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Speaker 1: What's going on everybody, And welcome back to a Bachelor

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Speaker 1: Happy Hour. Sorry to interrupt your regularly scheduled programming, but

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Speaker 1: you're here with Jonathan Johnson and my beautiful co host

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Speaker 1: Joan Vossos. Yes, and we're gonna be talking about everything.

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Speaker 1: Golden Bacheler from episode five, bye and believe it.

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Speaker 2: And when you're stebbing in for Serena and Joe are

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Speaker 2: traveling today, so you're stuck with Jonathan and I. But

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Speaker 2: we have a lot to talk about. We are so

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Speaker 2: happy to.

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Speaker 1: Be here, beyond happy to be here. Well, Joan, if

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Speaker 1: you want to start us off, go I just kind

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Speaker 1: of play off you yeah, go.

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Speaker 2: For okay, okay. Well, first of all, like my first

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Speaker 2: thoughts about this episode is the house looks so empty,

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Speaker 2: like six people are so few, and I feel like

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Speaker 2: we got there really quickly. I don't know, do you

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Speaker 2: feel the same way, Like this is lou fun. We

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Speaker 2: only have six left?

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Speaker 3: Well, what do we start with twenty four, twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Twenty five, I don't know. We are six, we're at six,

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Speaker 2: We're getting down to three, so we.

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Speaker 3: Have already after five is insane And that's a.

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Speaker 2: Little bit of the shock when Jesse came in and said,

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Speaker 2: there's only going to be three hometowns, so like on

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Speaker 2: my season, I had four, and most seasons have four.

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Speaker 2: But I do remember back to Golden Bachelor and he

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Speaker 2: only had three also, so they're kind of like the

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Speaker 2: Golden Bachelors seem to only do three, which seems like

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Speaker 2: not very many. Although as someone who was a lead

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Speaker 2: and did hometowns, they're exhausting, so I can see why

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Speaker 2: maybe they're only doing free. But I just feel like

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Speaker 2: the house is so empty and there's only six of

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Speaker 2: them left, and it just seems like there's so much

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Speaker 2: less energy in the air now and it's all very subdued.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I like the the whole dynamic of the

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Speaker 1: women left too is insane. And I know, like I'm

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Speaker 1: jumping ahead, but I'm really excited to talk about like

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Speaker 1: who's left. But like everything that had led up to

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Speaker 1: this moment, like all like the like the spiritual journeys

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Speaker 1: one like it was all very.

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Speaker 3: It was an episode that needed to happen for sure.

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Speaker 2: Well, Botcher loves to do those awkward episodes where you

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Speaker 2: do all this really spiritual stuff with these virtual strangers,

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Speaker 2: and I had to do it on my season. I

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Speaker 2: did it with Pascal. We were both like we wanted

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Speaker 2: together as fast as we possibly Could's so uncomfortable, but weirdly, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I know we're going to get into this. We're probably

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Speaker 2: jumping ahead. But Mel embraced it a little more than

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Speaker 2: I expected him to. But let's talk. Let's talk that

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Speaker 2: kind of from the beginning to the end. Otherwise you

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Speaker 2: and I are just going to get off on a tangent.

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Speaker 3: Ye, We're going to never come back.

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Speaker 2: Yep, we know how we are. So okay, So six

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Speaker 2: ladies left, and I remember it started out with the

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Speaker 2: two who didn't had never had one on one dates talking,

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Speaker 2: So it was Carol and Cindy sitting there and they

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Speaker 2: were both like, Wow, this is like a really important

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Speaker 2: day because homecowns are next week and or tomorrow or whatever,

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Speaker 2: really soon, and neither one of us have had a

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Speaker 2: date yet. And I remember, like Carol's saying like, I

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Speaker 2: with Mel. And I don't know if she was talking

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Speaker 2: about herself or with or Mel. She didn't think we

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Speaker 2: would know her well enough, but whatever, she kind of

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Speaker 2: just said that right out, and Cindy was really kind

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Speaker 2: and she said, you know, you've had kind of a

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Speaker 2: feel like she was really really kind. And then of

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Speaker 2: course Jesse enters and oh and I also remember from

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Speaker 2: I think those beginning conversations where Nicole and she's a

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Speaker 2: there's a lot to talk about. Nicole seems to be

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Speaker 2: very confident about Paule thing, like, you know, if I

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Speaker 2: can manifest it, it can happen. If I believe it,

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Speaker 2: And I feel really confident, and I feel like Milan

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Speaker 2: Everybody else seems not particularly confident to me.

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Speaker 1: No, no, And I can't tell if Nicholes is like

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Speaker 3: The storyline that she has set in her head? You

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Speaker 1: Like, there's there's a difference to acting confidently for your

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Speaker 1: there's a way of doing it in like a professional way,

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Speaker 1: Like I have a job to do, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Gonna do it. I'm gonna get it done, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean? So, like, which which way is she

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what her job is here,

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Speaker 2: and like we all expect that she's there because she

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Speaker 2: wants to find love and she wants to connect with Mel,

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Speaker 2: But I'm not really very confident that that's what it is,

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Speaker 2: or that she kind of wants both. But like the

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Speaker 2: mail part is just the second part of her journey,

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Speaker 2: not the main part. Yeah, Like if she ended up

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Speaker 2: with Mel, like I mean We'll get to this later

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Speaker 2: in the episode, because she does say some very strange

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Speaker 2: here we go, a date card enters. Yeah, and so

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Speaker 2: the two people that are really really invested in the

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Speaker 3: I haven't had one, yep.

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Speaker 2: And like, can somebody Okay, I want to ask you

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Speaker 2: having had a date?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think somebody did on Grant season last year, Zoe had.

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Speaker 1: So it is a possibility for somebody to do it.

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Speaker 1: But I think the unsettling, uneasy like nature of it,

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Speaker 3: I think Cindy is a little bit more confident in

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Speaker 1: Or maybe she's just like hiding like the I don't know,

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Speaker 2: And I feel like we've seen very little of Cindy's

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Speaker 2: one on one interactions with Mel. She seems very confident,

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Speaker 2: and she feels like she's falling in love. She's such

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Speaker 2: has such strong feelings, but we've seemed so little from her.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. For some reason, she hasn't got a

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Speaker 3: I will say, though, I love that she owned it.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people can relate to it, too,

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Speaker 1: because when you're a good looking person, people like expectings

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Speaker 1: seven years?

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Speaker 2: Seven years, seven years since she's had no I think

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Speaker 2: now that was Cindy. Cindy was sep years. I don't

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Speaker 1: For her, long a long period of time to jump

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Speaker 3: Little kid again, like I don't know what to do,

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Speaker 3: but I don't talk to him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like there's something like very just like heartwarming

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Speaker 2: I totally agree with you. So mel come so h

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Speaker 2: Jesse comes in, he drops a date card, okay, of course,

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Speaker 2: and Cindy and Carol are sitting there like really, you know,

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Speaker 2: knows that that's going to be really hard. But I

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Speaker 2: also love and Mel did the same thing I did

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Speaker 2: on my season. When you go in like these last

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to give out any roses on dates

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Speaker 2: because it locks you in to something like So let's

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Speaker 2: say he would have given out a rose on the

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Speaker 2: group date and on the individual date, he would have

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Speaker 2: only had one rose left at the rose ceremony. There

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Speaker 2: like he did a good job and saying I'm not

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Speaker 2: I think he needs, like elimining three people is a lot.

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Speaker 2: You're elimiting half the people that are there. So I

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Speaker 2: think that was a really smart decision.

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Speaker 1: I thought when he was at Griffith Park and I

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Speaker 1: and he's like, I got something for you. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: thought he was about to like pull out a rose

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Speaker 3: Time that would have been good. And I was like,

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Speaker 3: was like, oh, it's a star, which is still cute.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, that's good.

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Speaker 2: It was cute.

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Speaker 1: But like to jump back, when Cindy found out that

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think part of it for her

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Speaker 1: was her her like empathetic side, you know, because she

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Speaker 1: had that conversation with Carol and they.

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Speaker 3: Were both kind of bonded over it.

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Speaker 2: Yep, yep.

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Speaker 1: And I felt similar on my season, where I was

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Speaker 1: Who you, who you are, what you're doing. It's it's

437
00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,480
Speaker 1: completely what you're doing. Like that's the reason that that

438
00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,200
Speaker 1: negative energy is there. And she's just I don't I

439
00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,080
Speaker 1: don't think she's thought internally enough about what she said,

440
00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,359
Speaker 1: and she didn't hold her cards close enough to like like,

441
00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,959
Speaker 1: if that's your intent on this show. We know it happens.

442
00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,920
Speaker 1: People come on for the wrong reasons all the time.

443
00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,040
Speaker 3: You know it's going to happen, But.

444
00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,119
Speaker 2: It's so weird because it's not really true. In Golden's

445
00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,359
Speaker 2: so like, you know, like Gary season was so pure,

446
00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,320
Speaker 2: like none of us had a clue about Instagram. We

447
00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,880
Speaker 2: knew nothing. My season so pure, Like the guys were

448
00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,760
Speaker 2: not there to be Instagram, you know people. I feel

449
00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,080
Speaker 2: like almost.

450
00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,760
Speaker 3: All the women here, not all of them all.

451
00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,879
Speaker 2: Not at all. Like you can't even find them on

452
00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,959
Speaker 2: Instagram hardly. I mean a few of them, but like

453
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,720
Speaker 2: really not at all. So when you look at these women,

454
00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,240
Speaker 2: I feel like most of them are here really for

455
00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,360
Speaker 2: the right reason. I feel like Nicole is a little

456
00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,560
Speaker 2: bit of a out you know, kind of she's out

457
00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,159
Speaker 2: there on her own right now. I feel like in

458
00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,119
Speaker 2: that in that respect.

459
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,400
Speaker 3: Oh and they say it too. They outwardly say she's

460
00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:44,560
Speaker 3: when they're when are they.

461
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,240
Speaker 1: Like sitting all in a group and she's saying something

462
00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:48,719
Speaker 1: along maybe they at a table.

463
00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,760
Speaker 3: I can't remember the exact moment, but Nicole in the kitchen.

464
00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,280
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm looking to like monetize, like my workout program whatever.

465
00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,240
Speaker 3: Her cooking her uh, her cooking thing, that's right, cooking.

466
00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,760
Speaker 2: Wants to be an like a vegetarian cook or something.

467
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,280
Speaker 3: Yep. And then it's like it's either Cindy, Carroll or

468
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:05,880
Speaker 3: Cheryl too many sea names.

469
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,640
Speaker 1: One of them goes, I'm just looking for a nice man.

470
00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,280
Speaker 1: I'm just looking for a nice man. And I was like,

471
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,919
Speaker 1: I know, I'm just I think it was Carol crazy stuff.

472
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, Well she does take hints and she

473
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,320
Speaker 2: is very not very self aware at all. So so

474
00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 2: then we go on to the date with Cheryl, who

475
00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,160
Speaker 2: now I'm thinking, like he used to have this really

476
00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,400
Speaker 2: great relationship with him, and now I'm thinking it's really

477
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 2: faded a lot. But we're not knowing what exactly. We're

478
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,440
Speaker 2: not seen on TV. Obviously, they're having interactions off off

479
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,720
Speaker 2: the screen, and again mel is in a bathing suit.

480
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 2: He's going for a cold plunge this time, I'm like,

481
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,680
Speaker 2: they're putting mel in a bathing suit a lot. I

482
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,200
Speaker 2: think they really really like his physique, so he gets

483
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,440
Speaker 2: it's a lot of funny time. I know it looks Goodney,

484
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 2: but she really doesn't want to do it, Like she's like,

485
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to do this. This is freezing cold.

486
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 2: This isn't my idea of a good time. I'm really

487
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 2: but you know she has to do it. We all

488
00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,560
Speaker 2: know she has to do it, So she does it.

489
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:05,399
Speaker 2: I don't feel like it's a particularly interesting date to me.

490
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 2: I feel like they're in there. He looks cold, she

491
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 2: looks cold. They're supposed to's supposed to clear your mind

492
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,639
Speaker 2: and allow your feelings to take over or something I

493
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:17,120
Speaker 2: don't remember.

494
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 3: Which is the last thing. Have you ever done a

495
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 3: cold punch? Oh?

496
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:20,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's miserable, miserable.

497
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,200
Speaker 1: The last thing it does is clear your mind. All

498
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,399
Speaker 1: you can think about is like keeping yourself alive.

499
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,360
Speaker 3: Has it been three minutes yet? Literally, this is.

500
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,919
Speaker 2: The longest three minutes of my life. I just want

501
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 2: to get out of here, you know. And she's trying

502
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 2: to be like a good sport and not act like

503
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 2: a baby, but she is like, really doesn't want to

504
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 2: be in there, and I totally get it. I wouldn't

505
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 2: want to go to the mud thing, and I certainly

506
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,159
Speaker 2: wouldn't want to go the cold punch, and I've done

507
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 2: one before, so I'm like, no, thank you, But I

508
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,640
Speaker 2: do feel like, you know, she comes out, Mel says,

509
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 2: it gives you clarity. He's really buying into all this stuff.

510
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,119
Speaker 2: He be wooned into the mud thing. He's buying into

511
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 2: this Cold Punch like he's kind of into it, like

512
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 2: in bigger way than any of the women I feel

513
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 2: like are. I feel like the women are all less

514
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 2: into it except for baby Debbie and we'll talk about

515
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 2: her next. But anyway, I feel like Cheryl wants to say,

516
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 2: like this cleared her mind, so it gives her a

517
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 2: lead in to say how she's feeling about him, and

518
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 2: she's she finally she kind of fesses up that she's

519
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 2: really strong feelings with him, and then she kind of

520
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 2: hesitates into like act, I'm actually I'm falling in love

521
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,640
Speaker 2: with you. And what does he do with the classic

522
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 2: I really appreciate that And that's like the that's like death.

523
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 2: You can't he says that to you should get up

524
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 2: and walk out and self eliminate because.

525
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: I'm kind of maybe reading into this though too, And

526
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,199
Speaker 1: you got to think about what this show does, you

527
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like every time there's a clear

528
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: front runner, which she was in the beginning, you know,

529
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 1: she had the first one on one.

530
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 3: She her story was one of the ones that just

531
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 3: like made me a tearsjerker. I just know I.

532
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 2: Loved her how she let go of that being mad

533
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 2: at him. She's a saint. He left her in the

534
00:22:58,760 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 2: hospital with a new.

535
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 3: And then disappeared for a year, and then and then

536
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 3: she tapped their child for a week. I know.

537
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 2: But yet she's like I wanted them to have a relationship,

538
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna forgive it.

539
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 3: Gave him and then he loved and then he died.

540
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 2: I know, I'm like, this is just seriously.

541
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 3: I was like, really, yeah, insane. It's a movie.

542
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: It's a literal movie, yes, but they have an amazing

543
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 1: relationship up until this point. And like I know for

544
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: a fact this happened with Joey and Kelsey too, where

545
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: Joey was so locked in on Kelsey.

546
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 3: That like they had to be like.

547
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 1: You got to give these other girls a chance, Like

548
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 1: you can't just be like, no, this one now done, done,

549
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 1: don't you know? And this could be one of those

550
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: cases where it's like maybe he does feel so strongly

551
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 1: about Cheryl that like they're not showing that side of

552
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 1: it so that we don't know.

553
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 3: Maybe they're playing into.

554
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 2: It a little bit, but in this moment, like I

555
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 2: believe that all up until this moment when he said,

556
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 2: I really appreciate that. And then but then he kind

557
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 2: of went back a little bit and he said, like, I,

558
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 2: you know, I had strong feelings for you on our

559
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: first date and those haven't gone away. And then she said,

560
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 2: I really like for you to come to Colorado and

561
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: meet my family or he said, what does you know,

562
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 2: what would a hometown look like? She said, you come

563
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 2: to Colorado in my family, he said, And he says,

564
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 2: I really like to come to Colorado. So he's kind

565
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 2: of leading her on now, Yeah, he's bringing her back.

566
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 3: She's feeling yep, yep.

567
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: And then he does the date with Debbie, and Debbie's

568
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 2: date was the one that would have made me so

569
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 2: uncomfortable because they do the tan trick yoga, yeah, which

570
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: like I don't know what it is, but I could

571
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 2: tell by that first pose.

572
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 3: That other and like, yeah, hold each other lines.

573
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 2: Okay, it was really odd, and like she has straddled

574
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 2: to him in the first one, and I'm like, Okay,

575
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 2: this is really uncomfortable. Yet they were so comfortable, which

576
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: gives me kind of was starting to give me a hint.

577
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: Like I was thinking about rose ceremony all through this episode,

578
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 2: like really watching them to figure out I was going

579
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 2: to get a rose, and I kind of got a

580
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 2: hint that maybe she was going to get a rose

581
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 2: because they were so easy and so comfortable together. And

582
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 2: but I also just can't figure out his type. They're

583
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 2: so different. Every one of these girls is so different.

584
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 2: M Like, possibly Ryl and Cindy are a little same,

585
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: but I feel like everybody else. Peg is a live wire.

586
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 2: Debbie has never been married before, and it's just so

587
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 2: genuine and sweet and just wants to have love so bad.

588
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,239
Speaker 3: Those ones that blows my mind. Yeah, she blows my

589
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 3: mind with that because she's stunning, too.

590
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: Cute, even the younger pictures they showed. I was like,

591
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: I know if she was my age, and I would

592
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: I would shoot.

593
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 2: My be Like I know, I know you in April,

594
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 2: like you and April and that on Paradise.

595
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know April, I love April. I know, I know,

596
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 3: I know, but I do see what you're saying the Debbie.

597
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 3: I think the attraction, the physical attraction is there.

598
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 2: Is really good, but it also goes past that. I

599
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 2: feel like they have like a really good rapport. So

600
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: I felt like after that date, I felt about Cheryl,

601
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: I felt better about Debbie and I ended up being

602
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 2: right about that. But like I really loved I loved

603
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 2: that Debbie could possibly be the one that she's finding

604
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: love with him.

605
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 3: Because such an amazing it would be the.

606
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: Best story because there's so few people like That's one

607
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 2: of the things like when you become a widow like

608
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 2: I did at my age, you become it's very lonely.

609
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: There's very few single people out there. All your friends

610
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 2: are a couple. So I can see her she's been

611
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: traveling this road for a lot of years of not

612
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 2: being a couple, and that's it's hard. It's it's actually

613
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 2: really really really lonely. But he said that similar to

614
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 2: oh is that right?

615
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: I've never seen my mom married, and it's what those

616
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: are one of those stories that I just like, I

617
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: connect you and I want to see her on this

618
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: on the show. Yeah, I know she's a very entertaining

619
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: woman too.

620
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 2: We'll talk. Yeah, your mother is obviously so Nicole. So Nicole,

621
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 2: and he went on because there's a lot there, so

622
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: much to say, so much to say, and like so

623
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: not much to say because when it comes to she

624
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: and mel there is like really nothing. But he came

625
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: in and like his commentary was like, Nicole is one

626
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 2: of my favorites because she made me lemon bars. And

627
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't think you could think of anything

628
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: else to say about her.

629
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: I think he likes that she is all over him too,

630
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: at least Yeah, from early early on, she was just

631
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: like all over him. And like, as a guy in

632
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: this scenario, you have to go off of like any

633
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 1: Q you can get, and it seems like hers is

634
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: very physical. So he's like, you know what, hell, yeah,

635
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: like this is awesome. Yeah, and then a divorced dude,

636
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: and then I'll take some physical attention this. Yeah, she's

637
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: stunning and she's all into me.

638
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: Done makes me feel good about myself, makes feel confident,

639
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: like I'm a good looking guy. This beautiful woman is

640
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 2: really attracted to me, So all this is good. I

641
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 2: do feel a little like that was okay. In the beginning,

642
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 2: it was uncomfortable watching it, Like when they were in

643
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 2: the pool, I was like, I need to turn this off.

644
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: This is uncomfortable. I actually have my grandson Lane and

645
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 2: be with me, and he was trying to fall asleep

646
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 2: on like, you can't watch this. He's only you shouldn't

647
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 2: see this. So I did feel uncomfortable. But the fact

648
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: that it never grew from the physical part of it,

649
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 2: it was I think the biggest problem in the long run.

650
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 2: But so they did the thing where they had to

651
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 2: turn over a card and they're supposed to like feel

652
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: the energy from the card, and they turned it over

653
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: and it said witness. And then the shaman said, you're

654
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 2: supposed to the witness observes things but doesn't take action.

655
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 2: What have you observed in your life but you haven't

656
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: taken action about? And Nicole very fittingly says, my fear

657
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 2: of not being stable, and we're like, yeah, no shit.

658
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: So I was like, yeah, we know that you have

659
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 2: a stability issue, and she talks about that later in

660
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: the episode, but okay, stability was the issue. And then

661
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 2: Mel says, okay, I wrote it down because it was

662
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: something that I thought was really weird. Stress. So he

663
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: had already talked about like friction, and now he's talking

664
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: about stress. I'm like, we have a theme going on

665
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 2: here right now, and we're learning a little bit about

666
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: mel but I don't know if we're ever going to

667
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: learn any more about this. But there's something happening in

668
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: his life that is causing him stress and fortune. So

669
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: I wish we would hear the rest of that, but

670
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: so far we haven't, but maybe eventually we will.

671
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: Maybe it's got to be something from from the previous marriage.

672
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure, Yeah, you know you're in this scenario. Dating

673
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: is the number one thing. It's got to be something

674
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: along the lines of that.

675
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: It's got to be it, because it seems like his

676
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: kids are in good places, so like, so far.

677
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 3: That's I met them too at the RAM getting honored.

678
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 3: Yeah they were nice, the kids, nice kids.

679
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, they seem really good kids. But he they finally

680
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: are out of that weird chalman thing and they are

681
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: talking and he says to her, what are your where

682
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: do you see yourself in five years? And instead of saying,

683
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: you know, I want to have a companion and I

684
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: want to travel and I want to build a life

685
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 2: with somebody, and you know whatever, I love being a couple.

686
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: She talks about her cookbook, and she talks about her

687
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: financial situation my dad, Yeah, my dad says a lot

688
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: of money that she's like, I want to be you know,

689
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: I want to author this book book and oh and

690
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: my apartment is too small, but you live in this

691
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: nice house and I'd really like to live closer to

692
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: the ocean, like implying that she's ready to move in

693
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: with him just to make her like better because she

694
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: lives in a small apartment. She obviously don't have any money.

695
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: So that's when he finally in an interview that says,

696
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: I think I see some red flags here, and maybe

697
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: this was what Robin was talking about.

698
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like an episode Also that it didn't throw

699
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: him off when she's like, just give me a kiss,

700
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: like just for the camera, just for the.

701
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 3: Camera, that little cutaway.

702
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: It was really weird, a little moment that just said

703
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: a lot more than just the three little for the camera.

704
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,479
Speaker 2: You are so right just for the camera. And why

705
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: would you say it anyway, because like supposedly she was

706
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: into it, So I don't know, right, So let's just

707
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: move on from her because I think we all know

708
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 2: how we feel about her, and if somebody in the

709
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 2: entire world thinks anything differently, like she's there for the

710
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: right intentions.

711
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: Like also, Devil's Advocate is super quick before we move

712
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: on too, I know for a fact, especially that I've

713
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: been like out there dating, there's a lot of women

714
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: like that. Though there are a lot of women that

715
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: will relate to that as well, that are like they

716
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: do want to find somebody where they feel as if

717
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: they will be taken care of for the rest of

718
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: their days.

719
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: And it's not an insane feeling. You're just not in

720
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 3: the right setting to be acting and speaking on it

721
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 3: in that way.

722
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 2: And that seems to be the only reason why she's there,

723
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: Like she doesn't seem to care about the way he

724
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 2: feels or the way she feels about him. It's all

725
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: like getting to the end where she gets to live

726
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: in a nice house near the ocean. It seems to me.

727
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: So Then the last day with Carol and that, like

728
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 2: I kind of felt sorry for both of them. Carol

729
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: said she was having a really hard time settling down.

730
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: She's feeling this ankst. I think she's probably going over

731
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: the script in her head, saying I gotta say goodbye

732
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: even if this goes really well, which it generally doesn't,

733
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: because it's a lot of individual Like all these are

734
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: kind of individual like you know, you know, thinking about

735
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: yourself and about things you need to let go of.

736
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: So theirs was a very nondescript ate other than both

737
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: of them had to talk about something from their childhood

738
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: that was bad, and Mel said friendship, which I was

739
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: so surprised, like that he wished she could give his

740
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: you know, younger self was friendship, And that sounded so

741
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: weird because I felt like he came from this you know,

742
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: cool neighborhood in Detroit, in like his you know, his

743
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: original package from the first episode looks like he was

744
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: like the popular guy in the neighborhood. And I was

745
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: really surprised to say that. And then and then Carol

746
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: said something like connection and touch and that maybe she

747
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: hadn't like felt that as she was growing up, which

748
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: seemed very like, very unusual. But the big part of

749
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: this date was herself eliminating her saying like I originally saying,

750
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: I don't think you're where you need to be. You're

751
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: not gonna pick me to go in a hometown. It

752
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: sounded like what she was saying, But then in her

753
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,239
Speaker 2: interview she kind of backtrack on that a little bit

754
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: and she says, I just don't think Mel's my guy. Yeah,

755
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: and that kind of put it back on her that

756
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: she was taking more of the responsibility for like I

757
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: didn't connect with him, not that he didn't connect with me,

758
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: and I like that it gives her the power.

759
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

760
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: I think in any scenario where like maybe something doesn't

761
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: work out, you never should just blame the other person.

762
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 3: You know.

763
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: It takes two people to make a connection. It also

764
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: takes two people to split up, you know what I mean, Like, yep,

765
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: it is what it is. And I think rather than

766
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: just being like, ah, he didn't choose me, He's not this,

767
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: he's not that. She's just like, you know what, I

768
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: just I don't feel a connection, and clearly he doesn't

769
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: enough either to choose me for the one on one

770
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: and that's okay. You know, my person is out there somewhere, yeah,

771
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go find them, you know. And there's

772
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: no animosity behind it. There was nothing, there's no anger,

773
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: and he understood. He goes, Hey, I respect you, and

774
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: I respect that you stick to your word and that

775
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: you have to do what you gotta do it because and.

776
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: She's brave enough to do that. Yeah, because sometimes they just,

777
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: you know, I think that there are sometimes other women

778
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: feel like maybe the guy or the girl isn't theirs,

779
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 2: but they go although to the row ceremony and they

780
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: you know, let the person do the hard job of

781
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 2: not picking them. I like it when when the people

782
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: give themselves the power. I mean, if you don't feel

783
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 2: like you're connecting, then you should go ahead and self eliminate.

784
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with it. Take take the power back.

785
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 3: Hey, we love a strong woman, don't give him the power.

786
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 3: Come on, now, that's right.

787
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 2: I agree with you. So now we finally get to

788
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: see Cindy on a date, who I've been dying to

789
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: see on a date. I can't believe it came down

790
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 2: to the last one on one. I thought she would

791
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 2: have gotten a date a thousand times more, but here

792
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: we are, the last one on one, and she is

793
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: so grateful to have it, and I love that that

794
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 2: was kind of her sentiment.

795
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: And little Boots too, She's like, oh my god, this

796
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: is a hike. This dude was not the right shoe choice.

797
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: And then shows up and then it's horses and she's like,

798
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 1: fuck yeah, I got cowboy boots on about with Texas

799
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: around La.

800
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's ready to go.

801
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: I love her, and I think that he loves like

802
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: her Texas spirit. You know that she comes in cowboy

803
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: boots and these cute shorts, and she just has a

804
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: cute figure and she's adorable and she looks awesome in

805
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: those cowboy boots and she's just owning her home the

806
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: whole Texas and it kind of sets her apart from

807
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: everybody else else is you know, kind of dressing the same.

808
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 2: She's doing her things, she's doing her Texas girl things.

809
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 2: So I think he likes that. He likes a little

810
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: bit of that spunk. And we can see that he

811
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: likes spunk because he really likes it in Peg. So

812
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: I'm glad Siddy's bringing a little bit of that into

813
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: the whole thing. So they take the horses up to

814
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: the observatory observatory which is beautiful, and going up there,

815
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: I'm dying to go there. So next time coming, I'm

816
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 2: calling you, we're gonna go. Really want to go. I

817
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: would love to do that.

818
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: You have on the horses that was one of my

819
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: favorite moments in the whole, Like episode two is like,

820
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: she's this guy, Yeah, I played football, Like I'm not

821
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 1: going to get intimidated by a damn horse riding along.

822
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 3: You can see the panic on his face and he's like, Nope,

823
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 3: not mean no. She's sitting there watching and she's like, okay,

824
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 3: big guy, and she's just.

825
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: She's having the grand old time, just laughing her ass

826
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: off at him internally that he's like kind of petrified.

827
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: So they finally get up to the top and we

828
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: finally get to know Cindy, Like she talks about her

829
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: past and that she had a failed marriage, which came

830
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 2: as a surprised her, and she talked about her daughters

831
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 2: and talked about how hard it was, and I feel

832
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: like we finally got to know, like she was the

833
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 2: perfect Cindy up until now, and then you get to

834
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 2: see the vulnerable in the side of her. I don't

835
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: think that he though joined in like that would have

836
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: been a perfect opportunity because he had a failed marriage

837
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: to talk about his and he didn't. Didn't talk about

838
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: his struggles, didn't talk about raising those sons, you know,

839
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 2: without the wife. I mean I know that they had

840
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: shared custody, but still I felt like an opportunity for

841
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 2: them to really connect on that and it didn't happen.

842
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: I was a little disappointed, but in the end of

843
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 2: the whole thing, I felt like they had a really

844
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: good connection. First of all, there was a lot of

845
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: making out, so the physical connection was there. I felt like,

846
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 2: I'm like, finally gets him, and it sounds like when

847
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 2: she was talking to him on that date, she said,

848
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: you know, I talked about being a Biomican engineer and

849
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: a cheerleader and a valedictorian.

850
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 3: She was, but I got such a badass.

851
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a badass, right. I know, I'm dying

852
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: to talk to her, and we're talking to her for

853
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: the next episode. But I feel like she has all

854
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: these successes in her life, but then she had a

855
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 2: field marriage and that's what she's sticking like, that's what's

856
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: sticking in her right now. So I love that she

857
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 2: got to talk about it. I wish he had opened

858
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 2: up about his but in the long run, I feel

859
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: like they had a really good connection. So I was

860
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 2: going into this Rose ceremony thinking I knew he was

861
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 2: going to choose I I felt bad when when Carol

862
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 2: self eliminated because she was kind of on my list

863
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: of maybe a maybe, but I knew he wasn't going

864
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 2: to choose Nicole Nope. So then it just came down

865
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 2: to a couple.

866
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: So talking about surprisingly well, yeah, which I was, I

867
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: was kind of shocked about.

868
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 3: I could have easily saw her like maybe having a

869
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 3: little fit or a tiff where it was.

870
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: Like I didn't think she hadn't won it well at all.

871
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: I thought so inappropriate when she came out to the limousine,

872
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: so he said, can I walk you out? And so

873
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: did they walk up the limiting and what does she say?

874
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 2: I wrote it down so I could quote this. Okay,

875
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 2: she says, if it doesn't work out with the one

876
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: you pick, and it probably won't, then call me. And

877
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: then she said I really mean that. That was terrible.

878
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 3: Okay.

879
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: See, I just I imagined her going in a direction

880
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 1: of like fuck you, like this isn't it You should

881
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: have picked me? Like you messed up. That's like I was,

882
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 1: I was the one that was here for you. I'm

883
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,959
Speaker 1: fully like invested in you, not like look at.

884
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,959
Speaker 2: Me, I'm prettier than everybody, Like, yes, I couldn't.

885
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 3: Seen something like that, but for her to just be like, Okay,

886
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 3: that's fine. Watch watch it, watch it fail, watch its. Yeah,

887
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 3: here I'll be here.

888
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 2: I'll be here. You call me. Okay. So he picks

889
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: his three, So he picks Cindy, he picks her first.

890
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: I always wonder if the order makes a difference. I

891
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: don't know. He piped Peg a second, and then he

892
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 2: pipped Debbie third. So Cheryl didn't get a rose and

893
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: Nicole didn't get a rose, and so I kind of

894
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 2: thought that maybe Cheryl might not get a rose, and

895
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 2: I kind of thought that Nicole might not get a rose. Well,

896
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: I know Nicole wasn't gonna rose, but I thought Cheryl

897
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 2: might not. But I kind of in my mind it

898
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: was between Cheryl and Peg. I wasn't sure he was

899
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: going to give Peg a rose. So I love his

900
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 2: final three. I think that they are all so different.

901
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 3: Type.

902
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: I can't figure out his type. So but oh and

903
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 2: then okay, Nicole already campaigning maybe I'll be the next

904
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: Golden Bachelorette.

905
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

906
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, Nicole, if there was a list of

907
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: like a multiple choice of things that I was I

908
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: thought she might say in her car at home that

909
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: would have been my first choice, so of course already

910
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: that is that was more on brand for what I

911
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: thought she might try to say.

912
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 2: We should now move on because it's time for this

913
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 2: podcast to end. I mean, it was so fun being

914
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 2: you're talking through episode five because I thought it was

915
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 2: a great episode and I love recapping it with you.

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00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 2: So let's say goodbye to everybody, by everybody, and we

917
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Speaker 2: will be back with our interview with Cindy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I can't wait.