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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is They called me Ben.

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Speaker 1: We're joined as always with our super producer Paul. Mission

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Speaker 1: controlled decands. Most importantly, you are you, You are here,

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Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: Today's episode is a weird one on many levels. First,

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Speaker 1: it's weird that we have not done a podcast on

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Speaker 1: this before. We've had a lot of people ask us

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Speaker 1: about it over the years. Uh. Secondly, it concerns something

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Speaker 1: that has always fascinated us, allegations of hidden technology. Gen

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Speaker 1: Now you know these stories or you know the rough tropes.

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Speaker 1: They come and go throughout the world of conspiratorial lore,

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Speaker 1: but they will never really go away, just because there

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Speaker 1: are way too many known proven cases of suppressed technology.

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Speaker 1: We've explored it on the show, and there's way too

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Speaker 1: much other weird, somewhat sinister, circumstantial, very true stuff floating around,

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Speaker 1: like the Inventions Secrecy Act of what was it ninety one?

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Speaker 1: That's a real thing. I've still boggled by that you

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Speaker 1: can invent something in the United States and do everything

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Speaker 1: right and the government can totally not just steal your

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Speaker 1: invention but also legally prevent you from ever talking about

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Speaker 1: it the rest. Imagine getting that visit or that call,

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Speaker 1: what that you're so stoked you've patented your first like

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Speaker 1: Gangbusters genius idea, and then you get a call from

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Speaker 1: the g man saying, sorry, but we're going to suppress

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Speaker 1: the hell out of this and you can never speak

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Speaker 1: of it again. You know, it's not the government's fault.

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Speaker 1: They were just there two decades before and already penned

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Speaker 1: it the thing, and just you know, they didn't have

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Speaker 1: to tell anybody. So it's parallel thinking with the government. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: I I spend a little too much time, I think,

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Speaker 1: whatever we get close to these topics, just imagining what

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Speaker 1: sort of stuff could have been pulled by the Invention

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Speaker 1: Secrecy Act. I hope it's not all weapons. I hope

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Speaker 1: it's some things that are like ridiculous, like a regenerative dentiferous,

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Speaker 1: a toothpaste you can use that actually removes cavities, and

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Speaker 1: someone was like, no, this the world's not ready. Lock

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Speaker 1: him just away away to advanced the day, you know,

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Speaker 1: like that, We just we can't have this. We cannot

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Speaker 1: let this fly now. Yeah, and actually everlasting gop stopper

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Speaker 1: Yes wallpaper where the Snowsbury's actually taste yes, yes. Or

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Speaker 1: a pill that means you will never have to sleep again.

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Speaker 1: That's my personal favorite. Anyway, this stuff happens all the time.

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Speaker 1: They have that's called there's a trailer dropping for a

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Speaker 1: show on the day we record this about a very

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Speaker 1: very pill. It's actually more of a mind app but nice.

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Speaker 1: Can you disclose more sure? It's called Tomorrow's Monsters. It's

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Speaker 1: brought to you by my the Flynn Picture Company and

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Speaker 1: Dan Bush and Psychopia Pictures and myself and my team.

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Speaker 1: Documentary is what you're saying. It's a documentary, very Matt Frederick. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's an exciting one, and we're not we're not blowing smoke.

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Speaker 1: Do check it out. I think we'll have the trailer

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Speaker 1: for that show uh in our own feed in a

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Speaker 1: little while, but stay tuned. So suppress technology. Let's start

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Speaker 1: today's story with a little bit of background on the U. S. Navy.

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Speaker 1: Here are the facts so we can start with the rumors.

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Speaker 1: I suppose we don't necessarily need to lead off with

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Speaker 1: saying the rumors are true. But there are rumors, tons

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Speaker 1: Navy has, of course done tons of secret experiments. It's

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and one of the first things we can

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Speaker 1: sea Shadow. Not to be confused with the CEA shanties

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So this, the Sea Shadow,

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Speaker 1: militaries will disclose to this kind of bleeding edge tech. First,

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Speaker 1: be you know, from another galaxy. Absolutely. Another reason that

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Speaker 1: But but what's interesting about this is although the sea

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Speaker 1: says he was on a nearby ship, the Freu A Seth,

425
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: and he was watching the Eldridge and he saw he

426
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 1: had learned through this experience and through his own later investigations,

427
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: that the ship didn't just disappear, didn't just become invisible

428
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: for a little bit, but it got teleported to New

429
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,479
Speaker 1: York in a way that was physically impossible given what

430
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: we understand about ship propulsion at the time. And then

431
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: it got teleported to another dimension wherein the crew encountered Sinchia,

432
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 1: non human life. Then it got teleported through time. This

433
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: is a dangerous journey and that's what led to the

434
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: deaths of several men. And Harlow Slash Carl is the

435
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: one who claimed, you know, and they saw the greenish cloe.

436
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: People refused to this ship. He also said he saw

437
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: a guy, a survivor of the Eldridge later in a bar,

438
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: and as he watched the man, the man vanished from

439
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: existence and really quickly. I'm certain that these accounts are

440
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: the inspiration for the sci fi film The Philadelphia Experiment Um,

441
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: where some sailors who were on board when this experiment

442
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: took place get teleported to the Nevada desert and then

443
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: things get weird. And Carl, Carl was it's important to say, Carl,

444
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: as we'll learn, was a guy who was a fan

445
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: of sending letters. But it meets sense for him to

446
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: reach out to this guy, Jessop, because Jessup had just

447
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: published a book called The Case for the UFO. It's

448
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a a primer and speculation examining

449
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: UFO phenomenon in general, and then speculating on things like

450
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: what their propulsion system could be, like, how could they

451
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: be so nimble? Physics? Right, yeah, just so uh. Eventually,

452
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: Karl would end up sending Jessip more than fifty letters

453
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: and Jessop at first, so here's the thing, you might think, Okay,

454
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: Jessip just automatically dismisses this guy out of hand because

455
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: he makes some crazy claims. He also, by the way,

456
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: I can't remember if we mentioned this. He also, by

457
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: the way, told Jessip in the course of these letters

458
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: that he had personally spent several weeks with Albert Einstein,

459
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: and Albert Einstein was explaining in person the truth about

460
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: the unified field and various other bleeding edge of physics

461
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: tennis subjects. That sucks, because how cool would that be.

462
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds amazing. But everyone out there listening,

463
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: you know, we've encountered stores like this before where you

464
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: have to be you have to like remain skeptical enough, right,

465
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: and we have to We're all doing that right now.

466
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean we completely disbelieve all all of us

467
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: at least, but it does mean that we're venturing into

468
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: some some choppy waters here right well said, yeah, jessup.

469
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: Jessip is taking the same tack. Initially, he says, Okay,

470
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to seriously investigate these these claims, these

471
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: ideas in good faith. But he becomes frustrated because this

472
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: Carl guy, this person he knows only through letters, seems

473
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: unable to or unwilling to produce physical evidence. Eventually, Jessup

474
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: dismisses all all all these missives as the work of

475
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: a crack pot or someone who has having some cognitive

476
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 1: stability issues. And he goes about his day that was

477
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: in what was that fifty six? He's fine, He's like, Okay,

478
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: well that was weird. Uh. But then but then nine

479
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: fifty seven he gets another weird piece of correspondence, not

480
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: from a UFO guy crackpot, like, from the Office of

481
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: Naval Research in Washington, d C. They reach out to

482
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: them and they're a little bit annoyed. They'd gotten a

483
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: package containing a paperback version of the case for the UFO.

484
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: It was in a Manila envelope marked Happy Easter. In

485
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: the book had been marked up extensively. Oh yes, it

486
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: reminds me of something, honestly, my grandfather would do. Uh.

487
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: There are three different shades of pink. There have been

488
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: just all written scribbled throughout there. And it appeared to

489
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: show correspondence between three individual people, one of whom is

490
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: named Jemmy. That's j E. M. I and the O

491
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: n R. Labeled the other two as simply Mr A

492
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: and Mr B. Gotta call him something, you know what

493
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: I mean. Let's not complicated. I'm sure they had a

494
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: whole list of names, and they're like Lancelot, Galahad, Mansa Musa,

495
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: and someone else said, okay, dude, calm down, We'll just

496
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: we'll start at A. So these notes are interesting. We

497
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: believe that one of the reasons uh, Carl Allen specifically

498
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: contacted Jessup originally was because in his book The Case

499
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: for the UFO, he mentions Einstein, and he mentioned Unified

500
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: Field and Carl Allen had either spent a lot of

501
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: time on the inside or had thought about them pretty frequently.

502
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: So in these notes, and these are heavy notes, by

503
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: the way, in these notes there are oblique references to

504
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia experiment, and there are also like, if you

505
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: look at it the way they're written, Uh, it's almost

506
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: if there is a chat for him. It looks almost

507
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: as if these people were passing this book back and

508
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: forth to one another and reacting to the things the

509
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: other people said. And then then we get like almost

510
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:16,239
Speaker 1: like a hitchcocky and twist where Jessup notices something and

511
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: like I can picture the editing cross, you know, like

512
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: doing a voiceover from the past or like a flashback

513
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: to when he first noticed this, he recognizes the handwriting

514
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: of all three people because it's one person. It's that

515
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: guy who sent him all those letters. And now now

516
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: he's got jammed up by the Navy. This is not

517
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: this is not what you imagine happening when you want

518
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: to write a cool UFO book. Uh so, well, well

519
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: this guy jammed himself up by sending it over to

520
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: the navy. But it is now jamming up Jessip, Jessup

521
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: Jessop is unfairly jammed here. So he he reckoned, Like

522
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: Nils says, he recognizes this handwriting, and he recognizes the

523
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: subject matter or the style of writing. Uh. He says, Look,

524
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: this is all that same guy who's been sending me

525
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: stuff and uh, naval authorities. I assure you, I think

526
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: he's kind of off. He says, has some interesting things

527
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: to say. Oh, by the way, he's also a close

528
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: friend of Albert Einstein. Uh, you know, why are you talking?

529
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: Just died like yeah, just about two years ago. Einstein

530
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: died in fifty five and this fifty seven. So that's

531
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: what he says. He's like, Look, I don't know, I'm

532
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: just trying to make a living as a writer. It's

533
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: it's tough all around, but I have nothing to do

534
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: with this. He probably also went on to say, like,

535
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: I'm also not a communist in case that comes up. Uh.

536
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: And then he goes off. Uh And he's still now

537
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: he's like Now, if you think about it from Jessup's perspective,

538
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: the Navy calling you up about this story that you

539
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: originally might not have believed. That becomes a huge piece

540
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: of credibility, does it not. Especially there's another twist here.

541
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: This is a twist I think will be a big one. Uh.

542
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: The Office of Naval Research itself later funded a very

543
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: small republication of Jessup's book through a military contractor called Vera.

544
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: Why they I don't know, man, because they when they

545
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 1: published it, when they republished it, it wasn't just Jessup's work.

546
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: They published it with all of those annotations by those

547
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 1: three fake people. Double y right, utopia? Anyone still sorry?

548
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Oh and thanks to

549
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: everybody wrote wrote in and alerted us to the British

550
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: version being up there being both seasons already. Yes, that's

551
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: all that's all it is. Yes, do you prefer it

552
00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: to the US version? In many ways? In in other ways. No,

553
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to elaborate, so don't take our

554
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: word for it. If you want to check out Utopia,

555
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: now is the perfect time to do it. We're gonna

556
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: pause for a word from our sponsors. Uh, and we're

557
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: going to watch the rest of the seasons. Then we'll

558
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: be back and we'll do this. We'll do the show

559
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 1: and we're back. This is one heck of its tail

560
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: so far. This is I mean, step will step to

561
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: the left, ryme of the ancient mariner. We have a

562
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: new legend of the sea. Uh. So let's dive further

563
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: into these claims. The numerous authors writing about this in

564
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: later years link the experiment to other pre existing conspiracy

565
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 1: theories regarding particularly Allied and Axis experimentation on the bleeding

566
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: edges of known science during World War Two. And the

567
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: thing about that stuff is as crazy as it sounds. Uh.

568
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: There is a little bit of sand to some of

569
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: those World War two conspiracy theories. Shout out to the

570
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: Horton h O right, that that might have changed the war,

571
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: and we really lucked out. Uh. This also became the

572
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Experiment. Writers also connected it to later conspiracies such

573
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: as things like the mont Talk Project, which we still

574
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: we haven't done an episode on that, I think, but

575
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: if we do, it's it's going to be kind of

576
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: the part two of the Philadelphia Experiment. And we see

577
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: something happening here with the story of the Philadelphia Experiment

578
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: that we're seeing a lot more of in modern times,

579
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: actually extremely recent times, where some of the authors who

580
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: were writing about it are willing to make leaps in

581
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,479
Speaker 1: logic and almost just assume that certain stories are real

582
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: and then find connective tissue between those two stories in

583
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: some you know, small way, as Ben was saying, like

584
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: to the Montalk Project, but uh, it seems as though

585
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: a lot of the authors right about it, we're just

586
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: willing to do that. And then there it becomes a

587
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: thing where the lore builds up over time where more

588
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: and more people are stating kind of the same thing

589
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: that hasn't been proven, but enough people are saying it

590
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: that it feels true. There's a social aspect to it,

591
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: a social engineering aspect. And there there were these common

592
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: story elements, the ones we outlined in our exploration of

593
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: the legend. There were plenty of contradictory claims as people

594
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 1: got their favorite you know, pet theory corners stoked. And

595
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: one thing. One thing you'll notice is that the authors

596
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: often paint Carlos end or Carl Allen as this very mysterious,

597
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: enigmatic figure, a drifter on the fringes of the mainstream,

598
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: a man nearly impossible to contact. This turned out to

599
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 1: be very much not true. Interesting. I mean, that's certainly

600
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: the way it seems to come off in terms of

601
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: the the mold lore around the story, right. Yeah, picture

602
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: him like he's like the The popular mythic image of

603
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: this guy would be a lot like the father in

604
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: fire Starter, you know, on the run from the government's

605
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: mysterious men in black, chasing you for your rare and

606
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: dangerous knowledge and or abilities. Um So, this drew the

607
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: attention of a paranormal researcher named Robert Gorman. Around seventy

608
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: nine or so. Gorman was looking back through this stuff

609
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: and he noticed something weird. The original return address on

610
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: that Easter package that was sent to the Office of

611
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: Naval Research was from New Kensington, Pennsylvania. Holy smokes, says

612
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: Rob that's my hometown. I live here. I can find

613
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: this address. And the coincidences got even stranger. This guy,

614
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: Carlos Allende His real name was Carl Allen. He lived

615
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: in town. He was the son of a close family

616
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: friend of the Gorman's, So Gordman was able to reach

617
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: Carl Allen with relatively little difficulty. That means something profoundly

618
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: change over the course of all those other um writer's experience,

619
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 1: or that means that maybe they weren't trying as hard

620
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: to contact him as they lead their readers to believe.

621
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: But he was known around town. He had a reputation

622
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: for being a bit of a loner with sort of

623
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: a wild imagination. Correct, yes, that is correct. Uh. He

624
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: was an eccentric. He was infamous for writing on anything

625
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: and everything around the family house, and as Skeptoid puts it,

626
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: he was also known to send bizarre writing and claims

627
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: to everyone in his family or in his circle for

628
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: any occasion. And there's there's a word for this. It's

629
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 1: called hypergraphia, behavioral condition character eyes by the intense desire

630
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: to write or draw. Ben This instantly makes me think

631
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: of love crafty and stuff where someone who has lost

632
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: their mind hold up in some sort of ramshackled abandoned

633
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: mansion scrawls. Weird. Cathulu asked cryptograms all over the wall,

634
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: does it not. That's a good point. I didn't think

635
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, yeah, I think we I think we're

636
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: well on the way to making our own version of

637
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Experiment as a feature film, maybe serious of

638
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: YouTube videos. All right, welcome it, we'll work shopping. So look, Gorman,

639
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: he's tracking Carl down, but at the same time he's

640
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: looking into the facts surrounding the USS Eldridge, and really

641
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: what he was finding appeared to illustrate a very different

642
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 1: picture than what he was being given by old Carl. Um.

643
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: He found a lot of this stuff fully disproved the

644
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: statements that Carl was making. And perhaps in another way,

645
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: if you listening are fully convinced that this was a

646
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: true story, that Carl knew the truth and everyone else

647
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: was keeping it quiet, it kind of it might lead

648
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: you down the road of oh, this is a full

649
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: cover up and it was effective. It worked, and the

650
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: lone person that knew the truth was seen as a crackpot.

651
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: Typical for these sorts of tales, right, yeah, yeah, the

652
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: absence of evidence can be treated as evidence, you know,

653
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: which is which is tough tough to get around. Uh.

654
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: Gorman found the following based on US Naval records, the

655
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: ship the Eldridge was nowhere near Philadelphia at the time

656
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: this experiment was said to have occurred. Not only were

657
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: they not there, but they had evidence, corroborated evidence of

658
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 1: the routine stuff they were doing and where they were

659
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: at the time. They could fake all that if they

660
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: wanted to just say, yes, yeah, that's true, that's true.

661
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: We have to pursue both lines of lot here. It

662
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: could be faked. Right, You can change history. It's just

663
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: a matter of changing records and eliminating witnesses. Um so,

664
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: so he reaches out to people who would have been

665
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: firsthand witnesses. Who was a crew member on the Eldridge

666
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: and forty three? He thinks who was on board afterwards

667
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: or even before, if I could find someone still alive,

668
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: every every single person crew member that he spoke to

669
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: and was on board the ship, there none recalled anything

670
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: about any such experiment. And Matt, this is where we

671
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 1: have to say. They could have been intimidated, And that's

672
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: exactly They could have been intimidated, or maybe they lost consciousness.

673
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: They don't actually remember it. And the horror stories are

674
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: you know of people who didn't make it anyway, And

675
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: we have to say that, we have to say it.

676
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: We have to say it. It's it's the fair thing

677
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: to acknowledge. And so, long story short, every claim that

678
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: Gorman looked into, it appeared that the vast majority of

679
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: them came from one source, Carl Allen, and the rest

680
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: of it was rephrased or embellished afterwards. And additionally, all

681
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: of these claims that he looked into seemed to be

682
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: easily disproven by multiple other sources, which again would have

683
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: to be compromised or fate for this to be real

684
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,959
Speaker 1: at this point. But there are other troubling facts. Let's

685
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: go back to the bar Carl Allen. Remember he says

686
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: I saw this guy, a survivor of those tragic events

687
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: from forty three. He was in a bar with me,

688
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: and then poof, he just Kaiser associate um or or

689
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: nightcrawler bafed teleported something. Uh, there's more news on that though. Yeah,

690
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: there were quite a few people that came forward claiming

691
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: to be this person, and not just regular people, veterans

692
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: of the Eldredge and the U. S. S Angstrom which

693
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: was moored alongside the Eldridge in We have to know

694
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: that these kinds of claims were made well after the

695
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: Piladelphia experiment became the pop culture phenomenon that it is today,

696
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: and in more than one case it actually turned out

697
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: that these guys were not really veterans at all. So

698
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: it really kind of throws a wrench into the works

699
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: here and doesn't necessarily fully debunk Carl Allen's initial story

700
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: because it seems like the people that are coming forward

701
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: making these claims are also being a little dishonest themselves, right, Yeah,

702
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: And it's it's a it's a phenomenon that you see

703
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: whenever a story takes, it takes gets a grip on

704
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: the national consciousness. Like whenever there is um a suspected

705
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: or acknowledged serial killer in operating in a city, often

706
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: law enforcement gets inundated with calls from people who are,

707
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: for one reason or another, either falsely claiming to be

708
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: the killer, falsely claiming to know who it is, etcetera, etcetera.

709
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: And some of these folks are pranksters. Some of these

710
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: folks are maybe a little more detached from reality. But

711
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: there's another huge badger in the bag here. It's the

712
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: one we have to keep going back to. It's the

713
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: missing piece of the puzzle. Why on Earth did the

714
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: Office of Naval Research called JESSIP in the first place.

715
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: Why did they Why did they go to him and

716
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: not just toss this in the rubbish bin. There are

717
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: a couple of possibilities, too, I would say, are pretty mundane,

718
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: and one I would say is that's what I say.

719
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: It's OK, I'll go with you down this this route.

720
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: So I would say the first one is that whatever

721
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: individuals from that office that ended up making it to

722
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: see jessep, we're just doing it because they wanted to

723
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: do it. They were interested. They got this weird correspondence,

724
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: and they're like, I kind of want to know more.

725
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I wonder if this guy's like annotating his

726
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: own book and sending it to us. Let's let's go

727
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:56,959
Speaker 1: talk to him. This will be this will be fun.

728
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: Come on, come on, Bill, let's go. That's a really

729
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: good point, because, like the fact that it's a government agency,

730
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: your mind immediately goes towards this as some sort of

731
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: giant initiative. But these people have pretty unilateral abilities to

732
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: pursue their own stuff, right. I mean, that's that's a

733
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: really good point. I love the idea for this one.

734
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: I love the idea of uh of Jessup going to

735
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: meet them and they're like, actually, we're not meeting in

736
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: the office, where you just come meet me at this

737
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: coffee shop. But we're really just fans. We're really just

738
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: needally just just want to ask if you would sign this. Uh,

739
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: if we're thinking about doing a small run, would you

740
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,959
Speaker 1: be been optioning this because we're actually deciding we're gonna

741
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: pivot careers. We're gonna be like producers. Now. A lot

742
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: of people, you know, have this stereotype of us as

743
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: these uptight guys, but we're just we you know, we

744
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: like to kick back, fire a few rail guns, work

745
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: on some alien tech and um and pursue pictures. This

746
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: is gonna be big for us, Jessip or should I

747
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: say Jemmy, And then I don't know what you're talking

748
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: about doing cocaine. I'm sorry, rail guy. Oh boy, that's

749
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: another hidden history. Uh So that's the first possibility, and

750
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: it may be mundane, but it is totally possible. Uh.

751
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: The second is that it could have literally just been

752
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: these guys job. It was a small I think it

753
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 1: was a couple of people. There's a couple officials, so

754
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 1: maybe there maybe Their remit was to follow up on

755
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: any and all correspondence, no matter how weird it was,

756
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: no matter how innocuous, no matter how unimportant it might

757
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: seem like. Maybe they were treating this with the same

758
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 1: kind of due diligence they would treat um a letter

759
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: from a six year old about Santa Claus. Maybe they

760
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: just had to reply to everything and investigate it if

761
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: it merited for further investigation. So they may not have

762
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: had any personal interest, I can see that, or or

763
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: what else? Oh gosh, okay, so what if? Okay, what

764
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: if they had to read this, They had to read

765
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: the whole book, and there was something in those notes.

766
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: There was something in those notes that was somehow similar

767
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: to actual classified research Uncle Sam was conducting. Think about that.

768
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: That's not as impossible as it sounds, because there are

769
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: a ton of notes there, and depending on what they're

770
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: talking about, if there's even one note that seems like

771
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: a legit hint that someone outside of the company knows

772
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: what the Navy is up to. Yeah, and we have

773
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: to be real about this. Even if let's say Carly

774
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 1: and his writing, his notes, his theories, all that stuff

775
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: was complete bunk. But in that writing he he like

776
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: hit upon as Ben is saying something that's close enough

777
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: to what was occurring somewhere maybe if it wasn't even there,

778
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: but just through through a conceptualized science fiction story, he

779
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: got close enough they would I can imagine that being

780
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: dangerous and them having to go, like you said and

781
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: follow up. I mean, look at how much science fiction

782
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: is so prescient of like future technology, you know. I

783
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: mean that's where a lot of like the idea of

784
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: futurism comes from, is like thought experiments that ultimately become possible.

785
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: And and then this is the part. I'm sorry, there's

786
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: so many beats in this story that are just so

787
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 1: love crafty. And I know you primed the pump bend.

788
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: But on April Jessup took his own life, presumably after

789
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: succumbing to Eldritch madness or potentially considering himself a failure

790
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: as a writer. Yeah, this story haunted him, and he

791
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,280
Speaker 1: did die by his own hand, just two years after

792
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: that initial contact with the Navy. Much I have to

793
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: say it, he died two years after this. In this

794
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: interaction with the O n R. There's potential for something

795
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 1: to feel fishy there it is, but it definitely feels weird. Yeah,

796
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: we have to put it in much much later. The

797
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: story continues. The film The Philadelphia Experiment is released a

798
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: and in n a man named al Bilick Bili sees

799
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: the film and it shakes some things loose in his head.

800
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: He goes public and says, I was there, I was

801
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: on the Aldrich, I was part of that experiment. I

802
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: had been brainwashed to forget it, and seeing this film

803
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: jogged those memories loose. Interesting not not the same thing

804
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: as proof interesting. Carlos Allende Carl Allen lived until nineteen

805
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: He would send letters to any number of people every

806
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: so often about the Philadelphia Experiment, further exploring the story

807
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: and the legend. In the same year that Carl passes away,

808
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: a French writer named Jacques F. Valley V. A. L. L. E.

809
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: Publishes this article in the Journal of Scientific Exploration called

810
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: Anatomy of a Hoax the Philadelphia Experiment. Fifty years later

811
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: and he receives this letter from a guy named Edward Dudgeon.

812
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: Edward Dudgeon, U. S. Navy VET. He has a story

813
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: that relates to the Eldridge kind of similarly to one

814
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: of the other stories we heard earlier. As someone being

815
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: on board a near ship. That's the one that Carlos

816
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,959
Speaker 1: Allende and initially put forward he was on this other ship.

817
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: He observed some of this and then went down the

818
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: rabbit hole. Well, this person, Edward Usion, says that he

819
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: served aboard the Angstrom, the U. S. S Angstrom. It

820
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: was dry docked in Philadelphia Naval Yard. If the Philadelphia

821
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: experiments to be true, that's also where the Eldritch was,

822
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: and that he is saying that both ships, while they

823
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: were there and docked and preparing to operate, had some

824
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: kind of classified tech on board. But according to a story,

825
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: he wasn't saying that this was some kind of invisibility

826
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,479
Speaker 1: experiment like some kind of cloaking device, nor some kind

827
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: of teleportation device or something designed by extra terrestrials. Yeah, exactly. Instead,

828
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: he said they were attempting to scramble magnetic signatures of

829
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: ships using something called degaussing de gassing. Uh. This is uh,

830
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: this is a way of counteracting a ship's magnetic field

831
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: to establish a condition making the uh, this ship seem

832
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: invisible to certain devices straightar and and things like that,

833
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: not to the eye right right right, to protect it

834
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: from magnetic torpedoes, for instance. But God, you'll still see

835
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: the ship if you're in line of sight. Uh. So

836
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: what he says is they wrapped the ship with large

837
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: cables and zapped it with high voltage charges. So the

838
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: ship again, Uh, it wouldn't be invisible to quick clarification,

839
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: would not be invisible to line of sight witnesses. Uh,

840
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be invisible to radar, but it would appear

841
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 1: to be invisible to magnetic torpedoes the cons that were

842
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: used by U boats. Interesting, So what about the green

843
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: glow that was such an interesting feature of the earlier

844
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: reports of this experiment. So Dudgeon says, it's either st

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Speaker 1: Elmo's fire or an electric storm. But st Elmo's fire

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Speaker 1: is kind of weird. It's it's a glow that occasionally

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Speaker 1: appears around pointy objects during storms. But I but from

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Speaker 1: what I understand, uh, that glow is supposed to be

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Speaker 1: blue in color, not green. Yeah. Again, if the original

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Speaker 1: account is true, whatsos right? Because because the green glow

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Speaker 1: is just a part of the story, the lower there

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Speaker 1: and then you know, this person is coming forward saying

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Speaker 1: well I was actually there, and yeah, there was tech

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Speaker 1: and it was for this Um, so that's really always confirming. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He has a good, an interesting explanation about that apparently

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Speaker 1: impossible time that the Eldridge allegedly took to go to

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Speaker 1: Norfolk and then return to Philadelphia. He says the Navy

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Speaker 1: was using inland canals that are off limits to civilian

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Speaker 1: vessels and that allowed them to make the trip in

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Speaker 1: six hours instead of two days. But anyway, what we're

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Speaker 1: saying is there are other people who are proposing uh

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Speaker 1: more grounded explanations toward to these alleged events what happened

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Speaker 1: to the ship? Though we've we've been pretty clear the

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Speaker 1: ship is real. The ship did exist, uh and people

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Speaker 1: were crude on it. It was commissioned, was an active

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Speaker 1: vessel in the Navy until eventually it was sold for scrap,

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Speaker 1: just like the Sea Shadow in the nineteen nineties. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: that seem weird? Though? I get up? What am I

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Speaker 1: being too sentimental? You guys? I would feel like, maybe

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Speaker 1: it's the improv mentality coming out, But like if we

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Speaker 1: built some awesome, super secret technology, even if it was outdated,

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Speaker 1: I would be like, come on, guys, this is more

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Speaker 1: than a war machine. Now. It's like it's it's like

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Speaker 1: a testament to our friendship and all the cool work

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Speaker 1: we did traveling dimensions and making us and there's no

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Speaker 1: reason we should destroy this. Yes, and what let's put

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Speaker 1: it on display? Right? I do have to point out

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Speaker 1: really quickly, Uh, my dear friend, who I believe both

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Speaker 1: of you have, Peyton Fisher of Brooklyn, New York. UM.

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Speaker 1: He pointed out that the Wikipedia intro for the Philadelphia experiment,

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Speaker 1: he describes it as stinging. He says, I love the

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Speaker 1: stinging Wikipedia intro quote. The alleged claims do not conform

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Speaker 1: to known physical laws. Yeah, it's true. It's true. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna say sometimes they don't. Guys. That's that's when that's

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Speaker 1: when it gets excited. Greed. Well, I think there's also

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Speaker 1: a there's a real cool thing you can do on Wikipedia,

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Speaker 1: especially if you're looking at the subject you feel as controversial.

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Speaker 1: Hop on over to the talk tab. Right. Every article

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Speaker 1: starts with one tab that just as article. But to

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Speaker 1: the direct right of that you'll see the tab that

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Speaker 1: says talk And if you get into the right thing,

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Speaker 1: you will find these amazing arguments by very dedicated people. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Oddly enough, you would think the geopolitical stuff would have

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Speaker 1: more involved acrimonious kind of exchanges. Uh, but the fan

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Speaker 1: fiction things are where you see people packing a lot

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Speaker 1: of a lot of rhetorical heat. But yeah, you're right,

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Speaker 1: stinging accusation and the ship is gone. It was scrapped

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Speaker 1: in as of this recording. If you check with the

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Speaker 1: Office of Naval Research today, they will tell you they

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Speaker 1: have never conducted experiments on invisibility and that this sort

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Speaker 1: of technology remains squarely in the realm of science fiction. However,

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Speaker 1: this is not entirely true. Something like invisibility tech is

903
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Speaker 1: currently being researched by various outfits around the planet. We

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Speaker 1: just don't know of anything good enough to do what

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Speaker 1: Carl Allen claimed Uncle Sam did back in the forties.

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Speaker 1: But but google quantum stealth invisibility. It's it's a cool read.

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Speaker 1: Or the kind of weird like functional painting version of

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Speaker 1: invisible ability called dazzle camouflage, where ships were painted with

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Speaker 1: these like weird angular stripes that supposedly made them harder

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Speaker 1: to see on the horizon line. Yeah, that was cool

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Speaker 1: to do. Check that out. And as we get to

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Speaker 1: the end of the show, we know there is one

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Speaker 1: huge piece of the puzzle it's a piece you cannot ignore.

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Speaker 1: It's one that's definitely, doubtlessly been on all of our

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Speaker 1: minds for most of this episode. It's the real question,

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Speaker 1: where the hell does Philadelphia cream cheese actually come from?

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Speaker 1: It is not Philadelphia? What it's not Philadelphia? We don't know.

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Speaker 1: There may be consequences, uh for us disclosing this on air.

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Speaker 1: But cream cheese was invented in the eighteen seventies by

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Speaker 1: a guy in Chester, New York or he's the first

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Speaker 1: mass producer, at least his name is William Lawrence. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but Philadelphia they're the ones that got really good at it,

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Speaker 1: and you know, figured out how to make it taste

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Speaker 1: like strawberries. Right. Uh, you know, I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: take that one from you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: let you have to. Like the funny thing is just

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Speaker 1: so unrelated to anything. Uh. He called it Philadelphia cream

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Speaker 1: cheese because he thought it sounded classier and fancier because

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Speaker 1: at the time Philadelphia was well known for the quality

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Speaker 1: of its dairy in district. Sure, but but but it's

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Speaker 1: still something that Philly residents sort of hold onto as

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Speaker 1: like a point of pride. Yeah, I think it only

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Speaker 1: really checks out if he had a Southern accent, because

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Speaker 1: Philip Delphia, it really is lovely. So that's that's our show. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: at this point, it does appear that the majority of

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Speaker 1: the really out their claims linked to the Philadelphia experiment

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Speaker 1: can be traced to a single man, Carl Allen. Additionally,

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Speaker 1: the majority of his claims do not seem to hold

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Speaker 1: up to scrutiny, and they can either be disproven or

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Speaker 1: they just can't be corroborated. Yeah, and as we record today,

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Speaker 1: multiple government agencies do continue classified research across a wide

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Speaker 1: wide range of disciplines. Um just last week it was

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Speaker 1: these classified patents. Yeah, it's true, and you can read

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Speaker 1: about this right now. A great resource we found was

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Speaker 1: on the drive. They've got a I guess it's kind

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Speaker 1: called the war Zone, And there's just some great articles

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Speaker 1: coming out of their brett Tingly or tinge Ley and

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Speaker 1: reading a ton off of that website lately, and you

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Speaker 1: can even find like there are great helpful things here

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Speaker 1: in these articles like a Google patent search with specifically

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Speaker 1: the Salvator pace guy on here. It's a key key

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Speaker 1: name that you can look up as you're doing your

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Speaker 1: own research. You can see all of the actual patents

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Speaker 1: for crazy stuff. I still want to see the patent

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Speaker 1: for the E meter that Mike Render told us about. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there's there's something very interesting foot here with these patents.

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Speaker 1: That's why we shout out the Inventions Secrecy Act of

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Speaker 1: zone have confirmed that the US government spent more than

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Speaker 1: a half million dollars over three years two specifically to

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Speaker 1: test some theories that every other physicist says our pseudoscience.

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Speaker 1: So what is the truth here? And and when do

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Speaker 1: we find out? Ah? And still, why was the O

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Speaker 1: other thing here. We don't have much, if any Wikipedia

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Speaker 1: presence as a show. Yeah, what's that about? Well? I

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Speaker 1: think we have one mention on an old House Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works entry on the House Stuff Works podcast. I'm just

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Speaker 1: putting this out there. Hey, are you listening to this?

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Speaker 1: And a wiki editor? Uh? I don't know, put something

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Speaker 1: a silly entry. Uh. I don't am I incorrect to

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Speaker 1: assume that a lot of Wikipedia entries are done by

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Speaker 1: the parties involved themselves. I think that's true, or maybe

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Speaker 1: a pr agency some people higher, But I don't. I

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Speaker 1: don't feel like it's ethical. We don't play that way,

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Speaker 1: do we know? And I'm surprised, Matt. I'm surprised if

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Speaker 1: you bring this up because some doors don't close. So

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Speaker 1: closed forever on the wiki. But please no stinging opening lines,

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Speaker 1: if you would, if if none of that white uh

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