Speaker 1: This, He's Talking Cowboys, screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: World headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Say here are
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought us, Rob Phillips and Taylor Stern.
Speaker 1: What's up? Welcome to Talking Cowboys and welcome to NFL
Speaker 1: Draft Week, final show before the Draft kicks off Thursday
Speaker 1: night at at and T Stadium, and we've got you
Speaker 1: covered inside the SWBC Mortgage studio. Rob Phillips filling in
Speaker 1: for Taylor in the hosting chair, David Hellman across from
Speaker 1: me filling in for Tay. Hi. Hi, that was Mark
Speaker 1: Kelsey than Taylor. That's fine. We love call too. There
Speaker 1: you go. KNK Garrison producing next door with that wonderful drop.
Speaker 1: Brian brought us and Mickey Spagnola in as always, what's up, guys, Hey,
Speaker 1: you guys ready, you guys ready for this countdown to
Speaker 1: be over? It's very much so. Yes, Brian, you've looked
Speaker 1: at eighteen hundred players roughly times yeah, times six, yeah,
Speaker 1: three hundred, three hundred total and he's only been talking
Speaker 1: about this for four months? What did you start with it? Thanksgiving?
Speaker 1: When we I usually do it when there was still
Speaker 1: some question about whether this team was and still in
Speaker 1: the playoff hunt, and I used, but I usually started
Speaker 1: December fifth. And that's kind of the way that, uh,
Speaker 1: why do you do that, Brian? Is it kind of
Speaker 1: an homage? It's that I if I don't if I
Speaker 1: don't do it, then I won't get into the three
Speaker 1: hundred players done that kind I had start. You didn't
Speaker 1: wait till they lost the Seattle No, I've I have
Speaker 1: the last one, the one that it really all started
Speaker 1: when way back when ROMA was laying on the field
Speaker 1: against Carolina, That's what I was getting at. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I was Thanksgiving Day and I was sitting in the
Speaker 1: press box and I texted Jeff, Jeff Cavanaugh, Kevin Turner.
Speaker 1: I said, draft preps starts Tuesday. Be ready, and they
Speaker 1: both takes that, gack, we're on it. And so that's
Speaker 1: when that's it's traditionally December fifth. So that's kind of
Speaker 1: my new bracing himself. He's bracing himself for the thought
Speaker 1: of no playoffs, you know, because you didn't start. You
Speaker 1: didn't start in December in sixteen. You know, I did
Speaker 1: not you knew you had playoffs to worry about sixteen.
Speaker 1: I did I did, but yeah, it's a nice way
Speaker 1: to kind of it's like your head and your bets like, well,
Speaker 1: it might as well get started just in case we don't.
Speaker 1: There's two there's two or three weeks where you don't,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't do anything, we don't get the
Speaker 1: watch tape, I'll go out and have to go do
Speaker 1: things and stuff. And so if I don't, I've learned
Speaker 1: if I don't put it by then, I mean I
Speaker 1: looked at my last three three hundredth player yesterday. That
Speaker 1: was it, and and here I am, like, what two
Speaker 1: three days before the draft, So that's always been my
Speaker 1: number to try and get to three hundred. Is that
Speaker 1: your mister irrelevant guy? Or is that just it's not
Speaker 1: necessarily by talent. Yeah, yeah he was. Uh it was.
Speaker 1: It was he was not mister irrelevant, but he was
Speaker 1: a seventh round guy. Yeah, it was. It was just
Speaker 1: to know a guy. That's the great thing about our
Speaker 1: Draft show and our Draft Cabbage, I think everybody involved
Speaker 1: is that when you listen to us, it's it's we
Speaker 1: can talk about all the picks. You know, Dame Burglar
Speaker 1: will give you a scouting report about mister irrelevant and
Speaker 1: last year we were able to give it, I think,
Speaker 1: or thus you're two years ago? Was it Kelly from
Speaker 1: Old Miss Yeah, we all kind of had a Chad
Speaker 1: Kelly all had an idea. So, yeah, draft courbage is
Speaker 1: worth kind of hanging out with us because we do
Speaker 1: take it pretty serious. A good thing. You weren't there
Speaker 1: in the seventies when they went seventeen rounds and probably
Speaker 1: figure out I got a real quick story if you
Speaker 1: don't mind it. Yeah, when I was at the Green
Speaker 1: Bay my first draft in ninety two was twelve rounds.
Speaker 1: Twelve rounds, so that was the only the only time
Speaker 1: I ever had to go through a twelve round draft.
Speaker 1: But there was a gentleman that was that worked with
Speaker 1: Vince Lombardi named Dave Hanner, Dave hog Hanner, it was
Speaker 1: his name, And Dave was a scout with us in
Speaker 1: Green Bay and he was a coach on Lombardi staff
Speaker 1: in the sixties. And this is when they had the
Speaker 1: seventeen round draft and they had to catch the train
Speaker 1: to go play. This is when the draft was during
Speaker 1: the season. They would do it at either end of
Speaker 1: November or sometime in December. So yeah, so Hoggy had
Speaker 1: to go catch the train. The team was going to
Speaker 1: play the West Coast Swing with the Rams and the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers, so he had to get the train
Speaker 1: to get out there. Well, they got into like the
Speaker 1: seventeenth round. He left three names for the administrative assistant
Speaker 1: one of the ladies, and he says, if any one
Speaker 1: of these guys is still there picking so in here
Speaker 1: in the seventeenth round, an administrative assistant for the Green
Speaker 1: Bay Packers. She made the pick, you know, and he
Speaker 1: had to go catch the train. He goes, I don't
Speaker 1: have time to work on this and where I gotta go. God,
Speaker 1: that sounds like a fantasy draft where you like kind
Speaker 1: of set you out at guys. Yeah, I got who
Speaker 1: I want. Just here's my auto list for the rest
Speaker 1: of this. I gotta go to a birthday party. Say,
Speaker 1: a twelve round draft is it's exhausting. It really is.
Speaker 1: And we Kath think we did in two days. That's
Speaker 1: too much. It was it was, you know, it was incredible,
Speaker 1: but it great experience, a lot of fun, really enjoyed happy.
Speaker 1: The drafts here though, sound like we got a lot
Speaker 1: of good things going on with it. Sounded so that
Speaker 1: that sounds like when that's how Larry Brown got drafted.
Speaker 1: It was twelfth round and Jimmy got tired and he
Speaker 1: walked out and he basically said, just grab somebody close. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they don't have to pay money to pay him
Speaker 1: to fly in. And it's like, oh, they got a
Speaker 1: cornerback at TCU, let's bring him in. Wow, weren't that
Speaker 1: okay in a Super Bowl? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, So yeah,
Speaker 1: drafts are strange. Lady strange, lady. Put it on a
Speaker 1: T shirt here. We had him outside of at and
Speaker 1: T Stadium. Wish we had Drew Pearson last night up
Speaker 1: at the Cowboy Club and he was explaining to the
Speaker 1: folks how he sat there for two days at four
Speaker 1: hundred and forty some picks, sure, and he didn't get taken,
Speaker 1: and he said, talk about being humbled. And then immediately
Speaker 1: when the draft was over, the phone rang. It was
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, the Packers, and the Steelers. Yeah, so he said, well,
Speaker 1: I didn't feel so bad. At least three good teams
Speaker 1: liked me one time, and we drafted a kid named
Speaker 1: Derek Mays in Green Bay. Just before call waiting. I
Speaker 1: talked to him on the phone for two hours to
Speaker 1: keep other teams from calling in to pick him. I
Speaker 1: can't believe he didn't hang up on you. Yeah, talk
Speaker 1: to him. What do you talk him to him? I
Speaker 1: don't talk to him. Derek mays with school Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: So there's plenty of things to remember that guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Derek made second round pick for the Packers, and I talked.
Speaker 1: I kept him on the phone for two hours, philibuster,
Speaker 1: I did. That's azing. And so ron Wolf walked in
Speaker 1: and goes, tell him he's a tell him he's a
Speaker 1: green Bay Packer and I'm like, Derek, long journey over,
Speaker 1: congratulationshire packer. He goes, that's great, man, I appreciate. So
Speaker 1: we had this friendship when he came to Green Bay.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he played a he was a good player
Speaker 1: out of Notre Dame. But yeah, before call waiting, we
Speaker 1: drafted a kid one time two that the fourth cell
Speaker 1: phones really that he was in the movies. Third round,
Speaker 1: we just took him. We you know where it's it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: Antonio Freeman draft him in the third round, like you
Speaker 1: couldn't get hold of him, could't get ahold him as
Speaker 1: he was gone. He did, he wasn't around his phone. Wow.
Speaker 1: So we just said, well, let's take him anyway, and
Speaker 1: we drafted him. But he didn't know he got drafted
Speaker 1: until he got home and got a message that we'd
Speaker 1: picked him in the third round. What a weird, What
Speaker 1: a weird, thought my cell phone. How times have changed?
Speaker 1: Yeah about that in the draft magazine talked to Gil
Speaker 1: Brand about how it's evolved just just a little bit,
Speaker 1: just a b from a little conference room and all. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And they used to, you know, and it wasn't that
Speaker 1: long ago, probably went through the nineties where when it
Speaker 1: free agency began after the draft, you would send your
Speaker 1: scouts to certain spots and sit on this guy and
Speaker 1: make sure the minute the drafts over, you go knock
Speaker 1: on the door. We did that, and we sent a coach,
Speaker 1: We sent a defensive line coach to all the way
Speaker 1: from Green Bay to Los Angeles. Bruce Walker was and
Speaker 1: we a matter of fact, our coach was knocked on
Speaker 1: the door after draft to try and sign him. And
Speaker 1: he says, I'm gonna go to the Jets. And he's like, okay.
Speaker 1: And so when he called back, we're like, Larry, did
Speaker 1: you get the guy? And he goes, no, he went
Speaker 1: to the Jets. We're all like Larry. You were the
Speaker 1: only person there. How did you lose him? You had
Speaker 1: to face the yeah you had. He goes, no, the
Speaker 1: kid want to go the Jets And I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: you were sent to go recruit this kid. Have you
Speaker 1: ever recruited a kid? He's like, he want to go
Speaker 1: the Jets. That's the last time we ever sent a
Speaker 1: coach out to do that, the very last. That's how
Speaker 1: the Cowboys got Drew. They had Bob Griffin their scout
Speaker 1: in Tulsa. Bob Griffin, good scout, And as soon as
Speaker 1: the draft was over, he was the first one to call,
Speaker 1: and he was in town at the hotel and said, Hey,
Speaker 1: come on over, Hey, great recruit. About the story about
Speaker 1: Sean Payton and Tony Romo. He talked about somebody talked
Speaker 1: to a player. For two hours. He constantly was telling
Speaker 1: Tony Romo what was going on. A lot of really
Speaker 1: good recruiting on his part to get that done. I
Speaker 1: spoke to Sean at the combine for a Deep Blue
Speaker 1: were doing on Bill Parcellas and the O three season,
Speaker 1: and basically got to the point where he said, Bill,
Speaker 1: you gotta get on the phone yeah with him to
Speaker 1: seal the deal. Yeah, because it I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: cutting it or I'm not you know. He was trying, man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was trying, you know, and he wound up taking
Speaker 1: I think ten grand lesson signing bonus just too because
Speaker 1: he saw opportunity. Hey, one of the great closers on
Speaker 1: the phone is Jerry. You get Jerry will get the mom,
Speaker 1: the dad, the great he will. He will get everybody
Speaker 1: on the phone and buy the end of it. You're
Speaker 1: giving him money, you know, I mean they're there, but
Speaker 1: he is one of the You put Jerry Jones on
Speaker 1: the phone to get a kid to come here. It
Speaker 1: is it is, it is money. Just move the tag
Speaker 1: from over here to your board because he is. He's
Speaker 1: one of the best. When it comes to clothing. Just
Speaker 1: don't go in his office unless you're buying. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: if you don't want to, don't go in because I
Speaker 1: will buy whatever he's selling. It used to be so
Speaker 1: amazed how he ran a draft. You know, you could
Speaker 1: get on him about the picks and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: but he would get people. He could convince general managers
Speaker 1: to tell them who he was gonna they were gonna take.
Speaker 1: And usually when you call it general manager will say
Speaker 1: what he here, We're gonna go offense here, okay, thanks,
Speaker 1: click the phone. Hey, they're going offense. Jerry is getting
Speaker 1: general managers. Do tell them who he's they're gonna take,
Speaker 1: and then that way. Now we're like, hey, man, we
Speaker 1: could trade down they're not taking our guy. We could
Speaker 1: trade down here. You know, he's one of the best
Speaker 1: when it came to work in a phone. The greatness
Speaker 1: got to be an art to that. Oh, it says
Speaker 1: he knows how to do a deal. Yeah, he knows
Speaker 1: how he can convince you that you need to be
Speaker 1: a part of this. That's what he does. Go look
Speaker 1: at those offices across the word. Sure, yeah, they're full.
Speaker 1: They're full. They're full. You don't need to rent this space. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll see what Jerry and the Cowboys get done Thursday
Speaker 1: through Saturday. And you guys have a draft show tonight. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we worry about a day. Come on out to Henry's
Speaker 1: in Plano on Legacy from five to seven. We'll be there.
Speaker 1: We'll be talking about Miller Light, we'll be talking about
Speaker 1: the draft, throwing back some bruise, talking football. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be dope lovely, all right, Listen, to this somewhere else. Yes,
Speaker 1: you can. Yeah, it's it's all on all our regular
Speaker 1: stuff at Dallas Cowboys dot com. Absolute. Why wouldn't you
Speaker 1: want to come to the bar man? You can have
Speaker 1: a right down on the street. I like Henry's it's
Speaker 1: good playing bar. It's gonna be in the bar area
Speaker 1: or the little room in the back. Don't know the end.
Speaker 1: We will figure that out and we get there. But yeah,
Speaker 1: like they've said, five to seven, come on by two
Speaker 1: hours of Draft Talk yet talk. Yeah, all right, we'll
Speaker 1: w y'all do a great job of diving into prospects,
Speaker 1: and we can do that a little bit today. But
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do for the last show before
Speaker 1: the draft here on Talk Cowboys is just kind of
Speaker 1: go down the list of needs for the Cowboys, where
Speaker 1: they stand, what they've done in the offseason, position by position.
Speaker 1: We can just run through it and see kind of
Speaker 1: where they are. We know some of the big needs.
Speaker 1: What are maybe some other ones that they could have
Speaker 1: at some point in rounds one through seven. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna go down the list, fellas, how about this? Cool? Go?
Speaker 1: Let's start with quarterback? Sure, what do you think where
Speaker 1: do they address it, if at all, Where do you
Speaker 1: think they stand behind dak right now? Saturday afternoon un
Speaker 1: or Saturday evening with a fifth to seventh round pick
Speaker 1: or a priority free agent signed after the draft? Maybe two? Maybe?
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, yeah, they'll take two quarterbacks to camp,
Speaker 1: but two more right when they'll take four to camp. Yes,
Speaker 1: they'll take two new ones to camp. Yeah, sorry, um,
Speaker 1: but one of them? I think I mean the joke.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that much of a joke. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be surprised if Matt Lanahan's on this
Speaker 1: team by the time it's all said and done. He's
Speaker 1: a quarterback out of Idaho. He's related to one of
Speaker 1: the decision makers here. I had his breakfast with his
Speaker 1: dad this morning. Do you ask him about it? I
Speaker 1: asked him it said he's got He says that. He
Speaker 1: says there's ten teams that are interested in him right now.
Speaker 1: He says he's really comfortable about the free agent route.
Speaker 1: If he gets picked, great, he'd love to go, But
Speaker 1: he says a free agency he gets a crack. He
Speaker 1: says he'd like to You know, that way, a free
Speaker 1: agency you can kind of choose where you want to go.
Speaker 1: You can kind of look at a roster and say, hey,
Speaker 1: I got a chance to be a third there, or
Speaker 1: I could be a practice squad guy. So he's gonna
Speaker 1: he's excited. But yeah, I talked to Scott about it
Speaker 1: this morning and he's looking forward to it again. Ten teams. Interesting,
Speaker 1: But how much Tony Romo put that into his decision
Speaker 1: to come here when he looked at the quarterbacks and said, huh, yeah,
Speaker 1: just give me a chance. I did. I look up? Yeah,
Speaker 1: in Denver were the two teams that were involved. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Shanahan being a Western Illinois selling point that story. Eastern Illinois.
Speaker 1: It was Parcels and those guys, the Cowboys. Brass told him, look,
Speaker 1: the competition is settled in Denver. It's not settled here, right,
Speaker 1: And that's ultimately what drove him. Yeah, worked out pretty good. Okay,
Speaker 1: So for a guy that late Lalta, yeah, he's probably
Speaker 1: more probably maybe a day two guy, Mickey, Oh, you're
Speaker 1: not gonna make it to throw. No, No, you're you're,
Speaker 1: you're you're kind of in that quarterback quarterback sucks to
Speaker 1: figure out because these guys always it does these guys
Speaker 1: always get drafted. I mean we're we're talking about maybe
Speaker 1: Josh Allen going number one overall in the draft. That's ludicrous,
Speaker 1: This shouldn't happen. But quarterbacks a special type of deal.
Speaker 1: That's I mean. Mason Rudolph, well, you got a fourth
Speaker 1: round grade on him. Yeah, fifth round grade. Actually, excuse
Speaker 1: be a fourth round grade. You're right, he could. He
Speaker 1: could go in the first round or or very early
Speaker 1: on Day two. Loletta could be a Day two guy.
Speaker 1: Mike White, Mike White's another West to Kentucky. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: like that's I feel like they I bet they want
Speaker 1: to spend a draft pick on a quarterback, but I
Speaker 1: wonder if anybody they like will still be there when
Speaker 1: they're ready to draft one, you know, because they have
Speaker 1: six seven exact I mean, yeah, they've got three six
Speaker 1: round picks. And like you're talking about Mickey though, there's
Speaker 1: kids like the fawk kid at Washington State would be
Speaker 1: a guy Ben Kirk from Virginia, Virginia Lytton, you know,
Speaker 1: and Marshall Marshall and then Woodside from Toledo. Those are
Speaker 1: the kind of the names you're you're talking about right now.
Speaker 1: Loletta would be a guy that once the five go he's,
Speaker 1: like Dave said, he's in the mix with White and
Speaker 1: Rudolph and those guys had an excellent Senior Bowl. Correct, Absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just want I mean those a ball really well.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I feel like I'd be surprised if
Speaker 1: they want a draft one before like the fifth round.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but as a guy that they like still
Speaker 1: gonna be there by the time those rounds roll around,
Speaker 1: which is why I wouldn't be surprised if they just
Speaker 1: signed a priority free agent either that they may have
Speaker 1: a late round grade, only that might still be We
Speaker 1: did a mock draft just send the draft show and
Speaker 1: didn't pick a quarterback. Yeah no, we just kind of
Speaker 1: kind of went by position by position but didn't grab
Speaker 1: a quarterback. But in a lot of our mock drafts
Speaker 1: we've done for Dallas Cowboys dot Com, we seem to
Speaker 1: pick a quarterback at some point in time. As Duch
Speaker 1: told us at the combine, Sorry, Dave, there's some interest
Speaker 1: in developing another young guy. But dak over they didn't
Speaker 1: sign a vet, you know, and they've got Cooper Rush,
Speaker 1: so that kind of makes sense to potentially draft a
Speaker 1: guy late. But I don't I don't view it as
Speaker 1: a big enough need that they would force it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And and for for all the
Speaker 1: people listening that you know, like, well you don't you're
Speaker 1: not settled on Dak. You gotta blah blah blah. Okay,
Speaker 1: even if that's how you feel. If if, if Dak
Speaker 1: is a problem to the point where you got to
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback, do that next year with a much
Speaker 1: better pick. You know that that's I mean, that's a
Speaker 1: waste of a pick this year in my opinion. All Right,
Speaker 1: we rolled down the list running back. We know they're
Speaker 1: set with Zeke, They like Rod Smith. Beyond that, okay,
Speaker 1: Alfred Morris is a free agent, has not been res
Speaker 1: hind or signed anywhere else he won't be signed. So
Speaker 1: all you got is Williams. Yeah, Tray running back, Trey Williams.
Speaker 1: So you need one, yeah, And you need the I
Speaker 1: think we've talked about it before, the little toy running back,
Speaker 1: the Lance Dunbarer replacement. Can I convince you to take it?
Speaker 1: Just a legitimate running back. That's what I would rather do,
Speaker 1: to be perfect. If you know, what's a situation. And
Speaker 1: we all hope that things work out with Zeke, But
Speaker 1: and and We've seen some positive things from Rod Smith,
Speaker 1: but not as an every down type player. If something
Speaker 1: were to happen, would you want somebody that is legitimately
Speaker 1: carried the ball a bunch more so than the toy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I gotta do that though, to get a quality one,
Speaker 1: fourth round, fourth round, fifth round. Still, this is a
Speaker 1: deep class. Yeah. Yeah, the kid the kid they brought
Speaker 1: in Edo Smith as a smaller guy. But then you're
Speaker 1: talking about names. If you want to go like at
Speaker 1: eighty one that you know that would be like Hines
Speaker 1: would be that. Yeah, yeah, you know, we've talked about
Speaker 1: Walton Kelly. Those are two guys. Walton from Miami, Kelly
Speaker 1: from Tennessee and Hinds kind of a smaller He's he's
Speaker 1: he's more. I think you can hand him the ball down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can hand him the ball because that's a guy
Speaker 1: I kind of like. I'll tell you the guy you
Speaker 1: should really talk about is the Wadley kid from Iowa.
Speaker 1: That's who I would look like him. I like him
Speaker 1: a lot. While about the LSU guy for a real
Speaker 1: running back, Darryl Hell yeah, L sign me up. I
Speaker 1: don't think that. I don't know that they would do it.
Speaker 1: But I love that guy. I think he's a little
Speaker 1: bit more of a later guy yeah than that, but
Speaker 1: he's a kind of a oh he's sure, he's total running,
Speaker 1: he's a he's a hoss about big guy. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just I mean, Zeke's already got a strike on his record.
Speaker 1: That's something worth keeping an eye on. As much as
Speaker 1: I like Rod Smith, he's just got one year left
Speaker 1: on his deal. So you know, I absolutely think they
Speaker 1: should draft a running back. Probably again, not till day
Speaker 1: Three's your answer. Okay, it's a need, but not a
Speaker 1: need that should be keeping anybody up at night. A
Speaker 1: day two to day three need. Probably more of a
Speaker 1: day profferably day three, day three unless you just love
Speaker 1: Nihiem Hines if you just absolutely got to have them. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's a good spot to break and come
Speaker 1: back with wide receiver, oh boy, and discuss that position
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Speaker 1: that note, welcome back to the s WBC Morning studio
Speaker 1: and Talk Cowboys. We are rolling through position by position
Speaker 1: needs for your Dallas Cowboys as the draft years. We
Speaker 1: covered quarterback, running back, and wide receivers next, and that's
Speaker 1: kind of a need for this team. Is it? Is? That?
Speaker 1: Is that what they're saying, saying? You got an audience, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's what they're saying these days. Yeah, hello, welcome so
Speaker 1: wide receiver huh yeah, post does Bryant? Okay, go get
Speaker 1: me one first or second round or bust? Nah? First, second, third, yeah,
Speaker 1: third round or bust. Brian. I'll tell you what. We
Speaker 1: did a mock draft yesterday. They got actually a guy.
Speaker 1: They visited James Washington all the way down round yeah,
Speaker 1: third round eight, third round yeah. And I mean we
Speaker 1: felt pretty true about the mock draft the way it rolled,
Speaker 1: but we we had a we had a discussion to
Speaker 1: make and this kind of gets into something else, if
Speaker 1: you want to get into a little further is that Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: We ran into this problem yesterday. We were trying to
Speaker 1: determine after taking vander esh at nineteen, would you try
Speaker 1: and go back up for a wide receiver at thirty
Speaker 1: seven with the Colts, and we determined it would be
Speaker 1: a little bit of an overpay yep, to have to
Speaker 1: give your eighty one to go do it, but that's
Speaker 1: what it's probably going to take. Well, we've talked about
Speaker 1: how there's a and y'all have plenty on the Draft show.
Speaker 1: There's a group of receivers that, all right, maybe you
Speaker 1: wouldn't take at nineteen, but they're probably not gonna last
Speaker 1: to fifty. Yeah. Well wait, yeah, we ended up now
Speaker 1: again they appear to like Courtland Sutton from SMU quite
Speaker 1: a bit. So Courtland Sutton we were thinking about it.
Speaker 1: We said, no, we're gonna sit and just wait for
Speaker 1: our pick at fifty. Well what happened then is the
Speaker 1: Colts took him at thirty seven. So now are you
Speaker 1: kicking yourself for not trying to make the deal? Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that going to be the trade up in this
Speaker 1: in this draft? But I gotta give up a third
Speaker 1: to get there. You gotta go. You're gonna lose. Probably
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose an opportunity to draft a safety at
Speaker 1: safety at eighty one or a guard that's your guard spot.
Speaker 1: Third round. That's where I come down on this, which
Speaker 1: I mean, I would like for this team to draft
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. I don't think it's a but you
Speaker 1: don't want You don't want Courtland Sutton. It's your problem.
Speaker 1: I don't. No, I don't want Courtland Sutton if I
Speaker 1: have to give up pick eighty one to get him,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. Okay, Well, then the way it rolled, we
Speaker 1: just let it go. We took Anthony Miller, the wide
Speaker 1: receiver from Memphis, which is a very good play in
Speaker 1: the second in the second round. Okay, So here's my question.
Speaker 1: So how many wide receivers do you think will go
Speaker 1: in the first What made one to three? One to three? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So the gap difference between those one to three to
Speaker 1: what you would get in the second or third round.
Speaker 1: My my, I had no problem taking Anthony Miller at
Speaker 1: fifty because he's my first player in the second round,
Speaker 1: my top receiver in the second round. I have Sutton
Speaker 1: behind him, Okay, and then Gallop in Washington. Now, all
Speaker 1: those guys win the second round. But we kind of
Speaker 1: were thinking the way the draft fell, we thought there
Speaker 1: was going to be a run on receivers at the
Speaker 1: top of the board. There really wasn't. It was a
Speaker 1: run on corners. Yeah, is what happened. That'd be a
Speaker 1: good thing. So so yeah, but we had a chop
Speaker 1: chance to pick Miller. They might not like Miller, they
Speaker 1: might not We like Miller, they like Washington. No, hecames
Speaker 1: a guy that thirty visited. Can we talk about this
Speaker 1: in a little bit more ambiguous terms, Just pull pull
Speaker 1: back from the names from the guys on the cover
Speaker 1: of this magazine real quick. How do you feel about
Speaker 1: wide receiver right now? Yeah? I could go play a
Speaker 1: game with the guys you have. I've said this on
Speaker 1: the show. Alan Hearns has to be the guy they
Speaker 1: signed him to play. In my opinion, Dez Bryant's position
Speaker 1: pending what happens in the draft. You signed him thinking
Speaker 1: he could be a guy that starts for you. Yeah, So, Mick,
Speaker 1: can this team play and win games with what they
Speaker 1: have or do they have to have a guy? I
Speaker 1: think they would be okay, but I think they need
Speaker 1: a guy. All right, Draft expert, how many of these
Speaker 1: guys do you think can make a real instant impact?
Speaker 1: I think if you draft more, I think I think
Speaker 1: the top two can make an impact. I think Ridley
Speaker 1: and More can make an impact. I don't know if
Speaker 1: Sudden necessarily can. I don't feel confident feel confident about
Speaker 1: Miller though. I don't feel I'll get I'll even give
Speaker 1: you Miller, I'll give you Anthony Miller. I don't feel
Speaker 1: confidence at any buddy else after those three is ready
Speaker 1: to just step in and take Alan Huns or Terrence
Speaker 1: Williams job. But we're what we've determined on this show.
Speaker 1: While last week was that if you just get Alan
Speaker 1: Hurns to play at Dez Bryant's last year's numbers, would
Speaker 1: you feel good about that? Absolutely? Okay, But that's the
Speaker 1: sorry go ahead. I feel like though that to me,
Speaker 1: I know where you're going here. Receiver I don't think
Speaker 1: it's the absolute. I think linebacker is more of a
Speaker 1: problem myself. The point I'm trying to make is that
Speaker 1: it seems unlikely unless you pick somebody at nineteen, basically
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley or DJ Moore, Right, you're not going to
Speaker 1: get a guy that's gonna make this splash impact. I
Speaker 1: don't trust that Courtland Sutton and James Washington are ready
Speaker 1: to step in and catch more than twenty or thirty
Speaker 1: passes this well, you know what about eventually? Sure, eventually,
Speaker 1: but then and that that goes back to my whole point,
Speaker 1: which is that receiver. If you're drafting a receiver in
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, you're doing it for twenty nineteen and beyond.
Speaker 1: Now one of your starting receivers did have offseason surgery
Speaker 1: and now yeah, it's only a fifth Meta Tarsl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think by training camp they feel like
Speaker 1: he'll be fine. For sure, he's probably gonna miss him
Speaker 1: off season work, Terrence Williams. But it is something to consider. Okay,
Speaker 1: So these wide receivers compared to previous top wide receivers,
Speaker 1: would they if the need wasn't there for a wide receiver,
Speaker 1: would they be that high in the first round, sort
Speaker 1: of like the quarterbacks are currently up there right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like they're worthy first round grades. They are absolutely okay,
Speaker 1: both both Ridley and and more More, they're clearly they're
Speaker 1: clearly not on the level of past years though becoming
Speaker 1: we've seen it, we've seen those guys. Also, like you said,
Speaker 1: struggle the first year, said okay, so let's compare a
Speaker 1: Marie Cooper, Well, he was the one guy Cooper's come in.
Speaker 1: If you gave me a choice between Ridley and Cooper,
Speaker 1: I'm taking Cooper, Yeah, Ridley or a Cooper and more
Speaker 1: I'm taking I've got more over Ridley for me. He's
Speaker 1: saying more, No, I meant compared to Cooper. Yeah, Cooper.
Speaker 1: Cooper to me is better than any one of these
Speaker 1: receivers that are in the first So are these receivers
Speaker 1: sort of like the quarterbacks probably in this draft, if
Speaker 1: it wasn't a quarterback from a talent standpoint, they wouldn't
Speaker 1: be five of them in the first ten picks. I
Speaker 1: hear what you're saying. See when you talk about Cooper
Speaker 1: and those guys, those were guys were like legitimate top
Speaker 1: ten picks, you know, top twelve picks right legitimate. I
Speaker 1: don't see. I don't see if you look at my
Speaker 1: top thirty. If you look at my top thirty, I
Speaker 1: don't have. I don't like to say I have. I
Speaker 1: look at it in my first receivers at ten, that's
Speaker 1: it more and then Calvin Ridley's at twelve. So I
Speaker 1: think I would have Cooper and those guys much higher
Speaker 1: than I would have these. I think this is a
Speaker 1: deep receiver class, but the top of the class is
Speaker 1: weaker than in previous years. Yeah, that was my end point.
Speaker 1: That's so second round, third round. I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to give up. And you know, Courtland Sutton could
Speaker 1: become a stud in the same way Des did. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that's impossible, but I don't like the idea
Speaker 1: of giving up two of my best picks to get
Speaker 1: a guy. The learning curve for him is a lot,
Speaker 1: a lot that's steeper. So for if I tell you
Speaker 1: you can trade you got a trade up from fifty
Speaker 1: and give up eighty one to do it to get Sutton,
Speaker 1: or you can just hope that James Washington's there for
Speaker 1: you at eighty one. That seems like a no brainer
Speaker 1: to me. Just wait for the guy. Yeah, because I
Speaker 1: we go back to I feel like they've tried to
Speaker 1: cover themselves at that position actually where you don't have
Speaker 1: to give up a bunch of resources. There's no there's
Speaker 1: no question you have two years. You have two years, right,
Speaker 1: and Burns signed a two year draft. You could draft
Speaker 1: one of these guys at eighty one and then next
Speaker 1: year you take your shot and hope somebody's there for
Speaker 1: you in the first rounds you like better. We got
Speaker 1: to Washington, got all the way down to Pittsburgh at
Speaker 1: nineties something. I mean if then that's a guy they
Speaker 1: brought in on a thirty visit, so I mean, that's
Speaker 1: a guy obviously they like it's it's something I think
Speaker 1: they can wait. They need to try to address it
Speaker 1: by the end of Friday. But I just don't think
Speaker 1: it's true that they just have to have one on
Speaker 1: Thursday night. I'm with you on that, all right, tight end,
Speaker 1: which we got some news last Friday that they're one
Speaker 1: short at tight end, at least behind Jason Witton. James Hannah,
Speaker 1: placed on the reserve retired list, had some knee problems
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, missed all of that season,
Speaker 1: he's hanging it up. So how big of a need
Speaker 1: does it become? Was it already a need something you
Speaker 1: have to address at some point looking for a successor
Speaker 1: to Jason Witton down the line? I thought it was
Speaker 1: a need even before Hannah retired. He was on his
Speaker 1: last year. Swain's on his last year. Is Whitton on
Speaker 1: his last year? I don't know sure, but you feel
Speaker 1: good about Rico Gathers and Blake Jarwin. We don't know
Speaker 1: they like Blake. Yeah, that was one of the man
Speaker 1: because I start, I brought up the same question you
Speaker 1: did about what about a tight end? And the guy
Speaker 1: told him he don't sleep on Blake Jarwin. I mean,
Speaker 1: and again that's them, that's them. I mean, he's the
Speaker 1: one guy that they did not want to lose. You know,
Speaker 1: they really didn't have a roster spot for him, and
Speaker 1: they created one because they didn't want to lose him.
Speaker 1: So he Philly wanted him off there, off the practice squad.
Speaker 1: Right yeah, right, I'm just gonna I'm gonna throw a
Speaker 1: big whatever at this. No, I really am. If you
Speaker 1: want to draft the guy on Saturday because you need
Speaker 1: the depth, that's fine, or sign another priority free agent.
Speaker 1: Which is what Blake Jarwin was. Go for it. You're
Speaker 1: not interested in seeing round tight end? Hired of watching
Speaker 1: the promising tight ends wither away on the vine behind
Speaker 1: Jason Witten. And that's not a shot at Jason Witten.
Speaker 1: He he deserves, as far as I'm concerned, he deserves
Speaker 1: to play until he doesn't want to play anymore. But
Speaker 1: and but I'm just not going to worry about that
Speaker 1: position until he's not here, right, what's the point he
Speaker 1: doesn't come off the field, So no, he does. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he did play like ninety seven seven point
Speaker 1: three percent of the snaps. Whatever. No, I'm not spending
Speaker 1: a premium pick on that go away. You're saying, draft
Speaker 1: a guy when it's time. Yeah, when it's absolutely time. Yes,
Speaker 1: she's like I and Thomas from Indiana. Sure. Third round
Speaker 1: No too high, too high for a tight end or
Speaker 1: for that guy for a tight end period. I'm starting
Speaker 1: on Saturday. I'm starting on Saturday. I mean, and I
Speaker 1: don't nobody, y'all don't have to agree with me. That's
Speaker 1: guard round, Mickey, that's a round. Third round Yeah, yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: top one hundred picks are supposed to start. We say
Speaker 1: that all the time we say it. It's like one
Speaker 1: of my it's one of my core beliefs. In the draft,
Speaker 1: top one hundred picks should push to start, and that
Speaker 1: guy's not going to push to start. So no, all right,
Speaker 1: So are there there's no you guys don't think there's
Speaker 1: any tight end that's like this, like a real one,
Speaker 1: like a real one. Yeah, not just like a receiving
Speaker 1: Will Disley. Yeah, you could get him on Saturday, right,
Speaker 1: sure you all right? Then? Sure go for it. Well,
Speaker 1: Disley is a tight end from University of Washington. He
Speaker 1: was a converted defensive end. He's got a big, slow
Speaker 1: white guy who blocks. He does his job. No, I
Speaker 1: need somebody to get downfield. Okay, there's there's plenty of
Speaker 1: other guys you can, you can hit them, but I
Speaker 1: gotta go too high to get him. Well, if you
Speaker 1: want a legitimate one, if you want you don't want
Speaker 1: to cut I like how. I like how Ian Thomas
Speaker 1: has done a lot of different things at India and
Speaker 1: y Flex what they asked their tight ends to do.
Speaker 1: And this system is a lot, you know, and so
Speaker 1: he's got some experience that way. But it might be
Speaker 1: I'm with Dave, that's pretty early to draft it tight?
Speaker 1: Would you take a tight end to eighty one or
Speaker 1: a safety free safety free safety safety tight end? Ah? What? What?
Speaker 1: Who's starting at safety for this team right now? Because
Speaker 1: I sure as he'll know who's starting at tight end.
Speaker 1: Mickey's gonna trade his fifty to get one. That's fine.
Speaker 1: If you want to do that, that's fine, we can
Speaker 1: talk about that. But right now, and hey, I say that,
Speaker 1: I'm again I'm not taking outs at Xavier Woods and
Speaker 1: Cavon Frasier either. If they step up and prove that
Speaker 1: they're capable of doing the job in training camp, that's great.
Speaker 1: But uh, your two options at free safety on this
Speaker 1: team right now have four combined starts between them, and
Speaker 1: most of those were Xavier Woods in the slot. And
Speaker 1: how many how many snaps did his Xavier Woods play
Speaker 1: last year? Three hundred and something? I think fifty one? Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't a lot of that, I know, I understand. But
Speaker 1: they look at him as a guy that's going to
Speaker 1: at least compete for it. That's cool. He's not proven
Speaker 1: at all, Okay, and then Jason went pretty When Byron
Speaker 1: Jones fails at corner, he's gonna go back to free safety.
Speaker 1: Right there, Jesus. I mean, you know alone, what do
Speaker 1: you what do you think he's going to be a starter.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. When I wrote the story yesterday
Speaker 1: that they picked up his fifth year option, I called
Speaker 1: him a defensive back because I don't Yeah, he could
Speaker 1: go back to the savior. Who knows, you know. That's
Speaker 1: what's interesting he is he is? He a six million
Speaker 1: dollar non starter? That's whatever. No, No, I'm just asking.
Speaker 1: I really, I don't know, honestly. I mean, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give it. I'm gonna give him a shot because his
Speaker 1: size and his athleticism dictates that he could maybe be
Speaker 1: pretty good at it. And if you watch him play
Speaker 1: corner he did it on five days, notice, two thirds
Speaker 1: of the way through his rookie season. I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: that's two totally different things. No, I don't I feel
Speaker 1: bad for the cow many days. Notice that Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: ever or should be Owoozia, Jordan Lewis is in Denver, Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: and they lost forty two to seven. Yeah that day,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. So you gotta give him a shot.
Speaker 1: He's got a new position coach, so if if if
Speaker 1: he's a cornerback. Do you do you qualify it as
Speaker 1: he's the guy that goes in the slot or he's
Speaker 1: the guy that takes the tight end. Is that a cornerback?
Speaker 1: I think that he's starting See that's what That's what
Speaker 1: I'm question that I'm making this move. If I'm making
Speaker 1: this move, I was thinking as a starter. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I could, I know, but I can't. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, you know she say that if Cheeto's healthy,
Speaker 1: he starts to the left, he's gonna start it right,
Speaker 1: and you want to put him on the right side
Speaker 1: because they don't always attack. You're right, Corners can't always
Speaker 1: get attack. Ideally, my starting three would be Byron Cheeto
Speaker 1: with Jordan in the slot, assuming Byron's good enough to
Speaker 1: do the job, and if he's not, then you could
Speaker 1: put Jordan outside or Anthony Brown, which everyone's better, and
Speaker 1: then let Byron do his tight end thing. And no,
Speaker 1: that's you would prefer not to pay a guy six
Speaker 1: million dollars to do that job, but it is what
Speaker 1: it is, and you don't have to pay him six
Speaker 1: year six million until next year anyway. By the way,
Speaker 1: he's still only costing you one point. Yeah, whatever, is yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's we jumped like ten positions, but that's okay.
Speaker 1: I would much round just took care of two of them.
Speaker 1: We didn't much rather have a guy compete to start
Speaker 1: at safety than a guy who's gonna play three percent
Speaker 1: of the snaps behind Jay. You think he's oh okay,
Speaker 1: I see, no okay. I thought you're a saying Byron Jones.
Speaker 1: Tight end is a waste of a pick until proven otherwise.
Speaker 1: That's sorry. The only reason it was wasted before is
Speaker 1: Escobar wasn't what they thought, Martellis Bennett was a flake,
Speaker 1: and Fozzano was not the type of tight end they
Speaker 1: wanted in this offense. They drafted Fozzano for Parcel's offense
Speaker 1: to be this big, hulking, blocking tight end you can
Speaker 1: couldn't get down the field. You can throw whatever reason
Speaker 1: you want at me. All I know is that there's
Speaker 1: no reason to believe Jason Witten's going to play less
Speaker 1: than ninety five percent of snaps until he retires. I'm
Speaker 1: with you on that one. There is no evidence to
Speaker 1: the contrary whatsoever, So spare me the tight end in
Speaker 1: the first three rounds. That's fair, Dave. That's how I
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Speaker 1: left inside the SWBC Mortgage Studio preview in the Draft.
Speaker 1: Before we get back to that, you wanted to plug
Speaker 1: both of you guys. Have Binge watched All or Nothing? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. I was like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: NFL Amazon series? Really good stuff? Huh. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's fascinating, and I mean there's there's a million smart
Speaker 1: smart Alec jokes you could make about how obviously they
Speaker 1: didn't win at all, so it must be nothing or whatever,
Speaker 1: but it's I mean, if you love the NFL if
Speaker 1: you love the Cowboys, it's it's unprecedented access. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're not going to get better access and a better
Speaker 1: look at what an NFL team looks like. And Hard
Speaker 1: Knocks is cool, but the seasons different than Training Camp,
Speaker 1: so it's a little bit different. Look. You know, if
Speaker 1: you have Amazon Prime, you have access to it, or
Speaker 1: it's worth an Amazon Prime subscription, whatever you gotta do
Speaker 1: to take a look at it. It's pretty cool. Eight
Speaker 1: hours of very intense behind the scenes Cowboys programming. I
Speaker 1: think it's ten times better than Hard Knocks. But to
Speaker 1: have enough episodes in a mirror training camp with Hard Knocks,
Speaker 1: they had to invent stuff, right, They didn't have to
Speaker 1: invent anything here. Now, I could not have written a
Speaker 1: script for a soap opera for eight series to cover
Speaker 1: what was covered in this thing between Jerry, the Commissioner, Zeke, suspension,
Speaker 1: the National Anthem deal. It was one thing after another
Speaker 1: after another, and it was access that I would imagine
Speaker 1: when this coaching staff looks at it, they're going to
Speaker 1: cringe because they're stuff in there that I'm sure then
Speaker 1: they're not for it. It comes That's what makes this
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Speaker 1: Friday to the public. We got we got we got
Speaker 1: a free preview of it, so we got we got
Speaker 1: to check it out. And I think the biggest thing
Speaker 1: we talked about the office was fans are going to
Speaker 1: see a different side of Jason Garrett, the side that
Speaker 1: we've seen you a little bit, you know, but they
Speaker 1: don't see in press conference's sideline whatever, which and it's
Speaker 1: very interesting, I mean, and that's a talking point that
Speaker 1: goes around now because of that. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: here to tell you that Jason Garrett's a better coach
Speaker 1: because you see him use vulgarritys on this show. Like
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you got your own opinions about him,
Speaker 1: and that's fine. I think everybody's got an opinion about
Speaker 1: him at this point. I'm not saying it's got nothing
Speaker 1: to do with his coaching ability. It's just that we
Speaker 1: don't get to see this side of him. He's very
Speaker 1: determined to not show us that side of him. So
Speaker 1: it's just it's just interesting to see what the players see,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it'll dismiss the softy label. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would see some of this, and that's what the
Speaker 1: perception of him. Criticism has always been as its coaching
Speaker 1: is always too nice. He's you know, the perception he
Speaker 1: gives you in a ten fifteen minute press conference is
Speaker 1: not it. It's like behind the scenes. And they had
Speaker 1: cameras all over the place. By the way, Yeah all right,
Speaker 1: cool check it out Friday one one. So how are
Speaker 1: they gonna do it one episode at a time or
Speaker 1: you can watch them all just to just go watch
Speaker 1: it your own leisure. Yeah, like I did, staying up
Speaker 1: to one o'clock in the morning because they needed to
Speaker 1: watch the next episode. Did that was breaking bad, Mickey,
Speaker 1: don't worry about It's okay. Bryan's betting offseason, just hammering
Speaker 1: that one happens. Yeah, yeah, that's what we do. I
Speaker 1: went on the road like four in the morning. I'm
Speaker 1: watching every day. It was great, exhausting. It brings you
Speaker 1: along for the ride, you know, you get invested. I
Speaker 1: missed those times. Yeah, those were great. All right, let's
Speaker 1: wrap up our position by position breakdown and what the
Speaker 1: cowboy's gonna We're gonna have to haul ass left right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we took care of safety and corner. Let's let's do well.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's true. Yeah, oh, offensive line. Let's let's
Speaker 1: scroope all the offensive line together. Okay, tackle, guards, center?
Speaker 1: Where are they staying after signing a couple of veteran
Speaker 1: guys flemming In, Marcus Martin. It's the biggest unknown in
Speaker 1: this draft in my opinion, because we don't know for
Speaker 1: sure what they're gonna do with Lyle Collins. We've all
Speaker 1: got our opinions about it, right, But I think they
Speaker 1: want to move him. You think they want to move him.
Speaker 1: I hope that they don't want to move him. But really,
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody's really saying anything other than Lyle saying
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to move a chance. Asked today at
Speaker 1: one o'clock, here's the point. Good point. I'm with Brian
Speaker 1: because they still talk about best five. If you're talking
Speaker 1: best five, Lyle Collins is a starter and one of
Speaker 1: the guys they signed him started in the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: and he's primarily a tackle. But why why was it
Speaker 1: he starting before that? I don't care if yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't care that he started in the Super Bowl. He's
Speaker 1: got twenty career starts over seven years, which is like
Speaker 1: Lyle has almost that many in one I'm just saying
Speaker 1: I wouldn't dismiss the possibility just because Lyle has said
Speaker 1: I'm playing. I'm looking at playing tackle. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: focused on right now. I wouldn't dismiss him moving. All
Speaker 1: I know is Steven said I could see I could
Speaker 1: very easily see us picking an offensive lineman in the
Speaker 1: top four rounds, if not another in the later rounds.
Speaker 1: We don't need to have the debate about what they
Speaker 1: should do with Lyle. We've had it on other shows.
Speaker 1: We can have it all throughout the summer. The point is,
Speaker 1: if they want to move Lyle, then they need to
Speaker 1: draft a tackle. And if they don't want to move Lyle,
Speaker 1: then they need to draft a guard because if you
Speaker 1: move them and Cameron Fleming's playing right tackle, need to
Speaker 1: swimos your swing tackle exactly or drafting a flex dude,
Speaker 1: well play both. Find a guy that can challenge for
Speaker 1: the starting spot at guard. Last year proved that you
Speaker 1: need a quality third tackle because of Tyrant Smith and
Speaker 1: you also, I mean you need you need a good
Speaker 1: guard to finish out that line one or the other.
Speaker 1: So if you move Lyle, yeah, you need a guy
Speaker 1: that can either push Fleming or be a great swing
Speaker 1: tackle or you need a starting guard, And honestly, we
Speaker 1: can ask that question. I bet you they won't give
Speaker 1: us a good answer, and so you're just gonna go
Speaker 1: into the draft and say, Okay, whatever they do here
Speaker 1: is going to probably clinch at nineteen. Well, if they
Speaker 1: take mc clinchy at nineteen, if they Mike McGlinchey at nineteen,
Speaker 1: it's pretty good bet they're going to try to move lyle.
Speaker 1: And if they wait until the third round and draft
Speaker 1: your guy from Washington, stay Madison, maybe they don't want
Speaker 1: to move on. I'm like, really, I don't know that
Speaker 1: you're going to get a clearer answer than that. You're
Speaker 1: just gonna have to wait and see what they decided.
Speaker 1: And I get a tackle, they can play guard, That's
Speaker 1: what I said. Sure, maybe a flex dude, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: let him compete for the starting guard job. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: you did with Yas knew, you're gonna bring that. Brian
Speaker 1: likes this, mor did Adams. No. I'm just saying though,
Speaker 1: like he did with Larry Allen. Yeah, but I think
Speaker 1: it's a different page, should be different. I think it's
Speaker 1: a different era. Give them from you a guy who
Speaker 1: can do all right anyway, But it's that it's the
Speaker 1: biggest wildcard in this draft because they have needs on
Speaker 1: the offensive line. We don't know where. I'm curious why
Speaker 1: they brought in two tackles that people think are first
Speaker 1: round tackles. Yeah, I'm curious by that. Okay, I'm curious
Speaker 1: why they brought in McGlinchey. And there's I do not
Speaker 1: like Colton Millard at all. Then there's people that do,
Speaker 1: and they brought then they brought him in for a visit.
Speaker 1: And so to me and the guarding they brought in
Speaker 1: or day three type guy. Yeah, so to me, this
Speaker 1: is where we thought they did bring in James Daniels.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I keep cutting it. He's a center. He
Speaker 1: could play guard, right, Yeah, that's what we're dismissing Martin.
Speaker 1: He can't play guard. Brian likes him, right, I like Martin.
Speaker 1: I have no problem Marcus Martin. Marcus Martin, I have
Speaker 1: no problem with him. I have no problem with him
Speaker 1: playing it. He kind of he kind of reminded you
Speaker 1: of Leary watching a film. Yeah, when Larry, when he
Speaker 1: was first came here, he was like a big, boxy,
Speaker 1: square guy. This is with fat Leary, not slim Larry not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the slim Leary is like, yeah, he redid himself, but
Speaker 1: this guy's got some power to him. You'll find me
Speaker 1: a guard that can compete with him and then leave
Speaker 1: Leal there and Flumming is my swing backup because I
Speaker 1: guarantee you they only paid him what two point three
Speaker 1: million against the cap. And I'll guarantee you if you
Speaker 1: said last year I needed to spend two point three
Speaker 1: million on a swing tackle to save my season, they'd
Speaker 1: have done it. They would have done it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not often, but I agree with everything, Mick. I just
Speaker 1: don't know that that's what they're gonna do. All right, center, Look,
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick doesn't miss games. You got Joe Looney resigned
Speaker 1: to probably back up that position. Sure, all right, let's
Speaker 1: move to D line. Let's just lump edge rush or
Speaker 1: defensive tackle in together. How big of a need is
Speaker 1: it on this team? Kinda kind of got to scare
Speaker 1: about how big defensive tackle was yesterday? Huh, yeah, we
Speaker 1: can cover that real quick. Reports yesterday broke a bizarre story. Really,
Speaker 1: woman claiming to be David Irving's girlfriend apparently got a
Speaker 1: hold of his Twitter account. Those are the reports made
Speaker 1: accusations of domestic violence. Irving claimed he was hacked, denied
Speaker 1: those allegations, and then the woman came back on social
Speaker 1: media later in the day and retracted everything she said
Speaker 1: and said those were false allegations that she made and
Speaker 1: not the first time she's doing that, right, So that's
Speaker 1: where that stands right now. I think they needed a
Speaker 1: defensive tackle regardless, regardless us. Yeah, because if you look
Speaker 1: at his situation with the contract and then not that
Speaker 1: he's not that he's facing any potential disco. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that this uh, you know, he has resigned for
Speaker 1: one more year, so he's got I'm saying, you're that
Speaker 1: one year and then you're looking at you're looking too
Speaker 1: at MALIEK. Collins coming off a foot injury. You know
Speaker 1: who's behind him, Brian Price, Richard Ash let me continue,
Speaker 1: Daniel Ross, Lewis, Nils Neil. Yeah. So basically, you got
Speaker 1: Irving and you got MALIEK. Collins, and you got one
Speaker 1: of those guys doesn't beat out Tyrans Tyron Crawford for
Speaker 1: the starting right defensive end spot right so he could
Speaker 1: move inside. He's playing there, yea, and Price, Neil as
Speaker 1: Ross and Ash. Yeah, seriously. Yeah, that's great. This was
Speaker 1: to me. You know, we talk about linebacker. Look at
Speaker 1: the linebackers to the defense doesn't have the depth. It's
Speaker 1: like the why like the offense does. The defense is
Speaker 1: lacking defensive line hyman. As far as inside players, the linebackers.
Speaker 1: Look at that group. The first set of group is
Speaker 1: a is a good group behind that? No, which Lee
Speaker 1: Collins offseason surgery right foot, Yeah, foot surgery. Now he
Speaker 1: should be ready to go, sure, but it's something to
Speaker 1: keep an eye on. He dealt with it last year
Speaker 1: as well, so you think it's rookie year too when
Speaker 1: you're thinking about depth, something to think about. But he
Speaker 1: played through it, which you know and me personally. They
Speaker 1: brought him in on a visit too. But the guy
Speaker 1: that I think about the least among the names that
Speaker 1: we hear at nineteen is Vita Vea. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: think they'd take him if he was there. I going
Speaker 1: back to the tight end thing. I got to see
Speaker 1: it to believe it, and that's you know, it's not
Speaker 1: that I don't think he's a good player. It's not
Speaker 1: that I don't think he could help, but I just
Speaker 1: I don't believe that they would draft d tackle nineteen.
Speaker 1: But he's not. He's not your true run plugging nose though, right,
Speaker 1: he's got more y. Yeah, but they also they brought
Speaker 1: into Ron Payne from Alabama. If you watch him in
Speaker 1: the playoff game, in the championship game, you draft him instantly.
Speaker 1: Tevin Ryan is a guy Marion Ellie went down there
Speaker 1: and worked him out. So these three guys can play
Speaker 1: no both. Brian's yeah, pain could play both. Brian's a three,
Speaker 1: it's what he is, and they is a one with
Speaker 1: some three traits to it, right, which I think that
Speaker 1: makes a difference if you're talking about guys that can
Speaker 1: play a three. Then didn't pick in a one? Tick Well,
Speaker 1: Steven said it, and Steven set everybody off on a
Speaker 1: tizzy at the combine because he said, you know, they
Speaker 1: wouldn't draft a pure nose in the first round, but
Speaker 1: any d tackle that's getting drafted in the first round
Speaker 1: can probably do a little bit of both. So that's
Speaker 1: almost a non story. I think we agree they need one.
Speaker 1: They do, they absolutely do. I just I don't believe
Speaker 1: that they'll draft one in the first round. I go, okay,
Speaker 1: give me a second round guy, did you get painting
Speaker 1: the second round, so that I don't think you could
Speaker 1: get pain in the second round myself. That'sn't too much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what you're really hoping. That's where we've we've well,
Speaker 1: we've talked, well, pain could be. It possibly that that
Speaker 1: could be. But I think it's a little bit of
Speaker 1: stretch we talked about and not Yea from South Florida
Speaker 1: is a guy we like. Uh, Phillips from Stanford is
Speaker 1: a guy we've talked about. Shepherd from Fort Hayes State.
Speaker 1: Now there's a guy, but he I think he's more
Speaker 1: of a three, but he's kind of he's three hundred
Speaker 1: and fifteen pounds. I mean, if if it's not, I
Speaker 1: don't care what he plays. I just don't think Malak
Speaker 1: Collins can hold up at the nose. There's more, no,
Speaker 1: there's more nose in this draft than there are threes
Speaker 1: because mclee Collins is better at the three than he
Speaker 1: was at the nose. But then he did play through
Speaker 1: the foot injury. Irving played some three last year. Tyrone
Speaker 1: Crawford has played some three. But yeah, well he's also
Speaker 1: played in for you and played it pretty well. I
Speaker 1: think I think, I think, I think Irvings inside, Irvings inside.
Speaker 1: We gotta get We gotta get Joe Looney's little brother
Speaker 1: in here. That's what we gotta do. James Looney d
Speaker 1: tackle out of cow. Okay, let's make it happen my
Speaker 1: draft board. Yeah, it's it's it's a sneaky need. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't even feel comfortable commenting on David
Speaker 1: Irving story non story thing, but I mean it was
Speaker 1: something they were thinking about. But no, we had we
Speaker 1: had the impression before he was even offered as tender
Speaker 1: that he probably didn't have a super secure long term
Speaker 1: future here. You know. I mean he's on a one
Speaker 1: year deal. He's betting he's spent in those creeks. Second,
Speaker 1: I mean, those those kids don't move. It's a need.
Speaker 1: There's there's no way around it. It's a need. I
Speaker 1: just I gotta and I would I would be very
Speaker 1: happy with Vita Vea as the first round pick. I
Speaker 1: just gotta see it to believe it better. Inder is
Speaker 1: much better Evans or Vanders Evans. Here we go. My
Speaker 1: last spot we cut. We covered corner and safety, linebacker.
Speaker 1: A lot of us have mocked out at nineteen that
Speaker 1: when it comes, Yeah, when it comes to pure numbers
Speaker 1: on this roster right now, even though you signed Joe
Speaker 1: Thomas to be kind of a depth guy for you, linebacker,
Speaker 1: to me, to me, to me, from a number standpoint,
Speaker 1: that's a bigger need than wide receiver. There's six linebackers.
Speaker 1: How many of them do you trust to start for you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've got three guys that can start. Who's the third one,
Speaker 1: Thomas or Damian Damien? Yeah, I mean at strong side.
Speaker 1: How many times you play a strong side linebacker? Yeah? Exactly.
Speaker 1: But the key thing is now they think he's coming along.
Speaker 1: Everybody I've talked to, Jalen Smith is running well, he's
Speaker 1: cutting Sun, but I don't have anybody behind him. Yeah, nope. See,
Speaker 1: that's why I think they're interested in Vanderish and I
Speaker 1: don't have any behind anything behind Sean Leepeah. And that's
Speaker 1: why they're interested in in Evans because they think that
Speaker 1: Evans could be a Mike Will where vandersh can play
Speaker 1: all three. He could be Mike Feeling, Sam and Will.
Speaker 1: It's a bitter pill for a lot of Cowboys fans
Speaker 1: to swallow, But you're just drafting this guy as an
Speaker 1: insurance policy. If that's what you do. And I know,
Speaker 1: like that's not what you want for your first round pick,
Speaker 1: but we saw what happened to this defense when Sean
Speaker 1: Lee couldn't play and you don't have Anthony Hitchens there
Speaker 1: to be your security blanket. I hope to hell that
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith is the best linebacker in the league this year.
Speaker 1: Like I want the best for that guy, but you
Speaker 1: can't count on that. That's the wildcard. Where is he
Speaker 1: playing and how many snaps is he playing? Well, if
Speaker 1: you can't count on him being a one hundred percent
Speaker 1: snaps guy. So if vander esh is that versatile, I
Speaker 1: could see Jalen playing first second down and that guy's
Speaker 1: on the nickel with Shaun Lee and that's a pretty
Speaker 1: big role. No, no no, no, no, absolutely, I'm just they
Speaker 1: start him at sam and then when they go to nickel,
Speaker 1: they moved, they to them inside and they take and
Speaker 1: they put and they put Smith down rush. A linebacker
Speaker 1: you draft at nineteen would play thirty to sixty percent
Speaker 1: of the snaps ideally, which I think is good. But
Speaker 1: people want a one hundred percent guy. They want a
Speaker 1: guy who's gonna play. That's why people are saying, you know, well,
Speaker 1: draft a guard who's gonna be there every snap of
Speaker 1: the season instead. But I just think this team is
Speaker 1: a lot more screwed without a linebacker insurance policy than
Speaker 1: it is without it. They can't go to a game
Speaker 1: with the linebackers they currently behind them, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Basically four games last year Hitchins missed four or four
Speaker 1: came back for the Packer game, right, which oh yea right,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah, and they miss some time together. So yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could say you're drafting just insurance, but
Speaker 1: it's a high impact position. Guys get hurt at linebacker.
Speaker 1: It's an important if you want a position. They might
Speaker 1: double dip on linebacker. I think they should. They might
Speaker 1: take they got those two fourth round picks. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. They might take the first, the
Speaker 1: first pick at nineteen, and then one of those other picks.
Speaker 1: The you know, Hitchens wasn't a bad fourth round pick.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, Joe Thomas, Shaun Lee, Justin March, Lillard,
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith, Damien Wilson, tray Von Tyon Johnson. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: just I mean, hey, and we I think we've done
Speaker 1: as good a job as we could possibly hope too.
Speaker 1: Of listing out all the possibilities, they could go in
Speaker 1: a number of different directions. I definitely don't think anything's
Speaker 1: a lock. But if I had to put my money
Speaker 1: on what I think the first round pick will be, um,
Speaker 1: it's I've been saying linebacker for a month, to keep
Speaker 1: saying I don't disagree with him. And the two guys
Speaker 1: that you think will be there, Layton vander Esh and
Speaker 1: Rashaun Evans. They'll have to make a decision there, and
Speaker 1: again I think they'll make the decision because of vander Esh,
Speaker 1: because of the three spots. No chance of those other
Speaker 1: guys that are expected to go early falling. I mean anything.
Speaker 1: I mean Quan Smith and Edmunds people, there's a background.
Speaker 1: Anything's possible, I guess, but I wouldn't better. But they're
Speaker 1: in they're in that mix of the Nelson you know
Speaker 1: that every everybody who's a non quarterback that's a high
Speaker 1: position player, they're in that mix. That's what they're at,
Speaker 1: all right, All right, I think we're in agreement there.
Speaker 1: Linebacker probably the biggest need watch and it won't be
Speaker 1: a linebacker on Thursday. That's just how those things go.
Speaker 1: That's but It's okay, let's talk about it. Strange lady, right,
Speaker 1: Brian Strange label draft. We'll find out what happens Thursday night,
Speaker 1: Friday night, Saturday. Should be fun. Thanks for joining us.
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