Speaker 1: As a guide and hunter, I've spent thousands of days
Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard
Speaker 1: won experiences into tips and tactics they'll get you closer
Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren.
Speaker 1: This is cutting the Distance. This podcast is presented by
Speaker 1: Yetti Built for the Wild. If you've been hunting with
Speaker 1: a buddy, Let's say you both have tags for elk
Speaker 1: general area. You're out there, you're hunting, you run into
Speaker 1: a group of bulls. There's four bulls in there. Now,
Speaker 1: the scenario is, and I know I've encountered this many times,
Speaker 1: why don't we both try to get one? Because that
Speaker 1: is the best case scenario in this situation, we call
Speaker 1: it a double. Now, if you've ever tried to get
Speaker 1: a double, you might have realized that it's a little
Speaker 1: harder than expected. Now there's a saying a bird in
Speaker 1: hand is better than two in the bush. Well, that
Speaker 1: might be true. I honestly believe two birds in two hands,
Speaker 1: no bushes, that's the best scenario. Now, over the years,
Speaker 1: especially while guiding, I've tried some things, seen a lot
Speaker 1: of things that do not work that well. That you
Speaker 1: have probably tried. So what I'm gonna do is tell
Speaker 1: you the method that works the best, and how next
Speaker 1: time you're presented with the chance for a double, you
Speaker 1: can come out two birds, two hands. If I think
Speaker 1: about it, I've had many times where I've had the
Speaker 1: opportunity to be a participant in a double. If I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of just stories that I was going to tell
Speaker 1: doll sheep with my dad in Alaska that worked out,
Speaker 1: I can think of a time that didn't work out,
Speaker 1: our dad with my buddy Brennan in New Mexico. And
Speaker 1: then I can think of an accidental double. Now you
Speaker 1: gotta stay with the story because that might sound bad,
Speaker 1: like what happened? How was it an accident? So I
Speaker 1: was hunting in Montana General area, me and my buddy
Speaker 1: Brett going out. I actually had a deer tag as well,
Speaker 1: so we thought, I'll go look to this spot for
Speaker 1: deer and then maybe head out for elk, kind of
Speaker 1: hunting both at the same time. Whatever, And then my
Speaker 1: two brothers and dad went out hunting that day too,
Speaker 1: but we kind of split up my head, my own plans.
Speaker 1: They were doing their thing. So me and Brett get
Speaker 1: to a spot mid morning, got a group of cows
Speaker 1: came out below us or glass and no bulls, spikes
Speaker 1: in there, no legal bulls. Didn't see really any meal there.
Speaker 1: So I thought, let's go to this other areas of
Speaker 1: ways away. But man, it's Thanksgiving day. We're kind of
Speaker 1: gonna maybe be back for Thanksgiving that day. But we
Speaker 1: decided let's just go hunt the evening in this other spot.
Speaker 1: Just check it out, see what happens. So we get
Speaker 1: to that new spot, we start glassing and it's just
Speaker 1: dead over there. It's like nothing's going on. I'm glassing
Speaker 1: one direction and I hear a shot off from the distance.
Speaker 1: Sounded like offrom the distance. Uh huh, it's a big
Speaker 1: burn right there. Let's go see what's going on. Just
Speaker 1: head up there, you know, who knows, maybe we'll see
Speaker 1: something coming our way. Me and Brett walk up that direction,
Speaker 1: start going up the ridge, and here comes alone bull
Speaker 1: elk trotting across the hill. Do you doing around? As
Speaker 1: I like to call it, looking back trotten? Now at
Speaker 1: this point, he's coming towards me. So I set up.
Speaker 1: There's a dead tree in the burn that's fallen over.
Speaker 1: I get my rifle set up and I'm just gonna wait,
Speaker 1: and he's not. He's definitely going away from where that
Speaker 1: shot came from, but not really paying a lot of attention.
Speaker 1: The bull was working across the hillside. I just followed
Speaker 1: him with my rifle and he just stops in the open.
Speaker 1: I've got a clear backdrop, I can see everything. I
Speaker 1: put the cross hair right where it's supposed to be,
Speaker 1: squeezed the trigger, and the bull drops, boom, snowy. He
Speaker 1: hits the ground and just slides down a little ways
Speaker 1: into the canyon. I'm thinking, sweet, that was awesome. That
Speaker 1: worked out great. And walk up to the bull and
Speaker 1: go take care of it. And I see some guys
Speaker 1: across the canyon in their hunter's orange. I pull up
Speaker 1: my binoculars and I look like, no way, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: The guy that shot the other bowl happened to be
Speaker 1: my brother, who I had no clue was even hunting
Speaker 1: up there, but he shot out a bull. And then
Speaker 1: the bowl that I ended up shooting was the other
Speaker 1: bowl that was with his bull just walking away after
Speaker 1: he shot his bull, kind of looking back and distracted
Speaker 1: by them. I was like, sweet, I yelled across the canyon, Hey,
Speaker 1: j he looks up. He sees me in his vind
Speaker 1: and he's like, this is awesome. We end up getting
Speaker 1: our bulls down to the road below hole and Thanksgiving Day,
Speaker 1: we're supposed to be back to Thanksgiving dinner at uh
Speaker 1: I don't know, right around dark. It's midnight. By this point,
Speaker 1: we've got two whole bull elk in the back of
Speaker 1: the truck, just happy it can be. The whole family
Speaker 1: missed Thanksgiving dinner. There was no service, so no one
Speaker 1: really knew that we were going to miss Thanksgiving. I
Speaker 1: feel like this is a very timely story because Thanksgivings
Speaker 1: just right around the corner. It's a great day to
Speaker 1: be out hunting in. A great excuse to miss dinner
Speaker 1: is having to bull elk down on what I would
Speaker 1: consider an accidental double. I've got three double scenarios. We're
Speaker 1: gonna call it worst, better best. Now, as a hunting guide,
Speaker 1: I've got this thing. It's called two on one hunt,
Speaker 1: so it's two hunters per one guide. Most of the
Speaker 1: times I've been guiding have been that, and most of
Speaker 1: the times that you get an opportunity, you also have
Speaker 1: another opportunity or the potential for another opportunity. Over the years,
Speaker 1: I've learned that the scenario that pops into most people's
Speaker 1: head on how to make this happen is the worst scenario. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's what I like to call the one to three.
Speaker 1: That's where you try to shoot at the same time
Speaker 1: at two animals. Here's the problem with that, And the
Speaker 1: reason I got to lay out all these scenarios is
Speaker 1: to kind of change your thinking of what works and
Speaker 1: what doesn't, just based on experience. So the one to three,
Speaker 1: here's the problem with it. What you need to make
Speaker 1: a perfect shot is the animal to be in the
Speaker 1: perfect position so you can make an ethical shot. Now,
Speaker 1: if you're one to three, First off, the count is
Speaker 1: often off. Second, it's really hard to line up two
Speaker 1: animals with two people and coordinate in that three seconds,
Speaker 1: meaning oftentimes one will be out, the other, one will
Speaker 1: be just slightly away, one will be broadside, one will
Speaker 1: be quartered in. To get both animals broadside and then
Speaker 1: say one to three and both people shoot at the
Speaker 1: same time, there's a lot of organizing going on. And
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but I can't even organize
Speaker 1: a closet. So to get two guys to shoot an
Speaker 1: animal perfectly and ethically at the same time. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of things need to go right for that scenario
Speaker 1: to work. One person in that scenario will end up
Speaker 1: having to rush a shot or not have a good shot,
Speaker 1: or both people will be trying to shoot at the
Speaker 1: same time, and instead of getting two birds in two hands,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get no birds and no hands. Back to
Speaker 1: that analogy that we all know. Because you get too distracted,
Speaker 1: things don't go right, both people mess up, you end
Speaker 1: up getting nothing, or someone ends up making a bad shot,
Speaker 1: or somebody doesn't get a shot, and then nobody gets
Speaker 1: a shot. I've seen that play out more times than not.
Speaker 1: It's just through experience. I know for a fact that's
Speaker 1: the worst scenario. So that was worst. Now let's talk
Speaker 1: about the better scenario. The better scenario is essentially the
Speaker 1: modified one to three because the one to three you
Speaker 1: don't have the right timing. So the modified one to
Speaker 1: three is a system where you start counting down from
Speaker 1: ten out loud, ten nine, eight, seven, six, and when
Speaker 1: you hit five, you both start counting in your head four.
Speaker 1: So now this parts in my head and you're gonna
Speaker 1: hear it. It's five four three two one, But you're
Speaker 1: keeping the same cadence because you have a rhythm going
Speaker 1: for the first five, the second five you have going.
Speaker 1: I will say this, When you do that, generally both
Speaker 1: rifles go off at the same time, which is what
Speaker 1: you want. However, I also think in that scenario you
Speaker 1: have to have one designated shooter and the other person
Speaker 1: that if they don't have a shot, just has to stop. Now,
Speaker 1: if both animals present an ethical shot and you can
Speaker 1: start this ten countdown, it's a lot better because both
Speaker 1: rifles go off at the same time, but you aren't
Speaker 1: worried or rushing each other to try to make the shot. Now,
Speaker 1: while that might be better than the one to three,
Speaker 1: I still do not recommend that there's a lot of
Speaker 1: room for error. So now we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: best the best way to get a successful double two birds,
Speaker 1: two hands, and probably the most ethical way. I call
Speaker 1: it the shoot on report, but the shoot on report
Speaker 1: to be successful. What that is is you have a
Speaker 1: first shooter and a second shooter. This works nearly every
Speaker 1: time if the first shooter does their job right. What
Speaker 1: does that mean if the first shooter drops the animal
Speaker 1: that they're shooting at. Generally, animals that are associated with
Speaker 1: a herd, especially the male animals. It works really well
Speaker 1: with sheep. Rams are extremely susceptible to this. It works
Speaker 1: great with elk, and it also works great with mule Here,
Speaker 1: especially later in the season, if you drop the first animal,
Speaker 1: the others will often stand around and look or watch
Speaker 1: that animal. Now, it involves as the first person making
Speaker 1: a perfect shot, and that's what you want in any
Speaker 1: hunting scenario. Anyways, this will give the second shooter time
Speaker 1: to line up and have a shot before they run off. Now,
Speaker 1: it's often a small window, but what it does is
Speaker 1: it gives the first person the bird in hand and
Speaker 1: the second person an opportunity. If the first person misses
Speaker 1: or doesn't drop the animal right away, then you probably
Speaker 1: won't have that second opportunity. If the animal just drops,
Speaker 1: I would say in my experience of the time, the
Speaker 1: second shooter will get a good shot. Now, how do
Speaker 1: you make the setup work? Step one, get into position
Speaker 1: and close enough where you can both communicate, but you
Speaker 1: also the second shooter needs to be either wearing your
Speaker 1: protection or hopefully away from the muzzle blast enough. Because
Speaker 1: the times I've run into trouble is when somebody has
Speaker 1: a muzzle break next to you, they pull the trigger
Speaker 1: at the first one, and the sound and concussion from
Speaker 1: that rifle essentially disorients the person next to them, and
Speaker 1: if you're can avoid that, this method tends to work.
Speaker 1: I've had it worked personally on many accounts. I've also
Speaker 1: wild guiding, set it up for this scenario and said
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do, and it's worked out
Speaker 1: more times than not. We've all had these scenarios. If
Speaker 1: you hunt with people a lot, you're gonna run into
Speaker 1: this possibility where you could both be successful. But a
Speaker 1: lot of times people aren't successful because they try the
Speaker 1: one two three method. So I think we're gonna do it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna call it a modified shoot on report. It's
Speaker 1: where the first person drops the animal and the second
Speaker 1: person will get a shot because the animals are distracted
Speaker 1: seeing one that's there having just dropped, trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what's going on, and not necessarily knowing where that
Speaker 1: sounds coming from. This is the most successful way to
Speaker 1: pull off an intentional double. Unlike my accidental doublech happened
Speaker 1: to be this same method, just unaware of it. Now,
Speaker 1: with anything, I can give you these tips, but you
Speaker 1: also have to consider the ethics involved, and everything is situational.
Speaker 1: What you don't want is the two birds in the
Speaker 1: bush scenario. So if you're the second person shooting, you
Speaker 1: always have to consider whether you have time to make
Speaker 1: a perfect lethal shot or not. It's better to let
Speaker 1: the first person shoot and focus on making that one
Speaker 1: perfect shot than you rushing them and trying to get
Speaker 1: a shot off, or vice versa, both people rushing and
Speaker 1: trying to get a shot off. Like I said, the
Speaker 1: bird in hand is always the best scenario. My setup
Speaker 1: for the double is getting that bird in hand, a
Speaker 1: good shooter making a good shot, and then the second
Speaker 1: person taking a good ethical shot based on that animal
Speaker 1: being distracted by the first animal that dropped. I think
Speaker 1: that that's the most ethical and easiest way to get
Speaker 1: a double. Now it's great because you're both successful, but
Speaker 1: you also have to consider the fact of now you
Speaker 1: have two animals to pack out with elk. That can
Speaker 1: be difficult. If you've got horses, you're in luck because
Speaker 1: you can bring them in once and take them both out.
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool to be able to celebrate with your
Speaker 1: hunting buddy at the same time. So if the opportunity
Speaker 1: presents itself for this modified shoot on report. Give it
Speaker 1: a try. I think that you'll find is the most
Speaker 1: successful and most ethical way for you both to have
Speaker 1: success on the same day. Next week, I want to
Speaker 1: talk about a tactic that I think gets overlooked by
Speaker 1: mulear hunters. It's gonna be covered calling and rattling in bucks. Now.
Speaker 1: If you're a sage white tail hunter, you know this
Speaker 1: tactic works extremely well during the run, but I think
Speaker 1: a lot of Western hunters definitely overlook it. I want
Speaker 1: to tell you a story of a time that I
Speaker 1: used it with great success, and then I want to
Speaker 1: go into a few of the tactics that I use
Speaker 1: for rattling deer and calling deer, and it also can
Speaker 1: translate to white tails as well, So I think you
Speaker 1: want to tune into that until next week. Don't one, two, three,
Speaker 1: We'll be right here. Catch you later. M