1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: Woo, Hello and welcome to Wag and Jake myself, Jake's Story, 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: Ellie Big Baby David Mendelssohn on Thursday, August fifteenth, Apologies, 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: got a little sick yesterday and trying to save it 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: up because we have a huge weekend. We're going to 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: Fanatics Fest. I'm pretty sure we're doing a live live 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: show on the stage from two to four before US. 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: I mean, this is Flex time Slash what happened time 8 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: Dana White UFC. I think is before us and after 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: US I believe is Tom Brady, Lil Wayne somewhat and Jay. 10 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: I think Brunson and Hearten. 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. I had been told Brunson and heart just got 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: me and Maddy Mass cooking. 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: Them right, I bet so. I midday yesterday I just 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: started feeling it, whatever it was, whether Nashville tired, sick, 15 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,319 Speaker 1: whatever it was, went home, rested up a little bit, 16 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: did talking next Last night different, and I still feel 17 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: a little bit little DayQuil this morning. But I'm here 18 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: for the people. I'm not gonna miss up too, so 19 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: it's a dayly. I appreciate you guys. We did have 20 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: some rule change discussion. It's been one of the fun 21 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: starting pitcher ones, and we got some more deats around it, 22 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: so I want to dive into that because that's what 23 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: the people love. And then I think a fun exercise. 24 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: We did power rankings on Talking Baseball. If you haven't 25 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: listened to them, go check them out, although I will 26 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: be revealing some thoughts on them, but I want to 27 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: go through the comments because I want to show there's 28 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: a couple comments that I was like, damn, we do 29 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: need to appreciate that more. There's a couple funny mean 30 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: ones if I'm being for real, And then I think 31 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: there were arguments on both sides for both teams that 32 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: I want to go through a few of those. But 33 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: let's start out with kind of the news from the 34 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: baseball world, and we know it's something they've been tinkering with, 35 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: the six inning minimum starting pitcher rule come to major 36 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: League Baseball. If you have no idea what I'm talking about, 37 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: you know there are theories, and I think I partially 38 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: agree with the theories that part of the reason baseball games, 39 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: from a discussion standpoint, have lost a little bit of 40 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: their luster is the lack of the starting pitcher that 41 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: used to be old timey baseball who's starting today? Or 42 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: what if I told you there was a playoff game 43 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: and it was Garrett Cole versus Justin Verlander. Like that 44 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: gets some juice going in you. I mean, even like, 45 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: like even without starting pitching quite being what it had 46 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: been even growing up for us, like, it's still among 47 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: the first questions that come up when you're saying, like, 48 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: let's go to the game today. That was I had 49 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: a friend tell me they were going to the Orioles 50 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: Red Sox game today, and my initial knee jerk reaction 51 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: was pitching. I didn't even ask because they're not like 52 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: dialed baseball wise that I was like, okay, this is 53 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: a bad question. Uh, And then I looked it up 54 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: Paveta Paveta Eflyn, which okay, that's cool to baseball losers 55 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: like us subscribe to the channel everyone, thank you. But yeah, 56 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: there's something to the beauty of the starting pitcher. I 57 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: do think with some of the rules we've already reverted 58 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: back just a little bit, starting pitchers are going longer. Like, yes, 59 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: there was a couple of years that you know, we 60 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: third time through the order used to end a starting 61 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: pitcher's day. You don't see that anymore. I think it 62 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: was because there was wear and tear on bullpens. I think, 63 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think teams a teams that still 64 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: had a guy that could do it or two guys 65 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: that could do it were it was like obvious benefits. 66 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: You're you're just getting more innings in there easier, and 67 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: if you're a starting pitcher, you're kind of better unless 68 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: you're a manual class a. Uh that. Yeah, the baseball 69 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: has a way of bouncing back. That was the whole 70 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: thing with the shift. They said for years that hey, 71 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: baseball's going to adjust, we'll beat the shift, and then 72 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: they did it. So the Commissioner's office came in and 73 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: the infield shift. I'm ready for more bands on the shift. 74 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: I'm about it. I've said it on here before. Give 75 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: me the normal alignment when you picture players on the field. 76 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,799 Speaker 1: That's going to bring more athletic defensive players back into play. 77 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: I want more doubles. Doubles are electric. Anyways, for another time. 78 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, he can talk, we can talk shifts all day, 79 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 2: but it's not the rule topic of the current. 80 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I think I'm currently in the semi minority 81 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: on that. I think people are even where we're at 82 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: with the shift rules are better, So like, I'm not 83 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: slamming the table on that. 84 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 2: I'm fine with opening the samples size on what we've 85 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: the rules we've got right now. 86 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: Some of the outfield shifts still pretty crazy. Some of 87 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: the infield shifts still pretty crazy. Anyways, they jumped in 88 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: on that and it's been successful for baseball. They also 89 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: jumped in on the pitch clock, which has been one 90 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: of Baseball's bigger wins in recent years. So I know, 91 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: you know there's some Lol Manfred people out there. I mean, 92 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: we had a lockout, and anyone just wants to target 93 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: a commissioner. But if they hit big on another rule, 94 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: like Rob Manfred, like every commissioner, Waltz is into the 95 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. But Rob Manfred's gonna be pitch clock, 96 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: save the game a little bit, shift save the game 97 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: a little bit that I think they're going to go 98 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: for another one, and why not. They've kind of been 99 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: doing well with it. So this is the sixth inning 100 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: double hook. Joe's McFly that they want starting pitchers to 101 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: go six innings and if you pull your starting pitcher 102 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: before that, you would lose your DH. So a couple 103 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: interesting things about it, And there are other parts of 104 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: the rule that I found out today. If they throw 105 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: one hundred pitches, they're eligible to be pulled, which that 106 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: would be really interesting if there's funny business involved. You 107 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: could have pictures throwing tensional balls to get to one hundred. 108 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess that's pretty deep cut into it. 109 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: If they give up four or more in runs, which 110 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: I don't know, that feels a little light just early. 111 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 2: On when when we read it, it felt like in 112 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 2: my head like might need to be that fifth run. 113 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 2: But if we want to start at four unlocks it, 114 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: I'm I can be open. 115 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: To that, open to the concept. I don't know, something 116 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: with five point one innings four and runs like that 117 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: feels like a normal start, or if they get injured obviously, 118 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: So I think if your starter makes it to the 119 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: sixth inning, your DH would be good. If it doesn't, 120 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: you lose it for the game. And you're starting to 121 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: get into pinch hitting and stuff like that, so there's 122 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: some perks on that side. You'd probably have a deeper 123 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: pinch hitting bench or that would be the goal, So 124 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: you could use that, Like. 125 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 2: On the players Union end of things, it would probably 126 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: be on average like one more or like paid like veteran. 127 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,239 Speaker 2: It'd be a job lot a player for every team. 128 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: You'd want an extra guy that you trust. 129 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: It'd be a job. So the players would probably like that. 130 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: They think it would lead to less injuries because they 131 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: think people would people are gonna try throwing less hard. 132 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: So I don't I don't believe in that. I think 133 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: the thought is that pictures would just be built up 134 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: more in the minors. Like if you're going to be 135 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: a starting pitcher at this level, you need to be 136 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: built up to go six innings. 137 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: A lot of what like the development's going to be 138 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 2: is making sure you can be expected to go six man. 139 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: That's really interesting if you call up a young pitcher, 140 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: because young pitcher expectations the bar is very low. A 141 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: rookie pitcher throws five point one three earned runs and 142 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: you're like, look at this rook okay, So that's interesting 143 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: for calling up young pictures. 144 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 2: And the But like having the certain threshold's in there, 145 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 2: like like go, it opens it up right for those 146 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 2: young pitchers to still be like, yeah, it's hard. One 147 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: hundred pitchers doesn't get you as far when you're real young. 148 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: I guess and that's probably where they got their math 149 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: between four runs and one hundred pitches. Like you, you're 150 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: gonna end up in a neighborhood. As long as you're 151 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: built up like you. 152 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: You don't have to force a guy to really air 153 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 2: it out. 154 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: They interviewed Dinonbacks GM America's GM. That's not true. You 155 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: know who that is, The Dinebacks GM, Mike Hazen, and 156 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: they said that they would push command over stuff for 157 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: their prospects. I don't know if I believe that. Uh 158 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: he said they they try to teach some more pitching 159 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: to contact stuff. I guess I do believe that. And 160 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: we've I think we've already seen teams do this, like 161 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: we've there's Garrett Cole starts that you see him pitching 162 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: to contact. 163 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 2: Like like during Rodn's like good like first ten starts 164 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 2: of this year, like you could look at like the 165 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 2: runners on runners off, like you ast majority of his 166 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 2: strikeouts were coming or the best plurality at least we're 167 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: coming when runners were on base and the contact had 168 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 2: more risk there, like they there's guys having that approach. 169 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: Well, and there's I think it's it's what baseball would 170 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: love to figure out, cause there's another quote in here 171 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: that max Velo's out of the bottle, it's never coming back. 172 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: I agree with that, Like, that's that's how guys are competitive. Uh, 173 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: we were laughing. I was facetiming with Joe's and his 174 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: buddy Jamal the other day and we were laughing about 175 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: being old. And when you're young, people tell you like, oh, 176 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: just wait till your body starts getting old. Those hamstrings 177 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: are gonna get tight your back, your knees, and you're 178 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: sitting there and when you hear that, you're like, I'm 179 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: sure you and a couple I know a couple other 180 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: old guys, but like, I'm gonna be good that one 181 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: local umpire who's fifty five and still outsprints the kids 182 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: to first base. You're like, I'm gonna be that guy. 183 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: And maybe I will be that guy. Uh, I'm not 184 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: sure I was going with that, just that Velo's out 185 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 1: and these kids are competitive. Every pitcher throwing thinks that 186 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 1: their arm is the super arm. They think they're gonna 187 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: be the one that doesn't need Tommy John or they've 188 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 1: already had it, or they don't care. 189 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 2: They've got it done and it fixed them. 190 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: They're good now, as long as I throw high velo, 191 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: that's my best chance of making it to the major 192 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: So that's never gonna be gone. It would be great 193 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: if the concept of contact pitching came back, because I 194 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: do think the Olds no stuff in the pitching world 195 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: that we don't I watched a little bit of the 196 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: Mets game last night and Ron Darling was watching a 197 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: Lawrence Butler at bat who's been killing it for the 198 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: Oakland A's. I believe that's one of Trevor Plufs guy's 199 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: Ali's clients at CIA. Shout out to Ali always the 200 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: best bunch of Trevor Pluf's ever seen. M M. Take 201 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: that and again I don't know what it was. Ron 202 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: Darling didn't explain, but he goes Laurence Butler swinging on 203 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: this pitch and he did. And again I don't know 204 00:10:58,080 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: if that was something from a previous at bat. I 205 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 1: don't know what that was. But if you know that 206 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: as a pitcher, which Ron Darling did, shout out Ron 207 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: another Trevor Proof connection, then like, yeah, we need to 208 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: pass out more of that info to the minor league 209 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,719 Speaker 1: pitchers instead of throw harder, throw faster, make it move more. 210 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: Because I do know that those numbers, the more they 211 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: go up, the better results you get. But there's a 212 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: world of pitching that I feel like isn't getting passed 213 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 1: on right now, and guys are either having to learn 214 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: it on the fly or they don't care. You're either 215 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: good enough to strike him out and you're good or 216 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: you're not, and maybe you get kicked into the bullpen 217 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: and you got to figure out one pitch you throw 218 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: incredibly well. And that's where I'm open to a rule 219 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: like this, Like it is kind of crazy to think 220 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: about what that would do to the game. I think 221 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: something that would be cool is like fifth innings would 222 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: be really good checking points, Like if you're in the 223 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: fifth inning of a game, your starter's at eighty pitches 224 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: and he's given up three earned runs, like those on 225 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 1: become more inflection points of game instead of like no brainer, 226 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna go to our bullpen. I do think that 227 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: would be some good drama. And again, if the mindset 228 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: out there is just like, hey, your pitchers have starting 229 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: pitchers have to throw innings, that's a good concept and 230 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: the game would adjust to that. There was a couple 231 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: notes there trying to incentivize teams like they were talking 232 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: about if certain pitchers throw X amount of innings innings, 233 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: you get a draft pick. They said that probably doesn't 234 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: work because managers aren't gonna make aren't gonna make decisions 235 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: like that game in game out. 236 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 2: Their job is focused on winning this game. 237 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: The manager is not gonna throw them two more batters 238 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: just to hopefully get a draft pick out of their 239 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: staff in three years. So I thought that was interesting 240 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: to try to incentivize it more amongst teams or franchises. 241 00:12:53,120 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 1: The thing that I am more interested in, and I 242 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: was gonna say America's GM, but you know it's Jim Duquett, 243 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 1: Mike Hazen brought the Snakes to the World Series. Remember 244 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: this one, I feel like feels shocking, but it shouldn't. 245 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: It's a five batter minimum for relievers. I think that 246 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: would be cool m because basically what that would do 247 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: is not only would you expect more results from your 248 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: starting pitcher, but for me, the next step has been 249 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 1: having relievers able to pitch multiple innings. I think the 250 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: one inning relievers gotta be done. The math just makes 251 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: a lot of sense in my head that like, Okay, 252 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: let's say you have your one fireballer, reliever class A, 253 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: Clay Holmes, ken Lee Jansen, whoever it is, you bring 254 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: him in for the ninth, that's your guy. I don't 255 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 1: think that should ever leave baseball. That's some of the 256 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: best dramas baseball, right we have closer entrances, Edwin Diaz, 257 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: all of it. Like, that's a beautiful part of the game. 258 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: But if you're a reliever who's not because think about 259 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: what bucket I'm talking about. If you're one of the lockdown, 260 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: nasty relievers that should only be able to pitch one inning, 261 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: how big is that bucket right now? I mean, let 262 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: me how about this, We'll put some stats to it. 263 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: Let's go MLB bring up saves. 264 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: Who's still use saves? 265 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: Bro Okay, Emmanuel class A. Sure that guy is good 266 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: enough that if he only needed to pitch one inning, fine, 267 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: why not? I wouldn't be surprised if he could bitch more. 268 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: But whatever, Josh Hater, Sure, Ryan Helsley, Sure, Rais Iglesias, 269 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: Alexis Diaz, Yeah, I mean man Mason Miller or young 270 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: stud on John durrowan Edwin Diaz. I mean, if we're 271 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: being honest, I can keep digging through this list if 272 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: I want. Let's say there's ten guys in baseball that 273 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: are so good at being electric that you want to 274 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: use them for one inning. Fine, ten guys like double 275 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: it in. It's twenty quick math over here. You're welcome. 276 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: I don't know why the other guys in bullpens can't 277 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: be stretched out for two because I think that's the 278 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: way we save bullpens. If we're still gonna keep that 279 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: many bodies out there. For me, that's the difference because 280 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: if you have that starter, go six innings. Now I'm 281 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: looking at the Brewers' bullpen right now, Frankie Montas gives 282 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: you six bong, you kick it to Brian Hudson or 283 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: Jared Kanick. Sorry for you're only using the big names today. 284 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: But if those guys can go two innings, that's your 285 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: bridge to the closer. And now you just had six 286 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: guys in your bullpen you did not use like. I 287 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: think that's the way to keep the bullpen arms fresh. 288 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: And I just think the bullpen math changing is a 289 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: lot simple, simple, number wise, because we'd have to figure 290 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: out those rules again, right, Like every team has their rules. 291 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: A lot of teams don't let guys pitch three straight days, 292 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: three out of four days is a maximum for a 293 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: lot of teams we are starting. It's that time of year, 294 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: teams are getting desperate that we're seeing a couple guys 295 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: get pushed. 296 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: I think at the time of year, Yankees like, we'll 297 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: get that, like Kinley's in there three days in a 298 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 2: row once we see it. 299 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: Class A went four for four. Uh, it's insane. He's 300 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: such a sick puppy. Thirteen pitches twenty ten and ten 301 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: all four saves four straight games. So again, if you 302 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: needed two out of Class A, I think it could happen. 303 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: I think he's capable. Actually, one bit of uh this 304 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 2: is this is more for my own agendas, but just 305 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 2: classes strike out rate lower than Clay. 306 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: Holmes, right, I mean he's literally people are comparing him 307 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: to Mariano and I get why. 308 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 2: Uh. 309 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: I think if you do the strikeouts compared to like 310 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: where strikeouts were in baseball, Like, I think their numbers 311 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: are spooky and. 312 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 2: Uh they're like k rate plus. 313 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: Yes, I think where Emmanuel Class A is. Uh. Not 314 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: a lot of guys get to Uh. So for me, 315 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: I've always thought the bullpens would be a good, a 316 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: good solution of five batter minimum. Again, Like, I think 317 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: that's daunting to a lot of people because we picture 318 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: these relievers as like I guess everyone pictures the bad 319 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: reliever that comes out and doesn't have it that day, 320 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: Like you're a batter and a half in and you're like, oh, like, 321 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: we we got to pull the plug on this. That 322 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: could get ugly. 323 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there'd be the rules around that, I'm sure. 324 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 2: I'm sure they'd probably say, being like finishing the inning 325 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 2: is an exception and or like who earned runs something 326 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 2: like that that they'd find some way you're able to 327 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 2: work around it, and then he would get obsessed with it. 328 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I guess that is interesting, Like is there 329 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,239 Speaker 1: any level oft like if a pitcher throws a one, two, 330 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: three inning, we'd assume they wouldn't have to come back out. 331 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that might be the guy you want back 332 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 2: out right because they're good. So there's I guess there's 333 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 2: just given take on any end of that. But it's interesting. 334 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: I'm interested in the reliever stuff. The starting pitcher stuff 335 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: I am nervous about because it just feels like such 336 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: a significant change. Yeah, and then again. 337 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 2: The loopholes it lays out in there, like four runs, 338 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 2: hundred pitches all that like it. 339 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 1: I there's a there's a way to. 340 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 2: Be okay with where where that kind of stuff lands. 341 00:18:54,480 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 2: I guess like rehabbing guys is scary, like coct call 342 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 2: the other Like in his game against the Rangers, he 343 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 2: was like they had a pretty clearly had like a 344 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 2: ninety pitch limit on him, Like, yeah, that that happened. 345 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: For guys, you have to be ready to throw a 346 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: hundred pitches. 347 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, you like will have to be built up to 348 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 2: that before coming. 349 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you almost can't start a game until unless 350 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 1: you're built up to throw a hundred pitches, which maybe. 351 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 2: That's a good thing. 352 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: And by the way, just a reminder, and this is 353 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: you know, some talking baseball midter end of episodes. One 354 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: hundred pitches is super arbitrary. Nothing round number. There's nothing 355 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: magical about that number. That like nothing happens to the 356 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: shoulder at one hundred pitches, I mean something does. 357 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 2: But I think any more pitching is is. 358 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 1: More wear and tear. Ninety five, one oh five, ninety 359 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: two one to wait, no clue. One hundreds just a 360 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: round number. And that's what humans like. 361 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 2: Just a little thought exercise for you, just. 362 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: Whenever you're looking for that, be open to it. I 363 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: think there can be some good from the game that 364 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: comes from it. I mean, I I do think it 365 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: wasn't older baseball thing. It's still very prevalent in baseball 366 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: that relievers are failed starters. I do think now there 367 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: is a reliever path. If you're a really good reliever, 368 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: teams will just look at you like that. I remember 369 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: when Johnny Lasagna was coming up, like he he started 370 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: a little bit in the minors, but he had a 371 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: lot of injury history started that game, remember, Yeah, So yeah, 372 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: forty man roster stuff. 373 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 2: I guess the other just like got more of a 374 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 2: bigger picture. Look at this conversation talking to the John 375 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,719 Speaker 2: boy this morning, when this article dropped, there's an element 376 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 2: of like, how big a problem is this? Right now? 377 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 2: It feels like it's basketball is correcting itself on this 378 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 2: compared to where we were three years ago. Right now 379 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 2: feels like the bigger challenge is that during those years 380 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 2: when it wasn't prioritized, they weren't developing guys to do 381 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 2: that as much. So there kind of is like a 382 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 2: crop of guys who came up like not being taught 383 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 2: to emphasize the innings. You can give it all, right, 384 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 2: but in the grand scheme of things that can be 385 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 2: taught still and that can and there's plenty of other guys. 386 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess for me, I think where Baseball thinks 387 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: this would be helpful and they think there's a Velo reduction, 388 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 1: I don't think that's ever gonna happen. I think there'll 389 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,479 Speaker 1: be a couple of pitchers that believe in their stuff 390 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: so much like the de Gram ask for how many 391 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: years now was like, hey, de Gram, Okay, your first 392 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: rehab start, you're throwing ninety nine again. I don't know 393 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: if we need it. Yeah, why don't you bottle that up? 394 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: Ninety seven could be chill. I think you'll have a 395 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: couple of those. But everyone else is hunting Velo so much. 396 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: There's such a correlation between Vlo and success with any 397 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: of the pitches. I guess I don't think it's gonna 398 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: stop that at all. And then the star power argument, 399 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: it's interesting. I thought it was interesting and maybe there's 400 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: something there, but I I mean, we are baseball people 401 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: in the weeds. How many starting pitchers right now truly 402 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: move the needle, you know, Like I don't want to 403 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: say that in a rude way, like even. 404 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 2: Like like how many guys are out there? That's like 405 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 2: when your team's going up against them, you feel like 406 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: uphill battle. 407 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 1: So I guess this is this is an interesting place 408 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: of where do you draw the line? Because like, the 409 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: first name that jumped into my head was Corbyn Burns 410 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: when the cy Young Baltimore Orioles, there's their ace young team, 411 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: great team. Like if this rule exists, is Corbyn Burns 412 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: more of a star? Mm hmm, you know, I don't know. 413 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: I mean like I'm looking, I'm looking at. 414 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 2: Them, actually make that guy more valuable? 415 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: Like Carlos Rodon, Does that make him more of a star? Uh? 416 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: Kevin Gossman, Dylan Ceeese, Mitch Keller, Like I I guess 417 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: I don't see this really elevating anyone's profile from from 418 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: the baseball fan perspective, something that used to be cool 419 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: that's probably faded out from innings and limits and stuff 420 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: like that. It felt like year in, year out rotations 421 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: didn't change a lot. 422 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe maybe that's like just you know. 423 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: It's just where we're at. Yeah, with free agency and 424 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: free agency. 425 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 2: Injuries, Like maybe that's just positively looking back on memories 426 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 2: and if we actually analyzed. 427 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, if in a way teams called up young pitchers, 428 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: they believed in more and they stayed longer, and you 429 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: got more familiar with players or the players from the 430 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: teams you see a lot. I think there could be 431 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,959 Speaker 1: something there, but I don't think star wise, it brings 432 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: too too much to the table. Maybe I'm wrong there. 433 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that's from not seeing starting pictures, because what's 434 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: the I mean, I feel like starting pitchers were more 435 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: so stars when they could go nine. If you thought 436 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: a pitcher was going nine and David Cohne was throwing 437 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: that day, you'd be like, Okay, David Cone might go 438 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: the whole whole game. 439 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 2: Today, like pictures duels are when like one guy was 440 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 2: gonna throw a complete game, the other guy was gonna 441 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 2: go eight. 442 00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: Because I guess god, the the what's incentivizing a team 443 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:08,239 Speaker 1: to have a starting pitcher pitch to more contact and 444 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: go eight innings? Because this is where the pitches come in. 445 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 1: Then like, what's the incentive six innings, tour and runs, 446 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: it's still considered a good start. Are you gonna risk 447 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: more contact to try to get seven and eight? 448 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 2: Like I don't think so it is getting to that 449 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 2: is getting to that seventh eith inning going to be 450 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 2: that big a boost if a guy doesn't have his 451 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 2: best stuff, because if in theory, you're four out of 452 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 2: five guys every turn through the rotation, are gonna go six? 453 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 2: Like the bullpens as a whole are more good to go? 454 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 2: Is like the goal behind. 455 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: This If I was if this was a John Boy 456 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: Media warehouse meeting and we're throwing ideas at the wall, 457 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: I would go back to incentivizing, and again we get 458 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: to be a lot more gimmicky because we're just making 459 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: stuff up. But like if you incentivized it by inning, 460 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: like if you're starting pitcher went eight innings, you got 461 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: to go anywhere in your batting order or something like again, 462 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: I know I'm starting to get video gaming or is 463 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: there like. 464 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 2: The next day the guy only has to go five 465 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 2: in a series or something? Get you can you get 466 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 2: like rollover innings? 467 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: It's always roll over talk. Yeah, I don't know, I 468 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: guess the answer. I guess I just leaked into one 469 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: of those ideas that's been in my head ever since 470 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: I heard it. For extra innings is like send up 471 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: whatever batting order you want kind of Baseball's penalty kicks, 472 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: but still playing baseball. Uh. Like, dude, if if Nestor 473 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: could throw the eighth inning and you get judge another 474 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: at bat, think about how. 475 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 2: Electric dat is nest makes it through eight like an 476 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 2: hour play you get like a one like pick where 477 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 2: you go from here? I don't think would be a 478 00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 2: big change. 479 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 1: That's where that's where changes get tricky, because they either 480 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: need little tweaks or they feel big, crazy and scary. 481 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: Leave your heart open to this one. I think it's interesting. 482 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: I do think the things that it would move the 483 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,719 Speaker 1: needle on kind of like you said talking to Jimmy. 484 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: I don't know how much it would change the current game. 485 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: I think it would just be I think how many 486 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: games have starting pitchers that are in the fifth inning, 487 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: that are pitches eighty two, one hundred that have given 488 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: up three or less runs like that? What do you 489 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: what number is that? That number could be forty percent 490 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: of starts, That number could be twenty, that number could 491 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: be eighty. I have no clue. Five innings. We're gonna 492 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: get our stats department on it. We might not either, 493 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: But I don't know hearts open any rules. I don't 494 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: feel like there's a crazy impact at this point unless 495 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: they got kooky with the rules, which I just did 496 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 1: at the end. There, let's see the next steps. I 497 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: mean the fact that there's smoke and they've had success 498 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: with the last couple rules, I'd expect a little more fire. 499 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,719 Speaker 1: This part of the show is just a little silly 500 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: because we did official power rankings on Talking Baseball, which 501 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: is comical. I mean it's, you know, a couple guys 502 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: talking ball and the comment section is hilarious. I mean 503 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: a couple a couple people just being excited, and mean 504 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: a couple people with good points. So I thought i'd 505 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: circle through them a little bit and see the ones 506 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: that stood out. The number one comment on the episode 507 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: Jason Jannaro's it's so funny when Jake clearly disagrees strongly 508 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: with Trevor but wants to keep moving, so he just 509 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: stares at the camera for an extra couple seconds and continues, 510 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,479 Speaker 1: that's very true. I want Trevor to think about it. 511 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: I want him to stew in what he just said. 512 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: And I usually with a lot of Trevor's points, there's 513 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: a chunk of me that agrees and to come up 514 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: with a Ligne power rankings and a tight timeline, a 515 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: little tricky. A lot of people happy. We're with Mountain 516 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: Dew more importantly, and thank you Mount Dew. There is 517 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: a lot of Houston Astros talk and rightfully so this 518 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: is the team that I did two or three are 519 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: the Astros dead podcasts on I looked at standings from 520 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: last year. Couple fun Astros splits one of the popular ones. 521 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: Since May first, they have the best record in the 522 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: majors fifty five and thirty six. May first, May, June, July, 523 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: middle of August. For three and a half months, the 524 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: Houston Astros have been the best team in baseball. Feel 525 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: like they haven't been talked about that way. I know 526 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: they've been toe to toe with the Mariners, and the 527 00:29:54,760 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: Mariners pitching still great. It's great pitching. Since first, the 528 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: Astros have been the best team in baseball, like the 529 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: Diamondbacks have been the best team since July first, and 530 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: there's been more excitement about that. Defending NL champs, by 531 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: the way, and as the Houston fans did notice and 532 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: whether if you're starting to look into twenty twenty five, 533 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: Stock Verlander, Garcia mccullors Javier or Katy on the IL 534 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: and JP France. I see you. There's another person that 535 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: did it from May eighth for some reason. I don't 536 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: know if that got them, if that got the Astros 537 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: a couple more points. Am Dudley said they have the 538 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: best era. This is why they did mayeth. They have 539 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: the best ERA since May eighth and the best ops. 540 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: So the Houston Astros since early May have been the 541 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: best pitching team and the best hitting team. That's a 542 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: good combination. And that person noted Kyle Tucker is not 543 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: back yet and he's on his way, so they have 544 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: reinforcements coming man, and they need to be treated I 545 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: think as a whole we need to start treating Houston 546 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: like they are Houston. They haven't been looked at this 547 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: that way. They are Houston. They are here, they are back. 548 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: Who got you? 549 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 2: Beebs? Oh, I'm I'm trying to do the stat search 550 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 2: we just did, sorting between five and five and two 551 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 2: thirds innings, between eighty and ninety nine pitches. Is there 552 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 2: any other criteria under four runs? 553 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: Under four run? 554 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, working on that right now. It's seven hundred and 555 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 2: seventy eight starts. I don't know what that's out of 556 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 2: really how many total starts are there. So I'm working 557 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 2: on things. 558 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: I met Kevi in the chat. So going back to 559 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: my d Backs in Houston, who are maybe two teams 560 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: we all need to be talking about more since June. First, 561 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks have a better record than the Astros forty 562 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: four and twenty one. The Astros are thirty nine and 563 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: twenty two. These SATs are also probably from yesterday, so 564 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: they may have changed our game. But dude, shout out 565 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: to the Diamondbacks. Like, I feel weird talking about the 566 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: Diamonbacks at this point because I'm close to the situation 567 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: and like last year's October run felt partially fluky, I 568 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: think everyone could be a little honest about that. But 569 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: they have been, if not the best team in the 570 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,479 Speaker 1: National League for a couple months now, one of the 571 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: best teams in baseball that the Astros and the Diamonbacks. 572 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: However high you want to have them on your list, 573 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: you kind of have the right to. Except I do 574 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: think the Dodgers, like because these teams had bad starts, 575 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: like Houston start was bad, that doesn't mean I should 576 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: throw out the Dodgers wins like impressive noted, and I 577 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: do think you guys are coming, but just because you 578 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: were bad and they were good early on, I can't 579 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: fully erase that, Like, that's not how it works. It's 580 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: not just how hot are you recently. There's a reason. 581 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: It's a long season, and a lot of it will 582 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: dictate as we come up to the finish line a 583 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: little over a month, six weeks. Never been good at 584 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: that math. Big picture guy. That's hilarious that that's his name, 585 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: because this is his comment. I love that there's no 586 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: one clear favorite in the MLB this season. I could 587 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: see any team getting knocked out in the first round. 588 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: You are a big picture guy. Huh, that's what you love. 589 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: It's kind of true though, as you go through the 590 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: top teams, and I've done it with you guys the 591 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: AL you could argue the favorite. I think handover foot 592 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,479 Speaker 1: that a phrase in the NL. There's a Dodgers argument, 593 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: there's arguments against, there's a Phillies argument, there's an argument 594 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: against Diamondbacks that would hold up in the court of law. 595 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: So it is a wide open field, which I do 596 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: feel like is one of baseball's goals that if you're 597 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: one of those people, I think I think baseball is 598 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 1: in a good spot. I'm not sure, BBD. 599 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 2: Alright, I think I have a numbers update. 600 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: Okay, tell me, you alert. 601 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,399 Speaker 2: Me if anything sounds wrong in this. So I went. 602 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 2: I took the twenty twenty three season. So last season 603 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 2: the search criteria between five innings and five point two innings, 604 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 2: between eighty and ninety nine pitches. Three runs are fewer, 605 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 2: so under four, I have six hundred and sixty one 606 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 2: starts of that nature. When I looked up how many 607 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 2: baseball games are there in a season, said roughly twenty 608 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,240 Speaker 2: five hundred. I'll take that as its value. Two starters 609 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 2: per game, So six sixty one out of five thousand 610 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 2: starts per game or per season is about thirteen percent 611 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 2: of starts, okay, which doesn't sound wrong, right, And and it. 612 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 1: So if thirteen percent of starts are on them, I'm 613 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: sure if we if we thought about some caveats around 614 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: the edge, maybe that gets us to fifteen or twenty percent. Yeah, Okay, 615 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: I don't. 616 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 2: Know, And that's not taking into account guys who it's 617 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 2: like didn't finish fourth thing that made whatever? 618 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: Right, I'm sure there's some O center guy rehabs. Sure 619 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: I'll call it twenty percent, which that'd be one out 620 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: of every five starts on your team. So in a 621 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: way that feels impactful. Okay, we'll circle back on that. Uh, 622 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: people were mad. Trev is a little bit of a 623 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: central Homer. He admits that the Guardians are a weird 624 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: mental exercise whether you want to. You know, the Diamondbacks 625 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: and the Guardians. We debated. The Diamacks just swept them, 626 00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 1: So that was in a lot of people's heads. Uh, 627 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: the Guardians, I don't know what to do with I 628 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: think honestly, people aren't fully bought in. I don't know 629 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: if that's the uniform. I don't know if that's the roster. 630 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the lack of starting pitching. 631 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: Making this episode full circle. You like that Kirk Cousins 632 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: drafted him. Will he be good? No idea? What do 633 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: you do with him week one in Atlanta? Is that 634 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 1: offense gonna be clicking? We'll do some fantasy football another time. 635 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,399 Speaker 1: Dodgers note, and I've done it on this show. I've 636 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: kind of ruled Yamamoto out for the year, and they 637 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,959 Speaker 1: keep saying he's not. Let's see who's right. That would 638 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 1: be an impact piece as Walker Buehler pitched the other day. 639 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: Didn't look exactly like Walker Buehler, but the fact he's 640 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: out there thrown sneeze coming on and maybe I'll hide it. 641 00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:01,760 Speaker 1: In Anthony Tomas's rude comment the ES Power ranking starters 642 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: pack one don't watch the games. Two only look at 643 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: overall record. Three ignore streaks and slumps. Four only acknowledge 644 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: players who are well known and well paid. Uh. Two 645 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: and three only look it overall record and ignore streeks. 646 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 1: And I feel like we only talked about streaks and slumps. 647 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 1: The Phillies are slumping. 648 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 2: That's like what dictated most of. 649 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,240 Speaker 1: The dionas in Houston streaking. 650 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 2: That was like most tie breakers. 651 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 1: I don't know. That was one of the first mean 652 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: ones that I was like, you're kind of being folkish man. Uh. 653 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: Dodger fans commenting were very interesting. They felt they I 654 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: feel like they're having a very similar season to the Yankees, 655 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,879 Speaker 1: that they're feeling tormented by their season, yet they understand 656 00:37:54,920 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: they're sitting pretty Jonathan Montgomery, Dodgers are number but there 657 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,479 Speaker 1: is a lot of parody this year and the whole 658 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: n West is hot. Also, Dodgers love torturing their fans. 659 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 1: They're the most frustrating number one team ever. Interesting commentary. 660 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: I'm open to it. Uh, let's see, there was some 661 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: Royals Red Sox sock. Oh, I guess this is the 662 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 1: funny thing, and I should I get Power rankings are 663 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: also a trap, and I think that's why they're popular, 664 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,839 Speaker 1: because how how about this, let's finish with this game. 665 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 1: How low could you possibly rank the Dodgers if you 666 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: were doing MLB power rankings? They just got Mookie bets back. 667 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,879 Speaker 1: They have the best record if they didn't lose it yesterday, which, 668 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 1: by the way, Devin Williams performance last night Little Bro 669 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,720 Speaker 1: of the Night struck out the MVPs show. Hey, Mookie Freddy, 670 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 1: how low could you possibly rank the Dodgers right now? 671 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,319 Speaker 2: Egg on your face? There? Now the one, two, three, 672 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 2: four fifth best record? 673 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 1: Oh shit, okay, well to Milwaukee. We'll start at five, Like, 674 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: can you really put the d Backs or Snakes over them? 675 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: Or excuse me Padres because that's where my final comment 676 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: was going. Yeah, someone was mad. The Padres are nineteen 677 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: and four since the break eight straight series. So I 678 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:39,720 Speaker 1: got Dodgers, Padres, Diamondbacks. The Dodgers have run that division. 679 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 1: The Dodgers just got an MVP back. I mean, I 680 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 1: guess if I full Charlie Angels full throttle, you can 681 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: make an argument for San Diego Arizona. But that would 682 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: be a hot take. 683 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 2: That would be like the takeaway of what you put there. 684 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 2: It's like the statement you would have been trying to 685 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,280 Speaker 2: make if you're like of the whole exercise. 686 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: Because then if we're doing if we're getting that recent. 687 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: So if you're recent and you're so hot to trot 688 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: on the Diamondbacks and Padres, which I'm hot to trot 689 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 1: on the Dinonbacks and Padres, that means you have the Phillies. 690 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: What would you have the Phillies as the fourth team 691 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: in the National League fifth? They've been fucking badass and 692 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 1: they're gonna be badass. And you know that every team 693 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: goes through a rough stretch. That that's the trick with 694 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: power rankings. Red Sox fans weren't happy, Royals fans weren't happy. 695 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: Mariners fans aren't sure where they're at with me, and 696 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 1: I understand that, but I don't know if you're looking 697 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: for some laughs, let me see. I mean, I've got 698 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,399 Speaker 1: another guy here fighting for the Guardians. When you put 699 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,400 Speaker 1: all these names on the table, nobody's gonna be happy. 700 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,719 Speaker 1: Let's see Wallace Creed's list, Astro's number one. Okay, that's 701 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: just tough. They're a day or two away from being 702 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:13,280 Speaker 1: behind the Mariners. April Still happened. 703 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 2: Has to be part of it. 704 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: I realize it. It should be less than it is less. 705 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 1: April still did happen, And if an April like that 706 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: were to pop up again, they could not be in 707 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 1: the playoffs. They're gonna be in. They're horrifying. It was 708 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: a top fifteen list. Go check it out. I'm a 709 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,799 Speaker 1: little hot, I'm a little sick. I think we're gonna 710 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,799 Speaker 1: call it here, big fanatics weekend. Hopefully get some good 711 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: stuff for the GRAM, some good stories for Monday. Thank 712 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 1: you guys. Telling Beebes. 713 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 2: Wake and Jake is a production of Dan Patrick Productions, 714 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 2: John Boy Media, and Workhouse Media.