm concerned. 1221 01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:19,759 Speaker 1: And you know, the last two he's put together were great, 1222 01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,920 Speaker 1: Like Jimmy Krut was fucked up from what happened, and 1223 01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:26,880 Speaker 1: who was the last one, Devin Clark. That triangle that 1224 01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,080 Speaker 1: he had on Devin Clark was textbook. In fact, they 1225 01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,439 Speaker 1: got a mutual opponent in Devin Clark. And you know, 1226 01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:33,240 Speaker 1: you don't want to play too much mma math. But 1227 01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:35,519 Speaker 1: Smith went right through him like a freight train. I mean, 1228 01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:39,840 Speaker 1: I see it, you know, I mean, this is not 1229 01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:41,840 Speaker 1: something like I'm the expert. I don't think that's really 1230 01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,839 Speaker 1: the case. But like I I've looked at the tape. 1231 01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,479 Speaker 1: I didn't know Anthony before, Like I don't, we don't, 1232 01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:51,200 Speaker 1: we don't barbecue together and shit. But if I watch 1233 01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:52,559 Speaker 1: enough tape on a guy and I'm like, hey, it's 1234 01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:55,479 Speaker 1: fucking good, I tend to want to see more of them. 1235 01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,439 Speaker 1: For some reason, some of my peers just haven't gotten 1236 01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:03,799 Speaker 1: the memo on that. I don't. I don't. I get it. 1237 01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:05,360 Speaker 1: It is hard, though. Last thing I'll say is it 1238 01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:12,360 Speaker 1: is hard to undo early impressions. And the other thing 1239 01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:15,400 Speaker 1: he kind of got screwed on was he went up 1240 01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:20,960 Speaker 1: to light heavyweight, and you know, there was a sense about, oh, 1241 01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,200 Speaker 1: the division had shifted, and he took advantage on like 1242 01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:25,519 Speaker 1: a relative scale of the division being what it is, 1243 01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:29,839 Speaker 1: rather than you know, accomplishing things you know, forthrightly and fairly. 1244 01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:33,800 Speaker 1: But like there is some truth to that. It's a 1245 01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:35,959 Speaker 1: little bit of like the change of the division itself, 1246 01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:40,120 Speaker 1: but just also what he shows on tape, Dude, it's good. 1247 01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:41,519 Speaker 1: Like go back and look at that Crew fight and 1248 01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,439 Speaker 1: look at his jab, and then go back to the 1249 01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,800 Speaker 1: Devin Clark fight and look at his triangle. Dude, he's formidable. 1250 01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:49,920 Speaker 1: He's formidable. He's very, very, very formidable, and he's smart. 1251 01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:53,519 Speaker 1: You know, is he is he Anderson Silva? Well, no 1252 01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:58,360 Speaker 1: is I Anderson Silva. But so what We'll do a 1253 01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:11,920 Speaker 1: few more of these, couple more of these. So I 1254 01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:13,599 Speaker 1: was asking me if I'm worried about or not, if 1255 01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,679 Speaker 1: I'm worried about, But like putting out all the YouTube channels, 1256 01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:18,960 Speaker 1: we're talking head of production value. I think it's a 1257 01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:20,240 Speaker 1: good thing that on the platform and have all these 1258 01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:24,360 Speaker 1: new channels popping up from established MMA figures or will 1259 01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,320 Speaker 1: potentially dilute the quality of the content that already exists, 1260 01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:28,920 Speaker 1: which is put out by those creators who put the 1261 01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,280 Speaker 1: work in over time. I'm not really worried about it. 1262 01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:32,760 Speaker 1: I think the things I had, the stuff I have 1263 01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,479 Speaker 1: planned for my channel is pretty separate from all of that. 1264 01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,599 Speaker 1: You know they're going to do well because a style 1265 01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:44,240 Speaker 1: bender is smart, Michael bisp Being is smart. You know, 1266 01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:49,360 Speaker 1: they can afford some good help for production value and whatever. 1267 01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:52,760 Speaker 1: But like, and you know their celebrity is going to 1268 01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:54,439 Speaker 1: help too. It's just a reality. It is going to help. 1269 01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:58,559 Speaker 1: But in the end, I'm not really worried about them 1270 01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:02,120 Speaker 1: taking anything from me personally, I'm not. In fact, it 1271 01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:04,000 Speaker 1: just lights a fire onto me to do things that 1272 01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:08,040 Speaker 1: like my own way, I don't. I don't make content 1273 01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,800 Speaker 1: for everybody, you know, That's not what I do. I 1274 01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:15,160 Speaker 1: make content for a certain kind of person, and I'm 1275 01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:18,000 Speaker 1: not really worried that. In fact, I think the person's up. 1276 01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:19,880 Speaker 1: People that like some of the content that I make, 1277 01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:23,000 Speaker 1: they might like what the other ones out there are are. Again, 1278 01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:24,640 Speaker 1: I think stall Benders is very interesting, but he's got 1279 01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:26,439 Speaker 1: his own production flair. It's gonna work for some people. 1280 01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:29,639 Speaker 1: It's not gonna work for some others. And Michael Bisping's 1281 01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:31,840 Speaker 1: same thing, you know, like these sort of talking head things. 1282 01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:33,880 Speaker 1: How much of that can you do? The other part, too, 1283 01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:35,600 Speaker 1: is like they want to have their own access to 1284 01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:39,240 Speaker 1: their audience, like this was inevitable. It was inevitable that 1285 01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,639 Speaker 1: they were going to get into this space. I think 1286 01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:43,559 Speaker 1: some people will like what they see, they won't. They'll 1287 01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,600 Speaker 1: make they'll tune in, they'll tune out. I'm really not 1288 01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:54,519 Speaker 1: too worried. Can we say it's safe to assume that 1289 01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:58,720 Speaker 1: Triller isn't coming after streamers with some revolutionary IP tracking technology, 1290 01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:01,320 Speaker 1: given the fact that all the fighters are suing them, 1291 01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:04,120 Speaker 1: in the financial mess they are in. Yeah, I wouldn't worry. 1292 01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:08,639 Speaker 1: I'm not here recommending piracy, but like you know, if 1293 01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:11,120 Speaker 1: you did, are they gonna come knocking on your door 1294 01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:28,280 Speaker 1: with the piracy police? Now? I think you're probably all right. 1295 01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:32,200 Speaker 1: Let's see is there anything else here? I'll do one 1296 01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:39,080 Speaker 1: more at which weight division jump does age play the 1297 01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:42,360 Speaker 1: biggest factor in whether or not you'll succeed? Is it 1298 01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:46,719 Speaker 1: simply linear? It's never gonna be direct, it's never gonna 1299 01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:54,400 Speaker 1: be geometric. But I would say where age really starts 1300 01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:58,360 Speaker 1: to matter. One five is where you begin to see 1301 01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:03,280 Speaker 1: it matter, although there's still pretty lenient. One to seventy 1302 01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:06,479 Speaker 1: is where it really matters. And then obviously at one 1303 01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:11,639 Speaker 1: fifty five and down it becomes almost a necessary condition 1304 01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,160 Speaker 1: for success. But it's right at one eighty five or 1305 01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:19,719 Speaker 1: that really begins to turn, well, starts to turn. Seventy 1306 01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:21,439 Speaker 1: is a big turn, and after one fifty five and down, 1307 01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,439 Speaker 1: forget it. It's hard. It's gonna be almost impossible to 1308 01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,800 Speaker 1: win a UFC title at like thirty seven at one 1309 01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,479 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty five pounds, it can be done. That 1310 01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:34,040 Speaker 1: will be difficult. All right, let's bring this back up 1311 01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:38,160 Speaker 1: here we go subscribe, Yes, thumbs up on the video. 1312 01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:43,760 Speaker 1: Everything on this live chat. Next week. So one week 1313 01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,960 Speaker 1: from today, I will have an announcement about the future 1314 01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:50,559 Speaker 1: of this podcast. Yes, it's continuing and it's not going away, 1315 01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:53,920 Speaker 1: nothing like that. But there will be some changes and 1316 01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,760 Speaker 1: there are gonna be some big ones and you might 1317 01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:00,840 Speaker 1: want to tune in for that. So next week, big 1318 01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:04,240 Speaker 1: announcement on this live chat. Stick around for it. Okay, 1319 01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:07,160 Speaker 1: all right, I appreciate you guys, thank you so much 1320 01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:13,920 Speaker 1: for watching, and until next time, stay Frosty. If I 1321 01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:17,120 Speaker 1: can bring this up, thank you. There we go.